From stpeter@stpeter.im Mon Mar 4 13:27:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69E021F8718 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:27:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KWmBgpXi5K5Y for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345B721F87D3 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.129.24.65] (unknown [128.107.239.234]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 721104004E; Mon, 4 Mar 2013 14:35:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <513511AB.9060105@stpeter.im> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:27:07 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoshiro YONEYA References: <20130226135559.8501a3bd772760842f4df5be@jprs.co.jp> <512C46AE.4050005@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <512C46AE.4050005@stpeter.im> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] IETF86 Orlando draft agenda X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 21:27:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2/25/13 10:22 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 2/25/13 9:55 PM, Yoshiro YONEYA wrote: >> Dear all, > >> Following is draft agenda for IETF 86 Orlando. Please send >> comments/additions/changes to the chairs. > >> 1. Administrativia > >> 2. Document updates / Discussion 2.1 WG I-Ds (1) Framework >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-framework/ > > See below. > >> (2) Preparation and Comparison of Nicknames >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-nickname/ > > No open issues here AFAIK. > >> (3) Mapping characters for precis classes >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-mappings/ > >> (4) Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings >> Representing Simple User Names and Passwords >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis/ > > I see one major issue with saslprepbis, raised by Chris Newman, > about whether to allow IDNA characters in NameClass. See recent > list discussion. I think we need to discuss this in person at the > Orlando meeting. Note that this has an impact on the framework, > too. I've created a few slides for that discussion: https://stpeter.im/files/ietf86-precis-issues.pdf Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRNRGqAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pJl8P+gNPJhLZSWTA5YCGrwG+/+4d DKUPTsgXRxDwDWujnWZoBYiGDdKGmDin9r6qOdkYslgH30K3CRkK/crEEBo4hmlw +EiHA4oYSFRQay2zWuNEy5auYhSTtHOgDWSqDei9Qh6GIT5jbTM0KP0+vHL7GNDs VmsU56HfHLQpUez7OvQoau1z+U+fukPLoi8EKMDYxulAs2J6I3SdTuzGOIJFFEnA U/JI3Mnm3E1uh5gJ9Y/TTJ+VGj/QJGmi24mR/p7OJYLto62Ez0XFX+QWXPYRig1+ UDKCe/dco7xIGd2uhjGv8UQMd5TrGGSXob41S7PV0I3W3SEP3OL3sVldpLYSUgiw PPk2IJDNCIQHLYx1+ZsRAvU7Ot9VMfl2PSUcq/obIcUrafQCbkCAfSMpriGaYE3K ppm1TKwsYIbj2NLzpxe+nRP7UhVgqRhJqtAPJN13bcD8a+k9fBMl1ZiepPv/nyBA 2mHEoRH/uN+r//F4aQKWUiyxW23JKN5iZLFbHbMowH92mwJ7XVb500gKRtwqqyqB ky00kyqiPqPwD2oQHVt1AErT1n9UwuvkCEG2UB4TG9n3r74n0VtmtZNTRUlYxATV uYZQnJ4iS18EZ5UO9SB07d6+euifPrDHW0AZAB5jHUBpdE9QUQcOTDi0CXmFCdgR CfBKB5UZ97KaaAt8QiH6 =q5kx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Thu Mar 14 11:56:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6024D11E8142 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:56:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iL4JtG7Gushc for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02D311E80F2 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-51e2.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-51e2.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.81.226]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A19B40439 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:55:40 -0400 To: "precis@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Subject: [precis] ietf86 precis meeting minutes X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:56:15 -0000 hello, minutes of our today meeting posted. Thanks for everybody who = contributed the minutes. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/minutes/minutes-86-precis Please send any mods to the wg chairs (precis-chairs@tools.ietf.org) Marc&Yoneya.= From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Thu Mar 14 12:46:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8170D11E819E; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:46:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kHOqdGzozq71; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C6E11E8166; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 890B5B1E005; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:45:51 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20130314194551.890B5B1E005@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: precis@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [precis] RFC 6885 on Stringprep Revision and Problem Statement for the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings (PRECIS) X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:46:14 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6885 Title: Stringprep Revision and Problem Statement for the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings (PRECIS) Author: M. Blanchet, A. Sullivan Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: March 2013 Mailbox: Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.ca, asullivan@dyn.com Pages: 34 Characters: 72167 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-precis-problem-statement-09.