From zhangmingui@huawei.com Thu Aug 1 00:56:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D2021F9A57; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 00:56:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IFsJd2hz14eY; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 00:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEE421F8E8E; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 00:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AVQ01738; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 07:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:56:25 +0100 Received: from NKGEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.39) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:56:37 +0100 Received: from NKGEML508-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.110]) by nkgeml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.39]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.007; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:56:26 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [PWE3] Updated agenda for Thursday Thread-Index: AQHOjTGYD7ZCFG76WUOVjX9mla0rKpl/9cmQ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:56:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E7335CA8DB@nkgeml508-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.175] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "l3vpn@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] Updated agenda for Thursday X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 07:56:49 -0000 Dear All, Apologize that I am unable to be in Berlin to make the presentations due to= visa issues. But our slides are still available online.=20 Please read them and review the drafts. Comments are welcome. ICCP Application TLVs for VPN Route Label Sharing http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/87/slides/slides-87-pwe3-1.pdf http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-zhang-pwe3-iccp-label-sharing-00.txt Also, Label Sharing for Fast PE Protection http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/87/slides/slides-87-l3vpn-0.pdf http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-zhang-l3vpn-label-sharing-00.txt Many thanks! Mingui >-----Original Message----- >From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Andrew G. Malis >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:29 PM >To: pwe3@ietf.org >Subject: [PWE3] Updated agenda for Thursday > >There seems to be a bug in the IETF tools that is preventing us from uploa= ding a >revised agenda for Thursday. Meanwhile, I've included it below. All slides= have >been received, thanks to the presenters!!!! > >Cheers, >Andy > >--------- > >***************************************************************** >***** >IETF 87 PWE3 - Thursday, July 12, 2013 - 17:00 - 18:30 Potsdam 3 (55/90 m= in >allocated) >***************************************************************** >***** >Chairs: Matthew Bocci and Andy Malis >Secretary: David Sinicrope >(x =3D slide sets NOT received as of July 30 16:30 Central Europe Time) > >1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Matthew >BOCCI > >2. 10 min - PW Endpoint Fast Failure Protection - Yimin SHEN >http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04.txt >Objectives: To present the updates in the new rev, and pursue acceptance a= s a >WG draft. > >3. 10 min - Dynamic Placement of Multi Segment Pseudowires - Loa ANDERSSON >http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw-17.txt >Objectives: To present an update on the draft and explain how a non-wg >document shepherd guides a standards track wg document into and through >IESG review and RFC Editor editing. > >4. 10 min - ICCP Application TLVs for VPN Route Label Sharing - Mingui ZHA= NG >http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-zhang-pwe3-iccp-label-sharing-00.txt >Objectives: Need direction from the WG on the draft. >Note: This draft depends on another draft: Label Sharing for Fast PE Prote= ction >http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-zhang-l3vpn-label-sharing-00.txt > >5. 5 min - Keyed IPv6 Tunnel - Giles HERON >http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mkonstan-keyed-ip-tunnel-00 >Objective: Notify the WG of the draft's existence and intent to address it= in >L2TPEXT (i.e., heads up) > >6. 5 min - Liaison statement on clarifying Point to Multi Point (P2MP) >combinations (to IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs) - David SINICROPE >https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2013-07-23-itu-t-sg= -15- >mpls-liaison-statement-on-clarifying-point-to-multi-point-p2mp-combination= s-to- >ietf-pwe3-and-mpls-wgs-attachment-1.pdf >Objective: Explain request from the ITU-T SG15 and note intention to reply > > > >***************************************************************** >***** >Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.) >***************************************************************** >***** > >xx. - None currently > >***************************************************************** >***** >REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PWE3 SESSION(S) >***************************************************************** >***** >Remote Participation Info: >http://www.ietf.org/meeting/87/remote-participation.html >- No WebEx >- Audio will be on: http://ietf87streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf876.m3u >- Jabber room is "pwe3" > From yuichiro.wada@ntt.com Fri Aug 9 03:10:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193A721F9F80 for ; 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Fri, 9 Aug 2013 19:10:26 +0900 From: Yuichiro Wada To: Loa Andersson , "pwe3@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [PWE3] IPR poll on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw Thread-Index: Ac6U6Ha9w9ERXr3mSDmgJmOOKIYCMQ== Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:10:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: ja-JP, en-US Content-Language: ja-JP X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ccmail-original-to: loa@pi.nu, pwe3@ietf.org x-ccmail-original-cc: pwe3-ads@tools.ietf.org, pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org x-originating-ip: [10.18.61.124] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:22:42 -0700 Cc: "pwe3-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] IPR poll on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:13:50 -0000 Loa, I am not aware of any needed IPR disclosures. Best regards, Yuichiro Yuichiro Wada NTT Communications -----Original Message----- From: pwe3-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Balus, Florin Stelian (Florin) Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:34 PM To: Loa Andersson; pwe3 at ietf.org Cc: pwe3-ads at tools.ietf.org; pwe3-chairs at tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [PWE3] IPR poll on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw Loa, No IPR as far as I remember about that needs to be disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. Florin On 7/15/13 1:30 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: >Authors, > >Currently draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw hangs on missing responses on >the IPR poll. > >A few days short of a month after starting the IPR poll and if my >tracking is correct (sorry if I missed someone) this is the status: > >- We have 20 listed authors >- 7 have responded to the list. >- One (Luca) has sent me a uni-directional mail. > -- Note that strictly a mail to the list is required, but I'm > not going to try to enforce that. >- I've received 2 responses form people not listed as authors - tnx! >- I still miss responses from the 12 authors listed below: > > 1. Florin Balus > 2. Jason Rusmisel > 3. Yetik Serbest > > 4. Chris Metz > 5. Jeff Sugimoto > 6. Mike Duckett > > 7. Mike Loomis > 8. Paul Doolan > 9. Prayson Pate > > 10. Vasile Radoaca > 11. Yuichiro Wada > 12. Yeongil Seo > >Can you please respond to the IPR poll (to the pwe3 mailing list) as >soon as possible. > >/Loa >document shepherd > > >On 2013-06-19 19:46, Loa Andersson wrote: >> Working Group and authors; >> >> The authors of draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw, the working group >> chairs and the document shepherd are working to prepare the >> publication request for this document. >> >> To prepare the shepherd write-up we need to do an IPR poll on the >> document to check whether there are more IPRs that needs to be >> disclosed before sending the document to the IESG with a request that >> it is published as an RFC on the standards track. >> >> This mail starts that IPR poll. >> >> There are 4 IPR disclosures against this document, ID #998, ID #1810, >> ID #1879 and ID #1885. It is possible to find them at >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ >> >> Are you aware of any further IPR that applies to >> draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw? >> >> If so,this IPR need to be disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >> >> If you are listed in the authors section of this document please >> respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of >> any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the PWE3 wg >> mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until >> a response has been received from each author and contributor. >> >> Since the authors section includes 20 names, could the authors please >> both help each other to make sure that we get all the responses. At >> the same time please check if the mail addresses ned to be updated. >> >> If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author >> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware >> of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >> >> Thanks, Loa >> document shepherd > >-- > > >Loa Andersson email: loa at mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa at pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ pwe3 mailing list pwe3 at ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 This email and attachments may contain privileged or confidential information intended only for the addressee(s) indicated. The sender does not waive any of its rights, privileges or protections respecting this information. 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Overture Networks, Inc. 637 Davis Drive, Morrisville, NC USA 27560 www.overturenetworks.com From amalis@gmail.com Mon Aug 12 08:44:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5DC21E8375 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:44:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l4woTyaLy9FI for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22b.google.com (mail-ob0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811E111E80E0 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id tb18so9054096obb.16 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:37:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=UtEpIYXGGo7RMOOpSfMppTEYNW4bRweKehwWA5xW6OY=; b=vDglcKKuaiZ8K6YwDIUYirnQIV9lMFuNxQaOz/H1VoFI8UxFtU0zawF34pLpLYzbfB QBkzy/jc/JMNOXJg8b9mcH2tPzbTid+oXOqmJ+piAEyVrse2OIAtZIRN+cZUfM5jRekz qedBeyHybqkEGFbwPecS57F1QVNASurT98EEf5n5ZX5PBesCk4Z9/RzwfoEMkBcYMlrY u/HkY9RSgRROU9aZnixG3W2gKFVOwKdcXKEOlSZKqmoQ4qSc4/0tjSYP10/ee+hO65HM sGjs88CXC4TePgAq/6UGeBJXc7sSHI1QDmbACh47au8wuXRKBV9+2LDs2+n8QmJtGAKy EluA== X-Received: by 10.182.144.231 with SMTP id sp7mr10984656obb.14.1376318221993; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:37:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.27.69 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:36:41 -0400 Message-ID: To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0153686cb84f2e04e3c10ee6 Subject: Re: [PWE3] Working group last call and IPR call for draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:44:51 -0000 --089e0153686cb84f2e04e3c10ee6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This ends WG last call of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp with no technical comments received. However, there are a large number of authors listed in section 13 that we have not yet heard from regarding IPR. Since I'm listed :-), for the record, I am not aware of any IPR beyond that already disclosed. I'll send a separate email to the authors to solicit the reply. We won't be able to forward this to the IESG without hearing from the authors. ALSO - since both Matthew and I are in the list of authors, we need a volunteer to be the document shepherd who is NOT listed in section 13. Please reply to this email if you would like to volunteer. It's good training if you ever would like to be a WG chair. It's really not that difficult, you need to do your own review of the draft, and fill out a form that describes the draft to the IESG. If you're curious, you can see the form at http://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup.txt . Not all of the questions apply to all drafts, and Matthew and I can assist you. Thanks, Andy On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > PWE3ers, > > This begins a three-week working group last call for > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11. The last call is extended > by a week since it would otherwise end during the IETF meeting. > > Please send comments on this draft by replying to this message and > including the pwe3 list. The chairs would appreciate indications that the > draft has been read and agreement that it is ready for publication, > even if you don't have other comments. > > Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of IPR that > applies to this draft to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in > compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 > for more details). We are already aware of the disclosure at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/ , so we are only looking for > additional IPR that may apply to this draft. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond > to this email whether or not you are aware of any additional IPR. The > drafts will not be forwarded to the IESG until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author > or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware > of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF > rules. > > This WG last call will conclude on 9 August 2013. > > Thanks, > Andy > > --089e0153686cb84f2e04e3c10ee6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This ends WG last call of draft-ietf-p= we3-iccp with no technical comments received. However, there are a large nu= mber of authors listed in section 13 that we have not yet heard from regard= ing IPR.

