From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 06:13:21 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA20179 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAR6Y-0002bB-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 06:13:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAR5W-0002T1-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 06:12:19 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAR4b-0002LP-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 06:11:21 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i359sqT8000447 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:54:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i359sqfo000446 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:54:52 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from magma (tbnb-110-184.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.110.184]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i359snrh000441 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:54:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: by magma (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B3D8C32A4F3; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:55:01 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact From: Andre Marais To: IETF Provreg Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-khNrS9mt+AIUOvWjtsv1" Organization: Flame Computing Enterprises Message-Id: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:55:00 +0200 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 --=-khNrS9mt+AIUOvWjtsv1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, When looking at EPP base commands (specifically check) and the contact mapping specification I could not help but notice the following with regard to the check command for provisioning contacts within the system. If a registry wants to provision a contact within the system, it first needs to poll the systems using contact:check, and only if the unique identifier (which might be arbitrarily chosen) does not exist, could it create the identifier with the relevant required information. Now even though such a scheme would work (initially), what would happen when you have 10 registrars (or even more) all provisioning within a single registry, and using any particular identifier generation scheme (random, range sequential etc) to generate identifiers for provisioned contact records. As the number of contact records increase (or rather the number of unique identifiers) and the number of registrars increase, the probability of unique identifiers clashing increases also. When these identifier clashes become more frequent, one could expect that there would be an increase in contact:check command storms together with a increased latency when processing transactions that requires contact provisioning. Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? If this was discussed before, and a solution was provided, please direct me so that I could steer clear of digging up old bones. Regards, Andre --=20 Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its=20 creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain=20 too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. - Albert Einstein. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views or representations contained in this message, whether express or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other entity or person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --=-khNrS9mt+AIUOvWjtsv1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAcSz0toKu6iM68osRAttJAJ9vQAvS50T62idTyfwzCIDkLiX5GACfUrMP m8MYdCSzynQmLB+JyjH5usA= =+WVa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-khNrS9mt+AIUOvWjtsv1-- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 10:59:59 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05841 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAVZx-0001cA-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:00:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAVYp-0001Qy-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:58:51 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAVYA-0001Ik-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:58:10 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35EggHh002379 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:42:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35EggIB002378 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:42:42 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35EgeTF002373 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:42:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BAVJ8-000LY6-4z; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:42:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Provreg From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:43:18 -0400 To: Andre Marais X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5 Apr 2004, at 05:55, Andre Marais wrote: > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? Which identifier do you mean? I think the only identifiers mentioned in the base spec are transaction identifiers. Collisions between clTRIDs used by different registrars are legal; svTRIDs are generated by the server in all cases, and hence making them unique should be straightforward. Joe From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 11:14:41 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07108 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAVoB-0004Dr-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:14:43 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAVnP-00046M-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:13:56 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAVmo-0003xY-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:13:18 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ev2wD002538 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:57:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35Ev2xt002537 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:57:02 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ev1XY002532 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:57:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i35Evfop005128 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:57:00 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFA45@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'" Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC 3733 Erratum Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:57:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 I found an error in RFC 3733 after it was released. Sorry, I didn't catch the error in this document even though I did catch it in both the core and domain documents. Oh, well. I've sent an erratum notice to the RFC Editor. It's not showing up in their database as of the time I'm writing this, but it will hopefully show up shortly. The error: numbered pages 22 and 23 of RFC 3733 (section 3.2.4) describe an example transfer request response. The result code and result message are incorrect. Instead of: S: S: Command completed successfully they should be: S: S: Command completed successfully; action pending -Scott- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 11:44:14 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07543 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAWGm-0000XF-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:44:16 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAW5z-0006iw-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:33:07 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAVrI-0004XA-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:17:56 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35F2XlC002619 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:02:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35F2Xhq002618 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:02:33 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com ([207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35F2WS8002613 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:02:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dev3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.40] helo=ca.afilias.info) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1BAVcM-0001io-P7; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:02:30 -0400 Message-ID: <40717507.987734CE@ca.afilias.info> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:02:31 -0400 From: janusz sienkiewicz Organization: Afilias Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-3custom i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Marais CC: IETF Provreg Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: janusz@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andre Marais wrote: > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > A small adjustment to EPP protocol would help with the potential inconvenience. Element in contact create request could be OPTIONAL. The absence of the element in a contact create request would indicate that the server should generate contact identifier for the new contact. The format of contact create response would remain unchanged. Clients that don't pass values for desired unique identifiers could obtain server assigned values from create responses. Janusz Sienkiewicz From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 12:11:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11719 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAWhT-0005FX-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:11:51 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAWdl-0004Uk-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:08:02 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAWUB-00031P-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:58:07 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35FbXEZ002999 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35FbXLb002998 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:33 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from magma (tbnb-110-184.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.110.184]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35FbULL002993 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: by magma (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A599334F21D; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:50 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact From: Andre Marais To: Joe Abley Cc: IETF Provreg In-Reply-To: <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS" Organization: Flame Computing Enterprises Message-Id: <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:37:50 +0200 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 --=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? >=20 > Which identifier do you mean? As per the example from draft-ietf-provreg-epp-contact-06: C: C: C: C: C: C: sh8013 C: sah8013 C: 8013sah C: C: C: ABC-12345 C: C: The identifier I was referring to was the contact:id element as shown above. This field should be server-unique according to the spec, and as explained could cause problems in high-volume cases. > I think the only identifiers mentioned in the base spec are transaction=20 > identifiers. Collisions between clTRIDs used by different registrars=20 > are legal; svTRIDs are generated by the server in all cases, and hence=20 > making them unique should be straightforward. Agreed, but see above. Regards, Andre --=20 Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its=20 creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain=20 too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. - Albert Einstein. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views or representations contained in this message, whether express or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other entity or person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAcX1OtoKu6iM68osRAidEAJ9tvssSCaCkCEeAhGjnmFkXO7UZNgCfSlwV ePoBFLsSGSZW1xxr6InTnn8= =94K2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS-- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 12:25:40 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13165 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAWus-0007QC-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:25:42 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAWsL-0006yv-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:23:06 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAWn6-00061B-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:17:40 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35G2N0M003165 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:23 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35G2Ndq003164 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:23 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from magma (tbnb-110-184.