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16:51:32 -0000 --==-=-= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Brendan Moran wrote: > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm not sure that I > understand the goal of using a CWT for a CoSWID or a SUIT > manifest. Would you be able to elaborate on why we should use CWT? I'm also in need of a diagram of how CoSWID and SUIT manifests and RATS EAT interact. 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I'm not sure that I > > understand the goal of using a CWT for a CoSWID or a SUIT > > manifest. Would you be able to elaborate on why we should use CWT? > > I'm also in need of a diagram of how CoSWID and SUIT manifests and RATS EAT > interact. I feel that the (optional) layer of signature in the CoSWID is > causing us to lose the forest for the trees... > I see why you might want a CoSWID or SWID in a CWT or EAT, but don't see the mapping for SUIT being preferred to CoSWID or SWID. Best regards, Kathleen > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > > > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > _______________________________________________ > RATS mailing list > RATS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats > -- Best regards, Kathleen --000000000000701df70598bc918b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 11:51 AM Micha= el Richardson <mcr+ietf@sande= lman.ca> wrote:

Brendan Moran <Brendan.Moran@arm.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm not su= re that I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > understand the goal of using a CWT for a CoSWID or a SUI= T
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > manifest. Would you be able to elaborate on why we shoul= d use CWT?

I'm also in need of a diagram of how CoSWID and SUIT manifests and RATS= EAT
interact.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I feel that the (optional) layer of signature in the = CoSWID is
causing us to lose the forest for the trees...

I see why you might want a CoSWID or SWID in a CWT or EAT, but don&= #39;t see the mapping for SUIT being preferred to CoSWID or SWID.

Best regards,
Kathleen=C2=A0

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Mon, 2 Dec 2019 15:15:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "Smith\, Ned" cc: "rats\@ietf.org" , Guy Fedorkow , "pritikin\@cisco.com" , Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay , "Henk Berkholz" , William Bellingrath In-Reply-To: References: <32083.1574668598@dooku.sandelman.ca> <1E5F7794-BA58-4D6D-928A-4B0E9C227B69@intel.com> <11202.1574848474@dooku.sandelman.ca> <16604.1574925807@dooku.sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] name of identity key X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:15:19 -0000 --==-=-= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Smith, Ned wrote: nms> Maybe it makes sense to talk about how the keys are used rather than trying to name them? > Well, I think that having it named "the key we use for Onboarding" is the > same as saying, "Onboarding Key", right? nms> Right. I thought you were looking for names such as "IDevID". It nms> could be the IDevID is the onboarding key or that the attestation nms> key is the onboarding key. Somehow the onboarding protocol selects nms> which key is used if both are available. Well, the issue I have, is that as an author of an onboarding protocol, there is no "somehow", just confusion at this point. I think that we really need to be a bit clearer here. > I don't know how the manufacturing process that involves a TPM with a TPM > attestation key works. I just know that when doing BRSKI, that there were > issues with being confused between various TPM keys, and we originally wrote > text saying that the device Serial Number might be in weird places. We later > ripped that text out, as time had changed things, and I'm worried that this > issue is not really dead. nms> There is still a possibility for a bootstrapping sequence post nms> factory shipment where "the onboarding key" doesn't yet nms> exist. Therefore, pre-onboarding is required to provision the nms> onboarding key. 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[173.201.192.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1F271200F1 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.76] ([76.167.193.86]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id bxkViCQ3mcEJHbxkViikUB; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:17:12 -0700 From: Laurence Lundblade Message-Id: <091DFC7E-E49A-4B32-8F29-576910AF0891@island-resort.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B4767A4F-7585-470C-872E-07BDD517CA07" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:17:11 -0800 In-Reply-To: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , Michael Richardson , "rats@ietf.org" , "suit@ietf.org" , sacm To: "Smith, Ned" References: <27435.1575305487@localhost> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPzLAI0cFgHKKyVo9TBr+xuYy3qowyHtUf34rYpGxrs09hTwrUw1tpMAyKDSLAFUsGosOLu9KIiXS8c41ckLSTfDjxFdIJXlBGEX9rLrIgjV6N8+GyAR nB0KyZox1lxx1VlLOYpKK9EV1Ly7f/fEOXw4DqBnAbTqs0g4kWKT4cqZFgGxkdVDNU8LQXGLsJwBD3UzKmGZtBGGsQB51htQkcjf3yFdntrxcHFglMScpcpC A4llEIGMWlRhHPnn26EE5A9Fy1bjfWUIaKD2Sb1X/BOHy3bouhP9wcM0/gpCgoXHBZuDYUevlc3mtFEJamlxuQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] [Suit] [sacm] CoSWID and EAT and CWT X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:17:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B4767A4F-7585-470C-872E-07BDD517CA07 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Ned, I think of CoSWID has a =E2=80=9Cdata structure=E2=80=9D or such that = can get defined once and re used for various use cases, attestation = related and not attestation related. EAT is one attestation use case. = Maybe evidence is another attestation use case, maybe not. There are = certainly the use cases it was created for before EAT came along. > On Dec 2, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Smith, Ned wrote: >=20 > EAT is a payload that can be exchanged between an Attester-Verifier or = Verifier-RelyingParty. > [Co]SWID is a payload that can be exchanged between Endorser-Verifier = or (possibly?) Attester-Verifier. > =20 > It is the latter use case context (Attester-Verifier) that is = potentially confusing because it presumes the [Co]SWID payload should be = wrapped by an EAT. In EAT, I think of a CoSWID appears as a claim along side the other = claims. It=E2=80=99s a big complicated / nest claim, but it is a claim. = I don=E2=80=99t think of it as wrapped. It is necessary to sit along = side the other claims in EAT for EAT to do its job. > =20 > The architecture slides presented at Singapore showed = Attester-Verifier interactions supporting multiple signed formats. = Therefore, it could be reasonable to consider [Co]SWID as yet another = payload format the Verifier needs to handle. It doesn=E2=80=99t seem helpful to create another attestation format = that is marginally different and confusingly related to EAT. Maybe there are use cases other than attestation where a CoSWID is = signed CWT-style, but I think they are other use cases for other working = groups to decide on. > =20 > Another consideration might question whether it makes sense for = [Co]SWID to be regarded as Evidence. Maybe it should be restricted to = Endorsements? There are clear EAT-based use cases that want SW inventory in the = attestation. ARM=E2=80=99s PSA is like this. Pretty sure the hum in = Singapore was in favor of that. Seems also that Cisco wants that for = their routers. So, definitely not restricted to Endorsements. > =20 > The SWID documentation seems to suggest that SWID structures should be = maintained on the Attester and updated when SW/FW updates occur. = Possibly, the installer is working with two objects SUIT manifests and = [Co]SWID structures keeping both maintained on the Attester? If this is = the case, then it might make sense to consider unifying them? That might = be the context for some of the list activity surrounding SUIT manifest = and [Co]SWID? I have little opinion about whether SUIT manifest and CoSWID should be = merged somehow, but it seems that SWID and CoSWID have massive use case = outside of SUIT and Attestation. I would hope you could create a CoSWID to represent the SW on the MacOS = device I=E2=80=99m using right now. It would be a big one. It certainly = doesn=E2=80=99t use SUIT and never will. > =20 > The important distinction from the perspective of the RATS = architecture is that Endorsements (signed by a mfg =E2=80=93 aka = =E2=80=9CEndorser=E2=80=9D) are still Endorsements even if they are = stored on the Attester and conveyed to a Verifier over a conveyance = protocol that supports conveyance of Evidence. Evidence and Endorsements = are signed by different keys. How they are conveyed isn=E2=80=99t = interesting to the Verifier per se. except where freshness is a = consideration. Yes. :-) Never occurred to me that Endorsements would flow that way, but seems = like a useful option! (That said, I=E2=80=99m not sure that the format of an Endorsement is in = our charter) LL > -Ned > =20 > From: Suit > on = behalf of Kathleen Moriarty > > Date: Monday, December 2, 2019 at 10:16 AM > To: Michael Richardson > > Cc: "rats@ietf.org " >, "suit@ietf.org " = >, sacm > > Subject: Re: [Suit] [Rats] [sacm] CoSWID and EAT and CWT > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 11:51 AM Michael Richardson = > wrote: >>=20 >> Brendan Moran > = wrote: >> > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm not sure that I >> > understand the goal of using a CWT for a CoSWID or a SUIT >> > manifest. Would you be able to elaborate on why we should use = CWT? >>=20 >> I'm also in need of a diagram of how CoSWID and SUIT manifests and = RATS EAT >> interact. I feel that the (optional) layer of signature in the = CoSWID is >> causing us to lose the forest for the trees... > =20 > I see why you might want a CoSWID or SWID in a CWT or EAT, but don't = see the mapping for SUIT being preferred to CoSWID or SWID. > =20 > Best regards, > Kathleen=20 >>=20 >> -- >> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh = networks [ >> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT = architect [ >> ] mcr@sandelman.ca = http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on = rails [ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Michael Richardson >, Sandelman Software Works >> -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> RATS mailing list >> RATS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats = >=20 > =20 > --=20 > =20 > Best regards, > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > RATS mailing list > RATS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats = --Apple-Mail=_B4767A4F-7585-470C-872E-07BDD517CA07 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi Ned,

