From nobody Thu Mar 1 09:50:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293FC12EBF1; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:50:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K99RMu8WXWr2; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:50:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x235.google.com (mail-ot0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD2DD12EBF5; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 108so6342313otv.3; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 09:50:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=scnlEauMGmaADg9bUgBzAQx1aw6urwv8RKQ4iFi+CqI=; b=u4cCQp30gk28XXwvGD3A4PKUaZsI90YNtSag6EDuy+Exau6bntrV+tgfCks/3q1CO7 O63vxQ9mOxQhx9SsorPygzB/yHznpCvggn60ZzVfzO70gIv2+tYSiTWz/vuZREK6zelM RDMbQAZIXjc1/hBTQZiK7LwQr+lRmGiiaeUXpVdhHcY8XU+5oS0e5HQgQPp3aWx6QQJF BfFEn0jgMwkHfLWe9mKE7WVkY+NY+qEsXIbge/Us2uUQQWul9fsLjHyj5WOdeoSDG5Ns RKNwPDcaAV1X9FfcYAHuJ1S/gIvGTzioMK88dWFyso7lQXTVdBpD5Fnuw5TdphnK8P2s BYHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=scnlEauMGmaADg9bUgBzAQx1aw6urwv8RKQ4iFi+CqI=; b=cBjEoh1fKYQ5BIYGQ3dtyB+8XJ5ueOKLxEB2WhgZsk5c92CVc2gx6Kl3pilV21j07g npZsg8m2Wtl/iUUOuBO3Eh16ua4SGcX5jFOQpeiQjUNxDDYgqbANmRoLdTEr9JOfNcUS E2CzovfKI3gUU1uPr9mCDj2Bs1mP2ouqsm0uq1eGFMFxRvtRTk9T6EeP+OwEN+k1L9uF FJMhWnJwyuEELqc3pOLmNM1x3Vd3ddTffyXNuWMcN4P3be5FaSO+Owg2WBbEbfM5xu1v r3NRLs2b6YMxDqSWZdGh8sFeg4xDcoGHETyIFIzWhHel2oD7EljbAsKeXuj5tdzeOSQc xegQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDf/64puZLaFPX9K2itw0H9IYoIHpYGBXbIvjYR6sLOmeE5Tpow qihijpXcus0e7VKyrgQS32um5iduuHnEHfCVt6lErw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELt9DcTcA+SzRKduWAc0e5WTHv4Of7n7CClKi0MCV6xxo/wYKss99t8rLHpxN2GKkHnIAfm/JT3rcaH0rzUno7M= X-Received: by 10.157.24.48 with SMTP id b45mr2110051ote.195.1519926627736; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 09:50:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.7.27 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:49:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Hardie Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:49:57 -0800 Message-ID: To: doh@ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org, precis@ietf.org, dprive@ietf.org, idnabis@ietf.org, Internet Architecture Board Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d6d86bb218c05665d7e22" Archived-At: Subject: [precis] IAB seeks volunteer to serve on ICANN study group for root zone label generation X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:50:34 -0000 --001a113d6d86bb218c05665d7e22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Greetings, As part of their work on the deployment of IDNs in the root zone, ICANN plans to convene a technical study group on the application of root zone label generation rules . They have the asked the IAB to assist in the nomination of experts to this panel, and the IAB has agreed. We are therefore seeking community volunteers to assist with this work. The technical experts are expected to be familiar with the technical standards and the issues relevant to these ICANN activities, primarily DNS and IDNA2008 standards and DNS registry operational practices. See the link above for additional background and applicable areas of expertise. If you are interested, please send a short email message to iab-chair@iab.org with a copy to execd@iab.org with your motivation and information concerning your familiarity with the IETF and ICANN. The deadline for volunteering is March 16, 2018. Thanks, Ted Hardie for the IAB --001a113d6d86bb218c05665d7e22 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Greetings,

As part of their work on the deployment o= f IDNs in the root zone, ICANN plans to con= vene a technical study group on the application of root zone label= generation rules .=C2=A0 They have the asked the IAB to assist in the nomination of experts= =20 to this panel, and the IAB has agreed.=C2=A0 We are therefore seeking=20 community volunteers to assist with this work. =C2=A0

The tech= nical experts are expected=20 to be familiar with the technical standards and the issues relevant to these ICANN activities, primarily DNS and= =20 IDNA2008 standards and DNS registry operational practices. See the link=20 above for additional background and applicable areas of expertise.

