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PWE3ers,

The PWE3 agenda has been updated at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/85/agenda/pwe3/ .

To all presenters: WE NEED YOUR SLIDES!!!! Be sure to send them to
david.sinicrope@ericsson.com by 5pm EST Atlanta time on Sunday November 4,
2012, or risk losing your speaking slot.

Thanks,
Andy

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PWE3ers,<br><br>The PWE3 agenda has been updated at <a href=3D"https://data=
tracker.ietf.org/meeting/85/agenda/pwe3/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meet=
ing/85/agenda/pwe3/</a> .<br><br>To all presenters: WE NEED YOUR SLIDES!!!!=
 Be sure to send them to <span class=3D""><span class=3D""><a href=3D"mailt=
o:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com">david.sinicrope@ericsson.com</a> by </span>=
</span>5pm EST Atlanta time on Sunday November 4, 2012, or risk losing your=
 speaking slot.<br>

<br>Thanks,<br>Andy<br><br>

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Samer, thanks for the offer!

The chairs would like to hear more opinions from the WG on the two options
offered by Samer.

Thanks,
Andy and Matthew


On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Samer Salam (ssalam) <ssalam@cisco.com>wr=
ote:

>  Hi,
>
>  To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure
> were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the IPR and
> one with. The current draft only captures the latter because it offers
> better reversion time characteristics (note that failover protection time
> is comparable for both, it is primarily the reversion time upon recovery
> that is different). With the approval of the other co-authors, we would b=
e
> happy to:
>
>  1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
> 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted
>
>  Regards,
> Samer
>
>   From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
> To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <
> andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org=
>
>
> Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com>
> Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com>, <sajassi@cisco.com>, <
> satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp>, <ssalam@cisco.com>
> Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
>
>    Adrian, ****
>
> ** **
>
> I support removal of the procedure.****
>
> ** **
>
> Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an implementation
> to be compliant with an RFC.****
>
> ** **
>
> Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it is
> part of the IETF's definition****
>
> of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that option th=
e
> IPR becomes essential.****
>
> This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a described
> procedure.****
>
> ** **
>
> I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure as
> well, ****
>
> as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted) being
> ruled unenforceable.****
>
> ** **
>
> Y(J)S****
>
>  ****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<pwe3-bounces@=
ietf.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Adrian Farrel
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
> *To:* 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org
> *Cc:* 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
> *Subject:* Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi,****
>
> ** **
>
> Samer said:****
>
> ** **
>
> > the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an optional
> procedure for a specific error scenario.****
>
> ** **
>
> That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another way of
> handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to remove the
> optional procedure.****
>
> ** **
>
> What do people think?****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Adrian****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<pwe3-bounces@=
ietf.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Samer Salam (ssalam)
> *Sent:* 25 October 2012 17:50
> *To:* Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org
> *Cc:* Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
> *Subject:* Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Andy,****
>
> ** **
>
> First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an oversight
> on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, we wish to assur=
e
> the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution of the
> document, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft in a
> later version ( draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of
> the initial draft, and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing
> the IPR disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we wer=
e
> updating version =9609 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in that
> same timeframe.****
>
> ** **
>
> That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not mandatory in
> the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific error scenario.
> Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed b=
y
> Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,****
>
> Samer****
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *"Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
> *To: *"pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org=
>
> *Cc: *"Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> *Subject: *[PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09****
>
> ** **
>
>  To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:
>
> PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This lead=
s
> to two important questions:
>
> 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original
> draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost
> simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version of the
> draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR wasn't
> disclosed until now, more than four years after the initial filing and
> almost three years from the public publication of the filing.  The chairs
> would like the authors to respond to the lateness of the filing, given th=
e
> many announcements of the IETF's IPR policy, notably in the draft
> boilerplate and in the Note Well, and elsewhere as well.
>
> 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an
> opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the
> disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy and Matthew****
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *IETF Secretariat* <ietf-ipr@ietf.org>
> Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
> Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> To: sajassi@cisco.com, lmartini@cisco.com, ssalam@cisco.com,
> satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp
> Cc: pwe3@ietf.org, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org,
> stbryant@cisco.com
>
> Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:
>
>  An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled
> "Inter-Chassis
> Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp) wa=
s
> submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on th=
e
> "IETF
> Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR disclosure
> is
> "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
> _______________________________________________
> pwe3 mailing list
> pwe3@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3****
>
> ** **
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pwe3 mailing list
> pwe3@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3
>
>

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Samer, thanks for the offer!<br><br>The chairs would like to hear more opin=
ions from the WG on the two options offered by Samer.<br><br>Thanks,<br>And=
y and Matthew<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Samer Salam (ssalam) <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ssalam@cisco.com</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div style=3D"font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;word-wrap:break=
-word">
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure w=
ere identified in the course of the discussions, one without the IPR and on=
e with. The current draft only captures the latter because it offers better=
 reversion time characteristics
 (note that failover protection time is comparable for both, it is primaril=
y the reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approval of=
 the other co-authors, we would be happy to:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR</div>
<div>2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Samer</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div style=3D"border-right:medium none;padding-right:0in;padding-left:0in;p=
adding-top:3pt;text-align:left;font-size:11pt;border-bottom:medium none;fon=
t-family:Calibri;border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid;padding-bottom:0in;border-lef=
t:medium none">


<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:yaakov_s@rad.com" target=3D"_blank">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1=
:06 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@=
olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&g=
t;, &quot;&#39;Andrew G. Malis&#39;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.ma=
lis@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org=
</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pw=
e3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<div class=3D"im">

<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant=
@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
</div><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: [PWE3] Regarding=
 Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
yaakov_s@rad.com" target=3D"_blank">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lm=
artini@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">lmartini@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp" target=3D"_blank=
">satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a>&gt;,
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ssalam@cisco.com=
</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-Date: </span>Wednesday, October 31,=
 2012 1:06 AM<br>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><br>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Adrian,
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I support removal of the procedure.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Timely disclosure is required if IPR is &quo=
t;essential&quot; for an implementation to be compliant with an RFC.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Even if the procedure is optional, if it is =
written up in the RFC it is part of the IETF&#39;s definition<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">of the behavior, and thus when parties choos=
e to implement that option the IPR becomes essential.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This is not the case of IPR being one way of=
 implementing a described procedure.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I think that the IPR holders should support =
removal of the procedure as well,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">as their lack of disclosure could lead to a =
patent (if granted) being ruled unenforceable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Y(J)S<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,=
sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahom=
a,sans-serif">
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3-bounces@iet=
f.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailt=
o:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Farrel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00<br>
<b>To:</b> &#39;Samer Salam (ssalam)&#39;; &#39;Andrew G. Malis&#39;; <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
pwe3@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> &#39;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&#39;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related t=
o draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">Samer said:<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">&gt; the use of the IPR is no=
t mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific error =
scenario.<u></u><u></u></span></p>


<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">That makes me wonder whether =
the WG would like to consider another way of handling this specific error s=
cenario, or even simply to remove
 the optional procedure.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">What do people think?<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">Adrian<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,=
sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahom=
a,sans-serif">
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3-bounces@iet=
f.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailt=
o:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 October 2012 17:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew G. Malis; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">pwe3@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.or=
g" target=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related t=
o draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi Andy,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">First and foremost we apologize for the late fil=
ing, it was an oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tard=
iness, we wish to
 assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution o=
f the document, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft i=
n a later version (=A0draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as par=
t of the initial draft, and this is
 our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR disclosure earlier, and =
it only came to our attention when we were updating version =9609 of the dr=
aft, since the patent was allowed in that same timeframe.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>


</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">That said, we wish to clarify that the use of th=
e IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a spec=
ific error scenario.
 Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed by=
 Cisco under &#39;reasonable non-discriminatory terms&#39;.=A0<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">Samer<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">&quot;Andrew G. Malis&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.mal=
is@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe=
3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf=
.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dra=
ft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>


<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #b5c4df 4.5pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">To the PWE3 WG an=
d the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:<br>
<br>
PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.=A0 This lead=
s to two important questions:<br>
<br>
1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original draft-ma=
rtini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost simultaneously=
 with the publication of the original -00 version of the draft. This leads =
to the difficult question of why
 this IPR wasn&#39;t disclosed until now, more than four years after the in=
itial filing and almost three years from the public publication of the fili=
ng.=A0 The chairs would like the authors to respond to the lateness of the =
filing, given the many announcements of
 the IETF&#39;s IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Not=
e Well, and elsewhere as well.<br>
<br>
2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an opi=
nion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the disclo=
sure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Andy and Matthew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b>IETF Secretariat</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">ietf-ipr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM<br>
Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related to dra=
ft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">sajassi@cisco.co=
m</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">
lmartini@cisco.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">ssalam@cisco.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co=
.jp" target=3D"_blank">
satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>, <=
a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">
andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:ipr-announce@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ipr-announce@ietf.org</a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco.com<=
/a><br>
<br>
Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:<br>
<br>
=A0An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled &quot;In=
ter-Chassis<br>
Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy&quot; (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp)=
 was<br>
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on the =
&quot;IETF<br>
Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures&quot;<br>
(<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/" target=3D"_blank">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/</a>). The title of the IPR disclosure is<=
br>
&quot;Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09.&quot=
;&quot;);<br>
<br>
The IETF Secretariat<br>
<br>
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tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
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</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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Hi All,
The slides I received have been posted. Thank-you to those who got them to =
me early. If you have a presentation slot and have not yet sent me slides, =
please send them by reply to this email by 5pm EST Atlanta time Sunday Nove=
mber 4, 2012, (I.e., today).
Thanks,
Dave


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Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:16 PM
To: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrope@=
ericsson.com>>, "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [PWE3] PWE3 IETF 85 Slot Requests - Atlanta

Hi All,
The slot requests I have received to date are posted in the draft agenda at=
:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/agenda/agenda-85-pwe3

Running order is subject to change at the Chairs' discretion.
The topics listed for potential discussion are taken from list activity.

If you asked for a slot and I missed you, my apologies. Please resend your =
request using the form below.
If you need one and have not yet sent a request, please sent your requests =
immediately using the form below.
If you have a slot please send your slides to me for upload no later than *=
* 5pm EST Atlanta time on Sunday November 4, 2012. **
Missing the slide deadline may jeopardize your presentation slot.

Let me know if you have questions or concerns regarding the IETF 85 PWE3 ag=
enda.

Thanks,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: David A Sinicrope   <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicr=
ope@ericsson.com>>
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:01 AM
To: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>
Subject: [PWE3] PWE3 IETF 85 Slot Requests - Atlanta

Hi All,
It's that time again.  The agenda for Atlanta is still being worked out.

If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 85 PWE3 session, please reply =
to this email (subject intact) completing the form below:

- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):
- draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth=
-oam-iwk/):
- brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re=
solved via the presentation (e.g., need to address security issues and get =
direction from the WG):
- requested duration (norm is 10 min):
- speaker name (e.g., Given-name FAMILY-NAME):

Thanks,
Dave
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Hi All,
I may be having email server problems.  If your slides aren't posted, pleas=
e resend them and CC: David.Sinicrope@gmail.com<mailto:David.Sinicrope@gmai=
l.com>

Thanks,
Dave


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:18 AM, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.c=
om<mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
The slides I received have been posted. Thank-you to those who got them to =
me early. If you have a presentation slot and have not yet sent me slides, =
please send them by reply to this email by 5pm EST Atlanta time Sunday Nove=
mber 4, 2012, (I.e., today).
Thanks,
Dave


From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrop=
e@ericsson.com><mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrope@=
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Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:16 PM
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@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>>
Subject: Re: [PWE3] PWE3 IETF 85 Slot Requests - Atlanta

Hi All,
The slot requests I have received to date are posted in the draft agenda at=
:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/agenda/agenda-85-pwe3

Running order is subject to change at the Chairs' discretion.
The topics listed for potential discussion are taken from list activity.

If you asked for a slot and I missed you, my apologies. Please resend your =
request using the form below.
If you need one and have not yet sent a request, please sent your requests =
immediately using the form below.
If you have a slot please send your slides to me for upload no later than *=
* 5pm EST Atlanta time on Sunday November 4, 2012. **
Missing the slide deadline may jeopardize your presentation slot.

Let me know if you have questions or concerns regarding the IETF 85 PWE3 ag=
enda.

Thanks,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: David A Sinicrope   <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicr=
ope@ericsson.com><mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrop=
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Date: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:01 AM
To: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3@ietf.org<m=
ailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>>
Subject: [PWE3] PWE3 IETF 85 Slot Requests - Atlanta

Hi All,
It's that time again.  The agenda for Atlanta is still being worked out.

If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 85 PWE3 session, please reply =
to this email (subject intact) completing the form below:

- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):
- draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth=
-oam-iwk/):
- brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re=
solved via the presentation (e.g., need to address security issues and get =
direction from the WG):
- requested duration (norm is 10 min):
- speaker name (e.g., Given-name FAMILY-NAME):

Thanks,
Dave
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Hi All,
I have all the slides accounted for and uploaded. Thanks for your patience.
Please find the final agenda and slides at agenda-85<http://tools.ietf.org/=
wg/pwe3/agenda?item=3Dagenda-85-pwe3.html>
Let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
Thanks,
Dave

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrop=
e@ericsson.com>>
Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:47 PM
To: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>
Subject: Fwd: [PWE3] PWE3 IETF 85 Slot Requests - Atlanta

Hi All,
I may be having email server problems.  If your slides aren't posted, pleas=
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l.com>

Thanks,
Dave


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:18 AM, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.c=
om<mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
The slides I received have been posted. Thank-you to those who got them to =
me early. If you have a presentation slot and have not yet sent me slides, =
please send them by reply to this email by 5pm EST Atlanta time Sunday Nove=
mber 4, 2012, (I.e., today).
Thanks,
Dave


From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrop=
e@ericsson.com><mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrope@=
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@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>>
Subject: Re: [PWE3] PWE3 IETF 85 Slot Requests - Atlanta

Hi All,
The slot requests I have received to date are posted in the draft agenda at=
:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/agenda/agenda-85-pwe3

Running order is subject to change at the Chairs' discretion.
The topics listed for potential discussion are taken from list activity.

If you asked for a slot and I missed you, my apologies. Please resend your =
request using the form below.
If you need one and have not yet sent a request, please sent your requests =
immediately using the form below.
If you have a slot please send your slides to me for upload no later than *=
* 5pm EST Atlanta time on Sunday November 4, 2012. **
Missing the slide deadline may jeopardize your presentation slot.

Let me know if you have questions or concerns regarding the IETF 85 PWE3 ag=
enda.

Thanks,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
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ope@ericsson.com><mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrop=
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Subject: [PWE3] PWE3 IETF 85 Slot Requests - Atlanta

Hi All,
It's that time again.  The agenda for Atlanta is still being worked out.

If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 85 PWE3 session, please reply =
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- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):
- draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth=
-oam-iwk/):
- brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re=
solved via the presentation (e.g., need to address security issues and get =
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- speaker name (e.g., Given-name FAMILY-NAME):

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Dave
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Samer

I read the patent application, and disagree with your interpretation of its=
 scope.

The first and second independent claims are very general,
and claim any mechanism that has a multihomed device speaking with 2 PEs
which exchange messages over an ICCP channel.
This is basically the entire draft.

There is no specification that the PEs are co-located or not, whether the c=
hannel is shared or not, etc.

Y(J)S

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sam=
er Salam (ssalam)
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 17:43
To: Yaakov Stein; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org; dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org
Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi,

To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure were i=
dentified in the course of the discussions, one without the IPR and one wit=
h. The current draft only captures the latter because it offers better reve=
rsion time characteristics (note that failover protection time is comparabl=
e for both, it is primarily the reversion time upon recovery that is differ=
ent). With the approval of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:

1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted

Regards,
Samer

From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<=
mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.c=
om<mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org=
>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.=
org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tool=
s.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09
Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>>, <sajassi@cisco.=
com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, <satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto=
:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp>>, <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cis=
co.com>>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM

Adrian,

I support removal of the procedure.

Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an implementation t=
o be compliant with an RFC.

Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it is par=
t of the IETF's definition
of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that option the =
IPR becomes essential.
This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a described proce=
dure.

I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure as wel=
l,
as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted) being ruled=
 unenforceable.

Y(J)S


From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-boun=
ces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ie=
tf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@to=
ols.ietf.org>
Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi,

Samer said:

> the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an optional proce=
dure for a specific error scenario.

That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another way of h=
andling this specific error scenario, or even simply to remove the optional=
 procedure.

What do people think?

Thanks,
Adrian

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-boun=
ces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50
To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-i=
ccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi Andy,

First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an oversight on=
 our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, we wish to assure th=
e WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution of the docu=
ment, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft in a later =
version ( draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the ini=
tial draft, and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR d=
isclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were updating =
version -09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in that same timefra=
me.

That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not mandatory in t=
he draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific error scenario. Furthe=
rmore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed by Cisco =
under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'.

Regards,
Samer

From: "Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.malis@v=
erizon.com>>
Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.o=
rg>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tool=
s.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-ic=
cp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pw=
e3-iccp-09

To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:

PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This leads =
to two important questions:

1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original draft-ma=
rtini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost simultaneously=
 with the publication of the original -00 version of the draft. This leads =
to the difficult question of why this IPR wasn't disclosed until now, more =
than four years after the initial filing and almost three years from the pu=
blic publication of the filing.  The chairs would like the authors to respo=
nd to the lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF'=
s IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well, and el=
sewhere as well.

2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an opi=
nion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the disclo=
sure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.

Thanks,
Andy and Matthew
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-ipr@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org>>
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-i=
etf-pwe3-iccp-09
To: sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>, lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:=
lmartini@cisco.com>, ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>, satoru.mats=
ushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp>
Cc: pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:=
andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:ipr-announce@ietf=
.org>, stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>

Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:

 An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Inter-Cha=
ssis
Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp) was
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on the =
"IETF
Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR disclosure i=
s
"Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");

The IETF Secretariat

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Samer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">I read the patent application, and disagree with your interp=
retation of its scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">The first and second independent claims are very general,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">and claim any mechanism that has a multihomed device speakin=
g with 2 PEs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">which exchange messages over an ICCP channel.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">This is basically the entire draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">There is no specification that the PEs are co-located or not=
, whether the channel is shared or not, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Y(J)S<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> pwe3-bou=
nces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2012 17:43<br>
<b>To:</b> Yaakov Stein; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.=
org; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described pro=
cedure were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the IP=
R and one with. The
 current draft only captures the latter because it offers better reversion =
time characteristics (note that failover protection time is comparable for =
both, it is primarily the reversion time upon recovery that is different). =
With the approval of the other co-authors,
 we would be happy to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Samer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@=
rad.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk=
</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</=
a>&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@=
verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pw=
e3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=
=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.or=
g">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@rad.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">lmartini@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>=
&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">satoru.mat=
sushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">=
ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm" id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUO=
TE">
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Adrian,
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">I support removal of the procedure.</span><span style=3D"col=
or:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Timely disclosure is required if IPR is &quot;essential&quot=
; for an implementation to be compliant with an RFC.</span><span style=3D"c=
olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in th=
e RFC it is part of the IETF's definition</span><span style=3D"color:black"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement t=
hat option the IPR becomes essential.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a =
described procedure.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the p=
rocedure as well,
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if grant=
ed) being ruled unenforceable.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Y(J)S</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a href=
=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Farrel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe=
3@ietf.org">
pwe3@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">d=
raft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Samer said:</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&gt; the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is=
 an optional procedure for a specific error scenario.</span><span style=3D"=
color:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider a=
nother way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to remo=
ve the
 optional procedure.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">What do people think?</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Adrian</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a href=
=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 October 2012 17:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew G. Malis; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org<=
/a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Hi Andy,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an=
 oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, we wish=
 to assure
 the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution of the d=
ocument, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft in a lat=
er version (&nbsp;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of=
 the initial draft, and this is our best
 guess as to why we missed filing the IPR disclosure earlier, and it only c=
ame to our attention when we were updating version &#8211;09 of the draft, =
since the patent was allowed in that same timeframe.</span><span style=3D"c=
olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not m=
andatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific error sce=
nario.
 Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed by=
 Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'.&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Regards,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Samer</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&quot;Andrew G. Malis&qu=
ot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizo=
n.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D=
"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.iet=
f.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">=
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-=
ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt" i=
d=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:black">To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:<=
br>
<br>
PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.&nbsp; This l=
eads to two important questions:<br>
<br>
1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original draft-ma=
rtini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost simultaneously=
 with the publication of the original -00 version of the draft. This leads =
to the difficult question of why
 this IPR wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initia=
l filing and almost three years from the public publication of the filing.&=
nbsp; The chairs would like the authors to respond to the lateness of the f=
iling, given the many announcements of
 the IETF's IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note We=
ll, and elsewhere as well.<br>
<br>
2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an opi=
nion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the disclo=
sure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Andy and Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b>IETF Secretariat</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org">ietf=
-ipr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM<br>
Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-i=
etf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>, <a href=3D"=
mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">
lmartini@cisco.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">ssalam@cisco.co=
m</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">
satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:a=
ndrew.g.malis@verizon.com">
andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:ipr-announce@ietf.org">ip=
r-announce@ietf.org</a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a><br>
<br>
Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled &quot=
;Inter-Chassis<br>
Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy&quot; (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp)=
 was<br>
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on the =
&quot;IETF<br>
Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures&quot;<br>
(<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/" target=3D"_blank">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/</a>). The title of the IPR disclosure is<=
br>
&quot;Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09.&quot;&qu=
ot;);<br>
<br>
The IETF Secretariat<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
pwe3 mailing list<br>
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tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3</a></span><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
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Dear all,



Thanks for the comments and questions during the PWE3 session. The authors'=
 opinion is the mechanism does not require changes to the T-PE and the sign=
aling mechanism.



Due to time limits, the authors would like to have more discussions of this=
 PW redundancy on S-PE mechanism in the list, and would like to ask for WG =
adoption.



Best regards,

Jie



________________________________
From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Jie Dong [=
jie.dong@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:54
To: pwe3@ietf.org
Subject: [PWE3] FW: New Version Notification for draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy=
-spe-03


Dear all,



A new version of draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe has been submitted. In this=
 version the operations of S-PEs which provide PW redundancy is detailed.



As always, comments are welcome.



Best regards,

Jie



> -----Original Message-----

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> Subject: I-D Action: draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe-03.txt

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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct=
ories.

>

>

>      Title           : Pseudowire Redundancy on S-PE

>      Author(s)       : Jie Dong

>                   Haibo Wang

>      Filename        : draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe-03.txt

>      Pages          : 8

>      Date           : 2012-10-21

>

> Abstract:

>    This document describes Multi-Segment Pseudowire (MS-PW) protection

>    scenarios in which the pseudowire redundancy is provided on the

>    Switching-PE (S-PE).  Operations of the S-PEs which provide PW

>    redundancy are specified.  Signaling of the preferential forwarding

>    status as defined in [I-D.ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit] is reused.

>

>

>

> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:

> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe

>

> There's also a htmlized version available at:

> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe-03

>

> A diff from the previous version is available at:

> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe-03

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> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:

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<p>Thanks for the comments and questions during the&nbsp;PWE3<a></a><a></a>=
 session. The authors' opinion is the mechanism does not require changes to=
 the T-PE and the signaling mechanism.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Due to time limits, the authors would like to have more discussions of t=
his PW redundancy on S-PE mechanism in the list, and would like to ask for&=
nbsp;WG<a></a><a></a> adoption.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p><a>Jie</a><a></a><a></a></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:54<br>
<b>To:</b> pwe3@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PWE3] FW: New Version Notification for draft-dong-pwe3-red=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear all, </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">A new version of draft-dong-=
pwe3-redundancy-spe has been submitted. In this version the operations of S=
-PEs which provide PW redundancy is detailed.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">As always, comments are welc=
ome.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jie</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Pseud=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; </span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This =
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;scena=
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Hi Yaakov,

The first claim restricts the scope of the IPR to the scenario where the tw=
o conditions are met:


  1.  PE is isolated from the core and
  2.  PE sends a message to the dual-homed CE to inform the latter of this =
condition

I've highlighted the relevant conditions in this snippet of the IPR:

"A method comprising: forwarding traffic received on a first downlink conne=
ction with a dual-homed device to an uplink connection with a network core;=
 detecting a failure on the uplink connection with the network core; and in=
 response to detecting the failure, notifying a standby device of the failu=
re and sending a message to the dual-homed device to trigger the dual-homed=
 device to begin forwarding traffic to the network core via a second downli=
nk connection between the standby device and the dual-homed device.


