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From: "Shwetha Bhandari (shwethab)" <shwethab@cisco.com>
To: Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>, "Panwei (William)" <william.panwei@huawei.com>, Guy Fedorkow <gfedorkow@juniper.net>
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Sorry - I may be misunderstanding the request.  I did mention on the call t=
hat it would be desirable for RIV to also support EAT (https://tools.ietf.o=
rg/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat-03).  Examples include home routers (802.11) th=
at often do not have a HW TPM.

I did not however mention EAP (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3748), althou=
gh that could be an interesting use case for attestation.

-Giri Mandyam

From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Guy Fedorkow
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:37 AM
To: rats@ietf.org
Cc: Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay <jmfmckay@gmail.com>; Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit=
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Subject: [Rats] EAP and RIV

Someone asked about adding a protocol support for EAP to the RIV TPM Attest=
ation draft on the RATS call yesterday, but I wasn't quick enough to write =
down the name...  Could anyone interested in this contact me?
  Thanks
/guy



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sorry &#8211; I may be misunderstanding the request.=
&nbsp; I did mention on the call that it would be desirable for RIV to also=
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gh that could be an interesting use case for attestation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Giri Mandyam<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> RATS &lt;rats-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>O=
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Guy Fedorkow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> rats@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay &lt;jmfmckay@gmail.com&gt;; Eric Voit (=
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<b>Subject:</b> [Rats] EAP and RIV<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Someone asked about adding a protocol support for EA=
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8217;t quick enough to write down the name&#8230;&nbsp; Could anyone intere=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">/guy<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi Giri,

  I'm sure the exchanges described in RIV to validate authenticity of the
software infrastructure could be carried in EAT format, although I don't
know the EAT operational environment well enough to know if there's someone
who'd use it.

  RIV without the TPM is a bit further afield, for a couple of reasons:

*	For better or worse, the TPM data structures are idiosyncratic.
Alan Turing would say that any computer could replicate them, but that
doesn't mean it would be a good idea, if there's no TPM under there.  If
there's a use case that provides a credible firmware TPM with no hardware
chip under it, and EAT is the right protocol, that's a different matter.
*	More broadly, RIV as it now stands assumes the security environment
outlined in the Security Considerations section of the draft.  As I
understand it, a number of the assumptions there are not of interest in the
EAT world.

  Let me know if I'm missing the intent of your question, though!

 

Thanks

/guy

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Giridhar Mandyam
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 8:19 PM
To: rats@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Rats] EAP and RIV

 

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Sorry - I may be misunderstanding the request.  I did mention on the call
that it would be desirable for RIV to also support EAT
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat-03
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat-
03__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!QCFXstAmbwteEHm3-wmya3RFwSPeg7qJ9EmW4_hxpzF3gKZapd62eQtVr
3taRK5fX_M$> ).  Examples include home routers (802.11) that often do not
have a HW TPM.

 

I did not however mention EAP (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3748
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3748__;!!NEt6yMaO
-gk!QCFXstAmbwteEHm3-wmya3RFwSPeg7qJ9EmW4_hxpzF3gKZapd62eQtVr3taGIjDOik$> ),
although that could be an interesting use case for attestation.

 

-Giri Mandyam

 

From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org> > On Behalf
Of Guy Fedorkow
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:37 AM
To: rats@ietf.org <mailto:rats@ietf.org> 
Cc: Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay <jmfmckay@gmail.com <mailto:jmfmckay@gmail.com>
>; Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit@cisco.com <mailto:evoit@cisco.com> >
Subject: [Rats] EAP and RIV

 

Someone asked about adding a protocol support for EAP to the RIV TPM
Attestation draft on the RATS call yesterday, but I wasn't quick enough to
write down the name.  Could anyone interested in this contact me?

  Thanks

/guy

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

 

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Giri,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
I&#8217;m sure the exchanges described in RIV to validate authenticity =
of the software infrastructure could be carried in EAT format, although =
I don&#8217;t know the EAT operational environment well enough to know =
if there&#8217;s someone who&#8217;d use it.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; RIV without the TPM is a bit further afield, =
for a couple of reasons:<o:p></o:p></p><ul style=3D'margin-top:0in' =
type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>For better or worse, =
the TPM data structures are idiosyncratic.&nbsp; Alan Turing would say =
that any computer could replicate them, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it =
would be a good idea, if there&#8217;s no TPM under there.&nbsp; If =
there&#8217;s a use case that provides a credible firmware TPM with no =
hardware chip under it, and EAT is the right protocol, that&#8217;s a =
different matter.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>More broadly, RIV as =
it now stands assumes the security environment outlined in the Security =
Considerations section of the draft.&nbsp; As I understand it, a number =
of the assumptions there are not of interest in the EAT =
world.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; Let me know if =
I&#8217;m missing the intent of your question, though!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>/guy<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3Dmsipfooter30b3d538 =
align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>Juniper Business Use =
Only</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> RATS =
&lt;rats-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Giridhar =
Mandyam<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 4, 2020 8:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
rats@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rats] EAP and =
RIV<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;color:black'>[Ext=
ernal Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sorry =
&#8211; I may be misunderstanding the request.&nbsp; I did mention on =
the call that it would be desirable for RIV to also support EAT (<a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-rats-eat-03__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!QCFXstAmbwteEHm3-wmya3RFwSPeg7qJ9EmW4_hxpzF3=
gKZapd62eQtVr3taRK5fX_M$">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat=
-03</a>).&nbsp; Examples include home routers (802.11) that often do not =
have a HW TPM.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I did not =
however mention EAP (<a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3748__;=
!!NEt6yMaO-gk!QCFXstAmbwteEHm3-wmya3RFwSPeg7qJ9EmW4_hxpzF3gKZapd62eQtVr3t=
aGIjDOik$">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3748</a>), although that could =
be an interesting use case for attestation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-Giri =
Mandyam<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> RATS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org">rats-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Guy Fedorkow<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 29, =
2020 10:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Jessica =
Fitzgerald-McKay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jmfmckay@gmail.com">jmfmckay@gmail.com</a>&gt;; Eric Voit =
(evoit) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:evoit@cisco.com">evoit@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b=
> [Rats] EAP and RIV<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Someone =
asked about adding a protocol support for EAP to the RIV TPM Attestation =
draft on the RATS call yesterday, but I wasn&#8217;t quick enough to =
write down the name&#8230;&nbsp; Could anyone interested in this contact =
me?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>/guy<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3Dmsipfooter30b3d538 =
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Hi,

+1 for adoption.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
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40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Hello RATs participants,
>
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> This email begins a 2 week adoption call (ending on May 18)
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation/
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> If you have objections to adopting this draft, please respond by EOD May
> 18.
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> Thanks, Nancy
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>+1 for adoption.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>- Ira</div><div><br></div><div><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Softwa=
re Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG</div><div>Co-=
Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Chair - L=
inux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working G=
roup<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Desi=
gnated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<b=
r><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/bl=
ueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</=
a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/sit=
e/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>(permanent) PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais,=
 MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:24 PM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &lt;ncamwing=
=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_534376573232055114WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">Hello RATs participan=
ts,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">This email begins a 2=
 week adoption call (ending on May 18)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fe=
dorkow-rats-network-device-attestation/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation/</a><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you have objections to adopting this draft, pleas=
e respond by EOD May 18.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Nancy<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p>
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Hi Nancy,
hi list,

this is NOT an objection (and therefore blatantly redundant).

I am in support of this I-D being adopted as a,

* standalone,
* informational,
* profile of the architecture,
* in support of solutions I-Ds, such as the yang-charra-tpm I-D

My pro "hum without solicitation" to adoption is based on the 
presentation of Guy and Eric at the last RATS virtual interim meeting.

Viele Grüße,

Henk

On 05.05.20 01:24, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote:
> Hello RATs participants,
> 
> This email begins a 2 week adoption call (ending on May 18)
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation/
> 
> If you have objections to adopting this draft, please respond by EOD May 18.
> 
> Thanks, Nancy
> 
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Please take the survey if you have not already done so.  We'd like your
opinions reflected in the results.

Thank you,
Kathleen

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From: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
Date: Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:48 AM
Subject: Fwd: Reminder: Survey on planning for possible online IETF meetings
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Please circulate this to your working group lists. The survey data will be
very important as we plan future IETF meetings.

