From nobody Sat Dec 12 23:00:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA5C1A037C; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:00:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MANGLED_LOAN=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FCmWDmsWbXhz; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 269DD1A01F4; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBN18377; 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Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:56:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151213065615.16451.22234.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:56:15 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 03:23:25 -0800 Cc: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11.txt X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 06:56:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Peer to Peer Streaming Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : PPSP Tracker Protocol-Base Protocol (PPSP-TP/1.0) Authors : Rui Santos Cruz Mario Serafim Nunes Gu Yingjie Jinwei Xia Rachel Huang Joao P. Taveira Deng Lingli Filename : draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11.txt Pages : 54 Date : 2015-12-12 Abstract: This document specifies the base Peer-to-Peer Streaming Protocol- Tracker Protocol (PPSP-TP/1.0), an application-layer control (signaling) protocol for the exchange of meta information between trackers and peers. The specification outlines the architecture of the protocol and its functionality, and describes message flows, message processing instructions, message formats, formal syntax and semantics. The PPSP Tracker Protocol enables cooperating peers to form content streaming overlay networks to support near real-time Structured Media content delivery (audio, video, associated timed text and metadata), such as adaptive multi-rate, layered (scalable) and multi-view (3D) videos, in live, time-shifted and on-demand modes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Dec 14 20:20:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EAB1ADEB6; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:29:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Kathleen Moriarty" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151215022950.16440.50969.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:29:50 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:20:48 -0800 Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org, ppsp@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 02:29:50 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Section 5.2.7 Please make mention and reference to security provisions for SNMP and Syslog. RFC5424 is just for syslog, so a pointer for SNMP security considerations should be added in this section as well. They use a boilerplate for the text and add considerations specific to a draft. Benoit - do you have a good reference for them to use? A more generic SNMP draft might not be up-to-date with the latest boilerplate text. If that's the case, the recent changes are small and could be stated with a pointer to an RFC with the older boilerplate text. - Thanks for adding an SNMP reference. I would think there is a better, more recent one that could be used. Moving to a comment for your AD to help you with and not hold up on this one. 2. Are there any considerations for the statistics collected, can they be used in a malicious way? I would think so and that this would be an important security consideration. Mentioning possible issues would be helpful to the reader. - Thanks for adding in text about this one! 3. Section 6 Reference to RFC2616 isn't enough for the security considerations of HTTP since that's a really old RFC. If you want authentication options, you could point to the HTTPAuth documents, which include updated versions of HTTP basic (RFC7616) and digest (RFC7617). While there are still lots of security issues with these options, the RFCs spell out what the actual considerations are, which are helpful to the reader. This raises the need for TLS 1.2 as well to provide session protection for the session (passive and active attacks) as well as for the authentication used. You mention HTTPAuth's digest in 6.1, but there's no reference. This is a little better, so I am moving this to a comment from discuss. 4. Section 6.1 Why isn't TLS a must here to protect the session data? If you are relying on OAuth Bearer tokens, they offer no security protection without TLS, so to rely on this, I'd say TLS really should be a MUST. The authentication types to get a bearer token (at least in RFC documentation and in the registry) are all pretty weak and require TLS protection to have any level of security. With the TLS MUST, we are recommending TLS 1.2 as the minimum in drafts. It would be good to see a mention of TLS 1.2 as a minimum recommendation and a reference to the BCP for TLS 1.2 configurations RFC7525 (it even includes cipher suite recommendations). - Thanks for adding in the MUST for TLS and the reference to RFC7525. 5. Privacy I would have expected some discussion on the protection of the 2 ID types and the tracker capabilities and that session encryption (TLS) ought to be used when this is a consideration. Is there a reason this isn't covered? If it's not a concern, I'd like to understand why. -Thanks for adding in a privacy section! From nobody Mon Dec 14 20:21:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEE31A035F; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:06:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yljp5cGegq8w; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E015E1A6F1F; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id tBEN6JH5036685 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:06:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: Huangyihong Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:06:19 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86494F53@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <20151014020729.23251.26488.