From mailman-owner@ietf.org Wed Mar 1 05:16:36 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA27052 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05872 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:14:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:14:45 -0500 (EST) From: mailman-owner@ietf.org Message-Id: <200003011014.FAA05872@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: ietf.org mailing list memberships reminder To: raven-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org X-No-Archive: yes Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your ietf.org mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. 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Passwords for raven-web-archive@www.ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- raven@ietf.org aUvt http://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/raven/raven-web-archive@www.ietf.org From raven-admin@ietf.org Fri Mar 3 20:54:36 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13237 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16433; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13243 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19656 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from fipr.demon.co.uk ([212.228.119.220] helo=DIRECTOR) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12PX1H-000LuY-0X; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:43:55 +0000 From: "Caspar Bowden" To: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:46:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01bf822c$f4134a20$0100a8c0@DIRECTOR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Raven] BBC World Service radio on RIP bill - RealAudio Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The BBC has just made available as RealAudio the only broadcast programme so far to deal with the UK's RIP Bill - that's the one that puts the burden of proof on the defence to show they DON'T have a decryption key [in fact it's worse that, you can go to jail if in fact you can't "enable possession of the key to be obtained" - 49(2)b & 49(3)c - even if no key exists!] BBC World Service radio "Insight" (TX 26/2/2000, 13m 53s) "Joanne Episcopo examines the debate on the individual's right to privacy in the light of a new parliamentary bill in Britain that increases the powers of surveillance by the intelligence services" http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/635000/audio/_638041_episcipo.ram For more information on RIP see http://www.fipr.org/rip/index.html -- Caspar Bowden http://www.fipr.org Director, Foundation for Information Policy Research Tel: +44(0)171 354 2333 Fax: +44(0)171 827 6534 _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Mon Mar 6 08:30:19 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA04592 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13502; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13474 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA03906 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from alaptop.hotwired.com ([12.78.117.11]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000306131350.KKXF1630.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@alaptop.hotwired.com> for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:13:50 +0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000306081149.0208b370@mail.well.com> X-Sender: declan@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:11:57 -0500 To: raven@ietf.org From: Declan McCullagh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Raven] White House report says government wants to trace Net users Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org of possible relevance... The forthcoming report: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/unlawfulconduct.html ********* http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,34720,00.html U.S. Wants to Trace Net Users by Declan McCullagh (declan@wired.com) 3:00 a.m. 4.Mar.2000 PST WASHINGTON -- The ease of hiding one's identity on the Net is giving police migraines and justifies providing broad new powers to law enforcement, the White House says in a forthcoming report. The federal government should take steps to improve online traceability and promote international cooperation to identify Internet users, according to a draft of the report commissioned by President Clinton. Police should be able to determine the source of hacker attacks or "anonymous emails that contain bomb threats," states the 200 KB document prepared by a high-level working group chaired by Attorney General Janet Reno. Although the report was largely complete before last month's prominent denial-of-service attacks, it will likely influence the debate over how the U.S. government should respond to them. The FBI has not made any arrests during its investigation, and bureau officials Tuesday told Congress that anonymity and the global nature of the Internet pose serious problems. A White House spokesman said the report is being finalized and "should be released very soon." The Working Group on Unlawful Conduct on the Internet, which Clinton created in August 1999 to consider new laws or educational programs, includes senior administration officials such as FBI Director Louis Freeh, Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, Commerce Secretary William Daley, and representatives from the military, DEA, and Secret Service. The group focused on what it views as the problem of anonymity, citing "the need for real-time tracing of Internet communications across traditional jurisdictional boundaries, both domestically and internationally [and] the need to track down sophisticated users who commit unlawful acts on the Internet while hiding their identities," according to the report. Currently no laws require Internet users in the United States to reveal their identities before signing up for accounts, and both fee-based and free services offer anonymous mail, Web browsing, and dialup connections. Internet service providers should be encouraged, though not required, to maintain detailed records of what their users are doing online. "Some industry members may not retain certain system data long enough to permit law enforcement to identify online offenders," the report says. [...] _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Thu Mar 9 09:56:55 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27965 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21493; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21462 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24390 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from fipr.demon.co.uk ([212.228.119.220] helo=DIRECTOR) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12T49u-000DHt-0K for raven@ietf.org; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:43:26 +0000 From: "Caspar Bowden" To: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <019201bf89d6$6a056b90$0100a8c0@DIRECTOR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Raven] UK RIP Bill: Scrambling for Safety 2000, 22/3/00, REGISTRATION OPEN Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [apologies for any duplication owing to multiple lists etc.] ======================================================= PLEASE REDISTRIBUTE WIDELY - PLEASE REDISTRIBUTE WIDELY ======================================================= http://www.fipr.org/sfs2000 PROGRAMME DETAILS UPDATED CONTINUOUSLY - CHECK FOR CHANGES ========================================================== <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SCRAMBLING FOR SAFETY 2000 - Wednesday March 22nd <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< The Internet Service Providers Association, the Foundation for Information Policy Research, Privacy International, the LSE Information Systems Department, GreenNet and Poptel are jointly sponsoring the fifth open public conference on encryption, e-commerce and Internet surveillance. The Home Office's REGULATION OF INVESTIGATORY POWERS (RIP) bill received its Second Reading in the House of Commons on March 6th, and amendments are now being considered in Standing Committee. Minister of State Charles Clarke MP, opposition parties, officials, legal, technical and industry experts will explain the purposes and consequences of the legislation and take questions from an expert audience. 