Thanks,
Alissa

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *IETF Executive Director <exec-director@ietf.org>
*Subject: **Reminder: Survey on planning for possible online IETF meetings*
*Date: *May 4, 2020 at 3:03:35 AM EDT
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This is a reminder that we need the IETF community to help us plan for the
possibility that one or more upcoming IETF meetings in 2020 and possibly
2021 may not be able to go ahead in person.  You can help us with this by
filling out the following survey:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ

So far we have 114 responses and we would ideally like 500 or more.

The survey contains the following pages and will take 15-20 minutes to
complete:

1. Welcome
2. Online IETF 107 and the subsequent virtual interims
3. Replacing a cancelled in-person meeting
4. Online meeting format and timezone
5. Replicating humming
6. Replicating the hallway environment
7. Fees
8. Thanks and anything else

We run the survey in anonymous mode which means that we only see data that
you explicitly provide.

Thank you in advance for your help.

-- 
Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair
Jay Daley, IETF Executive Director
Colin Perkins, IRTF Chair

_______________________________________________
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Best regards,
Kathleen

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nks,</div><div>Alissa<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Begin forw=
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ca,sans-serif">IETF Executive Director &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:exec-director@=
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 is a reminder that we need the IETF community to help us plan for the poss=
ibility that one or more upcoming IETF meetings in 2020 and possibly 2021 m=
ay not be able to go ahead in person.=C2=A0 You can help us with this by fi=
lling out the following survey: <br><br><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap=
">	</span><a href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5328FFJ</a><br><br>So far we have 114 re=
sponses and we would ideally like 500 or more.<br><br>The survey contains t=
he following pages and will take 15-20 minutes to complete:<br><br>1. Welco=
me<br>2. Online IETF 107 and the subsequent virtual interims<br>3. Replacin=
g a cancelled in-person meeting<br>4. Online meeting format and timezone<br=
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s<br>8. Thanks and anything else<br><br>We run the survey in anonymous mode=
 which means that we only see data that you explicitly provide.<br><br>Than=
k you in advance for your help.<br><br>-- <br>Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair<br>=
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+1 yes support the adoption of draft.


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Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com> wrote:
    > In August of 2019 I said that, upon request of the working group chair,
    > the Secretariat would post WebEx recordings of interim meetings to the
    > working group's playlist in the IETF YouTube channel [1]. I also noted
    > that we hoped to remove the requirement that the chair initiate the
    > process through a formal request, since it's clear that most chairs
    > want this to happen as readily as possible.

    > I'm pleased to report that, starting today, we will begin uploading all
    > interim meeting recordings to WebEx, in weekly batches. We will make
    > this a regular part of the Secretariat's work flow.

...

    > 1) This is *only* for interim meetings: we are not planning to
    > proactively publish other recordings (e.g. design team meetings)

When asked a few times to clear out the RATS Architecture Design Team
recordings (which are in my account), I have asked to have them uploaded, but
the message hasn't been getting through.

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The plan is that this stays TPM-specific, right? That seems like a good =
choice as accommodating EAT would be a lot of work and change the scope =
of this document in a big way.

I also assume this is largely focused on network equipment and that it =
won=E2=80=99t attempt to address use cases like mobile phones and that =
it may be considered to have limited applicability for some IoT devices.

Assuming it is TPM and network specific, I think it is fine (+1 on =
adoption), but I think it needs to be clear about this in the =
Introduction and perhaps in other places.

LL




> On May 4, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) =
<ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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> Hello RATs participants,
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> This email begins a 2 week adoption call (ending on May 18)
> =20
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attest=
ation/ =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attes=
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> =20
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> =20
> Thanks, Nancy
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like a good choice as accommodating EAT would be a lot of work and =
change the scope of this document in a big way.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I also assume this is largely focused =
on network equipment and that it won=E2=80=99t attempt to address use =
cases like mobile phones and that it may be considered to have limited =
applicability for some IoT devices.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Assuming it is TPM and network =
specific, I think it is fine (+1 on adoption), but I think it needs to =
be clear about this in the Introduction and perhaps in other =
places.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">LL</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May =
4, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" =
class=3D"">ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Hello RATs participants,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">This email begins =
a 2 week adoption call (ending on May 18)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-devic=
e-attestation/" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: =
underline;" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-de=
vice-attestation/</a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">If you have objections to adopting this draft, please respond =
by EOD May 18.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Thanks, Nancy<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><span style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
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white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
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Yes, it's TPM-specific.

Thx,

  /guy

 

 

 

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From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
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Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of
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Hi Laurence,

I believe so, as it is currently written, I think of it more as a profile
for the -charra- draft.  The question was also asked at the virtual and the
author's intent is to keep it TPM specific.

 

Thanks, Nancy

 

From: Laurence Lundblade <lgl@island-resort.com
<mailto:lgl@island-resort.com> >
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 9:58 AM
To: ncamwing <ncamwing@cisco.com <mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com> >
Cc: "rats@ietf.org <mailto:rats@ietf.org> " <rats@ietf.org
<mailto:rats@ietf.org> >
Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation

 

The plan is that this stays TPM-specific, right? That seems like a good
choice as accommodating EAT would be a lot of work and change the scope of
this document in a big way.

 

I also assume this is largely focused on network equipment and that it won't
attempt to address use cases like mobile phones and that it may be
considered to have limited applicability for some IoT devices.

 

Assuming it is TPM and network specific, I think it is fine (+1 on
adoption), but I think it needs to be clear about this in the Introduction
and perhaps in other places.

 

LL

 

 

 

 

On May 4, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
<ncamwing=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org
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Hello RATs participants,

 

This email begins a 2 week adoption call (ending on May 18)

 

 
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If you have objections to adopting this draft, please respond by EOD May 18.

 

Thanks, Nancy

 

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, =
it&#8217;s TPM-specific.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thx,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; =
/guy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3Dmsipfooter30b3d538 =
align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>Juniper Business Use =
Only</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> RATS =
&lt;rats-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nancy Cam-Winget =
(ncamwing)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Laurence Lundblade &lt;lgl@island-resort.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
rats@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation<o:p></o:p></p></div></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;color:black'>[Ext=
ernal Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Laurence,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe so, as it is =
currently written, I think of it more as a profile for the -charra- =
draft.&nbsp; The question was also asked at the virtual and the =
author&#8217;s intent is to keep it TPM specific.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks, =
Nancy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Laurence Lundblade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:lgl@island-resort.com">lgl@island-resort.com</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Date: </b>Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 9:58 AM<br><b>To: </b>ncamwing =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: =
</b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a>&quot; =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: =
</b>Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The plan is that this stays TPM-specific, right? That =
seems like a good choice as accommodating EAT would be a lot of work and =
change the scope of this document in a big =
way.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
also assume this is largely focused on network equipment and that it =
won&#8217;t attempt to address use cases like mobile phones and that it =
may be considered to have limited applicability for some IoT =
devices.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Assuming it is TPM and network specific, I think it is =
fine (+1 on adoption), but I think it needs to be clear about this in =
the Introduction and perhaps in other =
places.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>LL<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On May 4, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget =
(ncamwing) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ncamwing=3D40cisco.=
com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hello RATs participants,<span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This email begins a 2 week adoption call (ending on =
May 18)<span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!QyzEo2noV0MJBb=
Pn5RW9pQjkbKwvXielWj8jhSzECV2jtVj_pPio3E_QzyPY6Z3NYTk$"><span =
style=3D'color:#954F72'>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-r=
ats-network-device-attestation/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>If you have =
objections to adopting this draft, please respond by EOD May =
18.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks, =
Nancy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
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Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation
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Hi Nancy,

  I=E2=80=99m ok with the long title.  I=E2=80=99ll send you the stuff =
you=E2=80=99ve requested in a separate message.

  Thanks!

/guy

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=20

From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dave Thaler
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:09 PM
To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; =
rats@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation

=20

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

=20

A bit long but ok with me if others are ok with the length.

=20

From: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> >=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:14 PM
To: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com <mailto:dthaler@microsoft.com> >; =
rats@ietf.org <mailto:rats@ietf.org>=20
Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation

=20

Thanks Dave=E2=80=A6.how about:  =
draft-ietf-rats-tpm-based-network-device-attestation to be a little more =
consistant with the title and capture the intent of the document?

=20

From: Dave Thaler <dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> >
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:44 PM
To: ncamwing <ncamwing@cisco.com <mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com> >, =
"rats@ietf.org <mailto:rats@ietf.org> " <rats@ietf.org =
<mailto:rats@ietf.org> >
Subject: RE: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation

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Regarding =E2=80=9Cplease rename the file =
draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6

The title was changed in response to feedback, by adding =
=E2=80=9CTPM-based=E2=80=9D in front.

