From nobody Tue Feb 4 13:39:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietf.org Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC0C1200F5; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 13:39:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alissa Cooper via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: raw-chairs@ietf.org, raw@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alissa Cooper Message-ID: <158085239614.15693.12020911716179839628.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2020 13:39:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2020 21:39:56 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-raw-00-02: Block When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BLOCK: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I still feel that the charter is unclear on the relationship between "Aeronautical Data Applications" and the work of this WG. The charter says this is "one" critical application, but then uses the term "these newly identified industry applications" and "these newer industry applications." Do those snippets of text refer to multiple different aeronautical applications? Or do they refer to applications in other domains? Since the aeronautical applications are called out multiple times, are they expected to take precedence over other applications when the use cases and requirements are defined? Also, this is a little pedantic but since there has been a lot of confusion about this, I think it needs to be clarified: the charter says "RAW’s focus will be on identifying use cases and requirements for these new applications." Wouldn't we expect applications to flow from use cases, not the other way around? That is, if the WG intends to invent use cases for applications that already exist, that seems backwards. From nobody Tue Feb 4 15:29:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietf.org Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084171200B7; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 15:29:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: raw-chairs@ietf.org, raw@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alvaro Retana Message-ID: <158085899496.15681.5955595910954119251.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2020 15:29:54 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2020 23:29:55 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-raw-00-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support the first part of Alissa's BLOCK. This may be a nit, but I still find this sentence a little confusing: "Additional documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the publication format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is adopted by the group." The fact that the milestones point at RFCs seems to clarify the meaning of "published"; but the alternative to an RFC ("published") is more akin to a draft and not a document that exists in an external repository only. IOW, I would hope that if additional documents exist, that they do so either as an internet-draft or an RFC. This state is independent of the tools used for its development. 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X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:27:29 -0000 =C3=81lvaro, it might be that the working group would like the option of "publishing" documents containing background and working-group musings (perhaps lists of use cases and the like) only in github or only on a wiki, and not as I-Ds. I interpreted that as where the referenced text was going. Barry On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 6:30 PM Alvaro Retana via Datatracker wrote: > > Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-raw-00-02: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I support the first part of Alissa's BLOCK. > > This may be a nit, but I still find this sentence a little confusing: > "Additional documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the > publication format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the do= cument > is adopted by the group." > > The fact that the milestones point at RFCs seems to clarify the meaning o= f > "published"; but the alternative to an RFC ("published") is more akin to = a > draft and not a document that exists in an external repository only. IOW= , I > would hope that if additional documents exist, that they do so either as = an > internet-draft or an RFC. 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:00:56 -0000 Hi Deborah, > On Feb 5, 2020, at 11:49 AM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A = wrote: >=20 > Hi Alissa, >=20 > Please refer to Pascal=E2=80=99s reply for background. >=20 > I didn=E2=80=99t intend to scope this to only aeronautical = applications. I was only trying to point to it as one of the critical. = As the use cases are under discussion, I didn=E2=80=99t want at this = time to give =E2=80=9Cthe answer=E2=80=9D. The use case document has = more information. >=20 > As you and Alvaro are looking for more detail, would this sentence = added to the end of the second paragraph help? >=20 > =E2=80=9COther example wireless applications include Industrial, Pro = Audio and Video, Gaming, and Edge Robotics.=E2=80=9D Yes. I would recommend not capitalizing any of the application names in = the charter. >=20 > The intention of why this is not scoped specifically to aeronautical = is because the hope is to find a common solution for multiple = applications similar to the detnet, teas, and ccamp approach. >=20 > On your second part questioning which is first - applications or use = cases- I=E2=80=99m not sure the confusion. Some of these applications = already are existing with proprietary solutions. Others as Pascal noted = are waiting for technology improvements. Can you provide suggested = rewording to help us understand? Sure: RAW=E2=80=99s focus will be on specifying use cases associated with = these new applications and defining requirements derived from them. Thanks, Alissa >=20 > Thanks for your interest! > Deborah=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 4, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFAlissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for >> charter-ietf-raw-00-02: Block >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.or= g_doc_charter-2Dietf-2Draw_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D6UhG= pW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3D502tSGOqoismvYiL8leAR3QQnD4BL_k8zLb-AfTcfEo&s=3DugP= n41aRiN67TWEyT9eFhIzEILnyFFm_cKV5BmDYGBU&e=3D=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> BLOCK: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> I still feel that the charter is unclear on the relationship between >> "Aeronautical Data Applications" and the work of this WG. The charter = says this >> is "one" critical application, but then uses the term "these newly = identified >> industry applications" and "these newer industry applications." Do = those >> snippets of text refer to multiple different aeronautical = applications? Or do >> they refer to applications in other domains? Since the aeronautical >> applications are called out multiple times, are they expected to take >> precedence over other applications when the use cases and = requirements are >> defined? >>=20 >> Also, this is a little pedantic but since there has been a lot of = confusion >> about this, I think it needs to be clarified: the charter says = "RAW=E2=80=99s focus >> will be on identifying use cases and requirements for these new = applications." >> Wouldn't we expect applications to flow from use cases, not the other = way >> around? 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<158092909329.12742.15406793240954750367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 10:58:13 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on charter-ietf-raw-00-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 18:58:13 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-raw-00-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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From nobody Thu Feb 6 00:17:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietf.org Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0110120826; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 00:17:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: raw-chairs@ietf.org, raw@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.117.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <158097706565.12479.6022484382083008351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 00:17:45 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_charter-iet?= =?utf-8?q?f-raw-00-03?= X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:17:45 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-raw-00-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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From nobody Fri Feb 7 12:07:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietf.org Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0E31200C4; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:07:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.117.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: raw-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , raw@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <158110602630.11593.14192872850941945173.