Since I'm listed :-), for the record, I am not aware of any I= PR beyond that already disclosed. I'll send a separate email to the aut= hors to solicit the reply. We won't be able to forward this to the IESG= without hearing from the authors.

ALSO - since both Matthew and I are in the list of authors, = we need a volunteer to be the document shepherd who is NOT listed in sectio= n 13. Please reply to this email if you would like to volunteer. It's g= ood training if you ever would like to be a WG chair. It's really not t= hat difficult, you need to do your own review of the draft, and fill out a = form that describes the draft to the IESG. If you're curious, you can s= ee the form at http://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup.txt . Not all of the qu= estions apply to all drafts, and Matthew and I can assist you.

Thanks,
Andy



On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:= 19 AM, Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com> wrote:
PWE3ers,

This begins a three-week working group last call for
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11 . T= he last call is extended
by a week since it would otherwise end during = the IETF meeting.

Please send comments on this draft by replying to this message and
= including the pwe3 list. The chairs would appreciate indications that the <= br>draft has been read and agreement that it is ready for publication,
even if you don't have other comments.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of IPR that
applies to this draft to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378
for = more details). We are already aware of the disclosure at
https://datatracker.= ietf.org/ipr/1898/ , so we are only looking for
additional IPR that may apply to this draft.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any additional IPR. The
drafts will not be forwarded to the IESG until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This WG last call will conclude on 9 August 2013.

Thanks,
Andy


--089e0153686cb84f2e04e3c10ee6-- From amalis@gmail.com Mon Aug 12 08:47:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F229821F8F3C for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:47:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ir-9cnrIsZWv for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-x22c.google.com (mail-oa0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0796121F9CE9 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l20so9723347oag.17 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:43:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=YfD1BMqeG2wHZZbhberNgMxVji/veBlWB2vzNTXAD9A=; b=K5guWNjPROxM/AyW9bjCMjloa+eWmOR2q3dDU1WeNMx1AS2KC2jxLnXUNyX/AQ3sBR dZXY9AZclUrn+on1xqyigfhOKhkdta4RW/+HVUofrITihAclnwutnf2HE2r6H0nhsfpG /R2mJCKIb3da4E74VnD2J3o3kEkEA0pAZ+dDCcgBsYrmfUzmeiMri3zjhswlV6wbaxh7 ltjsYYQkc7mBalk+hvsDWbnngdmkqef+Of7GaIRIVgKs81i46kVjbZwMsyKnKU16GoDM xMdC+h56KwmfQcukzsJTgVbS63bq4m74P4jqGU2EDuXNCWGMbhe/c1YERXZaOd/nYxWN Lpyg== X-Received: by 10.182.246.39 with SMTP id xt7mr11049393obc.16.1376318586423; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:43:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.27.69 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 07:42:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2e224710efe04e3c12467 Subject: Re: [PWE3] Working group last call and IPR call for draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:47:42 -0000 --001a11c2e224710efe04e3c12467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Whoops, it turns out I clicked on the wrong draft when I sent this previous email, although it is true that we still haven't heard from some of the authors regarding IPR. However, I will be able to be the shepherd, although if anyone would like to volunteer, that offer is still open! As was discussed at the Berlin meeting, anyone can be a document shepherd, and it is good training if you would ever like to be a WG chair. Thanks, Andy On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > This ends WG last call of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp with no technical comments > received. However, there are a large number of authors listed in section 13 > that we have not yet heard from regarding IPR. > > Since I'm listed :-), for the record, I am not aware of any IPR beyond > that already disclosed. I'll send a separate email to the authors to > solicit the reply. We won't be able to forward this to the IESG without > hearing from the authors. > > ALSO - since both Matthew and I are in the list of authors, we need a > volunteer to be the document shepherd who is NOT listed in section 13. > Please reply to this email if you would like to volunteer. It's good > training if you ever would like to be a WG chair. It's really not that > difficult, you need to do your own review of the draft, and fill out a form > that describes the draft to the IESG. If you're curious, you can see the > form at http://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup.txt . Not all of > the questions apply to all drafts, and Matthew and I can assist you. > > Thanks, > Andy > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >> PWE3ers, >> >> This begins a three-week working group last call for >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11. The last call is extended >> by a week since it would otherwise end during the IETF meeting. >> >> Please send comments on this draft by replying to this message and >> including the pwe3 list. The chairs would appreciate indications that the >> draft has been read and agreement that it is ready for publication, >> even if you don't have other comments. >> >> Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of IPR that >> applies to this draft to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in >> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 >> for more details). We are already aware of the disclosure at >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/ , so we are only looking for >> additional IPR that may apply to this draft. >> >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond >> to this email whether or not you are aware of any additional IPR. The >> drafts will not be forwarded to the IESG until a response has been >> received from each author and contributor. >> >> If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author >> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware >> of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF >> rules. >> >> This WG last call will conclude on 9 August 2013. >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> >> > --001a11c2e224710efe04e3c12467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoops, it turns out I clicked on the wrong draft whe= n I sent this previous email, although it is true that we still haven't= heard from some of the authors regarding IPR.

However, I will be ab= le to be the shepherd, although if anyone would like to volunteer, that off= er is still open! As was discussed at the Berlin meeting, anyone can be a d= ocument shepherd, and it is good training if you would ever like to be a WG= chair.