As you know, the ICCP draft covers both PW redundancy as well as AC redunda=
ncy for Ethernet Link Aggregation Group. Furthermore, for each redundancy m=
echanism it covers the following three types of failures:

-Attachment Circuit Failures
- PE Node Failure
- PE Isolation from the core

The IPR concerns only the PE isolation failure for the multi-chassis LAG (m=
LACP), and in particular only covers the text in the first paragraph of sec=
tion 9.2.2.4 of the draft. This is the text that we proposed to change per =
the two suggestions below. The rest of the draft is not impacted by the IPR=
.

Regards,
Samer


From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Date: Monday, November 5, 2012 2:34 PM
To: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>, "ad=
rian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:=
adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mail=
to:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe=
3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mai=
lto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.=
org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Samer

I read the patent application, and disagree with your interpretation of its=
 scope.

The first and second independent claims are very general,
and claim any mechanism that has a multihomed device speaking with 2 PEs
which exchange messages over an ICCP channel.
This is basically the entire draft.

There is no specification that the PEs are co-located or not, whether the c=
hannel is shared or not, etc.

Y(J)S

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-boun=
ces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 17:43
To: Yaakov Stein; adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>; 'Andrew =
G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi,

To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure were i=
dentified in the course of the discussions, one without the IPR and one wit=
h. The current draft only captures the latter because it offers better reve=
rsion time characteristics (note that failover protection time is comparabl=
e for both, it is primarily the reversion time upon recovery that is differ=
ent). With the approval of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:

1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted

Regards,
Samer

From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<=
mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.c=
om<mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org=
>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.=
org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tool=
s.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09
Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>>, <sajassi@cisco.=
com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, <satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto=
:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp>>, <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cis=
co.com>>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM

Adrian,

I support removal of the procedure.

Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an implementation t=
o be compliant with an RFC.

Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it is par=
t of the IETF's definition
of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that option the =
IPR becomes essential.
This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a described proce=
dure.

I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure as wel=
l,
as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted) being ruled=
 unenforceable.

Y(J)S


From:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-bounc=
es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ie=
tf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@to=
ols.ietf.org>
Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi,

Samer said:

> the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an optional proce=
dure for a specific error scenario.

That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another way of h=
andling this specific error scenario, or even simply to remove the optional=
 procedure.

What do people think?

Thanks,
Adrian

From:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-bounc=
es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50
To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-i=
ccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi Andy,

First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an oversight on=
 our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, we wish to assure th=
e WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution of the docu=
ment, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft in a later =
version ( draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the ini=
tial draft, and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR d=
isclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were updating =
version =9609 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in that same timef=
rame.

That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not mandatory in t=
he draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific error scenario. Furthe=
rmore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed by Cisco =
under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'.

Regards,
Samer

From: "Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.malis@v=
erizon.com>>
Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.o=
rg>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tool=
s.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-ic=
cp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pw=
e3-iccp-09

To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:

PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This leads =
to two important questions:

1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original draft-ma=
rtini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost simultaneously=
 with the publication of the original -00 version of the draft. This leads =
to the difficult question of why this IPR wasn't disclosed until now, more =
than four years after the initial filing and almost three years from the pu=
blic publication of the filing.  The chairs would like the authors to respo=
nd to the lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF'=
s IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well, and el=
sewhere as well.

2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an opi=
nion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the disclo=
sure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.

Thanks,
Andy and Matthew
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-ipr@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org>>
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-i=
etf-pwe3-iccp-09
To: sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>, lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:=
lmartini@cisco.com>, ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>, satoru.mats=
ushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp>
Cc: pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:=
andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:ipr-announce@ietf=
.org>, stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>

Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:

 An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Inter-Cha=
ssis
Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp) was
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on the =
"IETF
Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR disclosure i=
s
"Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");

The IETF Secretariat

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<div>Hi Yaakov,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The first claim restricts the scope of the IPR to the scenario where t=
he two conditions are met:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<ol>
<li>PE is isolated from the core and</li><li>PE sends a message to the dual=
-homed CE to inform the latter of this condition&nbsp;</li></ol>
<div>I've highlighted the relevant conditions in this snippet of the IPR:</=
div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&quot;A method comprising: forwarding traffic received on a first down=
link connection with a dual-homed device to an uplink connection with a net=
work core;
<b>detecting a failure on the uplink connection with the network core</b>; =
and in response to detecting the failure, notifying a standby device of the=
 failure
<b>and sending a message to the dual-homed device</b> to trigger the dual-h=
omed device to begin forwarding traffic to the network core via a second do=
wnlink connection between the standby device and the dual-homed device.&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As you know, the ICCP draft covers both PW redundancy as well as AC re=
dundancy for Ethernet Link Aggregation Group. Furthermore, for each redunda=
ncy mechanism it covers the following three types of failures:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Attachment Circuit Failures</div>
<div>- PE Node Failure</div>
<div>- PE Isolation from the core</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The IPR concerns only the PE isolation failure for the multi-chassis L=
AG (mLACP), and in particular only covers the text in the first paragraph o=
f section 9.2.2.4 of the draft. This is the text that we proposed to change=
 per the two suggestions below.
 The rest of the draft is not impacted by the IPR.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Samer</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, November 5, 2012 2:34=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot=
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f.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;,=
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pw=
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 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3=
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<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I read the patent application, and=
 disagree with your interpretation of its scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The first and second independent c=
laims are very general,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">and claim any mechanism that has a=
 multihomed device speaking with 2 PEs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">which exchange messages over an IC=
CP channel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">There is no specification that the=
 PEs are co-located or not, whether the channel is shared or not, etc.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Y(J)S<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Taho=
ma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fami=
ly: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a href=
=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>]<b>On Be=
half Of
</b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2012 17:43<br>
<b>To:</b> Yaakov Stein; <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@oldd=
og.co.uk</a>; 'Andrew G. Malis';
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft=
-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">To further clarify: two ways of implementin=
g the described procedure were identified in the course of the discussions,=
 one without the IPR and one with. The
 current draft only captures the latter because it offers better reversion =
time characteristics (note that failover protection time is comparable for =
both, it is primarily the reversion time upon recovery that is different). =
With the approval of the other co-authors,
 we would be happy to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">1- Either Capture only the option without t=
he IPR, OR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2- Capture both options with the above trad=
eoff highlighted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Samer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; font-family: Calib=
ri, sans-serif; ">Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaak=
ov_s@rad.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk=
</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</=
a>&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@=
verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pw=
e3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=
=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.or=
g">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@rad.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">lmartini@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>=
&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">satoru.mat=
sushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">=
ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; color: black; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm" id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUO=
TE">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Adrian,
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I support removal of the procedure=
.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Timely disclosure is required if I=
PR is &quot;essential&quot; for an implementation to be compliant with an R=
FC.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Even if the procedure is optional,=
 if it is written up in the RFC it is part of the IETF's definition</span><=
span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">of the behavior, and thus when par=
ties choose to implement that option the IPR becomes essential.</span><span=
 style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">This is not the case of IPR being =
one way of implementing a described procedure.</span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I think that the IPR holders shoul=
d support removal of the procedure as well,
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">as their lack of disclosure could =
lead to a patent (if granted) being ruled unenforceable.</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Y(J)S</span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:=
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
0pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href=3D"mailto:pwe=
3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>
 [<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>=
] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Adrian Farrel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe=
3@ietf.org">
pwe3@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">d=
raft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi,</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Samer said:</span><=
span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&gt; the use of the=
 IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a speci=
fic error scenario.</span><span style=3D"color:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">That makes me wonde=
r whether the WG would like to consider another way of handling this specif=
ic error scenario, or even simply to remove
 the optional procedure.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">What do people thin=
k?</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks,</span><span=
 style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Adrian</span><span =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
0pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href=3D"mailto:pwe=
3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>
 [<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>=
] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 October 2012 17:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew G. Malis; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org<=
/a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi Andy,</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">First and foremost we apolog=
ize for the late filing, it was an oversight on our part. While there is no=
 excuse for the tardiness, we wish to
 assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution o=
f the document, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft i=
n a later version (&nbsp;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as =
part of the initial draft, and this is
 our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR disclosure earlier, and =
it only came to our attention when we were updating version =9609 of the dr=
aft, since the patent was allowed in that same timeframe.</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">That said, we wish to clarif=
y that the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an optional =
procedure for a specific error scenario.
 Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed by=
 Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'.&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Regards,</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Samer</span><span style=3D"c=
olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; col=
or: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black; fon=
t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&quot;Andrew G. Malis&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D=
"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.iet=
f.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">=
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-=
ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
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eads to two important questions:<br>
<br>
1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original draft-ma=
rtini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost simultaneously=
 with the publication of the original -00 version of the draft. This leads =
to the difficult question of why
 this IPR wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initia=
l filing and almost three years from the public publication of the filing.&=
nbsp; The chairs would like the authors to respond to the lateness of the f=
iling, given the many announcements of
 the IETF's IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note We=
ll, and elsewhere as well.<br>
<br>
2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an opi=
nion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the disclo=
sure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.<br>
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Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-i=
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To: <a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>, <a href=3D"=
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Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled &quot=
;Inter-Chassis<br>
Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy&quot; (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp)=
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submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on the =
&quot;IETF<br>
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(<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/" target=3D"_blank">https=
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Samer

I agree that the application only covers uplink failures from PEs towards t=
he network core.
Thus it is not relevant to other failure locations.

Almost any method that desires to protect against such failures needs to de=
tect that uplink failure
(except 1+1 or triangle routing).

Likewise, almost any multichassis method requires telling the multihomed de=
vice to send to the other PE.

Y(J)S


From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sam=
er Salam (ssalam)
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 00:09
To: Yaakov Stein; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org; dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org
Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi Yaakov,

The first claim restricts the scope of the IPR to the scenario where the tw=
o conditions are met:


  1.  PE is isolated from the core and
  2.  PE sends a message to the dual-homed CE to inform the latter of this =
condition
I've highlighted the relevant conditions in this snippet of the IPR:

"A method comprising: forwarding traffic received on a first downlink conne=
ction with a dual-homed device to an uplink connection with a network core;=
 detecting a failure on the uplink connection with the network core; and in=
 response to detecting the failure, notifying a standby device of the failu=
re and sending a message to the dual-homed device to trigger the dual-homed=
 device to begin forwarding traffic to the network core via a second downli=
nk connection between the standby device and the dual-homed device.


As you know, the ICCP draft covers both PW redundancy as well as AC redunda=
ncy for Ethernet Link Aggregation Group. Furthermore, for each redundancy m=
echanism it covers the following three types of failures:

-Attachment Circuit Failures
- PE Node Failure
- PE Isolation from the core

The IPR concerns only the PE isolation failure for the multi-chassis LAG (m=
LACP), and in particular only covers the text in the first paragraph of sec=
tion 9.2.2.4 of the draft. This is the text that we proposed to change per =
the two suggestions below. The rest of the draft is not impacted by the IPR=
.

Regards,
Samer


From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Date: Monday, November 5, 2012 2:34 PM
To: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>, "ad=
rian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:=
adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mail=
to:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe=
3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mai=
lto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.=
org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Samer

I read the patent application, and disagree with your interpretation of its=
 scope.

The first and second independent claims are very general,
and claim any mechanism that has a multihomed device speaking with 2 PEs
which exchange messages over an ICCP channel.
This is basically the entire draft.

There is no specification that the PEs are co-located or not, whether the c=
hannel is shared or not, etc.

Y(J)S

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-boun=
ces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 17:43
To: Yaakov Stein; adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>; 'Andrew =
G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi,

To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure were i=
dentified in the course of the discussions, one without the IPR and one wit=
h. The current draft only captures the latter because it offers better reve=
rsion time characteristics (note that failover protection time is comparabl=
e for both, it is primarily the reversion time upon recovery that is differ=
ent). With the approval of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:

1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted

Regards,
Samer

From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<=
mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.c=
om<mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org=
>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.=
org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tool=
s.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09
Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>>, <sajassi@cisco.=
com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, <satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto=
:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp>>, <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cis=
co.com>>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM

Adrian,

I support removal of the procedure.

Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an implementation t=
o be compliant with an RFC.

Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it is par=
t of the IETF's definition
of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that option the =
IPR becomes essential.
This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a described proce=
dure.

I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure as wel=
l,
as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted) being ruled=
 unenforceable.

Y(J)S


From:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-bounc=
es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ie=
tf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@to=
ols.ietf.org>
Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi,

Samer said:

> the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an optional proce=
dure for a specific error scenario.

That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another way of h=
andling this specific error scenario, or even simply to remove the optional=
 procedure.

What do people think?

Thanks,
Adrian

From:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:pwe3-bounc=
es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50
To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-i=
ccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09

Hi Andy,

First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an oversight on=
 our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, we wish to assure th=
e WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution of the docu=
ment, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft in a later =
version ( draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the ini=
tial draft, and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR d=
isclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were updating =
version -09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in that same timefra=
me.

That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not mandatory in t=
he draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific error scenario. Furthe=
rmore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed by Cisco =
under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'.

Regards,
Samer

From: "Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.malis@v=
erizon.com>>
Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.o=
rg>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tool=
s.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-ic=
cp@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.c=
om>>
Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pw=
e3-iccp-09

To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:

PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This leads =
to two important questions:

1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original draft-ma=
rtini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost simultaneously=
 with the publication of the original -00 version of the draft. This leads =
to the difficult question of why this IPR wasn't disclosed until now, more =
than four years after the initial filing and almost three years from the pu=
blic publication of the filing.  The chairs would like the authors to respo=
nd to the lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF'=
s IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well, and el=
sewhere as well.

2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an opi=
nion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the disclo=
sure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.

Thanks,
Andy and Matthew
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From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-ipr@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org>>
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-i=
etf-pwe3-iccp-09
To: sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>, lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:=
lmartini@cisco.com>, ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>, satoru.mats=
ushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp>
Cc: pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:=
andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:ipr-announce@ietf=
.org>, stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>

Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:

 An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Inter-Cha=
ssis
Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp) was
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on the =
"IETF
Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR disclosure i=
s
"Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");

The IETF Secretariat

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Samer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">I agree that the application only covers uplink failures fro=
m PEs towards the network core.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Thus it is not relevant to other failure locations.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Almost any method that desires to protect against such failu=
res needs to detect that uplink failure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">(except 1&#43;1 or triangle routing).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Likewise, almost any multichassis method requires telling th=
e multihomed device to send to the other PE.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Y(J)S<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> pwe3-bou=
nces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 00:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Yaakov Stein; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.=
org; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Hi Yaakov,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">The first claim restricts the scope of the IPR to the scenario=
 where the two conditions are met:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:
     auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:
     &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">PE is isolated from the co=
re and<o:p></o:p></span>
</li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:
     auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:
     &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">PE sends a message to the =
dual-homed CE to inform the latter of this condition&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">I've highlighted the relevant conditions in this snippet of th=
e IPR:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&quot;A method comprising: forwarding traffic received on a fi=
rst downlink connection with a dual-homed device to an uplink connection wi=
th a network core;
<b>detecting a failure on the uplink connection with the network core</b>; =
and in response to detecting the failure, notifying a standby device of the=
 failure
<b>and sending a message to the dual-homed device</b> to trigger the dual-h=
omed device to begin forwarding traffic to the network core via a second do=
wnlink connection between the standby device and the dual-homed device.&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">As you know, the ICCP draft covers both PW redundancy as well =
as AC redundancy for Ethernet Link Aggregation Group. Furthermore, for each=
 redundancy mechanism
 it covers the following three types of failures:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">-Attachment Circuit Failures<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">- PE Node Failure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">- PE Isolation from the core<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">The IPR concerns only the PE isolation failure for the multi-c=
hassis LAG (mLACP), and in particular only covers the text in the first par=
agraph of section 9.2.2.4
 of the draft. This is the text that we proposed to change per the two sugg=
estions below. The rest of the draft is not impacted by the IPR.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Samer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@=
rad.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, November 5, 2012 2:34 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@ci=
sco.com">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co=
.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.u=
k">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&=
quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf=
-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm" id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUO=
TE">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Samer</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">I read the patent application, and disagree with your interp=
retation of its scope.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">The first and second independent claims are very general,</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">and claim any mechanism that has a multihomed device speakin=
g with 2 PEs</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">which exchange messages over an ICCP channel.</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">This is basically the entire draft.</span><span style=3D"col=
or:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">There is no specification that the PEs are co-located or not=
, whether the channel is shared or not, etc.</span><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Y(J)S</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a href=
=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>]<b>On Be=
half Of
</b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2012 17:43<br>
<b>To:</b> Yaakov Stein; <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@oldd=
og.co.uk</a>; 'Andrew G. Malis';
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft=
-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Hi,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described pro=
cedure were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the IP=
R and one with. The
 current draft only captures the latter because it offers better reversion =
time characteristics (note that failover protection time is comparable for =
both, it is primarily the reversion time upon recovery that is different). =
With the approval of the other co-authors,
 we would be happy to:</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR</span><s=
pan style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Regards,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Samer</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@=
rad.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk=
</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</=
a>&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@=
verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pw=
e3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=
=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.or=
g">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@rad.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">lmartini@cisco.=
com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>=
&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">satoru.mat=
sushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">=
ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt" i=
d=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Adrian,
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">I support removal of the procedure.</span><span style=3D"col=
or:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Timely disclosure is required if IPR is &quot;essential&quot=
; for an implementation to be compliant with an RFC.</span><span style=3D"c=
olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in th=
e RFC it is part of the IETF's definition</span><span style=3D"color:black"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement t=
hat option the IPR becomes essential.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a =
described procedure.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the p=
rocedure as well,
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if grant=
ed) being ruled unenforceable.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Y(J)S</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org=
</a>
 [<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>=
] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Adrian Farrel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe=
3@ietf.org">
pwe3@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">d=
raft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Samer said:</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&gt; the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is=
 an optional procedure for a specific error scenario.</span><span style=3D"=
color:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider a=
nother way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to remo=
ve the
 optional procedure.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">What do people think?</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Adrian</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org=
</a>
 [<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>=
] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 October 2012 17:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew G. Malis; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org<=
/a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to dr=
aft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Hi Andy,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an=
 oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, we wish=
 to assure
 the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-examining the evolution of the d=
ocument, the procedures related to the IPR were added to the draft in a lat=
er version (&nbsp;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of=
 the initial draft, and this is our best
 guess as to why we missed filing the IPR disclosure earlier, and it only c=
ame to our attention when we were updating version &#8211;09 of the draft, =
since the patent was allowed in that same timeframe.</span><span style=3D"c=
olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not m=
andatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific error sce=
nario.
 Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different from any other filed by=
 Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'.&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Regards,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">Samer</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&quot;Andrew G. Malis&qu=
ot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizo=
n.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D=
"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.iet=
f.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">=
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-=
ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0c=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:black">To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:<=
br>
<br>
PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.&nbsp; This l=
eads to two important questions:<br>
<br>
1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original draft-ma=
rtini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost simultaneously=
 with the publication of the original -00 version of the draft. This leads =
to the difficult question of why
 this IPR wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initia=
l filing and almost three years from the public publication of the filing.&=
nbsp; The chairs would like the authors to respond to the lateness of the f=
iling, given the many announcements of
 the IETF's IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note We=
ll, and elsewhere as well.<br>
<br>
2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has an opi=
nion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft given the disclo=
sure of the IPR and the license terms that have been published.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Andy and Matthew</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:black">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b>IETF Secretariat</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org">ietf=
-ipr@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM<br>
Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-i=
etf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>, <a href=3D"=
mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">
lmartini@cisco.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">ssalam@cisco.co=
m</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">
satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:a=
ndrew.g.malis@verizon.com">
andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:ipr-announce@ietf.org">ip=
r-announce@ietf.org</a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a><br>
<br>
Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled &quot=
;Inter-Chassis<br>
Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy&quot; (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp)=
 was<br>
submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted on the =
&quot;IETF<br>
Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures&quot;<br>
(<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/" target=3D"_blank">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/</a>). The title of the IPR disclosure is<=
br>
&quot;Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09.&quot;&qu=
ot;);<br>
<br>
The IETF Secretariat<br>
<br>
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PWE3ers,

The draft below is now in IETF last call, and may be of interest to WG
participants. Please read the draft, and if you have comments, send them
directly to ietf@ietf.org (see the instructions in the email). Comments are
due by 9 November.

Cheers,
Andy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Subject: Last Call: <draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03.txt> (Label
Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs) to Proposed Standard
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org

The IESG has received a request from the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG
(mpls) to consider the following document:
- 'Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs'
  <draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-11-09. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract

   Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping
   and traceroute mechanisms are commonly used to detect and isolate
   data plane failures in all MPLS LSPs including Pseudowire (PW) LSPs.
   The PW LSP Ping and traceroute elements, however, are not specified
   for IPv6 address usage.

   This document extends the PW LSP Ping and traceroute mechanisms so
   they can be used with IPv6 PWs, and updates RFC 4379.


The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.

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PWE3ers,<br><br>The draft below is now in IETF last call, and may be of int=
erest to WG participants. Please read the draft, and if you have comments, =
send them directly to <a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a> (s=
ee the instructions in the email). Comments are due by 9 November.<br>

<br>Cheers,<br>Andy<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded =
message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">The IESG</b> <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org">iesg-secretary=
@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span><br>

Date: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:31 PM<br>Subject: Last Call: &lt;draft-ietf-mp=
ls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03.txt&gt; (Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pse=
udowire FECs) to Proposed Standard<br>To: IETF-Announce &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:ietf-announce@ietf.org">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>

Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a><br><br>
The IESG has received a request from the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG<b=
r>
(mpls) to consider the following document:<br>
- &#39;Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs&#39;<br>
=A0 &lt;draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03.txt&gt; as Proposed Standard<br=
>
<br>
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits<br>
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a> mailing lists by 2012-11=
-09. Exceptionally, comments may be<br>
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beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.<br>
<br>
Abstract<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping=
<br>
=A0 =A0and traceroute mechanisms are commonly used to detect and isolate<br=
>
=A0 =A0data plane failures in all MPLS LSPs including Pseudowire (PW) LSPs.=
<br>
=A0 =A0The PW LSP Ping and traceroute elements, however, are not specified<=
br>
=A0 =A0for IPv6 address usage.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0This document extends the PW LSP Ping and traceroute mechanisms so<b=
r>
=A0 =A0they can be used with IPv6 PWs, and updates RFC 4379.<br>
<br>
<br>
The file can be obtained via<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping=
/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-p=
w-lsp-ping/</a><br>
<br>
IESG discussion can be tracked via<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping=
/ballot/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls=
-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping/ballot/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.<br>
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PWE3 Working Group,
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this is to start a one week PWE3 working group last call on
draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01.

Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing
list (mpls@ietf.org), yes it is the mpls wg mailing list that
is intended. Any practical problems with this, please send the mail
to me and I will forward it.

Please send both technical comments, and if you are happy with the
document as is also indications of support.

This working group last call will end on November 17.

MPLS Working Group,
-------------------

when we started the working last call for  draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-
id-mib-01 we forgot to include the pwe3 working in this wglc.

The chairs of the two groups discussed this and agreed to start a 1 week 
working group last call in the PWEe working group; "after"
the IETF meeting in Atlanta. This mail starts this wglc.

Since we want the PWE3 and MPLS WG comment on the same version of the
draft, we will leave the MPLS wg last call open until we close the
wglc in PWE3.

/Loa
for all the co-chairs


On 2012-10-12 15:52, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Group,
>
> this is to start a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01.
>
> Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing
> list (mpls@ietf.org).
>
> Please send both technical comments, and if you are happy with the
> document as is also indications of support.
>
> This working group last call will end on October 28.
>
> /Loa
> for the wg co-chairs

-- 


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Hi Carlos,

Not entirely, and I need to update my discuss.

I think that the draft really needs a review by a couple of PWE3 RFC4447 ex=
perts to make sure nothing got missed, and I see no evidence that anyone fr=
om PWE3 did a detailed review.

However, there is a point that only came to mind as I thought about the dra=
ft over night. In order to support IPv6 we will need to do a s/w update at =
both PEs. Thus the WG should consider whether it wishes to continue to supp=
ort both FEC 128 and 129, or whether this is an opportunity to retire FEC 1=
28. The only issue that I can think of with retiring 128 is if you have leg=
acy 128 equipment behind a 6 to 4 translator, but I wonder how likely such =
a scenario really is.