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:07:06 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:07:06 -0000 A new IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Rick Taylor Eve Schooler Assigned Area Director: Deborah Brungard Routing Area Directors: Alvaro Retana Deborah Brungard Martin Vigoureux Mailing list: Address: raw@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/raw/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability and availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The wireless medium presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties such as low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded latency. RAW extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high reliability and availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments and other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media resources with stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel hopping (TSCH), 3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE 802.11ax/be, and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. Similar to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, addressing the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high reliability and availability. While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has been recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not initially included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is Aeronautical Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a physical layer and data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there is significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other examples of potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and video, gaming, and edge robotics. In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly identified industry applications, RAW’s focus will be on specifying use cases associated with these new applications and defining requirements derived from them. RAW will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer industrial applications. RAW’s primary focus is on identifying areas where the DetNet adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may require additional supporting mechanisms. The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of other existing IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The RAW Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, MANET Working Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing solutions to RAW’s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to work on a solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will coordinate with the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is chosen for the solution work, the Working Group will recharter. The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 months) Working Group to quickly address these newer industry applications. The initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: Use Cases, Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, and an Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the publication format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide comprehensive deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the Aeronautical Data Communication applications. The group will closely coordinate with the DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group may be of interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry. Milestones: Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network Document Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis Document Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network Document submit to IESG Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis Document submit to IESG From nobody Fri Feb 7 12:09:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450611200B2 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:09:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.876 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.876 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y9b32MHiiAMw for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E724120052 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id z3so383328wru.3 for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:09:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=N/bRz8OIov1zZhEn8TK2TOQ8KulyHUTSPZKza+r2sMA=; b=j2K5pNcI331TlmSq0WNezcZq5p9oVT5pbcKzYf8LrAmNiU81XzkXOgdZBgJrlN4Uqd X2TE92uTewnCJeHA5/VLqfiFPxc7XQ1WtSCwQb+bwk75hbiQvX1/jYrx4tg2ZkWac1d5 vq6OxtN6Tk8MGjl2I550U980kziIJHIW11dAguB3vJJa8kDpnOf/YkcC1/ze7ejIDeH/ PTkR+KEw1uXRuFbUmRGZmrvvJ5ThyS+jhW609t5NlbRiwb3wmdmZWDmOmlqPmIac/0p6 xpZ89obnbSRAukTtQHOBwNOBP+2g4QJsEGRNk1mQfitILvFY9eMj3RXoKoydQloOs/1j ZGmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=N/bRz8OIov1zZhEn8TK2TOQ8KulyHUTSPZKza+r2sMA=; b=qYZFQ5EDBl7DZ2IGlhLf0XjgeF6MuiZigtSRnaeZLG0/DKe+Dg+peQG1BNoyOGRaim p2aPMLRwkkI1YSZrZYhHlMd9WjnZIdOPgQoujlRq+T0ZPM26OK+t2ll9DXaEiNTR2s3o onZxDSPvWqnlReRx6sT/NVIbi5jDPzwXM+nqO+bW55j4A0Z1LVmk3vaUlWQs7g6HM2v+ jAPenCyDNYpxN6OtyMNrf/Mzc9MRhVMBiJpVrYDw5RJQd+MOzcRp3RLKGJQrJ+rLYzv1 CnbbdnMLy4MDpTdjoJwdvkKW7a0Ecd4LXzbx6modw0P+a3H34u6Q1OgflAmy8nQip5AL Uw2g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUnvvgUQIQG2UgbDvIxFzr51CqDcRmJTVo+zhEhywvF4mrMUQjR mxtb9sP4XiDn6Hbht6U5DYPrCIiEnM3AHlTF8ynWvVkV X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxBsVEFg6X8mn+VzuvVw/dznRYq7gYTcO8qUvCwni4JfGcLeV0PUJWtGDmJEEyb7SHruI7kgqxsp+HsVfgBUeA= X-Received: by 2002:adf:fd87:: with SMTP id d7mr764814wrr.226.1581106171617; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:09:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <158110602630.11593.14192872850941945173.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <158110602630.11593.14192872850941945173.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:09:18 -0300 Message-ID: Cc: raw@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b63885059e01f708" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:09:36 -0000 --000000000000b63885059e01f708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations! Diego El vie., 7 de febrero de 2020 17:07, The IESG escribi=C3=B3: > A new IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional > information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. > > Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Current status: Proposed WG > > Chairs: > Rick Taylor > Eve Schooler > > Assigned Area Director: > Deborah Brungard > > Routing Area Directors: > Alvaro Retana > Deborah Brungard > Martin Vigoureux > > Mailing list: > Address: raw@ietf.org > To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw > Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/raw/ > > Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw/ > > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ > > Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability and > availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The wireless > medium > presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties such = as > low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded latency. R= AW > extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high reliability > and > availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments and > other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media resources with > stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel hopping (TSCH)= , > 3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE > 802.11ax/be, > and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. Simil= ar > to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, > addressing > the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high reliability > and > availability. > > While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has been > recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not initial= ly > included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is Aeronautica= l > Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a physical layer > and > data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there is > significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other examples of > potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and video, > gaming, and edge robotics. > > In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly identified > industry applications, RAW=E2=80=99s focus will be on specifying use case= s > associated > with these new applications and defining requirements derived from them. > RAW > will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational > practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer > industrial > applications. RAW=E2=80=99s primary focus is on identifying areas where t= he DetNet > adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may require > additional supporting mechanisms. > > The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of other existi= ng > IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The RAW > Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, MANET Worki= ng > Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing solution= s > to > RAW=E2=80=99s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to wor= k on a > solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will coordinate > with > the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is chosen for t= he > solution work, the Working Group will recharter. > > The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 months) > Working Group to quickly address these newer industry applications. The > initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: Use Case= s, > Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, and = an > Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional > documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the publication > format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is > adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more > documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide comprehensi= ve > deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the > Aeronautical > Data Communication applications. The group will closely coordinate with t= he > DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group may be o= f > interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry. > > Milestones: > > Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document > > Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document > > Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework Aspects for= a > Wireless Network Document > > Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG > > Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF > Technologies and Gap Analysis Document > > Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG > > Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network Docume= nt > submit to IESG > > Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis > Document submit to IESG > > > -- > Raw mailing list > Raw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw > --000000000000b63885059e01f708 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations!