I would recommend that the title also be similarly clarified by having =
=E2=80=93tpm- somewhere in the filename.

=20

From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org> > On =
Behalf Of Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:27 PM
To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> >; rats@ietf.org =
<mailto:rats@ietf.org>=20
Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation

=20

Thank you all who have responded positive on the adoption both on the =
virtual interim call (for which there was strong consensus) and on the =
email.

=20

The working group now adopts this draft and we can place it in the RATs =
WG repository of adopted documents.=20

Authors, please rename the file =
draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00 and provide me your GitHub =
id=E2=80=99s so I can create the repository=20

In https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg =
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.co=
m/?url=3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fgithub.com*2Fietf-rats-wg&data=3D02*7C01*7Cdthaler=
*40microsoft.com*7Cda9a71d4909044ffcd5a08d7fc638c0b*7C72f988bf86f141af91a=
b2d7cd011db47*7C1*7C0*7C637255376798849665&sdata=3DTyW*2FtOHmon1N9sxACdLZ=
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k!RMV0q6qmXB6WP2zm1MBA5LhbxVs0_DeVvhGpMNpTH8POP-jOTJK1Ryxj3PQref__9fs$>  =
and have you move the document there for us to track issues and updates.

=20

Best, Nancy

=20

From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org> > on =
behalf of "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" =
<ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> >
Date: Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:25 PM
To: "rats@ietf.org <mailto:rats@ietf.org> " <rats@ietf.org =
<mailto:rats@ietf.org> >
Subject: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation

=20

Hello RATs participants,

=20

This email begins a 2 week adoption call (ending on May 18)

=20

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attes=
tation/ =
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.co=
m/?url=3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdatatracker.ietf.org*2Fdoc*2Fdraft-fedorkow-rats-n=
etwork-device-attestation*2F&data=3D02*7C01*7Cdthaler*40microsoft.com*7Cd=
a9a71d4909044ffcd5a08d7fc638c0b*7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47*7C1*7C=
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Z28*3D&reserved=3D0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!NEt6yMaO-gk!RMV0q6qmXB6WP2z=
m1MBA5LhbxVs0_DeVvhGpMNpTH8POP-jOTJK1Ryxj3PQrTU1bpvk$>=20

=20

If you have objections to adopting this draft, please respond by EOD May =
18.

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Thanks, Nancy

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Hi =
Nancy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m ok with the long =
title.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll send you the stuff you=E2=80=99ve requested in =
a separate message.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>=C2=A0 Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>/guy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> RATS &lt;rats-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Dave Thaler<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:09 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) =
&lt;ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;; =
rats@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;color:black'>[Ext=
ernal Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A bit =
long but ok with me if others are ok with the =
length.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div=
><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ncamwing=3D40cisco.=
com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:14 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Dave Thaler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dthaler@microsoft.com">dthaler@microsoft.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks =
Dave=E2=80=A6.how about:&nbsp; =
draft-ietf-rats-tpm-based-network-device-attestation to be a little more =
consistant with the title and capture the intent of the =
document?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'>Dave Thaler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org">dthaler=3D40micr=
osoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 19, 2020 =
at 6:44 PM<br><b>To: </b>ncamwing &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: =
</b>RE: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regarding =E2=80=9C</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>please rename the file =
draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The title was changed in =
response to feedback, by adding =E2=80=9CTPM-based=E2=80=9D in =
front.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I would recommend that the =
title also be similarly clarified by having =E2=80=93tpm- somewhere in =
the filename.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div=
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0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> RATS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org">rats-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
May 19, 2020 6:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ncamwing=3D40cisco.=
com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div=
></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Thank you all who =
have responded positive on the adoption both on the virtual interim call =
(for which there was strong consensus) and on the =
email.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>The working group now =
adopts this draft and we can place it in the RATs WG repository of =
adopted documents. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Authors, please rename the file =
draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00 and provide me your GitHub =
id=E2=80=99s so I can create the repository </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>In </span><a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam06.safelinks.protection.out=
look.com/?url=3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fgithub.com*2Fietf-rats-wg&amp;data=3D02*7C0=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> and have you move the document there for us =
to track issues and updates.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Best, =
Nancy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'>RATS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org">rats-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on =
behalf of &quot;Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ncamwing=3D40cisco.=
com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:25 =
PM<br><b>To: </b>&quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org">rats@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: =
</b>[Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Hello RATs =
participants,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>This email begins a 2 =
week adoption call (ending on May 18)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam06.safelinks.protection.out=
look.com/?url=3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fdatatracker.ietf.org*2Fdoc*2Fdraft-fedorkow=
-rats-network-device-attestation*2F&amp;data=3D02*7C01*7Cdthaler*40micros=
oft.com*7Cda9a71d4909044ffcd5a08d7fc638c0b*7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011=
db47*7C1*7C0*7C637255376798849665&amp;sdata=3DStR0Z2Lj50*2B4rhAIGQ09si15F=
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-gk!RMV0q6qmXB6WP2zm1MBA5LhbxVs0_DeVvhGpMNpTH8POP-jOTJK1Ryxj3PQrTU1bpvk$"=
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-atte=
station/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you have objections to adopting this draft, please =
respond by EOD May 18.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks, =
Nancy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body=
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+1.000000000 (a bit long, but OK)

LL

> On May 19, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Dave Thaler =
<dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>=20
> A bit long but ok with me if others are ok with the length.
> =20
> From: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) =
<ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>=20
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:14 PM
> To: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>; rats@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation
> =20
> Thanks Dave=E2=80=A6.how about:  =
draft-ietf-rats-tpm-based-network-device-attestation to be a little more =
consistant with the title and capture the intent of the document?
> =20
> From: Dave Thaler <dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:44 PM
> To: ncamwing <ncamwing@cisco.com <mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com>>, =
"rats@ietf.org <mailto:rats@ietf.org>" <rats@ietf.org =
<mailto:rats@ietf.org>>
> Subject: RE: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation
> =20
> Regarding =E2=80=9Cplease rename the file =
draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6
> The title was changed in response to feedback, by adding =
=E2=80=9CTPM-based=E2=80=9D in front.
> I would recommend that the title also be similarly clarified by having =
=E2=80=93tpm- somewhere in the filename.
> =20
> From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org>> On =
Behalf Of Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:27 PM
> To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>; rats@ietf.org =
<mailto:rats@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation
> =20
> Thank you all who have responded positive on the adoption both on the =
virtual interim call (for which there was strong consensus) and on the =
email.
> =20
> The working group now adopts this draft and we can place it in the =
RATs WG repository of adopted documents.
> Authors, please rename the file =
draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00 and provide me your GitHub =
id=E2=80=99s so I can create the repository
> In https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg =
<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithu=
b.com%2Fietf-rats-wg&data=3D02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.com%7Cda9a71d490=
9044ffcd5a08d7fc638c0b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637255=
376798849665&sdata=3DTyW%2FtOHmon1N9sxACdLZVdxeBwI0KUlZBtXq57vFDXw%3D&rese=
rved=3D0> and have you move the document there for us to track issues =
and updates.
> =20
> Best, Nancy
> =20
> From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org>> on =
behalf of "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" =
<ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org =
<mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
> Date: Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:25 PM
> To: "rats@ietf.org <mailto:rats@ietf.org>" <rats@ietf.org =
<mailto:rats@ietf.org>>
> Subject: [Rats] WG call for adoption of =
draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation
> =20
> Hello RATs participants,
> =20
> This email begins a 2 week adoption call (ending on May 18)
> =20
> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attest=
ation/ =
<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatat=
racker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation%2F&=
data=3D02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.com%7Cda9a71d4909044ffcd5a08d7fc638c0=
b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637255376798849665&sdata=3D=
StR0Z2Lj50%2B4rhAIGQ09si15FpmlslCbknmh70JTZ28%3D&reserved=3D0>
> =20
> If you have objections to adopting this draft, please respond by EOD =
May 18.
> =20
> Thanks, Nancy
> =20
> _______________________________________________
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> RATS@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats


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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">+1.000000000 (a bit long, but OK)<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">LL<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May =
19, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Dave Thaler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org" =
class=3D"">dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">A bit =
long but ok with me if others are ok with the length.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" =
class=3D"">ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:14 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Dave Thaler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dthaler@microsoft.com" =
class=3D"">dthaler@microsoft.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org"=
 class=3D"">rats@ietf.org</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Rats] WG call for =
adoption of draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Thanks =
Dave=E2=80=A6.how about:&nbsp; =
draft-ietf-rats-tpm-based-network-device-attestation to be a little more =
consistant with the title and capture the intent of the document?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"border-style: solid =
none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"" class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span style=3D"" =
class=3D"">Dave Thaler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">dthaler=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Date:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Tuesday, May 19, 2020 =
at 6:44 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>ncamwing &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ncamwing@cisco.com" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">ncamwing@cisco.com</a>&gt;, "<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">rats@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">rats@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>RE: [Rats] WG call for =
adoption of draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Regarding =E2=80=9C</span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D"">please rename the file =
draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6</span><o:p=
 class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">The title =
was changed in response to feedback, by adding =E2=80=9CTPM-based=E2=80=9D=
 in front.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">I would recommend that the title also be similarly clarified =
by having =E2=80=93tpm- somewhere in the filename.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RATS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">rats-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Nancy =
Cam-Winget (ncamwing)<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:27 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">rats@ietf.org</a><br class=3D""><b=
 class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Rats] WG call for =
adoption of draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Thank you all who =
have responded positive on the adoption both on the virtual interim call =
(for which there was strong consensus) and on the email.</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">The working group now adopts this =
draft and we can place it in the RATs WG repository of adopted =
documents.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Authors, please =
rename the file draft-ietf-rats-network-device-attestation-00 and =
provide me your GitHub id=E2=80=99s so I can create the =
repository</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">In<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><a =
href=3D"https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%=
2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-rats-wg&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.com%7=
Cda9a71d4909044ffcd5a08d7fc638c0b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7=
C0%7C637255376798849665&amp;sdata=3DTyW%2FtOHmon1N9sxACdLZVdxeBwI0KUlZBtXq=
57vFDXw%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg</a><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>and =
have you move the document there for us to track issues and =
updates.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Best, Nancy</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: =
3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"" class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span style=3D"" =
class=3D"">RATS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rats-bounces@ietf.org" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">rats-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of "Nancy Cam-Winget =
(ncamwing)" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">ncamwing=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Date:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Monday, May 4, 2020 at =
4:25 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">rats@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rats@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">rats@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>[Rats] WG call for =
adoption of draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">Hello RATs =
participants,</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">This email begins a 2 week =
adoption call (ending on May 18)</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%=
2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestat=
ion%2F&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.com%7Cda9a71d4909044ffcd5a=
08d7fc638c0b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C6372553767988496=
65&amp;sdata=3DStR0Z2Lj50%2B4rhAIGQ09si15FpmlslCbknmh70JTZ28%3D&amp;reserv=
ed=3D0" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fedorkow-rats-network-de=
vice-attestation/</a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">If you have objections to adopting this draft, please respond =
by EOD May 18.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Thanks, Nancy<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
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Greetings!

I took some time to review the current version of the architecture document
and have some comments and suggestions.  The comments are from the editor's
version.  Please do post early and often updates to the IETF draft
repository.  Version numbers do not matter, it's okay to have a large
number :-)

These are meant to be helpful comments to improve the draft.

Introduction:
Could we change:
From:
Trust is a decision being made.
To:
To trust is a decision that spans beyond the technical assertions.

I struggle a little with the following:
"Trustworthiness is a quality that is assessed via evidence created."
As when one determines trustworthiness, it may span beyond evidence that is
"created".  Perhaps drop the word created?  I think it spans beyond that as
well, but may be too nit picky to expand.  The evidence could have to do
with something other then the system and those who manage it for instance.

Terminology:
The following definition should be just for "appraisal policy" unless there
are other types of appraisal policies in context for this body of work:
    Appraisal Policy for Attestation Result:  A set of rules that direct
      how a Relying Party uses the Attestation Results regarding an
      Attester generated by the Verifiers.  Compare /security policy/ in
      [RFC4949]
I don't think direct is the right word.  If this is so you can make
judgments on relying party decisions, the policy is more of a statement on
the decision process than how they are directed, which could be more
subjective.  The verifier here reads as if they generate the policy, but
are verifying against a set policy.
Proposed:
A set of rules for a Relying Party to verify attestation results.

The following 'definition' seems to get into role recommendations rather
than being a definition:
     Attester:  An entity whose attributes must be appraised in order to
      determine whether the entity is considered trustworthy, such as
      when deciding whether the entity is authorized to perform some
      operation
Shouldn't this stick to what an attester is/does?
Perhaps:
attester - entity who puts forth data that may include configuration or
static system information, evidence, or claims.  The evidence may be
digitally signed.

For evidence, should this definition be more about what evidence is rather
than about the roles involved?  The attester may not be the same component
or system that attests to the evidence as well.  Evidence could be
measurement data, telemetry (e.g. counters on a system interface - YANG or
SNMP), results of a policy comparison to configuration data).
    Evidence:  A set of information about an Attester that is to be
      appraised by a Verifier
Perhaps:
Evidence: Information about or originating from a system/firmware/software
that may include configuration data, measurements, telemetry, or inferences.

Is the following definition necessary?
    Verifier Owner:  An entity, such as an administrator, that is
      authorized to configure Appraisal Policy for Evidence in a
      Verifier

Section 3:
Consider changing the following sentence:
From:
" Each use case includes a description, and a summary of what an
   Attester and a Relying Party refer to in the use case."
To:
" Each use case includes a description followed by a summary of the
   Attester and a Relying Party roles."

Section 3.1:
Sentence 1: Consider changing from:
"Network operators want a trustworthy report of identity and version
   of information of the hardware and software on the machines attached
   to their network, for purposes such as inventory, auditing, and/or
   logging."
To:
"Network operators want a trustworthy report that includes identity and
version
   of information of the hardware and software on the machines attached
   to their network, for purposes such as inventory, audit,
anomaly detection, record maintenance and/or trending reports (logging)."

In the following sentence, "health" is fine, but did you consider the more
commonly used, "hygiene"?

>From the editor's version:
"Typically, solutions start with a specific component (called a "Root of
Trust") that provides device identity and protected storage for
measurements. These components perform a series of measurements, and
express this with Evidence as to the hardware and firmware/software that is
running."
Perhaps better stated as:
"Typically, solutions start with a specific component (called a "Root of
Trust") that provides device identity and protected storage for
measurements. The system components perform a series of measurements that
may be signed by the Root of Trust, considered as Evidence of the hardware,
firmware, BIOS, software, etc. that is running."
"express this with" is confusing and possibly misleading.  This proposed
phrasing allows for evidence to be broader than the series of measurements
as it might include system or configuration information.  It's not the RoT
that does the measurements, but they do attest to it.

Would the attester in this example be the root of trust of the device
rather than the full system?

Section 3.2:
Perhaps change the wording from:
"A device manufacturer wants to protect its intellectual property in
   terms of the ML model it developed and that runs in the devices that
   its customers purchased, and it wants to prevent attackers,
   potentially including the customer themselves, from seeing the
   details of the model."

To:
"A device manufacturer wants to protect its intellectual property.  This is
primarily the ML model it developed and runs in the devices purchased by
its customers. The goals for the protection include preventing attackers,
potentially the customer themselves, from seeing the details of the model."

I'm confused by the phrasing of the rest of the section and am wondering if
it can be improved.
Current:
"This typically works by having some protected environment in the
   device attest to some manufacturer service.  If remote attestation
   succeeds, then the manufacturer service releases either the model, or
   a key to decrypt a model the Attester already has in encrypted form,
   to the requester.

   Attester:  A device desiring to run an ML model to do inferencing

   Relying Party:  A server or service holding ML models it desires to
      protect"

I think it would help to talk about inferences in the written description.
For the attester, if it's the whole system as opposed to a component, then
then definition makes sense.  I'm wondering if it is crisper when
narrowed.  RoT captures inferences of the ML modeling used as evidence.
Does the relying party hold the ML model or knowledge of expected
inferences?

I'm happy to propose alternative text once I have more information to more
fully understand the use case.

Section 3.3:This one took a couple of reads to understand.  While it is
understandable, it could be more explicit to make it easier to get on first
read.  How about changing the following From:
Attestation is desired to prevent leaking data to compromised devices.
To:
"An assessment of system hygiene is made against a set of policies to
verify the state of a system using attestations for the system requesting
data.  Attestation is desired to prevent leaking data to compromised
devices."