I think of = CoSWID has a =E2=80=9Cdata structure=E2=80=9D or such that can get = defined once and re used for various use cases, attestation related and = not attestation related. EAT is one attestation use case. Maybe evidence = is another attestation use case, maybe not. There are certainly the use = cases it was created for before EAT came along.

On Dec = 2, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Smith, Ned <ned.smith@intel.com> wrote:

EAT is a = payload that can be exchanged between an Attester-Verifier or = Verifier-RelyingParty.
[Co]SWID is a payload that can be exchanged between = Endorser-Verifier or (possibly?) Attester-Verifier.
 
It is the = latter use case context (Attester-Verifier) that is potentially = confusing because it presumes the [Co]SWID payload should be wrapped by = an EAT.

In = EAT, I think of a CoSWID appears as a claim along side the other claims. = It=E2=80=99s a big complicated / nest claim, but it is a claim. I = don=E2=80=99t think of it as wrapped.  It is necessary to sit along = side the other claims in EAT for EAT to do its job.


 
The architecture slides presented at = Singapore showed Attester-Verifier interactions supporting multiple = signed formats. Therefore, it could be reasonable to consider [Co]SWID = as yet another payload format the Verifier needs to = handle.

It = doesn=E2=80=99t seem helpful to create another attestation format that = is marginally different and confusingly related to EAT.

Maybe there are use cases other than attestation = where a CoSWID is signed CWT-style, but I think they are other use cases = for other working groups to decide on.


 
Another = consideration might question whether it makes sense for [Co]SWID to be = regarded as Evidence. Maybe it should be restricted to = Endorsements?

There are clear EAT-based use cases that want SW = inventory in the attestation. ARM=E2=80=99s PSA is like this. Pretty = sure the hum in Singapore was in favor of that. Seems also that Cisco = wants that for their routers. So, definitely not restricted to = Endorsements.


 
The SWID = documentation seems to suggest that SWID structures should be maintained = on the Attester and updated when SW/FW updates occur. Possibly, the = installer is working with two objects SUIT manifests and [Co]SWID = structures keeping both maintained on the Attester? If this is the case, = then it might make sense to consider unifying them? That might be the = context for some of the list activity surrounding SUIT manifest and = [Co]SWID?

I = have little opinion about whether SUIT manifest and CoSWID should be = merged somehow, but it seems that SWID and CoSWID have massive use case = outside of SUIT and Attestation.

I = would hope you could create a CoSWID to represent the SW on the MacOS = device I=E2=80=99m using right now. It would be a big one. It certainly = doesn=E2=80=99t use SUIT and never will.

 
The = important distinction from the perspective of the RATS architecture is = that Endorsements (signed by a mfg =E2=80=93 aka =E2=80=9CEndorser=E2=80=9D= ) are still Endorsements even if they are stored on the Attester and = conveyed to a Verifier over a conveyance protocol that supports = conveyance of Evidence. Evidence and Endorsements are signed by = different keys. How they are conveyed isn=E2=80=99t interesting to the = Verifier per se. except where freshness is a = consideration.