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Diego

El vie., 7 de febrero de 2020 17:07, The IESG= <iesg-secretary@ietf.org= > escribi=C3=B3:
A new IETF WG h= as been formed in the Routing Area. For additional
information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs.

Reliable and Available Wireless (raw)
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Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
=C2=A0 Rick Taylor <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com> =C2=A0 Eve Schooler <eve.m.schooler@intel.com>

Assigned Area Director:
=C2=A0 Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>

Routing Area Directors:
=C2=A0 Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
=C2=A0 Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>
=C2=A0 Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>

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Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw= /

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/charter-ietf-raw/

Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability and
availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The wireless mediu= m
presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties such as=
low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded latency. RAW=
extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high reliability a= nd
availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments and other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media resources with
stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel hopping (TSCH),<= br> 3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE 802.11ax/be= ,
and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. Similar=
to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, addressin= g
the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high reliability a= nd
availability.

While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has been
recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not initially=
included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is Aeronautical<= br> Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a physical layer an= d
data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there is significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other examples of
potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and video, gaming, and edge robotics.

In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly identified industry applications, RAW=E2=80=99s focus will be on specifying use cases = associated
with these new applications and defining requirements derived from them. RA= W
will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational
practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer industri= al
applications. RAW=E2=80=99s primary focus is on identifying areas where the= DetNet
adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may require
additional supporting mechanisms.

The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of other existing=
IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The RAW=
Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, MANET Working=
Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing solutions = to
RAW=E2=80=99s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to work = on a
solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will coordinate wit= h
the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is chosen for the=
solution work, the Working Group will recharter.

The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 months)
Working Group to quickly address these newer industry applications. The
initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: Use Cases,=
Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, and an=
Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional
documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the publication format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is
adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more
documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide comprehensive=
deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the Aeronautic= al
Data Communication applications. The group will closely coordinate with the=
DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group may be of<= br> interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry.