Thanks,
Andy


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Andrew G. Malis <am= alis@gmail.com> wrote:
This en= ds WG last call of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp with no technical comments received= . However, there are a large number of authors listed in section 13 that we= have not yet heard from regarding IPR.

Since I'm listed :-), for the record, I am not aware of any I= PR beyond that already disclosed. I'll send a separate email to the aut= hors to solicit the reply. We won't be able to forward this to the IESG= without hearing from the authors.

ALSO - since both Matthew and I are in the list of authors, = we need a volunteer to be the document shepherd who is NOT listed in sectio= n 13. Please reply to this email if you would like to volunteer. It's g= ood training if you ever would like to be a WG chair. It's really not t= hat difficult, you need to do your own review of the draft, and fill out a = form that describes the draft to the IESG. If you're curious, you can s= ee the form at http://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup.txt .= Not all of the questions apply to all drafts, and Matthew and I can assist= you.

Thanks,
Andy



On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmai= l.com> wrote:
PWE3ers,

This begins a three-week working group last call for
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11 . T= he last call is extended
by a week since it would otherwise end during = the IETF meeting.

Please send comments on this draft by replying to this message and
= including the pwe3 list. The chairs would appreciate indications that the <= br>draft has been read and agreement that it is ready for publication,
even if you don't have other comments.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of IPR that
applies to this draft to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378
for = more details). We are already aware of the disclosure at
https://datatracker.= ietf.org/ipr/1898/ , so we are only looking for
additional IPR that may apply to this draft.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any additional IPR. The
drafts will not be forwarded to the IESG until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This WG last call will conclude on 9 August 2013.

Thanks,
Andy



--001a11c2e224710efe04e3c12467-- From satoru.matsushima@gmail.com Mon Aug 12 09:42:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1C121F841B for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4w-ebhtII9F for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6640021F8C9D for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ea20so4891436lab.13 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uHmgwVgMFzc2o64aYiHIjLUGO3TLHyrKNmcVwy8BNrw=; b=TM8OBGnLTiCvwiF46I9vx7U3UPugeubzn16tcWsmqbk9ChFsMQ+4Yl2YGP+T7y6ELh TxIeH1lIbhIxCIX6lBXkGJ4KQ6r1lKyWCmMmWk6A1QYtrwPahRy5Yr0IvpxQl7EgyF/A as6wsnIdDyaFOEc3vr0o41o1F+X/mj4cYhVKNVrmq6/sm8l4PiQ3w2lhhY3UyNufBP0I CYr2wJheq+0tQLCLRV3RL9KPHgYyq4RCFqoFLlbqAqWHKEk76SY0GtYxMBq4XTaPAoo3 R4IYkPBB+7wbJ0X61zyzobsON9ehtYzQJiZl6lVdbnfYSYDuw4JMQjNTYhN2kqaOilwG sxeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.42.68 with SMTP id m4mr10116704lbl.4.1376323389263; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.172.232 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 01:03:09 +0900 Message-ID: From: Satoru Matsushima To: "Andrew G. Malis" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11336876b696d804e3c24204 Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] Working group last call and IPR call for draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:42:01 -0000 --001a11336876b696d804e3c24204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Andy, On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Whoops, it turns out I clicked on the wrong draft when I sent this > previous email, although it is true that we still haven't heard from some > of the authors regarding IPR. > ah, that's I'm confused. I am not aware of any IPR regarding this draft. --satoru > > However, I will be able to be the shepherd, although if anyone would like > to volunteer, that offer is still open! As was discussed at the Berlin > meeting, anyone can be a document shepherd, and it is good training if you > would ever like to be a WG chair. > > Thanks, > Andy > > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >> This ends WG last call of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp with no technical comments >> received. However, there are a large number of authors listed in section 13 >> that we have not yet heard from regarding IPR. >> >> Since I'm listed :-), for the record, I am not aware of any IPR beyond >> that already disclosed. I'll send a separate email to the authors to >> solicit the reply. We won't be able to forward this to the IESG without >> hearing from the authors. >> >> ALSO - since both Matthew and I are in the list of authors, we need a >> volunteer to be the document shepherd who is NOT listed in section 13. >> Please reply to this email if you would like to volunteer. It's good >> training if you ever would like to be a WG chair. It's really not that >> difficult, you need to do your own review of the draft, and fill out a form >> that describes the draft to the IESG. If you're curious, you can see the >> form at http://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup.txt . Not all of >> the questions apply to all drafts, and Matthew and I can assist you. >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >> >>> PWE3ers, >>> >>> This begins a three-week working group last call for >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11. The last call is extended >>> by a week since it would otherwise end during the IETF meeting. >>> >>> Please send comments on this draft by replying to this message and >>> including the pwe3 list. The chairs would appreciate indications that >>> the >>> draft has been read and agreement that it is ready for publication, >>> even if you don't have other comments. >>> >>> Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of IPR that >>> applies to this draft to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in >>> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 >>> for more details). We are already aware of the disclosure at >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1898/ , so we are only looking for >>> additional IPR that may apply to this draft. >>> >>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond >>> to this email whether or not you are aware of any additional IPR. The >>> drafts will not be forwarded to the IESG until a response has been >>> received from each author and contributor. >>> >>> If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author >>> or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware >>> of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF >>> rules. >>> >>> This WG last call will conclude on 9 August 2013. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > pwe3 mailing list > pwe3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 > > --001a11336876b696d804e3c24204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy,


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Andrew G. Malis <amalis@= gmail.com> wrote:
Whoops, it turns out I= clicked on the wrong draft when I sent this previous email, although it is= true that we still haven't heard from some of the authors regarding IP= R.

ah, that's I'm c= onfused. I am not aware of any IPR regarding this draft.
--= satoru

=A0

However, I will be able to be the shepherd, altho= ugh if anyone would like to volunteer, that offer is still open! As was dis= cussed at the Berlin meeting, anyone can be a document shepherd, and it is = good training if you would ever like to be a WG chair.

Thanks,
Andy
=


On Mon, Aug 1= 2, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com> wrote= :
This en= ds WG last call of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp with no technical comments received= . However, there are a large number of authors listed in section 13 that we= have not yet heard from regarding IPR.

Since I'm listed :-), for the record, I am not aware of any I= PR beyond that already disclosed. I'll send a separate email to the aut= hors to solicit the reply. We won't be able to forward this to the IESG= without hearing from the authors.

ALSO - since both Matthew and I are in the list of authors, = we need a volunteer to be the document shepherd who is NOT listed in sectio= n 13. Please reply to this email if you would like to volunteer. It's g= ood training if you ever would like to be a WG chair. It's really not t= hat difficult, you need to do your own review of the draft, and fill out a = form that describes the draft to the IESG. If you're curious, you can s= ee the form at http://www.ietf.org/iesg/template/doc-writeup.txt .= Not all of the questions apply to all drafts, and Matthew and I can assist= you.

Thanks,
Andy



On Fri, Jul 19, = 2013 at 8:19 AM, Andrew G. Malis <amalis@gmail.com> wrote:
PWE3ers,

This begins a three-week working group last call for
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-11 . T= he last call is extended
by a week since it would otherwise end during = the IETF meeting.

Please send comments on this draft by replying to this message and
= including the pwe3 list. The chairs would appreciate indications that the <= br>draft has been read and agreement that it is ready for publication,
even if you don't have other comments.

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of IPR that
applies to this draft to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378
for = more details). We are already aware of the disclosure at
https://datatracker.= ietf.org/ipr/1898/ , so we are only looking for
additional IPR that may apply to this draft.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond
to this email whether or not you are aware of any additional IPR. The
drafts will not be forwarded to the IESG until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF
rules.

This WG last call will conclude on 9 August 2013.