Section 3.6
Nit:
From:
"One significant problem is malware that holds a device hostage and does
not allow it to reboot to prevent updates to be applied. "
To:
"One significant problem is malware that holds a device hostage and does
not allow it to reboot to prevent updates from being applied.  Remote
attestation aids in the verification process that may occur locally as well
as it is less likely that the policy or verification processes have also
been compromised if hosted on a separate system."

The second sentence is suggested as this also occurs locally on systems
today, but there is value in having this via remote attestation.

I'll send the next batch when I get far enough through the document.  I
didn't want to hold up on these comments.

Thank you for all your work on the document!

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Best regards,
Kathleen

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v><div><br></div><div>The second sentence is suggested as this also occurs =
locally on systems today, but there is value in having this via remote atte=
station.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll send the next batch when I get f=
ar enough through the document.=C2=A0 I didn&#39;t want to hold up on these=
 comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for all=C2=A0your work on the=
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Hi Kathleen,

thanks for the review!

Please see comments in-line. All assertion are from me as an individual. 
We will document your review as an issue or issues on github and address 
it in editor sessions.

On 21.05.20 15:34, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:
> Greetings!
> 
> I took some time to review the current version of the architecture 
> document and have some comments and suggestions.  The comments are from 
> the editor's version.  Please do post early and often updates to the 
> IETF draft repository.  Version numbers do not matter, it's okay to have 
> a large number :-)
> 
> These are meant to be helpful comments to improve the draft.
> 
> Introduction:
> Could we change:
> From:
> Trust is a decision being made.
> To:
> To trust is a decision that spans beyond the technical assertions.

That reads way more applicable.

> 
> I struggle a little with the following:
> "Trustworthiness is a quality that is assessed via evidence created."
> As when one determines trustworthiness, it may span beyond evidence that 
> is "created".  Perhaps drop the word created?  I think it spans beyond 
> that as well, but may be too nit picky to expand.  The evidence could 
> have to do with something other then the system and those who manage it 
> for instance.

In principle, the scope of RATS of course encompasses all conceptional 
messages. Dropping "created" improves the text by removing an arbitrary 
constraint, I think.

> 
> Terminology:
> The following definition should be just for "appraisal policy" unless 
> there are other types of appraisal policies in context for this body of 
> work:

There are two "steering" sets of Appraisal Policies. One for Evidence 
(used by a Verifier) and one for Attestation Results (used by a Relying 
Party).

>      Appraisal Policy for Attestation Result:  A set of rules that direct
>        how a Relying Party uses the Attestation Results regarding an
>        Attester generated by the Verifiers.  Compare /security policy/ in
>        [RFC4949]
> I don't think direct is the right word.  If this is so you can make 
> judgments on relying party decisions, the policy is more of a statement 
> on the decision process than how they are directed, which could be more 
> subjective.  The verifier here reads as if they generate the policy, but 
> are verifying against a set policy.
> Proposed:
> A set of rules for a Relying Party to verify attestation results.

Hm. The Attestation Results that are "policed" by the Appraisal Policies 
here are already the output of an appraisal procedure of a Verifier. The 
Relying Party is effectively the entity that is catered by RATS, but 
still the text acknowledges here that also the Relying Party depends on 
some imperative guidance here about how to react based on a specific 
Attestation Result.

Having said that, does your comment still apply? I am bit uncertain.

> 
> The following 'definition' seems to get into role recommendations rather 
> than being a definition:
>       Attester:  An entity whose attributes must be appraised in order to
>        determine whether the entity is considered trustworthy, such as
>        when deciding whether the entity is authorized to perform some
>        operation
> Shouldn't this stick to what an attester is/does?
> Perhaps:
> attester - entity who puts forth data that may include configuration or 
> static system information, evidence, or claims.  The evidence may be 
> digitally signed.

Evidence s created by an Attesting Environment of the Attester and must 
always be temper-evident (which does actually means that it must signed 
- but if it isn't an equivalent protection provided by a secure channel 
must exist). As a first step to address "is/does": An Atterster is a 
target of evaluation, I think, and it is able to create Evidence about 
its own system characteristics.

> 
> For evidence, should this definition be more about what evidence is 
> rather than about the roles involved?  The attester may not be the same 
> component or system that attests to the evidence as well.  Evidence 
> could be measurement data, telemetry (e.g. counters on a system 
> interface - YANG or SNMP), results of a policy comparison to 
> configuration data).
>      Evidence:  A set of information about an Attester that is to be
>        appraised by a Verifier

That is an excellent question, I think. The approach to define 
conceptual messages is the result of a compromise that we are following 
at the moment.

> Perhaps:
> Evidence: Information about or originating from a 
> system/firmware/software that may include configuration data, 
> measurements, telemetry, or inferences.
> 
> Is the following definition necessary?
>      Verifier Owner:  An entity, such as an administrator, that is
>        authorized to configure Appraisal Policy for Evidence in a
>        Verifier

Only from an architectural point of view, I think. It was hard to 
motivate the use cases and the "steering factors" of Verifiers and 
Endorsers without an owner. The requirements on Appraisal Policies and 
how they effectively look like is steered by the Owners. Maybe that 
could be pulled into the definitions of Verifier and Owner itself, but 
the contributors found this layout more intuitive. Having said that, it 
is not ultimately required to delve into that.

> 
> Section 3:
> Consider changing the following sentence:
> From:
> " Each use case includes a description, and a summary of what an
>     Attester and a Relying Party refer to in the use case."
> To:
> " Each use case includes a description followed by a summary of the
>     Attester and a Relying Party roles."

I would be okay with that change - it reads more intuitively.

> 
> Section 3.1:
> Sentence 1: Consider changing from:
> "Network operators want a trustworthy report of identity and version
>     of information of the hardware and software on the machines attached
>     to their network, for purposes such as inventory, auditing, and/or
>     logging."
> To:
> "Network operators want a trustworthy report that includes identity and 
> version
>     of information of the hardware and software on the machines attached
>     to their network, for purposes such as inventory, audit, 
> anomaly detection, record maintenance and/or trending reports (logging)."

Your change provides a more detailed view on the applications 
illustrated, I think. I'd be in favor of adopting it.

> 
> In the following sentence, "health" is fine, but did you consider the 
> more commonly used, "hygiene"?

No, actually we have not considered the term "hygiene" up to this 
moment. I am curious how other feedback looks like. I admit, I am 
relatively neutral towards that change.

> 
>  From the editor's version:
> "Typically, solutions start with a specific component (called a "Root of 
> Trust") that provides device identity and protected storage for 
> measurements. These components perform a series of measurements, and 
> express this with Evidence as to the hardware and firmware/software that 
> is running."
> Perhaps better stated as:
> "Typically, solutions start with a specific component (called a "Root of 
> Trust") that provides device identity and protected storage for 
> measurements. The system components perform a series of measurements 
> that may be signed by the Root of Trust, considered as Evidence of the 
> hardware, firmware, BIOS, software, etc. that is running."
> "express this with" is confusing and possibly misleading.  This proposed 
> phrasing allows for evidence to be broader than the series of 
> measurements as it might include system or configuration information.  
> It's not the RoT that does the measurements, but they do attest to it.

I like the change to system components as it better maps to system 
characteristics, I think. Maybe "Evidence about the hardware,..."? 
Otherwise, I like the proposal to rephrase "express this with".

> 
> Would the attester in this example be the root of trust of the device 
> rather than the full system?

The "whole entity" would be the Attester, the root of trust would be a 
part of or used by the Attesting Environment of the Attester (in 
contrast to the Target Environment of the Attester that Evidence is 
created about).

> 
> Section 3.2:
> Perhaps change the wording from:
> "A device manufacturer wants to protect its intellectual property in
>     terms of the ML model it developed and that runs in the devices that
>     its customers purchased, and it wants to prevent attackers,
>     potentially including the customer themselves, from seeing the
>     details of the model."
> 
> To:
> "A device manufacturer wants to protect its intellectual property.  This 
> is primarily the ML model it developed and runs in the devices purchased 
> by its customers. The goals for the protection include preventing 
> attackers, potentially the customer themselves, from seeing the details 
> of the model."

That was a way too long sentence. Thank you for chopping that one up! I 
like your new version much better.