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6885.txt If a protocol expects to compare two strings and is prepared only for those strings to be ASCII, then using Unicode code points in those strings requires they be prepared somehow. Internationalizing Domain Names in Applications (here called IDNA2003) defined and used Stringprep and Nameprep. Other protocols subsequently defined Stringprep profiles. A new approach different from Stringprep and Nameprep is used for a revision of IDNA2003 (called IDNA2008). Other Stringprep profiles need to be similarly updated, or a replacement of Stringprep needs to be designed. This document outlines the issues to be faced by those designing a Stringprep replacement. This document is a product of the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp Thu Mar 14 13:05:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E911E80F2 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:05:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GzloV7XmAaeU for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from off-send01.tyo.jprs.co.jp (off-send01.tyo.jprs.co.jp [IPv6:2001:df0:8:17::10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A80D11E80D7 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from off-sendsmg01.tyo.jprs.co.jp (off-sendsmg01.tyo.jprs.co.jp [172.18.8.32]) by off-send01.tyo.jprs.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2EK5Igi017109 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 05:05:18 +0900 X-AuditID: ac120820-b7fec6d000005acc-71-51422d7d31a0 Received: from NOTE336 (off-cpu04.tyo.jprs.co.jp [172.18.4.14]) by off-sendsmg01.tyo.jprs.co.jp (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 75.AE.23244.D7D22415; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 05:05:18 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 05:05:11 +0900 From: Yoshiro YONEYA To: precis@ietf.org Message-Id: <20130315050511.03181c15b2dee64025dd6366@jprs.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <20130314194551.890B5B1E005@rfc-editor.org> References: <20130314194551.890B5B1E005@rfc-editor.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrDIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsWyRoiFT7dO1ynQYMciHotd3/+wOjB6LFny kymAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoEr421nL3vBarGKtWtvMzcw/hfoYuTkkBAwkVg85RIrhC0mceHe erYuRi4OIYHjjBLfzq5hAUmwCKhKTJv5nQ3EZhMwkPi17DcTiC0iICxx6/ZCsGZhgWlADSu1 QGxeAQeJXd9nAcU5ODgFLCRW/EoBMYUEzCWWn0iDWGUhcaGpgx0kzCsgKPF3hzBImFlAS+Lh r1ssELa8xPa3c5gnMPLNQqiahaRqFpKqBYzMqxhl8tPSdItT81KKc9MNDPVKKvP1sgqKivWS QfQmRnBgcSjsYJxxyuAQowAHoxIPL+Nbx0Ah1sSy4srcQ4ySHExKoryP1J0ChfiS8lMqMxKL M+KLSnNSiw8xSnAwK4nw7voLVM6bklhZlVqUD5OS5mBREuc9fnaHn5BAemJJanZqakFqEUxW hoNDSYJXVAdoqGBRanpqRVpmTglCmomDE2Q4D9BwVpAa3uKCxNzizHSI/ClGSSlxXl2QhABI IqM0D673FaM40AvCEG08wCQB1/UKaCAT0MD0HHuQgSWJCCmpBkadx0drchauYdKN+jUpc/FL hcesdpsXOclc2Hv9hervW6fSWuur9R5kTDn7oe35871aZdrhbDv4I3b8/n2lojPsSqHXPaHd 7yr+XT2kHlY1V7LS4+SjcoPKufYTvpx1640OaG0vbd4a/Xmiy9EZ6jWzmnVjgu65361j4Gd0 Mz4qmeYg8nP1l21KLMUZiYZazEXFiQCK0EklzwIAAA== Subject: Re: [precis] RFC 6885 on Stringprep Revision and Problem Statement for the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings (PRECIS) X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:05:20 -0000 We've achieved the first RFC! Appreciate co-authors' and WG members' hard work. Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:45:51 -0700 (PDT) rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 6885 > > Title: Stringprep Revision and Problem Statement > for the Preparation and Comparison of > Internationalized Strings (PRECIS) > Author: M. Blanchet, A. Sullivan > Status: Informational > Stream: IETF > Date: March 2013 > Mailbox: Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.ca, > asullivan@dyn.com > Pages: 34 > Characters: 72167 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-ietf-precis-problem-statement-09.txt > > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6885.txt > > If a protocol expects to compare two strings and is prepared only for > those strings to be ASCII, then using Unicode code points in those > strings requires they be prepared somehow. Internationalizing Domain > Names in Applications (here called IDNA2003) defined and used > Stringprep and Nameprep. Other protocols subsequently defined > Stringprep profiles. A new approach different from Stringprep and > Nameprep is used for a revision of IDNA2003 (called IDNA2008). Other > Stringprep profiles need to be similarly updated, or a replacement of > Stringprep needs to be designed. This document outlines the issues > to be faced by those designing a Stringprep replacement. > > This document is a product of the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings Working Group of the IETF. > > > INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. > It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:03:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 During the WG session last week, I got the sense that people find the term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I represent my name using the NameClass?!"). Thus I propose changing it to "SafeClass". Any objections? Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRR0xQAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pZr4P+wXFQEcZ7SpRO6q3SSqSgIlA spqEa6I6/i31D92lvolDOrxdTyXUKxSJ9P6BGKprVh5SqCZhLhvmiJH3lMdOpI77 nZGpHXpuYw4GNXM9B/CQ2YkLRnsKDVdC1gCNn02ArSAv/6+yyfl7j9LQPEldtqC2 silmNhE0D00LRZIK+QnIy45Ngy/D6Uo0v8LFYu6LGO9fm3N2FT6h5hG+utjkvnm/ fs4RGvqR9tGW8MWsiYlE4HFuInl5QEzk96B4T4XagcQo/cM9yTtgCvHCnYByA7kk vt6r0EHRx0s6WNhV32uiNTNUReNolSOLuabaHJAKA34E1/Lv32qq/4SOdsSzQ5OP kAhOJzFCiuLd1PQ7n/An/8XxqfylMM6+qjp2y8Ma7fyfsn1q+VG91V5Hl9l5ARqD CI5yuchoQ9RyBKIh58iXXhis8kW5amX3OjN2MxwUpxyJg772EKgPVuHWgPOVaql/ tgRlJrhyb/3zCK2MRm+iaddBUC7kxyJuI6Jq43GyISUOjjUuDjFYobrwv+6zrLtH 1P21K9UDMFYWkZMzrYO6mdaQkE7YaCTBgrzyTUV3NniXqLC000V9odRK76+oRNVd lWLXHA+PFWJCmXhC0ZgHP1UBcUFITMK77J1GuAQ1sO1N+QuHJ7OsS6S6Jz2sx0Tr Qbrvd1FMjhNnwMut0NbT =OnJT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Mon Mar 18 19:03:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4994121F8D34 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:03:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9uRCVd5fCSzD for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waldorf.isode.com (cl-125.lon-03.gb.sixxs.net [IPv6:2a00:14f0:e000:7c::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695B121F8D37 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1363658591; d=isode.com; s=selector; i=@isode.com; bh=ByncE3N0lXqGLcvj85anBi6yZAexdTOlluec7uqqNao=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=NB2FufhSg+Dill5Jm8K6Z0JW58hMSoVlwAqSCOTwvh018eQiPdTgtds+TZucTlBMqjgwDT K1LDHNnZresaBNDUjwQudd51MioiJgAlh6MA3f/Oa1LItl92+bJ7kGAyfod4lBNrm969jJ 7wY0RXCd/d2obb35VWM65MFGRjdJtLU=; Received: from [10.8.39.27] (173-14-120-161-richmond.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.120.161]) by waldorf.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 02:03:10 +0000 Message-ID: <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 02:03:12 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 To: Peter Saint-Andre References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 02:03:14 -0000 Hi Peter, On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > During the WG session last week, I got the sense that people find the > term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I represent my name using the > NameClass?!"). Thus I propose changing it to "SafeClass". Any objections? I like SafeClass much better. From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Mar 19 00:52:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB66C21F8628 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N9mWjKNh--oG for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C575921F863B for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.177] (unknown [64.134.232.214]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A0BA40C2C; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 02:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:52:16 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Melnikov References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:52:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/18/13 7:03 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> During the WG session last week, I got the sense that people find >> the term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I represent my name >> using the NameClass?!"). Thus I propose changing it to >> "SafeClass". Any objections? > > I like SafeClass much better. It's the best I could come up with on the plane yesterday. :-) My only concern is that people might think "safe" is some kind of guarantee that nothing bad could ever happen if they use the SafeClass... Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRSBkvAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pxbkP/jab0kYgfJGvLRmsuzS0Acug OdsRZ+hi3lQRIhP7/glaQd+PMzUshBG1WiDvsrZYganIMIgRcw7WUOWSyfulv2tI NJmEmv7l8C2DGVKD95Mmn5P+9PpI3x59z7c8i+HYTGC+Lq58bloRI8IPwGrzugfd onBuXxn0tKceS+CIpicFJhZIf1NjBpJkRuMwPlj3S+1Oko8RzIunldh6dQNeCMIN /ya4SK7jf7qluc/q7gTYP70CEHM/ycsMb//bmjAIrEMAVVQOP4bWxooWT/NvknRk IPJh9zEN1WGF1CMfqY+mB0WKGVf8qUpOSI9HTWTRUbBPKU2MxxdAHOzwHplZ18a2 bWcfP/kMgJqzM/01A15ui1Um2zGbgHHrHTgeaMtbcQG+ezpI0rJB4scRzWna1qNj 1LtgaXJED2ruA6vTh/WYlnKRX6QMNfX08VBA8qVlyWsm6HAVkFiFY8zu+nDKYTVj POEqxuGq8h+xjDjUmt3mZbWRnSk6hrTLrnwZJFpRyV+dj7I5jDeBXZu99h3PrdxR QWHNgROB3szRxCGPIPpqMn+U4xUzjSfM5dz2tm1dtGgPOvBXkaU3N3qkw+HiQp3P m8MHGwyLAYtqmLI0qiWXwRDSL4IE8sKBgqmYpSc7tsheYAGWJvkr0BINTxjNiir5 ttwhZTfCATlUTK4JECsn =vL9P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jyee@afilias.info Tue Mar 19 05:23:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E763421F89A6 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VkIbHplUOO1m for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE5121F8967 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UHvZc-0001v2-40 for precis@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:23:24 +0000 Received: from mail-qc0-f197.google.com ([209.85.216.197]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UHvZc-0003AC-3m for precis@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:23:24 +0000 Received: by mail-qc0-f197.google.com with SMTP id f15so701703qcs.4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=C4VqeYBWfvm9BIiNzeyMWpu2eeU3TlIm8/myvs7X+OQ=; b=MgWyOVBmRNIPmeBlOn4hNFZJl7DtNVtLjHAA85wPhxlkykTBOY79wmL5lHfheAKswL +TF/CUAnTATqku3CbKFMcM6hW10QzzqG9gDgLFS5kpRvnU4dH9WPdA0gDpBuhjbx9XQm hUnkx76cx+8XBWzoXTABRZt8PVKZ9KTHNPitM9TugpRQ9QPEnCI6fVWc3eLvlDYzhEUJ kbbDt1x2J2DTikjPgjLciyy1pzASbUSdOlgFcWOg2WQxFdJz3D9fW6avugA27PzCb9Ls 7fW7IeowWzUJPiSXh6XkVkYRmc7cmlAXZSg9uVcl0puij4f1By/H7U31BL2LpMj+omd5 +zFg== X-Received: by 10.52.29.209 with SMTP id m17mr1674468vdh.111.1363695798720; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:23:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.29.209 with SMTP id m17mr1674454vdh.111.1363695798579; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.134.5 