Thanks,
Andy




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--001a11336876b696d804e3c24204-- From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Aug 12 10:27:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AE821F9B92 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.200, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GrZHNwC9o4uO for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5480121F9B03 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wgao-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net (westford-nat.juniper.net [66.129.232.2]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78043252E7AF for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Nadeau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:24:54 -0400 To: "pwe3@ietf.org (pwe3@ietf.org)" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Subject: [PWE3] NOMS 2014 Call For Papers X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:27:46 -0000 http://noms2014.ieee-noms.org/content/call-experience-session-papers http://www.ieee-noms.org/ NOMS 2014 will be next year's IEEE flagship conference in the area of = management of networked systems and services. The symposium will include = an Experience Session program. Experience Sessions complement the = Technical Sessions with contributions that emphasize practical = experiences and lessons learnt in applying, implementing, and deploying = management technology. They will focus on aspects such as real-world = deployment scenarios, experiences with the management of new services = and technology, industrial applications of management technology, = implementation experiences, and organizational considerations. = Experience sessions are particularly aimed at decision makers and = experts from industry. New this year and for the first time at NOMS, the best Experience Paper = will be recognized with an award. =20 Topics of interest=20 NOMS 2014's theme is "Management in a Software Defined World". NOMS 2014 = will place particular emphasis on Software Defined Networking and = related technologies; submissions in those areas are particularly = encouraged. Specific topics include but are not limited to the ones = listed below. Please refer also to the general Call for Papers. =95 Management case studies and best practices =95 Issues and experiences with practical deployments =95 Software Defined Networks and enabling technologies =95 Open source SDN frameworks, Open Daylight =95 Experiences with OpenFlow deployments =95 Orchestration and SDN controllers =95 Network Function Virtualization implementations =95 Data center automation =95 Management of cloud =95 Cloud service assurance =95 Big Data analytics in management =95 Management of virtualized environments =95 OSS/BSS development =95 Virtualization of operation centers and help desks =95 Organizational aspects of IT service management =95 IT governance =95 Service engineering and operational challenges =95 Management of emerging networks and services =95 Green management and managing energy efficiency =95 Smart buildings, industrial automation and management =95 Experiences with autonomic networking and self-management =95 Application of machine learning and data mining to = management =95 Advances in standardization =95 Management information models =95 Event correlation, diagnostics, fault, performance = management =95 Billing and accounting models and service level management =95 Business alignment of IT service management =95 Experiences with Call Home frameworks =95 Managed service provider issues =95 Service delivery and service assurance =95 Experiences with process engineering and frameworks (ITIL, = eTOM) =95 Other topics in network and service operations and = management From loa@pi.nu Tue Aug 20 05:51:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9F611E80D5 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:51:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YyWyCkWrB4OB for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC5721F9B9F for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.58] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B049B18000AA; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:51:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52136637.2000006@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:51:03 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "pwe3-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [PWE3] The IPR situation on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:51:19 -0000 Working Group, (with my document shepherd hat on) I've had hoped to send the publication request for this document to the IESG this week. However there is one thing I need the working groups view before I go ahead and do so. We can't discuss IPRs explicitly on IETF mailing lists, but we can decide on what the working group wants to do given the current situation. You will have digest the information below, possibly do your own digging in the IPR disclosure archives, etc. Before you send a mail to the PWE3 wg mailing list with a very simple statement, e.g.: "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I think it is OK to continue and request publication." or "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I don't think it is OK to continue and request publication." There are two issues: Late IPR disclosures -------------------- The early individual drafts that were merged in to the current wg draft was published as early as Feb 2005. IPR disclosure #998 is from 2008-08-22; in itself this a "late" (3.5 years) but would not be a matter or concern. IPR disclosure #1810 is from July 5, 2012, it is not possible to trace this as an update to an earlier disclosure. It looks to me that this is very late (8.5 years). IPR disclosure #1879 is from September 11, 2012, however this is an update to #566 that was published April 14, 2005 and should not be a problem. IPR disclosure #1885 is a third disclosure. Relating to an IPR from a former employer of the disclosing party. Non-disclosed rights for use of IPR ----------------------------------- I can't find any documentation with the an IPR disclosure from the IPR holder of the IPR disclosed in #1885. Responses to the IPR poll. -------------------------- We have 20 authors/contributors that we have asked to respond to the normal IPR poll. We have 18 responses that all says that the responders do not know of any IPR other than those disclosed. Of these 18 there are three responses that have not been sent to the list but directly the the wg chairs or the document shepherd; from Luca Martini, Vasile Radoca and Yohan(Yeong-il) Seo. There are two authors/contributors that has not responded; Yetik Serbest and Mike Duckett. Note: Please don't respond to this mail in any other way than to express your supoort/non-support to go ahead and request publication!! Discussion of IPRs on IETF mailing list are not appropriate. If you have information that I've not included in the mail above send this uni-directional to me and I will update accordingly. /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From Yetik_Serbest@labs.att.com Tue Aug 20 10:36:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001DC11E8247 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PZ--HxjdLWCG for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay1.labs.att.com (postman.labs.att.com [205.173.58.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2456711E823B for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpolish.labs.att.com (mailpolish [144.60.65.114]) by relay1.labs.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7186D1F498; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:36:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailpolish.labs.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 54F3F1262DD_213A919B; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:36:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from irelay2.labs.att.com (irelay2.labs.att.com [144.60.17.145]) by mailpolish.labs.att.com (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id 73FE6125F52_213A914F; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:36:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SAUSMAILHUB.ad.tri.sbc.com (sausmailhub.ad.tri.sbc.com [144.60.55.228]) by irelay2.labs.