Anyway I am concerned that this is a discussion that should have taken plac=
e in PWE3 before the draft got this far.

Stewart

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Nov 2012, at 01:32, "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com=
> wrote:

> Stewart,
>=20
> This document replaces an individual document that was initially presente=
d simultaneously to the MPLS and PWE3 WGs (circa IETF82 timeframe). At the =
time (before this document was adopted as an MPLS WG item) we discussed wit=
h the chairs from both WGs and decided to progress it in MPLS, mainly becau=
se it was updating RFC 4379 and updating definitions created in the MPLS WG=
.=20
>=20
> The PWE3 working group has been reviewing this document from when it was =
an individual contribution, all the way to IETF LC. Here's some pointers to=
 that effect:
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12676.html // Sent t=
o both lists.
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12677.html // PWE3 c=
hair commenting on it, both on the MPLS and PWE3 lists.
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12808.html // Sent t=
o both lists.
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg13332.html // All th=
e way to IETF LC in both lists.
>=20
> Does this address your concern?
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> -- Carlos.
>=20
> On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> DISCUSS:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>=20
>> This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
>> taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
>> document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related
>> documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on
>> with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
>>=20
>> As far as I am able to determin, this document was not reviewed by the
>> PWE3 WG, thus the main purpose of this discuss is to make sure that this
>> has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
>=20

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This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related
documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on
with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.

As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally reviewed
by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that
this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.

My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined in
this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to
retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in
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Hi, Stewart,

Thanks for the comments -- please see inline.

On Nov 13, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Stewart Bryant (stbryant) <stbryant@cisco.com<=
mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>> wrote:

Hi Carlos,

Not entirely, and I need to update my discuss.

I think that the draft really needs a review by a couple of PWE3 RFC4447 ex=
perts to make sure nothing got missed, and I see no evidence that anyone fr=
om PWE3 did a detailed review.


I am not sure what specific evidence you are looking for or expecting. You =
are correct, this document did not get named non-co-author assigned reviewe=
rs explicitly representing PWE3 -- but that was not understood as a require=
ment, and the document was brought to PWE3 and the co-authors are also PWE3=
ers.

On the other hand, you can see from the IETF82 minutes that this was presen=
ted at PWE3:
http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/82/slides/pwe3-4.pdf

With the following minutes:
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pwe3/minutes?item=3Dminutes82.html


          10 min - IPv6 PW LSP Ping - Mach CHEN
          http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping

          Mach presented.

          Questions:
          No questions.  Will take discussion to the list.

          Andy noted that the Chairs think that this is an important piece =
of work
          for the WG.  Please review the draft.  Fills an existing hole in =
PWE3.

And the last paragraph signaled PWE3 awareness and review. Are you expectin=
g appointed reviewers from PWE3?

However, there is a point that only came to mind as I thought about the dra=
ft over night. In order to support IPv6 we will need to do a s/w update at =
both PEs. Thus the WG should consider whether it wishes to continue to supp=
ort both FEC 128 and 129, or whether this is an opportunity to retire FEC 1=
28. The only issue that I can think of with retiring 128 is if you have leg=
acy 128 equipment behind a 6 to 4 translator, but I wonder how likely such =
a scenario really is.

That did not seem to be a consideration for 4447bis http://www.ietf.org/mai=
l-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg13145.html

Thanks,

-- Carlos.


Anyway I am concerned that this is a discussion that should have taken plac=
e in PWE3 before the draft got this far.

Stewart

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Nov 2012, at 01:32, "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com=
<mailto:cpignata@cisco.com>> wrote:

Stewart,

This document replaces an individual document that was initially presented =
simultaneously to the MPLS and PWE3 WGs (circa IETF82 timeframe). At the ti=
me (before this document was adopted as an MPLS WG item) we discussed with =
the chairs from both WGs and decided to progress it in MPLS, mainly because=
 it was updating RFC 4379 and updating definitions created in the MPLS WG.

The PWE3 working group has been reviewing this document from when it was an=
 individual contribution, all the way to IETF LC. Here's some pointers to t=
hat effect:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12676.html // Sent to =
both lists.
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12677.html // PWE3 cha=
ir commenting on it, both on the MPLS and PWE3 lists.
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12808.html // Sent to =
both lists.
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg13332.html // All the =
way to IETF LC in both lists.

Does this address your concern?

Thanks,

-- Carlos.

On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com>> wrote:

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This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related
documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on
with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.

As far as I am able to determin, this document was not reviewed by the
PWE3 WG, thus the main purpose of this discuss is to make sure that this
has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.



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Hi, Stewart,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the comments -- please see inline.</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Nov 13, 2012, at 3:54 AM, Stewart Bryant (stbryant) &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:stbryant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi Carlos,<br>
<br>
Not entirely, and I need to update my discuss.<br>
<br>
I think that the draft really needs a review by a couple of PWE3 RFC4447 ex=
perts to make sure nothing got missed, and I see no evidence that anyone fr=
om PWE3 did a detailed review.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not sure what specific evidence you are looking for or expecting.=
 You are correct, this document did not get named non-co-author assigned re=
viewers explicitly representing PWE3 -- but that was not understood as a re=
quirement, and the document was
 brought to PWE3 and the co-authors are also PWE3ers.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the other hand, you can see from the IETF82 minutes that this was p=
resented at PWE3:</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/82/slides/pwe3-4.pdf">http://t=
ools.ietf.org/agenda/82/slides/pwe3-4.pdf</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With the following minutes:</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pwe3/minutes?item=3Dminutes82.html=
">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pwe3/minutes?item=3Dminutes82.html</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<pre>          <span class=3D"h2"><a name=3D"section-10">10</a> min - IPv6 =
PW LSP Ping - Mach CHEN</span>
          <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp=
-ping">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping</a>
         =20
          Mach presented.
         =20
          Questions:
          No questions.  Will take discussion to the list.
         =20
          Andy noted that the Chairs think that this is an important piece =
of work
          for the WG.  Please review the draft.  Fills an existing hole in =
PWE3.</pre>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And the last paragraph signaled PWE3 awareness and review.&nbsp;Are yo=
u expecting appointed reviewers from PWE3?</div>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">However, there is a point that only came to mind =
as I thought about the draft over night. In order to support IPv6 we will n=
eed to do a s/w update at both PEs. Thus the WG should consider whether it =
wishes to continue to support both
 FEC 128 and 129, or whether this is an opportunity to retire FEC 128. The =
only issue that I can think of with retiring 128 is if you have legacy 128 =
equipment behind a 6 to 4 translator, but I wonder how likely such a scenar=
io really is.<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That did not seem to be a consideration for 4447bis&nbsp;<a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg13145.html">http://www.i=
etf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg13145.html</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- Carlos.</div>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
Anyway I am concerned that this is a discussion that should have taken plac=
e in PWE3 before the draft got this far.<br>
<br>
Stewart<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
On 13 Nov 2012, at 01:32, &quot;Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)&quot; &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Stewart,<br>
<br>
This document replaces an individual document that was initially presented =
simultaneously to the MPLS and PWE3 WGs (circa IETF82 timeframe). At the ti=
me (before this document was adopted as an MPLS WG item) we discussed with =
the chairs from both WGs and decided
 to progress it in MPLS, mainly because it was updating RFC 4379 and updati=
ng definitions created in the MPLS WG.
<br>
<br>
The PWE3 working group has been reviewing this document from when it was an=
 individual contribution, all the way to IETF LC. Here's some pointers to t=
hat effect:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12676.html"=
>http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12676.html</a> // Sen=
t to both lists.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12677.html"=
>http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12677.html</a> // PWE=
3 chair commenting on it, both on the MPLS and PWE3 lists.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12808.html"=
>http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg12808.html</a> // Sen=
t to both lists.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg13332.html"=
>http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg13332.html</a> // All=
 the way to IETF LC in both lists.<br>
<br>
Does this address your concern?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
-- Carlos.<br>
<br>
On Nov 12, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Stewart Bryant &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@=
cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">-------------------------------------------------=
---------------------<br>
DISCUSS:<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not<br>
taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their<br>
document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related<br>
documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on<br>
with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
<br>
As far as I am able to determin, this document was not reviewed by the<br>
PWE3 WG, thus the main purpose of this discuss is to make sure that this<br=
>
has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
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Hi,
I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and remote PE 
address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-bit long. I wonder 
if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the corresponding LDP 
router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And we will not define 
128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least currently not defined in 
MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 
128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping.

Thanks
Lizhong


> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
> From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com>
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> This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
> taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
> document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related
> documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on
> with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
> 
> As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally reviewed
> by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that
> this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
> 
> My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined in
> this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to
> retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
> removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in
> the PWE3 WG.
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have a question to this draft, not
objection. The sender and remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined
in RFC4379 is 32-bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address
as the corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And
we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least currently
not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not necessary to define
IPv6 &quot;FEC 128/129&quot; Pseudowire for LSP ping.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Lizhong</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Message: 3<br>
&gt; Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Stewart Bryant&quot; &lt;stbryant@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; To: The IESG &lt;iesg@ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, &nbsp; pwe3@ietf.org, pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org<br>
&gt; Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on<br>
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&gt; Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html<br>
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&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; DISCUSS:<br>
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not<br>
&gt; taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their<br>
&gt; document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related<br>
&gt; documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show
on<br>
&gt; with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally reviewed<br>
&gt; by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that<br>
&gt; this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined
in<br>
&gt; this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity
to<br>
&gt; retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be<br>
&gt; removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place
in<br>
&gt; the PWE3 WG.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; </font>
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"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-bidi-font-famil=
y:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-ansi-language:EN">Hi Lizhong,<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><span lang=3D=
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y:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-ansi-language:EN">According to Section 3.2.9 (the third
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"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-bidi-font-famil=
y:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-ansi-language:EN">=A1=B0=A1=ADThe value field consists o=
f the sender's PE address (the source address of the targeted LDP session),=
 the remote
 PE address (the destination address of the targeted LDP session)=A1=AD=A1=
=B1<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-bidi-font-famil=
y:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-ansi-language:EN">It explicitly states that the PE addre=
sses are the source and destination addresses of the targeted LDP session,
 there is not any relationship to the router-id. <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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y:=CB=CE=CC=E5;mso-ansi-language:EN">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
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=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></font></b><font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:=CB=CE=CC=E5"> pwe3-bounces@ietf.org
 [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] </span></font><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"=
=CB=CE=CC=E5"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;font=
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S" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5">Lizhong Jin<br>
</span></font><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;font-weight:bold">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=
=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:=CB=CE=CC=E5"> 2012</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5">=C4=EA<span lang=
=3D"EN-US">11</span>=D4=C2<span lang=3D"EN-US">14</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D=
"EN-US">
 15:03<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"=
EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> stbryant@cisco.com<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@=
tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; p=
we3-chairs@tools.ietf.org<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Re: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discu=
ss on draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with DISCUSS)<o:p></o:p></span>=
</span></font></p>
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"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Hi,=
</span></font><span lang=3D"EN-US">
<br>
</span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I have a q=
uestion to this draft, not objection. The sender and remote PE address in P=
W target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-bit long. I wonder
 if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the corresponding LDP router-=
id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And we will not define 128-bit LDP ro=
uter-id in IPv6 networks (at least currently not defined in MPLS WG). If th=
at works, then it is not necessary
 to define IPv6 &quot;FEC 128/129&quot; Pseudowire for LSP ping.</span></fo=
nt><span lang=3D"EN-US">
<br>
<br>
</span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks</sp=
an></font><span lang=3D"EN-US">
<br>
</span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Lizhong</s=
pan></font><span lang=3D"EN-US">
<br>
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&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Message: 3<br>
&gt; Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Stewart Bryant&quot; &lt;stbryant@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; To: The IESG &lt;iesg@ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, &nbsp; pwe3@ietf.org, pwe3-ch=
airs@tools.ietf.org<br>
&gt; Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: &nbsp; (with DISCUSS=
)<br>
&gt; Message-ID: &lt;20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com&gt;=
<br>
&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<=
br>
&gt; email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi=
s<br>
&gt; introductory paragraph, however.)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.ht=
ml<br>
&gt; for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
<br>
&gt; DISCUSS:<br>
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not<b=
r>
&gt; taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their<br=
>
&gt; document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW relate=
d<br>
&gt; documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on=
<br>
&gt; with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally review=
ed<br>
&gt; by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that<=
br>
&gt; this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined =
in<br>
&gt; this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to<=
br>
&gt; retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be<br>
&gt; removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in=
<br>
&gt; the PWE3 WG.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
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Hi Samer,
Could you provide more technical detail about the one without IPR? I must 
miss something in this discussion.

Thanks
Lizhong


> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:42:55 +0000
> From: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com>
> To: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk"
>    <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "'Andrew G. Malis'"
>    <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>,   "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>,
>    "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org"
>    <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
> Cc: "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>    draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure
> were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the 
> IPR and one with. The current draft only captures the latter because
> it offers better reversion time characteristics (note that failover 
> protection time is comparable for both, it is primarily the 
> reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approval 
> of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:
> 
> 1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
> 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted
> 
> Regards,
> Samer
> 
> From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
> To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" 
<adrian@olddog.co.uk<
> mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" 
<andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<
> mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org
> >" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-
> iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>" 
> <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
> iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
> Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" 
<stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com
> >>
> Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to 
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
> Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>>, 
> <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, <satoru.
> matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp
> >>, <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
> Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
> 
> Adrian,
> 
> I support removal of the procedure.
> 
> Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an 
> implementation to be compliant with an RFC.
> 
> Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it
> is part of the IETF's definition
> of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that 
> option the IPR becomes essential.
> This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a 
> described procedure.
> 
> I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure as 
well,
> as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted) 
> being ruled unenforceable.
> 
> Y(J)S
> 
> 
> From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:
> pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
> To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:
> pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-
> ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
> Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to 
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Samer said:
> 
> > the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an 
> optional procedure for a specific error scenario.
> 
> That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another 
> way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to 
> remove the optional procedure.
> 
> What do people think?
> 
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> 
> From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:
> pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
> Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50
> To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-
> 
ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
> Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to 
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an 
> oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, 
> we wish to assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-
> examining the evolution of the document, the procedures related to 
> the IPR were added to the draft in a later version ( draft-ietf-
> pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the initial draft, 
> and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR 
> disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were 
> updating version ?09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in 
> that same timeframe.
> 
> That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not 
> mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific 
> error scenario. Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different 
> from any other filed by Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory 
terms'.
> 
> Regards,
> Samer
> 
> From: "Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.
> malis@verizon.com>>
> Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
> To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" 
<pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org
> >>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
> iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
> Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" 
<stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com
> >>
> Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-
> ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> 
> To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:
> 
> PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This
> leads to two important questions:
> 
> 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original 
> draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost
> simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version of 
> the draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR 
> wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initial 
> filing and almost three years from the public publication of the 
> filing.  The chairs would like the authors to respond to the 
> lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF's 
> IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well, 
> and elsewhere as well.
> 
> 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has
> an opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft 
> given the disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have 
beenpublished.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy and Matthew
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-ipr@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org>>
> Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
> Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to 
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> To: sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>, lmartini@cisco.com<
> mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>, ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com
> >, satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.
> softbank.co.jp>
> Cc: pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<
> mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:
> ipr-announce@ietf.org>, stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>
> 
> Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:
> 
>  An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled 
> "Inter-Chassis
> Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp) 
was
> submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted 
> on the "IETF
> Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR 
disclosure is
> "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");
> 
> The IETF Secretariat
> 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi Samer,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Could you provide more technical detail
about the one without IPR? I must miss something in this discussion.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Lizhong</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Message: 2<br>
&gt; Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:42:55 +0000<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;ssalam@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; To: Yaakov Stein &lt;yaakov_s@rad.com&gt;, &quot;adrian@olddog.co.uk&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&gt;, &nbsp; &quot;pwe3@ietf.org&quot;
&lt;pwe3@ietf.org&gt;,<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)&quot; &lt;stbryant@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; Message-ID:<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90D7C1982@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;windows-1252&quot;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure<br>
&gt; were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the
<br>
&gt; IPR and one with. The current draft only captures the latter because<br>
&gt; it offers better reversion time characteristics (note that failover
<br>
&gt; protection time is comparable for both, it is primarily the <br>
&gt; reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approval
<br>
&gt; of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR<br>
&gt; 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Samer<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: Yaakov Stein &lt;yaakov_s@rad.com&lt;mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
&gt; To: &quot;adrian@olddog.co.uk&lt;mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt;&quot;
&lt;adrian@olddog.co.uk&lt;<br>
&gt; mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt;&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot;
&lt;andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&lt;<br>
&gt; mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&gt;&gt;, &quot;pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3@ietf.org<br>
&gt; &gt;&quot; &lt;pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;&gt;, &quot;draft-ietf-pwe3-<br>
&gt; iccp@tools.ietf.org&lt;mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;&quot;
<br>
&gt; &lt;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&lt;mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-<br>
&gt; iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;stbryant@cisco.com&lt;mailto:stbryant@cisco.com<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; Resent-From: &lt;yaakov_s@rad.com&lt;mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Resent-To: &lt;lmartini@cisco.com&lt;mailto:lmartini@cisco.com&gt;&gt;,
<br>
&gt; &lt;sajassi@cisco.com&lt;mailto:sajassi@cisco.com&gt;&gt;, &lt;satoru.<br>
&gt; matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp&lt;mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;, &lt;ssalam@cisco.com&lt;mailto:ssalam@cisco.com&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Adrian,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I support removal of the procedure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Timely disclosure is required if IPR is &quot;essential&quot; for
an <br>
&gt; implementation to be compliant with an RFC.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC
it<br>
&gt; is part of the IETF's definition<br>
&gt; of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that <br>
&gt; option the IPR becomes essential.<br>
&gt; This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a <br>
&gt; described procedure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure
as well,<br>
&gt; as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted) <br>
&gt; being ruled unenforceable.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Y(J)S<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org&gt; [mailto:<br>
&gt; pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel<br>
&gt; Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00<br>
&gt; To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; pwe3@ietf.org&gt;; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&lt;mailto:draft-<br>
&gt; ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Samer said:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an <br>
&gt; optional procedure for a specific error scenario.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another
<br>
&gt; way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to <br>
&gt; remove the optional procedure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; What do people think?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Adrian<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org&gt; [mailto:<br>
&gt; pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
&gt; Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50<br>
&gt; To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;; draft-<br>
&gt; ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&lt;mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi Andy,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an <br>
&gt; oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness,
<br>
&gt; we wish to assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-<br>
&gt; examining the evolution of the document, the procedures related to
<br>
&gt; the IPR were added to the draft in a later version ( draft-ietf-<br>
&gt; pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the initial draft,
<br>
&gt; and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR <br>
&gt; disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were
<br>
&gt; updating version ?09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in
<br>
&gt; that same timeframe.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not <br>
&gt; mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific
<br>
&gt; error scenario. Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different
<br>
&gt; from any other filed by Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory
terms'.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Samer<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: &quot;Andrew G. Malis&quot; &lt;andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&lt;mailto:andrew.g.<br>
&gt; malis@verizon.com&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM<br>
&gt; To: &quot;pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;&quot; &lt;pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3@ietf.org<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;, &quot;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&lt;mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-<br>
&gt; iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;&quot; &lt;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;stbryant@cisco.com&lt;mailto:stbryant@cisco.com<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-<br>
&gt; ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below. &nbsp;This<br>
&gt; leads to two important questions:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original
<br>
&gt; draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost<br>
&gt; simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version of
<br>
&gt; the draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR <br>
&gt; wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initial
<br>
&gt; filing and almost three years from the public publication of the <br>
&gt; filing. &nbsp;The chairs would like the authors to respond to the
<br>
&gt; lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF's
<br>
&gt; IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well,
<br>
&gt; and elsewhere as well.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has<br>
&gt; an opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft <br>
&gt; given the disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have beenpublished.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Andy and Matthew<br>
&gt; ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
&gt; From: IETF Secretariat &lt;ietf-ipr@ietf.org&lt;mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; To: sajassi@cisco.com&lt;mailto:sajassi@cisco.com&gt;, lmartini@cisco.com&lt;<br>
&gt; mailto:lmartini@cisco.com&gt;, ssalam@cisco.com&lt;mailto:ssalam@cisco.com<br>
&gt; &gt;, satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp&lt;mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.<br>
&gt; softbank.co.jp&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&lt;<br>
&gt; mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&gt;, ipr-announce@ietf.org&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; ipr-announce@ietf.org&gt;, stbryant@cisco.com&lt;mailto:stbryant@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp;An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled
<br>
&gt; &quot;Inter-Chassis<br>
&gt; Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy&quot; (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp)
was<br>
&gt; submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted
<br>
&gt; on the &quot;IETF<br>
&gt; Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures&quot;<br>
&gt; (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR disclosure
is<br>
&gt; &quot;Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09.&quot;&quot;);<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The IETF Secretariat<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; pwe3 mailing list<br>
&gt; pwe3@ietf.org&lt;mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;<br>
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To: Lizhong Jin <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>
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Hi Lizhong,

FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed).

Cheers,
Rajiv

Sent from my Phone

On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn<mailto:l=
izhong.jin@zte.com.cn>> wrote:

Hi,
I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and remote PE ad=
dress in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-bit long. I wonder if=
 we could interpret this 32-bit address as the corresponding LDP router-id =
which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And we will not define 128-bit LDP route=
r-id in IPv6 networks (at least currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that =
works, then it is not necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for=
 LSP ping.

Thanks
Lizhong


> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
> From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>>
> To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org<mailto:iesg@ietf.org>>
> Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-mpl=
s-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>,
>    mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,   pwe3@=
ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-chai=
rs@tools.ietf.org>
> Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
>    draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03:   (with DISCUSS)
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> Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for
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>
> This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
> taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
> document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related
> documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on
> with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
>
> As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally reviewed
> by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that
> this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
>
> My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined in
> this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to
> retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
> removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in
> the PWE3 WG.
>
>
>
>
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<div>Hi Lizhong,</div>
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128, 180, 0.230469); ">FEC stack</span>&nbsp;must
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<div>Rajiv</div>
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On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, &quot;Lizhong Jin&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn">lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Hi,</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have a question to this draft, not o=
bjection. The sender and remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined i=
n RFC4379 is 32-bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit addres=
s as the corresponding LDP router-id
 which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And we will not define 128-bit LDP rout=
er-id in IPv6 networks (at least currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that=
 works, then it is not necessary to define IPv6 &quot;FEC 128/129&quot; Pse=
udowire for LSP ping.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Lizhong</font> <br>
<br>
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&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Message: 3<br>
&gt; Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Stewart Bryant&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.=
com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; To: The IESG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a>&gt=
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&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org"=
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chairs@tools.ietf.org">
pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: &nbsp; (with DISCUSS=
)<br>
&gt; Message-ID: &lt;20121113091657.1863.41902.<a href=3D"mailto:idtracker@=
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&gt; Please refer to <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-=
criteria.html">
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html</a><br>
&gt; for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
<br>
&gt; DISCUSS:<br>
&gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not<b=
r>
&gt; taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their<br=
>
&gt; document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW relate=
d<br>
&gt; documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on=
<br>
&gt; with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally review=
ed<br>
&gt; by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that<=
br>
&gt; this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined =
in<br>
&gt; this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to<=
br>
&gt; retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be<br>
&gt; removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in=
<br>
&gt; the PWE3 WG.<br>
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&gt; <br>
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Hi Rajiv,
Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If it is a 
32bit router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right? Maybe 
I missed something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is 
there any PROS and CONS between the two options?

