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Hi all,

 

According to preliminary agenda= for 94th IETF meeting, there is no schedule for PPSP WG meeting= .

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/ag= enda.html

 

No plan for WG meeting?

 

Regards,..

W.Hyun

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X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:26:47 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6.2 - can you explain to me how the overall protection against pollution works? I'm not quite following it and am concerned that it may be lacking. But that may just be me forgetting how this ties together with rfc7574. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - I-D nits notes a bunch of missing reference entries, e.g. for RFC6972 as well as 6 others. Probably some xml2rfc issue. - intro: last para (just before 1.1) puzzles me. Not sure why it''s there. - intro: why is there no mention of Bit Torrent? This seems to be the same design for the same purpose, and BT is in widespread use so not explaining the relationship seems a bit odd. 5.1.2 seems to be plain silly in that light, while BT is not a "standard" that is irrelevant - it has been widely deploy and migration from BT to this, or co-existence, would seem critical to the success of this effort. - RFC2616 is obsoleted. - 6.1: I agree with Katheen's discuss, a MUST use TLS is needed here really and just reflects reality and is not an additioanl consideration. It is needed for clarity though. - 6.2: Given the history of spoofing in BT I wondered why there is no object level origin auth defined here. - I also agree with Ben's discuss. From nobody Wed Oct 14 21:31:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D691B302E; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:31:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5vmWyrCZ-4m; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF461B2AEE; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:31:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Barry Leiba" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.6.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151015043105.10919.514.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:31:05 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org, ppsp@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 04:31:07 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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What are you trying to say? -- Subsections of 3.2 -- Where are the semantics of the string values, such as "HIGH", "NORMAL", and "LOW", defined? -- Section 4 -- For deployment scenarios where Peer (Client) authentication is desired at the Tracker, HTTP Digest Authentication MUST be supported, with TLS Client Authentication as the preferred mechanism, if available. You need a normative reference to RFC 7616 for HTTP Digest Authentication, and a citation here. -- Section 4.1.1.1 -- Please re-check your examples carefully, and pass them through a JSON validator. In the first example, for instance, the Content-Length value is wrong and the "transaction_id" member is missing its ":". The third example uses "TransactionID" instead of "transaction_id" for the member name. Be careful during AUTH48 that you re-check this, including making sure that any Content-Length values are still correct after all the editing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the definition give for "LEECH" sufficient?: LEECH: A Peer that has not yet completed the transfer of all Chunks of the media content. I don't think "completed the transfer" is clear enough, and "transfer" can be outbound or inbound. Would something like "A Peer that has not yet received all chunks of the media content, and therefore can't be used to share the content," be better? And isn't it possible for a peer to share the chunks that it has, even if it doesn't have all of the chunks? You do seem inconsistent with capitalization of terms ("SEEDER" and "Seeder", "LEECH" and "Leech", "SWARM and "Swarm" and "swarm"). You should fix that -- readers often find it confusing, and the RFC Editor will ask you about it during AUTH48. -- Section 1.2.1 -- I don't understand the meaning of "[Peer Protocol]" in front of list items 3, 4, and 5. Why's it there? And if you're going to leave it there, I think you might do better to find notation that doesn't look like how we write reference citations. -- Section 2.2 -- Requests are sent, and responses returned to these requests. A single request generates a single response (neglecting fragmentation of messages in transport). The word "neglecting" can make this ambiguous -- it can be taken to mean that fragmentation can't happen. It might be better to say it this way: NEW Requests are sent, and responses returned to these requests. A single request generates a single response (though both requests and responses can be subject to fragmentation of messages in transport). END -- Section 4.3 -- If the peer fails to read the tracker response, the same Request with identical content, including the same transaction_id, SHOULD be repeated, if the condition is transient. ...and... The tracker SHOULD be prepared to receive a Request with a repeated transaction_id. Given the first paragraph, why isn't the SHOULD in the second one a MUST? In the list of error responses, why are some of them MUST and others SHOULD? -- Section 4.4 -- There are no JSON things called "fields". Objects have "members" and arrays have "elements". I think you mean to use "members" in this section. -- Section 7 -- Additionally, a designer MUST remember that extensions themselves MAY also be extensible. The "MAY" shouldn't be a 2119 key word, and should be changed to lower case. -- Section 8.1 -- This is not defining a registry; it's making a registration in the media types registry. We no longer use the term "MIME type", so please change the title to "Media type registration", and change the first paragraph: OLD This document defines registry for application/ppsp-tracker+json media types. NEW This document registers the application/ppsp-tracker+json media type. END You also use "MIME type" in the "File extension" information (you can actually just change that to "n/a"). And you haven't updated the registration template to the latest one specified in RFC 6838 -- there's a new "Fragment identifier considerations" item (which can just be "n/a" also, but please add it). -- Section 10 -- Some of your informative references are for required functions, and should be normative. In particular, RFC 2616 needs to be changed to 7230 and 7231 (see above) and needs to be normative. 2818 and 5246 should be normative. 3986 and 5952 tell you how to encode IP addresses, and should be normative. 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Hi all,

 

I have a question regarding cla= use 2.3.2 Error conditions.

In sub-clause B) it says,<= /o:p>

 

B)= At the TRACKING state (while the "track timer" has not expired)<= o:p>

      = receiving a CONNECT message from that Peer ID with invalid swarm=

      = actions (section 5.1) is considered an error condition.  The

      = Tracker responds with error code Forbidden (described in<= /p>

      = section 4.3), stops the "track timer", deletes the registration,<= o:p>

      = transitions to TERMINATE state for that Peer ID and the SM is

      = destroyed.

 

If a peer that has already join= ed multiple overlay networks(swarms) tries to join invalid swarm,
it looks like that the registration should be removed according to above se= ntence.

