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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:22:04 +0800
Subject: ADV:  Harvest lots of E-mail addresses quickly !
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Dear ppvpn ,

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nbsp;
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NT
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g. It
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ts
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 the
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end
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ing
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 to
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0000 face=3DArial size=3D4><I>Click The Following Link To
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te
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lease
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>Here is the
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      <DIV>
      <P>http://www.wldinfo.com/download/email/newees.zip</P>
      <P>http://bestsoft.3322.org/onlinedown/newees.zip</P></FONT></DIV>
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    <TD bgColor=3D#0f95de width=3D"90%"><FONT color=3D#ffffff
      face=3D"Verdana, Tahoma, Helvetica, SansSerif"
      size=3D1><B>Disclaimer:</B><BR>We are strongly against continuously s=
ending
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      line "ADV" to provide you notification that this is a commercial
      advertisement for persons over 18yrs old.</FONT></B></TD>
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Sharam,

see in line

Shahram Davari wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in the frame work?
>    For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a number of ATM/FR
>    networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual switch,
>    requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private ATM/FR service).
>    Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic virtual private L2
>    service rather than a VPLS only for LAN?


I guess that there are more than one answer to this

a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or fr services

b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the domain of pwe3

c. if you are suggsting that we should specify virtual privae atm
switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as particitating in atm
dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp


> 
> 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the context of SLA, but does
>    not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and decoupling resiliency between
>    L2VPNs. Why is that?


agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the
draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework
of its own?

/Loa


> 
> Thanks,
> -Shahram
> 
> 


-- 
     Loa Andersson
     Chief Architect,
     Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
     Utfors AB
     Råsundavägen 12
     Box 525, 169 29 Solna
     Office          +46 8 5270 2000
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i just submitted version 01 of draft-heinanen-dns-l2tp-vpls to the
internet drafts editor.  it is also available as 

    ftp://lohi.eng.song.fi/tmp/draft-heinanen-dns-l2tp-vpls-01.txt

changes from previous version include

- use of the proposed application identifier avp to identify the
  particular l2tp application (in this case directory/dns vpls)

- for simplicity, only l2tp sessions without control word are allowed

- use of control connection and session tie-breaker avps

- sessions are established using ICRQ/ICRP/ICCN message exchange

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also, the text has been worded so that it can still be referenced even
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Loa,

Please see my comments in line.

Thanks,
-Shahram

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se]
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:19 AM
> To: Shahram Davari
> Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt
> 
> 
> Sharam,
> 
> see in line
> 
> Shahram Davari wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in 
> the frame work?
> >    For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a 
> number of ATM/FR
> >    networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual switch,
> >    requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private 
> ATM/FR service).
> >    Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic 
> virtual private L2
> >    service rather than a VPLS only for LAN?
> 
> 
> I guess that there are more than one answer to this
> 
> a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or 
> fr services

But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? 
Also having a generic framework does not close the door on other L2 VPNs.

> 
> b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the domain of pwe3


PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and discovery are part of
PPVPN.

> 
> c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm
> switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as 
> particitating in atm
> dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp

How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at all about any
specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic.


> 
> 
> > 
> > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the 
> context of SLA, but does
> >    not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and 
> decoupling resiliency between
> >    L2VPNs. Why is that?
> 
> 
> agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the
> draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework
> of its own?

May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that decoupling of customers'
QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by service providers.

> 
> /Loa
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > -Shahram
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
>      Loa Andersson
>      Chief Architect,
>      Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
>      Utfors AB
>      Råsundavägen 12
>      Box 525, 169 29 Solna
>      Office          +46 8 5270 2000
>      Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
>      Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
>      Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
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> 
> 



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Shahram,

What's not clear is whether you mean a "native" ATM/FR, or a "virtual" 
ATM/FR VPN.  If you mean the former, this is definitely not in the IETF 
scope.

If you mean the latter, however, then there are further questions.  Are you 
suggesting to emulate ATM/FR switches with IP?  (I hope not)

If not, are you only suggesting CEs be using ATM/FR framing for their L2 
encapsulations?  If so, then the VPN will clearly end up falling into 
either VPWS, or VPLS depending on whether broadcast/multicast is to be 
recognized.  Notice, if you may be thinking point-to-multipoint, then VPWS 
applies, as this case is really a collection of point-to-point circuits.

There is also a  possibility you might want your VPN limit to IP services, 
in which case you could consider the ARP mediation or IPLS concept.



At 07:41 AM 9/3/2002 -0700, Shahram Davari wrote:
>Loa,
>
>Please see my comments in line.
>
>Thanks,
>-Shahram
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se]
> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:19 AM
> > To: Shahram Davari
> > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt
> >
> >
> > Sharam,
> >
> > see in line
> >
> > Shahram Davari wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in
> > the frame work?
> > >    For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a
> > number of ATM/FR
> > >    networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual switch,
> > >    requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private
> > ATM/FR service).
> > >    Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic
> > virtual private L2
> > >    service rather than a VPLS only for LAN?
> >
> >
> > I guess that there are more than one answer to this
> >
> > a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or
> > fr services
>
>But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion?
>Also having a generic framework does not close the door on other L2 VPNs.
>
> >
> > b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the domain of pwe3
>
>
>PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and discovery are part of
>PPVPN.
>
> >
> > c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm
> > switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as
> > particitating in atm
> > dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp
>
>How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at all about any
>specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the
> > context of SLA, but does
> > >    not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and
> > decoupling resiliency between
> > >    L2VPNs. Why is that?
> >
> >
> > agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the
> > draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework
> > of its own?
>
>May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that decoupling of 
>customers'
>QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by service providers.
>
> >
> > /Loa
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Shahram
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >      Loa Andersson
> >      Chief Architect,
> >      Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
> >      Utfors AB
> >      Råsundavägen 12
> >      Box 525, 169 29 Solna
> >      Office          +46 8 5270 2000
> >      Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
> >      Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
> >      Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
> >      WWW             www.utfors.se
> >
> >





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Hi,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Waldemar Augustyn [mailto:waldemar@nxp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:37 AM
> To: Shahram Davari; 'Loa Andersson'
> Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt
> 
> 
> 
> Shahram,
> 
> What's not clear is whether you mean a "native" ATM/FR, or a 
> "virtual" 
> ATM/FR VPN.  If you mean the former, this is definitely not 
> in the IETF 
> scope.

I meant the latter.
> 
> If you mean the latter, however, then there are further 
> questions.  Are you 
> suggesting to emulate ATM/FR switches with IP?  (I hope not)

I was suggesting, something for ATM/FR service similar to VPLS for Ethernet.
I was not sure whether any body is interested in VPATMS / VPFRS or not.
Although, I don't dispute that I still haven't seen anybody requiring
such a service.

> 
> If not, are you only suggesting CEs be using ATM/FR framing 
> for their L2 
> encapsulations?  If so, then the VPN will clearly end up falling into 
> either VPWS, or VPLS depending on whether broadcast/multicast 
> is to be 
> recognized.  Notice, if you may be thinking 
> point-to-multipoint, then VPWS 
> applies, as this case is really a collection of 
> point-to-point circuits.