Milestones:

=C2=A0 Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document

=C2=A0 Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document

=C2=A0 Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework Aspects = for a
=C2=A0 Wireless Network Document

=C2=A0 Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG

=C2=A0 Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF
=C2=A0 Technologies and Gap Analysis Document

=C2=A0 Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG

=C2=A0 Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network Doc= ument
=C2=A0 submit to IESG

=C2=A0 Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis=
=C2=A0 Document submit to IESG


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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: raw-chairs@ietf.org, raw@ietf.org, db3546@att.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.117.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158110696083.11598.10041428877781411594.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:22:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] raw - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:22:41 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Deborah Brungard, a RTG Area Director. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Reliable and Available Wireless Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Deborah Brungard Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: dtn coinrg Technology Overlap: detnet manet lpwan 6tisch Key Participant Conflict: netmod netconf People who must be present: Deborah Brungard Rick Taylor Eve Schooler Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Feb 8 04:15:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7CE120033 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 04:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_A506F6D6-FE4A-4A44-922A-9E7C2B7BC542" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 13:15:30 +0100 Cc: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" , "raw@ietf.org" Message-Id: <9A3F7740-A8E8-417C-A459-4C4576AD6EDE@imt-atlantique.fr> References: <158110602630.11593.14192872850941945173.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:15:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A506F6D6-FE4A-4A44-922A-9E7C2B7BC542 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Indeed, great news, congratulations !!!=20 Georgios > On Feb 7, 2020, at 21:17, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: >=20 > Yes =E2=80=93 Congratulations!!! > =20 > Now for the hard work=F0=9F=98=8A > =20 > Good weekends everyone- > Deborah > =20 > =20 > From: Raw On Behalf Of Prof. Diego Dujovne > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 3:09 PM > Cc: raw@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available Wireless = (raw) > =20 > Congratulations! > =20 > Diego > =20 > El vie., 7 de febrero de 2020 17:07, The IESG > escribi=C3=B3: > A new IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional > information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. >=20 > Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) > = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Current status: Proposed WG >=20 > Chairs: > Rick Taylor > > Eve Schooler > >=20 > Assigned Area Director: > Deborah Brungard > >=20 > Routing Area Directors: > Alvaro Retana > > Deborah Brungard > > Martin Vigoureux > >=20 > Mailing list: > Address: raw@ietf.org > To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw = > Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/raw/ = >=20 > Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw/ = >=20 > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ = >=20 > Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability = and > availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The wireless = medium > presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties = such as > low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded = latency. RAW > extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high = reliability and > availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments = and > other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media resources = with > stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel hopping = (TSCH), > 3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE = 802.11ax/be, > and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. = Similar > to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, = addressing > the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high = reliability and > availability. >=20 > While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has = been > recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not = initially > included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is = Aeronautical > Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a physical = layer and > data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there = is > significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other examples = of > potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and = video, > gaming, and edge robotics. >=20 > In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly = identified > industry applications, RAW=E2=80=99s focus will be on specifying use = cases associated > with these new applications and defining requirements derived from = them. RAW > will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational > practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer = industrial > applications. RAW=E2=80=99s primary focus is on identifying areas = where the DetNet > adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may = require > additional supporting mechanisms. >=20 > The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of other = existing > IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The = RAW > Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, MANET = Working > Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing = solutions to > RAW=E2=80=99s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to = work on a > solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will = coordinate with > the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is chosen = for the > solution work, the Working Group will recharter. >=20 > The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 = months) > Working Group to quickly address these newer industry applications. = The > initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: Use = Cases, > Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, = and an > Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional > documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the = publication > format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is > adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more > documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide = comprehensive > deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the = Aeronautical > Data Communication applications. The group will closely coordinate = with the > DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group may = be of > interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry. >=20 > Milestones: >=20 > Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document >=20 > Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document >=20 > Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework Aspects = for a > Wireless Network Document >=20 > Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG >=20 > Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF > Technologies and Gap Analysis Document >=20 > Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG >=20 > Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network = Document > submit to IESG >=20 > Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis > Document submit to IESG >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Raw mailing list > Raw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw = --=20 > Raw mailing list > Raw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw --Apple-Mail=_A506F6D6-FE4A-4A44-922A-9E7C2B7BC542 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Indeed, great news, congratulations !!! 

Georgios


On Feb 7, 2020, at 21:17, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com> = wrote:

Yes =E2=80=93 = Congratulations!!!
 
Now for the hard work=F0=9F=98=8A
 
Good = weekends everyone-
Deborah
 
 
From: Raw <raw-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Prof. Diego = Dujovne
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 = 3:09 PM
Cc: raw@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed = Reliable and Available Wireless (raw)
 
Congratulations!
 
    Diego
 
El vie., 7 de febrero de = 2020 17:07, The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> escribi=C3=B3:
A new = IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional
information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG = Chairs.

Reliable and Available Wireless = (raw)
---------------------------------------------------------------= --------
Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
  Rick Taylor <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com>
  = Eve Schooler <eve.m.schooler@intel.com>

Assigned Area Director:
  Deborah Brungard = <db3546@att.com>

Routing Area Directors:
  = Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
  Deborah = Brungard <db3546@att.com>
  Martin Vigoureux = <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>

Mailing list:
  Address: raw@ietf.org
  To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw
  Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/raw/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/

Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides = for high reliability and
availability for IP connectivity = over a wireless medium. The wireless medium
presents = significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties such as
low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and = bounded latency. RAW
extends the DetNet Working Group = concepts to provide for high reliability and
availability = for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments and
other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media = resources with
stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 = timeslotted channel hopping (TSCH),
3GPP 5G ultra-reliable = low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE 802.11ax/be,
and = L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. = Similar
to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio = layers underneath, addressing
the Layer 3 aspects in = support of applications requiring high reliability and
availability.