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86448FCF@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <6B86D15D-9705-4D7B-B74B-D6C68E5D339A@nostrum.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86494F53@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.3r5187) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:21:05 -0800 Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:06:26 -0000 Hi Rachel, I just realized I hadn't closed the loop on this one. Your email addressed all my remaining comments. Thanks! Ben. On 19 Nov 2015, at 1:53, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Please see further late replies inline^^. Thank you for your comments. > > BR, > Rachel From nobody Tue Dec 15 03:50:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7DC1A8712; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 03:50:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id osqa9ODYJirU; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 03:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AF9D1A02BE; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 03:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CFM01737; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:49:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:49:56 +0000 Received: from nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.36) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:49:55 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.252]) by nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:49:44 +0800 From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" To: Ben Campbell Thread-Topic: Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHRHmZfY13yLBdYsUG2FG1Lptjk3J6eXvLQgCxmOoCAANTaAA== Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:49:44 +0000 Message-ID: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E75E81@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20151014020729.23251.26488.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86448FCF@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <6B86D15D-9705-4D7B-B74B-D6C68E5D339A@nostrum.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86494F53@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.79.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020205.566FFE64.0166, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.252, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 53d9f87d43971845a608730595051c1c Archived-At: Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:50:00 -0000 Hi Ben, We have submitted a new version. Would you please take a look to see if the= comments are solved or not?=20 Thanks. BR, Rachel > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:06 AM > To: Huangyihong (Rachel) > Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; The IESG; > draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org; Zongning > Subject: Re: Ben Campbell's Discuss on > draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 > Hi Rachel, >=20 > I just realized I hadn't closed the loop on this one. Your email addresse= d all my > remaining comments. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Ben. >=20 >=20 > On 19 Nov 2015, at 1:53, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: >=20 > > Hi Ben, > > > > Please see further late replies inline^^. Thank you for your comments. > > > > BR, > > Rachel From nobody Tue Dec 15 23:12:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B4A1A8825; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UHgBYl4A7vI4; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2489C1A01D6; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBQ60066; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:12:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.36) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:12:25 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.252]) by nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:12:21 +0800 From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" To: Kathleen Moriarty , The IESG Thread-Topic: [ppsp] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHRNvAAUVhaZeA6P0mZ5gruM113FJ7NLeUw Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:12:21 +0000 Message-ID: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E76198@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20151215022950.16440.50969.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20151215022950.16440.50969.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.79.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.56710EDA.019C, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.252, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 4fbb603b2ffcf20d96361a10ed70df1c Archived-At: Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:12:32 -0000 Hi Kathleen, Thank you for all the valuable comments. Please see my replies inline. BR, Rachel > -----Original Message----- > From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 10:30 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org > Subject: [ppsp] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on > draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all ema= il > addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introdu= ctory > paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > 1. Section 5.2.7 > Please make mention and reference to security provisions for SNMP and Sys= log. > RFC5424 