13:30-17:45, Wednesday 22nd March 2000 New Theatre, East Building, London School of Economics, Houghton St., London WC2 Admission is free of charge. Telephone enquiries: 0958 466552 Registration: Send one e-mail per place required to sfs2000@fipr.org (confirmation within 24hrs) DRAFT PROGRAMMME (check website frequently for updates) ============================================================== 13:30 Welcome Jim Norton (IoD e-commerce Policy Head) 13:40 Overview Caspar Bowden (director of FIPR) 14:00 TBA 14:45 Charles Clarke MP (Minister of State at the Home Office) 15:10 Panel Q&A 1 TBA 16:00 Oliver Heald MP (Shadow front Bench Spokesman for Home Affairs) + LibDem spokesperson 16:40 TBA 17:15 Panel Q&A 2 17:45 Close Panellist/Speakers(subject to re-arrangement and confirmation) ============================================================== Home Office officials Members of the RIP Bill team David Marsh Chair, E-Centre UK Legal Advisory (Needham & Grant) Peter Sommer Special Adviser to DTI Sel.Ctee E-Commerce Inquiry Dan O'Brien STAND, Need to Know, Sunday Times Ian Walden AEB's Legal Advisory Group, Bird and Bird, Paul Renny ISPA legal view, Theodore Goddard Brian White MP PITCOM Alex Hamilton Liberty DTI Official DTI Electronic Communications Act Bill Team Steve Thomas Association for Payment Clearing Services Others TBA We are always interested in suggestions for additional speakers/panellists and topics (sfs.suggestion@fipr.org) _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Mon Mar 13 03:13:59 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA10889 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA12803; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA12777 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA08210 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from fipr.demon.co.uk ([212.228.119.220] helo=DIRECTOR) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12UPsP-0009fw-0K; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:06:58 +0000 From: "Caspar Bowden" To: "FIPR News Archive \(E-mail\)" , , Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:10:57 -0000 Message-ID: <029101bf8cc3$a9b33a70$0100a8c0@DIRECTOR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Raven] Yahoo 9/3/2000: "RADCOM and DATAKOM Join Forces to Provide a Solution for Lawful Data Network Interception in Germany" Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/000309/nj_radcom__1.html RADCOM and DATAKOM Join Forces to Provide a Solution for Lawful Data Network Interception in Germany Initial contracts were signed to supply up to 350 systems - each with a specially adapted PrismLite MAHWAH, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 9, 2000-- RADCOM Ltd. (NASDAQ: RDCM - news) announced today that its multitechnology protocol analyzer, specially adapted for use by DATAKOM, has been approved as a major component of Germany's exclusive Lawful Interception (LI) solution. This is an innovative vendor independent solution for lawful data network interception in Germany. Initial contracts were signed to supply up to 350 PrismLite analyzers over the next three years. Data networks, including voice and video over data, are being used increasingly as a communications medium. Therefore, lawful monitoring of data networks is becoming as important as telephone network monitoring. As a result, Germany has recently updated its G-10 law, originally passed in 1997, and similar to the CALEA law passed in the United States in 1994. Service providers are now required to give law enforcement the means to monitor their data as well as voice lines. DATAKOM and RADCOM's jointly developed system enables German service providers to adhere to this law. In this special LI system, the extracted information is not displayed or recorded to hard disk or in memory rather, the data stream is securely transported to governmental agencies responsible for LI tasks. The versatile LI system is also capable of handling many different transit networks, providing documentation and time stamping with official radio/GPS time.The RADCOM/ DATAKOM LI system has been approved and certified by the German Regulation Office and Ministry of Economics and Technology (BMWi). DATAKOM has applied for a patent for the LI system. ``DATAKOM and RADCOM developed this LI technology in cooperation with major German carriers and German Governmental Departments,'' said Paul Hoffmann, Managing Director of DATAKOM GmbH. ``We use the powerful capabilities and flexibility of the PrismLite analyzer for critical processes inside the G-10 LI system.'' Our solution is the only LI system on the market which operates over multi-vendor equipment networks and meets the economic requirements of this important project.`` ``Now that we have received contracts from major carriers for the LI system, we expect a substantial increase in orders from the remaining 300 PTTs and service providers in Germany, all of whom have to comply with the regulations for lawful interception,'' concluded Mr. Arnon Toussia-Cohen, CEO and President of RADCOM. ``We also expect similar requirements to arise from other European Service Providers as well as from the United States as a solution to requirements of its CALEA Legislation.'' About RADCOM RADCOM is a leading network test and quality monitoring equipment manufacturer focused on convergence technologies. The company specializes in the design, manufacture, marketing and support of a line of high-quality, integrated, multitechnology test and quality monitoring solutions for LANs, WANs and ATM. RADCOM offers unique convergence testing solutions for VoIP and cellular converged networks. RADCOM's test and analysis equipment is used in the development and manufacturing of network equipment, the installation of networks, and the ongoing maintenance of operational networks to facilitate real-time identification, diagnosis, isolation and resolution of network problems. RADCOM's sales network includes over 55 distributors in 45 countries worldwide and over 14 manufacturer's representatives across North America. RADCOM's customers include Cisco, Lucent, AT&T, MCI Worldcom, Sprint, British Telecom, Deutsche Telecom, Ericsson, Motorola, and Telstra. Investors should take note that certain statements in this press release are forward-looking and may not give full weight to all of the potential risks (e.g., product demand and market acceptance, rapid changes in technology, the impact of competitive products, the challenge of managing expenses to changing revenue resulting from changed product demand, the difficulty of the timely completion of restructuring and changed priorities from these and other factors). For more information on risk factors, please refer to RADCOM's SEC filings, including RADCOM's most recent SEC filings on Form 20F and Form 6-K. _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Tue Mar 14 08:58:08 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20184 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04264; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04236 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA18387 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from alaptop.hotwired.com ([206.221.193.167]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000314135138.WXND5318.