From nobody Sun Apr 3 09:00:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6691112D56F for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mo5-8IJAbt0B for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com (mail-ig0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF14612D556 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ig0-x231.google.com with SMTP id l20so47120790igf.0 for ; Sun, 03 Apr 2016 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=icWOMA09cg1EVZTbpOuRr6c6OoNf8IJBPQnjJdH3BKk=; b=LoHyK9gcnOLUv5tA6nDIvrzi3HvjkQxYHOaWLanRRGdEexjGvT1a592cuwx9Q495M4 l4R9zmbgePqVt3KFawOHipQX9ONymrR8zUUxfg1ohMT5N9o2JgrQy1mtteYCREzheGAw ugK5w2pUi1o+LJIH6KNGPXY5hRTLpfAJK81RfeV33gt93LKDG73NEjv0jHiaXTlJYX32 sPjYv3tIQWjdk5FKtXf7C3whuIlBUG3WVTVVJ8xZzIWGqWQtpG35RFTqMe5TsT/W40Uj vzOvMdNGxw++MQOC6Es3zU/UvsOMCJ0JyuD9ITWNhtLx2vKghJXubQvHhNFbnT9dsE9x Q6wA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=icWOMA09cg1EVZTbpOuRr6c6OoNf8IJBPQnjJdH3BKk=; b=W5ZSqgwK0Lww3lfQFiyAQjfOKVAhbHabDWRYEeg2dZ4ZOh8D2Y1bGLo9xcLL/2iLv0 t3LeNDe+SYt8Vx+Dele5W/dPr4AutMY3Y1AWcgbTKRuSa+3yMDGVbApbG4rABJiarC3s 9mfMvntkPO+OIdX/eZat0tE+CXWNyG3luMgnvYrGT+PkSVjDdk3Iz/CYKln5tV2pfud6 MZVn331N/dmSCkrYQ1uOrmJFNgW8Usn5+p9IeW3bmPwJq82Qbs9186CRFanBWoG/wH1r eayro8qQmazPmiQ8xLSoiadNh9VW1AiD500BKImrM6BVm+6k/6BijAd/fwG9p+XnfBx/ ljLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJI4rXmgiFyHAxBqHgjppU3ZiB9hiFOwJBgYsMGTYvLfquQffHl4B4PlAC9ICurNFFVJLQ0cQgvgt7HtPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.12.224 with SMTP id 93mr5286411iom.70.1459699219120; Sun, 03 Apr 2016 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.26.130 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56F99A92.9090901@stpeter.im> References: <20160301221928.17792.35793.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <1C1668EA-1734-4D90-82E6-3894ECB6407C@viagenie.ca> <56D61E27.40000@stpeter.im> <56F96A20.7030509@stpeter.im> <56766496-6ABC-43C1-8A8E-BFF381E47333@viagenie.ca> <56F99A92.9090901@stpeter.im> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:00:19 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uEQQegsbAWv3MYqEjMIjKCp_jHA Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Peter Saint-Andre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 16:00:21 -0000 >>>> I'm sure that the wg is likely to be ok with wg drafts, but >>>> let's do the normal process. Please submit first as >>>> individual draft and we will call later for wg adoption. >>> >>> For whatever my opinion as a participant is worth, that would be >>> meaningless, time-wasting, ritual for its own sake. >> >> disagree. the step from individual to wg is the normal process and has >> no impact on technical work: the technical work can continue whatever >> the filename is. Let=E2=80=99s spend time on technical discussions on th= e >> content of the to-be-published draft. > > I have no preference, but to be clear the -00 versions will be exactly wh= at > is in the published RFCs so that we can more easily track changes. As AD for now, still, I'll say that I do have a preference, and a rather strong one: these are updates to documents the working group has already published. The working group has already decided to update them. Please just submit them as working group documents from the start. Even going through motions here makes a statement that the working group is not working on what it agreed to work on. Barry From nobody Sun Apr 3 09:08:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3F312D0F5 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ponfIKsgK3v4 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1ECE12D0E2 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.123.31.198] (h198.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.198]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89C8747575; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:08:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Barry Leiba" Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:08:51 -0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20160301221928.17792.35793.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <1C1668EA-1734-4D90-82E6-3894ECB6407C@viagenie.ca> <56D61E27.40000@stpeter.im> <56F96A20.7030509@stpeter.im> <56766496-6ABC-43C1-8A8E-BFF381E47333@viagenie.ca> <56F99A92.9090901@stpeter.im> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_9DFF93B5-3B62-4D2D-A32E-6F5155CED77A_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 16:08:56 -0000 --=_MailMate_9DFF93B5-3B62-4D2D-A32E-6F5155CED77A_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 3 Apr 2016, at 13:00, Barry Leiba wrote: >>>>> I'm sure that the wg is likely to be ok with wg drafts, but >>>>> let's do the normal process. Please submit first as >>>>> individual draft and we will call later for wg adoption. >>>> >>>> For whatever my opinion as a participant is worth, that would be >>>> meaningless, time-wasting, ritual for its own sake. >>> >>> disagree. the step from individual to wg is the normal process and >>> has >>> no impact on technical work: the technical work can continue >>> whatever >>> the filename is. Let’s spend time on technical discussions on the >>> content of the to-be-published draft. >> >> I have no preference, but to be clear the -00 versions will be >> exactly what >> is in the published RFCs so that we can more easily track changes. > > As AD for now, still, I'll say that I do have a preference, and a > rather strong one: these are updates to documents the working group > has already published. The working group has already decided to > update them. Please just submit them as working group documents from > the start. Ok. So Peter just publish it and I’ll approve it. Marc. > Even going through motions here makes a statement that the > working group is not working on what it agreed to work on. > > Barry --=_MailMate_9DFF93B5-3B62-4D2D-A32E-6F5155CED77A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 3 Apr 2016, at 13:00, Barry Leiba wrote:

I'm sure that the wg is likely to be ok with wg drafts, but
let's do the normal process. Please submit first as
individual draft and we will call later for wg adoption.

For whatever my opinion as a participant is worth, that would be
meaningless, time-wasting, ritual for its own sake.

disagree. the step from individual to wg is the normal process and has
no impact on technical work: the technical work can continue whatever
the filename is. Let’s spend time on technical discussions on the
content of the to-be-published draft.

I have no preference, but to be clear the -00 versions will be exactly what
is in the published RFCs so that we can more easily track changes.

As AD for now, still, I'll say that I do have a preference, and a
rather strong one: these are updates to documents the working group
has already published. The working group has already decided to
update them. Please just submit them as working group documents from
the start.

Ok. So Peter just publish it and I’ll approve it.

Marc.

Even going through motions here makes a statement that the
working group is not working on what it agreed to work on.

Barry

--=_MailMate_9DFF93B5-3B62-4D2D-A32E-6F5155CED77A_=-- From nobody Sun Apr 3 12:21:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7087E12D0F3 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f4V-E5Y98wZO for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa3.jck.com (static-65-175-133-137.cpe.metrocast.net [65.175.133.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C984E12D0CA for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp5.int.jck.com ([198.252.137.153] helo=JcK-HP5.jck.com) by bsa3.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1amnaJ-000Lj5-UG; Sun, 03 Apr 2016 15:21:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 15:21:14 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Barry Leiba , Peter Saint-Andre Message-ID: <9D56D3530EF4DAED2B343176@JcK-HP5.jck.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20160301221928.17792.35793.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <1C1668EA-1734-4D90-82E6-3894ECB6407C@viagenie.ca> <56D61E27.40000@stpeter.im> <56F96A20.7030509@stpeter.im> <56766496-6ABC-43C1-8A8E-BFF381E47333@viagenie.ca> <56F99A92.9090901@stpeter.im> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Archived-At: Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 19:21:36 -0000 --On Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:00 PM -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: >> I have no preference, but to be clear the -00 versions will >> be exactly what is in the published RFCs so that we can more >> easily track changes. > > As AD for now, still, I'll say that I do have a preference, > and a rather strong one: these are updates to documents the > working group has already published. The working group has > already decided to update them. Please just submit them as > working group documents from the start. Even going through > motions here makes a statement that the working group is not > working on what it agreed to work on. Thanks. john From nobody Tue Apr 5 08:40:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietf.org Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4DA12D64C; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.18.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160405154050.25846.94483.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:40:50 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: [precis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-precis-7700bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:40:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings of the IETF. Title : Preparation, Enforcement, and Comparison of Internationalized Strings Representing Nicknames Author : Peter Saint-Andre Filename : draft-ietf-precis-7700bis-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2016-04-05 Abstract: This document describes methods for handling Unicode strings representing memorable, human-friendly names (called "nicknames", "display names", or "petnames") for people, devices, accounts, websites, and other entities. This document obsoletes RFC 7700. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-7700bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-precis-7700bis-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Apr 5 08:41:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietf.org Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECF012D69E; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.18.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160405154101.25858.71391.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:41:01 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: [precis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-precis-7613bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:41:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings of the IETF. Title : Preparation, Enforcement, and Comparison of Internationalized Strings Representing Usernames and Passwords Authors : Peter Saint-Andre Alexey Melnikov Filename : draft-ietf-precis-7613bis-00.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2016-04-05 Abstract: This document describes updated methods for handling Unicode strings representing usernames and passwords. The previous approach was known as SASLprep (RFC 4013) and was based on stringprep (RFC 3454). The methods specified in this document provide a more sustainable approach to the handling of internationalized usernames and passwords. The preparation, enforcement, and comparison of internationalized strings (PRECIS) framework, RFC 7564, obsoletes RFC 3454, and this document obsoletes RFC 7613. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-7613bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-precis-7613bis-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Apr 5 08:41:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietf.org Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B9312D6CF; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:41:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.18.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160405154109.25858.6566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:41:09 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: [precis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-precis-7564bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:41:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings of the IETF. Title : PRECIS Framework: Preparation, Enforcement, and Comparison of Internationalized Strings in Application Protocols Authors : Peter Saint-Andre Marc Blanchet Filename : draft-ietf-precis-7564bis-00.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2016-04-05 Abstract: Application protocols using Unicode characters in protocol strings need to properly handle such strings in order to enforce internationalization rules for strings placed in various protocol slots (such as addresses and identifiers) and to perform valid comparison operations (e.g., for purposes of authentication or authorization). This document defines a framework enabling application protocols to perform the preparation, enforcement, and comparison of internationalized strings ("PRECIS") in a way that depends on the properties of Unicode characters and thus is agile with respect to versions of Unicode. As a result, this framework provides a more sustainable approach to the handling of internationalized strings than the previous framework, known as Stringprep (RFC 3454). This document obsoletes RFC 7564. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-precis-7564bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-precis-7564bis-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Apr 5 08:50:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B0912D6D9 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id corYh5OvXNz4 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB8312D6D3 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aither.local (unknown [73.34.202.214]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E928E8206; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:58:22 -0600 (MDT) To: Barry Leiba References: <20160301221928.17792.35793.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <1C1668EA-1734-4D90-82E6-3894ECB6407C@viagenie.ca> <56D61E27.40000@stpeter.im> <56F96A20.7030509@stpeter.im> <56766496-6ABC-43C1-8A8E-BFF381E47333@viagenie.ca> <56F99A92.9090901@stpeter.im> From: Peter Saint-Andre Message-ID: <5703DED3.4080005@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:50:43 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:50:47 -0000 On 4/3/16 10:00 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: >>>>> I'm sure that the wg is likely to be ok with wg drafts, but >>>>> let's do the normal process. Please submit first as >>>>> individual draft and we will call later for wg adoption. >>>> >>>> For whatever my opinion as a participant is worth, that would be >>>> meaningless, time-wasting, ritual for its own sake. >>> >>> disagree. the step from individual to wg is the normal process and has >>> no impact on technical work: the technical work can continue whatever >>> the filename is. Let’s spend time on technical discussions on the >>> content of the to-be-published draft. >> >> I have no preference, but to be clear the -00 versions will be exactly what >> is in the published RFCs so that we can more easily track changes. > > As AD for now, still, I'll say that I do have a preference, and a > rather strong one: these are updates to documents the working group > has already published. The working group has already decided to > update them. Please just submit them as working group documents from > the start. Even going through motions here makes a statement that the > working group is not working on what it agreed to work on. -00 versions submitted. These are as close as I could make the documents to the published RFCs. By the end of the week I will publish -01 versions incorporating the fixes previously outlined. Peter From nobody Tue Apr 5 08:54:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE9712D6EA for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0wY3AHJkGIzh for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DE912D6E6 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.147.101] (dhcp-9365.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.147.101]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 294BF403F8; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Peter Saint-Andre" Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:54:50 -0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5703DED3.4080005@stpeter.im> References: <20160301221928.17792.35793.