While DetNet = solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has been
recent industry interest for wireless applications which were = not initially
included in the DetNet use cases. One = critical application is Aeronautical
Data Communications. = The Aeronautical standards work on a physical layer and
data= link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there is
significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other = examples of
potential wireless applications include = industrial, pro audio and video,
gaming, and edge = robotics.

In the interests of providing = timely solutions for these newly identified
industry = applications, RAW=E2=80=99s focus will be on specifying use cases = associated
with these new applications and defining = requirements derived from them. RAW
will solicit input on = deployment plans, requirements, and operational
practices = (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer industrial
applications. RAW=E2=80=99s primary focus is on identifying = areas where the DetNet
adaptation to wireless networks and = other IETF technologies may require
additional supporting = mechanisms.

The RAW Working Group will also = examine the applicability of other existing
IETF work, = e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The RAW
Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, = MANET Working
Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and = cooperate in reviewing solutions to
RAW=E2=80=99s = identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to work on a
solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will = coordinate with
the IESG to determine where the work will = be done. If RAW is chosen for the
solution work, the = Working Group will recharter.

The RAW = Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 months)
Working Group to quickly address these newer industry = applications. The
initial milestones will be published as = Informational documents: Use Cases,
Requirements, = Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, and an
Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. = Additional
documents may be published or exist on a git = repository, the publication
format will be agreed by the = Working Group at the time the document is
adopted by the = group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more
documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide = comprehensive
deployment plans for these new (to IETF) = technologies, e.g., the Aeronautical
Data Communication = applications. The group will closely coordinate with the
DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this = group may be of
interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and = the Aeronautical industry.

Milestones:

  Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of = Use Cases Document

  Sep 2020 - = Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document

  Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of = Architecture/Framework Aspects for a
  Wireless = Network Document

  Nov 2020 - Use = Cases Document submit to IESG

  Dec = 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF
  Technologies and Gap Analysis Document
  Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG

  Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework = Aspects for a Wireless Network Document
  submit to = IESG

  Jun 2021 - Evaluation of = Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis
  = Document submit to IESG


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Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9A3F7740-A8E8-417C-A459-4C4576AD6EDE@imt-atlantique.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BBA1587F91377929B24AED14" Content-Language: de-DE Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:11:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BBA1587F91377929B24AED14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +1 Great work, folks! Let's continue! Regards, Corinna Am 08.02.20 um 13:15 schrieb Georgios Z. Papadopoulos: > Indeed, great news, congratulations !!!  > > Georgios > > >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 21:17, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > > wrote: >> >> Yes – Congratulations!!! >>   >> Now for the hard work😊 >>   >> Good weekends everyone- >> Deborah >>   >>   >> *From:* Raw > *On >> Behalf Of *Prof. Diego Dujovne >> *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2020 3:09 PM >> *Cc:* raw@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available >> Wireless (raw) >>   >> Congratulations! >>   >>     Diego >>   >> El vie., 7 de febrero de 2020 17:07, The IESG >> > escribió: >> >> A new IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional >> information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. >> >> Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Current status: Proposed WG >> >> Chairs: >>   Rick Taylor > > >>   Eve Schooler > > >> >> Assigned Area Director: >>   Deborah Brungard > >> >> Routing Area Directors: >>   Alvaro Retana > > >>   Deborah Brungard > >>   Martin Vigoureux > > >> >> Mailing list: >>   Address: raw@ietf.org >>   To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw >> >>   Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/raw/ >> >> >> Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw/ >> >> >> Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ >> >> >> Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high >> reliability and >> availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The >> wireless medium >> presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic >> properties such as >> low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded >> latency. RAW >> extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high >> reliability and >> availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless >> segments and >> other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media >> resources with >> stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel >> hopping (TSCH), >> 3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE >> 802.11ax/be, >> and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), >> etc. Similar >> to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, >> addressing >> the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high >> reliability and >> availability. >> >> While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there >> has been >> recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not >> initially >> included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is >> Aeronautical >> Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a >> physical layer and >> data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and >> there is >> significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other >> examples of >> potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and >> video, >> gaming, and edge robotics. >> >> In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly >> identified >> industry applications, RAW’s focus will be on specifying use >> cases associated >> with these new applications and defining requirements derived >> from them. RAW >> will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational >> practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these >> newer industrial >> applications. RAW’s primary focus is on identifying areas where >> the DetNet >> adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may >> require >> additional supporting mechanisms. >> >> The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of >> other existing >> IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). >> The RAW >> Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, >> MANET Working >> Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing >> solutions to >> RAW’s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to >> work on a >> solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will >> coordinate with >> the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is >> chosen for the >> solution work, the Working Group will recharter. >> >> The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 >> months) >> Working Group to quickly address these newer industry >> applications. The >> initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: >> Use Cases, >> Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless >> Network, and an >> Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional >> documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the >> publication >> format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the >> document is >> adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or >> more >> documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide >> comprehensive >> deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the >> Aeronautical >> Data Communication applications. The group will closely >> coordinate with the >> DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group >> may be of >> interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry. >> >> Milestones: >> >>   Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document >> >>   Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document >> >>   Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework >> Aspects for a >>   Wireless Network Document >> >>   Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG >> >>   Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF >>   Technologies and Gap Analysis Document >> >>   Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG >> >>   Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless >> Network Document >>   submit to IESG >> >>   Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap >> Analysis >>   Document submit to IESG >> >> >> --  >> Raw mailing list >> Raw@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw >> >> >> --  >> Raw mailing list >> Raw@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw > -- ****************************************************** Dr. Corinna Schmitt Researcher and Lab Manager Research Institute CODE Universität der Bundeswehr München Werner-Heisenberg-Weg 39 85577 Neubiberg, Germany Phone: +49 (0)89 6004 7314 Email: corinna.schmitt@unibw.de https://www.unibw.de/code https://www.corinna-schmitt.de --------------BBA1587F91377929B24AED14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +1 Great work, folks! Let's continue!