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF89240023; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:36:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SAUSMAILMBX2.ad.tri.sbc.com ([144.60.55.230]) by SAUSMAILHUB.ad.tri.sbc.com ([144.60.55.228]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:36:20 -0500 From: "Serbest, Yetik" To: Loa Andersson , "pwe3@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [PWE3] The IPR situation on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw Thread-Index: AQHOnaP6HzAOYnLtjEqeyC26aNC5xJmeW8gQ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: <52136637.2000006@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <52136637.2000006@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [144.60.56.144] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-20094.001 x-tm-as-result: No--71.703200-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "pwe3-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] The IPR situation on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:36:32 -0000 Hi Loa, Sorry for the late reply. Long summer vacation. I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Thanks, yetik -----Original Message----- From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa= Andersson Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:51 AM To: pwe3@ietf.org Cc: pwe3-ads@tools.ietf.org; pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-pwe3-dy= namic-ms-pw@tools.ietf.org Subject: [PWE3] The IPR situation on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw Working Group, (with my document shepherd hat on) I've had hoped to send the publication request for this document to the IESG this week. However there is one thing I need the working groups view before I go ahead and do so. We can't discuss IPRs explicitly on IETF mailing lists, but we can decide on what the working group wants to do given the current situation. You will have digest the information below, possibly do your own digging in the IPR disclosure archives, etc. Before you send a mail to the PWE3 wg mailing list with a very simple statement, e.g.: "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I think it is OK to continue and request publication." or "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I don't think it is OK to continue and request publication." There are two issues: Late IPR disclosures -------------------- The early individual drafts that were merged in to the current wg draft was published as early as Feb 2005. IPR disclosure #998 is from 2008-08-22; in itself this a "late" (3.5 years) but would not be a matter or concern. IPR disclosure #1810 is from July 5, 2012, it is not possible to trace this as an update to an earlier disclosure. It looks to me that this is very late (8.5 years). IPR disclosure #1879 is from September 11, 2012, however this is an update to #566 that was published April 14, 2005 and should not be a problem. IPR disclosure #1885 is a third disclosure. Relating to an IPR from a former employer of the disclosing party. Non-disclosed rights for use of IPR ----------------------------------- I can't find any documentation with the an IPR disclosure from the IPR holder of the IPR disclosed in #1885. Responses to the IPR poll. -------------------------- We have 20 authors/contributors that we have asked to respond to the normal IPR poll. We have 18 responses that all says that the responders do not know of any IPR other than those disclosed. Of these 18 there are three responses that have not been sent to the list but directly the the wg chairs or the document shepherd; from Luca Martini, Vasile Radoca and Yohan(Yeong-il) Seo. There are two authors/contributors that has not responded; Yetik Serbest and Mike Duckett. Note: Please don't respond to this mail in any other way than to express your supoort/non-support to go ahead and request publication!! Discussion of IPRs on IETF mailing list are not appropriate. If you have information that I've not included in the mail above send this uni-directional to me and I will update accordingly. /Loa --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ pwe3 mailing list pwe3@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 From loa@pi.nu Tue Aug 20 10:43:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A876D11E8142 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:43:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PfNJpxV41nVr for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9315D11E8226 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AF941802038; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:43:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5213AAD7.6090304@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:43:51 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Serbest, Yetik" References: <52136637.2000006@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org" , "pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] The IPR situation on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:43:56 -0000 Yetik, tnx! /Loa On 2013-08-20 19:36, Serbest, Yetik wrote: > Hi Loa, > > Sorry for the late reply. Long summer vacation. > > I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft. > > Thanks, > yetik > > -----Original Message----- > From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:51 AM > To: pwe3@ietf.org > Cc: pwe3-ads@tools.ietf.org; pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw@tools.ietf.org > Subject: [PWE3] The IPR situation on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw > > Working Group, > > (with my document shepherd hat on) > > I've had hoped to send the publication request for this document to the > IESG this week. However there is one thing I need the working groups > view before I go ahead and do so. > > We can't discuss IPRs explicitly on IETF mailing lists, but we can > decide on what the working group wants to do given the current > situation. You will have digest the information below, possibly do > your own digging in the IPR disclosure archives, etc. Before you send > a mail to the PWE3 wg mailing list with a very simple statement, e.g.: > > "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I think it > is OK to continue and request publication." > > or > > "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I don't > think it is OK to continue and request publication." > > > There are two issues: > > Late IPR disclosures > -------------------- > > The early individual drafts that were merged in to the current wg > draft was published as early as Feb 2005. > > IPR disclosure #998 is from 2008-08-22; in itself this a "late" > (3.5 years) but would not be a matter or concern. > > IPR disclosure #1810 is from July 5, 2012, it is not possible to trace > this as an update to an earlier disclosure. It looks to me that this is > very late (8.5 years). > > IPR disclosure #1879 is from September 11, 2012, however this is an > update to #566 that was published April 14, 2005 and should not be > a problem. > > IPR disclosure #1885 is a third disclosure. Relating to an IPR from > a former employer of the disclosing party. > > > Non-disclosed rights for use of IPR > ----------------------------------- > I can't find any documentation with the an IPR disclosure from the > IPR holder of the IPR disclosed in #1885. > > Responses to the IPR poll. > -------------------------- > We have 20 authors/contributors that we have asked to respond to > the normal IPR poll. > > We have 18 responses that all says that the responders do not > know of any IPR other than those disclosed. > > Of these 18 there are three responses that have not been sent > to the list but directly the the wg chairs or the document > shepherd; from Luca Martini, Vasile Radoca and > Yohan(Yeong-il) Seo. > > There are two authors/contributors that has not responded; > Yetik Serbest and Mike Duckett. > > Note: > > Please don't respond to this mail in any other way than to > express your supoort/non-support to go ahead and request > publication!! Discussion of IPRs on IETF mailing list are > not appropriate. > > If you have information that I've not included in the mail > above send this uni-directional to me and I will update > accordingly. > > > /Loa > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From amalis@gmail.com Tue Aug 20 13:53:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8D111E82CD for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:53:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iJcN8Be9t-ry for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-x231.google.com (mail-oa0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::231]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7344F11E82CA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id n10so1862564oag.36 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:52:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=FK/RUsfp1kupNXnDzqpHYReQP78D6ZJporQnyKu5ZDQ=; b=qdjNPX73ZuFIyAb7qkb/CszcoxX3K9o8JslVeI8O+yz0IfMlw404WBWIC5ktTjrEgW JxH9PL6n6W12d7vHKr4nn+X4udnMeICTcNEgkVFiW+rSCCAkh7LhL/pQJTxBzWTIM1Su kE0l3EKh1e/x6ef68yURU7VFrSlp4ATlZ2aRHTbPttvUs1P8khh9LJ2QN0HSHAFtezfT zh24AuA2T9sBzVOgYFZqDgQ8sbDMETfMWWrFG76a/MAgcKbO6HQBHaBsPXKPPTdK5DgT e1aZefbbkSvUZkN09j0nd2BdlcINbT1ACf39ReGInvfWky5i8Or1ZQ8C0uYKVTjzjv9f YDBA== X-Received: by 10.60.34.4 with SMTP id v4mr3061348oei.101.1377031977282; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:52:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.27.69 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:52:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cbebcd9b52404e4673d53 Subject: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp implementation/deployment/interop survey X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:53:14 -0000 --089e013cbebcd9b52404e4673d53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As a part of shepherding this draft, this is a survey regarding draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp implementations. Please let me know if you are aware of any implementations, deployment, and/or interoperability testing of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp. Replies can be private to me and will be kept confidential, and aggregated for the purpose of the writeup to the IESG. 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Thanks much,
Andy