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@alaptop.hotwired.com> for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:51:38 +0000 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000314085350.02045120@pop.webcom.com> X-Sender: y2kc@pop.webcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:54:30 -0500 To: raven@ietf.org From: Declan McCullagh In-Reply-To: <029101bf8cc3$a9b33a70$0100a8c0@DIRECTOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Raven] UK regulator wants IETF to consider new type of URL Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,34937,00.html UK Wants Tighter E-Trading Laws by Declan McCullagh (declan@wired.com) 3:00 a.m. 14.Mar.2000 PST FAIRFAX, Virginia -- It's not that Phillip Thorpe hates the Internet, not exactly. But he sure wishes the problems it causes him would vanish as quickly as Bill Bradley's presidential ambitions. Thorpe has one of the most difficult jobs anyone can hold nowadays: He's a regulator. And not just any regulator, but the head of the British agency responsible for overseeing the financial services and securities industries. In the U.K., London-based Financial Services Authority can shut down any unacceptable Web site that doesn't follow British law, but the agency's reach is limited. Thorpe is concerned that British subjects can connect to any Web site anywhere in the world to deposit money or spend their cash on risky -- though perhaps profitable, and probably unregulated - ventures. There's precious little Thorpe or his FSA cohorts can do about it. ... Thorpe said a third possibility would be to devise a new Web address for approved finance and investment sites that would look like finance://www.bankname.com/. He said it would be a "specific kind of URL for regulated financial entities, though we know there are people we have to ask about that." The people Thorpe is talking about are the Internet Engineering Task Force, an international group that sets technical standards but values its independence from the demands of any one national government. ... _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Tue Mar 14 18:44:40 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA10755 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA24576; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA24549 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dokka.maxware.no (dokka.maxware.no [195.139.236.69]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA05691 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from alden (alden.maxware.no [10.128.1.246]) by dokka.maxware.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30465; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:29:50 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000315002224.021e0df0@dokka.maxware.no> X-Sender: hta@dokka.maxware.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:29:49 +0100 To: Declan McCullagh , raven@ietf.org From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand Subject: Re: [Raven] UK regulator wants IETF to consider new type of URL In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000314085350.02045120@pop.webcom.com> References: <029101bf8cc3$a9b33a70$0100a8c0@DIRECTOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org At 08:54 14.03.00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Thorpe said a third possibility would be to > devise a new Web address for approved > finance and investment sites that would > look like finance://www.bankname.com/. in this case, http://www.bankname.finance.uk/ is probably a better fit, for several reasons: - Identifies the legal environment of approval (UK) - Identifies the kind of approval (finance) - Does not require new code in clients and servers - Does not require any IETF action - Possibly even within Thorpe's power to achieve And that places the discussion strictly in a domainname context - that is, if it needs to be outside the UK scope, it's ICANN's problem. Harald -- Harald Tveit Alvestrand, EDB Maxware, Norway Harald.Alvestrand@edb.maxware.no _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 15 03:47:28 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04437 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA13404; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA13374 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.skyrunner.net (mail.skyrunner.net [208.133.44.165]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA03055 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave (avlcmptrnexl.vbilt.New-Era.net [208.133.46.39]) by mail.skyrunner.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id DAA22673 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:41:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.skyrunner.net: Host avlcmptrnexl.vbilt.New-Era.net [208.133.46.39] claimed to be dave From: "Dave" To: "Raven" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Raven] FW: [CIA-DRUGS] Surveillance: Lawful Data Network Interception in Germany + More .... Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit competition for ch*fr*n's firm? Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave -----Original Message----- From: NewsViewz@aol.com [mailto:NewsViewz@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 9:40 AM To: NewsViewz@egroups.com Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Surveillance: Lawful Data Network Interception in Germany + More .... From: NewsViewz@aol.com Subj: U.S. Firm Sells German Police Net-Surveillance Products http://biz.yahoo.co m/bw/000309/nj_radcom__1.html RADCOM and DATAKOM Join Forces to Provide a Solution for Lawful Data Network Interception in Germany Initial contracts were signed to supply up to 350 systems - each with a specially adapted PrismLite MAHWAH, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 9, 2000-- RADCOM Ltd. (NASDAQ: RDCM - news) announced today that its multitechnology protocol analyzer, specially adapted for use by DATAKOM, has been approved as a major component of Germany's exclusive Lawful Interception (LI) solution. This is an innovative vendor independent solution for lawful data network interception in Germany. Initial contracts were signed to supply up to 350 PrismLite analyzers over the next three years. Data networks, including voice and video over data, are being used increasingly as a communications medium. Therefore, lawful monitoring of data networks is becoming as important as telephone network monitoring. As a result, Germany has recently updated its G-10 law, originally passed in 1997, and similar to the CALEA law passed in the United States in 1994. Service providers are now required to give law enforcement the means to monitor their data as well as voice lines. DATAKOM and RADCOM's jointly developed system enables German service providers to adhere to this law. In this special LI system, the extracted information is not displayed or recorded to hard disk or in memory rather, the data stream is securely transported to governmental agencies responsible for LI tasks. The versatile LI system is also capable of handling many different transit networks, providing documentation and time stamping with official radio/GPS time. The RADCOM/ DATAKOM LI system has been approved and certified by the German Regulation Office and Ministry of Economics and Technology (BMWi). DATAKOM has applied for a patent for the LI system. ``DATAKOM and RADCOM developed this LI technology in cooperation with major German carriers and German Governmental Departments,'' said Paul Hoffmann, Managing Director of DATAKOM GmbH. ``We use the powerful capabilities and flexibility of the PrismLite analyzer for critical processes inside the G-10 LI system.'' Our solution is the only LI system on the market which operates over multi-vendor equipment networks and meets the economic requirements of this important project.`` ``Now that we have received contracts from major carriers for the LI system, we expect a substantial increase in orders from the remaining 300 PTTs and service providers in Germany, all of whom have to comply with the regulations for lawful interception,'' concluded Mr. Arnon Toussia-Cohen, CEO and President of RADCOM. ``We also expect similar requirements to arise from other European Service Providers as well as from the United States as a solution to requirements of its CALEA Legislation.'' About RADCOM RADCOM is a leading network test and quality monitoring equipment manufacturer focused on convergence technologies. The company specializes in the design, manufacture, marketing and support of a line of high-quality, integrated, multitechnology test and quality monitoring solutions for LANs, WANs and ATM. RADCOM offers unique convergence testing solutions for VoIP and cellular converged networks. RADCOM's test and analysis equipment is used in the development and manufacturing of network equipment, the installation of networks, and the ongoing maintenance of operational networks to facilitate real-time identification, diagnosis, isolation and resolution of network problems. RADCOM's sales network includes over 55 distributors in 45 countries worldwide and over 14 manufacturer's representatives across North America. RADCOM's customers include Cisco, Lucent, AT&T, MCI Worldcom, Sprint, British Telecom, Deutsche Telecom, Ericsson, Motorola, and Telstra. Investors should take note that certain statements in this press release are forward-looking and may not give full weight to all of the potential risks (e.g., product demand and market acceptance, rapid changes in technology, the impact of competitive products, the challenge of managing expenses to changing revenue resulting from changed product demand, the difficulty of the timely completion of restructuring and changed priorities from these and other factors). For more information on risk factors, please refer to RADCOM's SEC filings, including RADCOM's most recent SEC filings on Form 20F and Form 6-K. RADCOM Equipment, Inc. Mr. Anthony S. Wiley, President 575 Corporate Drive Mahwah, NJ 07430, USA Tel: 201-529-2020 Email: awiley@radcomusa.com http://www.radcom-inc.com or Mindstorm Communications Kathleen Breslin Tel: 212-320-2139 Email: kbreslin@mindstormcomm.