Thanks
Lizhong
 

"Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/14 20:43:26:

> Hi Lizhong,
> 
> FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed).
> 
> Cheers, 
> Rajiv
> 
> Sent from my Phone
> 
> On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn> 
wrote:

> Hi, 
> I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and 
> remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-
> bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the 
> corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And 
> we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least 
> currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not 
> necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping. 
> 
> Thanks 
> Lizhong 
> 
> 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
> > From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,
> >    mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org,   pwe3@ietf.org, 
pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org
> > Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
> >    draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03:   (with DISCUSS)
> > Message-ID: <20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for
> > draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss
> > 
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> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut 
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> > 
> > 
> > Please refer to 
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> > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > DISCUSS:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
> > taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
> > document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW 
related
> > documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on
> > with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
> > 
> > As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally 
reviewed
> > by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that
> > this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
> > 
> > My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined 
in
> > this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to
> > retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
> > removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in
> > the PWE3 WG.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi Rajiv,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Is there any technical reason why it
must be an IP address? If it is a 32bit router-id, the PW ping in IPv6
network will still work, right? Maybe I missed something, and would appreciate
if you could point out, or is there any PROS and CONS between the two options?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Lizhong</font>
<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&quot;Rajiv Asati (rajiva)&quot; &lt;rajiva@cisco.com&gt;
wrote 2012/11/14 20:43:26:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Lizhong,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Cheers, </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt; Rajiv</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my Phone</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, &quot;Lizhong Jin&quot; &lt;lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn&gt;
wrote:<br>
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt; Hi, <br>
&gt; I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and <br>
&gt; remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-<br>
&gt; bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the
<br>
&gt; corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And
<br>
&gt; we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least
<br>
&gt; currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not <br>
&gt; necessary to define IPv6 &quot;FEC 128/129&quot; Pseudowire for LSP
ping. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks <br>
&gt; Lizhong <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Message: 3<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800<br>
&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Stewart Bryant&quot; &lt;stbryant@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; To: The IESG &lt;iesg@ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, &nbsp; pwe3@ietf.org,
pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: &nbsp; (with
DISCUSS)<br>
&gt; &gt; Message-ID: &lt;20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for<br>
&gt; &gt; draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply
to all<br>
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cut this<br>
&gt; &gt; introductory paragraph, however.)<br>
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&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html<br>
&gt; &gt; for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; DISCUSS:<br>
&gt; &gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it
was not<br>
&gt; &gt; taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in
their<br>
&gt; &gt; document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for
PW related<br>
&gt; &gt; documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to
show on<br>
&gt; &gt; with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally
reviewed<br>
&gt; &gt; by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure
that<br>
&gt; &gt; this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be
defined in<br>
&gt; &gt; this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity
to<br>
&gt; &gt; retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should
be<br>
&gt; &gt; removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take
place in<br>
&gt; &gt; the PWE3 WG.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; </font>
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Hi Lizhong,

I'd be quite hesitant to redefine the semantics of the existing IPv4 sub-TL=
V, and I'd favor not changing deployed fields and instead defining new ones=
 for v6.

Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro.
Excuze typofraphicak errows

On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:46 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn<mailto:l=
izhong.jin@zte.com.cn>> wrote:


Hi Rajiv,
Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If it is a 32bi=
t router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right? Maybe I mi=
ssed something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is there an=
y PROS and CONS between the two options?

Thanks
Lizhong


"Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com<mailto:rajiva@cisco.com>> wrote 20=
12/11/14 20:43:26:

> Hi Lizhong,
>
> FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed).
>
> Cheers,
> Rajiv
>
> Sent from my Phone
>
> On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn<mailto=
:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and
> remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-
> bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the
> corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And
> we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least
> currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not
> necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping.
>
> Thanks
> Lizhong
>
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
> > From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>>
> > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org<mailto:iesg@ietf.org>>
> > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-m=
pls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>,
> >    mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,   pwe=
3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-ch=
airs@tools.ietf.org>
> > Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
> >    draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03:   (with DISCUSS)
> > Message-ID: <20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com<mailto:=
idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
> >
> > Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for
> > draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss
> >
> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
> > introductory paragraph, however.)
> >
> >
> > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.htm=
l
> > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > DISCUSS:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
> > taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
> > document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related
> > documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on
> > with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
> >
> > As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally reviewe=
d
> > by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that
> > this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
> >
> > My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined i=
n
> > this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to
> > retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
> > removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in
> > the PWE3 WG.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:46 AM, &quot;Lizhong Jin&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn">lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Hi Rajiv,</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there any technical reason why it m=
ust be an IP address? If it is a 32bit router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 netwo=
rk will still work, right? Maybe I missed something, and would appreciate i=
f you could point out, or is there any
 PROS and CONS between the two options?</font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Lizhong</font> <br>
<font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&nbsp;</font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Rajiv Asati (rajiva)&quot; &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:rajiva@cisco.com">rajiva@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote 2012/11/1=
4 20:43:26:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Lizhong,</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed)=
.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Cheers, </font><br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; Rajiv</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my Phone</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, &quot;Lizhong Jin&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn">lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</font><br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; Hi, <br>
&gt; I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and <br>
&gt; remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-<br>
&gt; bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the <b=
r>
&gt; corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And <br=
>
&gt; we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least <b=
r>
&gt; currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not <br>
&gt; necessary to define IPv6 &quot;FEC 128/129&quot; Pseudowire for LSP pi=
ng. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks <br>
&gt; Lizhong <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Message: 3<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800<br>
&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Stewart Bryant&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@c=
isco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; To: The IESG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</=
a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf=
.org">draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>,<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-c=
hairs@tools.ietf.org</a>, &nbsp;
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-=
chairs@tools.ietf.org">
pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: &nbsp; (with DI=
SCUSS)<br>
&gt; &gt; Message-ID: &lt;20121113091657.1863.41902.<a href=3D"mailto:idtra=
cker@ietfa.amsl.com">idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com</a>&gt;<br>
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&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for<br>
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&gt; &gt; Please refer to <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/dis=
cuss-criteria.html">
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html</a><br>
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>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------=
-----<br>
&gt; &gt; DISCUSS:<br>
&gt; &gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------=
-----<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was =
not<br>
&gt; &gt; taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in the=
ir<br>
&gt; &gt; document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW r=
elated<br>
&gt; &gt; documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to sh=
ow on<br>
&gt; &gt; with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally r=
eviewed<br>
&gt; &gt; by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure =
that<br>
&gt; &gt; this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.<br=
>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be def=
ined in<br>
&gt; &gt; this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunit=
y to<br>
&gt; &gt; retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should b=
e<br>
&gt; &gt; removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take pla=
ce in<br>
&gt; &gt; the PWE3 WG.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
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Hi Lizhong,

Good question. Here is the rationale -=20

1) router-id, by definition, does not need to be a routable IP address.
2) router-id, by definition, has no label bound to it.
3) router-id may be different from the next-hop IP address for which the LS=
P is constructed.  =20

If we put the above in the perspective, then RFC 4379 Section 3.2, which sa=
ys

//
   An MPLS echo request MUST have a Target FEC Stack that describes the
   FEC Stack being tested.
//

Then, it implicitly discounts the router-id usage in Target FEC stack.

Cheers,
Rajiv


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lizhong Jin [mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:46 AM
> To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
> Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; mpls-
> chairs@tools.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Stewart
> Bryant (stbryant)
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-l=
sp-
> ping-03: (with DISCUSS)
>=20
>=20
> Hi Rajiv,
> Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If it is a 32=
bit
> router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right? Maybe I mi=
ssed
> something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is there any
> PROS and CONS between the two options?
>=20
> Thanks
> Lizhong
>=20
>=20
> "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/14 20:43:26:
>=20
> > Hi Lizhong,
> >
> > FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rajiv
> >
> > Sent from my Phone
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>
> wrote:
>=20
> > Hi,
> > I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and
> > remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-
> > bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the
> > corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And
> > we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least
> > currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not
> > necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lizhong
> >
> >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
> > > From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> > > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> > > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,
> > >    mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org,   pwe3@ietf.org, pwe3-
> chairs@tools.ietf.org
> > > Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
> > >    draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03:   (with DISCUSS)
> > > Message-ID: <20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
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> > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
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is
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> > >
> > >
> > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> > > DISCUSS:
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
> > >
> > > This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
> > > taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
> > > document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW relat=
ed
> > > documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show o=
n
> > > with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
> > >
> > > As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally
> reviewed
> > > by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that
> > > this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
> > >
> > > My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined
> in
> > > this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to
> > > retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
> > > removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place i=
n
> > > the PWE3 WG.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

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I agree with Carlos. Would be good to define/have separate TLV for v6 instea=
d of overloading other objects. Reusing will add more confusion than what is=
 being gained out of it.

Cheers
Sam

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2012, at 1:21 PM, "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.c=
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> Hi Lizhong,
>=20
> I'd be quite hesitant to redefine the semantics of the existing IPv4 sub-T=
LV, and I'd favor not changing deployed fields and instead defining new ones=
 for v6.=20
>=20
> Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro.
> Excuze typofraphicak errows
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> On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:46 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn> wrote:=

>=20
>>=20
>> Hi Rajiv,=20
>> Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If it is a 32=
bit router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right? Maybe I m=
issed something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is there an=
y PROS and CONS between the two options?=20
>>=20
>> Thanks=20
>> Lizhong=20
>>  =20
>>=20
>> "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/14 20:43:26:
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>> > Hi Lizhong,=20
>> >=20
>> > FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed).=

>> >=20
>> > Cheers,=20
>> > Rajiv=20
>> >=20
>> > Sent from my Phone=20
>> >=20
>> > On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn> wro=
te:
>>=20
>> > Hi,=20
>> > I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and=20
>> > remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-
>> > bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the=20
>> > corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And=20
>> > we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least=20
>> > currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not=20
>> > necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping.=20
>> >=20
>> > Thanks=20
>> > Lizhong=20
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >=20
>> > > Message: 3
>> > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
>> > > From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com>
>> > > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
>> > > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,
>> > >    mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org,   pwe3@ietf.org, pwe3-chairs@tools.iet=
f.org
>> > > Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
>> > >    draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03:   (with DISCUSS)
>> > > Message-ID: <20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
>> > >=20
>> > > Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for
>> > > draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss
>> > >=20
>> > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all=

>> > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th=
is
>> > > introductory paragraph, however.)
>> > >=20
>> > >=20
>> > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.h=
tml
>> > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>> > >=20
>> > >=20
>> > >=20
>> > >=20
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
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>> > > DISCUSS:
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
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>> > >=20
>> > > This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not
>> > > taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their
>> > > document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW relat=
ed
>> > > documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show o=
n
>> > > with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
>> > >=20
>> > > As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally revie=
wed
>> > > by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that=

>> > > this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
>> > >=20
>> > > My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined=
 in
>> > > this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to=

>> > > retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
>> > > removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place i=
n
>> > > the PWE3 WG.
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>> > >=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I agree with Carlos. Would be good to define/have separate TLV for v6 instead of overloading other objects. Reusing will add more confusion than what is being gained out of it.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Sam<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 14, 2012, at 1:21 PM, "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" &lt;<a href="mailto:cpignata@cisco.com">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>

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<div>Hi Lizhong,</div>
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<div>I'd be quite hesitant to redefine the semantics of the existing IPv4 sub-TLV, and I'd favor not changing deployed fields and instead defining new ones for v6.&nbsp;<br>
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<div><br>
On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:46 AM, "Lizhong Jin" &lt;<a href="mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn">lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Hi Rajiv,</font> <br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If it is a 32bit router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right? Maybe I missed something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is there any
 PROS and CONS between the two options?</font> <br>
<br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks</font> <br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Lizhong</font> <br>
<font size="1" face="sans-serif">&nbsp;</font> <br>
<br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">"Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" &lt;<a href="mailto:rajiva@cisco.com">rajiva@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote 2012/11/14 20:43:26:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Lizhong,</font> <br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is constructed).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Cheers, </font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">&gt; Rajiv</font> <br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my Phone</font> <br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin" &lt;<a href="mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn">lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">&gt; Hi, <br>
&gt; I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and <br>
&gt; remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-<br>
&gt; bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the <br>
&gt; corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And <br>
&gt; we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least <br>
&gt; currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not <br>
&gt; necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks <br>
&gt; Lizhong <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Message: 3<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800<br>
&gt; &gt; From: "Stewart Bryant" &lt;<a href="mailto:stbryant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; To: The IESG &lt;<a href="mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: <a href="mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>,<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a>, &nbsp;
<a href="mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>, <a href="mailto:pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org">
pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: &nbsp; (with DISCUSS)<br>
&gt; &gt; Message-ID: &lt;20121113091657.1863.41902.<a href="mailto:idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com">idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
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&gt; &gt; Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for<br>
&gt; &gt; draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<br>
&gt; &gt; email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this<br>
&gt; &gt; introductory paragraph, however.)<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Please refer to <a href="http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html">
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html</a><br>
&gt; &gt; for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; DISCUSS:<br>
&gt; &gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was not<br>
&gt; &gt; taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in their<br>
&gt; &gt; document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW related<br>
&gt; &gt; documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to show on<br>
&gt; &gt; with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally reviewed<br>
&gt; &gt; by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure that<br>
&gt; &gt; this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be defined in<br>
&gt; &gt; this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity to<br>
&gt; &gt; retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be<br>
&gt; &gt; removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take place in<br>
&gt; &gt; the PWE3 WG.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; </font></div>
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To: Lizhong Jin <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>
Thread-Topic: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
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Hi Lizhong,

Essentially, the PE which encounters the core-isolation failure brings down=
 the port towards the CE (e.g. by bringing down the line-protocol or disabl=
ing the Tx laser). This will cause the CE to fail-over to the other member =
link of the bundle. In terms of fail-over time, this is comparable to relyi=
ng on LACP to bring down the Port Priority on the failed PE. However, for r=
eversion after recovery from failure, this scheme will take slightly more t=
ime compared to the LACP approach, since the LACP hand-shake needs to be tr=
aversed in order to restore traffic to the recovering PE. That said, it is =
possible for implementations to minimize the reversion time by having the C=
E control the maximum links per bundle policy, since in this later case the=
 CE continues to send traffic to the secondary PE until the link to the rec=
overing PE is ready to join the bundle =96 at that point that link pre-empt=
s the link to the secondary PE.

Regards,
Samer

From: Lizhong Jin <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn<mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>>
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:13 AM
To: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.o=
rg>>, "yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>" <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:=
yaakov_s@rad.com>>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adri=
an@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<m=
ailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andre=
w.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-=
ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto=
:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>, "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbrya=
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Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-iet=
f-pwe3-iccp-09


Hi Samer,
Could you provide more technical detail about the one without IPR? I must m=
iss something in this discussion.

Thanks
Lizhong


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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:42:55 +0000
> From: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
> To: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>, "adrian@old=
dog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>"
>    <adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'"
>    <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>,   "pw=
e3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>,
>    "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools=
.ietf.org>"
>    <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools=
.ietf.org>>
> Cc: "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cis=
co.com>>
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>    draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"windows-1252"
>
> Hi,
>
> To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure
> were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the
> IPR and one with. The current draft only captures the latter because
> it offers better reversion time characteristics (note that failover
> protection time is comparable for both, it is primarily the
> reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approval
> of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:
>
> 1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
> 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted
>
> Regards,
> Samer
>
> From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com><mailto:yaak=
ov_s@rad.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
> To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk><mailto:adrian@olddog=
.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk><
> mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.malis@verizon=
.com<mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com><
> mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>=
<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org
> >" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ie=
tf-pwe3-
> iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org><mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-ic=
cp@tools.ietf.org>"
> <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ie=
tf.org><mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
> iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org>>>
> Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco=
.com><mailto:stbryant@cisco.com
> >>
> Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com><mailto:yaakov_s@r=
ad.com>>
> Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com><mailto:lmartini=
@cisco.com>>,
> <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com><mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, =
<satoru.
> matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp><mailto:=
satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp
> >>, <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com><mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
> Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
>
> Adrian,
>
> I support removal of the procedure.
>
> Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an
> implementation to be compliant with an RFC.
>
> Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it
> is part of the IETF's definition
> of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that
> option the IPR becomes essential.
> This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a
> described procedure.
>
> I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure as w=
ell,
> as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted)
> being ruled unenforceable.
>
> Y(J)S
>
>
> From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3-bou=
nces@ietf.org> [mailto:
> pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Adrian =
Farrel
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
> To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@=
ietf.org><mailto:
> pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org=
<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org><mailto:draft-
> ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
> Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>
> Hi,
>
> Samer said:
>
> > the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an
> optional procedure for a specific error scenario.
>
> That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another
> way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to
> remove the optional procedure.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
> From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3-bou=
nces@ietf.org> [mailto:
> pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Samer S=
alam (ssalam)
> Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50
> To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3@ietf=
.org>; draft-
> ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org><mailt=
o:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
> Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an
> oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness,
> we wish to assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-
> examining the evolution of the document, the procedures related to
> the IPR were added to the draft in a later version ( draft-ietf-
> pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the initial draft,
> and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR
> disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were
> updating version ?09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in
> that same timeframe.
>
> That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not
> mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific
> error scenario. Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different
> from any other filed by Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory terms'=
.
>
> Regards,
> Samer
>
> From: "Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.malis=
@verizon.com><mailto:andrew.g.
> malis@verizon.com<mailto:malis@verizon.com>>>
> Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
> To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@iet=
f.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3@ietf.org
> >>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tool=
s.ietf.org><mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
> iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org>>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@t=
ools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org><mailto:
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.iet=
f.org>>>
> Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco=
.com><mailto:stbryant@cisco.com
> >>
> Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-
> ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>
> To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:
>
> PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This
> leads to two important questions:
>
> 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original
> draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost
> simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version of
> the draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR
> wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initial
> filing and almost three years from the public publication of the
> filing.  The chairs would like the authors to respond to the
> lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF's
> IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well,
> and elsewhere as well.
>
> 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has
> an opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft
> given the disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have beenpubli=
shed.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy and Matthew
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-ipr@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org><mailt=
o:ietf-ipr@ietf.org>>
> Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
> Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> To: sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com><mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>=
, lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com><
> mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>, ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com><mai=
lto:ssalam@cisco.com
> >, satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softba=
nk.co.jp><mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.
> softbank.co.jp>
> Cc: pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org><mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, andrew.g.m=
alis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com><
> mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:ipr-anno=
unce@ietf.org><mailto:
> ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:ipr-announce@ietf.org>>, stbryant@cisco.com<=
mailto:stbryant@cisco.com><mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>
>
> Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:
>
>  An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled
> "Inter-Chassis
> Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp) wa=
s
> submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted
> on the "IETF
> Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR disclosure=
 is
> "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
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<div>Hi Lizhong,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Essentially, the PE which encounters the core-isolation failure brings=
 down the port towards the CE (e.g. by bringing down the line-protocol or d=
isabling the Tx laser). This will cause the CE to fail-over to the other me=
mber link of the bundle. In terms
 of fail-over time, this is comparable to relying on LACP to bring down the=
 Port Priority on the failed PE. However, for reversion after recovery from=
 failure, this scheme will take slightly more time compared to the LACP app=
roach, since the LACP hand-shake
 needs to be traversed in order to restore traffic to the recovering PE. Th=
at said, it is possible for implementations to minimize the reversion time =
by having the CE control the maximum links per bundle policy, since in this=
 later case the CE continues to
 send traffic to the secondary PE until the link to the recovering PE is re=
ady to join the bundle =96 at that point that link pre-empts the link to th=
e secondary PE.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Samer</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Lizhong Jin &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn">lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, November 14, 2012 =
12:13 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot=
; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ie=
tf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@rad.com=
</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&gt;=
,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;, &q=
uot;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.co=
m</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.g.mali=
s@verizon.com</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pw=
e3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp=
@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;Stewart=
 Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com">stbryant=
@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco=
's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:=
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<div>
<div><br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Hi Samer,</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Could you provide more technical detai=
l about the one without IPR? I must miss something in this discussion.</fon=
t><br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks</font> <br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Lizhong</font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Message: 2<br>
&gt; Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:42:55 &#43;0000<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@ci=
sco.com">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; To: Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@rad.=
com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.=
uk</a>&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.=
co.uk</a>&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.=
g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;, &nbsp; &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">=
pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;,<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.o=
rg">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org=
">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; Message-ID:<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90D7=
C1982@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com">8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90D7C1982@xmb-a=
ln-x13.cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;windows-1252&quot;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure<b=
r>
&gt; were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the <br>
&gt; IPR and one with. The current draft only captures the latter because<b=
r>
&gt; it offers better reversion time characteristics (note that failover <b=
r>
&gt; protection time is comparable for both, it is primarily the <br>
&gt; reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approval <br=
>
&gt; of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR<br>
&gt; 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Samer<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@ra=
d.com</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com&gt;">mailto:yaakov_s@rad.co=
m&gt;</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
&gt; To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</=
a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt;">mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk=
&gt;</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.=
uk</a>&lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt;">mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk&=
gt;</a>&gt;, &quot;'Andrew G. Malis'&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.m=
alis@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&gt;">mailto:andrew.g.mali=
s@verizon.com&gt;</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf=
.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;">mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;</a>&gt;, &quot=
;draft-ietf-pwe3-<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org">iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;">mailto:draft-ietf-pw=
e3-iccp@tools.ietf.org&gt;</a>&quot;
<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-">mailto:=
draft-ietf-pwe3-</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org">iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;=
<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbrya=
nt@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.co=
m">mailto:stbryant@cisco.com</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to <br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; Resent-From: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com">yaakov_s@rad.com<=
/a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com&gt;">mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com&gt;<=
/a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Resent-To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">lmartini@cisco.co=
m</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com&gt;">mailto:lmartini@cisco.co=
m&gt;</a>&gt;,
<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com&gt;">mailto:sajassi@cisco.com&gt;</a>&gt;, =
&lt;satoru.<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">matsushima@tm.softbank=
.co.jp</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">mailto=
:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">ssalam@cisco.com</a>=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com&gt;">mailto:ssalam@cisco.com&gt;</a>=
&gt;<br>
&gt; Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Adrian,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I support removal of the procedure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Timely disclosure is required if IPR is &quot;essential&quot; for an <=
br>
&gt; implementation to be compliant with an RFC.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it<b=
r>
&gt; is part of the IETF's definition<br>
&gt; of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that <br>
&gt; option the IPR becomes essential.<br>
&gt; This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a <br>
&gt; described procedure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the procedure a=
s well,<br>
&gt; as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted) <br>
&gt; being ruled unenforceable.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Y(J)S<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</=
a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org=
</a>&gt; [mailto:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On=
 Behalf Of Adrian Farrel<br>
&gt; Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00<br>
&gt; To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@=
ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">
draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-">mailto=
:draft-</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to <br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Samer said:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an <br>
&gt; optional procedure for a specific error scenario.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another <br=
>
&gt; way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to <br>
&gt; remove the optional procedure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; What do people think?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Adrian<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</=
a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org=
</a>&gt; [mailto:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On=
 Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
&gt; Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50<br>
&gt; To: Andrew G. Malis; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;; draft-<=
br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">mail=
to:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to <br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi Andy,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an <br>
&gt; oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness, <br=
>
&gt; we wish to assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-<br>
&gt; examining the evolution of the document, the procedures related to <br=
>
&gt; the IPR were added to the draft in a later version ( draft-ietf-<br>
&gt; pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the initial draft, <br>
&gt; and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR <br>
&gt; disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were <br=
>
&gt; updating version ?09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in <br=
>
&gt; that same timeframe.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not <br>
&gt; mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific <br=
>
&gt; error scenario. Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different <br=
>
&gt; from any other filed by Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory ter=
ms'.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Samer<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: &quot;Andrew G. Malis&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis=
@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g"=
>mailto:andrew.g</a>.<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:malis@verizon.com">malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM<br>
&gt; To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;">mailto:pwe3@ietf.org&gt;</a>&quot; &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@iet=
f.org">mailto:pwe3@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org"=
>draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pw=
e3-">mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org">iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pw=
e3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-pwe3=
-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbrya=
nt@cisco.com">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.co=
m">mailto:stbryant@cisco.com</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-<b=
r>
&gt; ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below. &nbsp;T=
his<br>
&gt; leads to two important questions:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original <br=
>
&gt; draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost<b=
r>
&gt; simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version of <br=
>
&gt; the draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR <br>
&gt; wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initial <br=
>
&gt; filing and almost three years from the public publication of the <br>
&gt; filing. &nbsp;The chairs would like the authors to respond to the <br>
&gt; lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF's <br=
>
&gt; IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well, <br=
>
&gt; and elsewhere as well.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has<b=
r>
&gt; an opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft <br>
&gt; given the disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have beenpu=
blished.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Andy and Matthew<br>
&gt; ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
&gt; From: IETF Secretariat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org">ietf-i=
pr@ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org&gt;">mailto:ietf-ipr=
@ietf.org&gt;</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to <b=
r>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">mailto:sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;,
<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">lmartini@cisco.com</a>&lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com">mailto:lmartini@cisco.com</a>&gt=
;, <a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">
ssalam@cisco.com</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com">mailto:ssalam@c=
isco.com</a><br>
&gt; &gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp">satoru.ma=
tsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm">m=
ailto:satoru.matsushima@tm</a>.<br>
&gt; softbank.co.jp&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:pwe3@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;,
<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a=
>&lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com">mailto:andrew.g.malis@ve=
rizon.com</a>&gt;,
<a href=3D"mailto:ipr-announce@ietf.org">ipr-announce@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailt=
o:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ipr-announce@ietf.org">ipr-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;=
, <a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com">
stbryant@cisco.com</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com">mailto:stbr=
yant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp;An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled =
<br>
&gt; &quot;Inter-Chassis<br>
&gt; Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy&quot; (draft-ietf-pwe3-=
iccp) was<br>
&gt; submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted <b=
r>
&gt; on the &quot;IETF<br>
&gt; Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures&quot;<br>
&gt; (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/">https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/ipr/1898/</a>). The title of the IPR disclosure is<br>
&gt; &quot;Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09.&quo=
t;&quot;);<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The IETF Secretariat<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; pwe3 mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:pwe3@ietf.org">mailto:pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3">https://www.iet=
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Hi Rajiv,
Thanks for the clarification. The PW FEC128 does not contain IP address in 
RFC4447. The peer PE address for PW is locally configured, and is used to 
search the correct LDP session to send the label mapping. Whether the peer 
PE address is routable or not, if the PE could find the correct LDP 
session, then PW could be setup. So I think it works in IPv6 if the peer 
PE address is a LDP router-id.
However, in IPv6 field deployments, there could be case to have a routable 
IPv6 address to configure the peer PE, which is described in this 
reviewing draft. I am OK to define a new TLV now.