Sure.

> 
> There is also a  possibility you might want your VPN limit to 
> IP services, 
> in which case you could consider the ARP mediation or IPLS concept.

Sure.


-Shahram
> 
> 
> 
> At 07:41 AM 9/3/2002 -0700, Shahram Davari wrote:
> >Loa,
> >
> >Please see my comments in line.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >-Shahram
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:19 AM
> > > To: Shahram Davari
> > > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> > > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt
> > >
> > >
> > > Sharam,
> > >
> > > see in line
> > >
> > > Shahram Davari wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in
> > > the frame work?
> > > >    For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a
> > > number of ATM/FR
> > > >    networks, in which the provider network acts as a 
> virtual switch,
> > > >    requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private
> > > ATM/FR service).
> > > >    Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic
> > > virtual private L2
> > > >    service rather than a VPLS only for LAN?
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess that there are more than one answer to this
> > >
> > > a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or
> > > fr services
> >
> >But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion?
> >Also having a generic framework does not close the door on 
> other L2 VPNs.
> >
> > >
> > > b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the 
> domain of pwe3
> >
> >
> >PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and 
> discovery are part of
> >PPVPN.
> >
> > >
> > > c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual 
> private atm
> > > switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as
> > > particitating in atm
> > > dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp
> >
> >How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at 
> all about any
> >specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the
> > > context of SLA, but does
> > > >    not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and
> > > decoupling resiliency between
> > > >    L2VPNs. Why is that?
> > >
> > >
> > > agree on that there are possible improvements on these 
> sections in the
> > > draft, but also this is maybe something that would 
> require a framework
> > > of its own?
> >
> >May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that 
> decoupling of 
> >customers'
> >QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by 
> service providers.
> >
> > >
> > > /Loa
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Shahram
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >      Loa Andersson
> > >      Chief Architect,
> > >      Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
> > >      Utfors AB
> > >      Råsundavägen 12
> > >      Box 525, 169 29 Solna
> > >      Office          +46 8 5270 2000
> > >      Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
> > >      Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
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Shahram.....just to add to your remarks.  regards, Neil

<snipped>
> > I guess that there are more than one answer to this
> > 
> > a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or 
> > fr services
> 
> But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? 
> Also having a generic framework does not close the door on 
> other L2 VPNs.
NH=> ATM/FR is ignored at peril.  Ditto SDH/Sonet.  Operators have loads of
this stuff deployed earning real revenue and it works really well.  There is
also very little cash to spend for the foreseeable future given the
reality-take on all the over-hyped technologies of recent years.  So please
bear this fact in mind.
> 
> > 
> > b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the 
> domain of pwe3
> 
> 
> PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and discovery 
> are part of
> PPVPN.
NH=> Perhaps this is an error of judgement on functional decomposition (of
work organisation) then?
<snip>

> > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the 
> > context of SLA, but does
> > >    not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and 
> > decoupling resiliency between
> > >    L2VPNs. Why is that?
> > 
> > 
> > agree on that there are possible improvements on these 
> sections in the
> > draft, but also this is maybe something that would require 
> a framework
> > of its own?
> 
> May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that 
> decoupling of customers'
> QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by 
> service providers.
NH=> I have raised this point on numerous occasions.  Traffic/performance
isolation between VPNs (of different customers) would seem a pretty
important and basic requirement for VPNs *if* hard SLAs are required that
are also measurable.  But if you can't even fault-manage the technology in
question properly to start with (which begins with well-defined defects)
then I don't know how one can give any availability SLA assurances or QoS
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former is, in turn, dependent of sound fault-management.



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Hi,

Had a few questions on this MIB.

1) the name of the mib is 'MPLS/BGP Virtual
Private Network Management Information Base
using SMIv2' and the abstract says that
this MIB is based upon draft-ietf-ppvpn-rfc2547bis-02.txt
which has the title of:

'BGP/MPLS VPNs'

So my question is: could this MIB follow the draft
that is associated with it and be called 
'BGP/MPLS ...' ?

(also section 6.0 refers to BGP/MPLS VPN and not MPLS/BGP VPN)

2) The MplsVpnName which is a 32 Octet string, which 
may or may not be the VPN ID.  Could the description be
clarified to say if the VPN ID is not used as the value,
what the value is supposed to be?  (If not in the TC then
maybe in the index itself).

Also, I do not understand how this index could be
a NULL string for more than one VPN, otherwise, it 
would be difficult to interpret which VPN an interface
belongs to.
 
Is this possible?  

3) The following objects might work better
as Gauge32:

mplsVpnVrfActiveInterfaces
mplsVpnVrfAssociatedInterfaces
mplsVpnVrfPefCurrNumRoutes

4) There are references to an MPLS-VPN Interface and
yet the MIB uses mpls(166) or mplsTunnel(150)
for the ifType.

Was a new  Mpls-VPN ifType considered?   (The reason
a new ifType might want to be considered is because
if 2 (or more?) ifTypes are possible
to uniquely identify a BGP/MPLS interface, a new ifType
might be cleaner, especially if the MplsVpnName is allowed 
to be NULL.

Thanks, 
 -Joan



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Sorry, had left out the word MIB in the title, so
am reposting.

----

Hi,

Had a few questions on this MIB.

1) the name of the mib is 'MPLS/BGP Virtual
Private Network Management Information Base
using SMIv2' and the abstract says that
this MIB is based upon draft-ietf-ppvpn-rfc2547bis-02.txt
which has the title of:

'BGP/MPLS VPNs'

So my question is: could this MIB follow the draft
that is associated with it and be called 
'BGP/MPLS ...' ?

(also section 6.0 refers to BGP/MPLS VPN and not MPLS/BGP VPN)

2) The MplsVpnName which is a 32 Octet string, which 
may or may not be the VPN ID.  Could the description be
clarified to say if the VPN ID is not used as the value,
what the value is supposed to be?  (If not in the TC then
maybe in the index itself).

Also, I do not understand how this index could be
a NULL string for more than one VPN, otherwise, it 
would be difficult to interpret which VPN an interface
belongs to.
 
Is this possible?  

3) The following objects might work better
as Gauge32:

mplsVpnVrfActiveInterfaces
mplsVpnVrfAssociatedInterfaces
mplsVpnVrfPefCurrNumRoutes

4) There are references to an MPLS-VPN Interface and
yet the MIB uses mpls(166) or mplsTunnel(150)
for the ifType.

Was a new  Mpls-VPN ifType considered?   (The reason
a new ifType might want to be considered is because
if 2 (or more?) ifTypes are possible
to uniquely identify a BGP/MPLS interface, a new ifType
might be cleaner, especially if the MplsVpnName is allowed 
to be NULL.

Thanks, 
 -Joan



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Hello,

I think that the definition of "segment" in
draft-ietf-ppvpn-vpls-requirements-00.txt is in conflict with the IEEE 802
specifications.