--089e013cbebcd9b52404e4673d53-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Aug 21 13:30:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D701711E819C; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uq7ZCC8M8D8c; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC6B11E8124; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.70.p1 Message-ID: <20130821203048.928.35284.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:48 -0700 Cc: pwe3@ietf.org Subject: [PWE3] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results-02.txt X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:30:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge Working= Group of the IETF. Title : The Pseudowire (PW) & Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verif= ication (VCCV) Implementation Survey Results Author(s) : Andrew G. Malis Filename : draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results-02.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2013-08-21 Abstract: Most pseudowire Emulation Edge-to-Edge (PWE3) encapsulations mandate the use of the Control Word (CW) to carry information essential to the emulation, to inhibit Equal-Cost Multipath (ECMP) behavior, and to discriminate Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) from Pseudowire (PW) packets. However, some encapsulations treat the Control Word as optional. As a result, implementations of the CW, for encapsulations for which it is optional, vary by equipment manufacturer, equipment model and service provider network. Similarly, Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV) supports three Control Channel (CC) types and multiple Connectivity Verification (CV) Types. This flexibility has led to reports of interoperability issues within deployed networks and associated drafts to attempt to remedy the situation. This survey of the PW/ VCCV user community was conducted to determine implementation trends. The survey and results is presented herein. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results= -02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From loa@pi.nu Fri Aug 23 03:20:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9B811E8195 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k0uHZ7VPh3aD for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3174521F9C9A for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E698180203F; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:19:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52173749.3000707@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:19:53 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pwe3@ietf.org" References: <52136637.2000006@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <52136637.2000006@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "pwe3-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "pwe3-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [PWE3] Update - all the authors have responded on the IPR poll - Re: The IPR situation on draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:20:02 -0000 Working Group, We now have the responses from all the authors/contributors. Tnx to everyone that have responded and to the folks that helped me to get this done. Now one small step remains - I need to understand whether or not the working group is ready to go ahead and request publication even though we know of an IPR (disclosure #1885), but don't know of the terms that the IPR owner will require from anyone implementing. Please remember that we can't discuss the content of the IPR, the only discussion we can have is what the working group want to do. Please respond according the model I indicated before: Either "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I think it is OK to continue and request publication." or "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I don't think it is OK to continue and request publication." Would be good to have these responses timely so we don't drag this out too long. /Loa (document shepherd) On 2013-08-20 14:51, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > (with my document shepherd hat on) > > I've had hoped to send the publication request for this document to the > IESG this week. However there is one thing I need the working groups > view before I go ahead and do so. > > We can't discuss IPRs explicitly on IETF mailing lists, but we can > decide on what the working group wants to do given the current > situation. You will have digest the information below, possibly do > your own digging in the IPR disclosure archives, etc. Before you send > a mail to the PWE3 wg mailing list with a very simple statement, e.g.: > > "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I think it > is OK to continue and request publication." > > or > > "Considering IPR situation for draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw I don't > think it is OK to continue and request publication." > > > There are two issues: > > Late IPR disclosures > -------------------- > > The early individual drafts that were merged in to the current wg > draft was published as early as Feb 2005. > > IPR disclosure #998 is from 2008-08-22; in itself this a "late" > (3.5 years) but would not be a matter or concern. > > IPR disclosure #1810 is from July 5, 2012, it is not possible to trace > this as an update to an earlier disclosure. It looks to me that this is > very late (8.5 years). > > IPR disclosure #1879 is from September 11, 2012, however this is an > update to #566 that was published April 14, 2005 and should not be > a problem. > > IPR disclosure #1885 is a third disclosure. Relating to an IPR from > a former employer of the disclosing party. > > > Non-disclosed rights for use of IPR > ----------------------------------- > I can't find any documentation with the an IPR disclosure from the > IPR holder of the IPR disclosed in #1885. > > Responses to the IPR poll. > -------------------------- > We have 20 authors/contributors that we have asked to respond to > the normal IPR poll. > > We have 18 responses that all says that the responders do not > know of any IPR other than those disclosed. > > Of these 18 there are three responses that have not been sent > to the list but directly the the wg chairs or the document > shepherd; from Luca Martini, Vasile Radoca and > Yohan(Yeong-il) Seo. > > There are two authors/contributors that has not responded; > Yetik Serbest and Mike Duckett. > > Note: > > Please don't respond to this mail in any other way than to > express your supoort/non-support to go ahead and request > publication!! Discussion of IPRs on IETF mailing list are > not appropriate. > > If you have information that I've not included in the mail > above send this uni-directional to me and I will update > accordingly. > > > /Loa > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From amalis@gmail.com Thu Aug 29 08:40:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF66E11E811B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:40:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aeRihGQL4rDm for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x231.google.com (mail-ob0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::231]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C24011E8118 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id f8so646779obp.22 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=VFxtpGIPNrGyiW6QzCeE73HdHOJoS9g9bQc4ZSKicXQ=; b=VvyitgocNVmxQJstbrFkZ9LvXy88CvlzJg0674b83iIKudTW0dX6ue/AFFGZbENI1m luy3LQNTXjQFijxIaOrBlsm8p67FDMu69etFPU+mzJUCcFru9DDRKjxG9+GOnS1nVnqv QWONsZBH8POY+l7euJlQmYtmLqUc/0tF/Y76088K3KPFPNdsdcKbQVppDMzrhV8GbVFT 22TCfq1EcU1lQv9sNiDWuPK4FOX5Ddlz5rPIdhA1j2QmwZwiHx4gXvkYLw5eCE16KWyG it+F+HDdJ56h1aaxZXv8/rwcowpVz+Q8vSpABfWglo81PPK/9R8uGQLOYs7PdNIMynCE z6Mw== X-Received: by 10.60.124.14 with SMTP id me14mr3013603oeb.4.1377790850769; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.27.69 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d33d43c2d6004e517ee7e Subject: [PWE3] Lost IETF email on Aug. 28 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:40:51 -0000 --047d7b5d33d43c2d6004e517ee7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The following notice has been sent out from the IETF secretariat to email senders affected by the following outage: We experienced a glitch with the Mailman system on Wednesday 28th August 2013 between 3.30pm PST and 8.55pm PST that resulted in some posts to mailing lists not being delivered. You are receiving this email because according to our records you sent an email to an IETF mailing list during this time. If your message to a mailing list has not been sent to you as a list member, or has not appeared in the list archive, you will need to re-send it. Of course, this includes the pwe3 list. So if you sent an email to the pwe3 list during this period, and don't see it in the pwe3 archive at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/maillist.html , then you should resend your email. You may wish to check your messages to other IETF lists as well. Thanks, Andy --047d7b5d33d43c2d6004e517ee7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--047d7b5d33d43c2d6004e517ee7e-- From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Thu Aug 29 14:59:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181F421E80D3; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:59:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.201, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BqVYfsQvfBJ5; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC1821E80C9; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:59:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: lmartini@cisco.com, florin.balus@alcatel-lucent.com, matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.70.p1 Message-ID: <20130829215903.18378.77509.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:59:03 -0700 Cc: pwe3@ietf.org, andrew.g.malis@verizon.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org, stbryant@cisco.com Subject: [PWE3] IPR Disclosure: Florin Balus' Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw-17 belonging to Rockstar X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:59:04 -0000 Dear Luca Martini, Florin Balus, Matthew Bocci: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Dynamic Placement of Multi Segment Pseudowires" (draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2013-08-22 and has been posted on the = "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2176/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Florin Balus' Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-pwe3-dynamic-ms-pw= -17 belonging to Rockstar.""); The IETF Secretariat From amalis@gmail.com Thu Aug 29 20:46:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BACE21E804B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BbhUfdIghs2w for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-x232.google.com (mail-ee0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c00::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBE521E8054 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f50.google.com with SMTP id d51so632233eek.37 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=X04sdL5vY2saP8fjAV0lihxrBSmcwdQskpo+4SYKZ2c=; b=hIAaRskCrRodQ1EQV374orwgr2e7isKVQG2WRXnBGvdg5Hu1q5hGiNlX5IAxIiMJUs MB9Ko1O8djcOxNbM99r4+8NYg4ZnBPyiuWMMT3QPNW2tO2B4QtIXg6LSedfWHcIlmYhj AN5mRfz6wKAiUIqpan+o7827MiPCbi++4InKx8qC2WKS8tLO0WKtiglwVijYfb4P/2It 5nu9F/tB0JHMcfUKybtzEJ4XOykEnktTXleOUXTQSWxijkbfsWDXrgY/Nphgq0g5Emb9 9V9I0HY0GxTPbQqiV7ZIrxf8gfbwVRxg+xdo85PYSmYifTf4HBZmN8d6fP9a569cPw/D 6+OQ== X-Received: by 10.14.126.73 with SMTP id a49mr9119353eei.48.1377834357172; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.172.196 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:45:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c275246b589504e5220f11 Subject: [PWE3] Fwd: Mailman service interruption yesterday X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 03:46:00 -0000 --001a11c275246b589504e5220f11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Glen Date: Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:39 PM Subject: Mailman service interruption yesterday To: Glen Barney Greetings: Yesterday the IETF experienced a 5.5-hour service outage on its Mailman list processor. In this failure, Mailman started dropping messages, rather than bouncing them, as it should have done. This was problematic, because there was not an immediate indication that something was wrong, nor was there any automated or manual way that this outage could have been detected quickly. Fortunately, Pete Resnick, noted that several of his emails were not being delivered, and notified the emergency alert server at that time. Following Pete's alert, Steve Young, the IETF system administrator, logged in to the system, and was able to analyze the problem and effect resolution. He was able to restore service to Mailman and verify that mail was now flowing directly. Steve reported that the cause of the outage seems to have been a permissions setting on a directory that was incorrect. We are still investigating whether the broken setting was due to software changes, or a filesystem problem, and will continue to take steps to ensure that the current system remains healthy and operational. Because of the nature of this outage, Steve was not, unfortunately, able to recover the lost email messages themselves. But he did spend several hours processing the mail logs during the outage period, and sent notifications to all the senders that he was able to locate in the log during the outage period, asking those individuals to resend their email messages. While not a foolproof response, this was a good course of action to take in an attempt to recover the lost messages. Service has been up and running continuously since 2100PDT yesterday, and no further outages have been observed. No other services were impacted or interrupted during this time. Although not specifically mentioned in the release notes, we attribute this to the older version of Mailman currently in use. We note that we are deploying new IETF servers with the latest versions of Linux and Mailman (and other support software) to our colocation facilities next week, and hope to migrate the IETF to those servers soon. This should increase reliability and - we hope! - resolve whatever bug may have caused Mailman to drop these emails. In addition it has come to my attention that no notification was sent out generally following this outage. I was out sick today, at a string of medical appointments, but I failed to make clear to AMS that someone else would need to send a notification in my absence. I apologize for the delay, therefore, in getting this notification sent out. Thank you for your patience. As always, if there are any questions, please let me know. Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) --001a11c275246b589504e5220f11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