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <1C1668EA-1734-4D90-82E6-3894ECB6407C@viagenie.ca> <56D61E27.40000@stpeter.im> <56F96A20.7030509@stpeter.im> <56766496-6ABC-43C1-8A8E-BFF381E47333@viagenie.ca> <56F99A92.9090901@stpeter.im> <5703DED3.4080005@stpeter.im> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: Barry Leiba , precis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:54:55 -0000 On 5 Apr 2016, at 12:50, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > -00 versions submitted. thanks. I approved them. published. Marc. > > These are as close as I could make the documents to the published > RFCs. By the end of the week I will publish -01 versions incorporating > the fixes previously outlined. > > Peter From nobody Tue Apr 5 09:02:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietf.org Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C9B12D6D0 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.18.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160405154317.25854.19307.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:43:17 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:02:58 -0700 Subject: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:43:17 -0000 Changed milestone "New version of RFC 7613", added draft-ietf-precis-7613bis to milestone. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/precis/charter/ From nobody Tue Apr 5 09:03:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietf.org Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8944912D6C8 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:43:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.18.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160405154351.25798.35957.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:43:51 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:02:59 -0700 Subject: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:43:55 -0000 Changed milestone "New version of RFC 7564", added draft-ietf-precis-7564bis to milestone. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/precis/charter/ From nobody Tue Apr 5 09:03:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietf.org Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D8612D6D0 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.18.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160405154511.25883.98998.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:45:11 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:02:59 -0700 Subject: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:45:11 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit framework document to the IESG", resolved as "Done". URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/precis/charter/ From nobody Tue Apr 5 09:35:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietf.org Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF54012D758 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:35:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.18.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160405163503.25799.50032.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:35:03 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [precis] Milestones changed for precis WG X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:35:04 -0000 Changed milestone "New version of 7700", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/precis/charter/ From nobody Sun Apr 17 10:05:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064AB12D512 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:05:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=samwhited.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AB-Buy39g2XL for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x22f.google.com (mail-qg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63C9112D1AF for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qg0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id f105so105430471qge.2 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=samwhited.com; s=swgoo; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LyClCrncHU4oghMUIASKYgQy+6CkofzL+Y9m3ZFW3GY=; b=hhC2lyXK9hJFGQ1j55WuWSCLk7lHrcoYkliTg6g/zZ9WKu5RZCYLn8Xq6RT9/Y16CR W/9wOLG+es/MMc9GZnlZ5LUKUTWJDcJobeCtDDTb0SfHe7PMAZqRrieNdb1/amm2i6MX Ct0p5WrzM0PvqMURytI3CQ7sOnSeg/6tkSd4s= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LyClCrncHU4oghMUIASKYgQy+6CkofzL+Y9m3ZFW3GY=; b=Z8ZYRHR0kCEbLgi+H04TcJU6ash43wlU6+YDMfy73eILiLZjnh5Mfw990YYKEsm7/k bcTLDSVGTXJF5IwESc1nhKHSUtRZdEjgxcpiaefCiWJsUPBu40IAkWy9YM6ewf/4CVHa 04XvZCUqwrKH39J1zSypiKQgGJmUbhrqGD62Pkgw+HJNvjLxNRprbhD3wJL7LqDdSdak hw3HWGOm7hBuIldEd5kPAySifsKjRkA+LRtXSu1cOx8Kpis2Ws+P4d/rdEiD1e9wQ/Cv Wk61ZFtsuqoZBWN/WBs/zoGkWZgWxCqU8ceX4Qp8YNY3gTkyQAW6C2VHXyD3jZfB3DwG sYhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVSkcIBAiEUhAAsu07BNssNz0yOw9qw2S1Cyfp0zqqjTps2JHwvG3HatXwjvsa/btuJnfcKo25bgGMDcw== X-Received: by 10.141.7.130 with SMTP id j124mr38404961qhd.29.1460912710435; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:05:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.217.75 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [104.55.194.53] From: Sam Whited Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 12:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: To: precis@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: [precis] Test Vectors X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:05:13 -0000 Hi all, I've begun working on an RFC to specify a set of test vectors for PRECIS (both for characters in the existing base classes and for several profiles). I think this idea has been mentioned on this list before, but was never added to the roadmap. Is this something the working group would be interested in adopting / adding to its agenda, or would it be preferable for me to publish these as an independant submission? Best, Sam -- Sam Whited pub 4096R/54083AE104EA7AD3 https://blog.samwhited.com