Section 4 of the internet draft states:
"VPLS emulates a flat LAN segment with learning and switching
capabilities. "

This implicitly defines "segment" as a layer 2 entity.

However, in looking at IEEE 802.3-2000, sub-clause 1.4.244

"segment: The medium connection,including connectors,between Medium
Dependent Interfaces (MDIs)in a CSMA/CD local area network."

802.1 also refers to "LAN segments" in terms of layer 1 entities
(sub-clauses 1.2, 3.7, 6.3, etc.).

Can the definition of "segment" as a layer 1 entity (per IEEE 802) be
aligned in this draft?

Thanks,
-Ben






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Hi Ben,

There is another document:

         draft-augustyn-ppvpn-l2vpn-requirements-00.txt

which is intended to supersede the draft in question.

There, the VPLS text clarifies a number of statements and its terminology 
is better aligned with other document. In particular, the term "segment" is 
no longer used.  This, in effect, renders the issue moot.

Hope this helps


At 02:24 PM 9/4/2002 -0400, schultz@io.iol.unh.edu wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I think that the definition of "segment" in
>draft-ietf-ppvpn-vpls-requirements-00.txt is in conflict with the IEEE 802
>specifications.
>
>Section 4 of the internet draft states:
>"VPLS emulates a flat LAN segment with learning and switching
>capabilities. "
>
>This implicitly defines "segment" as a layer 2 entity.
>
>However, in looking at IEEE 802.3-2000, sub-clause 1.4.244
>
>"segment: The medium connection,including connectors,between Medium
>Dependent Interfaces (MDIs)in a CSMA/CD local area network."
>
>802.1 also refers to "LAN segments" in terms of layer 1 entities
>(sub-clauses 1.2, 3.7, 6.3, etc.).
>
>Can the definition of "segment" as a layer 1 entity (per IEEE 802) be
>aligned in this draft?
>
>Thanks,
>-Ben





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Inline, please.

Shahram Davari wrote:

> Loa,



< snip >



>>a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or 
>>fr services
>>
> 
> But you are only 1 person 


admittedly my spelling is bad ;), but I think counting is good, at least
as log as I only have to use the fingers of one hand :)

> in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? 


this realy beats me - I guess the number of things I'm not interested in
far exceeds the fingers on boths hands (and toes on my feet ;) ), why
should I start botherning the ietf mailing lists by asking opinions
on the things I'm not interested in?

< snip >


> 
>>c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm
>>switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as 
>>particitating in atm
>>dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp
>>
> 
> How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at all about any
> specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic.
> 
>


I can't see that it is the ppvpn wg tasks address every possible l2vpn,
and I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the
scope of ppvpn. so if the argument for generalizing more is to include
atm/fr signaling and switching, i don't see that is it as necessary.


/Loa


>>
>>agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the
>>draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework
>>of its own?
>>
> 
> May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that decoupling of customers'
> QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by service providers.
> 
> 
>>/Loa
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>-Shahram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>-- 
>>     Loa Andersson
>>     Chief Architect,
>>     Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
>>     Utfors AB
>>     Råsundavägen 12
>>     Box 525, 169 29 Solna
>>     Office          +46 8 5270 2000
>>     Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
>>     Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
>>     Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
>>     WWW             www.utfors.se
>>
>>
> 


-- 
     Loa Andersson
     Chief Architect,
     Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
     Utfors AB
     Råsundavägen 12
     Box 525, 169 29 Solna
     Office          +46 8 5270 2000
     Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
     Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
     Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
     WWW             www.utfors.se





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Loa,

Since you are writing a L2VPN framework draft for the WG, you should consider
others interest as well, even though you may not be interested in them.

" I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the
> scope of ppvpn."

But MAC learning is in scope?

-Shahram 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se]
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:44 AM
> To: Shahram Davari
> Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt
> 
> 
> Inline, please.
> 
> Shahram Davari wrote:
> 
> > Loa,
> 
> 
> 
> < snip >
> 
> 
> 
> >>a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or 
> >>fr services
> >>
> > 
> > But you are only 1 person 
> 
> 
> admittedly my spelling is bad ;), but I think counting is 
> good, at least
> as log as I only have to use the fingers of one hand :)
> 
> > in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? 
> 
> 
> this realy beats me - I guess the number of things I'm not 
> interested in
> far exceeds the fingers on boths hands (and toes on my feet ;) ), why
> should I start botherning the ietf mailing lists by asking opinions
> on the things I'm not interested in?
> 
> < snip >
> 
> 
> > 
> >>c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm
> >>switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as 
> >>particitating in atm
> >>dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp
> >>
> > 
> > How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at 
> all about any
> > specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic.
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> I can't see that it is the ppvpn wg tasks address every 
> possible l2vpn,
> and I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the
> scope of ppvpn. so if the argument for generalizing more is to include
> atm/fr signaling and switching, i don't see that is it as necessary.
> 
> 
> /Loa
> 
> 
> >>
> >>agree on that there are possible improvements on these 
> sections in the
> >>draft, but also this is maybe something that would require 
> a framework
> >>of its own?
> >>
> > 
> > May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that 
> decoupling of customers'
> > QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by 
> service providers.
> > 
> > 
> >>/Loa
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>-Shahram
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>     Loa Andersson
> >>     Chief Architect,
> >>     Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
> >>     Utfors AB
> >>     Råsundavägen 12
> >>     Box 525, 169 29 Solna
> >>     Office          +46 8 5270 2000
> >>     Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
> >>     Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
> >>     Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
> >>     WWW             www.utfors.se
> >>
> >>
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
>      Loa Andersson
>      Chief Architect,
>      Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
>      Utfors AB
>      Råsundavägen 12
>      Box 525, 169 29 Solna
>      Office          +46 8 5270 2000
>      Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
>      Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
>      Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
>      WWW             www.utfors.se
> 
> 



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Shahram> Why only  2 types of L2VPN (VPWS  & VPLS) are covered  in the frame
Shahram> work?  For example  you could think of a  L2VPN connecting a number
Shahram> of ATM/FR networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual
Shahram> switch, requiring  ATM/FR switching  at PEs (i.e.,  virtual private
Shahram> ATM/FR  service).   Isn't it  more  appropriate  to  define a  more
Shahram> generic virtual private L2 service rather than a VPLS only for LAN? 

In the generic Framework, a "Forwarder" attaches to multiple Pseudowires and
multiple  Attachment Circuits,  and  the Forwarder  determines  how to  move
frames among them, possibly by looking at L2-specific addressing information
and comparing it to the contents of an L2-specific forwarding database.  

More detail  is provided only  for VPWS and  VPLS because this  reflects the
interests of the WG, as evidenced by its set of internet drafts.