BTW, does that mean we also need to update RFC5003 to update the 32bit 
prefix in AII type 2? Why don't we define the address by the address 
family + address? In that case, we could save much work.

Lizhong
 

"Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/15 05:29:40:

> Hi Lizhong,
> 
> Good question. Here is the rationale - 
> 
> 1) router-id, by definition, does not need to be a routable IP address.
> 2) router-id, by definition, has no label bound to it.
> 3) router-id may be different from the next-hop IP address for which
> the LSP is constructed. 
> 
> If we put the above in the perspective, then RFC 4379 Section 3.2, which 
says
> 
> //
>    An MPLS echo request MUST have a Target FEC Stack that describes the
>    FEC Stack being tested.
> //
> 
> Then, it implicitly discounts the router-id usage in Target FEC stack.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rajiv
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lizhong Jin [mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:46 AM
> > To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
> > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; 
mpls-
> > chairs@tools.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org; 
Stewart
> > Bryant (stbryant)
> > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on 
draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-
> > ping-03: (with DISCUSS)
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Rajiv,
> > Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If it is a 
32bit
> > router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right? 
> Maybe I missed
> > something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is there 
any
> > PROS and CONS between the two options?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Lizhong
> > 
> > 
> > "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/14 20:43:26:
> > 
> > > Hi Lizhong,
> > >
> > > FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is 
constructed).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Rajiv
> > >
> > > Sent from my Phone
> > >
> > > On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin" <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and
> > > remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-
> > > bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as the
> > > corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6? And
> > > we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at least
> > > currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is not
> > > necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Lizhong
> > >
> > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 3
> > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
> > > > From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> > > > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> > > > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,
> > > >    mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org,   pwe3@ietf.org, pwe3-
> > chairs@tools.ietf.org
> > > > Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
> > > >    draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03:   (with DISCUSS)
> > > > Message-ID: <20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > >
> > > > Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for
> > > > draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss
> > > >
> > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to 
all
> > > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut 
this
> > > > introductory paragraph, however.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-
> > criteria.html
> > > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > DISCUSS:
> > > > 
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> > > >
> > > > This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was 
not
> > > > taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed in 
their
> > > > document set and thus be more visible to readers looking for PW 
related
> > > > documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to get this to 
show on
> > > > with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally
> > reviewed
> > > > by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure 
that
> > > > this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW expertise.
> > > >
> > > > My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be 
defined
> > in
> > > > this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an opportunity 
to
> > > > retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition should be
> > > > removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should take 
place in
> > > > the PWE3 WG.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi Rajiv,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks for the clarification. The PW
FEC128 does not contain IP address in RFC4447. The peer PE address for
PW is locally configured, and is used to search the correct LDP session
to send the label mapping. Whether the peer PE address is routable or not,
if the PE could find the correct LDP session, then PW could be setup. So
I think it works in IPv6 if the peer PE address is a LDP router-id.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">However, in IPv6 field deployments,
there could be case to have a routable IPv6 address to configure the peer
PE, which is described in this reviewing draft. I am OK to define a new
TLV now.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">BTW, does that mean we also need to
update RFC5003 to update the 32bit prefix in AII type 2? Why don't we define
the address by the address family + address? In that case, we could save
much work.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Lizhong</font>
<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&quot;Rajiv Asati (rajiva)&quot; &lt;rajiva@cisco.com&gt;
wrote 2012/11/15 05:29:40:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Lizhong,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Good question. Here is the rationale - <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1) router-id, by definition, does not need to be a routable IP address.<br>
&gt; 2) router-id, by definition, has no label bound to it.<br>
&gt; 3) router-id may be different from the next-hop IP address for which<br>
&gt; the LSP is constructed. &nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If we put the above in the perspective, then RFC 4379 Section 3.2,
which says<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; //<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;An MPLS echo request MUST have a Target FEC Stack that
describes the<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;FEC Stack being tested.<br>
&gt; //<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Then, it implicitly discounts the router-id usage in Target FEC stack.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; Rajiv<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; &gt; From: Lizhong Jin [mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn]<br>
&gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:46 AM<br>
&gt; &gt; To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva)<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org;
mpls-<br>
&gt; &gt; chairs@tools.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
Stewart<br>
&gt; &gt; Bryant (stbryant)<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-<br>
&gt; &gt; ping-03: (with DISCUSS)<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Rajiv,<br>
&gt; &gt; Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If
it is a 32bit<br>
&gt; &gt; router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right?
<br>
&gt; Maybe I missed<br>
&gt; &gt; something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is
there any<br>
&gt; &gt; PROS and CONS between the two options?<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; &gt; Lizhong<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &quot;Rajiv Asati (rajiva)&quot; &lt;rajiva@cisco.com&gt; wrote
2012/11/14 20:43:26:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Lizhong,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is
constructed).<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Rajiv<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent from my Phone<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, &quot;Lizhong Jin&quot; &lt;lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender
and<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379
is 32-<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address
as the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in
LDPv6? And<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks
(at least<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it
is not<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; necessary to define IPv6 &quot;FEC 128/129&quot; Pseudowire
for LSP ping.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Lizhong<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Message: 3<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: &quot;Stewart Bryant&quot; &lt;stbryant@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: The IESG &lt;iesg@ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, &nbsp; pwe3@ietf.org,
pwe3-<br>
&gt; &gt; chairs@tools.ietf.org<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: &nbsp;
(with DISCUSS)<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Message-ID: &lt;20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position
for<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; When responding, please keep the subject line intact
and reply to all<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel
free to cut this<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; introductory paragraph, however.)<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-<br>
&gt; &gt; criteria.html<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT
positions.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; DISCUSS:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity
that it was not<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be
listed in their<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; document set and thus be more visible to readers looking
for PW related<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; documents. I am not sure whether it is possible to
get this to show on<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; with their doc set but it would be useful if it could.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; As far as I am able to determin, this document was
not formally<br>
&gt; &gt; reviewed<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus
to make sure that<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW
expertise.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures
should be defined<br>
&gt; &gt; in<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this draft, or whether this draft should be used as
an opportunity to<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6 definition
should be<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; removed from the draft. This is a discussion that should
take place in<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the PWE3 WG.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
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I love the Air. The thing that makes it so fast is the Flash "disk" as
opposed to a real spinning drive (a lot more reliable as well). Rebooting
takes like 10 seconds.

I've got the 13", but I see a lot of the 11" here at Verizon, at the IETF,
and elsewhere, it depends on whether you want to optimize on screen size or
portability and weight. Also if you need the SD card slot, that's only in
the larger model. You should go to the Apple store and see how you like the
two sizes. The keyboard is the same in both models.

On either one, the single option that makes the most difference is the
system RAM - you should max that out to 8GB. Best $100 you'll ever spend.

You don't need to buy the external optical drive - you can "take over" the
optical drive on your iMac or other Mac that has an optical drive. I also
have the USB optical drive on my desk at home that I'm really not using.
You were going to take it down with you at some point and I think we
forgot, but you can take it any time you want..

We can talk about this for the holidays/birthday.

Cheers,
Dad



On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Jon Malis <jdmalis@gmail.com> wrote:

> hey...
>
> so i know you just spent A LOT on me and the new apartment, so I dont want
> to go too crazy at all, but I'm definitely thinking it might be time for a
> new laptop. and the MBA is the way to go.
>
> I know you have one, and I think you love it, right? what setup/config
> would you suggest?
>
> let's chat on it. but maybe we could split it or something for the
> holidays... it seems like when fully tricked out they can get pretty bloody
> pricey...
>
> --jd

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I love the Air. The thing that makes it so fast is the Flash &quot;disk&quo=
t; as opposed to a real spinning drive (a lot more reliable as well). Reboo=
ting takes like 10 seconds.<br><br>I&#39;ve got the 13&quot;, but I see a l=
ot of the 11&quot; here at Verizon, at the IETF, and elsewhere, it depends =
on whether you want to optimize on screen size or portability and weight. A=
lso if you need the SD card slot, that&#39;s only in the larger model. You =
should go to the Apple store and see how you like the two sizes. The keyboa=
rd is the same in both models.<br>

<br>On either one, the single option that makes the most difference is the =
system RAM - you should max that out to 8GB. Best $100 you&#39;ll ever spen=
d.<br><br>You don&#39;t need to buy the external optical drive - you can &q=
uot;take over&quot; the optical drive on your iMac or other Mac that has an=
 optical drive. I also have the USB optical drive on my desk at home that I=
&#39;m really not using. You were going to take it down with you at some po=
int and I think we forgot, but you can take it any time you want..<br>

<br>We can talk about this for the holidays/birthday.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Dad=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Th=
u, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Jon Malis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jdmalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jdmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">hey...<br>
<br>
so i know you just spent A LOT on me and the new apartment, so I dont want =
to go too crazy at all, but I&#39;m definitely thinking it might be time fo=
r a new laptop. and the MBA is the way to go.<br>
<br>
I know you have one, and I think you love it, right? what setup/config woul=
d you suggest?<br>
<br>
let&#39;s chat on it. but maybe we could split it or something for the holi=
days... it seems like when fully tricked out they can get pretty bloody pri=
cey...<br>
<br>
--jd</blockquote></div><br></div>

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My apologies - a personal email leaked out to the pwe3 list. I didn't
notice it until it was too late.

Cheers,
Andy



On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love the Air. The thing that makes it so fast is the Flash "disk" as
> opposed to a real spinning drive (a lot more reliable as well). Rebooting
> takes like 10 seconds.
>
> I've got the 13", but I see a lot of the 11" here at Verizon, at the IETF,
> and elsewhere, it depends on whether you want to optimize on screen size or
> portability and weight. Also if you need the SD card slot, that's only in
> the larger model. You should go to the Apple store and see how you like the
> two sizes. The keyboard is the same in both models.
>
> On either one, the single option that makes the most difference is the
> system RAM - you should max that out to 8GB. Best $100 you'll ever spend.
>
> You don't need to buy the external optical drive - you can "take over" the
> optical drive on your iMac or other Mac that has an optical drive. I also
> have the USB optical drive on my desk at home that I'm really not using.
> You were going to take it down with you at some point and I think we
> forgot, but you can take it any time you want..
>
> We can talk about this for the holidays/birthday.
>
> Cheers,
> Dad
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Jon Malis <jdmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hey...
>>
>> so i know you just spent A LOT on me and the new apartment, so I dont
>> want to go too crazy at all, but I'm definitely thinking it might be time
>> for a new laptop. and the MBA is the way to go.
>>
>> I know you have one, and I think you love it, right? what setup/config
>> would you suggest?
>>
>> let's chat on it. but maybe we could split it or something for the
>> holidays... it seems like when fully tricked out they can get pretty bloody
>> pricey...
>>
>> --jd
>
>
>

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"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:=
41 PM, Andrew G. Malis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amalis@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">amalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I love the Air. The thing that makes it so f=
ast is the Flash &quot;disk&quot; as opposed to a real spinning drive (a lo=
t more reliable as well). Rebooting takes like 10 seconds.<br>

<br>I&#39;ve got the 13&quot;, but I see a lot of the 11&quot; here at Veri=
zon, at the IETF, and elsewhere, it depends on whether you want to optimize=
 on screen size or portability and weight. Also if you need the SD card slo=
t, that&#39;s only in the larger model. You should go to the Apple store an=
d see how you like the two sizes. The keyboard is the same in both models.<=
br>


<br>On either one, the single option that makes the most difference is the =
system RAM - you should max that out to 8GB. Best $100 you&#39;ll ever spen=
d.<br><br>You don&#39;t need to buy the external optical drive - you can &q=
uot;take over&quot; the optical drive on your iMac or other Mac that has an=
 optical drive. I also have the USB optical drive on my desk at home that I=
&#39;m really not using. You were going to take it down with you at some po=
int and I think we forgot, but you can take it any time you want..<br>


<br>We can talk about this for the holidays/birthday.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Dad=
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Jon Ma=
lis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jdmalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">jdmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">hey...<br>
<br>
so i know you just spent A LOT on me and the new apartment, so I dont want =
to go too crazy at all, but I&#39;m definitely thinking it might be time fo=
r a new laptop. and the MBA is the way to go.<br>
<br>
I know you have one, and I think you love it, right? what setup/config woul=
d you suggest?<br>
<br>
let&#39;s chat on it. but maybe we could split it or something for the holi=
days... it seems like when fully tricked out they can get pretty bloody pri=
cey...<br>
<br>
--jd</blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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Hi Lizhong,

> Thanks for the clarification. The PW FEC128 does not contain IP address i=
n
> RFC4447. The peer PE address for PW is locally configured, and is used to
> search the correct LDP session to send the label mapping. Whether the pee=
r
> PE address is routable or not, if the PE could find the correct LDP sessi=
on,
> then PW could be setup. So I think it works in IPv6 if the peer PE addres=
s is a
> LDP router-id.
> However, in IPv6 field deployments, there could be case to have a routabl=
e
> IPv6 address to configure the peer PE, which is described in this reviewi=
ng
> draft. I am OK to define a new TLV now.

We are in agreement. I think that it is the best way forward.

> BTW, does that mean we also need to update RFC5003 to update the 32bit
> prefix in AII type 2? Why don't we define the address by the address fami=
ly
> + address? In that case, we could save much work.

We don't need to update RFC5003, since it really treats the 32bit prefix in=
 AII type 2 as an entity that provides uniqueness in the network. So, this =
one can benefit from the router-id of the router (whether IPv4 or IPv6 loop=
back). Here is an excerpt -=20

//
        				, it is not required that
       the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
       space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
//


Cheers,
Rajiv


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lizhong Jin [mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:00 PM
> To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva); Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); aldrin.ietf@gmail.=
com
> Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; mpls-
> chairs@tools.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Stewart
> Bryant (stbryant)
> Subject: RE: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-l=
sp-
> ping-03: (with DISCUSS)
>=20
>=20
> Hi Rajiv,
> Thanks for the clarification. The PW FEC128 does not contain IP address i=
n
> RFC4447. The peer PE address for PW is locally configured, and is used to
> search the correct LDP session to send the label mapping. Whether the pee=
r
> PE address is routable or not, if the PE could find the correct LDP sessi=
on,
> then PW could be setup. So I think it works in IPv6 if the peer PE addres=
s is a
> LDP router-id.
> However, in IPv6 field deployments, there could be case to have a routabl=
e
> IPv6 address to configure the peer PE, which is described in this reviewi=
ng
> draft. I am OK to define a new TLV now.
>=20
> BTW, does that mean we also need to update RFC5003 to update the 32bit
> prefix in AII type 2? Why don't we define the address by the address fami=
ly
> + address? In that case, we could save much work.
>=20
> Lizhong
>=20
>=20
> "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/15 05:29:40:
>=20
> > Hi Lizhong,
> >
> > Good question. Here is the rationale -
> >
> > 1) router-id, by definition, does not need to be a routable IP address.
> > 2) router-id, by definition, has no label bound to it.
> > 3) router-id may be different from the next-hop IP address for which
> > the LSP is constructed.
> >
> > If we put the above in the perspective, then RFC 4379 Section 3.2,
> > which says
> >
> > //
> >    An MPLS echo request MUST have a Target FEC Stack that describes the
> >    FEC Stack being tested.
> > //
> >
> > Then, it implicitly discounts the router-id usage in Target FEC stack.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rajiv
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lizhong Jin [mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:46 AM
> > > To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
> > > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org;
> > > mpls- chairs@tools.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org;
> > > pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
> > > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
> > > draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-
> > > ping-03: (with DISCUSS)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Rajiv,
> > > Is there any technical reason why it must be an IP address? If it is
> > > a 32bit router-id, the PW ping in IPv6 network will still work, right=
?
> > Maybe I missed
> > > something, and would appreciate if you could point out, or is there
> > > any PROS and CONS between the two options?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Lizhong
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/14 20:43:26:
> > >
> > > > Hi Lizhong,
> > > >
> > > > FEC stack must encode an IP address (for which the LSP is construct=
ed).
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Rajiv
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Phone
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 AM, "Lizhong Jin"
> > > > <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I have a question to this draft, not objection. The sender and
> > > > remote PE address in PW target FEC stack defined in RFC4379 is 32-
> > > > bit long. I wonder if we could interpret this 32-bit address as
> > > > the corresponding LDP router-id which is also 32bit long in LDPv6?
> > > > And we will not define 128-bit LDP router-id in IPv6 networks (at
> > > > least currently not defined in MPLS WG). If that works, then it is
> > > > not necessary to define IPv6 "FEC 128/129" Pseudowire for LSP ping.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Lizhong
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 3
> > > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:16:57 -0800
> > > > > From: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> > > > > To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> > > > > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org,
> > > > >    mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org,   pwe3@ietf.org, pwe3-
> > > chairs@tools.ietf.org
> > > > > Subject: [PWE3] Stewart Bryant's Discuss on
> > > > >    draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03:   (with DISCUSS)
> > > > > Message-ID: <20121113091657.1863.41902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
> > > > >
> > > > > Stewart Bryant has entered the following ballot position for
> > > > > draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss
> > > > >
> > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply
> > > > > to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel
> > > > > free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-
> > > criteria.html
> > > > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > ------
> > > > > DISCUSS:
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > ------
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a pseudowire document and it is a great pity that it was
> > > > > not taken through the pseudowire WG so that it would be listed
> > > > > in their document set and thus be more visible to readers
> > > > > looking for PW related documents. I am not sure whether it is
> > > > > possible to get this to show on with their doc set but it would b=
e
> useful if it could.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I am able to determin, this document was not formally
> > > reviewed
> > > > > by the PWE3 WG, one purpose of this discuss is thus to make sure
> > > > > that this has been adequately reviewed by people with PW
> expertise.
> > > > >
> > > > > My second concern is whether FEC128 data structures should be
> > > > > defined
> > > in
> > > > > this draft, or whether this draft should be used as an
> > > > > opportunity to retire FEC128, in which case the FEC 128 IPv6
> > > > > definition should be removed from the draft. This is a
> > > > > discussion that should take place in the PWE3 WG.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >


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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5003,
"Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation".

--------------------------------------
You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5003&eid=3411

--------------------------------------
Type: Technical
Reported by: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>

Section: 3.2

Original Text
-------------

     o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider or
       it can be automatically derived from the PE's /32 IPv4 loopback
       address.  Note that, for IP reachability, it is not required that
       the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
       space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.


Corrected Text
--------------

     o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider or
       it can be automatically derived from the PE's router-id i.e. LSR Id.
       Note that it is not required that
       the 32-bit prefix is IP routable or have any association with the 
       IPv4 address space used in the provider's IGP or BGP. 


Notes
-----
The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix as a number that provides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it can be derived from the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes confusion when routers are configured with no IPv4. It is better to suggest using router-id used by LDP for calculating the LSR identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside the scope of this document.`

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RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)
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Title               : Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation
Publication Date    : September 2007
Author(s)           : C. Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT
Area                : Internet
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG

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RFC Editor,

I propose to reject this Errata.
There is no technical merit in changing the example on how one might
possibly choose the 32bit number.
This is a NIT , and does not affect implementations, nor service
provider policies.
the text "Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider
" is the main definition of how this 32 bit value is to be assigned.

Luca


Is the main point of this
On 11/15/2012 01:09 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5003,
> "Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5003&eid=3411
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>
> Section: 3.2
>
> Original Text
> -------------
>
>
>      o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider or
>
>        it can be automatically derived from the PE's /32 IPv4 loopback
>
>        address.  Note that, for IP reachability, it is not required that
>
>        the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
>
>        space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>
>
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>
>
>      o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider or
>
>        it can be automatically derived from the PE's router-id i.e. LSR Id.
>
>        Note that it is not required that
>
>        the 32-bit prefix is IP routable or have any association with the 
>
>        IPv4 address space used in the provider's IGP or BGP. 
>
>
>
> Notes
> -----
> The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix as a number that provides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it can be derived from the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes confusion when routers are configured with no IPv4. It is better to suggest using router-id used by LDP for calculating the LSR identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside the scope of this document.`
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> --------------------------------------
> RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation
> Publication Date    : September 2007
> Author(s)           : C. Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT
> Area                : Internet
> Stream              : IETF
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I have no issues with marking this erratum as rejected.  Are there other 
opinions?

Regards,
Brian

On 11/15/12 9:28 PM, Luca Martini wrote:
> RFC Editor,
>
> I propose to reject this Errata.
> There is no technical merit in changing the example on how one might
> possibly choose the 32bit number.
> This is a NIT , and does not affect implementations, nor service
> provider policies.
> the text "Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider
> " is the main definition of how this 32 bit value is to be assigned.
>
> Luca
>
>
> Is the main point of this
> On 11/15/2012 01:09 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:
>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5003,
>> "Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation".
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> You may review the report below and at:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5003&eid=3411
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> Type: Technical
>> Reported by: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>>
>> Section: 3.2
>>
>> Original Text
>> -------------
>>
>>
>>       o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider or
>>
>>         it can be automatically derived from the PE's /32 IPv4 loopback
>>
>>         address.  Note that, for IP reachability, it is not required that
>>
>>         the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
>>
>>         space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>
>>
>>
>> Corrected Text
>> --------------
>>
>>
>>       o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider or
>>
>>         it can be automatically derived from the PE's router-id i.e. LSR Id.
>>
>>         Note that it is not required that
>>
>>         the 32-bit prefix is IP routable or have any association with the
>>
>>         IPv4 address space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes
>> -----
>> The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix as a number that provides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it can be derived from the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes confusion when routers are configured with no IPv4. It is better to suggest using router-id used by LDP for calculating the LSR identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside the scope of this document.`
>>
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>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)
>> --------------------------------------
>> Title               : Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation
>> Publication Date    : September 2007
>> Author(s)           : C. Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto
>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>> Source              : Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT
>> Area                : Internet
>> Stream              : IETF
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The issue is the inclusion of IPv4 in that definition, which many implement=
ations could swear by. You would be surprised to find most implementations =
simply copying IPv4 address here, because it is easy and automatic.=20

In fact, I am not aware of any implementation that provides a mean to stati=
cally assign this 32-bit prefix to something other than IPv4 interface addr=
ess.

Imagine an IPv6-only network, where the current definition would require ma=
ny implementations to change, and force operators to do more manually assig=
nments than needed.

So, router-id has to be manually configured, and then this 32-bit prefix ha=
s to be manually configured.