Yes. :-)

Never = occurred to me that Endorsements would flow that way, but seems like a = useful option!

(That said, I=E2=80=99m= not sure that the format of an Endorsement is in our = charter)

LL




-Ned
 
From: Suit <suit-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, December 2, = 2019 at 10:16 AM
To: Michael Richardson = <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Cc: "rats@ietf.org" <rats@ietf.org>, "suit@ietf.org" <suit@ietf.org>, sacm <sacm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Suit] [Rats] = [sacm] CoSWID and EAT and CWT
 
 
 
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 = at 11:51 AM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> = wrote:

Brendan Moran <Brendan.Moran@arm.com> wrote:
  =   > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm not sure that = I
    > understand the goal of using a CWT = for a CoSWID or a SUIT
    > manifest. Would = you be able to elaborate on why we should use CWT?

I'm also in need of a diagram of how CoSWID and SUIT = manifests and RATS EAT
interact.   I feel that = the (optional) layer of signature in the CoSWID is
causing = us to lose the forest for the trees...
 
I see why you might = want a CoSWID or SWID in a CWT or EAT, but don't see the mapping for = SUIT being preferred to CoSWID or SWID.
 
Best regards,
Kathleen 

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Therefore, it could = be > reasonable to consider [Co]SWID as yet another payload format the Ver= ifier > needs to handle. That's an interesting take on things. My reading of CoSWID is that COSE signatures are almost an afterthought (appendix A), and in any case, would be produced by manufacturers rather th= an as evidence. It seems that inclusion of an unsigned CoSWID into a SUIT Manifest is appropriate as the manufacturer is authoritative for both. > Another consideration might question whether it makes sense for [Co]S= WID to > be regarded as Evidence. Maybe it should be restricted to Endorsement= s? I think that it makes more sense as Endorsement only, as such it falls outside of the normative part of the RATS architecture. > The important distinction from the perspective of the RATS architectu= re is > that Endorsements (signed by a mfg =E2=80=93 aka =E2=80=9CEndorser=E2= =80=9D) are still Endorsements > even if they are stored on the Attester and conveyed to a Verifier ov= er a > conveyance protocol that supports conveyance of Evidence. Evidence and > Endorsements are signed by different keys. How they are conveyed isn= =E2=80=99t > interesting to the Verifier per se. except where freshness is a > consideration. If the manufacturer-signed Endorsement is communicated within EAT, then it's not a seperate token format. It's just payload for a Evidence carrying EAT. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3mXV4ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVG2ggAqp+xKQJpC0U065oNdgd4eJdVQTu0+otSlqBFsr8MNsxeCETO48KyRb0D 2qCDKewn7bZ9fufneADCx/nqkSj39HfjsdK0dObXopXXVDTbgh2W8pyOnKuD/X0c Vdc6xnleQFZaHJPy7tg+qvbMYiCIX6mdWYMVYjAcwSPLtK7QUB5ZNUUueOWUmcMw nCbNKYSeSOhbdYkjJ6Ku/UWtYyzZtN13YVAS1mWrby40DdR6bhT0NYIPWOcBhNUt ANtIf473R9HwBilmqWgDPM5F7YBhUnU3MNGaAoAN/ad/fSC8X0kXnKFz6Bh1Y8op 1sL3RIGZJYyqqveeERp5jrzwnKxBCA== =3yaC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Dec 3 05:09:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6419312002E; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:09:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I9fd15391iSA; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.72.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C51F120043; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (mail.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.84.171]) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-10) with ESMTPS id xB3D95fR032340 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:09:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.16.50] (79.234.126.215) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.468.0; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:09:00 +0100 To: Michael Richardson , "rats@ietf.org" , "suit@ietf.org" , sacm References: <27435.1575305487@localhost> <19794.1575378270@localhost> From: Henk Birkholz Message-ID: <6a18b426-b11f-82e5-8758-93f79360b2a4@sit.fraunhofer.de> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:09:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19794.1575378270@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [79.234.126.215] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] [sacm] [Suit] CoSWID and EAT and CWT X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:09:11 -0000 As the I-D is trying to stay close to the ISO/IEC spec & as COSE is an "envelope" encapsulating a CoSWID tag, the guidance on signing is actually a bit detached to the structure of a CoSWID. Having said that. CoSWID can be measurements of installed SW components on an Attester and be part of Attestation Evidence. For this, they do not have to be signed - this depends on the level of assurance the Attest-ING Environment of the Attester can provide (e.g. via Endorsements from Endorsers, formerly known as Asserters). On 03.12.19 14:04, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Smith, Ned wrote: > > The architecture slides presented at Singapore showed Attester-Verifier > > interactions supporting multiple signed formats. Therefore, it could be > > reasonable to consider [Co]SWID as yet another payload format the Verifier > > needs to handle. > > That's an interesting take on things. > My reading of CoSWID is that COSE signatures are almost an afterthought > (appendix A), and in any case, would be produced by manufacturers rather than > as evidence. > > It seems that inclusion of an unsigned CoSWID into a SUIT Manifest is > appropriate as the manufacturer is authoritative for both. > > > Another consideration might question whether it makes sense for [Co]SWID to > > be regarded as Evidence. Maybe it should be restricted to Endorsements? > > I think that it makes more sense as Endorsement only, as such it falls > outside of the normative part of the RATS architecture. > > > The important distinction from the perspective of the RATS architecture is > > that Endorsements (signed by a mfg – aka “Endorser”) are still Endorsements > > even if they are stored on the Attester and conveyed to a Verifier over a > > conveyance protocol that supports conveyance of Evidence. Evidence and > > Endorsements are signed by different keys. How they are conveyed isn’t > > interesting to the Verifier per se. except where freshness is a > > consideration. > > If the manufacturer-signed Endorsement is communicated within EAT, then it's > not a seperate token format. 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 19:39:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9F62C59E-EDCC-407C-8CCA-7FD11A7182BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Dec 2, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Smith, Ned wrote: >=20 > In both Measured Boot and Verified Boot the Relying Party is applying = the (boot) Policy. > =20 > Maybe an exercise to map the various RATS roles onto the two forms of = boot (Measured/Verified) would be helpful? > Measured Boot: > Attester performs: RTM --- Component --- Component --- Component --- = End State > Verifier: Receives Evidence about the End State from the Attester and = produces an Attestation Result of the form (End State is/is-not = acceptable or it could also simply assert =E2=80=9CEnd State=E2=80=9D to = the Relying Party) > Relying Party: Boot Policy identifies Verifiers trusted to say end = state is/is-not acceptable or lists acceptable/unacceptable end states = that RP compares to Attestation Results asserted End State. > =20 Yes, this makes sense. > Verified Boot: > Attesting Env (aka Root of Trust) is the RTV. > Attested Env executes: --- Component(A) and becomes Attesting Env for = --- Component(B) etc=E2=80=A6 > For each stage of the boot process the Attesting Env Measures Attested = Env; Attesting Env performs the Verifier Role and Relying Party Roles = (as described above for Measured Boot). These are local Verfiers / = Relying Parties.=20 Conceptually and technically, I understand this frame up and its = generality. However, I think the spirit of work in RATS is that the verifier and = relying party are not local. The spirit of the definition of relying = party is that is separate from the device OEM, for example a bank or an = enterprise, that wants to know about device. Most implementations today use proprietary formats in their = implementation of Verified Boot. There are lots of idiosyncrasies to it = that depend on the HW and OS, boot speed requirements, updatability = requirements, manufacturing requirements and so on. It is not a design = goal of ours that Evidence and Result formats be useful for local = verification internal to Verified Boot.=20 Since this is IETF, we should make the IP-based network protocols our = focus. Here=E2=80=99s how I=E2=80=99d make some sense of the use cases for = these in RATS Verified Boot only The OEM of the device controls the SW on it. The end user does not. The = OEM provisions attestation key material that is only accessible when = Verified Boot succeeds. This is classic EAT. Measure Boot only The end user can install whatever SW they want. The OEM doesn=E2=80=99t = control it. A remote Boot Measurement is sent as an attestation to the = remote Verifier and on to the remote Relying Party. That Relying Party = decides if they trust the device by comparing to known-good-values. Verified Boot + Measured Boot The OEM controls SW on the device. The end user does not. Attestation = can be performed either EAT style or Measured Boot style or both at the = same time. If Measured Boot style, then a TPM is probably needed and = adds to the BoM cost. If EAT style, the extra BoM cost is in the key set = up and a little SW and HW to prevent the keys use when Verified Boot = fails. If both, then both BoM cost additions. I think we want to support all three in RATS. All that said, I don=E2=80=99t know that much about the use of Measured = Boot, in particular end-end use cases with a remote verifier and relying = party. It would be really helpful to have description of some real = concrete examples. LL --Apple-Mail=_9F62C59E-EDCC-407C-8CCA-7FD11A7182BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Dec 2, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Smith, Ned <ned.smith@intel.com>= wrote:

In both = Measured Boot and Verified Boot the Relying Party is applying the (boot) = Policy.
 
Maybe an exercise to map the various RATS roles onto the two = forms of boot (Measured/Verified) would be helpful?
Measured = Boot:
  • Attester performs: RTM --- Component --- Component --- Component --- End = State
  • Verifier: Receives Evidence = about the End State from the Attester and produces an Attestation Result = of the form (End State is/is-not acceptable or it could also simply = assert =E2=80=9CEnd State=E2=80=9D to the Relying Party)
  • Relying Party:  Boot Policy identifies Verifiers = trusted to say end state is/is-not acceptable or lists = acceptable/unacceptable end states that RP compares to Attestation = Results asserted End State.
 

Yes, this makes sense.


Verified Boot:
  • Attesting Env (aka Root of Trust) is the RTV.
  • Attested Env executes: --- Component(A) and becomes Attesting Env = for --- Component(B) etc=E2=80=A6
    • For each stage of the boot process the Attesting = Env Measures Attested Env; Attesting Env performs the Verifier Role and = Relying Party Roles (as described above for Measured Boot). These are = local Verfiers / Relying Parties. 

Conceptually and = technically, I understand this frame up and its = generality.

However, I think the = spirit of work in RATS is that the verifier and relying party are not = local. The spirit of the definition of relying party is that is separate = from the device OEM, for example a bank or an enterprise, that wants to = know about device.

Most = implementations today use proprietary formats in their implementation of = Verified Boot.  There are lots of idiosyncrasies to it that depend = on the HW and OS, boot speed requirements, updatability requirements, = manufacturing requirements and so on. It is not a design goal of ours = that Evidence and Result formats be useful for local verification = internal to Verified Boot. 

Since= this is IETF, we should make the IP-based network protocols our = focus.


Here=E2=80=99s how I=E2=80=99d make some sense of = the use cases for these in RATS

Verified Boot = only
The OEM of the device controls the SW on it. = The end user does not. The OEM provisions attestation key material that = is only accessible when Verified Boot succeeds. This is classic = EAT.

Measure = Boot only
The end user can install whatever SW they = want. The OEM doesn=E2=80=99t control it. A remote Boot Measurement is = sent as an attestation to the remote Verifier and on to the remote = Relying Party. That Relying Party decides if they trust the device by = comparing to known-good-values.

Verified Boot + Measured = Boot
The OEM controls SW on the device. The end = user does not. Attestation can be performed either EAT style or Measured = Boot style or both at the same time. If Measured Boot style, then a TPM = is probably needed and adds to the BoM cost. If EAT style, the extra BoM = cost is in the key set up and a little SW and HW to prevent the keys use = when Verified Boot fails. If both, then both BoM cost = additions.

I = think we want to support all three in RATS.

All that said, I don=E2=80=99t know that much = about the use of Measured Boot, in particular end-end use cases with a = remote verifier and relying party. It would be really helpful to have = description of some real concrete examples.