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Eric,


> 
> Shahram> Why only  2 types of L2VPN (VPWS  & VPLS) are 
> covered  in the frame
> Shahram> work?  For example  you could think of a  L2VPN 
> connecting a number
> Shahram> of ATM/FR networks, in which the provider network 
> acts as a virtual
> Shahram> switch, requiring  ATM/FR switching  at PEs (i.e.,  
> virtual private
> Shahram> ATM/FR  service).   Isn't it  more  appropriate  to  
> define a  more
> Shahram> generic virtual private L2 service rather than a 
> VPLS only for LAN? 
> 
> In the generic Framework, a "Forwarder" attaches to multiple 
> Pseudowires and
> multiple  Attachment Circuits,  and  the Forwarder  
> determines  how to  move
> frames among them, possibly by looking at L2-specific 
> addressing information
> and comparing it to the contents of an L2-specific forwarding 
> database.

It seems odd to define the generic framework in PWE3 rather than PPVPN.
  
> 
> More detail  is provided only  for VPWS and  VPLS because 
> this  reflects the
> interests of the WG, as evidenced by its set of internet drafts.

I suggest adding a text to the introduction that says this is not a generic L2VPN framework.
So that if others in future wants to define a VPN based on another L2, then they would not
be bound by this draft.

Thanks,
-Shahram

 



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The particular generic framework Eric Rosen mentions should
be defined in PWE3.  It defines the assumptions we make in
describing pseudo-wire behavior.

Eric W. Gray
Systems Architect
Celox Networks, Inc.
egray@celoxnetworks.com
508 305 7214


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shahram Davari [mailto:Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:33 PM
> To: 'erosen@cisco.com'
> Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt
> 
> Eric,
> 
> 
> >
> > Shahram> Why only  2 types of L2VPN (VPWS  & VPLS) are
> > covered  in the frame
> > Shahram> work?  For example  you could think of a  L2VPN
> > connecting a number
> > Shahram> of ATM/FR networks, in which the provider network
> > acts as a virtual
> > Shahram> switch, requiring  ATM/FR switching  at PEs (i.e.,
> > virtual private
> > Shahram> ATM/FR  service).   Isn't it  more  appropriate  to
> > define a  more
> > Shahram> generic virtual private L2 service rather than a
> > VPLS only for LAN?
> >
> > In the generic Framework, a "Forwarder" attaches to multiple
> > Pseudowires and
> > multiple  Attachment Circuits,  and  the Forwarder
> > determines  how to  move
> > frames among them, possibly by looking at L2-specific
> > addressing information
> > and comparing it to the contents of an L2-specific forwarding
> > database.
> 
> It seems odd to define the generic framework in PWE3 rather than PPVPN.
> 
> >
> > More detail  is provided only  for VPWS and  VPLS because
> > this  reflects the
> > interests of the WG, as evidenced by its set of internet drafts.
> 
> I suggest adding a text to the introduction that says this is not a
> generic L2VPN framework.
> So that if others in future wants to define a VPN based on another L2,
> then they would not
> be bound by this draft.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Shahram
> 
> 



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Shahram Davari wrote:

> Loa,
> 
> Since you are writing a L2VPN framework draft for the WG, you should consider
> others interest as well, even though you may not be interested in them.


Sure, and I do and have done for that particular framework.

but what you said "But you are only 1 person in the WG  [:)] ", also
applies to you ;).

For the record I've more than "1 person" constantly pointing out
that there is a need for focusing to get what is decided so far
done as timely as possible and stop meandering to cover every
conceivable solutions.

What I see here is that what I see as within the pwe3 domain is being
brought into the ppvpn, can't see why.

/Loa


> 
> " I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the
> 
>>scope of ppvpn."
>>
> 
> But MAC learning is in scope?
> 
> -Shahram 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se]
>>Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:44 AM
>>To: Shahram Davari
>>Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
>>Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt
>>
>>
>>Inline, please.
>>
>>Shahram Davari wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Loa,
>>>
>>
>>
>>< snip >
>>
>>
>>
>>>>a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or 
>>>>fr services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>But you are only 1 person 
>>>
>>
>>admittedly my spelling is bad ;), but I think counting is 
>>good, at least
>>as log as I only have to use the fingers of one hand :)
>>
>>
>>>in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? 
>>>
>>
>>this realy beats me - I guess the number of things I'm not 
>>interested in
>>far exceeds the fingers on boths hands (and toes on my feet ;) ), why
>>should I start botherning the ietf mailing lists by asking opinions
>>on the things I'm not interested in?
>>
>>< snip >
>>
>>
>>>>c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm
>>>>switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as 
>>>>particitating in atm
>>>>dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at 
>>>
>>all about any
>>
>>>specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I can't see that it is the ppvpn wg tasks address every 
>>possible l2vpn,
>>and I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the
>>scope of ppvpn. so if the argument for generalizing more is to include
>>atm/fr signaling and switching, i don't see that is it as necessary.
>>
>>
>>/Loa
>>
>>
>>
>>>>agree on that there are possible improvements on these 
>>>>
>>sections in the
>>
>>>>draft, but also this is maybe something that would require 
>>>>
>>a framework
>>
>>>>of its own?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that 
>>>
>>decoupling of customers'
>>
>>>QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by 
>>>
>>service providers.
>>
>>>
>>>>/Loa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>-Shahram
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>    Loa Andersson
>>>>    Chief Architect,
>>>>    Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
>>>>    Utfors AB
>>>>    Råsundavägen 12
>>>>    Box 525, 169 29 Solna
>>>>    Office          +46 8 5270 2000
>>>>    Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
>>>>    Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
>>>>    Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
>>>>    WWW             www.utfors.se
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>-- 
>>     Loa Andersson
>>     Chief Architect,
>>     Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
>>     Utfors AB
>>     Råsundavägen 12
>>     Box 525, 169 29 Solna
>>     Office          +46 8 5270 2000
>>     Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
>>     Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
>>     Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
>>     WWW             www.utfors.se
>>
>>
> 


-- 
     Loa Andersson
     Chief Architect,
     Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
     Utfors AB
     Råsundavägen 12
     Box 525, 169 29 Solna
     Office          +46 8 5270 2000
     Office direct   +46 8 5270 5038
     Mobile          +46 70 848 5038
     Email           loa.andersson@utfors.se
     WWW             www.utfors.se





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Shahram> It seems  odd to define the  generic framework in  PWE3 rather than
Shahram> PPVPN.  

I don't know what  you mean, the framework I was talking  about is the PPVPN
L2VPN  framework.   However, we  have  tried to  align  this  with the  PWE3
framework, which seems like a good thing to do. 








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Eric,

I have no problem aligning this document with PWE3. But this document does not mention
any thing about the PWE3 framework, and the PE model. 

Either this draft is a generic L2VPN framework (irrespective of the L2) or it is defined
for some specific L2s. All I am saying is that this should be spelled out in the introduction
and abstract, because the title is misleading.