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.110.184]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35G2KZl003159 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: by magma (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E70C34F21D; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:42 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact From: Andre Marais To: janusz sienkiewicz Cc: IETF Provreg In-Reply-To: <40717507.987734CE@ca.afilias.info> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <40717507.987734CE@ca.afilias.info> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+" Organization: Flame Computing Enterprises Message-Id: <1081180962.15771.101.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:02:42 +0200 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 --=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Janusz, > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > > >=20 > A small adjustment to EPP protocol would help with the potential > inconvenience. Element in contact create request could be > OPTIONAL. The absence of the element in a contact create request would > indicate that the server should generate contact identifier for the new > contact. The format of contact create response would remain unchanged. > Clients that don't pass values for desired unique identifiers could obtai= n > server assigned values from create responses. Agreed. What are the chances of this being accepted as standard? Regards, Andre --=20 Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its=20 creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain=20 too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. - Albert Einstein. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views or representations contained in this message, whether express or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other entity or person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAcYMitoKu6iM68osRAlV4AJ9kONQ/WtWGHSQ+mk9hrsMs1hW1sQCfe4CM 8FrLK3cFCDDnqHZfxrN0x24= =RErR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+-- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 13:37:34 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18610 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAY2Q-0001rv-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:37:34 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXrq-0007nM-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:26:39 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXWL-0005HG-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:04:25 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35GprPO003612 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35GprnK003611 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:53 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Gpp2B003602 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.61]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i35GqRop010014; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:51:46 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFA60@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'Andre Marais'" Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:52:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 > Agreed. What are the chances of this being accepted as standard? Zero. The RFCs were just published. The only opportunity for change now is if/when the documents are considered for progression to draft standard. That won't be in the near future. Plus, I'm not convinced that this is a real problem. What kind of "check storms" are you expecting when creating contacts? If you can handle the volume of check commands received for domain names, the volume of contact checks is probably quite small in comparison. In addition, this sort of server-created identifier would make the contact create command inconsistent with the domain and host create commands. -Scott- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 13:37:46 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18680 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAY2c-0001wL-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:37:46 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXt6-0000DH-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:27:58 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXZA-0005Zk-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:07:20 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Gp1OH003599 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35Gp1xA003598 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:01 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.ar.com (customer-reverse-entry.69.59.189.34 [69.59.189.34] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35GoxK8003593 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:50:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: by mail.ar.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EB14914804C; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from king (adsl-68-125-132-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.125.132.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.ar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10614804C; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Wesson To: Andre Marais Cc: IETF Provreg Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact In-Reply-To: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Pick a namespace for all your contacts, such as FLAME-?????-CT anything created with that prefix is yours, the likely hood of others creating contacts within your space seems unlikely. the handlespace is 16 chars wide (it think) and should have plenty of unused names. -rick On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Andre Marais wrote: > Hi All, > > When looking at EPP base commands (specifically check) and the contact > mapping specification I could not help but notice the following with > regard to the check command for provisioning contacts within the system. > > If a registry wants to provision a contact within the system, it first > needs to poll the systems using contact:check, and only if the unique > identifier (which might be arbitrarily chosen) does not exist, could it > create the identifier with the relevant required information. > > Now even though such a scheme would work (initially), what would happen > when you have 10 registrars (or even more) all provisioning within a > single registry, and using any particular identifier generation scheme > (random, range sequential etc) to generate identifiers for provisioned > contact records. As the number of contact records increase (or rather > the number of unique identifiers) and the number of registrars increase, > the probability of unique identifiers clashing increases also. > > When these identifier clashes become more frequent, one could expect > that there would be an increase in contact:check command storms together > with a increased latency when processing transactions that requires > contact provisioning. > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > > If this was discussed before, and a solution was provided, please direct > me so that I could steer clear of digging up old bones. > > Regards, > Andre > > -- > Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its > creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain > too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. > - Albert Einstein. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > LEGAL DISCLAIMER: > The views or representations contained in this message, whether express > or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly > states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, > who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to > represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other entity or > person. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 13:40:42 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19222 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAY5S-0002Zt-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:40:42 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAY3Y-00027v-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:38:45 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAXxB-0000uQ-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:32:09 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35HIWLU003944 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:18:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35HIWuK003943 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:18:32 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from popintmanex.int.poptel.net (popintmanex.poptel.org.uk [213.55.9.22]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35HIVqH003938 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:18:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: by exchange.poptel.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2KWCM0GK>; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:18:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: Antony Perkov To: Rick Wesson , Andre Marais Cc: IETF Provreg Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:18:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 In case anyone is interested, this is something we enforce as a matter of policy in the .coop registry. It has worked well so far in terms of preventing ID collisions, but is a little strange when people start transferring contacts back and forth, and causes some confusion when people first integrate with our system (i.e. when they get errors because their IDs don't comply with our rules). > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Wesson [mailto:wessorh@ar.com] > Sent: 05 April 2004 17:51 > To: Andre Marais > Cc: IETF Provreg > Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact > > > Pick a namespace for all your contacts, such as > FLAME-?????-CT anything > created with that prefix is yours, the likely hood of others creating > contacts within your space seems unlikely. > > the handlespace is 16 chars wide (it think) and should have plenty > of unused names. > > -rick > > On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Andre Marais wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > When looking at EPP base commands (specifically check) and > the contact > > mapping specification I could not help but notice the following with > > regard to the check command for provisioning contacts > within the system. > > > > If a registry wants to provision a contact within the > system, it first > > needs to poll the systems using contact:check, and only if > the unique > > identifier (which might be arbitrarily chosen) does not > exist, could it > > create the identifier with the relevant required information. > > > > Now even though such a scheme would work (initially), what > would happen > > when you have 10 registrars (or even more) all provisioning within a > > single registry, and using any particular identifier > generation scheme > > (random, range sequential etc) to generate identifiers for > provisioned > > contact records. As the number of contact records increase > (or rather > > the number of unique identifiers) and the number of > registrars increase, > > the probability of unique identifiers clashing increases also. > > > > When these identifier clashes become more frequent, one could expect > > that there would be an increase in contact:check command > storms together > > with a increased latency when processing transactions that requires > > contact provisioning. > > > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier > generation on > > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > > > > If this was discussed before, and a solution was provided, > please direct > > me so that I could steer clear of digging up old bones. > > > > Regards, > > Andre > > > > -- > > Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its > > creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain > > too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. > > - Albert Einstein. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > LEGAL DISCLAIMER: > > The views or representations contained in this message, > whether express > > or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that > sender expressly > > states them to be the view or representations of an entity > or person, > > who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to > > represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other > entity or > > person. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 16:59:29 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08724 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAbBq-0003MO-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:59:30 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAaxY-0000cY-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:44:45 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAaPS-0005Xq-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:09:31 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35JrIsV004990 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:53:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35JrIw6004989 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:53:18 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35JrGuG004984 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:53:16 +0200 (MEST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA00935; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404051953.PAA00935@ietf.org> From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , Edward Lewis Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area has concluded. With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, the PROVREG working group has completed all of its chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing list will remain open for discussion of both extensions and the task of moving the documents through the standards track. The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 17:43:50 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10528 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAbsm-0007ZZ-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:43:52 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAbG9-00047p-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:03:58 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAb6K-0002HV-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:53:48 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ke7cO005446 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:40:07 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35Ke7SE005445 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:40:07 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ke5W4005440 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:40:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05066; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404052040.QAA05066@ietf.org> From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , Edward Lewis Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:40:02 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area has concluded. With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, the PROVREG working group has completed all of its chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing list will remain open for discussion of both extensions and the task of moving the documents through the standards track. The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Mon Apr 5 18:04:59 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA14430 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAcDF-0003aQ-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:05:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAbxX-0000ea-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:48:48 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAbNk-00059w-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:11:49 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Kta3U005613 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:55:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35KtZNP005612 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:55:35 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com (numenor.qualcomm.com [129.46.51.58]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35KtXX3005607 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:55:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from crowley.qualcomm.com (crowley.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.151]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id i35KtVV2000537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.227.161] (carbuncle.qualcomm.com [129.46.227.161]) by crowley.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id i35KtS3P017550 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hardie@mage.qualcomm.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:55:28 -0700 To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se From: Ted Hardie Subject: Fwd: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 I'd like to offer my congratulations to the group, its editors, and the chairs for their work. Thanks for all the good work! regards, Ted Hardie >X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to >owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f >From: The IESG >To: IETF-Announce: ; >Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , > Edward Lewis >Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning >Registry Protocol WG (provreg) >Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 >Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se >X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.92886, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.93542, >Antispam-Data: 2004.4.5.96344 > >The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area >has concluded. > >With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, >the PROVREG working group has completed all of its >chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing >list will remain open for discussion of both extensions >and the task of moving the documents through the >standards track. > >The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Tue Apr 6 16:16:56 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25555 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAx0D-0004dp-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:16:57 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAwWq-0006vg-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:46:38 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAvfd-00015x-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:51:37 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36IaKxI016999 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:36:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36IaK1T016998 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:36:20 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [192.149.252.32]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36IaJRf016993 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:36:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 5003) id 7093692B; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arin.net (mta [192.136.136.126]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12E34FA; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (account edlewis HELO [192.136.136.41]) by arin.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 1474726; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:36:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: edlewis@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:36:16 -0400 To: Ted Hardie From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: Fwd: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Thanks, Ted. I'm still in a state of happy and contented shock myself. I'd like to thank those involved for helping achieve what we set out to do. I hope that the effort pushes on to Draft Standard without the formalization of a new WG. At 13:55 -0700 4/5/04, Ted Hardie wrote: >I'd like to offer my congratulations to the group, its editors, and >the chairs for their work. Thanks for all the good work! > regards, > Ted Hardie > > > >>X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to >>owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f >>From: The IESG >>To: IETF-Announce: ; >>Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , >> Edward Lewis >>Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning >>Registry Protocol WG (provreg) >>Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 >>Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se >>X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.92886, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.93542, >>Antispam-Data: 2004.4.5.96344 >> >>The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area >>has concluded. >> >>With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, >>the PROVREG working group has completed all of its >>chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing >>list will remain open for discussion of both extensions >>and the task of moving the documents through the >>standards track. >> >>The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-703-227-9854 ARIN Research Engineer If time travel were ever to be realized, public key crypto is toast. 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Wednesday, April 7, 2004 If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, please go to: http://www.computeradvice.org/unsubscribe.asp --D5E399_5D_79C25C.14A6.-- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Tue Apr 6 17:00:43 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA26977 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAxga-0000uE-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:00:45 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAwmN-00029R-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:02:40 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAw5z-0003g0-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:18:56 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36I8ktD016682 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:08:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36I8kn4016681 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:08:46 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36I8igW016676 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:08:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BAv05-000P6G-UE; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:08:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EEEA1CC-87F5-11D8-9823-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Provreg From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:08:40 -0400 To: Andre Marais X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5 Apr 2004, at 11:37, Andre Marais wrote: > Hi Joe, > >>> Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on >>> the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? >> >> Which identifier do you mean? > > As per the example from draft-ietf-provreg-epp-contact-06: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were just talking about the base spec. RFC 3733 describes the contact:id element as enclosing the desired server-unique identifier; the corresponding response (on success) contains the actual server-unique identifier used. It has been a while since I looked at the code, but I think in OpenReg we ignore the client-supplied contact:id data and generate our own server-unique data to be returned in the corresponding response field. We don't throw errors if the client-supplied string collides with someone existing contact:id -- we just ignore it. Are there server implementations in the wild which return errors if the client-supplied contact:id element is empty, or contains a non-server-unique string? Joe From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Tue Apr 6 19:07:44 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA08544 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAzfW-0000Kv-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:07:46 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAyb5-0001EO-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:59:08 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAxtF-0002Cf-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:13:49 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36KwE9E018159 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:58:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36KwEAi018158 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:58:14 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com ([207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36KwC5G018153 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:58:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dev3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.40] helo=ca.afilias.info) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1BAxe6-0006hI-R1; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:58:12 -0400 From: janusz sienkiewicz Organization: Afilias Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-3custom i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley CC: IETF Provreg Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> <6EEEA1CC-87F5-11D8-9823-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: janusz@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Abley wrote: > Are there server implementations in the wild which return errors if the > client-supplied contact:id element is empty, or contains a > non-server-unique string? > I think an EPP standard compliant server implementation should return error response if the client-supplied contact:id element is empty. The XML type for the element is clIDType and the type has minimum length which is 3. Assigning a value by the server in case of non-server-unique string could be very confusing for some clients. It is probably safer to return error code. Janusz Sienkiewicz From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Tue Apr 6 19:19:14 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA08856 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAzqc-0001LK-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:19:14 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BAygD-0001zO-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:04:26 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BAy2Q-00036Q-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:23:18 