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: rumills@rumormillnews.com Satellite based MASER Weapon System & Murder http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=2019 Rumor Mill News Forum Satellite based MASER Weapon System & Murder Posted By: vince Date: Wednesday, 8 March 2000, at 11:05 p.m. The similiarities between a maser and a laser is that the radiation originating from these devices are coherent, by this we mean the beam does not spread apart like ordinary radiation, but stays columinated like a flashlight. Secondly, the radiation is monochromatic; namely, one given frequency with an intense beam of radiation. The difference being in a maser this is microwave radiation, while a laser is a host of other EM frequencies. The interesting feature of microwave radiation is it can intereact "easily" with electronic circuitry and cause havoc in the transmission of electronic signals. If these masers are based in satellites they can be pointed from space at airborne vehicles and cause havoc in their guidance systems and other control systems, which control the vehicles direction in space. This could be an airplane, a ballistic missile, etc. If the maser is targeted on a plane, the pilot could easily loose control of flying the vehicle. He would not be effected by the radiation, and if you were an observer on ground and watched this vehicle via radar you would not see the interaction of the maser's radiation with the plane but only observe the plane crashing and/or getting out of control. When the plane is just about to crash. The maser is turned off giving the controls back to the pilot. However it is too late for the pilot to do anything. Also the flight recorder would not show any use of a maser. This is the ideal way to down a plane from the sky and nobody will know. Does this occur? I think it does? Especially in the last series of plane crashes? Does these happening occur for the National Security of the USA...The answer is no. Do we have a weapon system like this? I say yes. It is an antiballistic weapon system. This has the same effect on ballistic missiles ... and I applaud a system like this for "this use". But I do not applaud this system to be missused by some powerful people to silence some other people. This is plane and simple murder ... not national security ... but selfish security. Finally I would like to think their are some powerful people who will rectify these wrongs. So their gradchildren can live in a better world than we live in. RMNews: The above article gives additional information to what was in these articles: How to Crash a Jet....Satellite MASER System http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=2000 HAARP Satellites ...Causes Strange Radar??? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=1991 USA should knock out Sky HAARP Satellites http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=1994 Re: USA should knock out Sky MASERS !!! http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=1996 STRANGE RADAR IMAGES--MIND CONTROL OR EARTHQUAKES? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=1955 Strange Radar Images (This was the original article) http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=1949 If the RMNews Agents are right, and this "strange radar" is related to HAARP, mind control and the mass shootings... then it should be obvious to more people than just us. I hope the decent people in our government are reading Rumor Mill News _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 15 08:11:23 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11379 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17954; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17926 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from eastwood.aldigital.algroup.co.uk (eastwood.aldigital.algroup.co.uk [194.128.162.193]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06708 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from freeby.ben.algroup.co.uk (freeby.ben.algroup.co.uk [193.133.15.6]) by eastwood.aldigital.algroup.co.uk (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01034; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:15 GMT Received: from algroup.co.uk (naughty.ben.algroup.co.uk [193.133.15.107]) by freeby.ben.algroup.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA27445; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:29 GMT Message-ID: <38CF8961.29F7676D@algroup.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:00:17 +0000 From: Ben Laurie Organization: A.L. Group plc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand CC: Declan McCullagh , raven@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Raven] UK regulator wants IETF to consider new type of URL References: <029101bf8cc3$a9b33a70$0100a8c0@DIRECTOR> <4.2.0.58.20000315002224.021e0df0@dokka.maxware.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > > At 08:54 14.03.00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > Thorpe said a third possibility would be to > > devise a new Web address for approved > > finance and investment sites that would > > look like finance://www.bankname.com/. > > in this case, http://www.bankname.finance.uk/ is probably a better fit, > for several reasons: > > - Identifies the legal environment of approval (UK) > - Identifies the kind of approval (finance) > - Does not require new code in clients and servers > - Does not require any IETF action > - Possibly even within Thorpe's power to achieve > > And that places the discussion strictly in a domainname context - that is, > if it needs to be outside the UK scope, it's ICANN's problem. Indeed, and actually I don't see why it would have to go beyond Nominet to achieve. Cheers, Ben. -- SECURE HOSTING AT THE BUNKER: http://www.thebunker.net/hosting.htm http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html Coming to ApacheCon Europe? http://ApacheCon.Com/ _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Thu Mar 16 11:51:14 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15835 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05513; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05477 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from bommel.progressive-systems.com (216-132-55-12.velocityhsi.com [216.132.55.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA12390 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ge@localhost) by bommel.progressive-systems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03685; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:43:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:43:31 -0700 From: "Ge' Weijers" To: Declan McCullagh Cc: raven@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Raven] UK regulator wants IETF to consider new type of URL Message-ID: <20000316094331.A3653@progressive-systems.com> References: <029101bf8cc3$a9b33a70$0100a8c0@DIRECTOR> <4.3.0.20000314085350.02045120@pop.webcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000314085350.02045120@pop.webcom.com>; from declan@wired.com on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 08:54:30AM -0500 Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 08:54:30AM -0500, Declan McCullagh quoted: > He said it would be a "specific kind of URL > for regulated financial entities, though we > know there are people we have to ask > about that." The question now is: regulated by whom. I'm sure a small island-nation can be found that is willing to 'regulate' about anything for an appropriate fee. I'm certain it would take forever to get any agreement between nations about this. Best keep this within national borders. Ge' -- - Ge' Weijers Voice: (614)326 4600 Progressive Systems, Inc. FAX: (614)326 4601 2000 West Henderson Rd. Suite 400, Columbus OH 43220 _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Thu Mar 16 11:56:06 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17706 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05601; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05571 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bommel.progressive-systems.com (216-132-55-12.velocityhsi.com [216.132.55.