Yours,
-Shahram

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Rosen [mailto:erosen@cisco.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: Shahram Davari
> Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt 
> 
> 
> 
> Shahram> It seems  odd to define the  generic framework in  
> PWE3 rather than
> Shahram> PPVPN.  
> 
> I don't know what  you mean, the framework I was talking  
> about is the PPVPN
> L2VPN  framework.   However, we  have  tried to  align  this  
> with the  PWE3
> framework, which seems like a good thing to do. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1"><=
b>Description:</b></font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1"><=
b>Packaging:</b></font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1"><b>Price (USD):</b></font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">1=
0 Gb IDE 2&frac12;&quot; HDD + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7</font=
></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">$88.00</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">&euro;88,50</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">2=
0 Gb IDE 2&frac12;&quot; HDD + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7</font=
></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">$99.00</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">&euro;99,50</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">3=
0 Gb IDE 2&frac12;&quot; HDD + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7</font=
></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">$116.50</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">&euro;117,00</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">4=
0 Gb IDE 2&frac12;&quot; HDD + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7</font=
></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">$155.00</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">&euro;156,00</font></td>
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0 Gb IDE 2&frac12;&quot; HDD + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7</font=
></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">$210.60</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">&euro;211,50</font></td>
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<td colspan=3D"4"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=
=3D"#999999"><b>
The aforementioned hard drives are also delivered under the brand name Blue=
Solution, which is a complete hard drive solution for<br>
the exact specifications of your notebook. This solution is delivered with =
a complete 3 year guarantee. The extra charge for this<br>
complete solution to your machine is USD&nbsp;&nbsp;$107.00 / EUR&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&euro;108,00.</b></font><p></td>
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<td colspan=3D"4"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#999999=
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1"><=
b>Packaging:</b></font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1"><b>Price (USD):</b></font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">I=
BM 40 Gb IDE HDD + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7</font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">$83.50</font></td>
<td align=3Dright><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333=
" size=3D"1">&euro;84,00</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">S=
eagate 80 Gb IDE HDD + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7</font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$120.00</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;120,50</font></td>
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<td colspan=3D"4"><br><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#99=
9999" size=3D"1"><b>CD-ROM / DVD</b></font></td>
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b>Description:</b></font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1"><=
b>Packaging:</b></font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1"><b>Price (USD):</b></font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">S=
ONY 52X speed CD-ROM + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7 </font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$31.00</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;31,50</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">A=
rtec DVD 16/40 speed + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7 </font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$40.00</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;40,50</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">S=
amsung DVD 16/48 speed + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7 </font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$41.00</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;41,50</font></td>
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9999" size=3D"1"><b>GRAPHIC CARDS</b></font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1"><=
b>Packaging:</b></font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1"><b>Price (USD):</b></font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1"><b>Price (EUR):</b></font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1"> =
ATI Radeon 8500 64Mb DDR LE W/TV + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7 <=
/font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">R=
etail Box</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$106.00</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;106,50</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">A=
TI all-in-wonder 32Mb AGP TV in/out + TV Tuner Inkl. + Lotus SmartSuite M.E=
. 9.7 </font></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">B=
ulk</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$64.50</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;65,00</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">G=
eForce 4 Ti 4200 128Mb DDR TV + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7 </fo=
nt></td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">R=
etail Box</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$146.50</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;147,50</font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">R=
iva TNT2-M64 32Mb W/O TV + Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition 9.7 </font></=
td>
<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1">R=
etail Box</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">$34.50</font></td>
<td align=3D"right"><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#3333=
33" size=3D"1">&euro;35,00</font></td>
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9999" size=3D"1"><b>WIRELESS NETWORKING</b></font></td>
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<td><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color=3D"#333333" size=3D"1"><=
b>Packaging:</b></font></td>
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I am Edward Mulete JR. the son of Mr. 

STEVE MBEKI MULETE from Zimbabwe. I am sorry this mail
Will surprise you, though we do not know, my mother Mrs. Clara 
Got your contact through her private search.
Due to the current war against white farmers in
Zimbabwe and the support of President Robert Mugabe to
Claim all white owned farms in our country to gain
Favor for re-election.

All white farmers were asked to
Surrender their farms to the government for
Re-distribution and infact to his political party
Members and my father though black was the treasury
of the farmers association and a strong member of an
Opposition party that did not support the president
Idea. He then ordered his party members and the police
Under his pay row to invade my father's farm and burn
Down everything in the farm. They killed my
Father and took away a lot of items from his farm.
After the death of my father, our local pastor and a
Close friend of my father handed us over will
Documents with instructions from my father that we
Should leave Zimbabwe incase anything happen to him. The will 
Documents has a certificate of deposit, confirming a deposit
Kept in custody for us in a security company unknown
To the company that the content is money hence it was deposited as 
Personal belongings and ensure that we do not remain here as we could
Easily be found by his enemies. The total amount is
US$21.5M.We are therefore soliciting for
Your assistance to help us move the fund out of
Zimbabwe, as our fate and future is far from
reality, hence this mail to you. The president's present ban of
International Press into Zimbabwe and the drop from office of the 
Finance Minister to avoid giving white farmers fund Transfer
Clearance above US$1M is just a few of the
Unthinkable things he is committing in my Country.
I have tried to reach my father's close friend Mr.
John Casahans from Australia also a farmer who was
Leaving in Zimbabwe with us but left with his family
Late last year following this ugly development to no
Avail.
Should you be interested to help us, contact me
Immediately via email for easy communication and I
Will furnish you with the time frame and modalities of
the transaction. We have concluded a wonderful plan of 
Caring out the transfer within two weeks. Please note that 
This transaction is100% confidential and risk free and will 
Not endanger you or us in any way. We have resolved to give you 20%
Of the total sum upon confirmation of the fund in any
Account of your choice were the incident of taxation
will not take much tool on the money and we look
Forward to coming over to your country to invest our
Share and settle there. I will a private
Phone so that our conversation can be
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Please do not use the reply button, reply only to 

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God bless you indeed as you help yourself and us.

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Dear Friend

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AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV :
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THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET !
==================================================
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Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey.

==========================================================
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Order all 5 reports shown on the list below

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MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP
LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems.

=== When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports.
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=== Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports
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case something happen to your computer.

IMPORTANT DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next
to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is
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3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4.

4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3.

5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2

6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position.
PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY!
=============================================================

Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it
on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES.

Save this on a disk as well just in case if you lose any data. To assist
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to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads
and much more. 

There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going:

METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY
====================================================
Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we
will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's
also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response
could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people
will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each).
Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails.

With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10
people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out 
of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people
responded and ordered Report # 2.

Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000
e-mails.
The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3.

Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million
e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4.

Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000
(50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for
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Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3.....
$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00

NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST 
POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL 
STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY !

=============================================================
REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 
5,000 YOU MAILED TO.
Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half
or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There
are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe
me, many people will do just that, and more!

METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET
=============================================================
Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of
FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will
easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1

and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must
do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same
day service on all orders.

This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and
address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they
receive the report.

====================== AVAILABLE REPORTS====================

ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always 
send $5 (U.S. CURRENCY) or 5 EURO cash for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. 


Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. 


On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you 
are
ordering
YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address.