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16:07:55 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "Smith\, Ned" cc: Henk Birkholz , "rats\@ietf.org" , "suit\@ietf.org" , sacm In-Reply-To: <40A05013-D12A-4D16-9FE9-2E97D5D8EF90@intel.com> References: <27435.1575305487@localhost> <19794.1575378270@localhost> <6a18b426-b11f-82e5-8758-93f79360b2a4@sit.fraunhofer.de> <40A05013-D12A-4D16-9FE9-2E97D5D8EF90@intel.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] [Suit] [sacm] CoSWID and EAT and CWT X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 21:08:01 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Smith, Ned wrote: > I'm not clear if you are saying that an unsigned CoSWID is assumed to > be a statement from an Attest-ING environment or something > else. Normally, I regard unsigned assertions as invalid (verifiers > should not make assumptions). I believe that unsigned CoSWID structures will be inside another signed structure (such as a SUIT manifest), will be conveyed by secure transport (i.e. HTTPS or CoAPS transport of a RESTCONF mechanism that retrieves it), or will be stored in a trusted database. So, I agree with you that unsigned CoSWID objects in the wild would be invalid and unusual. > CoSWID structures can be signed by either Attesters (Attesting env) or > Endorsers. The CoSWID formatting is the same but the signers are > different and a Verifier might treat the CoSWID content differently > based on who signed it. For example, if an Attester signed it then a > Verifier would expect to find an Endorser signed CoSWID with which to > compare to Evidence. I'm a bit uncomfortable with the idea that a CoSWID signed by an Attester is the way that an Attester indicates what software release it is running. I would prefer that the structure was instead: EAT{protected_map{measurement-of-running-firmware=XX} S_endorser{firmware_version=YY,measurement=XX}} That is, the CoSWID provided by as part of the Evidence would echo the Endorsement. Of course, the Verifier would still have to be able to verify the endorser's key, but having done so, it now can consider the policy question: "is firmware_version YY new enough?" > Enveloping formats (e.g. EAT[CoSWID] ) doesn't disambiguate who signed > what. Both the EAT thing and the CoSWID thing could be signed and by > different signers. Alternatively, neither of them could be signed. If > the latter, then both the EAT and CoSWID things are invalid. 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<74222797-B10C-41E0-B16B-4B81AD27DF3A@intel.com> Cc: Monty Wiseman , "rats@ietf.org" To: "Smith, Ned" References: <5DB30E08-9AB2-452A-B8D6-55BFD0AE5264@island-resort.com> <34EB67FD-E76A-4132-87C4-C89EA70C9365@intel.com> <5A3105EA-8E54-4BB9-B266-96B6645811A1@island-resort.com> <3285c3da-0748-5607-90ed-ac024ac826d0@sit.fraunhofer.de> <0384FAEE-6C5B-4A99-BBA0-F080DD27AA9B@island-resort.com> <52AC3EB5-1BD0-4A41-8EAD-5A779E125BF8@intel.com> <06543a46-8218-fa9c-827f-8a0e2d364963@sit.fraunhofer.de> <7e387a02-4d49-3a52-572d-f7e61b4e729f@gmail.com> <29A9E618-69D4-4765-B516-2F8F69AB7406@island-resort.com> <86598EC5-8DA1-4A35-8C08-A30677BC0FF4@island-resort.com> <74222797-B10C-41E0-B16B-4B81AD27DF3A@intel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNoz2YvpABbjntRyJVQeLVaYH5mabq9GYWaiylJT44ZjCi/X6T3kJC7HAMAw2IEAjv+skh3wP4jcKSSWHreXWIWbN1qcPpN1g3tEPWmZT94GsckDdkMq z/ThR1KlEQ2yUxzFeYP5jO5YCQnkeCLjxgyyzn9RJ0Jcu/CAP7rmnWrJMUJ66wYMCM9h7/DdZI/Wqoc3fsHxaeU0YCHUCIXwv9wLzpUTPAEYHAN3PRE/LcJq Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] Two types of secure attestation X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 21:45:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BFDFC1BD-75E9-4CA9-922A-CEE8F1016250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Dec 3, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Smith, Ned wrote: >> Verified Boot: >> =C2=B7 Attesting Env (aka Root of Trust) is the RTV. >> =C2=B7 Attested Env executes: --- Component(A) and becomes = Attesting Env for --- Component(B) etc=E2=80=A6=20 >> o For each stage of the boot process the Attesting Env Measures = Attested Env; Attesting Env performs the Verifier Role and Relying Party = Roles (as described above for Measured Boot). These are local Verfiers / = Relying Parties.=20 > =20 > Conceptually and technically, I understand this frame up and its = generality. > =20 > However, I think the spirit of work in RATS is that the verifier and = relying party are not local. The spirit of the definition of relying = party is that is separate from the device OEM, for example a bank or an = enterprise, that wants to know about device. > [nms] Agree that the spirit of RATS is that Verifier is remote e.g. = =E2=80=9CRemote ATtestation procedureS=E2=80=9D. However, the = architecture should allow for (and not artificially constrain) RATS = Roles to be only remote since there are common scenarios that aren=E2=80=99= t remote. No artificial constraints seems OK as long as it doesn=E2=80=99t involve = any discussion time in the WG. We already have quite a lot to figure out = and shouldn=E2=80=99t burn time on it. My read is that is well outside = the charter.=20 > ... > =20 > Since this is IETF, we should make the IP-based network protocols our = focus. > [nms] And interoperable claims structures. Yes, interoperable claims carried over IP-based networks.=20 > =20 > Here=E2=80=99s how I=E2=80=99d make some sense of the use cases for = these in RATS >> Verified Boot only >> =20 >> The OEM of the device controls the SW on it. The end user does not. = The OEM provisions attestation key material that is only accessible when = Verified Boot succeeds. This is classic EAT. >> [nms] The Attester claims that a particular boot sequence occurred, = possibly without explicitly identifying which software was used? It is = up to the claim definition to define what it means to report the ending = state of a verified boot. This claim is an attestation in every sense of = the word. >> =20 >> Measure Boot only >> The end user can install whatever SW they want. The OEM doesn=E2=80=99t= control it. A remote Boot Measurement is sent as an attestation to the = remote Verifier and on to the remote Relying Party. That Relying Party = decides if they trust the device by comparing to known-good-values. >> [nms] +1 >> =20 >> Verified Boot + Measured Boot >> The OEM controls SW on the device. The end user does not. Attestation = can be performed either EAT style or Measured Boot style or both at the = same time. If Measured Boot style, then a TPM is probably needed and = adds to the BoM cost. If EAT style, the extra BoM cost is in the key set = up and a little SW and HW to prevent the keys use when Verified Boot = fails. If both, then both BoM cost additions. >> [nms] DICE is probably a good example of hybrid of verified + = measured boot. I don=E2=80=99t think it makes sense to stereotype RATS = claims in terms of a particular RoT. Systems with TPM can also implement = all of the above forms. > =20 > I think we want to support all three in RATS. > [nms] Agree, but it may not be in the form of a single = claim. It might make sense to use multiple claims. Possibly there should = be profiles for how a set of claims might be needed to support one of = the above three boot options? I=E2=80=99m not even sure there=E2=80=99s agreement that it should be in = the same signed attestation messages. So far that YANG module gives the = format for signing TPM output and that=E2=80=99s all it can sign. The = EAT draft says how to sign other forms of attestation and we=E2=80=99re = not so far defining claims where it carries TPM or TPM-like output. LL --Apple-Mail=_BFDFC1BD-75E9-4CA9-922A-CEE8F1016250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Dec 3, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Smith, Ned <ned.smith@intel.com>= wrote:
Verified Boot:

=C2=B7         Attestin= g Env (aka Root of Trust) is the RTV.

=C2=B7         Attested= Env executes: --- Component(A) and becomes Attesting Env = for --- Component(B) etc=E2=80=A6 

o    For = each stage of the boot process the Attesting Env Measures Attested Env; = Attesting Env performs the Verifier Role and Relying Party Roles (as = described above for Measured Boot). These are local Verfiers / Relying = Parties. 

 
Conceptually and technically, I understand this = frame up and its generality.
 
However, I think the spirit of work in RATS is = that the verifier and relying party are not local. The spirit of the = definition of relying party is that is separate from the device OEM, for = example a bank or an enterprise, that wants to know about device.
[nms] = Agree that the spirit of RATS is that Verifier is remote e.g. =E2=80=9CRem= ote ATtestation procedureS=E2=80=9D. However, the architecture should = allow for (and not artificially constrain) RATS Roles to be only remote = since there are common scenarios that aren=E2=80=99t = remote.

No artificial constraints seems OK as long as it = doesn=E2=80=99t involve any discussion time in the WG. We already have = quite a lot to figure out and shouldn=E2=80=99t burn time on it. =  My read is that is well outside the charter. 



...
 
Since this is IETF, we should make the IP-based = network protocols our focus.
[nms] And interoperable claims = structures.

Yes, interoperable claims carried over IP-based = networks. 


  
Here=E2=80=99s how = I=E2=80=99d make some sense of the use cases for these in RATS
Verified = Boot only
 
The OEM of the device controls the SW on it. The end user = does not. The OEM provisions attestation key material that is only = accessible when Verified Boot succeeds. This is classic EAT.
[nms] The Attester claims that a = particular boot sequence occurred, possibly without explicitly = identifying which software was used? It is up to the claim definition to = define what it means to report the ending state of a verified boot. This = claim is an attestation in every sense of the word.
 
Measure Boot = only
The end user can = install whatever SW they want. The OEM doesn=E2=80=99t control it. A = remote Boot Measurement is sent as an attestation to the remote Verifier = and on to the remote Relying Party. That Relying Party decides if they = trust the device by comparing to known-good-values.
[nms] = +1
 
Verified Boot + = Measured Boot
The OEM controls SW = on the device. The end user does not. Attestation can be performed = either EAT style or Measured Boot style or both at the same time. If = Measured Boot style, then a TPM is probably needed and adds to the BoM = cost. If EAT style, the extra BoM cost is in the key set up and a little = SW and HW to prevent the keys use when Verified Boot fails. If both, = then both BoM cost additions.
[nms] DICE is probably a good example = of hybrid of verified + measured boot. I don=E2=80=99t think it makes = sense to stereotype RATS claims in terms of a particular RoT. Systems = with TPM can also implement all of the above forms.
 
I think we want to support all three in = RATS.
          &nb= sp;    [nms] Agree, but it may not be in the form of a = single claim. It might make sense to use multiple claims. Possibly there = should be profiles for how a set of claims might be needed to support = one of the above three boot = options?

I=E2=80=99m not even sure there=E2=80=99s = agreement that it should be in the same signed attestation messages. So = far that YANG module gives the format for signing TPM output and = that=E2=80=99s all it can sign. The EAT draft says how to sign other = forms of attestation and we=E2=80=99re not so far defining claims where = it carries TPM or TPM-like output.