Such definition does not help when IPv6 PSN comes along. Wouldn't it be nic=
e if the spec provided an automatic way, yet, stayed away from IP version h=
ere. A bit of definition change (cosmetic really) could go a long way in ke=
eping our specs clear.=20

Cheers,
Rajiv

Sent from my Phone

On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:16 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net> wr=
ote:

> I have no issues with marking this erratum as rejected.  Are there other =
opinions?
>=20
> Regards,
> Brian
>=20
> On 11/15/12 9:28 PM, Luca Martini wrote:
>> RFC Editor,
>>=20
>> I propose to reject this Errata.
>> There is no technical merit in changing the example on how one might
>> possibly choose the 32bit number.
>> This is a NIT , and does not affect implementations, nor service
>> provider policies.
>> the text "Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provid=
er
>> " is the main definition of how this 32 bit value is to be assigned.
>>=20
>> Luca
>>=20
>>=20
>> Is the main point of this
>> On 11/15/2012 01:09 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:
>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5003,
>>> "Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation".
>>>=20
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> You may review the report below and at:
>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5003&eid=3D3411
>>>=20
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Type: Technical
>>> Reported by: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>>>=20
>>> Section: 3.2
>>>=20
>>> Original Text
>>> -------------
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>      o Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider=
 or
>>>=20
>>>        it can be automatically derived from the PE's /32 IPv4 loopback
>>>=20
>>>        address.  Note that, for IP reachability, it is not required tha=
t
>>>=20
>>>        the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
>>>=20
>>>        space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Corrected Text
>>> --------------
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>      o Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider=
 or
>>>=20
>>>        it can be automatically derived from the PE's router-id i.e. LSR=
 Id.
>>>=20
>>>        Note that it is not required that
>>>=20
>>>        the 32-bit prefix is IP routable or have any association with th=
e
>>>=20
>>>        IPv4 address space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Notes
>>> -----
>>> The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix as a number that pr=
ovides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it can be derived =
from the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes confusion when routers are co=
nfigured with no IPv4. It is better to suggest using router-id used by LDP =
for calculating the LSR identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside =
the scope of this document.`
>>>=20
>>> Instructions:
>>> -------------
>>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
>>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>>>=20
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Title               : Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for =
Aggregation
>>> Publication Date    : September 2007
>>> Author(s)           : C. Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto
>>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>>> Source              : Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT
>>> Area                : Internet
>>> Stream              : IETF
>>> Verifying Party     : IESG
>=20

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I agree with Luca that it is a nit,=20
and the existing text doesn't say that one MUST use the loopback address if=
 not configured.

On the other hand the text is there to provide guidance,
and as such should help implementers that don't want to statically assign.

I think the proper classification is "Hold for Document Update", since that=
 is how nits of this sort are usually handled.
Luca - note that that the guidelines say that this merely means that=20
"any future update of the document might consider this erratum, and determi=
ne whether it is correct and merits including in the update".

Y(J)S


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Subject: Re: [PWE3] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5003 (3411)

I have no issues with marking this erratum as rejected.  Are there other=20
opinions?

Regards,
Brian

On 11/15/12 9:28 PM, Luca Martini wrote:
> RFC Editor,
>
> I propose to reject this Errata.
> There is no technical merit in changing the example on how one might
> possibly choose the 32bit number.
> This is a NIT , and does not affect implementations, nor service
> provider policies.
> the text "Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provide=
r
> " is the main definition of how this 32 bit value is to be assigned.
>
> Luca
>
>
> Is the main point of this
> On 11/15/2012 01:09 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:
>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5003,
>> "Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation".
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> You may review the report below and at:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5003&eid=3D3411
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> Type: Technical
>> Reported by: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>>
>> Section: 3.2
>>
>> Original Text
>> -------------
>>
>>
>>       o Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider=
 or
>>
>>         it can be automatically derived from the PE's /32 IPv4 loopback
>>
>>         address.  Note that, for IP reachability, it is not required tha=
t
>>
>>         the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
>>
>>         space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>
>>
>>
>> Corrected Text
>> --------------
>>
>>
>>       o Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider=
 or
>>
>>         it can be automatically derived from the PE's router-id i.e. LSR=
 Id.
>>
>>         Note that it is not required that
>>
>>         the 32-bit prefix is IP routable or have any association with th=
e
>>
>>         IPv4 address space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes
>> -----
>> The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix as a number that pro=
vides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it can be derived f=
rom the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes confusion when routers are con=
figured with no IPv4. It is better to suggest using router-id used by LDP f=
or calculating the LSR identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside t=
he scope of this document.`
>>
>> Instructions:
>> -------------
>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)
>> --------------------------------------
>> Title               : Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for A=
ggregation
>> Publication Date    : September 2007
>> Author(s)           : C. Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto
>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>> Source              : Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT
>> Area                : Internet
>> Stream              : IETF
>> Verifying Party     : IESG

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To me, the inclusion of an IPv4 address (/32 loopback) is one example and n=
ot part of the definition. As such I am not too concern about it since the =
definition piece is "32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider". Th=
at said, the example might be incorrectly extrapolated and not help clarify=
.

Consequently, I support Yaakov's proposed disposition of "Hold for Document=
 Update". As a technical erratum it should be rejected, as an editorial it =
should be clarified.

Thanks,

-- Carlos.


On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote:

> The issue is the inclusion of IPv4 in that definition, which many impleme=
ntations could swear by. You would be surprised to find most implementation=
s simply copying IPv4 address here, because it is easy and automatic.=20
>=20
> In fact, I am not aware of any implementation that provides a mean to sta=
tically assign this 32-bit prefix to something other than IPv4 interface ad=
dress.
>=20
> Imagine an IPv6-only network, where the current definition would require =
many implementations to change, and force operators to do more manually ass=
ignments than needed.
>=20
> So, router-id has to be manually configured, and then this 32-bit prefix =
has to be manually configured.
>=20
> Such definition does not help when IPv6 PSN comes along. Wouldn't it be n=
ice if the spec provided an automatic way, yet, stayed away from IP version=
 here. A bit of definition change (cosmetic really) could go a long way in =
keeping our specs clear.=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Rajiv
>=20
> Sent from my Phone
>=20
> On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:16 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net> =
wrote:
>=20
>> I have no issues with marking this erratum as rejected.  Are there other=
 opinions?
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>>=20
>> On 11/15/12 9:28 PM, Luca Martini wrote:
>>> RFC Editor,
>>>=20
>>> I propose to reject this Errata.
>>> There is no technical merit in changing the example on how one might
>>> possibly choose the 32bit number.
>>> This is a NIT , and does not affect implementations, nor service
>>> provider policies.
>>> the text "Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provi=
der
>>> " is the main definition of how this 32 bit value is to be assigned.
>>>=20
>>> Luca
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Is the main point of this
>>> On 11/15/2012 01:09 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:
>>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5003,
>>>> "Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation".
>>>>=20
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> You may review the report below and at:
>>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5003&eid=3D3411
>>>>=20
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> Type: Technical
>>>> Reported by: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>>>>=20
>>>> Section: 3.2
>>>>=20
>>>> Original Text
>>>> -------------
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>     o Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider=
 or
>>>>=20
>>>>       it can be automatically derived from the PE's /32 IPv4 loopback
>>>>=20
>>>>       address.  Note that, for IP reachability, it is not required tha=
t
>>>>=20
>>>>       the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
>>>>=20
>>>>       space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Corrected Text
>>>> --------------
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>     o Prefix =3D The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the provider=
 or
>>>>=20
>>>>       it can be automatically derived from the PE's router-id i.e. LSR=
 Id.
>>>>=20
>>>>       Note that it is not required that
>>>>=20
>>>>       the 32-bit prefix is IP routable or have any association with th=
e
>>>>=20
>>>>       IPv4 address space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Notes
>>>> -----
>>>> The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix as a number that p=
rovides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it can be derived=
 from the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes confusion when routers are c=
onfigured with no IPv4. It is better to suggest using router-id used by LDP=
 for calculating the LSR identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside=
 the scope of this document.`
>>>>=20
>>>> Instructions:
>>>> -------------
>>>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
>>>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
>>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
>>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>>>>=20
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> Title               : Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for=
 Aggregation
>>>> Publication Date    : September 2007
>>>> Author(s)           : C. Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto
>>>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>>>> Source              : Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT
>>>> Area                : Internet
>>>> Stream              : IETF
>>>> Verifying Party     : IESG
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Hi all,
There is an aggregation scheme for AII PW routing defined in 
[draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw]. In a pure IPv6 network, the 32bit address 
would LDP Router-id, and could not be aggregated. If we still use the 
32bit number in an IPv6 network, there would be less or no aggregation for 
AII type2 PW routing entries. I even doubt if the longest match for PW 
routing table lookup is still needed in IPv6 network. This is also an 
concern for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw.

Thanks
Lizhong


> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:17:59 +0000
> From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
> To: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com>
> Cc: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>,   "Chris Metz \(chmetz\)"
>    <chmetz@cisco.com>,   "Luca Martini \(lmartini\)" 
<lmartini@cisco.com>,
>    "florin.balus@alcatel-lucent.com" <florin.balus@alcatel-lucent.com>,
>    "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>,   "rdroms.ietf@gmail.com"
>    <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>,   "sugimoto@nortel.com" 
<sugimoto@nortel.com>,
>    "andrew.g.malis@verizon.com" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5003 (3411)
> Message-ID:
>    <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED320DBD2A7@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> To me, the inclusion of an IPv4 address (/32 loopback) is one 
> example and not part of the definition. As such I am not too concern
> about it since the definition piece is "32-bit prefix is a value 
> assigned by the provider". That said, the example might be 
> incorrectly extrapolated and not help clarify.
> 
> Consequently, I support Yaakov's proposed disposition of "Hold for 
> Document Update". As a technical erratum it should be rejected, as 
> an editorial it should be clarified.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Carlos.
> 
> 
> On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <rajiva@cisco.com> 
wrote:
> 
> > The issue is the inclusion of IPv4 in that definition, which many 
> implementations could swear by. You would be surprised to find most 
> implementations simply copying IPv4 address here, because it is easy
> and automatic. 
> > 
> > In fact, I am not aware of any implementation that provides a mean
> to statically assign this 32-bit prefix to something other than IPv4
> interface address.
> > 
> > Imagine an IPv6-only network, where the current definition would 
> require many implementations to change, and force operators to do 
> more manually assignments than needed.
> > 
> > So, router-id has to be manually configured, and then this 32-bit 
> prefix has to be manually configured.
> > 
> > Such definition does not help when IPv6 PSN comes along. Wouldn't 
> it be nice if the spec provided an automatic way, yet, stayed away 
> from IP version here. A bit of definition change (cosmetic really) 
> could go a long way in keeping our specs clear. 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Rajiv
> > 
> > Sent from my Phone
> > 
> > On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:16 AM, "Brian Haberman" 
> <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> I have no issues with marking this erratum as rejected.  Are 
> there other opinions?
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Brian
> >> 
> >> On 11/15/12 9:28 PM, Luca Martini wrote:
> >>> RFC Editor,
> >>> 
> >>> I propose to reject this Errata.
> >>> There is no technical merit in changing the example on how one might
> >>> possibly choose the 32bit number.
> >>> This is a NIT , and does not affect implementations, nor service
> >>> provider policies.
> >>> the text "Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the 
provider
> >>> " is the main definition of how this 32 bit value is to be assigned.
> >>> 
> >>> Luca
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Is the main point of this
> >>> On 11/15/2012 01:09 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:
> >>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5003,
> >>>> "Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types for Aggregation".
> >>>> 
> >>>> --------------------------------------
> >>>> You may review the report below and at:
> >>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5003&eid=3411
> >>>> 
> >>>> --------------------------------------
> >>>> Type: Technical
> >>>> Reported by: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
> >>>> 
> >>>> Section: 3.2
> >>>> 
> >>>> Original Text
> >>>> -------------
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>     o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the 
provider or
> >>>> 
> >>>>       it can be automatically derived from the PE's /32 IPv4 
loopback
> >>>> 
> >>>>       address.  Note that, for IP reachability, it is not required 
that
> >>>> 
> >>>>       the 32-bit prefix have any association with the IPv4 address
> >>>> 
> >>>>       space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Corrected Text
> >>>> --------------
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>     o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value assigned by the 
provider or
> >>>> 
> >>>>       it can be automatically derived from the PE's router-id 
> i.e. LSR Id.
> >>>> 
> >>>>       Note that it is not required that
> >>>> 
> >>>>       the 32-bit prefix is IP routable or have any association with 
the
> >>>> 
> >>>>       IPv4 address space used in the provider's IGP or BGP.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Notes
> >>>> -----
> >>>> The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix as a number
> that provides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it 
> can be derived from the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes 
> confusion when routers are configured with no IPv4. It is better to 
> suggest using router-id used by LDP for calculating the LSR 
> identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside the scope of 
thisdocument.`
> >>>> 
> >>>> Instructions:
> >>>> -------------
> >>>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
> >>>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
> >>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
> >>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
> >>>> 
> >>>> --------------------------------------
> >>>> RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)
> >>>> --------------------------------------
> >>>> Title               : Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) 
> Types for Aggregation
> >>>> Publication Date    : September 2007
> >>>> Author(s)           : C. Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto
> >>>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> >>>> Source              : Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT
> >>>> Area                : Internet
> >>>> Stream              : IETF
> >>>> Verifying Party     : IESG
> >> 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > pwe3@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3
> > 
> 
> 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi all,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">There is an aggregation scheme for AII
PW routing defined in [draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw]. In a pure IPv6 network,
the 32bit address would LDP Router-id, and could not be aggregated. If
we still use the 32bit number in an IPv6 network, there would be less or
no aggregation for AII type2 PW routing entries. I even doubt if the longest
match for PW routing table lookup is still needed in IPv6 network. This
is also an concern for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Lizhong</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Message: 2<br>
&gt; Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:17:59 +0000<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)&quot; &lt;cpignata@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; To: &quot;Rajiv Asati (rajiva)&quot; &lt;rajiva@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: Brian Haberman &lt;brian@innovationslab.net&gt;, &nbsp; &quot;Chris
Metz \(chmetz\)&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;chmetz@cisco.com&gt;, &nbsp; &quot;Luca Martini \(lmartini\)&quot;
&lt;lmartini@cisco.com&gt;,<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;florin.balus@alcatel-lucent.com&quot; &lt;florin.balus@alcatel-lucent.com&gt;,<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;pwe3@ietf.org&quot; &lt;pwe3@ietf.org&gt;, &nbsp;
&quot;rdroms.ietf@gmail.com&quot;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;rdroms.ietf@gmail.com&gt;, &nbsp; &quot;sugimoto@nortel.com&quot;
&lt;sugimoto@nortel.com&gt;,<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&quot; &lt;andrew.g.malis@verizon.com&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5003 (3411)<br>
&gt; Message-ID:<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED320DBD2A7@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;us-ascii&quot;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; To me, the inclusion of an IPv4 address (/32 loopback) is one <br>
&gt; example and not part of the definition. As such I am not too concern<br>
&gt; about it since the definition piece is &quot;32-bit prefix is a value
<br>
&gt; assigned by the provider&quot;. That said, the example might be <br>
&gt; incorrectly extrapolated and not help clarify.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Consequently, I support Yaakov's proposed disposition of &quot;Hold
for <br>
&gt; Document Update&quot;. As a technical erratum it should be rejected,
as <br>
&gt; an editorial it should be clarified.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- Carlos.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) &lt;rajiva@cisco.com&gt;
wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; The issue is the inclusion of IPv4 in that definition, which
many <br>
&gt; implementations could swear by. You would be surprised to find most
<br>
&gt; implementations simply copying IPv4 address here, because it is easy<br>
&gt; and automatic. <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; In fact, I am not aware of any implementation that provides a
mean<br>
&gt; to statically assign this 32-bit prefix to something other than IPv4<br>
&gt; interface address.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Imagine an IPv6-only network, where the current definition would
<br>
&gt; require many implementations to change, and force operators to do
<br>
&gt; more manually assignments than needed.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; So, router-id has to be manually configured, and then this 32-bit
<br>
&gt; prefix has to be manually configured.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Such definition does not help when IPv6 PSN comes along. Wouldn't
<br>
&gt; it be nice if the spec provided an automatic way, yet, stayed away
<br>
&gt; from IP version here. A bit of definition change (cosmetic really)
<br>
&gt; could go a long way in keeping our specs clear. <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; &gt; Rajiv<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Sent from my Phone<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:16 AM, &quot;Brian Haberman&quot; <br>
&gt; &lt;brian@innovationslab.net&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I have no issues with marking this erratum as rejected. &nbsp;Are
<br>
&gt; there other opinions?<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Brian<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; On 11/15/12 9:28 PM, Luca Martini wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; RFC Editor,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I propose to reject this Errata.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; There is no technical merit in changing the example on
how one might<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; possibly choose the 32bit number.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This is a NIT , and does not affect implementations,
nor service<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; provider policies.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the text &quot;Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value
assigned by the provider<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &quot; is the main definition of how this 32 bit value
is to be assigned.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Luca<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Is the main point of this<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On 11/15/2012 01:09 PM, RFC Errata System wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The following errata report has been submitted for
RFC5003,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) Types
for Aggregation&quot;.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You may review the report below and at:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5003&amp;eid=3411<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Type: Technical<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Reported by: Rajiv Asati &lt;rajiva@cisco.com&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Section: 3.2<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Original Text<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -------------<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value
assigned by the provider or<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; it can be automatically derived
from the PE's /32 IPv4 loopback<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; address. &nbsp;Note that, for
IP reachability, it is not required that<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the 32-bit prefix have any association
with the IPv4 address<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; space used in the provider's
IGP or BGP.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Corrected Text<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --------------<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; o Prefix = The 32-bit prefix is a value
assigned by the provider or<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; it can be automatically derived
from the PE's router-id <br>
&gt; i.e. LSR Id.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Note that it is not required
that<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the 32-bit prefix is IP routable
or have any association with the<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; IPv4 address space used in the
provider's IGP or BGP.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Notes<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -----<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The intent of this RFC is to treat the 32bit prefix
as a number<br>
&gt; that provides uniqueness in the network (within the ASN). While it
<br>
&gt; can be derived from the IPv4 /32 Loopback address, it causes <br>
&gt; confusion when routers are configured with no IPv4. It is better to
<br>
&gt; suggest using router-id used by LDP for calculating the LSR <br>
&gt; identifier. How is router-id calculated is outside the scope of thisdocument.`<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Instructions:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -------------<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This errata is currently posted as &quot;Reported&quot;.
If necessary, please<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; use &quot;Reply All&quot; to discuss whether it should
be verified or<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying
party (IESG)<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; can log in to change the status and edit the report,
if necessary.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; RFC5003 (draft-ietf-pwe3-aii-aggregate-02)<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Title &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
: Attachment Individual Identifier (AII) <br>
&gt; Types for Aggregation<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Publication Date &nbsp; &nbsp;: September 2007<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Author(s) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; : C.
Metz, L. Martini, F. Balus, J. Sugimoto<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Category &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;:
PROPOSED STANDARD<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Source &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;: Pseudo Wire Emulation Edge to Edge INT<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Area &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;: Internet<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Stream &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;: IETF<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Verifying Party &nbsp; &nbsp; : IESG<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; pwe3 mailing list<br>
&gt; &gt; pwe3@ietf.org<br>
&gt; &gt; https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; pwe3 mailing list<br>
&gt; pwe3@ietf.org<br>
&gt; https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; End of pwe3 Digest, Vol 103, Issue 20<br>
&gt; *************************************<br>
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This working group last call is not closed. I did not see any comments, so =
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er the normal process.

Regards

Matthew

On 11/11/2012 19:43, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" <matthew.bocci@alcatel-luce=
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The MPLS working group recently concluded a working group last call on wg l=
ast last call on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01. Since this draft also de=
fines MIB entries relevant to pseudowires, we have decided to run a short w=
orking group last call in PWE3 as well.

Please review the draft and post any comments to the list.

This working group last call finishes on Monday 19th November 2012.

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WG,

Unfortunately there was a typo in this email. This should of course read th=
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Apologies for any confusion.

Regards

Matthew

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This working group last call is not closed. I did not see any comments, so =
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er the normal process.

Regards

Matthew

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nt.com<mailto:matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:

The MPLS working group recently concluded a working group last call on wg l=
ast last call on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01. Since this draft also de=
fines MIB entries relevant to pseudowires, we have decided to run a short w=
orking group last call in PWE3 as well.

Please review the draft and post any comments to the list.

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iv>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew</div><div><br></div><span id=3D=
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hew)" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com">matthew.bocci=
@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote id=
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he MPLS working group recently concluded a working group last call on&nbsp;=
wg last last call on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01. Since this draft als=
o defines MIB entries relevant to pseudowires, we have decided to run a sho=
rt working group last call in PWE3
 as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Please review the draft and post any com=
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nishes on Monday 19th November 2012.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>=
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Working Group,

the working group last call in PWE3 and the MPLS working groups has
now been closed.

We had comments from both the working group and from the MID doctor
review could the authors please address the comments, make sure that
the people making the comments are happy with the resolution and
re-publish a new version of the document!

/Loa
(for the mpls wg co-chairs)

On 2012-11-09 18:15, Loa Andersson wrote:
> PWE3 Working Group,
> -------------------
>
> this is to start a one week PWE3 working group last call on
> draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01.
>
> Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing
> list (mpls@ietf.org), yes it is the mpls wg mailing list that
> is intended. Any practical problems with this, please send the mail
> to me and I will forward it.
>
> Please send both technical comments, and if you are happy with the
> document as is also indications of support.
>
> This working group last call will end on November 17.
>
> MPLS Working Group,
> -------------------
>
> when we started the working last call for  draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-
> id-mib-01 we forgot to include the pwe3 working in this wglc.
>
> The chairs of the two groups discussed this and agreed to start a 1 week
> working group last call in the PWEe working group; "after"
> the IETF meeting in Atlanta. This mail starts this wglc.
>
> Since we want the PWE3 and MPLS WG comment on the same version of the
> draft, we will leave the MPLS wg last call open until we close the
> wglc in PWE3.
>
> /Loa
> for all the co-chairs
>
>
> On 2012-10-12 15:52, Loa Andersson wrote:
>> Working Group,
>>
>> this is to start a two week working group last call on
>> draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01.
>>
>> Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing
>> list (mpls@ietf.org).
>>
>> Please send both technical comments, and if you are happy with the
>> document as is also indications of support.
>>
>> This working group last call will end on October 28.
>>
>> /Loa
>> for the wg co-chairs
>

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PWE3ers,

There's been no discussion on the list of this draft since it was last
updated in August. Could you all please read it and post comments?

Thanks,
Andy and Matthew


On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:18 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>  This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge
> Working Group of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Label Distribution Protocol Extensions for
> Proactive Operations, Administration and Maintenance Configuration of
> Dynamic MPLS Transport Profile PseudoWire
>         Author(s)       : Fei Zhang
>                           Bo Wu
>                           Elisa Bellagamba
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config-01.txt
>         Pages           : 22
>         Date            : 2012-08-24
>
> Abstract:
>    This document specifies extensions to the Label Distribution Protocol
>    (LDP) to configure and control proactive Operations, Adminstration
>    and Maintenance (OAM) functions, suitable for dynamic Single-Segment
>    PseudoWire (SS-PW) and Multi-Segment PseudoWire (MS-PW).
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config-01
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config-01
>
>
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PWE3ers,<br><br>There&#39;s been no discussion on the list of this draft si=
nce it was last updated in August. Could you all please read it and post co=
mments?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Andy and Matthew<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:18 AM,  <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">

<br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
=A0This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge Worki=
ng Group of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Label Distribution Protocol Ext=
ensions for Proactive Operations, Administration and Maintenance Configurat=
ion of Dynamic MPLS Transport Profile PseudoWire<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Fei Zhang<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Bo Wu<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Elisa Bellagamba<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config-01.txt=
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 22<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2012-08-24<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=A0 =A0This document specifies extensions to the Label Distribution Protoco=
l<br>
=A0 =A0(LDP) to configure and control proactive Operations, Adminstration<b=
r>
=A0 =A0and Maintenance (OAM) functions, suitable for dynamic Single-Segment=
<br>
=A0 =A0PseudoWire (SS-PW) and Multi-Segment PseudoWire (MS-PW).<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config<=
/a><br>
<br>
There&#39;s also a htmlized version available at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config-01" target=
=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config-01</a><br=
>
<br>
A diff from the previous version is available at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pwe3-oam-config-01=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pwe3-oam-=
config-01</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp=
.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</a><br>
<br>
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WG,

Further to this, I should clarify that the PWE3 WG last call has closed.

