From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Nov 10 11:55:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E561F0C38 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.885 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.885 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.286, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qybhIktAfBy2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B5721F8B5E for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-64-101-72-206.cisco.com (unknown [64.101.72.206]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BA73404FF for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:01:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4EBC2C3C.8000107@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:55:40 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "precis@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:55:43 -0000 A draft of my slides can be found here: http://www.saint-andre.com/ietf/ietf82-precis-framework.pdf Comments are welcome, or we can discuss in Taipei. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Thu Nov 10 14:43:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6643121F87C2 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:43:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.427 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.427 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xXOwTQGqfZrx for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0983521F87D9 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fa48:6e6b:c280:287f:38ca:1709:5d0d] (unknown [IPv6:2607:fa48:6e6b:c280:287f:38ca:1709:5d0d]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41C1920D2A; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:42:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: <4EBC2C3C.8000107@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:42:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EBC2C3C.8000107@stpeter.im> To: Peter Saint-Andre X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:43:04 -0000 - thanks Peter. - uploaded to IETF proceedings: = http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/precis-0.pdf Marc. Le 2011-11-10 =E0 14:55, Peter Saint-Andre a =E9crit : > A draft of my slides can be found here: >=20 > http://www.saint-andre.com/ietf/ietf82-precis-framework.pdf >=20 > Comments are welcome, or we can discuss in Taipei. >=20 > Peter >=20 > --=20 > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis From dthaler@microsoft.com Thu Nov 10 17:10:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B5A21F849E for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:10:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.604 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.604 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IhoBOKRyOIBO for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (mailc.microsoft.com [131.107.115.214]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B3021F8497 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from TK5EX14HUBC104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.80.25) by TK5-EXGWY-E803.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.169) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.176.0; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:10:05 -0800 Received: from TK5EX14MLTW651.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com (157.54.71.39) by TK5EX14HUBC104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.80.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.3; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:10:05 -0800 Received: from TK5EX14MBXW601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([169.254.1.162]) by TK5EX14MLTW651.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([157.54.71.39]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.003; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:09:23 -0800 From: Dave Thaler To: Marc Blanchet , Peter Saint-Andre Thread-Topic: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework Thread-Index: AQHMn+LCkwLdVBgZH0aCGQ2iS7vzTZWnOmUA//+iKFA= Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:09:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9B57C850BB53634CACEC56EF4853FF653B2ECC4E@TK5EX14MBXW601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <4EBC2C3C.8000107@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [157.54.51.41] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:10:06 -0000 Slide 3 asks the question about subclasses, but I don't see any mention of = the other question I asked in the same email: whether we should add the=20 concept of a complex class for a string with multiple parts, each of which has a different class. Personally I think we should define such a concept in the framework because many of the commonly used identifiers (email addresses, URIs, etc.) are=20 complex in that way. -Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: precis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:precis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of > Marc Blanchet > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:43 AM > To: Peter Saint-Andre > Cc: precis@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework >=20 > - thanks Peter. > - uploaded to IETF proceedings: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/precis-0.pdf >=20 > Marc. >=20 > Le 2011-11-10 =E0 14:55, Peter Saint-Andre a =E9crit : >=20 > > A draft of my slides can be found here: > > > > http://www.saint-andre.com/ietf/ietf82-precis-framework.pdf > > > > Comments are welcome, or we can discuss in Taipei. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter Saint-Andre > > https://stpeter.im/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > precis mailing list > > precis@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis >=20 > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Nov 10 17:36:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA4211E808C for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:36:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82vsQv7Oppat for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D48611E8087 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from squire.local (unknown [216.17.140.216]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D47EA41FC7; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:42:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4EBC7BF4.6070807@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:35:48 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Thaler References: <4EBC2C3C.8000107@stpeter.im> <9B57C850BB53634CACEC56EF4853FF653B2ECC4E@TK5EX14MBXW601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <9B57C850BB53634CACEC56EF4853FF653B2ECC4E@TK5EX14MBXW601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:36:11 -0000 I suppose I see a complex class as a kind of subclass, but I might not have understood your point. That sounds like a good topic to discuss at the WG session next week. :) On 11/10/11 6:09 PM, Dave Thaler wrote: > Slide 3 asks the question about subclasses, but I don't see any mention of the > other question I asked in the same email: whether we should add the > concept of a complex class for a string with multiple parts, each of which > has a different class. > > Personally I think we should define such a concept in the framework because > many of the commonly used identifiers (email addresses, URIs, etc.) are > complex in that way. > > -Dave > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: precis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:precis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Marc Blanchet >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:43 AM >> To: Peter Saint-Andre >> Cc: precis@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework >> >> - thanks Peter. >> - uploaded to IETF proceedings: >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/precis-0.pdf >> >> Marc. >> >> Le 2011-11-10 à 14:55, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : >> >>> A draft of my slides can be found here: >>> >>> http://www.saint-andre.com/ietf/ietf82-precis-framework.pdf >>> >>> Comments are welcome, or we can discuss in Taipei. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Saint-Andre >>> https://stpeter.im/ >>> From dthaler@microsoft.com Thu Nov 10 17:44:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF55B11E8087 for ; 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Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:47:19 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:47:17 +0900 From: Yoshiro YONEYA To: precis@ietf.org Message-Id: <20111111104717.1f8d9cfe.yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [precis] draft slides for precis mappings X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:47:22 -0000 Dear all, [as an individual] I put draft slides for mappings on the following: Your comments are welcome prior and during Taipei meeting :-) Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Thu Nov 10 18:25:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B8611E808F for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:25:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FMeUduN7sYOa for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690FD11E8080 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fa48:6e6b:c280:704a:69a0:4ce9:626] (unknown [IPv6:2607:fa48:6e6b:c280:704a:69a0:4ce9:626]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C153E20D24; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:25:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: <20111111104717.1f8d9cfe.yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:25:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <824B2C96-B3A5-46E5-B313-4FBB9C4B7ED8@viagenie.ca> References: <20111111104717.1f8d9cfe.yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> To: Yoshiro YONEYA X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis mappings X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:25:38 -0000 - thanks Yoneya-san. - uploaded to IETF proceedings page: = http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/precis-1.pdf Marc. Le 2011-11-10 =E0 20:47, Yoshiro YONEYA a =E9crit : > Dear all, >=20 > [as an individual] >=20 > I put draft slides for mappings on the following: > >=20 > Your comments are welcome prior and during Taipei meeting :-) >=20 > Regards, >=20 > --=20 > Yoshiro YONEYA >=20 > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis From stpeter@stpeter.im Mon Nov 14 16:16:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF8011E80B7 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:16:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e3GwL0IFc8L5 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC2111E80D0 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-15ab.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.21.171]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99BDC4216E; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:22:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4EC1AF4A.1080609@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:16:10 +0800 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Thaler References: <4EBC2C3C.8000107@stpeter.im> <9B57C850BB53634CACEC56EF4853FF653B2ECC4E@TK5EX14MBXW601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <4EBC7BF4.6070807@stpeter.im> <9B57C850BB53634CACEC56EF4853FF653B2ECDC1@TK5EX14MBXW601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <9B57C850BB53634CACEC56EF4853FF653B2ECDC1@TK5EX14MBXW601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:16:15 -0000 I see your point. :) BTW I've updated my slides here: http://www.saint-andre.com/ietf/ietf82-precis-framework.pdf On 11/11/11 9:42 AM, Dave Thaler wrote: > What's it a subclass of? > If it's a subclass of FreeClass, then so is NameClass. > So you could define the concept of a subclass, say FreeClass is the base class, > and then define subclasses, including NameClass and possibly others. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:stpeter@stpeter.im] >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:36 AM >> To: Dave Thaler >> Cc: Marc Blanchet; precis@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework >> >> I suppose I see a complex class as a kind of subclass, but I might not have >> understood your point. That sounds like a good topic to discuss at the WG >> session next week. :) >> >> On 11/10/11 6:09 PM, Dave Thaler wrote: >>> Slide 3 asks the question about subclasses, but I don't see any >>> mention of the other question I asked in the same email: whether we >>> should add the concept of a complex class for a string with multiple >>> parts, each of which has a different class. >>> >>> Personally I think we should define such a concept in the framework >>> because many of the commonly used identifiers (email addresses, URIs, >>> etc.) are complex in that way. >>> >>> -Dave >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: precis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:precis-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Marc Blanchet >>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:43 AM >>>> To: Peter Saint-Andre >>>> Cc: precis@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis-framework >>>> >>>> - thanks Peter. >>>> - uploaded to IETF proceedings: >>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/precis-0.pdf >>>> >>>> Marc. >>>> >>>> Le 2011-11-10 à 14:55, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : >>>> >>>>> A draft of my slides can be found here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.saint-andre.com/ietf/ietf82-precis-framework.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Comments are welcome, or we can discuss in Taipei. >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter Saint-Andre >>>>> https://stpeter.im/ >>>>> > -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue Nov 15 17:17:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB6B11E80BA for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:17:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.63 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.160, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id js8iJjmjvKxg for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1616611E80BB for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id pAG1HDqi000752 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:17:13 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 5712_3def_b711b65c_0ff0_11e1_ac80_001d096c5782; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:17:13 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:56955) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:17:17 +0900 Message-ID: <4EC30F15.2020109@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:17:09 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Blanchet References: <20111111104717.1f8d9cfe.yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> <824B2C96-B3A5-46E5-B313-4FBB9C4B7ED8@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <824B2C96-B3A5-46E5-B313-4FBB9C4B7ED8@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] draft slides for precis mappings X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 01:17:23 -0000 I have looked at the draft, and the slides. I'd expect mappings for NFC and NFKC. I'd also think that it might be a good idea to look at partial NFKC mappings, based on the labels that the UnicodeData.txt file contains. The width mapping that's proposed on the slides could be subsumed as a partial NFKC mapping. As for case mapping, there may be a need for more than one. As we have learned with quite some pain with IDNA 2003 and IDNA 2008, there's quite a difference between the case mapping that's best for searching (map final sigma to sigma, German sz to ss,...) and the mapping that's best for identifiers (don't include the above). Regards, Martin. On 2011/11/11 11:25, Marc Blanchet wrote: > - thanks Yoneya-san. > - uploaded to IETF proceedings page: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/precis-1.pdf > > Marc. > > Le 2011-11-10 à 20:47, Yoshiro YONEYA a écrit : > >> Dear all, >> >> [as an individual] >> >> I put draft slides for mappings on the following: >> >> >> Your comments are welcome prior and during Taipei meeting :-) >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Yoshiro YONEYA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> precis mailing list >> precis@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis > > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis > From yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp Mon Nov 21 22:22:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2EF21F8AEE for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:22:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.904 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.904 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5q3U4Zssum9m for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from send11.jprs.co.jp (send11.jprs.co.jp [IPv6:2001:df0:8:6::62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4A621F8AEC for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sendsms11.jprs.co.jp (sendsms11.jprs.co.jp [202.11.17.111]) by send11.jprs.co.jp (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAM6MlFI013472 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:22:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from sendsms11.jprs.co.jp (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sendsms11.jprs.co.jp (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 2238A3857 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:22:47 +0900 (JST) X-AuditID: ca0b116f-0000000400002865-92-4ecb3fb6413d Received: from NOTE550 (off-cpu04.tyo.jprs.co.jp [172.18.4.14]) by sendsms11.jprs.co.jp (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A825D3852 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:22:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:22:44 +0900 From: Yoshiro YONEYA To: precis@ietf.org Message-Id: <20111122152244.ce4803d2.yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [precis] IETF82 Taipei minutes X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:22:51 -0000 Dear all, Minutes of IETF 82 Taipei was uploaded on proceedings page. Please review and give your comments to the chairs. Marc & Yoneya, co-chairs -- Yoshiro YONEYA