LL



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This is the case for 802.1X ethernet ports. EAP-TLS would carry the certificate, and it has a way to segment the payloads, I think. If not, DTLS does. The attestation would go into the TLS as data, inside the voucher-request, = so I don't imagine that there would be further size limitations. > =EF=BB=BFOn 11/22/19, 10:33 PM, "RATS on behalf of Michael Richardson= " wrote: >> discoverable by the Verifier. 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I think a RIV-style attestation > exchange could be added to the steps without deleterious interactions. 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Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:26:16 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "Smith, Ned" cc: "rats@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: <8B173958-FC2A-4D1D-A81C-F324AB632CD7@cisco.com> <147F9159-6055-4E55-ABDC-43DFE3498BF1@island-resort.com> <0A7E3A4F-8534-4E98-BCB7-1454E07699F4@island-resort.com> <1C8A1884-A37D-45E3-8C11-2FC5A083B245@island-resort.com> <7106C9D3-8ED1-419E-81F8-4CDA799BEDAE@intel.com> <6E7D64B4-2049-4D0A-ADC5-CA3F0647779B@island-resort.com> <10511.1574490818@dooku.sandelman.ca> <8363AFEC-C92C-466D-8F2C-CE7A3E94370B@intel.com> <22086.1575499045@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <22984.1575555976@localhost> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename) for Yang module draft X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 14:26:19 -0000 Smith, Ned wrote: > Smith, Ned wrote: >> The step-0 protocol may have payload size or timing limitations tha= t >> prevents fully attesting. This is the case for 802.1X ethernet port= s. > EAP-TLS would carry the certificate, and it has a way to segment the > payloads, I think. If not, DTLS does. > The attestation would go into the TLS as data, inside the voucher-re= quest, so > I don't imagine that there would be further size limitations. > That is one approach, other approaches include Evidence in > certificates. Sometimes protocols have upper bound on the size of th= e > certificate path payload. Doing attestation as part of a session > establishment (e.g. TLS handshake) is the trust semantics of > attestation apply to the session keys. If attestation is part of a d= ata > block, then it is possible for the trust semantics of attestation to= be > separated from the session endpoints. BRSKI connects the inside to the outside via RFC8366 vouchers, so the end points are really quite well pinned down :-) From nobody Thu Dec 5 10:07:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BA21209E4 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 10:07:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SGmz74GZ3srR for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 10:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 578B71209D4 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 10:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5EF3818F for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 13:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4608A37D for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 13:07:41 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "rats\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: <1882.1570451614@dooku.sandelman.ca> <29358179-382F-4660-B012-0327274343AE@intel.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] Supply Chain Attestation (was Re: 3 Use cases) X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 18:07:45 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Cleaning my inbox out, leads me to a thread I felt needed some love. I think that Ned Smith wrote: > I think there are 3 classes of nesting logic: > 1 Subcomponent(s) that are Attested by a parent component (single layer > attestation of a multi-layered decomposition) > 2 Subcomponent(s) that are Attested by a parent component and Attesting > other subcomponents (layered attestations) > 3 Subcomponent(s) that are Attested by more than one parent component > (e.g. countersigned or co-signed) Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > If you are just talking about the TEE case and not the manufacturer signing > use case, then the signatures do build from the base. But for what I would > call supply chain, the manufacturer or software developing organization is > the one to provide the signature and they know what software, modules. or > components they rely upon. Therefore, the 3 classes are not painting the > right picture for what I would call the supply chain use case. That's why > your nesting module looks different than what I stated, where I was talking > about what you are calling "endorsements'. I am not sure if we have resolved this. I think that we continue to have challenges with describing the component situation. I suspect that what we need to do is to be somewhat prescriptive here, rather than trying to make everyone happy with a single diagram. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3pR20ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVh3gf/bfYEmYWPjIevAFHp/rnqN/96T89baUlOSGV00wxmlRcXtWkDFvblhmQu V1P+0hQ6lCQzZ3uhUQAGXN+8gyROxbQqdnGiZLu72gaEgXJeYp69ynSZ2OEndLe6 XonjMeLMxlWMx3132OchorSOGUmJqYPi4iwTCsyqx8CtJsnxtOzIDBohSlTIMU47 mY6F9mfot/VRmXINfAe3lBJCG9ahOZoyIZ3AGcjKnE/+j98+EFfY1fpe/l3NapUn ue2tX4RX9IFWWc6KV/Ix0Q6wqDCbk8gn/cw+7oYUwEL2RDD0sQaNLg8YnsqQcz0p KlLrdVTaJ7qzimKOm01p1bedsYnsfg== =/zop -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Dec 5 14:48:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB691201A3 for ; 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X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 21:52:51 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/nonce Home: https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/eat Commit: 33282a2aba3f32eacbb267da4ccc7770690d9fa6 https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/eat/commit/33282a2aba3f32eacbb267da4ccc7770690d9fa6 Author: Laurence Lundblade Date: 2019-12-06 (Fri, 06 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-rats-eat.md Log Message: ----------- Remove confusing comment about nonce transport security From nobody Fri Dec 6 13:55:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E309C120C6D for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 13:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eg-jzThBvGvC for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 13:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A13E7120CFE for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 13:55:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 13:55:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575669300; bh=7kOt9lUE9gg+aZbY8W/EydqQNnHjwPYppUz7qE0KFeQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=cYiv9EHc7hU+YZfASBUIX2YW1399xml+MNtVC6wMIupHqp/665YJAckjyOeGcU7Bt sFgINUvX7ACcF9jypLnk3YHASikiDRxrTJw9dSqFcKgfiGe+oGocP6pJylOpkl4cNl UKxbke82ntvuCq9eNf3OlrRx2BzeT1ZJ1Iyza6jg= From: Laurence Lundblade To: rats@ietf.org Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: rats@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: Subject: [Rats] [ietf-rats-wg/eat] c237b9: revamp of submods and nested tokens X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 21:55:29 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/nonce Home: https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/eat Commit: c237b91135dcd940339e0860d33036e90dd9d941 https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/eat/commit/c237b91135dcd940339e0860d33036e90dd9d941 Author: Laurence Lundblade Date: 2019-10-31 (Thu, 31 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-rats-eat.md Log Message: ----------- revamp of submods and nested tokens Commit: 5bfb9df8c6c6043a71bc98c140a100e4a0c278c6 https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/eat/commit/5bfb9df8c6c6043a71bc98c140a100e4a0c278c6 Author: Laurence Lundblade Date: 2019-10-31 (Thu, 31 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-rats-eat.md Log Message: ----------- Revert "revamp of submods and nested tokens". It should be a PR, not a direct commit. This reverts commit c237b91135dcd940339e0860d33036e90dd9d941. Commit: bdb24b4b85f06781b66f92d6c458e489d39cd8ab https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/eat/commit/bdb24b4b85f06781b66f92d6c458e489d39cd8ab Author: Henk Birkholz Date: 2019-11-27 (Wed, 27 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-rats-eat.md Log Message: ----------- first attempt at fixing the CirclCI issues (and apparently xml2rfc) that creates an Error: Expected attribute "year" to be an integer, but found "n.d." 