Regards, Corinna





Am 08.02.20 um 13:15 schrieb Georgios Z. Papadopoulos:
Indeed, great news, congratulations !!! 

Georgios


On Feb 7, 2020, at 21:17, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com> wrote:

Yes – Congratulations!!!
 
Now for the hard work😊
 
Good weekends everyone-
Deborah
 
 
From: Raw <raw-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Prof. Diego Dujovne
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 3:09 PM
Cc: raw@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available Wireless (raw)
 
Congratulations!
 
    Diego
 
El vie., 7 de febrero de 2020 17:07, The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> escribió:
A new IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional
information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs.

Reliable and Available Wireless (raw)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
  Rick Taylor <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com>
  Eve Schooler <eve.m.schooler@intel.com>

Assigned Area Director:
  Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>

Routing Area Directors:
  Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
  Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>
  Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>

Mailing list:
  Address: raw@ietf.org
  To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw
  Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/raw/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/

Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability and
availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The wireless medium
presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties such as
low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded latency. RAW
extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high reliability and
availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments and
other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media resources with
stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel hopping (TSCH),
3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE 802.11ax/be,
and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. Similar
to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, addressing
the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high reliability and
availability.

While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has been
recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not initially
included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is Aeronautical
Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a physical layer and
data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there is
significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other examples of
potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and video,
gaming, and edge robotics.

In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly identified
industry applications, RAW’s focus will be on specifying use cases associated
with these new applications and defining requirements derived from them. RAW
will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational
practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer industrial
applications. RAW’s primary focus is on identifying areas where the DetNet
adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may require
additional supporting mechanisms.

The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of other existing
IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The RAW
Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, MANET Working
Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing solutions to
RAW’s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to work on a
solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will coordinate with
the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is chosen for the
solution work, the Working Group will recharter.

The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 months)
Working Group to quickly address these newer industry applications. The
initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: Use Cases,
Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, and an
Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional
documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the publication
format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is
adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more
documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide comprehensive
deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the Aeronautical
Data Communication applications. The group will closely coordinate with the
DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group may be of
interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry.

Milestones:

  Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document

  Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document

  Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework Aspects for a
  Wireless Network Document

  Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG

  Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF
  Technologies and Gap Analysis Document

  Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG

  Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network Document
  submit to IESG

  Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis
  Document submit to IESG


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Research Institute CODE
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Werner-Heisenberg-Weg 39
85577 Neubiberg, Germany

Phone: +49 (0)89 6004 7314
Email: corinna.schmitt@unibw.de
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--------------BBA1587F91377929B24AED14-- From nobody Mon Feb 10 21:21:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DC0120052 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:21:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FDgaX3k2qsxV for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x231.google.com (mail-oi1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D526120041 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x231.google.com with SMTP id a22so11625749oid.13 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:21:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xPC/ac5x8l83FrC7Gymy/CYAyHcY5ebwPZPBxh9ITv8=; b=KQxMJl2ZLAqFfpZ6jxXrhSCOm7zOQUABNxpYWU3gHu2VQXatN5Rh4ikbZOjsEdJWiv EF5xH3yOX3P3HRAej1fCZh4huGxRA9JExV+AwSzJycdrHa+gjG6I5JvSgJWwkajGzjaH W3qYY/E026QvlLlMKCsAS3SIC/HkrOs5dbzZPvjgiLs+APyl726arrs7SCrhOWMr1kLv pxtr5PJELaum8SXHa4y1jKrd42G0BqTvoxY+PzfQ2GR3S2MSsZQp70SwxwZCkpiTURaF IC/PAQJVHVitoYf5b7IkiLyqd3i3iUQuWxUA3ciQFec/hq4+VLJirYiOv4y8YIR9FEeA YkGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xPC/ac5x8l83FrC7Gymy/CYAyHcY5ebwPZPBxh9ITv8=; b=uLtNkIrYdyJ5gjXh1mQuKdomiLnJObMY5zY0pJ4q+FOr8/kbG1Co08aM+1mcOMHAKX xEq4EYjNVJ+UTXOn8SHqaMBtmJEBDYFr1urOkHONz9FmmFmSoZXu86zEaQcQUl+o+p/6 KkOIOfLDjiILpdfLXDiqI72CNiukJ04MW9zySgdkvgycpfcvFCLKDJ5pSgr4PCc9tzU1 B7ogLok62Lk6NSakVmFJxpDCA4iFcNyDR2Io4Gcp9ee9PPDsK7Z5WvMMYeZE+aFt74Ek dU/6qrFtKO4YzW46Ewcx+thzEeSqja16IKB8ngP/xJVgwe4TmqJO9ZOk6ykQ8dFBArWg tzww== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXSxErbHg5qS//x+hxQXtyOOQhj7eKJzA8SrcCDnlk3yH7RMjUe yx9/+bI7gClUjlEYEF4PCffixBtV8UxTanQ7jidEfg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzF6VjDksgxET+mzZdCQeazxhd1yXXLD2Mm3fZkP23sLFm1qfj/h/Ti6QKdzPm4bLJ0g8HG4BWvayh6LB1g0Mg= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2210:: with SMTP id b16mr1752609oic.32.1581398493941; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:21:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <158110602630.11593.14192872850941945173.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:20:41 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" Cc: raw@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007ad42f059e46075d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Action: Formed Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 05:21:37 -0000 --0000000000007ad42f059e46075d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks, and congratulations AB On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:09 PM Prof. Diego Dujovne < diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote: > Congratulations! > > Diego > > El vie., 7 de febrero de 2020 17:07, The IESG > escribi=C3=B3: > >> A new IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional >> information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. >> >> Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Current status: Proposed WG >> >> Chairs: >> Rick Taylor >> Eve Schooler >> >> Assigned Area Director: >> Deborah Brungard >> >> Routing Area Directors: >> Alvaro Retana >> Deborah Brungard >> Martin Vigoureux >> >> Mailing list: >> Address: raw@ietf.org >> To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw >> Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/raw/ >> >> Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw/ >> >> Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-raw/ >> >> Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability and >> availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The wireless >> medium >> presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties such >> as >> low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded latency. >> RAW >> extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high reliabilit= y >> and >> availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments and >> other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media resources with >> stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel hopping (TSCH= ), >> 3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE >> 802.11ax/be, >> and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. >> Similar >> to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, >> addressing >> the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high reliabilit= y >> and >> availability. >> >> While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has been >> recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not >> initially >> included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is Aeronautic= al >> Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a physical layer >> and >> data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there i= s >> significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other examples of >> potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and video, >> gaming, and edge robotics. >> >> In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly identifie= d >> industry applications, RAW=E2=80=99s focus will be on specifying use cas= es >> associated >> with these new applications and defining requirements derived from them. >> RAW >> will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational >> practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer >> industrial >> applications. RAW=E2=80=99s primary focus is on identifying areas where = the DetNet >> adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may require >> additional supporting mechanisms. >> >> The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of other >> existing >> IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The RAW >> Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, MANET >> Working >> Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing >> solutions to >> RAW=E2=80=99s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to wo= rk on a >> solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will coordinate >> with >> the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is chosen for >> the >> solution work, the Working Group will recharter. >> >> The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 months) >> Working Group to quickly address these newer industry applications. The >> initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: Use >> Cases, >> Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, and >> an >> Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional >> documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the publication >> format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is >> adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more >> documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide >> comprehensive >> deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the >> Aeronautical >> Data Communication applications. The group will closely coordinate with >> the >> DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group may be = of >> interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry. >> >> Milestones: >> >> Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document >> >> Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document >> >> Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework Aspects fo= r >> a >> Wireless Network Document >> >> Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG >> >> Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF >> Technologies and Gap Analysis Document >> >> Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG >> >> Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network >> Document >> submit to IESG >> >> Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis >> Document submit to IESG >> >> >> -- >> Raw mailing list >> Raw@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw >> > -- > Raw mailing list > Raw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw > --0000000000007ad42f059e46075d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks, and congratulations

AB

On = Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:09 PM Prof. Diego Dujovne <diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote:
Congratul= ations!

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Diego

El vie., 7 de febrero de 2020 17:07, The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> escr= ibi=C3=B3:
A new= IETF WG has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional
information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs.