 

Am I understanding right?<= /o:p>

 

I think that such situation pro= bably happen often, since a user may mistype or session may be removed by o= wner.

How about don=A1=AFt going TERM= INATE state but just send error message for the transaction.

 

 

Regards,..

W.Hyun

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Hi Hyun,

 

I think yo= u=A1=AFre right. At the TRACKING state, only when timeout the registration = should be removed. In any other cases of the TRACKING state, including receiving error CONNECT, error FIND and error STAT_REPORT,  just send= ing response with error code. Right?

We can add= ress it in the next version.

 = ;

BR,

Rachel

 = ;

From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ??
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 4:47 PM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] Regarding clause "2.3.2 error conditios" i= n PPSP-TP

 

 

Hi all,

 

I have a question regarding cla= use 2.3.2 Error conditions.

In sub-clause B) it says,<= /o:p>

 

B)= At the TRACKING state (while the "track timer" has not expired)<= o:p>

      = receiving a CONNECT message from that Peer ID with invalid swarm=

      = actions (section 5.1) is considered an error condition.  The

      = Tracker responds with error code Forbidden (described in<= /p>

      = section 4.3), stops the "track timer", deletes the registration,<= o:p>

      = transitions to TERMINATE state for that Peer ID and the SM is

      = destroyed.

 

If a peer that has already join= ed multiple overlay networks(swarms) tries to join invalid swarm,
it looks like that the registration should be removed according to above se= ntence.

 

Am I understanding right?<= /o:p>

 

I think that such situation pro= bably happen often, since a user may mistype or session may be removed by o= wner.

How about don=A1=AFt going TERM= INATE state but just send error message for the transaction.

 

 

Regards,..

W.Hyun

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Hello all,

 

I have two questions regarding = ACK message of PPSP-PP,

 

[1]

Is ACK message sent on every DA= TA message or REQUEST message?

Or implementation-dependent?

I know that it should be sent a= fter integrity confirmation, but not sure how often it should be sent?=

 

As for my understanding, one RE= QUEST message may lead to multiple DATA message.

In this case, one ACK should be= sent? or multiple ACK should be sent?

 

For example,<= /p>

One REQUEST message is sent for= three chunks, and three DATA messages are sent accordingly.

In this case, how many ACK mess= ages should be sent?

 

 

[2]

What happen it a peer does not = receive ACK?

 

 

I would be grateful for any hel= p.

Thank you.

 

Regards,..

W.Hyun

--_000_3547C9BBE62E844093C527F2EE9D9E3A1E237CADSMTP1etriinfo_-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 08:13:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877171AC3C1; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:13:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WNPKaN8oEHyN; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x232.google.com (mail-vk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2B491A9116; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vkat63 with SMTP id t63so105931925vka.1; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yVbds7UxCdtVGlWRJ17WqYJWiE/FhKttlI56mLJkil8=; b=x1Ke5fZm0zJ3BcrBQ4v0HMwFPVNWw1bNOR9iagl6C5jo2JR7rUj5OG2tXlhGJWc3CR To0KqSMgDdOF+NJd9ZjKjDglvpNoLCD6QpGwzhsb5ifeV3DoklINjwIoqlS5kUxFbUEc cdX6DVuBSZx8F2lomA59htP189GAlqGy2JEpgWBCxsOlqjs5LZvY4NoaqvhSNOKrLQ0s 1gYcxUGXxsvQVg6p8e0XkEzp/PwT31Kh77n614DF4l6q4F0KGfP5QjVUWYmNJ0FhUD44 K08f/ug2AbGMuRXnU9AXrb3tgxtJC1TiSSSs+cSE2EohAM6r3e6sALffyXh50pb7JZGp vVKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.170.80 with SMTP id t77mr20103030vke.156.1445267617825; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.31.54.65 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86441BF2@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <20151015043105.10919.514.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86441BF2@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:13:37 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GJ6FjPl1QSdQ5jDKZxeM--pcnW0 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:13:40 -0000 Hi, Rachel, and thanks for addressing my comments. >> -- Section 3.1 -- >> >> A JSON object consists of name/value pairs. The JSON names of the >> pairs are indicated with "". >> >> I don't find the meaning of the second sentence to understandable at all. >> What are you trying to say? > > [Rachel]: Actually we mean name = quotation-mark *char quotation-mark. > [RFC7159] has specified it, so how about we delete the related sentences? Yes, that seems best; I'll have another look after you're updated the document. >> -- Subsections of 3.2 -- >> Where are the semantics of the string values, such as "HIGH", "NORMAL", >> and "LOW", defined? > > [Rachel]: Right. And I think it's hard to define any empirical value > in this document. So how about changing the meaning of the 4 optional > attributes to the requesting peer's status? So that concurrent_links, > online_time, upload_bandwidth can be changed to ppsp_tp_integer_t > type. Thus, tracker can do some peer selection based on peer's current > status? Your suggestion here seems fine, if you add a few words to give a sense of what the integer value might mean (realizing that it's going to be vague, and that vague is OK). >> Is the definition give for "LEECH" sufficient?: >> >> LEECH: A Peer that has not yet completed the transfer of all Chunks >> of the media content. >> >> I don't think "completed the transfer" is clear enough, and "transfer" >> can be outbound or inbound. Would something like "A Peer that has not yet >> received all chunks of the media content, and therefore can't be used to share >> the content," be better? And isn't it possible for a peer to share the chunks >> that it has, even if it doesn't have all of the chunks? > > [Rachel]: A peer can share the received chunks even if it doesn't have > all the chunks. So how about changing to "A peer that has nothing or > has not yet received all chunks of the media content"? That's fine; thanks. 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