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36L7qf2018233 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:07:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36L7qAY018232 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:07:52 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36L7p9L018227 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:07:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BAxnR-000PUj-G5; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:49 +0000 In-Reply-To: <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> <6EEEA1CC-87F5-11D8-9823-00039312C852@isc.org> <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <746AF8FD-880E-11D8-86E8-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Provreg From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:07:47 -0400 To: janusz sienkiewicz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6 Apr 2004, at 16:58, janusz sienkiewicz wrote: > Joe Abley wrote: > >> Are there server implementations in the wild which return errors if >> the >> client-supplied contact:id element is empty, or contains a >> non-server-unique string? >> > > I think an EPP standard compliant server implementation should return > error > response if the client-supplied contact:id element is empty. The XML > type > for the element is clIDType and the type has minimum length which is 3. Ah, good point. > Assigning a value by the server in case of non-server-unique string > could be > very confusing for some clients. It is probably safer to return error > code. The spec seemed fairly clear to me that clients shouldn't expect the server-unique string in the response to be the same as the server-unique string they suggested, but upon re-reading, it does seem reasonable to not make that assumption. Scott: what did you intend, here? Janusz: I like your proposal to make optional, too. I wish someone had suggested it before last call :-) Joe From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 7 09:28:23 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA18733 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBD6O-0003Xt-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:28:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBBfG-0003C3-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:56:19 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBAzb-0004sf-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:13:15 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37As5cY025274 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:54:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37As5FW025273 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:54:05 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37As3nj025268 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:54:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i37Aseop005571; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2LM216GV>; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:54:01 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB50@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'Joe Abley'" Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 > The spec seemed fairly clear to me that clients shouldn't expect the > server-unique string in the response to be the same as the > server-unique string they suggested, but upon re-reading, it > does seem > reasonable to not make that assumption. > > Scott: what did you intend, here? The id returned in the response is supposed to be the same one that the client requested to be created with the command. Just like domain and host names. -Scott- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 7 10:24:00 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28318 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBDyE-0003Z8-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:24:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBDE4-0004jT-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:36:21 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBBuY-0004Va-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:12:07 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37BpjvE025750 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37BpjcJ025749 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:45 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from smtp.denic.de (smtp.denic.de [81.91.161.3]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37BpgG0025741; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: from notes.denic.de ([192.168.0.77]) by smtp.denic.de with esmtp id 1BBBah-0005Hf-00; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> To: janusz sienkiewicz Cc: IETF Provreg , Joe Abley , owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Marcos Sanz/Denic Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:24 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes/Denic(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 07.04.2004 13:51:35, Serialize complete at 07.04.2004 13:51:35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 > Assigning a value by the server in case of non-server-unique string could be > very confusing for some clients. It is probably safer to return error code. Further, this behaviour makes the operation to lose the property of idempotency. Regards, Marcos From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 7 14:12:42 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22407 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBHXW-0000hQ-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:12:42 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBGiI-00007r-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:19:48 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBFSU-00050M-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:59:22 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37FeHX2027460 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37FeG9K027459 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:16 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37FeFrF027454 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BBF9v-00020C-Lv; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:40:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB50@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB50@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:40:09 -0400 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7 Apr 2004, at 06:54, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> The spec seemed fairly clear to me that clients shouldn't expect the >> server-unique string in the response to be the same as the >> server-unique string they suggested, but upon re-reading, it >> does seem >> reasonable to not make that assumption. >> >> Scott: what did you intend, here? > > The id returned in the response is supposed to be the same one that the > client requested to be created with the command. Just like domain and > host > names. So, just to clarify, the intention is for server-unique identifiers to be constructed by clients guessing repeatedly at strings which they think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't collide with an existing identifier on the server? Joe From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 7 16:31:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00764 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBJiA-0006QM-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:31:50 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBHet-0001iw-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:20:20 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBGrB-0001c7-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:28:58 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HBIAX028367 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:11:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37HBI2l028366 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:11:18 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HBHIn028361 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:11:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i37HBsop019837; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2LM2FBZN>; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:11:15 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB82@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'Joe Abley'" Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:12:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 > So, just to clarify, the intention is for server-unique > identifiers to > be constructed by clients guessing repeatedly at strings which they > think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't > collide with an > existing identifier on the server? Of course not, the contact creation process is just like the process used for domain and host creation. There's a command to confirm existence (and implementations should be lightweight enough to deal with high volumes of commands), and a command to do the deed once the existence question has been answered. Then again, if you believe that the situation with domains and hosts is one of "guessing repeatedly at strings which they think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't collide", then the answer to your question is "yes". It's not that different than registering a user name on a web forum, or with an IM service, with an ISP, etc. -Scott- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 7 16:53:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03130 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBK3S-0001Sb-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:53:50 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBI1p-0004PS-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:44:03 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBH4U-0003QV-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:42:43 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HOQ9V028530 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:24:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37HOQDY028529 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:24:26 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HOP9w028524 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:24:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BBGml-0002BC-Ig; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:24:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB82@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB82@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <65A8795C-88B8-11D8-86E8-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:24:16 -0400 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7 Apr 2004, at 13:12, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> So, just to clarify, the intention is for server-unique >> identifiers to >> be constructed by clients guessing repeatedly at strings which they >> think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't >> collide with an >> existing identifier on the server? > > Of course not, the contact creation process is just like the process > used > for domain and host creation. There's a command to confirm > existence (and implementations should be lightweight enough to deal > with > high volumes of commands), and a command to do the > deed > once the existence question has been answered. Right. So the client uses as many commands as necessary in order to identify a server-unique string, and that string is then used in the command. If the string identified by the commands becomes non-unique before the command is issued, presumably the client then has to start again. > Then again, if you believe that the situation with domains and hosts > is one > of "guessing repeatedly at strings which they think might be unique, > until > one is found that doesn't collide", then the answer to your question is > "yes". It's not that different than registering a user name on a web > forum, > or with an IM service, with an ISP, etc. I didn't mean to sound completely flippant (only slightly flippant :-) The difference between the two cases seems to be that in the case of domains and hosts, the unique identifiers are very much associated with the service the registry is being asked to provide. The registrar might be asked to create a server-unique identifier "isc.org", to be managed on behalf of a registrant, for example. If the server-unique identifier "isc.org" is not available, then the registrar can reasonably return a failure condition to the registrant and say "sorry, that domain is already taken." In the case of contacts, the server-unique identifier is incidental to the reason that a registrar is interacting with the registry. The registrar is not about to tell the registrant "sorry, I can't register whatyouwanted.org because my guess at what might be a server-unique string for your contact object was not good enough". It is elegant from a protocol specification perspective to have the server-unique identifiers in domain, host and contact objects handled the same way. From the point of view of practical domain registrations, though, it does not seem unreasonable for them to be handled differently. Joe From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 7 17:26:52 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09179 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBKZR-0006sW-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:26:53 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBIyH-0002Gw-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:44:27 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBHMl-0006tr-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:01:35 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HfMOb028721 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:41:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37HfLUg028720 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:41:21 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HfKk3028715 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:41:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i37Hfwop021011 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2LM2FCLC>; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB88@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'" Subject: [ietf-provreg] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-hollenbeck-epp-rgp-03.txt Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:42:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 FYI and discussion. With the EPP RFCs being finished I believe this document is ready to move along as well. Comments appreciated. I am considering asking Ted to move this along as a Proposed Standard because there are at least three registry operators who have demonstrated an interest in implementing this proposal. Informational is an alternative. -Scott- -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-admin@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:26 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-hollenbeck-epp-rgp-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Redemption Grace Period Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Author(s) : S. 