If you = are interested, please send a short email=20 message to iab-chair= @iab.org with a copy to execd@iab.org with your=20 motivation and information concerning your familiarity with the IETF and ICANN.=C2=A0 The deadline for volunteering= is March 16, 2018.

Thanks,

Ted Hardie
for the IAB

--001a113d6d86bb218c05665d7e22-- From paul.crovella@gmail.com Wed Mar 14 09:04:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F71126D73 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X5q6uinIyEG6 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com (mail-lf0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C252B1252BA for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id a22-v6so5607546lfg.9 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GhmI/3ceB9ksUfXme4DB9EdO7CrCBo9i83NeD9a4SqU=; b=lvGLQRxUeIze9ONopW0rzVYGFbyH+5KW1EVcRepoISFdbBVFUulkKv3Cw58XX/OnRy kxqvaWzwsME0WCkUg9amgi921Cagxe+kJVhCmuNB4FCe3sW5lSS1QAYbZljEUuE12IyI esRck1kzSoKw8stQcpahj4sTbTxI0U1FdbX5zS3BfZqe6BAi+LJAodfyykg6S4tuavex ARJsfhNmYaNKzu3w5DVSNxH0jmj9uV5pAf7bjcqaJSs/gHRPzxtrSo2eUFhnRr36poEK hz3+MNHLcCRetphmPAhvWATGZtAstHltuiCN+5oXTYsEshAHyNBnESaNFmWScMSh70+7 RXGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GhmI/3ceB9ksUfXme4DB9EdO7CrCBo9i83NeD9a4SqU=; b=DIkS2mKsYxonI77zEUwxia9sQb02JuqeNcoC37nW3Lth8GsQdDko7sXk2CWny7LZ+2 /io5Cotin8fRFi10oQEVWC7KyEoF5Oy7WMbybJaRQFUrWn0TXfa/5F7Jrq31kyWEYHH5 oWekiaxKvTh8wAJUapRgWdV7CPm9HMHng96fHb4I6V+BtbZF4P5jKuIkRazFHIvW05bi Y87nu26b7i+KRUP+DeWleFYOsN6kY2nvtvyQFsP6DV/DXLTMAvhWNaJLFAijxM34kWKb oqqrnJlB5nKsdfIlc0y1lrUBDIJ8MIwatrXSeH2yD5xfH0h9Acb5Gsbavbdb85+7DNM9 +QZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GrygACjAVaVdlh1Th/6m4gMOCLBDn+GsaFpXBzsBcHlCTgmLou u8R7M0WAH4yAnLLGKdHayfDf8KcNccz5dOKZ1iOC X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuEnSU4RXLYGdjR0sCmHurCAQgExOW9rxCPN67NLsedRTexxL2VwZH08mBqg1CVzpJQFG5rAKZwVGOAw8T9U0Y= X-Received: by 2002:a19:9cd2:: with SMTP id f201-v6mr3747947lfe.9.1521043475847; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.23.141 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Crovella Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:04:35 -0700 Message-ID: To: precis@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [precis] RFC 8264 / 8265 Order of rules X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:08:37 -0000 Followup question on https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/precis/current/msg01445.html > implementations should follow the order of rules in Section 7 of RFC 8264. Should string class validation then be moved from the preparation step of all profiles to the end of enforcement? I don't know whether there'd be a practical effect on profiles using the FreeformClass string class (OpaqueString and RFC 8266's Nickname), or if there's the potential to be, but it'd be nice to know where to do things. Cheers, Paul From nobody Mon Mar 19 06:46:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A82126D74 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62EEONnK4CtC for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp122.ord1d.emailsrvr.com (smtp122.ord1d.emailsrvr.com [184.106.54.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1262126D3F for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp8.relay.ord1d.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp8.relay.ord1d.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 21146C0076 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: fsb@thefsb.org Received: by smtp8.relay.ord1d.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id F14FFC0066 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:45:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: fsb@thefsb.org Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-76-119-4-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [76.119.4.