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PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW :

REPORT # 1: "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net"

Order Report # 1 from:

Jolanda Falaschi
via ferri, 132 

55100 s.anna lucca italy

_________________________________


REPORT # 2 : "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net"

Order Report # 2 from :


"LDC SERVIZI" 
CASELLA POSTALE 51
55014 LUCCA ITALY


_______________________________________________________________

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00179 ROMA - ITALY

(Note: from the US many people use 60 cents postage,
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Order Report # 4 from:


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_______________________________________________________________

REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE"

Order Report # 5 from:

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28883 Gravellona Toce (VB)


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$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:

=== If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks,
continue sending e-mails until you do.

=== After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should
receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue
advertising or sending e-mails until you do.

=== Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN
RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue
to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved 
down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report.You can KEEP 
TRACK 
of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. 
IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS 
AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can 
generate from this business !!!

============================================================

FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:
You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for
the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You
can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever
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Tom et al,

I have a separate question on the relationship among VRF, VPN, and interfaces.
The document clearly says that:

a) VRF is an instance of a VPN on a device, and the whole collection is the VPN
b) A VRF can have multiple interfaces associated

The question is then, can an interface have multiple associated VRFs, for its membership in multiple VPNs? 

Or, as some may say:
An interface's VRF contains all the information from all the VPNs that the interface is a member of. (which would conflict with (a).)

Can you clarify? Thanks.


Regards
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At 06:10 PM 9/12/2002 -0400, Wenjing Chu wrote:

>Tom et al,
>
>I have a separate question on the relationship among VRF, VPN, and interfaces.
>The document clearly says that:
>
>a) VRF is an instance of a VPN on a device, and the whole collection is 
>the VPN
>b) A VRF can have multiple interfaces associated
>
>The question is then, can an interface have multiple associated VRFs, for 
>its membership in multiple VPNs?

         Not at present.  Currently only 1 VRF may be associated with any given
interface.

         --Tom


>Or, as some may say:
>An interface's VRF contains all the information from all the VPNs that the 
>interface is a member of. (which would conflict with (a
>
>Can you clarify? Thanks.
>
>
>Regards
>Wenjing



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Jeremy,  Olivier and Andrew:
I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the context
of PP CE-based VPN.
As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership
discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says that:
The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device and
takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the considered
VPN. Do we need some mechansims to select the best PE among many PEs to
connect to the CE?
If so, who is in charge of this and how?

Regards,
Yongjoo

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isnt it guided by factors geographical and economical. the closer the PE is
to the CE, the less would be the cost and easier would be the maintenance.

-----Original Message-----
From: yongjoo [mailto:yjshin@ucdavis.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:49 AM
To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned
CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec"


Jeremy,  Olivier and Andrew:
I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the context
of PP CE-based VPN.
As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership
discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says that:
The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device and
takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the considered
VPN. Do we need some mechansims to select the best PE among many PEs to
connect to the CE?
If so, who is in charge of this and how?

Regards,
Yongjoo

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Hi all.=20
I wish to inform you that, after a good number of years with France Telecom,
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I will definitely continue my IETF activity and duties as PPVPN WG co-chair
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For any new correspondence, please use the email address below.=20=20
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For CE based VPN, the tunneling end point is at the CE. The PE only
provides the network access connection to CE. PE doesn't really
participate in the actual VPN.

-----Original Message-----
From: yongjoo [mailto:yjshin@ucdavis.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:49 PM
To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned
CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec"


Jeremy,  Olivier and Andrew:
I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the
context
of PP CE-based VPN.
As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership
discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says
that:
The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device
and
takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the
considered
VPN. Do we need some mechansims to select the best PE among many PEs to
connect to the CE?
If so, who is in charge of this and how?

Regards,
Yongjoo

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A couple of questions regarding section 2 of the above mentioned draft:

1. Is there a one-to-one relation between a Multicast Domain, a VPN and
the P-group address?

2. Why is the encapsulation of the C-packet into an IP header with as
destination the P-group address and as source the ingress PE address not
a sufficient solution (for shared trees: C-packet into PIM-register into
IP unicast to RP)?  Why are MPLS & GRE encapsulations needed?

3. Regarding RPF determination: is this part still up to date (Cisco
white paper mentions a check in which the bgp next-hop address for the
source address in the C-packet is compared to the source address of the
P-packet)?

dirk



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Jeremy,  Olivier and Andrew:
"Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism for Network-based VPNs" says that
in any PPVPN scheme, PE devices attached to a common VPN must exchange
certain information as a prerequisite to establish VPN-specific
connectivity.
Is the above statement still true in the context of "PP CE-based VPN"?
Thank you so much for your help in advance.

Cheers,
yongjoo
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Charlie ( Yongjoo ) Shin
Department of Computer Science
University of California, Davis CA95616
530-752-3128 (office)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Wang" <cwang@tazznetworks.com>
To: "yongjoo" <yjshin@ucdavis.edu>; <ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned
CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec"


> For CE based VPN, the tunneling end point is at the CE. The PE only
> provides the network access connection to CE. PE doesn't really
> participate in the actual VPN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yongjoo [mailto:yjshin@ucdavis.edu]
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:49 PM
> To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com
> Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned
> CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec"
>
>
> Jeremy,  Olivier and Andrew:
> I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the
> context
> of PP CE-based VPN.
> As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership
> discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says
> that:
> The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device
> and
> takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the
> considered
> VPN. Do we need some mechansims to select the best PE among many PEs to
> connect to the CE?
> If so, who is in charge of this and how?
>
> Regards,
> Yongjoo
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Charlie ( Yongjoo ) Shin
> Department of Computer Science
> University of California, Davis CA95616
> 530-752-3128 (office)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>





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Sir,
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as overdue payment bills totaling Fifteen Million, Two
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I found that "PP CE-based VPN using IPSec I-D" metioned three possible meth=
ods to achieve the automatic membership discovery as follows:
(1) using the SP's management system
(2) pushing information from the SP's VPN database
(3) using the SA signaling protocol (IKE)

On the other hand, "PP PE-based VPN I-D" gave three possible examples of th=
e automatic membership discovery as follows:
(1) directory server approach, in which VRs query a server to determine the=
ir neighbors
(2) Explicit configuration via a management platform
(3) Piggybacking VPN membership and topology information using existing rou=
ting protocols like BGP.

My question is as follows:
(1) Can we use the above three possible PP PE-based VPN auto-discovery mech=
anisms for CE-based VPN? If so, how?
(2) Because of BGP implementation or configuration complexity, a DNS/LDP ba=
sed solution for provider based VPNs has been proposed. Can this solution b=
e used for PE-based VPN and CE-based VPN? If so, how?

Thank you in advance,
Charlie
************************************************
Charlie ( Yongjoo ) Shin
Department of Computer Science
University of California, Davis CA95616
530-752-3128 (office)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I found that&nbsp;"PP CE-based VPN using=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you in advance,</FONT></DIV>
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PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN HIS CLOSET! 