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From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Fri Apr 9 10:57:47 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01743 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBxRz-00054S-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:57:47 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BBxQm-0004xV-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:56:32 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BBxPW-0004n2-00 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:55:14 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i39EYcU7020700 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:38 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i39EYc3c020699 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:38 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from bartok.sidn.nl (bartok.sidn.nl [193.176.144.164]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i39EYb15020694 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: from bartok.sidn.nl (localhost.sidn.nl [127.0.0.1]) by bartok.sidn.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i39EYUDq002016; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jaap@bartok.sidn.nl) Message-Id: <200404091434.i39EYUDq002016@bartok.sidn.nl> To: Edward Lewis cc: Ted Hardie , ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: Fwd: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:36:16 -0400. Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:34:30 +0200 From: Jaap Akkerhuis Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Thanks, Ted. I'm still in a state of happy and contented shock myself. Overhere as well. It also added some work. I'd like to thank those involved for helping achieve what we set out to do. I hope that the effort pushes on to Draft Standard without the formalization of a new WG. As said before, the mailing list is still existent and open. If there are complants on not getting provreg mail anymore, it is vey well possible that people had not working mailing adresses on the list. When people started to post again on this list, quite some mail arrived at the ietf-provreg-owner (beside the daily spam). Apparently a lot of people have changed mail adresses. 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(MEST) Received: from vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.61]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3GEQ0op029261 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFEC7@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'" Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP-RGP Update Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:26:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I just sent one last EPP-RGP extension draft update to the I-D administrator. This version makes some minor changes to change the term "whois" to use more generic language thanks to a private comment I received from Antony Perkov. Once the update is announced I will ask Ted to pick it up for IESG review. -Scott- Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i39EYcU7020700 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:38 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i39EYc3c020699 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:38 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from bartok.sidn.nl (bartok.sidn.nl [193.176.144.164]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i39EYb15020694 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: from bartok.sidn.nl (localhost.sidn.nl [127.0.0.1]) by bartok.sidn.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i39EYUDq002016; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:34:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jaap@bartok.sidn.nl) Message-Id: <200404091434.i39EYUDq002016@bartok.sidn.nl> To: Edward Lewis cc: Ted Hardie , ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: Fwd: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:36:16 -0400. Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:34:30 +0200 From: Jaap Akkerhuis Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Thanks, Ted. I'm still in a state of happy and contented shock myself. Overhere as well. It also added some work. I'd like to thank those involved for helping achieve what we set out to do. I hope that the effort pushes on to Draft Standard without the formalization of a new WG. As said before, the mailing list is still existent and open. If there are complants on not getting provreg mail anymore, it is vey well possible that people had not working mailing adresses on the list. When people started to post again on this list, quite some mail arrived at the ietf-provreg-owner (beside the daily spam). Apparently a lot of people have changed mail adresses. I have removed all addresses which bounced mail. jaap Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HfMOb028721 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:41:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37HfLUg028720 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:41:21 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HfKk3028715 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:41:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i37Hfwop021011 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2LM2FCLC>; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB88@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'" Subject: [ietf-provreg] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-hollenbeck-epp-rgp-03.txt Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:42:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk FYI and discussion. With the EPP RFCs being finished I believe this document is ready to move along as well. Comments appreciated. I am considering asking Ted to move this along as a Proposed Standard because there are at least three registry operators who have demonstrated an interest in implementing this proposal. Informational is an alternative. -Scott- -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-admin@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:26 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-hollenbeck-epp-rgp-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Redemption Grace Period Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Author(s) : S. Hollenbeck Filename : draft-hollenbeck-epp-rgp-03.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2004-4-6 This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) extension mapping for the management of Domain Name System (DNS) domain names subject to "grace period" policies defined by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). Grace period policies exist to allow protocol actions to be reversed or otherwise revoked during a short period of time after the protocol action has been performed. Specified in XML, this mapping extends the EPP domain name mapping to provide additional features required for grace period processing. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hollenbeck-epp-rgp-03.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HOQ9V028530 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:24:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37HOQDY028529 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:24:26 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HOP9w028524 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:24:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BBGml-0002BC-Ig; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:24:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB82@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB82@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <65A8795C-88B8-11D8-86E8-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:24:16 -0400 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk On 7 Apr 2004, at 13:12, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> So, just to clarify, the intention is for server-unique >> identifiers to >> be constructed by clients guessing repeatedly at strings which they >> think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't >> collide with an >> existing identifier on the server? > > Of course not, the contact creation process is just like the process > used > for domain and host creation. There's a command to confirm > existence (and implementations should be lightweight enough to deal > with > high volumes of commands), and a command to do the > deed > once the existence question has been answered. Right. So the client uses as many commands as necessary in order to identify a server-unique string, and that string is then used in the command. If the string identified by the commands becomes non-unique before the command is issued, presumably the client then has to start again. > Then again, if you believe that the situation with domains and hosts > is one > of "guessing repeatedly at strings which they think might be unique, > until > one is found that doesn't collide", then the answer to your question is > "yes". It's not that different than registering a user name on a web > forum, > or with an IM service, with an ISP, etc. I didn't mean to sound completely flippant (only slightly flippant :-) The difference between the two cases seems to be that in the case of domains and hosts, the unique identifiers are very much associated with the service the registry is being asked to provide. The registrar might be asked to create a server-unique identifier "isc.org", to be managed on behalf of a registrant, for example. If the server-unique identifier "isc.org" is not available, then the registrar can reasonably return a failure condition to the registrant and say "sorry, that domain is already taken." In the case of contacts, the server-unique identifier is incidental to the reason that a registrar is interacting with the registry. The registrar is not about to tell the registrant "sorry, I can't register whatyouwanted.org because my guess at what might be a server-unique string for your contact object was not good enough". It is elegant from a protocol specification perspective to have the server-unique identifiers in domain, host and contact objects handled the same way. From the point of view of practical domain registrations, though, it does not seem unreasonable for them to be handled differently. Joe Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HBIAX028367 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:11:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37HBI2l028366 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:11:18 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37HBHIn028361 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:11:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i37HBsop019837; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2LM2FBZN>; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:11:15 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB82@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'Joe Abley'" Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:12:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > So, just to clarify, the intention is for server-unique > identifiers to > be constructed by clients guessing repeatedly at strings which they > think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't > collide with an > existing identifier on the server? Of course not, the contact creation process is just like the process used for domain and host creation. There's a command to confirm existence (and implementations should be lightweight enough to deal with high volumes of commands), and a command to do the deed once the existence question has been answered. Then again, if you believe that the situation with domains and hosts is one of "guessing repeatedly at strings which they think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't collide", then the answer to your question is "yes". It's not that different than registering a user name on a web forum, or with an IM service, with an ISP, etc. -Scott- Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37FeHX2027460 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37FeG9K027459 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:16 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37FeFrF027454 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BBF9v-00020C-Lv; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:40:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB50@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB50@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:40:09 -0400 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk On 7 Apr 2004, at 06:54, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> The spec seemed fairly clear to me that clients shouldn't expect the >> server-unique string in the response to be the same as the >> server-unique string they suggested, but upon re-reading, it >> does seem >> reasonable to not make that assumption. >> >> Scott: what did you intend, here? > > The id returned in the response is supposed to be the same one that the > client requested to be created with the command. Just like domain and > host > names. So, just to clarify, the intention is for server-unique identifiers to be constructed by clients guessing repeatedly at strings which they think might be unique, until one is found that doesn't collide with an existing identifier on the server? Joe Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37BpjvE025750 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37BpjcJ025749 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:45 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from smtp.denic.de (smtp.denic.de [81.91.161.3]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37BpgG0025741; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: from notes.denic.de ([192.168.0.77]) by smtp.denic.de with esmtp id 1BBBah-0005Hf-00; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> To: janusz sienkiewicz Cc: IETF Provreg , Joe Abley , owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Marcos Sanz/Denic Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:51:24 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes/Denic(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 07.04.2004 13:51:35, Serialize complete at 07.04.2004 13:51:35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > Assigning a value by the server in case of non-server-unique string could be > very confusing for some clients. It is probably safer to return error code. Further, this behaviour makes the operation to lose the property of idempotency. Regards, Marcos Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37As5cY025274 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:54:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i37As5FW025273 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:54:05 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37As3nj025268 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:54:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i37Aseop005571; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2LM216GV>; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:54:01 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFB50@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'Joe Abley'" Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > The spec seemed fairly clear to me that clients shouldn't expect the > server-unique string in the response to be the same as the > server-unique string they suggested, but upon re-reading, it > does seem > reasonable to not make that assumption. > > Scott: what did you intend, here? The id returned in the response is supposed to be the same one that the client requested to be created with the command. Just like domain and host names. -Scott- Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36L7qf2018233 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:07:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36L7qAY018232 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:07:52 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36L7p9L018227 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:07:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BAxnR-000PUj-G5; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:07:49 +0000 In-Reply-To: <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> <6EEEA1CC-87F5-11D8-9823-00039312C852@isc.org> <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <746AF8FD-880E-11D8-86E8-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Provreg From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:07:47 -0400 To: janusz sienkiewicz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk On 6 Apr 2004, at 16:58, janusz sienkiewicz wrote: > Joe Abley wrote: > >> Are there server implementations in the wild which return errors if >> the >> client-supplied contact:id element is empty, or contains a >> non-server-unique string? >> > > I think an EPP standard compliant server implementation should return > error > response if the client-supplied contact:id element is empty. The XML > type > for the element is clIDType and the type has minimum length which is 3. Ah, good point. > Assigning a value by the server in case of non-server-unique string > could be > very confusing for some clients. It is probably safer to return error > code. The spec seemed fairly clear to me that clients shouldn't expect the server-unique string in the response to be the same as the server-unique string they suggested, but upon re-reading, it does seem reasonable to not make that assumption. Scott: what did you intend, here? Janusz: I like your proposal to make optional, too. I wish someone had suggested it before last call :-) Joe Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36KwE9E018159 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:58:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36KwEAi018158 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:58:14 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com ([207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36KwC5G018153 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:58:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dev3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.40] helo=ca.afilias.info) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1BAxe6-0006hI-R1; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: <407319E4.A028F961@ca.afilias.info> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:58:12 -0400 From: janusz sienkiewicz Organization: Afilias Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-3custom i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley CC: IETF Provreg Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> <6EEEA1CC-87F5-11D8-9823-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: janusz@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Joe Abley wrote: > Are there server implementations in the wild which return errors if the > client-supplied contact:id element is empty, or contains a > non-server-unique string? > I think an EPP standard compliant server implementation should return error response if the client-supplied contact:id element is empty. The XML type for the element is clIDType and the type has minimum length which is 3. Assigning a value by the server in case of non-server-unique string could be very confusing for some clients. It is probably safer to return error code. Janusz Sienkiewicz Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36IaKxI016999 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:36:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36IaK1T016998 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:36:20 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [192.149.252.32]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36IaJRf016993 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:36:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 5003) id 7093692B; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arin.net (mta [192.136.136.126]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12E34FA; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (account edlewis HELO [192.136.136.41]) by arin.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 1474726; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:36:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: edlewis@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:36:16 -0400 To: Ted Hardie From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: Fwd: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FWD_MSG,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.43-arin1 X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Thanks, Ted. I'm still in a state of happy and contented shock myself. I'd like to thank those involved for helping achieve what we set out to do. I hope that the effort pushes on to Draft Standard without the formalization of a new WG. At 13:55 -0700 4/5/04, Ted Hardie wrote: >I'd like to offer my congratulations to the group, its editors, and >the chairs for their work. Thanks for all the good work! > regards, > Ted Hardie > > > >>X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to >>owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f >>From: The IESG >>To: IETF-Announce: ; >>Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , >> Edward Lewis >>Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning >>Registry Protocol WG (provreg) >>Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 >>Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se >>X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.92886, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.93542, >>Antispam-Data: 2004.4.5.96344 >> >>The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area >>has concluded. >> >>With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, >>the PROVREG working group has completed all of its >>chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing >>list will remain open for discussion of both extensions >>and the task of moving the documents through the >>standards track. >> >>The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-703-227-9854 ARIN Research Engineer If time travel were ever to be realized, public key crypto is toast. Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36I8ktD016682 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:08:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i36I8kn4016681 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:08:46 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i36I8igW016676 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:08:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BAv05-000P6G-UE; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:08:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EEEA1CC-87F5-11D8-9823-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Provreg From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:08:40 -0400 To: Andre Marais X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk On 5 Apr 2004, at 11:37, Andre Marais wrote: > Hi Joe, > >>> Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on >>> the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? >> >> Which identifier do you mean? > > As per the example from draft-ietf-provreg-epp-contact-06: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were just talking about the base spec. RFC 3733 describes the contact:id element as enclosing the desired server-unique identifier; the corresponding response (on success) contains the actual server-unique identifier used. It has been a while since I looked at the code, but I think in OpenReg we ignore the client-supplied contact:id data and generate our own server-unique data to be returned in the corresponding response field. We don't throw errors if the client-supplied string collides with someone existing contact:id -- we just ignore it. Are there server implementations in the wild which return errors if the client-supplied contact:id element is empty, or contains a non-server-unique string? Joe Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Kta3U005613 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:55:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35KtZNP005612 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:55:35 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com (numenor.qualcomm.com [129.46.51.58]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35KtXX3005607 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:55:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from crowley.qualcomm.com (crowley.