> 
> I'm confused by the phrasing of the rest of the section and am wondering 
> if it can be improved.
> Current:
> "This typically works by having some protected environment in the
>     device attest to some manufacturer service.  If remote attestation
>     succeeds, then the manufacturer service releases either the model, or
>     a key to decrypt a model the Attester already has in encrypted form,
>     to the requester.
> 
>     Attester:  A device desiring to run an ML model to do inferencing
> 
>     Relying Party:  A server or service holding ML models it desires to
>        protect"
> 
> I think it would help to talk about inferences in the written 
> description.  For the attester, if it's the whole system as opposed to a 
> component, then then definition makes sense.  I'm wondering if it is 
> crisper when narrowed.  RoT captures inferences of the ML modeling used 
> as evidence.
> Does the relying party hold the ML model or knowledge of expected 
> inferences?
> 
> I'm happy to propose alternative text once I have more information to 
> more fully understand the use case.

In this use case, the Relying Party holds and conducts actual 
inference/prediction/reasoning producers, at least including a sub-set 
of the corresponding ML models. I think :) That use case was not phrased 
by me.

> 
> Section 3.3:This one took a couple of reads to understand.  While it is 
> understandable, it could be more explicit to make it easier to get on 
> first read.  How about changing the following From:
> Attestation is desired to prevent leaking data to compromised devices.
> To:
> "An assessment of system hygiene is made against a set of policies to 
> verify the state of a system using attestations for the system 
> requesting data.  Attestation is desired to prevent leaking data to 
> compromised devices."

If we go with hygiene (which is only a nit'ish detail and now reading it 
here again, I am starting to like it), I like the proposed text. Use 
case text is deliberately not consistent with the terminology of the 
rest of the text, so I am okay with "verify" in contrast to "appraise" 
here, maybe "evaluate"?

> 
> Section 3.6
> Nit:
> From:
> "One significant problem is malware that holds a device hostage and does 
> not allow it to reboot to prevent updates to be applied. "
> To:
> "One significant problem is malware that holds a device hostage and does 
> not allow it to reboot to prevent updates from being applied.  Remote 
> attestation aids in the verification process that may occur locally as 
> well as it is less likely that the policy or verification processes have 
> also been compromised if hosted on a separate system."

Hm. We are still in use cases here. Jumping to the "solution" that is 
remote attestation might overload the scope of the section a bit? I 
think we might have to rephrase that. I like highlighting the "lokal" part.

> 
> The second sentence is suggested as this also occurs locally on systems 
> today, but there is value in having this via remote attestation.
> 
> I'll send the next batch when I get far enough through the document.  I 
> didn't want to hold up on these comments.
> 
> Thank you for all your work on the document!
> 

And thanks again for your time and effort!

> -- 
> 
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
> 

Viele Grüße,

Henk

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> I took some time to review the current version of the architecture docume=
nt
> and have some comments and suggestions.=C2=A0 The comments are from the e=
ditor's
> version.=C2=A0 Please do post early and often updates to the IETF draft
> repository.=C2=A0 Version numbers do not matter, it's okay to have a large
> number :-)

We should have done another version this month.
I don't know if the "editor" version really works: I personally seldom get
the MT makefiles to do the right thing.

I will arbitrarily do that now with a new version.
We have
   https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/architecture/pull/89

which contains some small fixes to the terminology, and the Roles section h=
as
evolved in two ways and need to pick between them.

We also have:
    https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/architecture/pull/87
and https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/architecture/pull/88
The later has a long conversation/debate which might be worth bringing to t=
he
list.  We managed to commit a number of long-standing (3-6 week long) pull
requests on Tuesday though.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Remote Attestation Procedures Architecture
        Authors         : Henk Birkholz
                          Dave Thaler
                          Michael Richardson
                          Ned Smith
                          Wei Pan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rats-architecture-03.txt
	Pages           : 34
	Date            : 2020-05-21

Abstract:
   In network protocol exchanges, it is often the case that one entity
   (a Relying Party) requires evidence about a remote peer to assess the
   peer's trustworthiness, and a way to appraise such evidence.  The
   evidence is typically a set of claims about its software and hardware
   platform.  This document describes an architecture for such remote
   attestation procedures (RATS).


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internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
    >         Title : Remote Attestation Procedures Architecture Authors :
    > Henk Birkholz Dave Thaler Michael Richardson Ned Smith Wei Pan Filename
    > : draft-ietf-rats-architecture-03.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2020-05-21

Please ignore this version.
This was made from my directory which had "Issue55" branch checkout which has
the not-yet-agreed pull request #89 included/rebased within it.

I will submit a new -04 without that text, since we had not yet agreed on it.

SORRY. FIXING.

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This draft is a work item of the Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Remote Attestation Procedures Architecture
        Authors         : Henk Birkholz
                          Dave Thaler
                          Michael Richardson
                          Ned Smith
                          Wei Pan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rats-architecture-04.txt
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	Date            : 2020-05-21

Abstract:
   In network protocol exchanges, it is often the case that one entity
   (a Relying Party) requires evidence about a remote peer to assess the
   peer's trustworthiness, and a way to appraise such evidence.  The
   evidence is typically a set of claims about its software and hardware
   platform.  This document describes an architecture for such remote
   attestation procedures (RATS).


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Here is a better diff of our current work:

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Greetings!

I got as far as I could with time constraints through the rest of the
document.  There are a few sections I'll likely go back over again as I was
short on time when reviewing them, but do hope this is helpful towards
improving the document.  This review is from the editors revision on github
that I started my review earlier int he week.

Section 4.2:
I find the following grouping a bit confusing:
"Places that Attesting Environments can exist include Trusted Execution
Environments (TEE), embedded Secure Elements (eSE), and BIOS firmware."

This has an attesting environment as a processor, an element, and as
compiled code.  That doesn't seem right, especially when you refer to the
attesting environment as a "place".  Do you mean where BIOS is executed
perhaps?  I would expect a TEE and maybe other components where security
functions are offloaded, which is in some cases to a processor other than a
TEE like a GPU (I'm not making a recommendation to do that here, just
stating what is happening in ecosystems that exist).

The following text is a little confusing, in particular, the last sentence:
"An execution environment may not, by default, be capable of claims
collection for a given Target Environment. Attesting Environments are
designed specifically with claims collection in mind."

If the attesting environment is a place, TEEs and other processors were not
necessarily designed with claims in mind.  If you can help to explain an
attesting environment better, I can help to phrase it more clearly to
convey the intended set of points as I think there are several.

Section 4.3
Consider changing from:
"By definition, the Attester role takes on the duty to create Evidence."
To:
"By definition, the Attester role creates Evidence."

The following sentence is a run on and I think some additional information
will help provide clarity. I don't think it's the role that is composed of
nest environments.  Current:
"The fact that an Attester role is composed of environments that can be
nested or staged adds complexity to the architectural layout of how an
Attester can be composed and therefore has to conduct the Claims collection
in order to create believable attestation Evidence."
How about:
"An Attester may be one or more nested or staged environments, adding
complexity to the architectural structure.  The unifying component is the
root of trust and the nested, staged, or chained attestations produced.
The nested or chained structure should include claims, collected by the
attester to aid in the assurance or believability of the attestation
Evidence."

The following sentence should be broken into two:
"This example could be extended further by, say, making the kernel become
another Attesting Environment for an application as another Target
Environment, resulting in a third set of Claims in the Evidence pertaining
to that application."
Proposed:
"This example could be extended further by making the kernel become another
Attesting Environment for an application as another Target Environment.
This results in a third set of Claims in the Evidence pertaining to that
application."


How about changing the following sentence from:
"Among these routers, there is only one main router that connects to the
Verifier. "
To:
"A multi-chassis router, provides a management point and is the only one
that connects to the Verifier. "

For the following sentence, trying to remove the use of a word twice in a
row and convey the same intent.
Old:
"After collecting the Evidence of other Attesters, this inside Verifier
verifies them using Endorsements and Appraisal Policies (obtained the same
way as any other Verifier), to generate Attestation Results."
Proposed:
"After collecting the Evidence of other Attesters, this inside Verifier
uses Endorsements and Appraisal Policies (obtained the same way as any
other Verifier) in the verification process to generate Attestation
Results."

I may try another pass at section 4 to improve readability.

Section 5,
Consider breaking this into 2 sentences, from:
"This section includes some reference models, but this is not intended to
be a restrictive list, and other variations may exist."
To:
"This section includes some reference models. This is not intended to be a
restrictive list, and other variations may exist."

Section 5.1
Two result words together is not necessary.
Change from:
"The second way in which the process may fail is when the resulting Result
is examined by the Relying Party, and based upon the Appraisal Policy, the
result does not pass the policy. "
To:
"The second way in which the process may fail is when the Result is
examined by the Relying Party, and based upon the Appraisal Policy, the
result does not pass the policy. "

I suggest making the last paragraph the second paragraph.  It's easier to
read than the others and provides an introduction to the model before you
begin talking about how it might fail.

** I may come back to this section to provide wording suggestions.

Section 5.2
I suggest moving the last paragraph to the first in this instance.  It also
provides a nice high-level overview.  The current paragraph 1&2 flow well
together, hence this order suggestion.

The third paragraph is a really long way of stating that interoperability
is required.  Entities must be able to create, send, receive, and process
data (hence the need for a standard).  It's fine, but could be shorter.

Section 5.3:
OLD:
"One variation of the background-check model is where the Relying Party and
the Verifier on the same machine, and so there is no need for a protocol
between the two."
Proposed:
"One variation of the background-check model is where the Relying Party and
the Verifier are on the same machine, performing both functions together.
In this case, there is no need for a protocol between the two."
I think the addition is necessary or you could scratch your head wondering
why no protocol is needed.  If they are separate functions on the same
system, you'd need some way for the relying party to access the results of
the verifier.

The next sentence could benefit from being made into several.
OLD:
"It is also worth pointing out that the choice of model is generally up to
the Relying Party, and the same device may need to create Evidence for
different Relying Parties and different use cases (e.g., a network
infrastructure device to gain access to the network, and then a server
holding confidential data to get access to that data). As such, both models
may simultaneously be in use by the same device."

If the server holds confidential data, why does it need to create evidence
to access the data?  I'm not following the second example as written, so my
proposed text may not be as intended.

Proposed:
"It is also worth pointing out that the choice of model is generally up to
the Relying Party.  The same device may need to create Evidence for
different Relying Parties and/or different use cases.  For instance, a
network infrastructure device may attest evidence to gain access to the
network or a server holding confidential data  may require attestations of
evidence to gain access to the data. As such, both models may
simultaneously be in use by the same device."

Section 6:
The first 3 sentences are fine, but if you wanted to reduce it, it could be
one sentence.
Current:
"An entity in the RATS architecture includes at least one of the roles
defined in this document. As a result, the entity can participate as a
constituent of the RATS architecture. Additionally, an entity can aggregate
more than one role into itself. "
Proposed:
"An entity in the RATS architecture includes at least one [or more] of the
roles defined in this document. "
Or more is redundant, so that really isn't necessary to convey the same
point.

Then the last sentence:
I'd change it a little from:
"In essence, an entity that combines more than one role also creates and
consumes the corresponding conceptual messages as defined in this document."
To:
"In essence, an entity that combines more than one role may create and
consume the corresponding conceptual messages as defined in this document."

It might not, it could be the verifier and relying party.

Section 5:
Consider changing from:
"That is, it might appraise the trustworthiness of an application
component, or operating system component or service, under the assumption
that information provided about it by the lower-layer hypervisor or
firmware is true. "
To:
"That is, it might appraise the trustworthiness of an application
component, operating system component, or service under the assumption that
information provided about it by the lower-layer hypervisor or firmware is
true. "

Section 7:

I'd say it's really a stronger level of assurance of security rather than a
stronger level of security in the following:
"A stronger level of security comes when information can be vouched for by
hardware or by ROM code, especially if such hardware is physically
resistant to hardware tampering. "

Then with the following sentence,
"The component that is implicitly trusted is often referred to as a Root of
Trust."
I think it would be worth mentioning that a hardware RoT is immutable and
mutable RoTs in software are also possible, offering different levels for
an assurance of trust/security.

Section 9.

Since ROLIE [RFC8322] has been added to SCAP2.0, it would be good to list
that as an option since a lot of time and effort went into how to secure
the exchange of formatted data for that protocol.

Section 11. Privacy
This is a good start.  Remote attestation also provides a way to profile
systems as well as the user behind that system.  If attestation results go
higher in the stack to include containers and applications, it could reveal
even more about a system or user.  The scope of access needs to be
emphasized, including the administrators access to data (or restrictions).
If there is a way to make inferences about attestations from their
processing, that should be noted as well.

Section 12:
This will need to state an explicit requirement for transport encryption.
In the introductory paragraph, the text is as follows:
"Any solution that conveys information used for security purposes, whether
such information is in the form of Evidence, Attestation Results,
Endorsements, or Appraisal Policy, needs to support end-to-end integrity
protection and replay attack prevention, and often also needs to support
additional security protections. For example, additional means of
authentication, confidentiality, integrity, replay, denial of service and
privacy protection are needed in many use cases. "
Proposed:
"Any solution that conveys information used for security purposes, whether
such information is in the form of Evidence, Attestation Results,
Endorsements, or Appraisal Policy must support the security properties of
confidentiality, integrity, and availability.  A conveyance protocol
includes the typical transport security considerations:
o  end-to-end encryption,
o  end-to-end integrity protection,
o  replay attack prevention,
o  denial of service protection,
o  authentication,
o  authorization,
o  fine grained access controls, and
o  logging in line with current threat models and zero trust architectures."