Reliable and Available Wireless (raw)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
=C2=A0 Rick Taylor <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com> =C2=A0 Eve Schooler <eve.m.schooler@intel.com>

Assigned Area Director:
=C2=A0 Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>

Routing Area Directors:
=C2=A0 Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
=C2=A0 Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>
=C2=A0 Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>

Mailing list:
=C2=A0 Address: raw@ietf.org
=C2=A0 To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailma= n/listinfo/raw
=C2=A0 Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org= /arch/browse/raw/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/raw= /

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/charter-ietf-raw/

Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability and
availability for IP connectivity over a wireless medium. The wireless mediu= m
presents significant challenges to achieve deterministic properties such as=
low packet error rate, bounded consecutive losses, and bounded latency. RAW=
extends the DetNet Working Group concepts to provide for high reliability a= nd
availability for an IP network utilizing scheduled wireless segments and other media, e.g., frequency/time-sharing physical media resources with
stochastic traffic: IEEE Std. 802.15.4 timeslotted channel hopping (TSCH),<= br> 3GPP 5G ultra-reliable low latency communications (URLLC), IEEE 802.11ax/be= ,
and L-band Digital Aeronautical Communications System (LDACS), etc. Similar=
to DetNet, RAW will stay abstract to the radio layers underneath, addressin= g
the Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring high reliability a= nd
availability.

While DetNet solutions apply to both wireless and wired, there has been
recent industry interest for wireless applications which were not initially=
included in the DetNet use cases. One critical application is Aeronautical<= br> Data Communications. The Aeronautical standards work on a physical layer an= d
data link layer for data communications is reaching maturity and there is significant interest in IP connectivity applications. Other examples of
potential wireless applications include industrial, pro audio and video, gaming, and edge robotics.

In the interests of providing timely solutions for these newly identified industry applications, RAW=E2=80=99s focus will be on specifying use cases = associated
with these new applications and defining requirements derived from them. RA= W
will solicit input on deployment plans, requirements, and operational
practices (including security and privacy aspects) for these newer industri= al
applications. RAW=E2=80=99s primary focus is on identifying areas where the= DetNet
adaptation to wireless networks and other IETF technologies may require
additional supporting mechanisms.

The RAW Working Group will also examine the applicability of other existing=
IETF work, e.g., MANET's dynamic link exchange protocol (DLEP). The RAW=
Working Group will provide input to the DetNet Working Group, MANET Working=
Group, and other IETF Working Groups, and cooperate in reviewing solutions = to
RAW=E2=80=99s identified deployment problems. RAW is not chartered to work = on a
solution. If solution work is needed, the Working Group will coordinate wit= h
the IESG to determine where the work will be done. If RAW is chosen for the=
solution work, the Working Group will recharter.

The RAW Working Group is planned to be a short timeframe (12-18 months)
Working Group to quickly address these newer industry applications. The
initial milestones will be published as Informational documents: Use Cases,=
Requirements, Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network, and an=
Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis. Additional
documents may be published or exist on a git repository, the publication format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time the document is
adopted by the group. The Use Case document may consist of one or more
documents to allow users/operators the opportunity to provide comprehensive=
deployment plans for these new (to IETF) technologies, e.g., the Aeronautic= al
Data Communication applications. The group will closely coordinate with the=
DetNet and MANET Working Groups. The work produced by this group may be of<= br> interest to other SDOs, 3GPP, IEEE, and the Aeronautical industry.

Milestones:

=C2=A0 Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Use Cases Document

=C2=A0 Sep 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Requirements Document

=C2=A0 Nov 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Architecture/Framework Aspects = for a
=C2=A0 Wireless Network Document

=C2=A0 Nov 2020 - Use Cases Document submit to IESG

=C2=A0 Dec 2020 - Working Group Adoption of Evaluation of Existing IETF
=C2=A0 Technologies and Gap Analysis Document

=C2=A0 Dec 2020 - Requirements Document submit to IESG

=C2=A0 Apr 2021 - Architecture/Framework Aspects for a Wireless Network Doc= ument
=C2=A0 submit to IESG

=C2=A0 Jun 2021 - Evaluation of Existing IETF Technologies and Gap Analysis=
=C2=A0 Document submit to IESG


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--0000000000007ad42f059e46075d-- From nobody Fri Feb 28 14:38:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietf.org Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB583A1F72; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 14:35:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: db3546@att.com, raw@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.119.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158292931815.19931.278586678104711535@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 14:35:18 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] raw - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:35:25 -0000 Dear Rick Taylor, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. raw Session 1 (2:00 requested) Monday, 23 March 2020, Afternoon Session II 1550-1750 Room Name: Plaza A size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/sessions/raw.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Reliable and Available Wireless Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Rick Taylor Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: dtn coinrg Technology Overlap: lpwan manet detnet 6tisch Key Participant Conflict: netmod netconf People who must be present: Rick Taylor Eve Schooler Deborah Brungard Resources Requested: Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------