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13932 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ge@localhost) by bommel.progressive-systems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03700; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:46:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:46:29 -0700 From: "Ge' Weijers" To: Dave Cc: Raven Subject: Re: [Raven] FW: [CIA-DRUGS] Surveillance: Lawful Data Network Interception in Germany + More .... Message-ID: <20000316094629.B3653@progressive-systems.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from dave@asheville-computer.com on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 03:41:39AM -0500 Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 03:41:39AM -0500, Dave wrote: > Satellite based MASER Weapon System & Murder > Posted By: vince > Date: Wednesday, 8 March 2000, at 11:05 p.m. Off topic???????? _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 29 07:38:35 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20255 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24854; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24823 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us ([199.44.37.210]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20041 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ponder@localhost) by fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA28942 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: raven@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is the US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition and to protect the innocent investing public.) http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 SEC Creating Web Surveillance 03:55EST By MARCY GORDON AP Business Writer 03/29/00 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated surveillance system to search Web sites and message boards for investment fraud. But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the Internet. The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's largest accounting and consulting firms. < . . . . > _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 29 08:03:29 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20548 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25164; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25137 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (gtei1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.159]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20406 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-141-151-8-5.bellatlantic.net (adsl-141-151-8-5.bellatlantic.net [141.151.8.5]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA01861 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Gavin To: raven@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500 Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc. Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by optimus.ietf.org id HAA25138 Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote: [snip...] >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance >03:55EST > >By MARCY GORDON >AP Business Writer >03/29/00 > >[snip...] > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's >largest accounting and consulting firms. It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical practices" in its Independent Auditing function. Ted _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 29 12:14:36 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22797 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28172; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28142 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from green.gruene.de (www.gruene.de [193.97.251.133]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22675 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:03:52 -0500 (EST) To: raven@ietf.org From: marc.mausch@gruene.de Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 Subject: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27904; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: raven-admin@ietf.org Message-Id: <200003291700.MAA27904@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Reply-to: raven@ietf.org X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: raven@ietf.org Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Send raven mailing list submissions to raven@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to raven-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at raven-admin@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of raven digest..." Today's Topics: 1. SEC surveillance system (P.J. Ponder) 2. Re: SEC surveillance system (Ted Gavin) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: raven@ietf.org Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is the US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition and to protect the innocent investing public.) http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 SEC Creating Web Surveillance 03:55EST By MARCY GORDON AP Business Writer 03/29/00 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated surveillance system to search Web sites and message boards for investment fraud. But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the Internet. The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's largest accounting and consulting firms. < . . . . > --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ted Gavin To: raven@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500 Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc. Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote: [snip...] >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance >03:55EST > >By MARCY GORDON >AP Business Writer >03/29/00 > >[snip...] > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's >largest accounting and consulting firms. It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical practices" in its Independent Auditing function. Ted --__--__-- _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven End of raven Digest _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Wed Mar 29 12:52:26 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23107 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28713; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28681 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us ([199.44.37.210]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23030 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ponder@localhost) by fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA25467 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:04:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: raven@ietf.org Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by optimus.ietf.org id MAA28682 Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can someone who speaks German contact this person and let him or her know that their auto-responder is copying the list itself (raven@ietf.org) with all of it's outgoing messages? I tried, and got back an auto-reply in German.