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Best regards,
Kathleen

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Greetings!<div><br></div><div>I got as far as I could with=
 time constraints through the rest of the document.=C2=A0 There are a few s=
ections I&#39;ll likely go back over again as I was short on time when revi=
ewing them, but do hope this is helpful towards improving=C2=A0the document=
.=C2=A0 This review is from the editors revision on github that I started m=
y review earlier int he week.</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div>Section 4.2:=
</div><div>I find the following grouping a bit confusing:</div><div>&quot;P=
laces that Attesting Environments can exist include Trusted Execution Envir=
onments (TEE), embedded Secure Elements (eSE), and BIOS firmware.&quot;</di=
v><div><br></div><div>This has an attesting environment as a processor, an =
element, and as compiled=C2=A0code.=C2=A0 That doesn&#39;t seem right, espe=
cially when you refer to the attesting environment as a &quot;place&quot;.=
=C2=A0 Do you mean where BIOS is executed perhaps?=C2=A0 I would expect a T=
EE and maybe other components where security functions are offloaded, which=
 is in some cases to a processor other than a TEE like a GPU (I&#39;m not m=
aking a recommendation to do that here,=C2=A0just stating what is happening=
 in ecosystems that exist).</div><div><br></div><div>The following text is =
a little confusing, in particular, the last sentence:</div><div>&quot;An ex=
ecution environment may not, by default, be capable of claims collection fo=
r a given Target Environment. Attesting Environments are designed specifica=
lly with claims collection in mind.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>If the a=
ttesting environment is a place, TEEs and other processors were not necessa=
rily designed with claims in mind.=C2=A0 If you can help to explain an atte=
sting environment better, I can help to phrase it more clearly to convey th=
e intended set of points as I think there are several.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Section 4.3</div><div>Consider changing from:</div><div>&quot;By defin=
ition, the Attester role takes on the duty to create Evidence.&quot;</div><=
div>To:</div><div>&quot;By definition, the Attester role creates Evidence.&=
quot;</div><div><br></div><div>The following sentence is a run on and I thi=
nk some additional information will help provide clarity. I don&#39;t think=
 it&#39;s the role that is composed of nest environments.=C2=A0 Current:</d=
iv><div>&quot;The fact that an Attester role is composed of environments th=
at can be nested or staged adds complexity to the architectural layout of h=
ow an Attester can be composed and therefore has to conduct the Claims coll=
ection in order to create believable attestation Evidence.&quot;</div><div>=
How about:</div><div>&quot;An Attester may be one or more nested or staged =
environments, adding complexity to the architectural structure.=C2=A0 The u=
nifying component is the root of trust and the nested, staged, or chained a=
ttestations produced.=C2=A0 The nested or chained structure should include =
claims, collected by the attester to aid in the assurance or believability =
of the attestation Evidence.&quot;=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The follo=
wing sentence should be broken into two:</div><div>&quot;This example could=
 be extended further by, say, making the kernel become another Attesting En=
vironment for an application as another Target Environment, resulting in a =
third set of Claims in the Evidence pertaining to that application.&quot;</=
div><div>Proposed:</div><div>&quot;This example could be extended further b=
y making the kernel become another Attesting Environment for an application=
 as another Target Environment. This results in a third set of Claims in th=
e Evidence pertaining to that application.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>How about changing the following sentence from:<br>&quot;Amon=
g these routers, there is only one main router that connects to the Verifie=
r. &quot;</div><div>To:</div><div>&quot;A multi-chassis router, provides a =
management point and is the only one that connects to the Verifier. &quot;<=
/div><div><br></div><div>For the following sentence, trying to remove the u=
se of a word twice in a row and convey the same intent.</div><div>Old:</div=
><div>&quot;After collecting the Evidence of other Attesters, this inside V=
erifier verifies them using Endorsements and Appraisal Policies (obtained t=
he same way as any other Verifier), to generate Attestation Results.&quot;<=
/div><div>Proposed:</div><div>&quot;After collecting the Evidence of other =
Attesters, this inside Verifier uses Endorsements and Appraisal Policies (o=
btained the same way as any other Verifier) in the verification process to =
generate Attestation Results.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>I may try anot=
her pass at section 4 to improve readability.</div><div><br></div><div>Sect=
ion 5,=C2=A0</div><div>Consider breaking this into 2 sentences, from:</div>=
<div>&quot;This section includes some reference models, but this is not int=
ended to be a restrictive list, and other variations may exist.&quot;</div>=
<div>To:</div><div>&quot;This section includes some reference models. This =
is not intended to be a restrictive list, and other variations may exist.&q=
uot;</div><div><br></div><div>Section 5.1</div><div>Two result words togeth=
er is not necessary.</div><div>Change from:</div><div>&quot;The second way =
in which the process may fail is when the resulting Result is examined by t=
he Relying Party, and based upon the Appraisal Policy, the result does not =
pass the policy. &quot;</div><div>To:</div><div>&quot;The second way in whi=
ch the process may fail is when the Result is examined by the Relying Party=
, and based upon the Appraisal Policy, the result does not pass the policy.=
 &quot;</div><div><br></div><div>I suggest making the last paragraph the se=
cond paragraph.=C2=A0 It&#39;s easier to read than the others and provides =
an introduction to the model before you begin talking about how it might fa=
il.</div><div><br></div><div>** I may come back to this section to provide =
wording suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Section 5.2</div><div>I sugge=
st moving the last paragraph to the first in this instance.=C2=A0 It also p=
rovides a nice high-level overview.=C2=A0 The current paragraph=C2=A01&amp;=
2 flow well together, hence this order suggestion.</div><div><br></div><div=
>The third paragraph is a really long way of stating that interoperability =
is required.=C2=A0 Entities must be able to create, send, receive, and proc=
ess data (hence the need for a standard).=C2=A0 It&#39;s fine, but could be=
 shorter.</div><div><br></div><div>Section 5.3:</div><div>OLD:<br>&quot;One=
 variation of the background-check model is where the Relying Party and the=
 Verifier on the same machine, and so there is no need for a protocol betwe=
en the two.&quot;</div><div>Proposed:</div><div>&quot;One variation of the =
background-check model is where the Relying Party and the Verifier are on t=
he same machine,=C2=A0performing both functions together.=C2=A0 In this cas=
e, there is no need for a protocol between the two.&quot;=C2=A0</div><div>I=
 think the addition is necessary or you could scratch your head wondering w=
hy no protocol is needed.=C2=A0 If they are separate functions on the same =
system, you&#39;d need some way for the relying party to access the results=
 of the verifier.</div><div><br></div><div>The next sentence could benefit =
from being made into several.</div><div>OLD:</div><div>&quot;It is also wor=
th pointing out that the choice of model is generally up to the Relying Par=
ty, and the same device may need to create Evidence for different Relying P=
arties and different use cases (e.g., a network infrastructure device to ga=
in access to the network, and then a server holding confidential data to ge=
t access to that data). As such, both models may simultaneously be in use b=
y the same device.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>If the server holds confi=
dential data, why does it need to create evidence to access the data?=C2=A0=
 I&#39;m not following the second example as written, so my proposed text m=
ay not be as intended.</div><div><br></div><div>Proposed:</div><div>&quot;I=
t is also worth pointing out that the choice of model is generally up to th=
e Relying Party.=C2=A0 The same device may need to create Evidence for diff=
erent Relying Parties and/or different use cases.=C2=A0 For instance, a net=
work infrastructure device may attest evidence to gain access to the networ=
k or a server holding confidential data=C2=A0 may require attestations of e=
vidence to gain access to the data. As such, both models may simultaneously=
 be in use by the same device.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Section 6:</d=
iv><div>The first 3 sentences are fine, but if you wanted to reduce it, it =
could be one sentence.</div><div>Current:</div><div>&quot;An entity in the =
RATS architecture includes at least one of the roles defined in this docume=
nt. As a result, the entity can participate as a constituent of the RATS ar=
chitecture. Additionally, an entity can aggregate more than one role into i=
tself. &quot;</div><div>Proposed:</div><div>&quot;An entity in the RATS arc=
hitecture includes at least one [or more] of the roles defined in this docu=
ment. &quot;</div><div>Or more is redundant, so that really isn&#39;t neces=
sary to convey the same point.</div><div><br></div><div>Then the last sente=
nce:</div><div>I&#39;d change it a little from:</div><div>&quot;In essence,=
 an entity that combines more than one role also creates and consumes the c=
orresponding conceptual messages as defined in this document.&quot;</div><d=
iv>To:</div><div>&quot;In essence, an entity that combines more than one ro=
le may create and consume the corresponding conceptual messages as defined =
in this document.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>It might not, it could be =
the verifier and relying party.</div><div><br></div><div>Section 5:</div><d=
iv>Consider changing from:</div><div>&quot;That is, it might appraise the t=
rustworthiness of an application component, or operating system component o=
r service, under the assumption that information provided about it by the l=
ower-layer hypervisor or firmware is true. &quot;</div><div>To:</div><div>&=
quot;That is, it might appraise the trustworthiness of an application compo=
nent, operating system component, or service under the assumption that info=
rmation provided about it by the lower-layer hypervisor or firmware is true=
. &quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Section 7:</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39=
;d say it&#39;s really a stronger level of assurance of security rather tha=
n a stronger level of security in the following:</div><div>&quot;A stronger=
 level of security comes when information can be vouched for by hardware or=
 by ROM code, especially if such hardware is physically resistant to hardwa=
re tampering. &quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Then with the following sente=
nce,</div><div>&quot;The component that is implicitly trusted is often refe=
rred to as a Root of Trust.&quot;</div><div>I think it would be worth menti=
oning that a hardware RoT is immutable and mutable RoTs in software are als=
o possible, offering different levels for an assurance of trust/security.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Section 9.</div><div><br></div><div>Since ROLIE [RF=
C8322] has been added to SCAP2.0, it would be good to list that as an optio=
n since a lot of time and effort went into how to secure the exchange of fo=
rmatted=C2=A0data for that protocol.</div><div><br></div><div>Section 11. P=
rivacy</div><div>This is a good start.=C2=A0 Remote attestation also provid=
es a way to profile systems as well as the user behind that system.=C2=A0 I=
f attestation results go higher in the stack to include containers and appl=
ications, it could reveal even more about a system or user.=C2=A0 The scope=
 of access needs to be emphasized, including the administrators access to d=
ata (or restrictions).=C2=A0 If there is a way to make inferences about att=
estations from their processing, that should be noted as well.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Section 12:</div><div>This will need to state an explicit requ=
irement for transport encryption.=C2=A0 In the introductory paragraph, the =
text is as follows:</div><div>&quot;Any solution that conveys information u=
sed for security purposes, whether such information is in the form of Evide=
nce, Attestation Results, Endorsements, or Appraisal Policy, needs to suppo=
rt end-to-end integrity protection and replay attack prevention, and often =
also needs to support additional security protections. For example, additio=
nal means of authentication, confidentiality, integrity, replay, denial of =
service and privacy protection are needed in many use cases. &quot;</div><d=
iv>Proposed:</div><div>&quot;Any solution that conveys information used for=
 security purposes, whether such information is in the form of Evidence, At=
testation Results, Endorsements, or Appraisal Policy must support the secur=
ity properties of confidentiality, integrity, and availability.=C2=A0 A con=
veyance protocol includes the typical transport security considerations:</d=
iv><div>o=C2=A0 end-to-end encryption,</div><div>o=C2=A0 end-to-end integri=
ty protection,</div><div>o=C2=A0 replay attack prevention,=C2=A0</div><div>=
o=C2=A0 denial of service protection,</div><div>o=C2=A0 authentication,=C2=
=A0</div><div>o=C2=A0 authorization,</div><div>o=C2=A0 fine grained access =
controls, and</div><div>o=C2=A0 logging in line with current threat models =
and zero trust architectures.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <=
br><div dir=3D"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div></div></div>

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