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:23:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:23:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: Peter Saint-Andre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlJWgu7hkN76yY/useObZpUXKNejqVL8P3KWf0avzLfmLRCYU3Ui19YGtXNYjaGfCTfqXRMkvESRGlmXxEWaP1gN4nFbTJczALeTt3DrOIYOU6vjDpfN7SjFKa13nw69X+fJH+9 Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:23:26 -0000 On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 3/18/13 7:03 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> During the WG session last week, I got the sense that people find >>> the term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I represent my name >>> using the NameClass?!"). Thus I propose changing it to >>> "SafeClass". Any objections? >> >> I like SafeClass much better. > > It's the best I could come up with on the plane yesterday. :-) > > My only concern is that people might think "safe" is some kind of > guarantee that nothing bad could ever happen if they use the SafeClass... > Hi Peter, I have the same concern about SafeClass too. Can't think of a better name, but don't see it as big concern. Probably just more text needed to explain 'safe' under what condition. Just throwing names out from my brain... RestrictedClass? IdentifierClass? ResourceNamingClass? Joseph > Peter > > - -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRSBkvAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pxbkP/jab0kYgfJGvLRmsuzS0Acug > OdsRZ+hi3lQRIhP7/glaQd+PMzUshBG1WiDvsrZYganIMIgRcw7WUOWSyfulv2tI > NJmEmv7l8C2DGVKD95Mmn5P+9PpI3x59z7c8i+HYTGC+Lq58bloRI8IPwGrzugfd > onBuXxn0tKceS+CIpicFJhZIf1NjBpJkRuMwPlj3S+1Oko8RzIunldh6dQNeCMIN > /ya4SK7jf7qluc/q7gTYP70CEHM/ycsMb//bmjAIrEMAVVQOP4bWxooWT/NvknRk > IPJh9zEN1WGF1CMfqY+mB0WKGVf8qUpOSI9HTWTRUbBPKU2MxxdAHOzwHplZ18a2 > bWcfP/kMgJqzM/01A15ui1Um2zGbgHHrHTgeaMtbcQG+ezpI0rJB4scRzWna1qNj > 1LtgaXJED2ruA6vTh/WYlnKRX6QMNfX08VBA8qVlyWsm6HAVkFiFY8zu+nDKYTVj > POEqxuGq8h+xjDjUmt3mZbWRnSk6hrTLrnwZJFpRyV+dj7I5jDeBXZu99h3PrdxR > QWHNgROB3szRxCGPIPpqMn+U4xUzjSfM5dz2tm1dtGgPOvBXkaU3N3qkw+HiQp3P > m8MHGwyLAYtqmLI0qiWXwRDSL4IE8sKBgqmYpSc7tsheYAGWJvkr0BINTxjNiir5 > ttwhZTfCATlUTK4JECsn > =vL9P > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis From mwild1@gmail.com Tue Mar 19 05:34:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FC221F8503 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z-WtSVmZcB6M for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-x234.google.com (mail-vb0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43F321F84F9 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fa15so269153vbb.11 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=5v8wzu27Zx3bssOwsARjo/1I7xh1jEgD04FrP0eKQXo=; b=SKWDdcI2b+Nrqgxn+FGLHtfRyglsApiZixCzb2WWRI3e3uavE5fVZGbSxGFcrm5FNW VhOspDnGTWQDu8QCX7KEfz2U4xVceMnQmQ70+gaO7/DI/Ka98zV9S6rtm/1bqVzCTpF+ XKmrpbud1Gg4Ku0M27rJ/GHxveWKQjqEO/nHhQTjU5YPGmM6d022wxesu6H1anRQNVzw S8D3xgzW2OR+qZ0NVd/hf3LXUETtTiWphHFT8PqL9fJ112NZcMciDHmFvlGN5wkwplsU 3tKX3rvh/extpAqZ8X+EvPAdnmfSxqgeFjQe2R2Hzpn8N4snPw0af1G3ONYZsgzx8MxF yfeA== X-Received: by 10.58.44.194 with SMTP id g2mr2173404vem.1.1363696440306; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.19 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> From: Matthew Wild Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:33:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: Joseph Yee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:34:06 -0000 On 19 March 2013 12:23, Joseph Yee wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 3/18/13 7:03 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>>> During the WG session last week, I got the sense that people find >>>> the term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I represent my name >>>> using the NameClass?!"). Thus I propose changing it to >>>> "SafeClass". Any objections? >>> >>> I like SafeClass much better. >> >> It's the best I could come up with on the plane yesterday. :-) >> >> My only concern is that people might think "safe" is some kind of >> guarantee that nothing bad could ever happen if they use the SafeClass... >> > > Hi Peter, > > I have the same concern about SafeClass too. Can't think of a better > name, but don't see it as big concern. Probably just more text needed > to explain 'safe' under what condition. > > Just throwing names out from my brain... > > RestrictedClass? > IdentifierClass? > ResourceNamingClass? I was also going to suggest IdentifierClass just as your message came through. Many people already understand an 'identifier' to consist of characters from a restricted set (as in 99% of programming languages, and various protocols). Usernames usually draw from a similar set of characters in most systems. Regards, Matthew From mamille2@cisco.com Tue Mar 19 07:22:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA07E21F8A6F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eNk8kuG3860G for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E540321F85B4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5337; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1363702924; x=1364912524; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=HIt3OcSp1OSf01ssZWFQL+44LsdD6gzwoNuZge+KS/Q=; b=jO2pGZzB9EYa3WqMd+8H8xFlboAOxrEh6HQhBcAbJsBsq2M91jrW6u1h 3/cRV1s8bVnTluIm/LUUDyKpZ7oFOVw75W8BIr3xjijIbuqTJwT/Zl+7s ezRHv4KuSaWYDBVmZwPi8sld6+KH4wibo2+03W4RIhKDRxPPNfAtkQv5l I=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 