Regards

Matthew

On 20/11/2012 15:08, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" <matthew.bocci@alcatel-luce=
nt.com<mailto:matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:

WG,

Unfortunately there was a typo in this email. This should of course read th=
at the MPLS WG chairs should be able to proceed as normal.

Apologies for any confusion.

Regards

Matthew

On 20/11/2012 14:21, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" <matthew.bocci@alcatel-luce=
nt.com<mailto:matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:

This working group last call is not closed. I did not see any comments, so =
I suggest that the MPLS should not be able to proceed with publication as p=
er the normal process.

Regards

Matthew

On 11/11/2012 19:43, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" <matthew.bocci@alcatel-luce=
nt.com<mailto:matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:

The MPLS working group recently concluded a working group last call on wg l=
ast last call on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01. Since this draft also de=
fines MIB entries relevant to pseudowires, we have decided to run a short w=
orking group last call in PWE3 as well.

Please review the draft and post any comments to the list.

This working group last call finishes on Monday 19th November 2012.

Regards

Matthew and Andy

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ze: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>WG,</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Further to this, I should clarify that the PWE3 WG last call <b>has</b=
> closed.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew=
</div><div><br></div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><div>On 20/11/2=
012 15:08, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matthew.bocci@a=
lcatel-lucent.com">matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div></d=
iv><div><br></div><blockquote id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" sty=
le=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div>=
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reak: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>WG,</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately the=
re was a typo in this email. This should of course read that the MPLS WG ch=
airs
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">should</span> be able to proceed as nor=
mal.</div><div><br></div><div>Apologies for any confusion.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew</div><div><br></div><span=
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 (Matthew)" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com">matthew=
.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div></div><div><br></div><blockqu=
ote id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df=
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reak-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;=
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<div>This working group last call is not closed. I did not see any comments=
, so I suggest that the MPLS should not be able to proceed with publication=
 as per the normal process.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Matthew</div><div><br></div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><d=
iv><div>On 11/11/2012 19:43, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com">matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTI=
ON_BLOCKQUOTE" style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARG=
IN:0 0 0 5;"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: s=
pace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size=
: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>The MPLS working group rec=
ently concluded a working group last call on&nbsp;wg last last call on draf=
t-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-01. Since this draft also defines MIB entries rel=
evant to pseudowires, we have decided to run a short working group last cal=
l in PWE3
 as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Please review the draft and post any com=
ments to the list.</div><div><br></div><div>This working group last call fi=
nishes on Monday 19th November 2012.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Matthew and Andy</div></div></div></blockquote></span><=
/div></div></blockquote></span></div></div></blockquote></span></body></htm=
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PWEers,

Speaking as WG co-chair, I think it's time to call this question, and I
like the new approach along the lines discussed by Samer and Lizhong as a
way to move forward.  Please reply if you have a strong opinion either
agreeing, or preferring to keep the ICCP draft as is. Note that the absence
of strong opinions will be interpreted as agreeing to change the draft.
Also note that Matthew is recused from determining consensus because he's a
co-author, but he's free to reply on the list as an author rather than as a
co-chair. I'll keep this open for a week to give people something to mull
over while they digest their turkey. :-)

Thanks,
Andy

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Lizhong Jin <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn> wrote=
:

>
> OK, then "brings down the port towards the CE" is different with "sending
> a message to the dual-homed device" in the patent. Actually, how to trigg=
er
> CE to switch to the secondary PE could be implementation specific (e.g, b=
y
> Eth OAM), and this draft could only focus on the interaction between two
> PEs. Anyway, I am OK with the second option you provided. And say the CE
> triggering is implementation specific, but could provide some examples,
> e.g, port down, or adjust priority.
> This is my personal idea, thanks.
>
> Lizhong
>
>
> "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/15 11:43:34:
>
> > Hi Lizhong,
> >
> > Essentially, the PE which encounters the core-isolation failure
> > brings down the port towards the CE (e.g. by bringing down the line-
> > protocol or disabling the Tx laser). This will cause the CE to fail-
> > over to the other member link of the bundle. In terms of fail-over
> > time, this is comparable to relying on LACP to bring down the Port
> > Priority on the failed PE. However, for reversion after recovery
> > from failure, this scheme will take slightly more time compared to
> > the LACP approach, since the LACP hand-shake needs to be traversed
> > in order to restore traffic to the recovering PE. That said, it is
> > possible for implementations to minimize the reversion time by
> > having the CE control the maximum links per bundle policy, since in
> > this later case the CE continues to send traffic to the secondary PE
> > until the link to the recovering PE is ready to join the bundle =A8C at
> > that point that link pre-empts the link to the secondary PE.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Samer
> >
> > From: Lizhong Jin <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:13 AM
> > To: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com>
> > Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "yaakov_s@rad.com" <
> yaakov_s@rad.com>, "
> > adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "andrew.g.malis@verizon.com=
"
> <
> > andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" <
> > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>, "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <
> > stbryant@cisco.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> >
> >
> > Hi Samer,
> > Could you provide more technical detail about the one without IPR? I
> > must miss something in this discussion.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lizhong
> >
> >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:42:55 +0000
> > > From: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com>
> > > To: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk"
> > >    <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "'Andrew G. Malis'"
> > >    <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>,   "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>,
> > >    "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org"
> > >    <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
> > > Cc: "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" <stbryant@cisco.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> > >    draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> > > Message-ID:
> > >    <8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90D7C1982@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"windows-1252"
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure
> > > were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the
> > > IPR and one with. The current draft only captures the latter because
> > > it offers better reversion time characteristics (note that failover
> > > protection time is comparable for both, it is primarily the
> > > reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approval
> > > of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:
> > >
> > > 1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
> > > 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Samer
> > >
> > > From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
> > > To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <
> adrian@olddog.co.uk<
> > > mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.
> > malis@verizon.com<
> > > mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>, "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:
> pwe3@ietf.org
> > > >" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-
> > > iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>"
> > > <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
> > > iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
> > > Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:
> > stbryant@cisco.com
> > > >>
> > > Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> > > Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
> > > Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>>,
> > > <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, <satoru.
> > > matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:
> satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp
> > > >>, <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
> > > Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
> > >
> > > Adrian,
> > >
> > > I support removal of the procedure.
> > >
> > > Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an
> > > implementation to be compliant with an RFC.
> > >
> > > Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it
> > > is part of the IETF's definition
> > > of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that
> > > option the IPR becomes essential.
> > > This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a
> > > described procedure.
> > >
> > > I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the
> > procedure as well,
> > > as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted)
> > > being ruled unenforceable.
> > >
> > > Y(J)S
> > >
> > >
> > > From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:
> > > pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
> > > To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:
> > > pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-
> > > ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
> > > Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
> > > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Samer said:
> > >
> > > > the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an
> > > optional procedure for a specific error scenario.
> > >
> > > That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another
> > > way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to
> > > remove the optional procedure.
> > >
> > > What do people think?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Adrian
> > >
> > > From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:
> > > pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
> > > Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50
> > > To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-
> > > ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:
> draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
> > > Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
> > > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> > >
> > > Hi Andy,
> > >
> > > First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an
> > > oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness,
> > > we wish to assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-
> > > examining the evolution of the document, the procedures related to
> > > the IPR were added to the draft in a later version ( draft-ietf-
> > > pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the initial draft,
> > > and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR
> > > disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were
> > > updating version ?09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in
> > > that same timeframe.
> > >
> > > That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not
> > > mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific
> > > error scenario. Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different
> > > from any other filed by Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory
> terms'.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Samer
> > >
> > > From: "Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.
> > > malis@verizon.com>>
> > > Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
> > > To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:
> > pwe3@ietf.org
> > > >>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
> > > iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:
> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
> > > Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:
> > stbryant@cisco.com
> > > >>
> > > Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-
> > > ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> > >
> > > To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:
> > >
> > > PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This
> > > leads to two important questions:
> > >
> > > 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original
> > > draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost
> > > simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version of
> > > the draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR
> > > wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initial
> > > filing and almost three years from the public publication of the
> > > filing.  The chairs would like the authors to respond to the
> > > lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF's
> > > IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well,
> > > and elsewhere as well.
> > >
> > > 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has
> > > an opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft
> > > given the disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have
> > beenpublished.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Andy and Matthew
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-ipr@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org>>
> > > Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
> > > To: sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>, lmartini@cisco.com<
> > > mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>, ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com
> > > >, satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.
> > > softbank.co.jp>
> > > Cc: pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<
> > > mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:
> > > ipr-announce@ietf.org>, stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>
> > >
> > > Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:
> > >
> > >  An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled
> > > "Inter-Chassis
> > > Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp=
)
> was
> > > submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted
> > > on the "IETF
> > > Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
> > > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR
> disclosure is
> > > "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");
> > >
> > > The IETF Secretariat
> > >
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PWEers,<br><br>Speaking as WG co-chair, I think it&#39;s time to call this =
question, and I like the new approach along the lines discussed by Samer an=
d Lizhong as a way to move forward.&nbsp; Please reply if you have a strong=
 opinion either agreeing, or preferring to keep the ICCP draft as is. Note =
that the absence of strong opinions will be interpreted as agreeing to chan=
ge the draft. Also note that Matthew is recused from determining consensus =
because he&#39;s a co-author, but he&#39;s free to reply on the list as an =
author rather than as a co-chair. I&#39;ll keep this open for a week to giv=
e people something to mull over while they digest their turkey. :-)<br>

<br>Thanks,<br>Andy<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Lizhong Jin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_blank">lizhong.jin@zte.c=
om.cn</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">OK, then &quot;brings down the port
towards the CE&quot; is different with &quot;sending a message to the dual-=
homed
device&quot; in the patent. Actually, how to trigger CE to switch to the
secondary PE could be implementation specific (e.g, by Eth OAM), and this
draft could only focus on the interaction between two PEs. Anyway, I am
OK with the second option you provided. And say the CE triggering is implem=
entation
specific, but could provide some examples, e.g, port down, or adjust priori=
ty.</font>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">This is my personal idea, thanks.</font>
<br>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">Lizhong</font>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"1">&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;
wrote 2012/11/15 11:43:34:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Lizhong,</font>
<br><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><font face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; =
<br>
&gt; Essentially, the PE which encounters the core-isolation failure <br>
&gt; brings down the port towards the CE (e.g. by bringing down the line-<b=
r>
&gt; protocol or disabling the Tx laser). This will cause the CE to fail-<b=
r>
&gt; over to the other member link of the bundle. In terms of fail-over
<br>
&gt; time, this is comparable to relying on LACP to bring down the Port
<br>
&gt; Priority on the failed PE. However, for reversion after recovery <br>
&gt; from failure, this scheme will take slightly more time compared to
<br>
&gt; the LACP approach, since the LACP hand-shake needs to be traversed
<br>
&gt; in order to restore traffic to the recovering PE. That said, it is
<br>
&gt; possible for implementations to minimize the reversion time by <br>
&gt; having the CE control the maximum links per bundle policy, since in
<br>
&gt; this later case the CE continues to send traffic to the secondary
PE<br>
&gt; until the link to the recovering PE is ready to join the bundle &ndash=
;
at<br>
&gt; that point that link pre-empts the link to the secondary PE.</font>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; Regards,</font>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; Samer</font>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; From: Lizhong Jin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn" target=
=3D"_blank">lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:13 AM<br>
&gt; To: &quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisc=
o.com" target=3D"_blank">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf=
.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&quot;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com" target=3D"_blank">yaakov_s@rad.com<=
/a>&gt;, &quot;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog=
.co.uk</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blan=
k">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@veri=
zon.com" target=3D"_blank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&quot;
&lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">andrew=
.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@=
tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&q=
uot;
&lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;Stewart Bryant (stbry=
ant)&quot;
&lt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco=
.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related to
<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09</font>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif">&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi Samer, <br>
&gt; Could you provide more technical detail about the one without IPR?
I<br>
&gt; must miss something in this discussion.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks <br>
&gt; Lizhong <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; ------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Message: 2<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:42:55 +0000<br>
&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Samer Salam (ssalam)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssal=
am@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; To: Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com" target=
=3D"_blank">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog=
.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D=
"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;, &quot;&#39;Andrew G. Malis&#39;&quot;=
<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;, &nbsp; &quot;<a href=3D=
"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt=
;,<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.i=
etf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot;<br=
>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:stbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Relate=
d
to<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; &gt; Message-ID:<br>
&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3B=
C90D7C1982@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5=
AD33F3BC90D7C1982@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;windows-1252&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described proced=
ure<br>
&gt; &gt; were identified in the course of the discussions, one without
the <br>
&gt; &gt; IPR and one with. The current draft only captures the latter
because<br>
&gt; &gt; it offers better reversion time characteristics (note that failov=
er
<br>
&gt; &gt; protection time is comparable for both, it is primarily the <br>
&gt; &gt; reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approva=
l
<br>
&gt; &gt; of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; 1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR<br>
&gt; &gt; 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; Samer<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; From: Yaakov Stein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com" target=
=3D"_blank">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
&gt; &gt; To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank=
">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" =
target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;&quot;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.=
co.uk</a>&lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">a=
drian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;&gt;, &quot;&#39;Andrew G. Malis&#39;&quot;
&lt;andrew.g.<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">malis@verizon.c=
om</a>&lt;<br>
&gt; &gt; mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:p=
we3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a><br>


&gt; &gt; &gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;,
&quot;draft-ietf-pwe3-<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iccp@too=
ls.ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf=
.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;&quot;
<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:draft-ietf-pwe3-" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iccp@too=
ls.ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
tbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco=
.com</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Relate=
d
to <br>
&gt; &gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; &gt; Resent-From: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">yaakov_s@rad.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Resent-To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">lmartini@cisco.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com=
" target=3D"_blank">lmartini@cisco.com</a>&gt;&gt;,
<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">sajass=
i@cisco.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;&gt;, &lt;satoru.<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp" target=3D"_blank"=
>matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsus=
hima@tm.softbank.co.jp" target=3D"_blank">satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.=
jp</a><br>


&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Adrian,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I support removal of the procedure.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Timely disclosure is required if IPR is &quot;essential&quot;
for an <br>
&gt; &gt; implementation to be compliant with an RFC.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the
RFC it<br>
&gt; &gt; is part of the IETF&#39;s definition<br>
&gt; &gt; of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that
<br>
&gt; &gt; option the IPR becomes essential.<br>
&gt; &gt; This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a <br>
&gt; &gt; described procedure.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the <br>
&gt; procedure as well,<br>
&gt; &gt; as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted)
<br>
&gt; &gt; being ruled unenforceable.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Y(J)S<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org=
" target=3D"_blank">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
[mailto:<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3-b=
ounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel<br>
&gt; &gt; Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00<br>
&gt; &gt; To: &#39;Samer Salam (ssalam)&#39;; &#39;Andrew G. Malis&#39;; <a=
 href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailt=
o:<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:=
draft-" target=3D"_blank">draft-</a><br>


&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: &#39;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&#39;<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Relate=
d
to <br>
&gt; &gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Samer said:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is
an <br>
&gt; &gt; optional procedure for a specific error scenario.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider anothe=
r
<br>
&gt; &gt; way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply
to <br>
&gt; &gt; remove the optional procedure.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; What do people think?<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; &gt; Adrian<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org=
" target=3D"_blank">pwe3-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
[mailto:<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3-b=
ounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)<br>
&gt; &gt; Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50<br>
&gt; &gt; To: Andrew G. Malis; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;;
draft-<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-=
pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf=
.org</a>&gt;<br>


&gt; &gt; Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Relate=
d
to <br>
&gt; &gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Andy,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an
<br>
&gt; &gt; oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness=
,
<br>
&gt; &gt; we wish to assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-<br>
&gt; &gt; examining the evolution of the document, the procedures related
to <br>
&gt; &gt; the IPR were added to the draft in a later version ( draft-ietf-<=
br>
&gt; &gt; pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the initial draft,
<br>
&gt; &gt; and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR
<br>
&gt; &gt; disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we
were <br>
&gt; &gt; updating version ?09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed
in <br>
&gt; &gt; that same timeframe.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not
<br>
&gt; &gt; mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specifi=
c
<br>
&gt; &gt; error scenario. Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no differen=
t
<br>
&gt; &gt; from any other filed by Cisco under &#39;reasonable non-discrimin=
atory
terms&#39;.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; Samer<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Andrew G. Malis&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.=
malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&lt;mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g" target=3D"_blank">andrew.g</a>.<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_blank">malis@veri=
zon.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM<br>
&gt; &gt; To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3=
@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">=
pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"=
_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<br>


&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a><b=
r>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf=
.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-</a><b=
r>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iccp@too=
ls.ietf.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&lt;mail=
to:<br>


&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" target=3D"=
_blank">draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: &quot;Stewart Bryant (stbryant)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
tbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco.com</a>&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">stbryant@cisco=
.com</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Related to
draft-<br>
&gt; &gt; ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.
&nbsp;This<br>
&gt; &gt; leads to two important questions:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the origina=
l
<br>
&gt; &gt; draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed
almost<br>
&gt; &gt; simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version
of <br>
&gt; &gt; the draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR
<br>
&gt; &gt; wasn&#39;t disclosed until now, more than four years after the in=
itial
<br>
&gt; &gt; filing and almost three years from the public publication of
the <br>
&gt; &gt; filing. &nbsp;The chairs would like the authors to respond to
the <br>
&gt; &gt; lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF&=
#39;s
<br>
&gt; &gt; IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note
Well, <br>
&gt; &gt; and elsewhere as well.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone
has<br>
&gt; &gt; an opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft
<br>
&gt; &gt; given the disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have
<br>
&gt; beenpublished.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; &gt; Andy and Matthew<br>
&gt; &gt; ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
&gt; &gt; From: IETF Secretariat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">ietf-ipr@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-ipr=
@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf-ipr@ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco&#39;s Statement of IPR Rela=
ted
to <br>
&gt; &gt; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09<br>
&gt; &gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">sajass=
i@cisco.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">lmartini@cisco.com</a>&lt;<br>


&gt; &gt; mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:lmartini@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">lm=
artini@cisco.com</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">ssalam@cisco.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ssalam@cisco.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">ssalam@cisco.com</a><br>


&gt; &gt; &gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp" targ=
et=3D"_blank">satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"=
mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm" target=3D"_blank">satoru.matsushima@tm</a>.<br=
>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://softbank.co.jp" target=3D"_blank">softbank.co.j=
p</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.=
org</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&lt;<br>


&gt; &gt; mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">andrew.g.malis@verizon.com</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:ipr-announce@ie=
tf.org" target=3D"_blank">ipr-announce@ietf.org</a>&lt;mailto:<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:ipr-announce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ipr-an=
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entitled <br>
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PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of
draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.

Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this
draft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like
to see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications
that the draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more
details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version
> solved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we
> (co-authors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!
>
> Many thanks,
> Mach

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PWE3ers,<br><br>As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of=
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mail whether or not you support <span class=3D"">adoption</span> of this dr=
aft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to=
 see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that=
 the draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.<br>


<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be <span class=3D"">adopted</span> until a response has been=
 received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the <span class=3D"">PWE3</span> WG email list but are not li=
sted as an author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Andy and=
 Matthew<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fr=
i, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
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n> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday&#39;s meeting, the latest version s=
olved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-aut=
hors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach</blockquote></div><br></div>

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No IPR from here.


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com> wrote:

> PWE3ers,
>
> As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.
>
> Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this
> draft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like
> to see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications
> that the draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.
>
> Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
> more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
> to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
> draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
> author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
> of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
> rules.
>
> This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy and Matthew
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version
>> solved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we
>> (co-authors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Mach
>
>
>
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No IPR from here.<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Andrew G. Malis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:amalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">amalis@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">PWE3ers,<br><br>As requested by Mach, this b=
egins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07=
.<br>

<br>Please reply to this email whether or not you support <span>adoption</s=
pan> of this draft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. W=
e would like to see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. I=
ndications that the draft has actually been read would also be greatly appr=
eciated.<br>




<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be <span>adopted</span> until a response has been received f=
rom each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the <span>PWE3</span> WG email list but are not listed as an =
author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Andy and=
 Matthew<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fr=
i, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:mach.chen@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">mach.chen@huawei.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>




<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday&#39;s meeting, the latest version s=
olved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-aut=
hors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach</blockquote></div><br></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
pwe3 mailing list<br>
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quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;fo=
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quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D">I know there is an IPR that has
 been disclosed at <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1894/">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1894/</a>, as per IETF IPR rules.
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nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></=
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nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&=
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=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></font></b><font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:=CB=CE=CC=E5"> pwe3-bounces@ietf.org
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S" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5">Andrew G. Malis<br>
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-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;font-weight:bold">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=
=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:=CB=CE=CC=E5"> 2012</span></font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"=CB=CE=CC=E5"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5">=C4=EA<span lang=
=3D"EN-US">11</span>=D4=C2<span lang=3D"EN-US">21</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D=
"EN-US">
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</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"=
EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> pwe3@ietf.org<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> attila.takacs@ericsson.com; Caowe=
i (Wayne); Ping Pan<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll o=
n draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07<o:p></o:p></span></span></fon=
t></p>
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=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read
 would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Support.

Regards,
Jie

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of And=
rew G. Malis
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:11 AM
To: pwe3@ietf.org
Cc: attila.takacs@ericsson.com; Caowei (Wayne); Ping Pan
Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
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PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.

Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
author and contributor.

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or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
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This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach=
.chen@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
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he draft has actually been read
 would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
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Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).

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or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
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rules.

This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

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.chen@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
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<b>Subject:</b> [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read
 would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
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No IPR from Infinera.

From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:11 PM
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Cc: matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com; Ping Pan; attila.takacs@ericsson.com;=
 Mach Chen; Caowei (Wayne)
Subject: WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-l=
sp-07

PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.

Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach=
.chen@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!

Many thanks,
Mach


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sans-serif&quot;"> Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@gmail.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pwe3@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com; Ping Pan; attila.takacs@ericss=
on.com; Mach Chen; Caowei (Wayne)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
bidir-lsp-07<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in">PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read
 would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in">Hi,<br>
<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hello,

I know there is an IPR related to this draft. It has been disclosed accordi=
ng to IETF rules.

Disclosure: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1894/

Thanks!
Wei Cao

From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:11 PM
To: pwe3@ietf.org
Cc: matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com; Ping Pan; attila.takacs@ericsson.com;=
 Mach Chen; Caowei (Wayne)
Subject: WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-l=
sp-07

PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.

Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach=
.chen@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!

Many thanks,
Mach


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I know there is an IPR re=
lated to this draft. It has been disclosed according to IETF rules.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Disclosure:
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1894/">https://datatracker.ietf=
.org/ipr/1894/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Wei Cao<o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Andrew G=
. Malis [mailto:amalis@gmail.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pwe3@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com; Ping Pan; attila.takacs@ericss=
on.com; Mach Chen; Caowei (Wayne)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
bidir-lsp-07<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read
 would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi all,
As author, support adoption, and do not know about related IPR .
Thanks,
Attila

From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:11 PM
To: pwe3@ietf.org
Cc: matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com; Ping Pan; Attila Takacs; Mach Chen; C=
aowei (Wayne)
Subject: WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-l=
sp-07

PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.

Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach=
.chen@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!

Many thanks,
Mach


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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span>=
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ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@gmail.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:11 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com; Ping Pan; Attila Takacs; Mach =
Chen; Caowei (Wayne)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
bidir-lsp-07<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read
 would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
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or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
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This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs judge if there is cons=
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Please respond to this email on the list with 'support' or 'do not support'=
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Please also send any comments on the draft to the PWE3 list.

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Tom,

Thanks for the reminder. I've moved this discussion from the mpls WG list
to the pwe3 WG list.

At the time, there wasn't sufficient consensus for the draft to be adopted
as it existed then. Since then, it's been through 5 more revisions. Matthew
and I would appreciate it if those that commented the last time time around
could read the current revision of the draft to see if their concerns have
been addressed.

And again, remember that this is not a last call, it's a working group
adoption request, and if adopted, it becomes the property of the WG to
revise as the WG sees fit.

Thanks,
Andy

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com>wrote:

>
> You may want to check the archives. You already asked as to whether or not
> this draft should be adopted on 4/13/2011.  At that time, Yaakov, Luca,
> Curtis and I had a fair amount of discussion around this question, and the
> conclusion at that time seemed to be not to adopt it.   A number of
> important questions were raised as to whether this is in scope or not, or
> whether it will work in reality.  I am not sure those things were fixed
> with the current version or whether they can be fixed at all.  It might
> also be good to check with the SP community as to whether or not this would
> be used in reality.
>
> --Tom
>
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2012:8:23 AM, at 8:23 AM, "Andrew G. Malis" <amalis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> MPLSers,
>
> Please note the forwarded email message announcing an adoption poll for
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07, see that message for further
> details. As this is an MPLS-TP draft, the MPLS WG is also being notified.
> Please direct all discussion to the pwe3@ietf.org email list.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
> For the PWE3 WG
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM
> Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07
> To: "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>
> Cc: "attila.takacs@ericsson.com" <attila.takacs@ericsson.com>, "Caowei
> (Wayne)" <wayne.caowei@huawei.com>, Ping Pan <PPan@infinera.com>
>
> PWE3ers,
>
> As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.
>
> Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this
> draft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like
> to see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications
> that the draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.
>
> Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
> more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
> to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
> draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
> author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
> of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
> rules.
>
> This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy and Matthew
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version
>> solved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we
>> (co-authors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Mach
>
>
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Tom,<br><br>Thanks for the reminder. I&#39;ve moved this discussion from th=
e mpls WG list to the pwe3 WG list.<br><br>At the time, there wasn&#39;t su=
fficient consensus for the draft to be adopted as it existed then. Since th=
en, it&#39;s been through 5 more revisions. Matthew and I would appreciate =
it if those that commented the last time time around could read the current=
 revision of the draft to see if their concerns have been addressed.<br>

<br>And again, remember that this is not a last call, it&#39;s a working gr=
oup adoption request, and if adopted, it becomes the property of the WG to =
revise as the WG sees fit.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Andy<br><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra">

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Thomas Nade=
au <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tnadeau@lucidvision.com" target=
=3D"_blank">tnadeau@lucidvision.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><br=
></div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>You may want to check t=
he archives. You already asked as to whether or not this draft should be ad=
opted on 4/13/2011. =A0At that time,=A0Yaakov, Luca, Curtis and I had a fai=
r amount of discussion around this question, and the conclusion at that tim=
e seemed to be not to adopt it. =A0 A number of important questions were ra=
ised as to whether this is in scope or not, or whether it will work in real=
ity. =A0I am not sure those things were fixed with the current version or w=
hether they can be fixed at all. =A0It might also be good to check with the=
 SP community as to whether or not this would be used in reality.=A0<div>


<div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>--Tom=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 21, 2012:8:23=
 AM, at 8:23 AM, &quot;Andrew G. Malis&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amalis@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">amalis@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>


<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">MPLSers,<br><br>Please note the forwarded ema=
il message announcing an adoption poll for draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-b=
idir-lsp-07, see that message for further details. As this is an MPLS-TP dr=
aft, the MPLS WG is also being notified. Please direct all discussion to th=
e <a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a> emai=
l list.<br>




<br>Thanks,<br>Andy<br>For the PWE3 WG<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_=
sendername">Andrew G. Malis</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ama=
lis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">amalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>




Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM<br>Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR p=
oll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07<br>To: &quot;<a href=3D"=
mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>




Cc: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:attila.takacs@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">a=
ttila.takacs@ericsson.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:attila.takacs@eri=
csson.com" target=3D"_blank">attila.takacs@ericsson.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Caow=
ei (Wayne)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wayne.caowei@huawei.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wayne.caowei@huawei.com</a>&gt;, Ping Pan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PPan=
@infinera.com" target=3D"_blank">PPan@infinera.com</a>&gt;<br>




<br>PWE3ers,<br><br>As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoptio=
n of draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br><br>Please reply to th=
is email whether or not you support <span>adoption</span> of this draft. Re=
asons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to see a =
good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that the dr=
aft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.<br>







<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be <span>adopted</span> until a response has been received f=
rom each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the <span>PWE3</span> WG email list but are not listed as an =
author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Andy and=
 Matthew<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fr=
i, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:mach.chen@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">mach.chen@huawei.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>







<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday&#39;s meeting, the latest version s=
olved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-aut=
hors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach</blockquote></div><br></div>
<br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
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tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3</a><br>
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href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a><br><a hre=
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Subject: [PWE3] Poll for adoption and IPR check: draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy=
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This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs judge if there is cons=
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Please respond to this email on the list with 'support' or 'do not support'=
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Please also send any comments on the draft to the PWE3 list.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies t=
o this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF=
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butor.

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hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

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Dear All,
I did read it, find addressed problem realistic and proposed solution pract=
ical.
Hence, I do support adoption by PWE3 WG.

    Regards,
        Greg

________________________________
From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of And=
rew G. Malis
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:32 AM
To: mpls@ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] Fwd: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls=
-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07

MPLSers,

Please note the forwarded email message announcing an adoption poll for dra=
ft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07, see that message for further deta=
ils. As this is an MPLS-TP draft, the MPLS WG is also being notified. Pleas=
e direct all discussion to the pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org> email li=
st.

Thanks,
Andy
For the PWE3 WG

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com<mailto:amalis@gmail.com>>
Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
bidir-lsp-07
To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: "attila.takacs@ericsson.com<mailto:attila.takacs@ericsson.com>" <attila=
.takacs@ericsson.com<mailto:attila.takacs@ericsson.com>>, "Caowei (Wayne)" =
<wayne.caowei@huawei.com<mailto:wayne.caowei@huawei.com>>, Ping Pan <PPan@i=
nfinera.com<mailto:PPan@infinera.com>>

PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.

Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach=
.chen@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!

Many thanks,
Mach


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<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> mpls@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mpls] Fwd: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pw=
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MPLSers,<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
Please note the forwarded email message announcing an adoption poll for dra=
ft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07, see that message for further deta=
ils. As this is an MPLS-TP draft, the MPLS WG is also being notified. Pleas=
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<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a> email =
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<br>
Thanks,<br>
Andy<br>
For the PWE3 WG<br>
<br>
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From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Andrew G. Malis</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">amalis@gmail.com</=
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Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM<br>
Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
bidir-lsp-07<br>
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<div class=3D"h5">To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"=
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Cc: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:attila.takacs@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">a=
ttila.takacs@ericsson.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:attila.takacs@eri=
csson.com" target=3D"_blank">attila.takacs@ericsson.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Caow=
ei (Wayne)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wayne.caowei@huawei.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wayne.caowei@huawei.com</a>&gt;,
 Ping Pan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PPan@infinera.com" target=3D"_blank">PPan@i=
nfinera.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support <span>adoption</span>=
 of this draft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We wo=
uld like to see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indic=
ations that the draft has actually
 been read would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be <span>adopted</span> until a response has been received f=
rom each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the <span>PWE3</span> WG email list but are not listed as an =
author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach</blockquote>
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Thanks! As Gregory said, this is a proposal that is to solve a real
problem, that is, to aggregate ton's of Ethernet circuits into
bi-directional links (such as optical trunks) at network edge.

Please consider and provide the comment.

Regards,

Ping


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Gregory Mirsky <
gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

> **
> Dear All,
> I did read it, find addressed problem realistic and proposed solution
> practical.
> Hence, I do support adoption by PWE3 WG.
>
>     Regards,
>         Greg
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Andrew G. Malis
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:32 AM
> *To:* mpls@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [mpls] Fwd: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07
>
>  MPLSers,
>
> Please note the forwarded email message announcing an adoption poll for
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07, see that message for further
> details. As this is an MPLS-TP draft, the MPLS WG is also being notified.
> Please direct all discussion to the pwe3@ietf.org email list.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
> For the PWE3 WG
>
>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM
> Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07
>  To: "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>
> Cc: "attila.takacs@ericsson.com" <attila.takacs@ericsson.com>, "Caowei
> (Wayne)" <wayne.caowei@huawei.com>, Ping Pan <PPan@infinera.com>
>
> PWE3ers,
>
> As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of
> draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.
>
> Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this
> draft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like
> to see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications
> that the draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.
>
> Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
> more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
> to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
> draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
> author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
> of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
> rules.
>
> This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy and Matthew
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version
>> solved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we
>> (co-authors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Mach
>
>
>
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Thanks! As Gregory said, this is a proposal that is to solve a real problem=
, that is, to aggregate ton&#39;s of Ethernet circuits into bi-directional =
links (such as optical trunks) at network edge.<div><br></div><div>Please c=
onsider and provide the comment.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Ping</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at=
 10:05 AM, Gregory Mirsky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregory.m=
irsky@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>





<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff"><spa=
n>Dear All,</span></font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff"><spa=
n>I did read it, find addressed problem realistic and proposed solution pra=
ctical.</span></font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff"><spa=
n>Hence, I do support adoption by PWE3 WG.</span></font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff"><spa=
n></span></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff"><spa=
n>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Regards,</span></font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff"><spa=
n>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Greg</span></font></div>
<br>
<div lang=3D"en-us" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left">
<hr>
<font face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org"=
 target=3D"_blank">mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mpls=
-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew G. Malis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mpls] Fwd: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pw=
e3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07<br>
</font><br>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div></div>
MPLSers,<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
Please note the forwarded email message announcing an adoption poll for dra=
ft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07, see that message for further deta=
ils. As this is an MPLS-TP draft, the MPLS WG is also being notified. Pleas=
e direct all discussion to the
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a> email =
list.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Andy<br>
For the PWE3 WG<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Andrew G. Malis</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">amalis@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM<br>
Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
bidir-lsp-07<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf=
.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:attila.takacs@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">a=
ttila.takacs@ericsson.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:attila.takacs@eri=
csson.com" target=3D"_blank">attila.takacs@ericsson.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Caow=
ei (Wayne)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wayne.caowei@huawei.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wayne.caowei@huawei.com</a>&gt;,
 Ping Pan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PPan@infinera.com" target=3D"_blank">PPan@i=
nfinera.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support <span>adoption</span>=
 of this draft. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We wo=
uld like to see a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indic=
ations that the draft has actually
 been read would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be <span>adopted</span> until a response has been received f=
rom each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the <span>PWE3</span> WG email list but are not listed as an =
author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <span =
dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">mach.chen@hua=
wei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
Hi,<br>
<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday&#39;s meeting, the latest version s=
olved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-aut=
hors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>_______________________________________________<br>
pwe3 mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3</a><br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<br>
</div></div></div>

<br>_______________________________________________<br>
mpls mailing list<br>
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>

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Support (as coauthor).

No IPR from my side.

Regards,
Jie

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Boc=
ci, Matthew (Matthew)
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:00 PM
To: pwe3@ietf.org
Subject: [PWE3] Poll for adoption and IPR check: draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy=
-spe-04.txt

This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs judge if there is cons=
ensus  to adopt draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe-04.txt as a PWE3 working gro=
up draft.

Please respond to this email on the list with 'support' or 'do not support'=
.

Please also send any comments on the draft to the PWE3 list.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies t=
o this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF=
 IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi=
s email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The draft will no=
t be adopted until a response has been received from each author and contri=
butor.

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tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t=
hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

This poll closes on Monday 10th December 2012.

Regards

Matthew and Andy

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 26, 2012 7:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pwe3@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PWE3] Poll for adoption and IPR check: draft-dong-pwe3-red=
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are not listed as an author&nbsp;or contributor, then please explicitly res=
pond only if you are aware&nbsp;of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">This poll cl=
oses on Monday 10th December 2012.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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appreciated.=0A=0ACoincidentally, we are also =0Apolling for knowledge of a=
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I'm calling consensus on the new approach. Authors, please update the draft=
.

Thanks,
Andy

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Andrew G. Malis
<andrew.g.malis@verizon.com> wrote:
> PWEers,
>
> Speaking as WG co-chair, I think it's time to call this question, and I l=
ike
> the new approach along the lines discussed by Samer and Lizhong as a way =
to
> move forward.  Please reply if you have a strong opinion either agreeing,=
 or
> preferring to keep the ICCP draft as is. Note that the absence of strong
> opinions will be interpreted as agreeing to change the draft. Also note t=
hat
> Matthew is recused from determining consensus because he's a co-author, b=
ut
> he's free to reply on the list as an author rather than as a co-chair. I'=
ll
> keep this open for a week to give people something to mull over while the=
y
> digest their turkey. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Lizhong Jin <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn> wro=
te:
>>
>>
>> OK, then "brings down the port towards the CE" is different with "sendin=
g
>> a message to the dual-homed device" in the patent. Actually, how to trig=
ger
>> CE to switch to the secondary PE could be implementation specific (e.g, =
by
>> Eth OAM), and this draft could only focus on the interaction between two
>> PEs. Anyway, I am OK with the second option you provided. And say the CE
>> triggering is implementation specific, but could provide some examples, =
e.g,
>> port down, or adjust priority.
>> This is my personal idea, thanks.
>>
>> Lizhong
>>
>>
>> "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com> wrote 2012/11/15 11:43:34:
>>
>> > Hi Lizhong,
>> >
>> > Essentially, the PE which encounters the core-isolation failure
>> > brings down the port towards the CE (e.g. by bringing down the line-
>> > protocol or disabling the Tx laser). This will cause the CE to fail-
>> > over to the other member link of the bundle. In terms of fail-over
>> > time, this is comparable to relying on LACP to bring down the Port
>> > Priority on the failed PE. However, for reversion after recovery
>> > from failure, this scheme will take slightly more time compared to
>> > the LACP approach, since the LACP hand-shake needs to be traversed
>> > in order to restore traffic to the recovering PE. That said, it is
>> > possible for implementations to minimize the reversion time by
>> > having the CE control the maximum links per bundle policy, since in
>> > this later case the CE continues to send traffic to the secondary PE
>> > until the link to the recovering PE is ready to join the bundle =96 at
>> > that point that link pre-empts the link to the secondary PE.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Samer
>> >
>> > From: Lizhong Jin <lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn>
>> > Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:13 AM
>> > To: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com>
>> > Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "yaakov_s@rad.com"
>> > <yaakov_s@rad.com>, "
>> > adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "andrew.g.malis@verizon.co=
m"
>> > <
>> > andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org" <
>> > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>, "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <
>> > stbryant@cisco.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>> > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Samer,
>> > Could you provide more technical detail about the one without IPR? I
>> > must miss something in this discussion.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Lizhong
>> >
>> >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Message: 2
>> > > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:42:55 +0000
>> > > From: "Samer Salam (ssalam)" <ssalam@cisco.com>
>> > > To: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk"
>> > >    <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "'Andrew G. Malis'"
>> > >    <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>,   "pwe3@ietf.org" <pwe3@ietf.org>,
>> > >    "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org"
>> > >    <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
>> > > Cc: "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" <stbryant@cisco.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>> > >    draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>> > > Message-ID:
>> > >    <8F25FF8EA49D164EBE5F1B5AD33F3BC90D7C1982@xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"windows-1252"
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > To further clarify: two ways of implementing the described procedure
>> > > were identified in the course of the discussions, one without the
>> > > IPR and one with. The current draft only captures the latter because
>> > > it offers better reversion time characteristics (note that failover
>> > > protection time is comparable for both, it is primarily the
>> > > reversion time upon recovery that is different). With the approval
>> > > of the other co-authors, we would be happy to:
>> > >
>> > > 1- Either Capture only the option without the IPR, OR
>> > > 2- Capture both options with the above tradeoff highlighted
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Samer
>> > >
>> > > From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
>> > > Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
>> > > To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>"
>> > > <adrian@olddog.co.uk<
>> > > mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>, "'Andrew G. Malis'" <andrew.g.
>> > malis@verizon.com<
>> > > mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>>,
>> > > "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org
>> > > >" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-
>> > > iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>"
>> > > <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
>> > > iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
>> > > Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:
>> > stbryant@cisco.com
>> > > >>
>> > > Subject: RE: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>> > > Resent-From: <yaakov_s@rad.com<mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com>>
>> > > Resent-To: <lmartini@cisco.com<mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>>,
>> > > <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, <satoru.
>> > >
>> > > matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co=
.jp
>> > > >>, <ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>
>> > > Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:06 AM
>> > >
>> > > Adrian,
>> > >
>> > > I support removal of the procedure.
>> > >
>> > > Timely disclosure is required if IPR is "essential" for an
>> > > implementation to be compliant with an RFC.
>> > >
>> > > Even if the procedure is optional, if it is written up in the RFC it
>> > > is part of the IETF's definition
>> > > of the behavior, and thus when parties choose to implement that
>> > > option the IPR becomes essential.
>> > > This is not the case of IPR being one way of implementing a
>> > > described procedure.
>> > >
>> > > I think that the IPR holders should support removal of the
>> > procedure as well,
>> > > as their lack of disclosure could lead to a patent (if granted)
>> > > being ruled unenforceable.
>> > >
>> > > Y(J)S
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:
>> > > pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 16:00
>> > > To: 'Samer Salam (ssalam)'; 'Andrew G. Malis'; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:
>> > > pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-
>> > > ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>
>> > > Cc: 'Stewart Bryant (stbryant)'
>> > > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > Samer said:
>> > >
>> > > > the use of the IPR is not mandatory in the draft. It is an
>> > > optional procedure for a specific error scenario.
>> > >
>> > > That makes me wonder whether the WG would like to consider another
>> > > way of handling this specific error scenario, or even simply to
>> > > remove the optional procedure.
>> > >
>> > > What do people think?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Adrian
>> > >
>> > > From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:
>> > > pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samer Salam (ssalam)
>> > > Sent: 25 October 2012 17:50
>> > > To: Andrew G. Malis; pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>; draft-
>> > >
>> > > ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf=
.org>
>> > > Cc: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
>> > > Subject: Re: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>> > >
>> > > Hi Andy,
>> > >
>> > > First and foremost we apologize for the late filing, it was an
>> > > oversight on our part. While there is no excuse for the tardiness,
>> > > we wish to assure the WG that no foul play was intended. Re-
>> > > examining the evolution of the document, the procedures related to
>> > > the IPR were added to the draft in a later version ( draft-ietf-
>> > > pwe3-iccp-03 to be precise) and not as part of the initial draft,
>> > > and this is our best guess as to why we missed filing the IPR
>> > > disclosure earlier, and it only came to our attention when we were
>> > > updating version ?09 of the draft, since the patent was allowed in
>> > > that same timeframe.
>> > >
>> > > That said, we wish to clarify that the use of the IPR is not
>> > > mandatory in the draft. It is an optional procedure for a specific
>> > > error scenario. Furthermore, the terms of the IPR are no different
>> > > from any other filed by Cisco under 'reasonable non-discriminatory
>> > > terms'.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Samer
>> > >
>> > > From: "Andrew G. Malis" <andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<mailto:andrew.g.
>> > > malis@verizon.com>>
>> > > Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:34 AM
>> > > To: "pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:
>> > pwe3@ietf.org
>> > > >>, "draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-pwe3-
>> > > iccp@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org<mailto:
>> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp@tools.ietf.org>>
>> > > Cc: "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:
>> > stbryant@cisco.com
>> > > >>
>> > > Subject: [PWE3] Regarding Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-
>> > > ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>> > >
>> > > To the PWE3 WG and the authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp:
>> > >
>> > > PWE3 participants may have noticed the IPR announcement below.  This
>> > > leads to two important questions:
>> > >
>> > > 1. The two authors of the IPR were also co-authors on the original
>> > > draft-martini-pwe3-iccp, and the patent application was filed almost
>> > > simultaneously with the publication of the original -00 version of
>> > > the draft. This leads to the difficult question of why this IPR
>> > > wasn't disclosed until now, more than four years after the initial
>> > > filing and almost three years from the public publication of the
>> > > filing.  The chairs would like the authors to respond to the
>> > > lateness of the filing, given the many announcements of the IETF's
>> > > IPR policy, notably in the draft boilerplate and in the Note Well,
>> > > and elsewhere as well.
>> > >
>> > > 2. The chairs would also like to ask the working group if anyone has
>> > > an opinion about how or whether to continue the current WG draft
>> > > given the disclosure of the IPR and the license terms that have
>> > beenpublished.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Andy and Matthew
>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > > From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-ipr@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org>>
>> > > Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM
>> > > Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to
>> > > draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09
>> > > To: sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>, lmartini@cisco.com<
>> > > mailto:lmartini@cisco.com>, ssalam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com
>> > > >, satoru.matsushima@tm.softbank.co.jp<mailto:satoru.matsushima@tm.
>> > > softbank.co.jp>
>> > > Cc: pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com<
>> > > mailto:andrew.g.malis@verizon.com>, ipr-announce@ietf.org<mailto:
>> > > ipr-announce@ietf.org>, stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com=
>
>> > >
>> > > Dear Ali Sajassi, Luca Martini, Samer Salam, Satoru Matsushima:
>> > >
>> > >  An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled
>> > > "Inter-Chassis
>> > > Communication Protocol for L2VPN PE Redundancy" (draft-ietf-pwe3-icc=
p)
>> > > was
>> > > submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-23 and has been posted
>> > > on the "IETF
>> > > Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
>> > > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/). The title of the IPR
>> > > disclosure is
>> > > "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-09."");
>> > >
>> > > The IETF Secretariat
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > pwe3 mailing list
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>:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> [PWE3] Poll for adoption and IPR =
check: draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></span></font=
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;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;;color:black">This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs judge
 if there is consensus &nbsp;to adopt&nbsp;draft-dong-pwe3-redundancy-spe-0=
4.txt as a PWE3 working group draft.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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;;color:black">Please respond to this email on the list with 'support' or
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;;color:black">Please also send any comments on the draft to the PWE3 list.=
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S" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Coincidentall=
y, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that&nbsp;applies to this d=
raft,
 to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in&nbsp;compliance with IETF IPR rul=
es (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).</span></font><spa=
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w Roman&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
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S" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">If you are li=
sted as a document author or contributor please respond&nbsp;to this email =
whether
 or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The&nbsp;draft will not be adopt=
ed until a response has been received from each&nbsp;author and contributor=
.</span></font><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">If you are on=
 the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author&nbsp;or contributor=
,
 then please explicitly respond only if you are aware&nbsp;of any IPR that =
has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF&nbsp;rules.</span></fon=
t><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Rom=
an&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Calibri"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Calibri"><s=
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;;color:black">This poll closes on Monday 10th December 2012.<o:p></o:p></s=
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;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Calibri"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;;color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Support.

Mingui

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>This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs judge if there is con=
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Linda Dunbar

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> >This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs judge if there is
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Support,

Linda Dunbar

From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of And=
rew G. Malis
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:11 PM
To: pwe3@ietf.org
Cc: attila.takacs@ericsson.com; Caowei (Wayne); Ping Pan
Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-=
bidir-lsp-07

PWE3ers,

As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.

Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each
author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.

Cheers,
Andy and Matthew

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com<mailto:mach=
.chen@huawei.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
d the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we (co-authors=
) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!

Many thanks,
Mach


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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew G. Malis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pwe3@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> attila.takacs@ericsson.com; Caowei (Wayne); Ping Pan<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PWE3ers,<br>
<br>
As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of draft-cao-pwe3-=
mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.<br>
<br>
Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draf=
t. Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to s=
ee a good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that t=
he draft has actually been read
 would also be greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that<br>
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in<br>
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more=
 details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond<br>
to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The<br>
draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each<br>
author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author<br>
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware<br>
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF<br>
rules.<br>
<br>
This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy and Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version solve=
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) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Mach<o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on	draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07
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Support.

Mingui

>-----Original Message-----
>From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>Andrew G. Malis
>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:11 AM
>To: pwe3@ietf.org
>Cc: attila.takacs@ericsson.com; Caowei (Wayne); Ping Pan
>Subject: [PWE3] WG adoption and IPR poll on
>draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07
>
>PWE3ers,
>
>As requested by Mach, this begins a call for WG adoption of
>draft-cao-pwe3-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.
>
>Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this dra=
ft.
>Reasons are not required, but are helpful for the WG. We would like to see=
 a
>good show of support rather than just a few emails. Indications that the d=
raft
>has actually been read would also be greatly appreciated.
>
>Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies =
to this
>draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR r=
ules
>(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
>If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to th=
is
>email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The draft will not=
 be
>adopted until a response has been received from each author and contributo=
r.
>
>If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author or
>contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any I=
PR that
>has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>This will be a two-week poll, ending 4 December.
>
>Cheers,
>Andy and Matthew
>
>
>On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>
>	Hi,
>
>	We have presented the updates on Monday's meeting, the latest version
>solved the comments received so far. As suggested on the meeting, we
>(co-authors) would like to request a WG adoption on the draft!
>
>	Many thanks,
>	Mach
>