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.7.12); Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:45:57 -0400 From: "Tom Worster" To: precis@ietf.org Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:45:45 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate Trial (1.11r5462) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown Archived-At: Subject: [precis] IANA's PRECIS Derived Property Value Registry X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:45:59 -0000 When I tried to incorporated this registry into unit tests I learned about: Note: IANA is requested to not make further updates to this registry until it receives notice from the IESG that the issues described in [IAB-Statement] and Section 13.5 of this document have been settled. In the tests I worked around the issue and commented // IANA PRECIS tables are stuck on Unicode 6.3.0 so there are lots of assigned // characters that this table lists as unassigned. What's the likelihood that these issues will be resolved? Tom From nobody Mon Mar 19 07:01:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF03126D45 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=gzQanzE3; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yitter.info header.b=nDPlAuK4 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bjFKQmcduZEO for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.yitter.info (mx4.yitter.info [159.203.56.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BDF91204DA for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DCCBE780 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:01:14 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1521468074; bh=3KtlffCM/ez+snECE232OWsAFPIl/BtWrz5/OuRlDvs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=gzQanzE3RQOIXv1Jv7tEhZ+TUOs2eBXabpSaUkT/IZhS8/I6zUb7/8VXvdqW9y9gV kA+E+vM/iTF9MYWQwMFIIJa24xugB2c426br3KAP0NWvGxNECjyiRSS1M68b/wRR00 lAxfwHBOklPEGK1PXsNfTV26uGxAQU5IfIiM6O2s= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx4.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3SQptC9A0A73 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:01:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yitter.info; s=default; t=1521468072; bh=3KtlffCM/ez+snECE232OWsAFPIl/BtWrz5/OuRlDvs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=nDPlAuK4e1TkS+ifu0O2IVQgbP3kTiwtFUSubo5TTRHyOPxPuTYnV+JwFG7HOxD/b 1EhCoLyvR2HYg1uRGoKni+6ZEtVLqMUhtO71NcI20H4uScECcg0v6a85L4SknnQQL5 VkOHrKpUuxjooc8KdQ5J7GJaUGHqTq6DYRHTH9ck= From: Andrew Sullivan To: precis@ietf.org Message-ID: <20180319140105.zawdgqfbzig3mdr7@mx4.yitter.info> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [precis] IANA's PRECIS Derived Property Value Registry X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:01:49 -0000 On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 09:45:45AM -0400, Tom Worster wrote: > What's the likelihood that these issues will be resolved? Pretty good, I imagine: https://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence-reports-documents/2018-2/iab-statement-on-identifiers-and-unicode/ A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Mon Mar 19 07:31:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C0412741D for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:30:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TLIXBqaXlPQc for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cheri.viagenie.ca (cheri.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAB5B1241F3 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cheri.viagenie.ca (Postfix, from userid 2010) id 002E5DBAB4; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.13] (h148.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.148]) by cheri.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8407EDBAB0; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Tom Worster" Cc: precis@ietf.org Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:30:26 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11r5462) Message-ID: <7795ED98-04A3-47C9-AF12-8D7F8037DD91@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [precis] IANA's PRECIS Derived Property Value Registry X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:31:00 -0000 On 19 Mar 2018, at 9:45, Tom Worster wrote: > When I tried to incorporated this registry into unit tests I learned > about: > > Note: IANA is requested to not make further updates to this > registry > until it receives notice from the IESG that the issues described in > [IAB-Statement] and Section 13.5 of this document have been > settled. > > In the tests I worked around the issue and commented > > // IANA PRECIS tables are stuck on Unicode 6.3.0 so there are lots > of assigned > // characters that this table lists as unassigned. > > What's the likelihood that these issues will be resolved? yeap. you are reading my mind. Precis was based on idna2008. idna2008 was stuck to 6.3.0 so was precis. However, very recently, IAB « unlocked » idna, so I think this working group should look into the same. I was about to start a thread on this, you were just faster than me! Marc. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > precis mailing list > precis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/precis From nobody Mon Mar 19 08:20:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E71128961 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:20:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pk2Xm_Oad0Wo for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A9D4127873 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1exwaa-000CfJ-8w; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:20:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:20:38 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Tom Worster , precis@ietf.org Message-ID: <073884D7D9EDDAAB5F2EEC2D@PSB> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [precis] IANA's PRECIS Derived Property Value Registry X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:20:51 -0000 --On Monday, March 19, 2018 09:45 -0400 Tom Worster wrote: > When I tried to incorporated this registry into unit tests I > learned about: > > Note: IANA is requested to not make further updates to > this registry > until it receives notice from the IESG that the issues > described in > [IAB-Statement] and Section 13.5 of this document have > been settled. > > In the tests I worked around the issue and commented > > // IANA PRECIS tables are stuck on Unicode 6.3.0 so there > are lots of assigned > // characters that this table lists as unassigned. > > What's the likelihood that these issues will be resolved? I concur with Andrew's comment and hope that PRECIS doesn't even need revision or an explicit update. However, you should also note that those table are not normative and never have been, so nothing prevents you from running your own calculations against the derived property rules (which are the normative part). good luck, john From nobody Mon Mar 19 08:42:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E89127871 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=samwhited.com header.b=D4k2hi7y; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=VrXIOnTs Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 64XTZpLOR-vj for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8472E12D77A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5D20D3A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web5 ([10.202.2.215]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:42:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=samwhited.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=IeTpKFO31BLUeR1MOMPSahvdhUv3m T8sX/VZGhNX7kY=; b=D4k2hi7yrsypVMipIwMrBatBh6SSyhgS2n4ukZ6O9u5Ok deu5e3S8vt9KawXm1IlITsYShCGsu7hEt1nC4p2bEyCGI5ek20jTpcEO0e7OtJBz xjx7lQuVNI91fU9RvVbFDSTSqxcgMlBJETsIa3t4btsY/3l09drFRsCiqdBArFEL 9caEoUbjQQB0Uxb2a+R+kRehT1j+dAg7qxMlDbF5/0ZV0Zh6+WqNDij7VyTuQkwM PvTtuy3BTB3jWr7o2kRdxiRA2iB5acoOfcV5k9E0QIHB/VCN/AUaFXIm13DC7Ons f46o6PBiU7oGxdVysO53wQ49cE3B3uRah3Pvir/oQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=IeTpKF O31BLUeR1MOMPSahvdhUv3mT8sX/VZGhNX7kY=; b=VrXIOnTsQiXUjTSsjn3yoS Bz4HJjfYa7ZhwP1Wp41/0nGQxcBbT85XYZ0zGX7CoF+IylodnK0Kvx0vnE6eDNox awUntmLmJK+qHGYL7c/3k4BKsG1F7X4cM3yPqTQcjy7vlymFn8PTUsyk3pzwjrr5 V4DiHJZ/NYIJr3ZDYgvgR9Je6y43z2I0lR4RSGGFUD99+3Qgn1Bu18Gz9bolNKCg FyebTG5Rmn2sF+8ked2mT+1lRU3E9W/FhlUbQC8QbO9iLgJ6JcKlh7rr/gQlgBJ1 m1glWJAubDrXKrbFO7kW9whHeSnxdWICG87F5U2kxGZHOUj/NyKjel8teak28ZOw == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id B78519E094; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1521474146.1007816.1308364336.20A87C19@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Sam Whited To: precis@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-5ce6c4ba In-Reply-To: <073884D7D9EDDAAB5F2EEC2D@PSB> References: <073884D7D9EDDAAB5F2EEC2D@PSB> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:42:26 -0500 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [precis] IANA's PRECIS Derived Property Value Registry X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:42:30 -0000 On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, at 10:20, John C Klensin wrote: > I concur with Andrew's comment and hope that PRECIS doesn't even > need revision or an explicit update. However, you should also > note that those table are not normative and never have been, so > nothing prevents you from running your own calculations against > the derived property rules (which are the normative part). I am currently building tries based on the derived property rules, but woul= d still appreciate the IANA values being updated. 