2283 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAGNzSFGtJXG8/2dsb2JhbABDxRSBVhZ0giQBAQEDAXkFCwIBCA4KCiQCHxElAgQOBQgGh3QDCQayMIY6DYlbjEWBCIEQFhsHgl9hA488gSiEG41IhRqDCoIo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,872,1355097600"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="188864957" Received: from rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com ([173.37.113.188]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2013 14:22:03 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2JEM2fA025689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:22:02 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x11.cisco.com ([169.254.6.203]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:22:02 -0500 From: "Matt Miller (mamille2)" To: Matthew Wild Thread-Topic: [precis] NameClass considered misleading Thread-Index: AQHOJD2E3MpF1kAe20GkVkLg2EtUVZislygAgABhhwCAAEu6AIAAAuYAgAAeRYA= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:22:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.129.24.61] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2B246027-6418-4324-81A2-24235B945647"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:22:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2B246027-6418-4324-81A2-24235B945647 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: > On 19 March 2013 12:23, Joseph Yee wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre = wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>>=20 >>> On 3/18/13 7:03 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>> Hi Peter, >>>>=20 >>>> On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>>>> During the WG session last week, I got the sense that people find >>>>> the term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I represent my name >>>>> using the NameClass?!"). Thus I propose changing it to >>>>> "SafeClass". Any objections? >>>>=20 >>>> I like SafeClass much better. >>>=20 >>> It's the best I could come up with on the plane yesterday. :-) >>>=20 >>> My only concern is that people might think "safe" is some kind of >>> guarantee that nothing bad could ever happen if they use the = SafeClass... >>>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Peter, >>=20 >> I have the same concern about SafeClass too. Can't think of a better >> name, but don't see it as big concern. Probably just more text = needed >> to explain 'safe' under what condition. >>=20 >> Just throwing names out from my brain... >>=20 >> RestrictedClass? >> IdentifierClass? >> ResourceNamingClass? >=20 > I was also going to suggest IdentifierClass just as your message came > through. Many people already understand an 'identifier' to consist of > characters from a restricted set (as in 99% of programming languages, > and various protocols). Usernames usually draw from a similar set of > characters in most systems. >=20 +1 to IdentifierClass. 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Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rQqFsj5t1Qbt for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5BB21F8C05 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.177] (unknown [64.134.232.214]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AE7040C2C; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <514876D8.40209@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:31:52 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matt Miller (mamille2)" References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:31:56 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/19/13 7:22 AM, Matt Miller (mamille2) wrote: > > On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Matthew Wild > wrote: > >> On 19 March 2013 12:23, Joseph Yee wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre >>> wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> On 3/18/13 7:03 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>> >>>>> On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>>>>> During the WG session last week, I got the sense that >>>>>> people find the term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I >>>>>> represent my name using the NameClass?!"). Thus I propose >>>>>> changing it to "SafeClass". Any objections? >>>>> >>>>> I like SafeClass much better. >>>> >>>> It's the best I could come up with on the plane yesterday. >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> My only concern is that people might think "safe" is some >>>> kind of guarantee that nothing bad could ever happen if they >>>> use the SafeClass... >>>> >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> I have the same concern about SafeClass too. Can't think of a >>> better name, but don't see it as big concern. Probably just >>> more text needed to explain 'safe' under what condition. >>> >>> Just throwing names out from my brain... >>> >>> RestrictedClass? IdentifierClass? ResourceNamingClass? >> >> I was also going to suggest IdentifierClass just as your message >> came through. Many people already understand an 'identifier' to >> consist of characters from a restricted set (as in 99% of >> programming languages, and various protocols). Usernames usually >> draw from a similar set of characters in most systems. >> > > +1 to IdentifierClass. > > The suggestion that first came to my mind was probably worse: > BasicClass Yeah, I thought of that one too. The idea behind SafeClass is that it's intended to be safe, just as the FreeClass is intended to be free. But IdentifierClass is OK with me. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRSHbYAAoJEOoGpJErxa2psdEP/jUmPzHxxiMUlRi7L9Rqi39f oDUIgyOfSoNo5EPLcVr2j5IsGayXpOGBVG5UN53aCvrsNxJXXOzD3RfLgxEbtojI UgmD4v2B7mvXKj+v8y6J+2577FfoN+A7jyMHY/6DC+fCK2pOesXXX+fU51hulaH1 MyJqYIpEvxm4vmTMcnCx/NphM2j3eTPAooRt0KceXiCSGY854wVwun4dUrwp805P JYyMeZHL7+55KVsYPuSNLy2VWuh/u2b2JWQLGz4f2pG+4CEJjFQCBHWPt6t7IlT2 Qb1ULcfjQSnlgVakOb8EgAsuNE8r4WuRPmcL0xW83tGBz9wv9dekpjH5krRpnI+9 HHYJrv5d2yBxKVkonDtpCxWB7lB94BA47c0sNdTe7qBeNEu+ugfVaNFGkUP52KjO l9m1IzEXjSYj9vZrfFETyujGOa3du3pHrwSvsIdiunBDL0QPgfkgI5LQ/kPe9GHn aTWGDFInN8NwKHVuZVU5kF5HJv1mAjAuT5eXm495twstiCoxWLKK/2RZ4LydH83V a2lw/3oI/ibIG/KeWWZs+oMPEHHVh7YQ7PNObZqzW5jYnVVwiVmlzREKyaNNBrYf MYN4dVq8wKXlOkaZQy5NCTvdCBEgeCNB6MoXqtCv7+8E3otiKEEStlp1cIsRJSDE UlpZyK/4xY/N2OR97BxW =a8cT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Tue Mar 19 07:57:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA41721F8CCF for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H1dEET1y0P12 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16AE21F8CCA for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2620::230:c000:302d:b451:cb9:fb1a] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:302d:b451:cb9:fb1a]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A20846FCF; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: <514876D8.40209@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:56:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <56324D6C-BBAA-4A66-95D4-698812E2701B@viagenie.ca> References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> <514876D8.40209@stpeter.im> To: Peter Saint-Andre X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:57:29 -0000 Le 2013-03-19 =E0 10:31, Peter Saint-Andre a =E9crit = : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > On 3/19/13 7:22 AM, Matt Miller (mamille2) wrote: >>=20 >> On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Matthew Wild >> wrote: >>=20 >>> On 19 March 2013 12:23, Joseph Yee wrote: >>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre >>>> wrote: >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 3/18/13 7:03 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>>>>>> During the WG session last week, I got the sense that >>>>>>> people find the term "NameClass" misleading ("why can't I >>>>>>> represent my name using the NameClass?!"). Thus I propose >>>>>>> changing it to "SafeClass". Any objections? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I like SafeClass much better. >>>>>=20 >>>>> It's the best I could come up with on the plane yesterday. >>>>> :-) >>>>>=20 >>>>> My only concern is that people might think "safe" is some >>>>> kind of guarantee that nothing bad could ever happen if they >>>>> use the SafeClass... >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Hi Peter, >>>>=20 >>>> I have the same concern about SafeClass too. Can't think of a >>>> better name, but don't see it as big concern. Probably just >>>> more text needed to explain 'safe' under what condition. >>>>=20 >>>> Just throwing names out from my brain... >>>>=20 >>>> RestrictedClass? IdentifierClass? ResourceNamingClass? >>>=20 >>> I was also going to suggest IdentifierClass just as your message >>> came through. Many people already understand an 'identifier' to >>> consist of characters from a restricted set (as in 99% of >>> programming languages, and various protocols). Usernames usually >>> draw from a similar set of characters in most systems. >>>=20 >>=20 >> +1 to IdentifierClass. >>=20 >> The suggestion that first came to my mind was probably worse: >> BasicClass >=20 > Yeah, I thought of that one too. The idea behind SafeClass is that > it's intended to be safe, just as the FreeClass is intended to be > free. But IdentifierClass is OK with me. - Safe is an overloaded word. How can we claim to have something safe = with the zillions unicode codepoints. - I prefer IdentifierClass, but just too long. - suggesting: IdClass. Marc. >=20 > Peter >=20 > - --=20 > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ >=20 >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >=20 > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRSHbYAAoJEOoGpJErxa2psdEP/jUmPzHxxiMUlRi7L9Rqi39f > oDUIgyOfSoNo5EPLcVr2j5IsGayXpOGBVG5UN53aCvrsNxJXXOzD3RfLgxEbtojI > UgmD4v2B7mvXKj+v8y6J+2577FfoN+A7jyMHY/6DC+fCK2pOesXXX+fU51hulaH1 > MyJqYIpEvxm4vmTMcnCx/NphM2j3eTPAooRt0KceXiCSGY854wVwun4dUrwp805P > JYyMeZHL7+55KVsYPuSNLy2VWuh/u2b2JWQLGz4f2pG+4CEJjFQCBHWPt6t7IlT2 > Qb1ULcfjQSnlgVakOb8EgAsuNE8r4WuRPmcL0xW83tGBz9wv9dekpjH5krRpnI+9 > HHYJrv5d2yBxKVkonDtpCxWB7lB94BA47c0sNdTe7qBeNEu+ugfVaNFGkUP52KjO > l9m1IzEXjSYj9vZrfFETyujGOa3du3pHrwSvsIdiunBDL0QPgfkgI5LQ/kPe9GHn > aTWGDFInN8NwKHVuZVU5kF5HJv1mAjAuT5eXm495twstiCoxWLKK/2RZ4LydH83V > a2lw/3oI/ibIG/KeWWZs+oMPEHHVh7YQ7PNObZqzW5jYnVVwiVmlzREKyaNNBrYf > MYN4dVq8wKXlOkaZQy5NCTvdCBEgeCNB6MoXqtCv7+8E3otiKEEStlp1cIsRJSDE > UlpZyK/4xY/N2OR97BxW > =3Da8cT > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Mar 19 17:58:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10B21F8B9F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.535, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTbvSiyX3umS for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAE621F8B0A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [171.68.21.33] (unknown [171.68.21.33]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A588140C23; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <514909CC.5010409@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:58:52 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Blanchet References: <51474C50.1000900@stpeter.im> <5147C760.7060700@isode.com> <51481930.5080600@stpeter.im> <514876D8.40209@stpeter.im> <56324D6C-BBAA-4A66-95D4-698812E2701B@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <56324D6C-BBAA-4A66-95D4-698812E2701B@viagenie.