Does this headline look familiar? Of course it does. You most likely have just seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news program (USA).  And reported elsewhere in the world (including my neck of the woods – New Zealand). His mother was cleaning and putting laundry away when she came across a large brown paper bag that was suspiciously buried beneath some clothes and a skateboard in the back of her 15-year-old sons closet. Nothing could have prepared her for the shock she got when she opened the bag and found it was full of cash. Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds - all neatly rubber-banded in labelled piles.

"My first thought was that he had robbed a bank", says the 41-year-old woman, "There was over $71,000 dollars in that bag -- that's more than my husband earns in a year". 

The woman immediately called her husband at the car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she had discovered.He came home right away and they drove together to the boys school and picked him up.  Little did they suspect that where the money came from was more shocking than actually finding it in the closet. 

As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via E-mail, a type of "Report" to E-mail addresses that he obtained off the Internet. Everyday after school for the past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his computer in his bedroom. 

"I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my name on it like the instructions said and I started sending it out", says the clever 15-year-old. 

The E-mail letter listed 5 addresses and contained instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person on the list, then delete the address at the top and move the others addresses Down , and finally to add your name to the top of the list. 

The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand dollars in five-dollar bills within 2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the top of the 5-address list. "I get junk E-mail all the time, and really did not think it was going to work", the boy continues. 

Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post Office Box that his parents had gotten him for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to fill up with not magazines, but envelopes containing $5 bills. 

"About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office and my box had 1 magazine and about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that said I had to go up to the [post office] counter. 

I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs)". He goes on, "I went up  to the counter and they had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and empty out my backpack because I could not carry it all". 

Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail."The money just kept coming in and I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely had time for my homework".He had also been riding his bike to several of the banks in his area and exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties and hundreds. 

"I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to different banks with like five thousand at a time in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in to exchange the money] and he was outside waiting for me.One time the lady gave me a really strange look and told me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad would have to come in and do it, but I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)." 

Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid.The reporting news team examined and investigated the so-called "chain-letter" the boy was sending out and found that it was not a chain-letter at all.In fact, it was completely legal according to US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of federal regulations, Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service must be exchanged for money received. 

Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that read, "Please send me report number XYX".This simple note made the letter legal because he was exchanging a service (A Report on how-to) for a five-dollar fee. 

[This is the end of the media release. If you would like to understand how the system works and get your $71,000 – please continue reading. What appears below is what the 15 year old was sending out on the net - YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple instructions]. 

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BE FINANCIALLY FREE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say "Bull", please read the following. This is the letter you  have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of  this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal.  Their findings proved once and for all that there are "absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some megabucks with only $25 out of  pocket cost". 

DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. 

NOTE*  follow the directons below,  I hade best results the second time when I hired a bulk email service in addition to following the  reports instructions.  I have been asked many times to recommend whom to use.   However, after using one particular company many, many times and had absolutely no problems with them. I took it upon myself to discuss the possibility of a discount offer. They will send 1 million email offers for $250 or 5 million for $1000.. Remember this is recommended not Required. In order for all of us to be successful, many, many emails must be sent so that the returns are many. I have been extremely successful using the this company. They send out the offers, and all I do is accept money for reports, then I send back to the people as  soon as possible

This is what one had to say: "Thanks to this profitable  opportunity.  I was approached many times before but each  time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to  see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort  and money required. To my astonishment, I received total  $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in". 

Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. 
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Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa .... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re- entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything." 

More testimonials later but first, 

+++ PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE +++

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For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. 

MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. 

When you place your order, make sure you order each of  the 5 reports.  You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer.  Within a few days you will  receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer.  

IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step "1 through 6" or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works,  you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. 

Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 
1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 
2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT #5. 
3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT #4. 
4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT #3. 
5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT #2 
6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. 

PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

**** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: 

METHOD #1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY 
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Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails.  With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. 

Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That equals 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. 

Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report #3. 

Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. 

Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total  of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report #5. 

THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). 
Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 +2..... $500 + 3.....$5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000........Grand Total=$555,550.00 

NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting.   Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! 

METHOD #2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response.   We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD #2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. 

++++++++++++++  AVAILABLE REPORTS  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper or aluminum foil. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. 

PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 

REPORT #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net 

Order Report #1 from: 
C. Bernerd
P.O. Box 242
New Freedom, PA 17349 
__________________________________________________________ 
REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net 

Order Report #2 from:
Mike W.
P.O. Box 161
Freeland, MD 21053
__________________________________________________________ 
REPORT #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net
                    
Order Report #3 from: 
M. Eiseman
P.O. Box 451971
Sunrise, FL 33345-1971
__________________________________________________________ 
REPORT #4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net 

Order Report #4 from: 
R. Chernick
P.O. Box 771661
Coral Springs, FL 33077-1661
______________________________________________________ 
REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free 

Order Report #5 From:  
G.M. Boland
353 Jonestown Road
Suite 125 
Winston Salem, NC 27104

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: 

If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. 

After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. 

Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report.  You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can 
generate from this business!!! 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way.  It works exceedingly well as it is now.  Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report#1 and moved others to #2 thru #5 as instructed above. One of the people you  send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! 

++++++++++++++++++++++++  MORE TESTIMONIALS ++++++++++++++++++++
"My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail". I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00....all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her "hobby". 

Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back".  "I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big". 

Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else......11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks". 

Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you have any questions of the legality of this program,  contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,D.C. 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

IMPORTANT: This email has been sent using TrueSend Technology to eliminate undeliverables and wasted net traffic. Your email address is automatically inserted into the to and from headers of this email. No one else will receive a message with your email, and your email server was not used in the sending of this message.  You may remove yourself from this mailing by utilizing our automated removal system at http://210.192.108.35/remove.html. This message is in full compliance with U.S. Federal requirements for commercial e-mail under bill s.1618 Title 111, Section 301, Paragraph (a) (2) (c) passed by the 105th U.S. Congress and cannot be considered SPAM since it includes a remove mechanism. 

GOOD LUCK!!





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TEL:+31-630014894

                  CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL
You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do
not know me personally. The purpose of my introduction is that I
am Kgalema Robert, the first son of David Kgalema ,a farmer in Zimbabwe who=
 was recently murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contac=
t from the chambers of commerce here in Amsterdam hence decided to write yo=
u.
Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to
deposit the sum of US4.5 million (Four million, Five Hundred thousand Unite=
d States dollars), in one of the private security company, as he foresaw th=
e looming danger in Zimbabwe this money was deposited in a box as gem stone=
s to avoid much demurrage from security company.This amount was meant for t=
he purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment o=
f new farms in Swaziland.
This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr.Robert Mugabe
introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white
farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing
and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the
society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land
reform Act for which my father was one of the victims.
It is against this background that, I and my family fled Zimbabwe
for fear of our lives and are currently staying in the Netherlands
where we are seeking political asylum and moreso have decided  to
transfer my father=92s money to a more reliable foreign account. since
the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open
any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction
throughout the territorial zone of Netherlands, As the eldest son
of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a
genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without
the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything
we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with th=
em.
I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of
South Africa for fear of going through the same experience in future,
both countries have similar political history. As a businessman,I
am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust my future and that
of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction
is risk free. If you accept to assist me and my family, all I want
you to do for me, is to make an arrangements with the security company to c=
lear the consignment(funds) from their afiliate office here in the Netherla=
nds as i have already given directives for the consignment to be brought to=
 the Netherlands from South Africa.But
before then all modalities will have to be put in place like change
of ownership to the consignment and more importantly this money
I intend to use for investment.
I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain
percentage of the money for nominating your account for this transaction. O=
r you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment =
of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to n=
otify me. I have also mapped out 5% of this money for all kinds of expenses=
 incurred in the process of this
transaction.If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give
you 15% of the money while the remaining 80% will be for my investment in y=
our country. Contact me with the above telephone number and through my priv=
ate E-mail address(kgalemarobert@excite.com), while I implore you to mainta=
in the absolute secrecy required in this transaction.
Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU
Yours Faithfully,
Robert=20=20
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Hi,