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[31.133.136.193]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p29sm912399wmf.3.2018.03.19.08.52.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: Suzanne Woolf In-Reply-To: <1521474146.1007816.1308364336.20A87C19@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:52:05 -0400 Cc: precis@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B3282E5-35F6-4658-9CAF-83B6D8ABAD76@gmail.com> References: <073884D7D9EDDAAB5F2EEC2D@PSB> <1521474146.1007816.1308364336.20A87C19@webmail.messagingengine.com> To: Sam Whited X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [precis] IANA's PRECIS Derived Property Value Registry X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:52:10 -0000 > On Mar 19, 2018, at 11:42 AM, Sam Whited wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, at 10:20, John C Klensin wrote: >> I concur with Andrew's comment and hope that PRECIS doesn't even >> need revision or an explicit update. However, you should also >> note that those table are not normative and never have been, so >> nothing prevents you from running your own calculations against >> the derived property rules (which are the normative part). >=20 > I am currently building tries based on the derived property rules, but = would still appreciate the IANA values being updated. Normative or not, = I would like to test my implementation against someone elses. The IAB statement contains a rough target for the update to be done by = June 2018. I can=E2=80=99t speak for either the designated expert or the = IAB, but I=E2=80=99ve been informally assured that this won=E2=80=99t be = a problem. So, I=E2=80=99d look for the updated tables by then. Suzanne From nobody Mon Mar 19 09:48:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: precis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C1E12D7EC for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:48:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FHwp4Wip5vMn for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp74.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp74.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D2B4128959 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp26.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp26.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E155E5883; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: fsb@thefsb.org Received: by smtp26.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 9E77254EA; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: fsb@thefsb.org Received: from [10.2.0.1] (c-76-119-4-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [76.119.4.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.7.12); Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:59 -0400 From: "Tom Worster" To: "John C Klensin" , "Sam Whited" Cc: precis@ietf.org Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:47 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate Trial (1.11r5462) Message-ID: <32C32A01-2EAF-4285-B511-29618EF06212@thefsb.org> In-Reply-To: <1521474146.1007816.1308364336.20A87C19@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <073884D7D9EDDAAB5F2EEC2D@PSB> <1521474146.1007816.1308364336.20A87C19@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [precis] IANA's PRECIS Derived Property Value Registry X-BeenThere: precis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:48:05 -0000 On 19 Mar 2018, at 11:42, Sam Whited wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, at 10:20, John C Klensin wrote: >> I concur with Andrew's comment and hope that PRECIS doesn't even >> need revision or an explicit update. However, you should also >> note that those table are not normative and never have been, so >> nothing prevents you from running your own calculations against >> the derived property rules (which are the normative part). Hi John, That's what I did. I used the IANA table only in unit tests to compare against my own calculations. > I am currently building tries based on the derived property rules, but > would still appreciate the IANA values being updated. Normative or > not, I would like to test my implementation against someone elses. Hi Sam, You can test against my implementation if you like. https://github.com/tom--/precis The really tricky part remains open for me: test vectors with strings, not characters, that exercise _all_ the normative PRECIS logic. Unfortunately I don't have much time for this work atm. Tom