---------- Forwarded me= ssage ----------
From: Glen <glen@amsl.com><= br>Date: Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:39 PM
Subject: Mailman service interruption yesterday
To: Glen Barney <glen@amsl.com>


Greetings:
Yesterday the IETF experienced a 5.5-hour service outage on its
Mailman list processor.

In this failure, Mailman started dropping messages, rather than
bouncing them, as it should have done. =A0This was problematic, because
there was not an immediate indication that something was wrong, nor
was there any automated or manual way that this outage could have been
detected quickly. =A0Fortunately, Pete Resnick, noted that several of
his emails were not being delivered, and notified the emergency alert
server at that time.

Following Pete's alert, Steve Young, the IETF system administrator,
logged in to the system, and was able to analyze the problem and
effect resolution. =A0He was able to restore service to Mailman and
verify that mail was now flowing directly.

Steve reported that the cause of the outage seems to have been a
permissions setting on a directory that was incorrect. =A0We are still
investigating whether the broken setting was due to software changes,
or a filesystem problem, and will continue to take steps to ensure
that the current system remains healthy and operational.

Because of the nature of this outage, Steve was not, unfortunately,
able to recover the lost email messages themselves. =A0But he did spend
several hours processing the mail logs during the outage period, and
sent notifications to all the senders that he was able to locate in
the log during the outage period, asking those individuals to resend
their email messages. =A0While not a foolproof response, this was a good course of action to take in an attempt to recover the lost messages.

Service has been up and running continuously since 2100PDT yesterday,
and no further outages have been observed. =A0No other services were
impacted or interrupted during this time.

Although not specifically mentioned in the release notes, we attribute
this to the older version of Mailman currently in use. =A0We note that
we are deploying new IETF servers with the latest versions of Linux
and Mailman (and other support software) to our colocation facilities
next week, and hope to migrate the IETF to those servers soon. =A0This
should increase reliability and - we hope! - resolve whatever bug may
have caused Mailman to drop these emails.

In addition it has come to my attention that no notification was sent
out generally following this outage. =A0I was out sick today, at a
string of medical appointments, but I failed to make clear to AMS that
someone else would need to send a notification in my absence. =A0I
apologize for the delay, therefore, in getting this notification sent
out.

Thank you for your patience. =A0As always, if there are any questions,
please let me know.

Glen Barney
IT Director
AMS (IETF Secretariat)

--001a11c275246b589504e5220f11-- From matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Aug 30 07:26:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3CD11E810A for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:26:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wRRQO5TQ5p1 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A272821F9C47 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-239-2-42.lucent.com [135.239.2.42]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id r7UEQ58o028684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:26:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id r7UEQ2x8031483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:26:04 +0200 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA05.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.1.215]) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.112]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:26:02 +0200 From: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" To: "pwe3@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for WG adoption of draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 Thread-Index: AQHOpYzaFKoE4BbeI06zDH61p3nVjQ== Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:26:02 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.6.130613 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.39] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CE466A084F679matthewboccialcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 Subject: [PWE3] Poll for WG adoption of draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:26:14 -0000 --_000_CE466A084F679matthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs determine if there is = consensus to adopt draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 as an PWE3 w= orking group draft. The draft can be found here: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04.txt Please read the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption, or = if you do not support adoption (giving reasons). Please note that this is only a call for adoption. There needs to be consen= sus that this draft is a good basis for the work, but it does not need to b= e perfect at this stage. The poll for adoption will close in two weeks time, on Friday 13th Septembe= r. Best regards, Matthew --_000_CE466A084F679matthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8114DA4E6CCAE54B94CCBC16AE99FE2C@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs determine if ther= e is consensus to adopt draft-= shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 as an PWE3 working group = draft.

The draft can be found here: 

Please read the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption= , or if you do not support adoption (giving reasons).

Please note that this is only a call for adoption. There needs to be c= onsensus that this draft is a good basis for the work, but it does not need= to be perfect at this stage.

The poll for adoption will close in two weeks time, on Friday 13th Sep= tember.

Best regards,

Matthew 
--_000_CE466A084F679matthewboccialcatellucentcom_-- From matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Aug 30 07:33:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE5011E8108 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAboMqzuWAfH for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0750611E80F5 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-239-2-42.lucent.com [135.239.2.42]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id r7UEXhOt005936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:33:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id r7UEXg5p004464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:33:42 +0200 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA05.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.1.215]) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.74]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:33:42 +0200 From: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" To: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" , "pwe3@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR check for draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 Thread-Index: AQHOpY3sooSzSxhx20KV7s2BDcJovw== Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:33:42 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.6.130613 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CE466B994F684matthewboccialcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 Subject: [PWE3] IPR check for draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:33:52 -0000 --_000_CE466B994F684matthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies t= o this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF= IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The draft will no= t be adopted until a response has been received from each author and contri= butor. If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an author or con= tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t= hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Matthew On 30/08/2013 15:26, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" > wrote: This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs determine if there is = consensus to adopt draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 as an PWE3 w= orking group draft. The draft can be found here: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04.txt Please read the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption, or = if you do not support adoption (giving reasons). Please note that this is only a call for adoption. There needs to be consen= sus that this draft is a good basis for the work, but it does not need to b= e perfect at this stage. The poll for adoption will close in two weeks time, on Friday 13th Septembe= r. Best regards, Matthew --_000_CE466B994F684matthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6CDDDE2DF7BA03498C14F1A8BE4D1B12@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Coincidentally, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that=  applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please resp= ond to this email whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. Th= e draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each author and contributor.=

 

If you are on the PWE3 WG email list but are not listed as an aut= hor or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are awa= re of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

Matthew


On 30/08/2013 15:26, "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" <matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.c= om> wrote:

This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs determine if ther= e is consensus to adopt draft-= shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 as an PWE3 working group = draft.

The draft can be found here: 

Please read the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption= , or if you do not support adoption (giving reasons).

Please note that this is only a call for adoption. There needs to be c= onsensus that this draft is a good basis for the work, but it does not need= to be perfect at this stage.

The poll for adoption will close in two weeks time, on Friday 13th Sep= tember.

Best regards,

Matthew 
 --_000_CE466B994F684matthewboccialcatellucentcom_-- From aldrin.ietf@gmail.com Fri Aug 30 11:28:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCB11E811A for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_27=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27A5apPr5aSz for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qe0-x22f.google.com (mail-qe0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F1A11E8114 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f47.google.com with SMTP id b4so1147731qen.34 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=05mBZw97gZ0TlcUT6qVzFb9v7gEbWTwmp4+c/gWlrgk=; b=vIc/IDaQL4qeC3i6u3yHxhSz/ypSXCrVeZj6r/yIklyRNQRzy3c1TE/fr9BWHOEZve lX3c3OhDVyauAWtJg2XtQsxgj0oa6lYuPI427MOHyUVsZt8LkyulBE95T4NZz3Ix9ofR tDCrXv+SxJQPrMEvEzWG3oIIZ03kKIWnLgyLwm6wRrTJ2jvKjTYs2pnjZnrjMcaBvrMz khQIp3ZbGSIxjC0YfqXLJ+5ZUErXqPexhmKdPnRGoOiOTzTV7K/KNKeX4yebcbkfsFGw 3Waq8kXmdYusomB+iw5bnshSGR9KFJuhRuIMolLoKtAtjTPxJ5DKFtKOFMtct4AtWq45 VB0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.73.200 with SMTP id r8mr10790950qaj.90.1377887311722; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.128.136 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:28:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: Sam Aldrin To: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3e420c1982404e52e633a Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] Poll for WG adoption of draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:28:33 -0000 --001a11c3e420c1982404e52e633a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I would like to see the following questions answered before the document could be adopted. Here are the reasons why. 1. The scope of the document says End point protection for SS-PW and MS-PW. But what it is failing to consider is the absence of signaling component. I do not see how this will work when the PW's are set up statically w/o the dynamic signaling in both SS-PW and MS-PW? 2. Would also like to see how the protection works, in terms of setup and working model, where a MS-PW is made of dynamically signaled SS-PW and statically setup SS-PW stitched to form a MS-PW. 3. By reading sec 5. the way I understood that this is only possible with control plane being present. If my understanding is incorrect, would like to see text detailing on how this could be achieved in the absence of CP(control plane). 4. In case CP is mandatory, I would like to see the document title and scope to change to reflect the same. thanks -sam On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) < matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs determine if there > is consensus to adopt draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 as an > PWE3 working group draft. > > The draft can be found here: > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04.txt > > Please read the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption, > or if you do not support adoption (giving reasons). > > Please note that this is only a call for adoption. There needs to be > consensus that this draft is a good basis for the work, but it does not > need to be perfect at this stage. > > The poll for adoption will close in two weeks time, on Friday 13th > September. > > Best regards, > > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > pwe3 mailing list > pwe3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 > > --001a11c3e420c1982404e52e633a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I would lik= e to see the=A0 following questions answered before the document could be a= dopted.
Here are the reasons why.