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-0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0F18_01D5B4C1.32E64FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, Hi Frank, Do you see functionality from:=20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palombini-ace-coap-pubsub-profile/= =20 Which does things not supported by RFC 8639, 8640, 8641, 8650, and = extensions from: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-birkholz-yang-push-coap-problemstatement-= 00.html=20 Note: one thing which would be great to have is the inclusion of the = nonce in RFC8639 as described in bullet (1) of=20 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rats/ajKp5aiSCmnA3hsj2LITxyvhNzY=20 I was planning on doing a draft submission on this once RATS had adopted = an architecture. But perhaps I shouldn't wait. Thanks, Eric > From: Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept), December 17, = 2019 9:18 AM >=20 > Hi Michael, > Thank you for bringing this reference here, I am sorry that I have = missed this > email before, but I have put it into my to-do list for future review = and hope > to learn something from this draft. >=20 > B.R. > Frank >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: RATS [mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Michael Richardson > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2019=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8822=E6=97=A5 10:49 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: rats@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Rats] pubsub data flow mechanisms (was Re: [core] = FW: [Ace] Call for > adoption draft-palombini-ace-coap-pubsub-profile) >=20 >=20 > I'm not very clueful about ACE pubsub, but in the space of the RATS = pubsub > interaction, we may be able to learn something here, or possibly we'd = want > to adopt the entire structure. >=20 > Francesca Palombini = > wrote: > > Ace has just issued a call for adoption on the profile of ACE = for > > pubsub, which aims at addressing the topic of security for = pubsub. > > Please head over there and comment on the call if f you are = interested > > in moving this work forward. >=20 >=20 > > Thanks, > > Francesca >=20 > > From: Ace on behalf of Daniel Migault > > > Date: Tuesday, 19 November 2019 at 16:45 > > To: Ace Wg > > Subject: [Ace] Call for adoption = draft-palombini-ace-coap-pubsub-profile >=20 > > Dear working group, >=20 > > As mentioned during the ACE meeting, this mail starts a call for > adoption for draft-palombini-ace-coap-pubsub-profile. 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Action: draft-ietf-rats-architecture-00.txt X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:27:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG of the IETF. Title : Remote Attestation Procedures Architecture Authors : Henk Birkholz Dave Thaler Michael Richardson Ned Smith Filename : draft-ietf-rats-architecture-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2019-12-17 Abstract: In network protocol exchanges, it is often the case that one entity (a relying party) requires evidence about a remote peer to assess the peer's trustworthiness, and a way to appraise such evidence. The evidence is typically a set of claims about its software and hardware platform. This document describes an architecture for such remote attestation procedures (RATS). 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 17 11:17:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B181208D6 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1yJTFuWpUrQ for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5709512089C for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112BA38981 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E7ED36 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: rats@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <157660366862.26412.9700698653688102390@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <157660366862.26412.9700698653688102390@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rats-architecture-00.txt X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:17:48 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG of the IETF. > Title : Remote Attestation Procedures Architecture > Authors : Henk Birkholz > Dave Thaler > Michael Richardson > Ned Smith > Filename : draft-ietf-rats-architecture-00.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2019-12-17 > Abstract: > In network protocol exchanges, it is often the case that one entity > (a relying party) requires evidence about a remote peer to assess the > peer's trustworthiness, and a way to appraise such evidence. The > evidence is typically a set of claims about its software and hardware > platform. This document describes an architecture for such remote > attestation procedures (RATS). While our -00 document posted today is far from complete, the design team felt it was worthwhile putting an initial stake in the ground to show our progress. 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Helo=[64aa7808-outbound-1.mta.getcheckrecipient.com] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR08MB4288 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rats-architecture-00.txt X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 16:29:55 -0000 Congratulations to the design team, this draft is looking useful already. > While our -00 document posted today is far from complete... Perhaps you may be nearer to completion than you might think - the document= will gain from being kept succinct! A couple of comments. Section 6: On the matter of Attested / Attesting environments: for readabil= ity, I agree that alternative names would help. Suggestions to promote dis= cussion: An 'Attesting Environment' could be called an 'Appraisal Environme= nt' or 'Appraisal Context'. Justification: Appraisal rather than Attesting = tries to capture the possibility that the component could potentially fail = the appraisal, while Attesting suggests it will always make a statement. Us= ing Context rather than Environment as the same component may alter role at= a different point of execution. Similarly, a suggestion for 'Attested Env= ironment' to be called 'Examined Context'. Section 7. Can the document also note that trust must be established between the Verif= ier and the Endorser such that Endorsements are known to be valid. The last paragraph, discussing the Verifier (policy) evaluation process mig= ht be better placed in the discussion of the Verifier in Section 4. With re= spect to the trust model, it should be sufficient to say that the basis of = the Verifier trust in the Attester Evidence can be use case dependant but w= ill need to be established based on the security available to the Attester. Thanks Simon -----Original Message----- From: Michael Richardson Sent: 17 December 2019 19:18 To: rats@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rats] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rats-architecture-00.txt internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts di= rectories. > This draft is a work item of the Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG of = the IETF. > Title : Remote Attestation Procedures Architecture > Authors : Henk Birkholz > Dave Thaler > Michael Richardson > Ned Smith > Filename : draft-ietf-rats-architecture-00.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2019-12-17 > Abstract: > In network protocol exchanges, it is often the case that one entity > (a relying party) requires evidence about a remote peer to assess the > peer's trustworthiness, and a way to appraise such evidence. The > evidence is typically a set of claims about its software and hardware > platform. This document describes an architecture for such remote > attestation procedures (RATS). While our -00 document posted today is far from complete, the design team f= elt it was worthwhile putting an initial stake in the ground to show our pr= ogress. Our next meeting is January 7, 10am EST. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D = IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. 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Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:29:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "Nancy Cam-Winget \(ncamwing\)" , "rats\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] RATS virtual interim doodle poll X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote Attestation Procedures List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:29:20 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: > There was interesting in having at least one, if not two virtual > interims before IETF 107, a doodle poll has been set up: > https://doodle.com/poll/p4pmnhrmqupc7sxn > Please choose the dates that work for you and we=E2=80=99ll try to pi= ck two > dates that work for (hopefully! everyone. Feb 17,18,19 is the RATS/TEEP/SUIT hackathon/tutorial in Berlin. I suggest removing that from your doodle. I concur with having one before the hackathon and one afterwards. 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