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.151]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id i35KtVV2000537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.227.161] (carbuncle.qualcomm.com [129.46.227.161]) by crowley.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id i35KtS3P017550 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hardie@mage.qualcomm.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:55:28 -0700 To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se From: Ted Hardie Subject: Fwd: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I'd like to offer my congratulations to the group, its editors, and the chairs for their work. Thanks for all the good work! regards, Ted Hardie >X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to >owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f >From: The IESG >To: IETF-Announce: ; >Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , > Edward Lewis >Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning >Registry Protocol WG (provreg) >Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 >Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se >X-PMX-Version: 4.5.0.92886, Antispam-Core: 4.0.4.93542, >Antispam-Data: 2004.4.5.96344 > >The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area >has concluded. > >With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, >the PROVREG working group has completed all of its >chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing >list will remain open for discussion of both extensions >and the task of moving the documents through the >standards track. > >The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ke7cO005446 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:40:07 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35Ke7SE005445 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:40:07 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ke5W4005440 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:40:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05066; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404052040.QAA05066@ietf.org> From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , Edward Lewis Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:40:02 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area has concluded. With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, the PROVREG working group has completed all of its chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing list will remain open for discussion of both extensions and the task of moving the documents through the standards track. The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35JrIsV004990 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:53:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35JrIw6004989 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:53:18 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35JrGuG004984 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:53:16 +0200 (MEST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA00935; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404051953.PAA00935@ietf.org> From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, Jaap Akkerhuis , Edward Lewis Subject: [ietf-provreg] WG Action: Conclusion of Provisioning Registry Protocol WG (provreg) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:53:12 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk The Provisioning Registry Protocol (provreg) WG in the Application Area has concluded. With the publication of RFCs 3730, 3731, 3732, 3733, 3734, the PROVREG working group has completed all of its chartered milestones and has concluded. The mailing list will remain open for discussion of both extensions and the task of moving the documents through the standards track. The IESG contact persons are Ted Hardie and Scott Hollenbeck. Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35HIWLU003944 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:18:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35HIWuK003943 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:18:32 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from popintmanex.int.poptel.net (popintmanex.poptel.org.uk [213.55.9.22]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35HIVqH003938 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:18:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: by exchange.poptel.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2KWCM0GK>; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:18:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: Antony Perkov To: Rick Wesson , Andre Marais Cc: IETF Provreg Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:18:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk In case anyone is interested, this is something we enforce as a matter of policy in the .coop registry. It has worked well so far in terms of preventing ID collisions, but is a little strange when people start transferring contacts back and forth, and causes some confusion when people first integrate with our system (i.e. when they get errors because their IDs don't comply with our rules). > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Wesson [mailto:wessorh@ar.com] > Sent: 05 April 2004 17:51 > To: Andre Marais > Cc: IETF Provreg > Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact > > > Pick a namespace for all your contacts, such as > FLAME-?????-CT anything > created with that prefix is yours, the likely hood of others creating > contacts within your space seems unlikely. > > the handlespace is 16 chars wide (it think) and should have plenty > of unused names. > > -rick > > On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Andre Marais wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > When looking at EPP base commands (specifically check) and > the contact > > mapping specification I could not help but notice the following with > > regard to the check command for provisioning contacts > within the system. > > > > If a registry wants to provision a contact within the > system, it first > > needs to poll the systems using contact:check, and only if > the unique > > identifier (which might be arbitrarily chosen) does not > exist, could it > > create the identifier with the relevant required information. > > > > Now even though such a scheme would work (initially), what > would happen > > when you have 10 registrars (or even more) all provisioning within a > > single registry, and using any particular identifier > generation scheme > > (random, range sequential etc) to generate identifiers for > provisioned > > contact records. As the number of contact records increase > (or rather > > the number of unique identifiers) and the number of > registrars increase, > > the probability of unique identifiers clashing increases also. > > > > When these identifier clashes become more frequent, one could expect > > that there would be an increase in contact:check command > storms together > > with a increased latency when processing transactions that requires > > contact provisioning. > > > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier > generation on > > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > > > > If this was discussed before, and a solution was provided, > please direct > > me so that I could steer clear of digging up old bones. > > > > Regards, > > Andre > > > > -- > > Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its > > creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain > > too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. > > - Albert Einstein. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > LEGAL DISCLAIMER: > > The views or representations contained in this message, > whether express > > or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that > sender expressly > > states them to be the view or representations of an entity > or person, > > who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to > > represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other > entity or > > person. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35GprPO003612 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35GprnK003611 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:53 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Gpp2B003602 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.61]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i35GqRop010014; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw3.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:51:46 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFA60@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'Andre Marais'" Cc: "'IETF Provreg'" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:52:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > Agreed. What are the chances of this being accepted as standard? Zero. The RFCs were just published. The only opportunity for change now is if/when the documents are considered for progression to draft standard. That won't be in the near future. Plus, I'm not convinced that this is a real problem. What kind of "check storms" are you expecting when creating contacts? If you can handle the volume of check commands received for domain names, the volume of contact checks is probably quite small in comparison. In addition, this sort of server-created identifier would make the contact create command inconsistent with the domain and host create commands. -Scott- Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Gp1OH003599 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35Gp1xA003598 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:51:01 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.ar.com (customer-reverse-entry.69.59.189.34 [69.59.189.34] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35GoxK8003593 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:50:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: by mail.ar.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EB14914804C; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from king (adsl-68-125-132-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.125.132.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.ar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10614804C; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Wesson To: Andre Marais Cc: IETF Provreg Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact In-Reply-To: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mx1.ar.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=3.0 tests=IN_REP_TO autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Pick a namespace for all your contacts, such as FLAME-?????-CT anything created with that prefix is yours, the likely hood of others creating contacts within your space seems unlikely. the handlespace is 16 chars wide (it think) and should have plenty of unused names. -rick On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Andre Marais wrote: > Hi All, > > When looking at EPP base commands (specifically check) and the contact > mapping specification I could not help but notice the following with > regard to the check command for provisioning contacts within the system. > > If a registry wants to provision a contact within the system, it first > needs to poll the systems using contact:check, and only if the unique > identifier (which might be arbitrarily chosen) does not exist, could it > create the identifier with the relevant required information. > > Now even though such a scheme would work (initially), what would happen > when you have 10 registrars (or even more) all provisioning within a > single registry, and using any particular identifier generation scheme > (random, range sequential etc) to generate identifiers for provisioned > contact records. As the number of contact records increase (or rather > the number of unique identifiers) and the number of registrars increase, > the probability of unique identifiers clashing increases also. > > When these identifier clashes become more frequent, one could expect > that there would be an increase in contact:check command storms together > with a increased latency when processing transactions that requires > contact provisioning. > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > > If this was discussed before, and a solution was provided, please direct > me so that I could steer clear of digging up old bones. > > Regards, > Andre > > -- > Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its > creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain > too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. > - Albert Einstein. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > LEGAL DISCLAIMER: > The views or representations contained in this message, whether express > or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly > states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, > who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to > represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other entity or > person. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35G2N0M003165 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:23 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35G2Ndq003164 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:23 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from magma (tbnb-110-184.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.110.184]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35G2KZl003159 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: by magma (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E70C34F21D; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:02:42 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact From: Andre Marais To: janusz sienkiewicz Cc: IETF Provreg In-Reply-To: <40717507.987734CE@ca.afilias.info> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <40717507.987734CE@ca.afilias.info> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+" Organization: Flame Computing Enterprises Message-Id: <1081180962.15771.101.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:02:42 +0200 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk --=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Janusz, > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > > >=20 > A small adjustment to EPP protocol would help with the potential > inconvenience. Element in contact create request could be > OPTIONAL. The absence of the element in a contact create request would > indicate that the server should generate contact identifier for the new > contact. The format of contact create response would remain unchanged. > Clients that don't pass values for desired unique identifiers could obtai= n > server assigned values from create responses. Agreed. What are the chances of this being accepted as standard? Regards, Andre --=20 Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its=20 creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain=20 too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. - Albert Einstein. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views or representations contained in this message, whether express or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other entity or person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAcYMitoKu6iM68osRAlV4AJ9kONQ/WtWGHSQ+mk9hrsMs1hW1sQCfe4CM 8FrLK3cFCDDnqHZfxrN0x24= =RErR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-WnWF8WtfJQ82FlS/T76+-- Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35FbXEZ002999 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35FbXLb002998 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:33 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from magma (tbnb-110-184.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.110.184]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35FbULL002993 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: by magma (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A599334F21D; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:37:50 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact From: Andre Marais To: Joe Abley Cc: IETF Provreg In-Reply-To: <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS" Organization: Flame Computing Enterprises Message-Id: <1081179470.15771.96.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:37:50 +0200 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk --=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, > > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? >=20 > Which identifier do you mean? As per the example from draft-ietf-provreg-epp-contact-06: C: C: C: C: C: C: sh8013 C: sah8013 C: 8013sah C: C: C: ABC-12345 C: C: The identifier I was referring to was the contact:id element as shown above. This field should be server-unique according to the spec, and as explained could cause problems in high-volume cases. > I think the only identifiers mentioned in the base spec are transaction=20 > identifiers. Collisions between clTRIDs used by different registrars=20 > are legal; svTRIDs are generated by the server in all cases, and hence=20 > making them unique should be straightforward. Agreed, but see above. Regards, Andre --=20 Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its=20 creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain=20 too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. - Albert Einstein. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views or representations contained in this message, whether express or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to represent. No liability shall otherwise attach to any other entity or person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAcX1OtoKu6iM68osRAidEAJ9tvssSCaCkCEeAhGjnmFkXO7UZNgCfSlwV ePoBFLsSGSZW1xxr6InTnn8= =94K2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9UHHjgDtSWn384A9B1xS-- Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35F2XlC002619 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:02:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35F2Xhq002618 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:02:33 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com ([207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35F2WS8002613 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:02:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dev3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.40] helo=ca.afilias.info) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1BAVcM-0001io-P7; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:02:30 -0400 Message-ID: <40717507.987734CE@ca.afilias.info> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:02:31 -0400 From: janusz sienkiewicz Organization: Afilias Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-3custom i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Marais CC: IETF Provreg Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: janusz@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Andre Marais wrote: > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? > A small adjustment to EPP protocol would help with the potential inconvenience. Element in contact create request could be OPTIONAL. The absence of the element in a contact create request would indicate that the server should generate contact identifier for the new contact. The format of contact create response would remain unchanged. Clients that don't pass values for desired unique identifiers could obtain server assigned values from create responses. Janusz Sienkiewicz Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ev2wD002538 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:57:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35Ev2xt002537 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:57:02 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from falcon.verisign.com (falcon.verisign.com [216.168.239.71]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35Ev1XY002532 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:57:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.38]) by falcon.verisign.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i35Evfop005128 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vsvapostalgw1.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:57:00 -0400 Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF030DFA45@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'" Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC 3733 Erratum Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:57:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I found an error in RFC 3733 after it was released. Sorry, I didn't catch the error in this document even though I did catch it in both the core and domain documents. Oh, well. I've sent an erratum notice to the RFC Editor. It's not showing up in their database as of the time I'm writing this, but it will hopefully show up shortly. The error: numbered pages 22 and 23 of RFC 3733 (section 3.2.4) describe an example transfer request response. The result code and result message are incorrect. Instead of: S: S: Command completed successfully they should be: S: S: Command completed successfully; action pending -Scott- Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35EggHh002379 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:42:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i35EggIB002378 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:42:42 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from felix.automagic.org (felix.automagic.org [204.152.186.101]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i35EgeTF002373 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:42:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [199.212.90.29] (helo=[199.212.90.29]) by felix.automagic.org with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BAVJ8-000LY6-4z; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:42:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> References: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <942C8198-870F-11D8-B1BE-00039312C852@isc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Provreg From: Joe Abley Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:43:18 -0400 To: Andre Marais X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk On 5 Apr 2004, at 05:55, Andre Marais wrote: > Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on > the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? Which identifier do you mean? I think the only identifiers mentioned in the base spec are transaction identifiers. Collisions between clTRIDs used by different registrars are legal; svTRIDs are generated by the server in all cases, and hence making them unique should be straightforward. Joe Return-Path: Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i359sqT8000447 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:54:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i359sqfo000446 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:54:52 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from magma (tbnb-110-184.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.110.184]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i359snrh000441 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:54:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: by magma (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B3D8C32A4F3; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:55:01 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [ietf-provreg] Unique identifiers for Contact From: Andre Marais To: IETF Provreg Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-khNrS9mt+AIUOvWjtsv1" Organization: Flame Computing Enterprises Message-Id: <1081158900.15771.45.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:55:00 +0200 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk --=-khNrS9mt+AIUOvWjtsv1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, When looking at EPP base commands (specifically check) and the contact mapping specification I could not help but notice the following with regard to the check command for provisioning contacts within the system. If a registry wants to provision a contact within the system, it first needs to poll the systems using contact:check, and only if the unique identifier (which might be arbitrarily chosen) does not exist, could it create the identifier with the relevant required information. Now even though such a scheme would work (initially), what would happen when you have 10 registrars (or even more) all provisioning within a single registry, and using any particular identifier generation scheme (random, range sequential etc) to generate identifiers for provisioned contact records. As the number of contact records increase (or rather the number of unique identifiers) and the number of registrars increase, the probability of unique identifiers clashing increases also. When these identifier clashes become more frequent, one could expect that there would be an increase in contact:check command storms together with a increased latency when processing transactions that requires contact provisioning. Shouldn't there be a command that allows for identifier generation on the server side which would eliminate this type of problem? If this was discussed before, and a solution was provided, please direct me so that I could steer clear of digging up old bones. Regards, Andre --=20 Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its=20 creative pursuits. Any man who read too much and uses his own brain=20 too little falls into lazy habits of thinking. - Albert Einstein. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views or representations contained in this message, whether express or implied, are those of the sender only, unless that sender expressly states them to be the view or representations of an entity or person, who shall be named by the sender and the sender shall state to represent. 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