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:21:14 +0200 From: marc.mausch@gruene.de To: ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (unverified [199.44.37.210]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:21:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (ponder@localhost) by fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28027 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: marc.mausch@gruene.de Subject: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Marc, you appear to have the auto-reply function copying the Raven list itself. If you want to create a digest, that is good, but do you think it should be automatically sent to all the subscribers, whether they have asked for it or not? -- pj On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 marc.mausch@gruene.de wrote: > Hallo, >=20 > dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. >=20 > Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich > die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. >=20 > Mit vielen Gr=FC=DFen, >=20 > Marc Mausch >=20 >=20 > Your message reads: >=20 > Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.grue= ne.de > (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for= ; > Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 > Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > =09by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27904; > =09Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) > From: raven-admin@ietf.org > Message-Id: <200003291700.MAA27904@optimus.ietf.org> > Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs > Reply-to: raven@ietf.org > X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 > Mime-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain > To: raven@ietf.org > Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org > Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org > X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 > Precedence: bulk > List-Id: Raven Discussion List > X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org >=20 >=20 > Send raven mailing list submissions to > =09raven@ietf.org >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > =09http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > =09raven-request@ietf.org > You can reach the person managing the list at > =09raven-admin@ietf.org >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of raven digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. SEC surveillance system (P.J. Ponder) > 2. Re: SEC surveillance system (Ted Gavin) >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) > From: "P.J. Ponder" > To: raven@ietf.org > Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system >=20 > (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is th= e > US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock > trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition > and to protect the innocent investing public.) >=20 >=20 > http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D16= 42499 >=20 > SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20 > 03:55EST=20 >=20 > By MARCY GORDON > AP Business Writer=20 > 03/29/00=20 >=20 > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for > phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated > surveillance system to search Web sites and message > boards for investment fraud.=20 >=20 > But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because > the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system > might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the > Internet.=20 >=20 > The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is > equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of > planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of > privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's > largest accounting and consulting firms.=20 >=20 > < . . . . > >=20 >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 2 > From: Ted Gavin > To: raven@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500 > Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc. > Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net >=20 > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >=20 > [snip...] >=20 > >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D1= 642499 > > > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20 > >03:55EST=20 > > > >By MARCY GORDON > >AP Business Writer=20 > >03/29/00=20 > > > >[snip...] > > > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is > >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of > >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of > >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's > >largest accounting and consulting firms.=20 >=20 > It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a > firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical > practices" in its Independent Auditing function. >=20 > Ted >=20 >=20 >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > raven mailing list > raven@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven >=20 >=20 > End of raven Digest >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > raven mailing list > raven@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven >=20 _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Thu Mar 30 12:17:38 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18104 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16093; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16065 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from green.gruene.de (www.gruene.de [193.97.251.133]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA17953 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:03:42 -0500 (EST) To: raven@ietf.org From: marc.mausch@gruene.de Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:48:51 +0200 Subject: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #169 - 2 msgs Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:48:50 +0200 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15914; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: raven-admin@ietf.org Message-Id: <200003301700.MAA15914@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #169 - 2 msgs Reply-to: raven@ietf.org X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: raven@ietf.org Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Send raven mailing list submissions to raven@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to raven-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at raven-admin@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of raven digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (marc.mausch@gruene.de) 2. Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (fwd) (P.J. Ponder) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: raven@ietf.org From: marc.mausch@gruene.de Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 Subject: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27904; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: raven-admin@ietf.org Message-Id: <200003291700.MAA27904@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Reply-to: raven@ietf.org X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: raven@ietf.org Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Send raven mailing list submissions to raven@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to raven-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at raven-admin@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of raven digest..." Today's Topics: 1. SEC surveillance system (P.J. Ponder) 2. Re: SEC surveillance system (Ted Gavin) -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: raven@ietf.org Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is the US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition and to protect the innocent investing public.) http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 SEC Creating Web Surveillance 03:55EST By MARCY GORDON AP Business Writer 03/29/00 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated surveillance system to search Web sites and message boards for investment fraud. But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the Internet. The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's largest accounting and consulting firms. < . . . . > -- __--__-- Message: 2 From: Ted Gavin To: raven@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500 Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc. Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote: [snip...] >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance >03:55EST > >By MARCY GORDON >AP Business Writer >03/29/00 > >[snip...] > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's >largest accounting and consulting firms. It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical practices" in its Independent Auditing function. Ted -- __--__-- _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven End of raven Digest --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: raven@ietf.org Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (fwd) Can someone who speaks German contact this person and let him or her know that their auto-responder is copying the list itself (raven@ietf.org) with all of it's outgoing messages? I tried, and got back an auto-reply in German.