1. The scope of the= document says End point protection for SS-PW and MS-PW. But what it is fai= ling to consider is the absence of signaling component. I do not see how th= is will work when the PW's are set up statically w/o the dynamic signal= ing in both SS-PW and MS-PW?

2. Would also like to see how the protection works, in terms of s= etup and working model, where a MS-PW is made of dynamically signaled SS-PW= and statically setup SS-PW stitched to form a MS-PW.

3. By re= ading sec 5. the way I understood that this is only possible with control p= lane being present. If my understanding is incorrect, would like to see tex= t detailing on how this could be achieved in the absence of CP(control plan= e).

4. In case CP is mandatory, I would like to see the document= title and scope to change to reflect the same.

thanks
-sam


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) <= matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs determine if ther= e is consensus to adopt=A0draft-shen-p= we3-endpoint-fast-protection-04=A0as an PWE3 working group draft.

The draft can be found here:=A0

Please read the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption= , or if you do not support adoption (giving reasons).

Please note that this is only a call for adoption. There needs to be c= onsensus that this draft is a good basis for the work, but it does not need= to be perfect at this stage.

The poll for adoption will close in two weeks time, on Friday 13th Sep= tember.

Best regards,

Matthew=A0

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pwe3 mailing list
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--001a11c3e420c1982404e52e633a-- From yshen@juniper.net Sat Aug 31 06:40:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pwe3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA46511E80FF for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 06:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.799, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_27=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ye0QJ4JM+kfU for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 06:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD56311E80F9 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 06:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail175-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.227) by VA3EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.7.40.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:17 +0000 Received: from mail175-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail175-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D266E1C00D8; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.240.101; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0510HT004.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -21 X-BigFish: VPS-21(zz98dI9371I4015Izz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz1de098h1033IL17326ah186068h8275bh8275dh1de097hz2fh2a8h839h947hd24hf0ah1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1d07h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1de9h1dfeh1dffh1e1dh1fe8h1ff5h9a9j1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail175-va3: domain of juniper.net designates 157.56.240.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.240.101; envelope-from=yshen@juniper.net; helo=BL2PRD0510HT004.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; X-Forefront-Antispam-Report-Untrusted: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(24454002)(199002)(189002)(164054003)(377454003)(31966008)(74706001)(54356001)(80022001)(66066001)(69226001)(65816001)(15202345003)(56776001)(54316002)(77982001)(56816003)(77096001)(59766001)(63696002)(53806001)(83072001)(79102001)(76482001)(74876001)(51856001)(19580395003)(19580405001)(83322001)(74316001)(81686001)(74366001)(15975445006)(4396001)(50986001)(47736001)(49866001)(81542001)(81816001)(47976001)(81342001)(47446002)(80976001)(74662001)(74502001)(46102001)(33646001)(76576001)(76796001)(76786001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR05MB046; H:BY2PR05MB046.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:66.129.232.2; RD:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Received: from mail175-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail175-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1377956415755170_27566; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.236]) by mail175-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9965340041; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0510HT004.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.101) by VA3EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (10.7.99.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:15 +0000 Received: from BY2PR05MB046.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.34.144) by BL2PRD0510HT004.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.255.100.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.353.4; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:14 +0000 Received: from BY2PR05MB046.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.34.144) by BY2PR05MB046.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.34.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.745.25; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:11 +0000 Received: from BY2PR05MB046.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.10.19]) by BY2PR05MB046.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.10.37]) with mapi id 15.00.0745.000; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:11 +0000 From: Yimin Shen To: Sam Aldrin , "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" Thread-Topic: [PWE3] Poll for WG adoption of draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 Thread-Index: AQHOpYzaFKoE4BbeI06zDH61p3nVjZmuEluAgAEyELA= Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.232.2] x-forefront-prvs: 09555FB1AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: "pwe3@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PWE3] Poll for WG adoption of draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04 X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:25 -0000 Sam, Thanks for your questions.=20 This draft assumes LDP-signaled PWs, which is the case in most PWE3 deploym= ent. But we can add some text to also address the scenarios that you mentio= ned with static PWs or mixture of dynamic + static PWs. In fact, all the pr= ocedures in the draft will still apply in this case, except that you won't = need the LDP extension in section 5, because you don't have LDP.=20 So instead of running LDP between a pair of primary PE and protector, all y= ou need is static configuration on the protector to coordinate it with the = primary PE and make sure correct forwarding state is installed, so that the= protector can send redirected traffic towards the target CE. The PLR's beh= avior will be the same as currently specified. In particular, you will need= to do the followings on the protector. - know which primary PEs and primary PWs or PW segments that the protector = protects. - create a context label table for each primary PE. - install a label route for each protected PW or PW segment in the correspo= nding context label table. The next hop should be the backup AC (in the cas= e of SS-PW) or a label swap to the label of the next segment of the backup = PW (in the case of MS-PW). - point incoming bypass tunnel(s) to their corresponding context label tabl= e, to result in a label look-up in that table. Then your forwarding state is ready in place. This is applicable to static = SS-PWs, static MS-PWs, and static and dynamic MS-PW segment stitching. Esse= ntially, the forwarding state in the data-plane is the ultimate goal of thi= s PW endpoint protection. If your network already has LDP for PW signaling,= you can used the LDP extension to coordinate your protector with primary P= E. Otherwise, just use static configuration to achieve the same. Hope this has answered your questions. Thanks, -Yimin Shen Juniper Networks From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sam= Aldrin Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:29 PM To: Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) Cc: pwe3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PWE3] Poll for WG adoption of draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-p= rotection-04 Hi, I would like to see the=A0 following questions answered before the document= could be adopted. Here are the reasons why. 1. The scope of the document says End point protection for SS-PW and MS-PW.= But what it is failing to consider is the absence of signaling component. = I do not see how this will work when the PW's are set up statically w/o the= dynamic signaling in both SS-PW and MS-PW? 2. Would also like to see how the protection works, in terms of setup and w= orking model, where a MS-PW is made of dynamically signaled SS-PW and stati= cally setup SS-PW stitched to form a MS-PW. 3. By reading sec 5. the way I understood that this is only possible with c= ontrol plane being present. If my understanding is incorrect, would like to= see text detailing on how this could be achieved in the absence of CP(cont= rol plane). 4. In case CP is mandatory, I would like to see the document title and scop= e to change to reflect the same. thanks -sam On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) wrote: This email begins a two week poll to help the chairs determine if there is = consensus to adopt=A0draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04=A0as an PW= E3 working group draft. The draft can be found here:=A0 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-shen-pwe3-endpoint-fast-protection-04.txt Please read the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption, or = if you do not support adoption (giving reasons). Please note that this is only a call for adoption. There needs to be consen= sus that this draft is a good basis for the work, but it does not need to b= e perfect at this stage. The poll for adoption will close in two weeks time, on Friday 13th Septembe= r. Best regards, Matthew=A0 _______________________________________________ pwe3 mailing list pwe3@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3