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "precis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [precis] NameClass considered misleading X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:58:59 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/19/13 7:56 AM, Marc Blanchet wrote: > > Le 2013-03-19 à 10:31, Peter Saint-Andre a > écrit : > > On 3/19/13 7:22 AM, Matt Miller (mamille2) wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Matthew Wild >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 19 March 2013 12:23, Joseph Yee >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/18/13 7:03 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18/03/2013 17:18, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>>>>>>>> During the WG session last week, I got the sense >>>>>>>>> that people find the term "NameClass" misleading >>>>>>>>> ("why can't I represent my name using the >>>>>>>>> NameClass?!"). Thus I propose changing it to >>>>>>>>> "SafeClass". Any objections? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I like SafeClass much better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's the best I could come up with on the plane >>>>>>> yesterday. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My only concern is that people might think "safe" is >>>>>>> some kind of guarantee that nothing bad could ever >>>>>>> happen if they use the SafeClass... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the same concern about SafeClass too. Can't >>>>>> think of a better name, but don't see it as big concern. >>>>>> Probably just more text needed to explain 'safe' under >>>>>> what condition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just throwing names out from my brain... >>>>>> >>>>>> RestrictedClass? IdentifierClass? ResourceNamingClass? >>>>> >>>>> I was also going to suggest IdentifierClass just as your >>>>> message came through. Many people already understand an >>>>> 'identifier' to consist of characters from a restricted >>>>> set (as in 99% of programming languages, and various >>>>> protocols). Usernames usually draw from a similar set of >>>>> characters in most systems. >>>>> >>>> >>>> +1 to IdentifierClass. >>>> >>>> The suggestion that first came to my mind was probably worse: >>>> BasicClass > > Yeah, I thought of that one too. The idea behind SafeClass is that > it's intended to be safe, just as the FreeClass is intended to be > free. But IdentifierClass is OK with me. > >> - Safe is an overloaded word. How can we claim to have something >> safe with the zillions unicode codepoints. - I prefer >> IdentifierClass, but just too long. - suggesting: IdClass. The length of the term 'IdentifierClass' doesn't bother me, and it's very clear. Plus, "id class" feels a bit Freudian to me. ;-) Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRSQnLAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pBmMQALFaU9eE8Tc3TQ8oL9t6Mo3z AN2BrS7N0Mj5A1CPUdIIpIr88w2SVnABntJ8wzZGTlcoBFd7emmEQARear9KlMxM qpZVIAGBDNLtLL4zqKnDyJPEaHg9Tp44IRiXKEMJJhlz9mQzFLUI6KsJcfuv3p45 bewc5Al4f7HBbbuaA7bElThBmykVbBKREikNEjnvD999DrjdXI2AknGLOMNhTCol i33kWl76PXG9spFTSZrORI9d2oEMcFLi1cdHMWd9nMBZjNVEKI3+1HCQGUX1POQH zdOu8X/ELmpQEVATC0bdTL0laMDg7fosfjYupfQYdCkqNP79zAJH2l14iZCR9vaC ucOkbDq8Zx+aHPbo8MvHixCQRHXCfR3KvWBnwGAGYBnB0lTZMW9Gxg1Wg8IQkzhD 7Hwh0DK00JPJTsY9qCUkyV/EsJHEOSkUj4kZ+cnsiCTgJqlmYkeAtBMyxtzmHzCA xdEYW0kG26RxDG2kCXIO46YqHZiGzjQreApNSmncxTfiIf2kOguE1wPTEVouiSGN iLW7XJCF1cM3y/yOlHKXs9JciD28hDsaADDk6u5nPG+h8nrQlQ915ENDZ7kvbYuD lEkMP/Xt6zcP3qPCIUUU1YDggyWRKqos/72/hGDNW2Y8fcFBuLCMRDnJdnOkg9CL KYIvWgrTIu5rFOUkZGy0 =26DQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david.black@emc.com Tue Mar 19 19:35:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712DD21F8D77 for ; 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This draft is a work item of the Preparation and Comparison of Internation= alized Strings Working Group of the IETF. Title : PRECIS Framework: Preparation and Comparison of Internat= ionalized Strings in Application Protocols Author(s) : Peter Saint-Andre Marc Blanchet Filename : draft-ietf-precis-framework-07.txt Pages : 70 Date : 2013-03-26 Abstract: Application protocols using Unicode code points in protocol strings need to properly prepare such strings in order to perform valid comparison operations (e.g., for purposes of authentication or authorization). This document defines a framework enabling application protocols to perform the preparation and comparison of internationalized strings (a.k.a. "PRECIS") in a way that depends on the properties of Unicode code points and thus is agile with respect to versions of Unicode. As a result, this framework provides a more sustainable approach to the handling of internationalized strings than the previous framework, known as Stringprep (RFC 3454). A specification that reuses this framework can either directly use the PRECIS string classes or subclass the PRECIS string classes as needed. This framework takes an approach similar to the revised internationalized domain names (IDNs) in applications (IDNA) technology (RFC 5890, RFC 5891, RFC 5892, RFC 5893, RFC 5894) and thus adheres to the high-level design goals described in the IAB's recommendations regarding IDNs (RFC 4690), albeit for application technologies other than the Domain Name System (DNS). This document obsoletes RFC 3454. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-framework There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-precis-framework-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-precis-framework-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Mar 26 21:04:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E278921F85B2 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2LKFpBNY+YZN for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9295921E8044 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [71.237.13.154]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FEFD40C76 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <51526FD2.6080206@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "precis@ietf.org" References: <20130327040120.10162.18859.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130327040120.10162.18859.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [precis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-precis-framework-07.txt X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:04:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/26/13 10:01 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-precis-framework-07 This version incorporates name changes for the string classes and some adjustments based on feedback received at IETF 86. It does not update the code point tables, nor does it include any text about migration from existing stringprep profiles to new PRECIS usages because I have not yet determined what we can say about migration that would be of general use. More soon. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRUm/RAAoJEOoGpJErxa2p8bwP/0hFRhaas3n8iMX4OaRX/Yl4 3iDeGUpoqvCDtkOOLF/97G+qVeaptrj5o/xA8Bnh2J7B58hQxzxqEghTKKzezbz9 v3GVdq2POqY7xVTLeb+l3SLOjuOnWfzkPVgCoyzMNZnGu8A+kQ4zm/uDAZ4BJp+R 2dnFBZo5nAVzi8HkTwkqIhCtOekIARfB1vA/46nos2wkCSUbK1cBEtQcy2r4+Vxe 7eMMduXyr2HOnmSoUWL6F7ET/H0tml4vB6al7IElkFQdAga3qsrPoEKvcggmNrgY CElm9h5V/IMk9iGYfM5O7BatxqEGub+cbPJx4QyQbqzkENZz3WFfBp2XnpmCfLEH fg6E+892W0EkQqDp8UEU7bMUIxlUBzwrXdDQaqsF/oAxIRpO//AKaK7mGz+JP1Kg Oi6sIzNKimdFgsgsXpOLjnSkyX/6MLK/5psDFn5JkjaKZkSFgS8FW6Pav5CpVZbc 21FJvXgT/RA/6cQ2Dv+MduUxz2lwNlvv2vq/pOtuyBjJxYqmO/zYivQjMEDU+8MJ N7XGeJXjWkZorHoBrLmJSjbTLTMKmYULvfc7dojdGARd9ClPR+Qxa03Irevelp5P xlHkxSUc2DOsjEclMIsquBPPCKZNHegkKyjV+e/6Hn/Yd+cd+sXuiFPY4H/raF9f zWfvuB/kidkrjPSQeyAl =mKJi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Mar 27 20:39:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AE421F9291; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.110, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lhnCDUf+NdRG; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6831821F90F1; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:39:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.43 Message-ID: <20130328033951.21028.2480.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:39:51 -0700 Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: [precis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis-01.txt X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:39:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Preparation and Comparison of Internation= alized Strings Working Group of the IETF. Title : Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings = Representing Simple User Names and Passwords Author(s) : Peter Saint-Andre Alexey Melnikov Filename : draft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2013-03-27 Abstract: This document describes how to handle Unicode strings representing simple user names and passwords, primarily for purposes of comparison. This profile is intended to be used by Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL) mechanisms (such as PLAIN and SCRAM-SHA-1), as well as other protocols that exchange simple user names or passwords. This document obsoletes RFC 4013. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis-01 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Mar 27 20:43:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAAC21F935B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P-m12rkwY9s4 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBDD21F935A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (unknown [71.237.13.154]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA6C140D1F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5153BC4F.6080501@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:43:11 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: precis@ietf.org References: <20130328033951.21028.2480.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130328033951.21028.2480.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [precis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis-01.txt X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:43:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/27/13 9:39 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Preparation and > Comparison of Internationalized Strings Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized > Strings Representing Simple User Names and Passwords Author(s) > : Peter Saint-Andre Alexey Melnikov Filename : > draft-ietf-precis-saslprepbis-01.txt Pages : 13 Date > : 2013-03-27 A small updates to track changes to the framework. 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