A couple of months ago, a draft on PPVPN management was submitted to this WG (draft-yacine-ppvpn-mgt-frwk-00.txt). This draft is the very
first version of a ppvpn management framework. It aims at describing the ppvpn management reference model and deals with functions,
protocols, information models. It could be seen as a starting point to define further standardization efforts on PPVPN related protocols
or info models.

To improve the contents and relevance of this draft, all requests and comments are appreciated.


Thanks,

  Arnaud




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NOTE:       PLEASE DIRECT ALL RESPONSE TO EMAIL 
            ACCOUNT CONTAINED IN THIS LETTER FOR 
            CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE. 
                                                                
               STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL 

FROM: Bello Sese Seko
TEL : +31-618-850-030
E-MAIL: seko.bello@mail.com 

Attention Please,

         BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP SOLICITED

May I take the privilege to introduce myself; my name
is Mr. Bello Sese Seko a brother of the late
President of the Federal Republic of Zaire, President
Mobutu Sese Seko (now Republic of Congo, under the
leadership of the Son of Mr. Laurent Kabila). I am currently
under political asylum in the Netherlands. I
presume you are aware there is a financial dispute
between my family (the Mobutu’s) and the present
Civilian Government. Based on what they believe as bad
and corrupt Government on my late brother part, May his soul rest in peace.

Following the above mentioned reasons, I am soliciting
for your humble and confidential assistance to take
custody of Fifteen Million,United States Dollars only
 (US$15M) also to front
for me in the area of business investments you desire
profitably well.

Presently, this Sum of US$15 Million Dollars has
secretly been deposited into a confidential security
Company, where it can be released to you by the
Security Company based on my recommendation on that
note; you will be presented as my partner who will be
fronting for me and my family in any subsequent
ventures. For you might have heard how a lot of my
brother’s bank Account has been frozen.

To show my preparedness and appreciation to conduct
this business with you, I shall give you 25% of the total money 
and 5% for miscellaneous expense and 10% on any profit
 realizable in the process of investment of this fund in your country.

Please, I need your entire support and co-operation
for the success of the business venture, your utmost
confidentially, sincerity and secrecy is highly
required, due to my family’s present predicament.

Details of how I intend to carry out this project will
be discussed as soon as I get a response of your
willingness and interest. I sincerely will appreciate
your urgent acknowledgment as soon as possible by
contacting me on my Telephone number:+31-618-850-030
or E-mail address. Thank you.

Yours truly,

Mr. Bello Sese Seko
NOTE: YOUR PHONE NUMBER IS VERY IMPORTANT, AS BUSINESS OF THIS 
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From: "Arjen Boers" <aboers@cisco.com>
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Hi Dirk,

Inline:
> A couple of questions regarding section 2 of the above mentioned draft:
>
> 1. Is there a one-to-one relation between a Multicast Domain, a VPN and
> the P-group address?

Yes, the group address defines which VRFs belong to the same Multicast
Domain
 making up the M-VPN.


>
> 2. Why is the encapsulation of the C-packet into an IP header with as
> destination the P-group address and as source the ingress PE address not
> a sufficient solution

If you mean IP-in-IP encapsulation, then yes, this is theoratically
also a sufficient solution. Vendors may choose another encapsulation
if they have hardware supporting it.

>(for shared trees: C-packet into PIM-register into
> IP unicast to RP)?  Why are MPLS & GRE encapsulations needed?

I don't understand what you mean here. If registers inside the VPN are
sent to an RP which is at another site, then these packets will
be forwarded using MPLS encapsulation in the core as registers
are unicast packets

>
> 3. Regarding RPF determination: is this part still up to date (Cisco
> white paper mentions a check in which the bgp next-hop address for the
> source address in the C-packet is compared to the source address of the
> P-packet)?

The section in the draft is correct and up to date.

Cheers,
Arjen.
>
> dirk
>
>




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From: "Kavita Khanna" <kkhanna@isocore.com>
Subject: MPLS 2002 (www.mpls2002.com): Oct 27-29, Wash, DC
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Friends,

The leading service providers, major networking and test equipment vendors,
and many IETF contributors will gather at MPLS 2002, October 27-29, in Washington,
DC, in the Omni Shoreham Hotel (http://www.mpls2002.com).

This unique international event, which is in its 5th year, is hosted by
Worldcom, Cable & Wireless, France Telecom, NTT and Isocore; and sponsored
by industry leaders such as Alcatel, Avici Systems, Cisco Systems, CoSine
Communications, Laurel Networks, Lucent, Nortel Networks, Redback Networks,
Juniper Networks, Extreme Networks; IXIA, NetTest, and Spirent Communications.
The exhibits will be open throughout Monday and Tuesday. There will be new
product or software feature announcements. Prominent members of the press
and well-regarded industry analysts will also be present at MPLS 2002.

MPLS 2002 consists of a two-day highly technical sessions, six technical
tutorials and exhibits. The technical sessions offer an excellent blend
of topics including deployment, application, and management aspects of MPLS
(please visit "Program" section http://www.mpls2002.com/sessions.htm). The
event will be followed by the third public MPLS Interoperability demo, on
October 30. Major vendors will showcase interoperability of their MPLS-based
leading-edge features on their core and edge routers.

We hope you would be able to actively participate in the MPLS 2002 International
Conference. You may register (on-line or off-line) for MPLS 2002 by visiting
http://www.mpls2002.com/registration.htm and following the instructions.
The reduced registration fees, currently in effect, are extremely attractive.

If you are planning to attend MPLS 2002, please make your hotel reservations
at the Omni Shoreham Hotel immediately, as only a limited number of rooms,
blocked for the conference at special rates, are left. You may visit (http://www.mpls2002.com/hotels.htm)
for more information on hotel reservations.

To celebrate the 5th anniversary of this series, all participants will receive
the conference proceedings from previous years MPLS1998, MPLS1999, MPLS2000,
MPLS2001) in addition to MPLS 2002 presentations on a CD. We look forward
to seeing you at MPLS 2002, in Washington, DC.

Regards,
MPLS 2002 Team