is just for syslog, so a pointer for SNMP security considerations= should > be added in this section as well. They use a boilerplate for the text an= d add > considerations specific to a draft. > Benoit - do you have a good reference for them to use? A more generic SN= MP > draft might not be up-to-date with the latest boilerplate text. If that'= s the > case, the recent changes are small and could be stated with a pointer to = an > RFC with the older boilerplate text. >=20 > - Thanks for adding an SNMP reference. I would think there is a better, = more > recent one that could be used. Moving to a comment for your AD to help y= ou > with and not hold up on this one. [Rachel]: Will referring to [RFC5590] be better? >=20 >=20 > 2. Are there any considerations for the statistics collected, can they be= used in > a malicious way? I would think so and that this would be an important > security consideration. Mentioning possible issues would be helpful to t= he > reader. >=20 > - Thanks for adding in text about this one! >=20 > 3. Section 6 > Reference to RFC2616 isn't enough for the security considerations of HTTP > since that's a really old RFC. If you want authentication options, you c= ould > point to the HTTPAuth documents, which include updated versions of HTTP > basic (RFC7616) and digest (RFC7617). While there are still lots of secu= rity > issues with these options, the RFCs spell out what the actual considerati= ons > are, which are helpful to the reader. This raises the need for TLS 1.2 a= s well to > provide session protection for the session (passive and active attacks) a= s well > as for the authentication used. >=20 > You mention HTTPAuth's digest in 6.1, but there's no reference. This is = a little > better, so I am moving this to a comment from discuss. [Rachel]: Yes. I propose following changes for the last paragraph of 6.1: OLD " OAuth 2.0 Authorization [RFC6749] SHOULD be also considered when digest authentication and HTTPS client certificates are required. " NEW " When peer (Client) authentication is desired at the tracker, HTTP Digest= Authentication [RFC7616] MUST be supported. " >=20 > 4. Section 6.1 > Why isn't TLS a must here to protect the session data? > If you are relying on OAuth Bearer tokens, they offer no security protect= ion > without TLS, so to rely on this, I'd say TLS really should be a MUST. Th= e > authentication types to get a bearer token (at least in RFC documentation= and > in the registry) are all pretty weak and require TLS protection to have a= ny level > of security. >=20 > With the TLS MUST, we are recommending TLS 1.2 as the minimum in drafts. > It would be good to see a mention of TLS 1.2 as a minimum recommendation > and a reference to the BCP for TLS 1.2 configurations RFC7525 (it even in= cludes > cipher suite recommendations). >=20 > - Thanks for adding in the MUST for TLS and the reference to RFC7525. >=20 > 5. Privacy > I would have expected some discussion on the protection of the 2 ID types= and > the tracker capabilities and that session encryption (TLS) ought to be us= ed > when this is a consideration. Is there a reason this isn't covered? If = it's not > a concern, I'd like to understand why. >=20 > -Thanks for adding in a privacy section! >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From nobody Wed Dec 16 00:43:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C151AC3E7; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:43:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwH191LPDUVS; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C3C11AC3CB; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CFN07932; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:43:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML708-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.202) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:43:38 +0000 Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.202) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:43:38 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.252]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:43:27 +0800 From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" To: Ben Campbell Thread-Topic: Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHRHmZfY13yLBdYsUG2FG1Lptjk3J6eXvLQgCxmOoCAANTaAIAAhyWAgAFETRA= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:43:26 +0000 Message-ID: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E761FE@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20151014020729.23251.26488.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86448FCF@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <6B86D15D-9705-4D7B-B74B-D6C68E5D339A@nostrum.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86494F53@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E75E81@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> <36E6372F-94D1-4BE5-A4A9-2EE91F0772BB@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <36E6372F-94D1-4BE5-A4A9-2EE91F0772BB@nostrum.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.79.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.5671243C.00BF, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.252, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 53d9f87d43971845a608730595051c1c Archived-At: Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:43:45 -0000 Hi Ben, Apologize for the careless when editing the draft. I'll go through this dra= ft one more time to make sure it won't happen again. BR, Rachel > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:52 AM > To: Huangyihong (Rachel) > Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; The IESG; > draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org; Zongning > Subject: Re: Ben Campbell's Discuss on > draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Looking at the updated document, I have some minor comments on the > changes. Otherwise, I think at least my substantive comments have all bee= n > addressed. >=20 > - I notice multiple occurrences of "edit-itis" in the changed text. > (That is, grammar errors introduced by incomplete edits.). I suggest one = more > proofreading pass after you have made all your planned edits. I mention a= few > instances below, but I think there are more. >=20 > - Definitions of seeder and leech: The 2119 keywords probably do not belo= ng in > the term definition. I _think_ (but did not verify) that this is specifie= d elsewhere > in the document. It's okay to mention the requirement in the term definit= ion, > just not "normatively" >=20 > - 1.2.2, 1st paragraph last sentence: > The new sentence about peer ID formats is internally redundant. I suspect > someone started to edit it but didn't finish. >=20 > - 6.2: >=20 > s/declaim/claim >=20 > I cannot parse the sentence starting with "For Trackers...". Does this me= an > something like: > "Trackers do not see the content exchanged among peers, so they cannot > detect peer pollution of content." >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Ben. >=20 > On 15 Dec 2015, at 5:49, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: >=20 > > Hi Ben, > > > > We have submitted a new version. Would you please take a look to see > > if the comments are solved or not? > > Thanks. > > > > BR, > > Rachel > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:06 AM > >> To: Huangyihong (Rachel) > >> Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; The IESG; > >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org; Zongning > >> Subject: Re: Ben Campbell's Discuss on > >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > >> > >> Hi Rachel, > >> > >> I just realized I hadn't closed the loop on this one. Your email > >> addressed all my remaining comments. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Ben. > >> > >> > >> On 19 Nov 2015, at 1:53, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Ben, > >>> > >>> Please see further late replies inline^^. Thank you for your > >>> comments. > >>> > >>> BR, > >>> Rachel From nobody Wed Dec 16 19:43:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61021AC429; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:43:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jSYNW5bToUiK; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EF031AC42C; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 19:43:00 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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 03:42:49 +0000 Message-ID: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E765D1@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20151215022950.16440.50969.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E76198@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.79.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.56722F43.0049, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.252, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 4fbb603b2ffcf20d96361a10ed70df1c Archived-At: Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on 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cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: Huangyihong Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:51:51 -0600 Message-ID: <36E6372F-94D1-4BE5-A4A9-2EE91F0772BB@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E75E81@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20151014020729.23251.26488.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86448FCF@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <6B86D15D-9705-4D7B-B74B-D6C68E5D339A@nostrum.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86494F53@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E75E81@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.3r5187) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 19:52:25 -0800 Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:51:59 -0000 Hi, Looking at the updated document, I have some minor comments on the changes. Otherwise, I think at least my substantive comments have all been addressed. - I notice multiple occurrences of "edit-itis" in the changed text. (That is, grammar errors introduced by incomplete edits.). I suggest one more proofreading pass after you have made all your planned edits. I mention a few instances below, but I think there are more. - Definitions of seeder and leech: The 2119 keywords probably do not belong in the term definition. I _think_ (but did not verify) that this is specified elsewhere in the document. It's okay to mention the requirement in the term definition, just not "normatively" - 1.2.2, 1st paragraph last sentence: The new sentence about peer ID formats is internally redundant. I suspect someone started to edit it but didn't finish. - 6.2: s/declaim/claim I cannot parse the sentence starting with "For Trackers...". Does this mean something like: "Trackers do not see the content exchanged among peers, so they cannot detect peer pollution of content." Thanks! Ben. On 15 Dec 2015, at 5:49, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: > Hi Ben, > > We have submitted a new version. Would you please take a look to see > if the comments are solved or not? > Thanks. > > BR, > Rachel > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:06 AM >> To: Huangyihong (Rachel) >> Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; The IESG; >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org; Zongning >> Subject: Re: Ben Campbell's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >> >> Hi Rachel, >> >> I just realized I hadn't closed the loop on this one. Your email >> addressed all my >> remaining comments. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Ben. >> >> >> On 19 Nov 2015, at 1:53, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: >> >>> Hi Ben, >>> >>> Please see further late replies inline^^. Thank you for your >>> comments. >>> >>> BR, >>> Rachel From nobody Fri Dec 18 19:52:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDDC1A0061; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:55:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2iC-aMeSQuu; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 108C41A00A0; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id tBGEth2q003212 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:55:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-119-203-4.tx.res.rr.com [70.119.203.4] claimed to be [10.0.1.10] From: "Ben Campbell" To: Huangyihong Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:55:42 -0600 Message-ID: <6EC35E9C-0F42-4129-836B-C0DE935576FD@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E761FE@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20151014020729.23251.26488.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86448FCF@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <6B86D15D-9705-4D7B-B74B-D6C68E5D339A@nostrum.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86494F53@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E75E81@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> <36E6372F-94D1-4BE5-A4A9-2EE91F0772BB@nostrum.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E761FE@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.3r5187) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 19:52:25 -0800 Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:55:55 -0000 On 16 Dec 2015, at 2:43, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Apologize for the careless when editing the draft. I'll go through > this draft one more time to make sure it won't happen again. Hi Rachel, I didn't mean to imply carelessness on anyone's part. Once someone has edited a draft over-and-over, it becomes really hard to catch this sort of thing. It happens to me all the time--I think I've gotten some text perfect, and other people find all kinds of errors. Thanks! Ben. > > BR, > Rachel > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:52 AM >> To: Huangyihong (Rachel) >> Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; The IESG; >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org; Zongning >> Subject: Re: Ben Campbell's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >> >> Hi, >> >> Looking at the updated document, I have some minor comments on the >> changes. Otherwise, I think at least my substantive comments have all >> been >> addressed. >> >> - I notice multiple occurrences of "edit-itis" in the changed text. >> (That is, grammar errors introduced by incomplete edits.). I suggest >> one more >> proofreading pass after you have made all your planned edits. I >> mention a few >> instances below, but I think there are more. >> >> - Definitions of seeder and leech: The 2119 keywords probably do not >> belong in >> the term definition. I _think_ (but did not verify) that this is >> specified elsewhere >> in the document. It's okay to mention the requirement in the term >> definition, >> just not "normatively" >> >> - 1.2.2, 1st paragraph last sentence: >> The new sentence about peer ID formats is internally redundant. I >> suspect >> someone started to edit it but didn't finish. >> >> - 6.2: >> >> s/declaim/claim >> >> I cannot parse the sentence starting with "For Trackers...". Does >> this mean >> something like: >> "Trackers do not see the content exchanged among peers, so they >> cannot >> detect peer pollution of content." >> >> Thanks! >> >> Ben. >> >> On 15 Dec 2015, at 5:49, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: >> >>> Hi Ben, >>> >>> We have submitted a new version. Would you please take a look to see >>> if the comments are solved or not? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> BR, >>> Rachel >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:06 AM >>>> To: Huangyihong (Rachel) >>>> Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; The IESG; >>>> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org; Zongning >>>> Subject: Re: Ben Campbell's Discuss on >>>> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-10: (with DISCUSS and >>>> COMMENT) >>>> >>>> Hi Rachel, >>>> >>>> I just realized I hadn't closed the loop on this one. Your email >>>> addressed all my remaining comments. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 Nov 2015, at 1:53, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ben, >>>>> >>>>> Please see further late replies inline^^. Thank you for your >>>>> comments. >>>>> >>>>> BR, >>>>> Rachel From nobody Fri Dec 18 19:52:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52A91B2D7A; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:36:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q64J2BMCHTeo; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com (mail-wm0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 938AA1A888B; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id l126so39796239wml.1; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:36:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eG8S+4JSTKVRpF3BlwB4hq3nuM6Vu0BjWAEiUj0agt0=; b=pzbfpcYkIPpckqRRL4yIl1mIiuFrb7bPXCBVEpBCmBNPj8uFnm9JUHR5RTyQy0MFxA kyWi48ey3pSskBltAcOADn3qaT5EEI0wg3rqsFD2d7OkBXXLlK5t29D5ngqhJJapIwZL Nz0K0TULVEYUiSn8BYY9LJB3ZQOV7w9TnFwbMYwB3pUiHkb48PmOmlN0NTGxra5Ti+Vj 3n/FUve0xux607cJvb8kUYtjoVi0P7SOQ/iOlDl4gng/FMWMDQP13Ap1UpnvnT2RfbVE LN9ztLq1UgrO7qGYpacFxcnDk04E5kUG456XeZNB4/+OoZvM98Iidy7Vybuprps8e6Dv ms1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.179.71 with SMTP id de7mr50315695wjc.119.1450273000161; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.52.130 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:36:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E76198@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20151215022950.16440.50969.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86E76198@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 19:52:55 -0800 Cc: "ppsp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ppsp@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 13:36:43 -0000 Hi Rachael, On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Huangyihong (Rachel) wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > Thank you for all the valuable comments. Please see my replies inline. > > BR, > Rachel > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty >> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 10:30 AM >> To: The IESG >> Cc: ppsp-chairs@ietf.org; ppsp@ietf.org; >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol@ietf.org >> Subject: [ppsp] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: (with COMMENT) >> >> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol-11: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email >> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory >> paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppsp-base-tracker-protocol/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> 1. Section 5.2.7 >> Please make mention and reference to security provisions for SNMP and Syslog. >> RFC5424 is just for syslog, so a pointer for SNMP security considerations should >> be added in this section as well. They use a boilerplate for the text and add >> considerations specific to a draft. >> Benoit - do you have a good reference for them to use? A more generic SNMP >> draft might not be up-to-date with the latest boilerplate text. If that's the >> case, the recent changes are small and could be stated with a pointer to an >> RFC with the older boilerplate text. >> >> - Thanks for adding an SNMP reference. I would think there is a better, more >> recent one that could be used. Moving to a comment for your AD to help you >> with and not hold up on this one. > > [Rachel]: Will referring to [RFC5590] be better? > >> >> >> 2. Are there any considerations for the statistics collected, can they be used in >> a malicious way? I would think so and that this would be an important >> security consideration. Mentioning possible issues would be helpful to the >> reader. >> >> - Thanks for adding in text about this one! >> >> 3. Section 6 >> Reference to RFC2616 isn't enough for the security considerations of HTTP >> since that's a really old RFC. If you want authentication options, you could >> point to the HTTPAuth documents, which include updated versions of HTTP >> basic (RFC7616) and digest (RFC7617). While there are still lots of security >> issues with these options, the RFCs spell out what the actual considerations >> are, which are helpful to the reader. This raises the need for TLS 1.2 as well to >> provide session protection for the session (passive and active attacks) as well >> as for the authentication used. >> >> You mention HTTPAuth's digest in 6.1, but there's no reference. This is a little >> better, so I am moving this to a comment from discuss. > > [Rachel]: Yes. I propose following changes for the last paragraph of 6.1: > > OLD > " > OAuth 2.0 Authorization [RFC6749] SHOULD be also considered when > digest authentication and HTTPS client certificates are required. > " > NEW > " > When peer (Client) authentication is desired at the tracker, HTTP Digest Authentication [RFC7616] MUST be supported. > " I think what you had is better as it allowed for certificate based authentication as well. HTTP Digest has it's problems, which are cited in RFC7616. A MUST for that isn't a good idea. Just include the reference for RFC7616 with the older text. Thank you, Kathleen > >> >> 4. Section 6.1 >> Why isn't TLS a must here to protect the session data? >> If you are relying on OAuth Bearer tokens, they offer no security protection >> without TLS, so to rely on this, I'd say TLS really should be a MUST. The >> authentication types to get a bearer token (at least in RFC documentation and >> in the registry) are all pretty weak and require TLS protection to have any level >> of security. >> >> With the TLS MUST, we are recommending TLS 1.2 as the minimum in drafts. >> It would be good to see a mention of TLS 1.2 as a minimum recommendation >> and a reference to the BCP for TLS 1.2 configurations RFC7525 (it even includes >> cipher suite recommendations). >> >> - Thanks for adding in the MUST for TLS and the reference to RFC7525. >> >> 5. Privacy >> I would have expected some discussion on the protection of the 2 ID types and >> the tracker capabilities and that session encryption (TLS) ought to be used >> when this is a consideration. Is there a reason this isn't covered? If it's not >> a concern, I'd like to understand why. >> >> -Thanks for adding in a privacy section! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ppsp mailing list >> ppsp@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Wed Dec 30 23:11:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFDB1A8718 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:11:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MANGLED_LOAN=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kPMPr_-gZ45k for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 310231A8716 for ; 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