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:21:14 +0200 From: marc.mausch@gruene.de To: ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (unverified [199.44.37.210]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:21:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (ponder@localhost) by fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28027 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: marc.mausch@gruene.de Subject: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Marc, you appear to have the auto-reply function copying the Raven list itself. If you want to create a digest, that is good, but do you think it should be automatically sent to all the subscribers, whether they have asked for it or not? -- pj On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 marc.mausch@gruene.de wrote: > Hallo, >=20 > dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. >=20 > Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich > die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. >=20 > Mit vielen Gr=FC=DFen, >=20 > Marc Mausch >=20 >=20 > Your message reads: >=20 > Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.grue= ne.de > (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for= ; > Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 > Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > =09by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27904; > =09Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) > From: raven-admin@ietf.org > Message-Id: <200003291700.MAA27904@optimus.ietf.org> > Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs > Reply-to: raven@ietf.org > X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 > Mime-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain > To: raven@ietf.org > Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org > Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org > X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 > Precedence: bulk > List-Id: Raven Discussion List > X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org >=20 >=20 > Send raven mailing list submissions to > =09raven@ietf.org >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > =09http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > =09raven-request@ietf.org > You can reach the person managing the list at > =09raven-admin@ietf.org >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of raven digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. SEC surveillance system (P.J. Ponder) > 2. Re: SEC surveillance system (Ted Gavin) >=20 > -- __--__-- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) > From: "P.J. Ponder" > To: raven@ietf.org > Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system >=20 > (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is th= e > US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock > trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition > and to protect the innocent investing public.) >=20 >=20 > http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D16= 42499 >=20 > SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20 > 03:55EST=20 >=20 > By MARCY GORDON > AP Business Writer=20 > 03/29/00=20 >=20 > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for > phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated > surveillance system to search Web sites and message > boards for investment fraud.=20 >=20 > But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because > the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system > might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the > Internet.=20 >=20 > The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is > equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of > planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of > privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's > largest accounting and consulting firms.=20 >=20 > < . . . . > >=20 >=20 > -- __--__-- >=20 > Message: 2 > From: Ted Gavin > To: raven@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500 > Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc. > Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net >=20 > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >=20 > [snip...] >=20 > >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D1= 642499 > > > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20 > >03:55EST=20 > > > >By MARCY GORDON > >AP Business Writer=20 > >03/29/00=20 > > > >[snip...] > > > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is > >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of > >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of > >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's > >largest accounting and consulting firms.=20 >=20 > It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a > firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical > practices" in its Independent Auditing function. >=20 > Ted >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- __--__-- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > raven mailing list > raven@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven >=20 >=20 > End of raven Digest >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > raven mailing list > raven@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven >=20 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven End of raven Digest _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven From raven-admin@ietf.org Fri Mar 31 12:13:01 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA16117 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08051; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08028 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from green.gruene.de (www.gruene.de [193.97.251.133]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA16045 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:04:30 -0500 (EST) To: raven@ietf.org From: marc.mausch@gruene.de Message-Id: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:49:40 +0200 Subject: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #170 - 1 msg Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:49:40 +0200 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07858; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: raven-admin@ietf.org Message-Id: <200003311700.MAA07858@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #170 - 1 msg Reply-to: raven@ietf.org X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: raven@ietf.org Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Send raven mailing list submissions to raven@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to raven-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at raven-admin@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of raven digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #169 - 2 msgs (marc.mausch@gruene.de) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: raven@ietf.org From: marc.mausch@gruene.de Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:48:51 +0200 Subject: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #169 - 2 msgs Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:48:50 +0200 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15914; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: raven-admin@ietf.org Message-Id: <200003301700.MAA15914@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #169 - 2 msgs Reply-to: raven@ietf.org X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: raven@ietf.org Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Send raven mailing list submissions to raven@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to raven-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at raven-admin@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of raven digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (marc.mausch@gruene.de) 2. Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (fwd) (P.J. Ponder) -- __--__-- Message: 1 To: raven@ietf.org From: marc.mausch@gruene.de Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 Subject: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27904; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: raven-admin@ietf.org Message-Id: <200003291700.MAA27904@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Reply-to: raven@ietf.org X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: raven@ietf.org Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Raven Discussion List X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org Send raven mailing list submissions to raven@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to raven-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at raven-admin@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of raven digest..." Today's Topics: 1. SEC surveillance system (P.J. Ponder) 2. Re: SEC surveillance system (Ted Gavin) -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: raven@ietf.org Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is the US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition and to protect the innocent investing public.) http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 SEC Creating Web Surveillance 03:55EST By MARCY GORDON AP Business Writer 03/29/00 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated surveillance system to search Web sites and message boards for investment fraud. But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the Internet. The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's largest accounting and consulting firms. < . . . . > -- __--__-- Message: 2 From: Ted Gavin To: raven@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500 Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc. Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote: [snip...] >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499 > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance >03:55EST > >By MARCY GORDON >AP Business Writer >03/29/00 > >[snip...] > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's >largest accounting and consulting firms. It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical practices" in its Independent Auditing function. Ted -- __--__-- _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven End of raven Digest -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: raven@ietf.org Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (fwd) Can someone who speaks German contact this person and let him or her know that their auto-responder is copying the list itself (raven@ietf.org) with all of it's outgoing messages? I tried, and got back an auto-reply in German.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:21:14 +0200 From: marc.mausch@gruene.de To: ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs Hallo, dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. Mit vielen Grüßen, Marc Mausch Your message reads: Received: from fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (unverified [199.44.37.210]) by green.gruene.de (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:21:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (ponder@localhost) by fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28027 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: "P.J. Ponder" To: marc.mausch@gruene.de Subject: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Marc, you appear to have the auto-reply function copying the Raven list itself. If you want to create a digest, that is good, but do you think it should be automatically sent to all the subscribers, whether they have asked for it or not? -- pj On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 marc.mausch@gruene.de wrote: > Hallo, >=20 > dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort. >=20 > Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich > die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten. >=20 > Mit vielen Gr=FC=DFen, >=20 > Marc Mausch >=20 >=20 > Your message reads: >=20 > Received: from optimus.ietf.org (unverified [132.151.1.19]) by green.grue= ne.de > (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id for= ; > Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200 > Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > =09by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27904; > =09Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) > From: raven-admin@ietf.org > Message-Id: <200003291700.MAA27904@optimus.ietf.org> > Subject: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs > Reply-to: raven@ietf.org > X-mailer: Mailman v1.0 > Mime-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain > To: raven@ietf.org > Sender: raven-admin@ietf.org > Errors-To: raven-admin@ietf.org > X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 > Precedence: bulk > List-Id: Raven Discussion List > X-BeenThere: raven@ietf.org >=20 >=20 > Send raven mailing list submissions to > =09raven@ietf.org >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > =09http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > =09raven-request@ietf.org > You can reach the person managing the list at > =09raven-admin@ietf.org >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of raven digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. SEC surveillance system (P.J. Ponder) > 2. Re: SEC surveillance system (Ted Gavin) >=20 > -- __--__-- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST) > From: "P.J. Ponder" > To: raven@ietf.org > Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system >=20 > (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is th= e > US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock > trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition > and to protect the innocent investing public.) >=20 >=20 > http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D16= 42499 >=20 > SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20 > 03:55EST=20 >=20 > By MARCY GORDON > AP Business Writer=20 > 03/29/00=20 >=20 > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for > phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated > surveillance system to search Web sites and message > boards for investment fraud.=20 >=20 > But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because > the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system > might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the > Internet.=20 >=20 > The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is > equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of > planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of > privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's > largest accounting and consulting firms.=20 >=20 > < . . . . > >=20 >=20 > -- __--__-- >=20 > Message: 2 > From: Ted Gavin > To: raven@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500 > Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc. > Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net >=20 > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >=20 > [snip...] >=20 > >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D1= 642499 > > > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20 > >03:55EST=20 > > > >By MARCY GORDON > >AP Business Writer=20 > >03/29/00=20 > > > >[snip...] > > > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is > >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of > >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of > >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's > >largest accounting and consulting firms.=20 >=20 > It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a > firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical > practices" in its Independent Auditing function. >=20 > Ted >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- __--__-- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > raven mailing list > raven@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven >=20 >=20 > End of raven Digest >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > raven mailing list > raven@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven >=20 -- __--__-- _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven End of raven Digest --__--__-- _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven End of raven Digest _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven