From nobody Fri Apr 2 03:17:19 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: raw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCDF3A0C04 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 03:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MlidQa1ZPK1x for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 03:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-x62e.google.com (mail-ej1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9501C3A0C03 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 03:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id u17so537357ejk.2 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2021 03:17:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RdUQvEqZgtosY9HpDhdTSmmcJX8umXJ28ZvdWgk0yUg=; b=rQSeefJxrxUrTADpfWYJfDg041ORr2+10Fr3jTl8UtIk/COCLoqVGpPZDKO/8cHfmQ wcYb/r7ffOgTt0gKe267gDgnqwfohkPGbBE0k/E6HFU7+UAThVwdUtu8HIWSJ2P3VwOT DdFySi+AMcmvPKqDx+LNwlYmOAnGhqMIfNti+Eja9aQqw7OhAWmz19POOzC8hSxrIFt+ d/vaXuEZUrJhh1GgLepsYpKbr7JAWDTslFR4MPHEJSKnXu1WKSsaCCcddb3LPQNMulto BORldulQQzg4Glgm86IL9OzV8FIHoSjWM3r7Fbqr6hUX5CHCsLTCcxMgJqag2qKlMktN INCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RdUQvEqZgtosY9HpDhdTSmmcJX8umXJ28ZvdWgk0yUg=; b=rhjvDswc49lXtrefDohBrG6hK7xUUWIVFIxEEILVsufZTYuZsqIfHcI5h1pdcEVctB pWwYxANR6jsee2V9VwojWplu5gbAygb6WuDA/qJbD4kKR57CZsrg+GE9iUcpqp7Nc+Oh zwgnYhqXmm2g0luRVj5y5jqcyC+TBzp9FI02RxwzPx6Ne8LT9qdvon9/zQBwQ0yD1oZw r3S/1G1GhZ7/Y9vnC0OeSoJrd0ro9hODDx2hobr90QL1m3JD9lwdy14Q15kWZ1C3z4hE tIDgnMqjIWugZv5qQYBs6ODzkSER8K/hb4NGga5wVJeK+PKX5gnX8L0wt5Ham493UEVA Srow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530qkI9cotDPHOQcivl0aY8S+pJMQkyfXiUbCN3aPuD6vAyVJk2i CLKahHQ89IPUCIYAdHDphbCKZIZuW17GLm/0d4+/qg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzTa4du1PaNZb8kP1s7XyfTMrhmD3t7nJmcYHnWN4uJpSlTqjH5veA6hx2jyywqc6ZgPmQ038OPnns1KPPK6zI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:dfce:: with SMTP id jt14mr13498775ejc.83.1617358630524; Fri, 02 Apr 2021 03:17:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:16:57 -0300 Message-ID: To: Greg Mirsky Cc: "Schooler, Eve M" , raw-chairs@ietf.org, Fabrice Theoleyre , raw@ietf.org, "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a5ad1805befaa658" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt - Request WG adoption X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 10:17:19 -0000 --000000000000a5ad1805befaa658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of this draft. Regards, Diego El mi=C3=A9., 31 de marzo de 2021 13:44, Greg Mirsky escribi=C3=B3: > Hi Eve, et al., > I support the adoption of the draft (as co-author). > > Regards, > Greg > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 10:41 PM Schooler, Eve M > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I want to draw your attention to the request for adoption that was tucke= d >> away in the e-mail below. >> >> As a result, I=E2=80=99ve changed the Subject line accordingly. To be of= ficial >> about it, let=E2=80=99s target April 12th for final decision. >> >> We welcome your inputs. And thanks Fabrice, Georgios, and Greg for >> splitting the original draft into raw vs detnet concerns! >> >> >> >> Be well, Stay safe, >> >> Eve & Rick >> >> >> >> *From:* Fabrice Theoleyre >> *Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 AM >> *To:* raw@ietf.org >> *Cc:* Georgios Z. Papadopoulos = ; >> Greg Mirsky >> *Subject:* Re: [Raw] New Version Notification for >> draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt >> >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> The OAM draft is now properly organized: >> >> - everything specific to wireless networks is now in >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support >> >> - the generic concepts, applicable to detnet are now in >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework (with other >> documents for technology specific detnet OAM such as >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam ) >> >> >> >> As discussed at the beginning of the meeting Today, we would like to ask >> the WG for a call for adoption. >> >> >> >> If you identify some missing elements, or if you have some critics, we >> would be delighted to receive your feedback in order to improve our draf= t >> if it is incomplete. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Fabrice >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support >> Revision: 04 >> Title: Operations, Administration and Maintenance >> (OAM) features for RAW >> Document date: 2020-10-25 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 13 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support/ >> Htmlized: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 >> Diff: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 >> >> Abstract: >> Some critical applications may use a wireless infrastructure. >> However, wireless networks exhibit a bandwidth of several orders of >> magnitude lower than wired networks. Besides, wireless transmissions >> are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet cannot be decoded >> correctly by the receiver may be quite high. In these conditions, >> guaranteeing the network infrastructure works properly is >> particularly challenging, since we need to address some issues >> specific to wireless networks. This document lists the requirements >> of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features >> recommended to construct a predictable communication infrastructure >> on top of a collection of wireless segments. This document describes >> the benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless >> networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO). >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> >> >> >> > -- > RAW mailing list > RAW@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw > --000000000000a5ad1805befaa658 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support the adoption of this draft.
Re= gards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 Diego

El mi=C3=A9., 31 de marzo de 2021 13:44, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> escrib= i=C3=B3:
Hi Eve, e= t al.,
I support the adoption of the draft (as co-author).
Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 10:41 PM = Schooler, Eve M <eve.m.schooler@intel.com> wrote:
=

Hi All,

I want to draw your attention to the request for ado= ption that was tucked away in the e-mail below.

As a result, I=E2=80=99ve changed the Subject line a= ccordingly. To be official about it, let=E2=80=99s target April 12th for final decision.

We welcome your inputs. And thanks Fabrice, Georgios= , and Greg for splitting the original draft into raw vs detnet concerns!=

=C2=A0

Be well, Stay safe,

Eve & Rick

=C2=A0

From: Fabrice Theoleyre <theoleyre@unist= ra.fr>
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 AM
To: raw@ietf.org
Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos <georgios.papad= opoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>; Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com= >
Subject: Re: [Raw] New Version Notification for draft-theoleyre-raw-= oam-support-04.txt

=C2=A0

Dear all,=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The OAM draft is now properly organized:

- everything specific to wireless networks is now in= =C2=A0ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support=C2=A0=C2=A0

- the generic concepts, applicable to detnet are now= in=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework=C2=A0=C2=A0(with other documents for techno= logy specific detnet OAM such as https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam )<= /p>

=C2=A0

As discussed at the beginning of the meeting Today, = we would like to ask the WG for a call for adoption.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

If you identify some missing elements, or if you hav= e some critics, we would be delighted to receive your feedback in order to = improve our draft if it is incomplete.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Fabrice

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

A new version of I-D, d= raft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to the
IETF repository.

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Title:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Operations= , Administration and Maintenance (OAM) features for RAW
Document date:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2020-10-25
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URL: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/dr= aft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt
Status: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-o= am-support/
Htmlized: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-o= am-support
Htmlized: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04<= br> Diff: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Dd= raft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04

Abstract:
=C2=A0Some critical applications may use a wireless infrastructure.
=C2=A0However, wireless networks exhibit a bandwidth of several orders of =C2=A0magnitude lower than wired networks.=C2=A0 Besides, wireless transmis= sions
=C2=A0are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet cannot be decoded<= br> =C2=A0correctly by the receiver may be quite high.=C2=A0 In these condition= s,
=C2=A0guaranteeing the network infrastructure works properly is
=C2=A0particularly challenging, since we need to address some issues
=C2=A0specific to wireless networks.=C2=A0 This document lists the requirem= ents
=C2=A0of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features
=C2=A0recommended to construct a predictable communication infrastructure =C2=A0on top of a collection of wireless segments.=C2=A0 This document desc= ribes
=C2=A0the benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless
=C2=A0networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO).




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat

=C2=A0

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Papadopoulos" , Fabrice Theoleyre , "Prof. Diego Dujovne" To: raw-chairs@ietf.org, raw@ietf.org, "Schooler, Eve M" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Renater-Ptge-SpamState: clean X-Renater-Ptge-SpamScore: -100 X-Renater-Ptge-SpamCause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrudeiiedgheehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecutffgpfetvffgtfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffktgggufffjgfvfhfosegrtdhmrehhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpefmrghtihgrpgflrghffhhrqohsqdftuhhnshgvrhcuoehkjhhrsegvnhhsvggvihhhthdrfhhrqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeetheetiedvjeeiveefveeuueffkeelleegjeetfeetgeeivdfhgfdthffhffdvtdenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhfrdhorhhgnecukfhppeduleegrddvheegrddvgedurddvhedtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelgedrvdehgedrvdeguddrvdehtddphhgvlhhopedugeejrdduvdejrdekhedrvddvpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheppeeruhhtfhdqkeersfermfgrthhirggplfgrfhhfrhepveefpeetkehsqdftuhhnshgvrherpecuoehkjhhrsegvnhhsvggvihhhthdrfhhrqedprhgtphhtthhopehrrgifqdgthhgrihhrshesihgvthhfrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtoheprhgrfiesihgvthhfrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepvghvvgdrmhdrshgthhhoohhlvghrsehinhhtvghlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepghhrvghgihhmihhrshhkhiesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehgvghorhhg ihhoshdrphgrphgrughophhouhhlohhssehimhhtqdgrthhlrghnthhiqhhuvgdrfhhrpdhrtghpthhtohepthhhvgholhgvhihrvgesuhhnihhsthhrrgdrfhhrpdhrtghpthhtohepughivghgohdrughujhhovhhnvgesmhgrihhlrdhuughprdgtlh Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt - Request WG adoption X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 12:45:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_293E4312-1A5B-442D-B630-EC0189F58877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear all,=20 I support the adoption as well.=20 Best,=20 Katia. > Le 2 avr. 2021 =C3=A0 12:16, Prof. Diego Dujovne = a =C3=A9crit : >=20 > I support the adoption of this draft. > Regards, >=20 > Diego >=20 > El mi=C3=A9., 31 de marzo de 2021 13:44, Greg Mirsky = > escribi=C3=B3: > Hi Eve, et al., > I support the adoption of the draft (as co-author). >=20 > Regards, > Greg >=20 > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 10:41 PM Schooler, Eve M = > wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > I want to draw your attention to the request for adoption that was = tucked away in the e-mail below. >=20 > As a result, I=E2=80=99ve changed the Subject line accordingly. To be = official about it, let=E2=80=99s target April 12th for final decision. >=20 > We welcome your inputs. And thanks Fabrice, Georgios, and Greg for = splitting the original draft into raw vs detnet concerns! >=20 > =20 >=20 > Be well, Stay safe, >=20 > Eve & Rick >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Fabrice Theoleyre >=20 > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 AM > To: raw@ietf.org > Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos >; Greg Mirsky = > > Subject: Re: [Raw] New Version Notification for = draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt >=20 > =20 >=20 > Dear all,=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > The OAM draft is now properly organized: >=20 > - everything specific to wireless networks is now in = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support = =20 >=20 > - the generic concepts, applicable to detnet are now in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework = (with = other documents for technology specific detnet OAM such = ashttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam = ) >=20 > =20 >=20 > As discussed at the beginning of the meeting Today, we would like to = ask the WG for a call for adoption.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > If you identify some missing elements, or if you have some critics, we = would be delighted to receive your feedback in order to improve our = draft if it is incomplete.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Fabrice >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt > has been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support > Revision: 04 > Title: Operations, Administration and Maintenance = (OAM) features for RAW > Document date: 2020-10-25 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 13 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt = > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support/ = > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support = > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 = > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 = >=20 > Abstract: > Some critical applications may use a wireless infrastructure. > However, wireless networks exhibit a bandwidth of several orders of > magnitude lower than wired networks. Besides, wireless transmissions > are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet cannot be decoded > correctly by the receiver may be quite high. In these conditions, > guaranteeing the network infrastructure works properly is > particularly challenging, since we need to address some issues > specific to wireless networks. This document lists the requirements > of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features > recommended to construct a predictable communication infrastructure > on top of a collection of wireless segments. This document describes > the benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless > networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO). >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org = . >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > --=20 > RAW mailing list > RAW@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw = > --=20 > RAW mailing list > RAW@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw --Apple-Mail=_293E4312-1A5B-442D-B630-EC0189F58877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear all, 
I support the adoption as = well. 
Best, 
Katia.

Le 2 avr. 2021 =C3=A0 12:16, Prof. Diego Dujovne <diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> a =C3=A9crit :

I support the adoption of this draft.
Regards,

      = Diego

El mi=C3=A9., 31 de marzo de 2021 = 13:44, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> escribi=C3=B3:
Hi Eve, et al.,
I support the adoption of the = draft (as co-author).

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 10:41 PM Schooler, Eve M = <eve.m.schooler@intel.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I want to draw your attention = to the request for adoption that was tucked away in the e-mail below.

As a = result, I=E2=80=99ve changed the Subject line accordingly. To be = official about it, let=E2=80=99s target April 12th = for final decision.

We welcome your inputs. And thanks Fabrice, = Georgios, and Greg for splitting the original draft into raw vs detnet = concerns!

 

Be = well, Stay safe,

Eve & Rick

 

From: Fabrice Theoleyre <theoleyre@unistra.fr>
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 AM
To: raw@ietf.org
Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>; Greg Mirsky = <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
= Subject: Re: [Raw] New Version Notification for = draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt

 

Dear all, 

 

The OAM draft is now properly = organized:

- everything specific to wireless = networks is now in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-suppor= t  

- the generic concepts, = applicable to detnet are now in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework=   (with other documents for technology specific detnet OAM such as https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam )

 

As discussed at the beginning of = the meeting Today, we would like to ask the WG for a call for = adoption. 

 

If you identify some missing = elements, or if you have some critics, we would be delighted to receive = your feedback in order to improve our draft if it is incomplete. 

 

Best regards,

Fabrice

 

 

 

 

 

A new version of I-D, = draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to = the
IETF repository.

Name:          &nb= sp;       = draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support
Revision:          &nb= sp;   04
Title:          &nb= sp;          = Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) features for = RAW
Document date:          &nb= sp;    2020-10-25
Group:          &nb= sp;       Individual Submission
Pages:          &nb= sp;       13
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support= -04.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-suppor= t/
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-s= upport
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04<= /a>
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-theoleyre-raw-oam-sup= port-04

Abstract:
 Some critical applications may use a wireless infrastructure.
 However, wireless networks exhibit a bandwidth of several orders = of
 magnitude lower than wired networks.  Besides, wireless = transmissions
 are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet cannot be = decoded
 correctly by the receiver may be quite high.  In these = conditions,
 guaranteeing the network infrastructure works properly is
 particularly challenging, since we need to address some issues
 specific to wireless networks.  This document lists the = requirements
 of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) = features
 recommended to construct a predictable communication = infrastructure
 on top of a collection of wireless segments.  This document = describes
 the benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in = wireless
 networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO).




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat

 

 

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Papadopoulos" Message-Id: <44FE5B9F-240B-4069-9512-C60C591ACC09@imt-atlantique.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_19CAF94F-3590-455B-9EFD-F85A91529359" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:23:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Fabrice Theoleyre , "raw@ietf.org" , "raw-chairs@ietf.org" , Greg Mirsky To: "Schooler, Eve M" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt - Request WG adoption X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:24:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_19CAF94F-3590-455B-9EFD-F85A91529359 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Eve, et al., I support the adoption of the "Operations, Administration and = Maintenance (OAM) features for RAW" draft (as co-author). Stay safe, Georgios > On Mar 31, 2021, at 07:41, Schooler, Eve M = wrote: >=20 > Hi All, > I want to draw your attention to the request for adoption that was = tucked away in the e-mail below. > As a result, I=E2=80=99ve changed the Subject line accordingly. To be = official about it, let=E2=80=99s target April 12th for final decision. > We welcome your inputs. And thanks Fabrice, Georgios, and Greg for = splitting the original draft into raw vs detnet concerns! > =20 > Be well, Stay safe, > Eve & Rick > =20 > From: Fabrice Theoleyre >=20 > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 AM > To: raw@ietf.org > Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos >; Greg Mirsky = > > Subject: Re: [Raw] New Version Notification for = draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt > =20 > Dear all,=20 > =20 > The OAM draft is now properly organized: > - everything specific to wireless networks is now in = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support = =20 > - the generic concepts, applicable to detnet are now in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework = (with = other documents for technology specific detnet OAM such as = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam = ) > =20 > As discussed at the beginning of the meeting Today, we would like to = ask the WG for a call for adoption.=20 > =20 > If you identify some missing elements, or if you have some critics, we = would be delighted to receive your feedback in order to improve our = draft if it is incomplete.=20 > =20 > Best regards, > Fabrice > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > A new version of I-D, draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt > has been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support > Revision: 04 > Title: Operations, Administration and Maintenance = (OAM) features for RAW > Document date: 2020-10-25 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 13 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt = > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support/ = > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support = > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 = > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 = >=20 > Abstract: > Some critical applications may use a wireless infrastructure. > However, wireless networks exhibit a bandwidth of several orders of > magnitude lower than wired networks. Besides, wireless transmissions > are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet cannot be decoded > correctly by the receiver may be quite high. In these conditions, > guaranteeing the network infrastructure works properly is > particularly challenging, since we need to address some issues > specific to wireless networks. This document lists the requirements > of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features > recommended to construct a predictable communication infrastructure > on top of a collection of wireless segments. This document describes > the benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless > networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO). >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org = . >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > --=20 > RAW mailing list > RAW@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw = --Apple-Mail=_19CAF94F-3590-455B-9EFD-F85A91529359 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello Eve, et al.,

I = support the adoption of the "Operations, Administration and Maintenance = (OAM) features for RAW" draft (as co-author).

Stay safe,
Georgios

On Mar 31, 2021, at 07:41, = Schooler, Eve M <eve.m.schooler@intel.com> wrote:

Hi All,
I want to draw your attention to the request for = adoption that was tucked away in the e-mail below.
As a result, I=E2=80=99ve = changed the Subject line accordingly. To be official about it, let=E2=80=99= s target April 12th for final decision.
We welcome your inputs. = And thanks Fabrice, Georgios, and Greg for splitting the original draft = into raw vs detnet concerns!
 
Be well, Stay safe,
Eve & Rick
 
From: Fabrice Theoleyre <theoleyre@unistra.fr> 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 = AM
To: raw@ietf.org
Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos = <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>; Greg Mirsky = <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Raw] New Version = Notification for draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt
 
Dear all, 
 
The = OAM draft is now properly organized:
- everything specific to wireless = networks is now in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-suppor= t  
- the generic concepts, applicable to = detnet are now in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework=   (with other documents for technology specific detnet OAM = such as https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam )
 
As = discussed at the beginning of the meeting Today, we would like to ask = the WG for a call for adoption. 
 
If = you identify some missing elements, or if you have some critics, we = would be delighted to receive your feedback in order to improve our = draft if it is incomplete. 
 
Best = regards,
Fabrice
 
 
 
 
 

A new = version of I-D, draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt
has = been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:        &= nbsp;         draft-theoleyre-raw-oa= m-support
Revision:        &= nbsp;     04
Title:        &= nbsp;            Operations, = Administration and Maintenance (OAM) features for RAW
Document date:        &= nbsp;      2020-10-25
Group:        &= nbsp;         Individual = Submission
Pages:        &= nbsp;         13
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support= -04.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-suppor= t/
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-s= upport
Htmlized: =       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04<= /a>
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-theoleyre-raw-oam-sup= port-04

Abstract:
 Some critical applications may use a wireless = infrastructure.
 However, wireless networks exhibit a = bandwidth of several orders of
 magnitude lower than = wired networks.  Besides, wireless transmissions
 are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet = cannot be decoded
 correctly by the receiver may be = quite high.  In these conditions,
 guaranteeing = the network infrastructure works properly is
 particularly challenging, since we need to address some = issues
 specific to wireless networks.  This = document lists the requirements
 of the Operation, = Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features
 recommended to construct a predictable communication = infrastructure
 on top of a collection of wireless = segments.  This document describes
 the = benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless
 networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO).




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the = time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are = available at tools.ietf.org.

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Papadopoulos" References: <44FE5B9F-240B-4069-9512-C60C591ACC09@imt-atlantique.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Renater-Ptge-SpamState: clean X-Renater-Ptge-SpamScore: -100 X-Renater-Ptge-SpamCause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrudekledgudeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecutffgpfetvffgtfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffktgggufffjgfvfhfosehgtdhmrehhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpefhrggsrhhitggvucfvhhgvohhlvgihrhgvuceothhhvgholhgvhihrvgesuhhnihhsthhrrgdrfhhrqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeejleegkeeukeevkeeihfethefhieegheduudeggfejjedvleejleehheeugfdvhfenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhfrdhorhhgnecukfhppeduleegrddvheegrddvgedurddvgeelnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelgedrvdehgedrvdeguddrvdegledphhgvlhhopegludelvddrudeikedruddrudeglegnpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhephfgrsghrihgtvgcuvfhhvgholhgvhihrvgcuoehthhgvohhlvgihrhgvsehunhhishhtrhgrrdhfrheqpdhrtghpthhtohepghgvohhrghhiohhsrdhprghprgguohhpohhulhhoshesihhmthdqrghtlhgrnhhtihhquhgvrdhfrhdprhgtphhtthhopegvvhgvrdhmrdhstghhohholhgvrhesihhnthgvlhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehrrgifsehivghtfhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopehrrgifqdgthhgrihhrshesihgvthhfrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthht ohepghhrvghgihhmihhrshhkhiesghhmrghilhdrtghomh Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt - Request WG adoption X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:27:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B47A85AF-CA87-43BB-9710-B5C066D5C278 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5525CAA9-3C87-4188-B72B-F2829ADFA5A5" --Apple-Mail=_5525CAA9-3C87-4188-B72B-F2829ADFA5A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Similarly, I support the draft as co-author. Bets regards, Fabrice > Le 13 avr. 2021 =C3=A0 11:23, Georgios Z. Papadopoulos = a =C3=A9crit : >=20 > Hello Eve, et al., >=20 > I support the adoption of the "Operations, Administration and = Maintenance (OAM) features for RAW" draft (as co-author). >=20 > Stay safe, > Georgios >=20 >> On Mar 31, 2021, at 07:41, Schooler, Eve M > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi All, >> I want to draw your attention to the request for adoption that was = tucked away in the e-mail below. >> As a result, I=E2=80=99ve changed the Subject line accordingly. To be = official about it, let=E2=80=99s target April 12th for final decision. >> We welcome your inputs. And thanks Fabrice, Georgios, and Greg for = splitting the original draft into raw vs detnet concerns! >> =20 >> Be well, Stay safe, >> Eve & Rick >> =20 >> From: Fabrice Theoleyre >=20 >> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 AM >> To: raw@ietf.org >> Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos >; Greg Mirsky = > >> Subject: Re: [Raw] New Version Notification for = draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt >> =20 >> Dear all,=20 >> =20 >> The OAM draft is now properly organized: >> - everything specific to wireless networks is now in = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support = =20 >> - the generic concepts, applicable to detnet are now in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework = (with = other documents for technology specific detnet OAM such as = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam = ) >> =20 >> As discussed at the beginning of the meeting Today, we would like to = ask the WG for a call for adoption.=20 >> =20 >> If you identify some missing elements, or if you have some critics, = we would be delighted to receive your feedback in order to improve our = draft if it is incomplete.=20 >> =20 >> Best regards, >> Fabrice >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to = the >> IETF repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support >> Revision: 04 >> Title: Operations, Administration and Maintenance = (OAM) features for RAW >> Document date: 2020-10-25 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 13 >> URL: = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt = >> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support/ = >> Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support = >> Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 = >> Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04 = >>=20 >> Abstract: >> Some critical applications may use a wireless infrastructure. >> However, wireless networks exhibit a bandwidth of several orders of >> magnitude lower than wired networks. Besides, wireless = transmissions >> are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet cannot be decoded >> correctly by the receiver may be quite high. In these conditions, >> guaranteeing the network infrastructure works properly is >> particularly challenging, since we need to address some issues >> specific to wireless networks. This document lists the requirements >> of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features >> recommended to construct a predictable communication infrastructure >> on top of a collection of wireless segments. This document = describes >> the benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless >> networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO). >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org = . >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> --=20 >> RAW mailing list >> RAW@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw = --Apple-Mail=_5525CAA9-3C87-4188-B72B-F2829ADFA5A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Similarly, I support the draft as co-author.
Bets regards,
Fabrice

Le 13 avr. 2021 =C3=A0 11:23, = Georgios Z. Papadopoulos <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr> a =C3=A9crit = :

Hello = Eve, et al.,

I support the = adoption of the "Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) = features for RAW" draft (as co-author).

Stay safe,
Georgios

On Mar = 31, 2021, at 07:41, Schooler, Eve M <eve.m.schooler@intel.com> wrote:

Hi All,
I want to draw your attention to the request for = adoption that was tucked away in the e-mail below.
As a result, I=E2=80=99ve = changed the Subject line accordingly. To be official about it, let=E2=80=99= s target April 12th for final decision.
We welcome your inputs. = And thanks Fabrice, Georgios, and Greg for splitting the original draft = into raw vs detnet concerns!
 
Be well, Stay safe,
Eve & Rick
 
From: Fabrice Theoleyre <theoleyre@unistra.fr> 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 8:35 = AM
To: raw@ietf.org
Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos = <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>; Greg Mirsky = <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Raw] New Version = Notification for draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt
 
Dear all, 
 
The = OAM draft is now properly organized:
- everything specific to wireless = networks is now in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-suppor= t  
- the generic concepts, applicable to = detnet are now in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tpmb-detnet-oam-framework=   (with other documents for technology specific detnet OAM = such as https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam )
 
As = discussed at the beginning of the meeting Today, we would like to ask = the WG for a call for adoption. 
 
If = you identify some missing elements, or if you have some critics, we = would be delighted to receive your feedback in order to improve our = draft if it is incomplete. 
 
Best = regards,
Fabrice
 
 
 
 
 

A new = version of I-D, draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt
has = been successfully submitted by Fabrice Theoleyre and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:        &= nbsp;         draft-theoleyre-raw-oa= m-support
Revision:        &= nbsp;     04
Title:        &= nbsp;            Operations, = Administration and Maintenance (OAM) features for RAW
Document date:        &= nbsp;      2020-10-25
Group:        &= nbsp;         Individual = Submission
Pages:        &= nbsp;         13
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support= -04.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-suppor= t/
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-s= upport
Htmlized: =       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04<= /a>
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-theoleyre-raw-oam-sup= port-04

Abstract:
 Some critical applications may use a wireless = infrastructure.
 However, wireless networks exhibit a = bandwidth of several orders of
 magnitude lower than = wired networks.  Besides, wireless transmissions
 are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet = cannot be decoded
 correctly by the receiver may be = quite high.  In these conditions,
 guaranteeing = the network infrastructure works properly is
 particularly challenging, since we need to address some = issues
 specific to wireless networks.  This = document lists the requirements
 of the Operation, = Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features
 recommended to construct a predictable communication = infrastructure
 on top of a collection of wireless = segments.  This document describes
 the = benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless
 networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO).




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the = time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are = available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat

 
 
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DB6PR0802MB2151.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] Fwd: draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support-04.txt - Request WG adoption X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:58:04 -0000 Hi, Considering that this draft lists the requirements of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features that are recommended to construct a reliable and available networking over a collection of wireless segments. I support the adoption of this draft. Best Regards, Dan. 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From: Rute Sofia To: "Raw-chairs@ietf.org" , "raw@ietf.org" CC: Matthias Kovatsch , "Milheiro Mendes, Paulo Jorge" Thread-Topic: draft "Requirements for Reliable Wireless Industrial Services" Thread-Index: AdcxEd6YjM8G4HDQQTik01/dQZzBIQ== Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:42:12 +0000 Message-ID: <14b9d7fad71649b289a9e11881465016@fortiss.org> Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.0.10.12] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_14b9d7fad71649b289a9e11881465016fortissorg_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Raw] draft "Requirements for Reliable Wireless Industrial Services" X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:42:29 -0000 --_004_14b9d7fad71649b289a9e11881465016fortissorg_ Content-Type: 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Dear Eve, Dirk, All

 

As follow up of the discussion held on the last IETF= RAW meeting, concerning the proposed draft on requirements (https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sofia-raw-industrialreq/ ) I would like to ask for the follow-up discussion on the mailing-list.

 

Specifically, we discussed on the need to cross-refe= rence between this and the adopted use-cases draft; and to start a discussi= on on how/whether to go ahead. Would be great to have your 2cents.

 

Best Regards,

 

Dr. Rute Sofia

Head of Competence Field

 

 

3D"signature_144464776"

 

fortiss GmbH

Landesforschungsinstitut des Freistaats Ba= yern 

f=FCr softwareintensive Systeme
An-Institut Technische Universit=E4t M=FCnchen

 

Guerickestra=DFe 25, 80805 M=FCnchen, Germ= any

 

T: +49 (89) 3603522 170

F: +49 (89) 3603522 50

sofia@fortiss.org

https://www.fortiss.org/

 

 

Amtsgericht M=FCnchen: HRB: 176633

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Rechtsform: gemeinn=FCtzige GmbH

Sitz der Gesellschaft: M=FCnchen

Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Dr. Harald Rue=DF, Th= omas Vallon

Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Manfre= d Wolter=

 

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cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.19, xbe-aln-004.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-10.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:25:31 -0000 Dear Nils, Thomas and Corinna: Please find my WGLC review on the RAW LDACS document. It is a great read, v= ery informative, and I support its publication. I believe it is almost ready for the publication request, with the few nits= below: -------- "VDLM2"please expand on first use. A reference that discusses VHF for aircr= aft communication could be useful. ----------- " LDACS SHALL provide a data link for IP network-based aircraft guidance. " " ATM communication SHALL transition from analogue VHF voice and VDLM2 communication to " " LDACS SHALL enable IPv6 based air- ground communication related to the aviation safety and regularity of flight." Etc... : Please do not use BCP 14 (remove all uppercased SHALL, MAY, REQUI= RED, etc...) in this document 10.3 are verbatim from the IWA2018 then you can keep the uppercase but ther= e should be quotes. Reason 1) This is not a standard track work, and 2) the mandate expressed b= y the uppercase is enforced in other specs not this.=20 Note that if the SHALLs in=20 Also: A reference to support the claim about IPv6 would be welcome. ----------- ATC Air-Traffic Control ... ATS Air Traffic Services Should you use "Air-Traffic" or "Air Traffic"? ----------- " communications is " : plural or singular? ----------- "other users MAY encounter communication problems and MAY be supported, if REQUIRED": quite unclear what the "other users" are and wh= at "supported" means here. I expect other types of communication? ----------- "There is currently no "IPv6 over LDACS" specification": maybe the IETF sho= uld work on this? At 6lo?=20 ----------- "This work is conducted by ICAO Communication Panel working group WG-I.": Is that related to Fred's work= on AERO https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-templin-intarea-6706bis-39? If s= o a link to Fred's spec is welcome ------------- "Air Traffic Services (including ATS-B3)": This is the first use of ATS, ma= ybe the place to indicate the acronym which appears later without an expans= ion. See also GBAS, FANS. --------------- " AOC is a generic term referring to the business communication of airlines. ": this could have been said earlier since AO= C is used throughout the spec, not to mean French Wine ;) ---------------- "5.2.5. LDACS Navigation" this whole section seems related to the GBAS dis= cussion earlier. Is it possible to regroup or at least X ref? --------------- " Aircraft thus transmit": Plural "Aircrafts"? --------------- Section 8.2: This is probably where RAW would be discussed a bit more, posi= tioning what RAW can do and why it's a good complement. --------------- Sections 9.X: it would be nice to expand the acronyms in the titles so the = unaccustomed reader does not need to look it up. ------ Section 9.2: It would be nice to discuss scheduling capabilities. Is there = a way to obtain a recurrent access to data channel, e.g. to control an AS i= n a drone? ------=20 " to the ground IPS network": IPS ? Missing from acronym list, not expanded= on first use. Same goes for STS -------- "(1) the AS, (2) the GS, (3) the GS, and (4) the Network Operator.": Did yo= u intend GSC? -------- "identification such as MAC addresses": We are going away from a model wher= e MAC is used as ID, see MADINAS. Suggestion to remove this text. ---------- You all keep safe; Pascal From: RAW On Behalf Of Schooler, Eve M Sent: mercredi 31 mars 2021 6:15 To: raw@ietf.org Cc: Schooler, Eve M ; Rick Taylor Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS Just a friendly reminder to all.... From: Rick Taylor =20 Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:34 AM To: mailto:raw@ietf.org Subject: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS Hi All, As discussed at the IETF-110 meeting, the authors of LDACS consider the dra= ft to be complete and ready for Last Call. To this end, the chairs are starting an 8 week Last Call for this document,= ending 19th April. Please take the time to read and review the draft, it is owned by the WG, a= nd it is our responsibility to ensure that we are happy with it before it i= s submitted to the IESG for publication. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------674979B1F304465F7CF2A8F7" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS X-BeenThere: raw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: reliable and available wireless List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------674979B1F304465F7CF2A8F7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AC6416C2A95BDB33DA523BE3" --------------AC6416C2A95BDB33DA523BE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Pascal, thanks for the review. We will address it next days and upload a new version. Regards, Corinna Am 21.04.21 um 15:25 schrieb Pascal Thubert (pthubert): > Dear Nils, Thomas and Corinna: > > Please find my WGLC review on the RAW LDACS document. It is a great > read, very informative, and I support its publication. > > I believe it is almost ready for the publication request, with the few > nits below: > > -------- > > "VDLM2"please expand on first use. A reference that discusses VHF for > aircraft communication could be useful. > > ----------- > > " >                                                 LDACS SHALL provide >    a data link for IP network-based aircraft guidance. > " > " >                 ATM communication SHALL transition from analogue >    VHF voice and VDLM2 communication to > " > "                                                               LDACS > SHALL enable IPv6 >    based air- ground communication related to the aviation safety and >    regularity of flight." > Etc...  : Please do not use BCP 14 (remove all uppercased SHALL, MAY, > REQUIRED, etc...) in this document > 10.3 are verbatim from the IWA2018 then you can keep the uppercase but > there should be quotes. > Reason 1) This is not a standard track work, and 2) the mandate > expressed by the uppercase is enforced in other specs not this. > Note that if the SHALLs in > > Also: A reference to support the claim about IPv6 would be welcome. > > ----------- > ATC  Air-Traffic Control > ... > ATS  Air Traffic Services > > Should you use "Air-Traffic" or "Air Traffic"? > > ----------- > > "  communications is " : plural or singular? > > ----------- > > "other users MAY encounter communication problems and MAY be >    supported, if REQUIRED": quite unclear what the "other users" are > and what "supported" means here. I expect other types of communication? > > ----------- > > "There is currently no "IPv6 over LDACS" specification": maybe the > IETF should work on this? At 6lo? > > ----------- > > "This work is conducted by ICAO >    Communication Panel working group WG-I.": Is that related to Fred's > work on AERO > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-templin-intarea-6706bis-39? If so a > link to Fred's spec is welcome > > > ------------- > > "Air Traffic Services (including ATS-B3)": This is the first use of > ATS, maybe the place to indicate the acronym which appears later > without an expansion. See also GBAS, FANS. > > --------------- > > > " AOC is a generic term referring to the business >    communication of airlines. ": this could have been said earlier > since AOC is used throughout the spec, not to mean French Wine ;) > > ---------------- > > "5.2.5.  LDACS Navigation" this whole section seems related to the > GBAS discussion earlier. Is it possible to regroup or at least X ref? > > --------------- > > " Aircraft thus transmit": Plural "Aircrafts"? > > --------------- > > Section 8.2: This is probably where RAW would be discussed a bit more, > positioning what RAW can do and why it's a good complement. > > --------------- > > Sections 9.X: it would be nice to expand the acronyms in the titles so > the unaccustomed reader does not need to look it up. > > ------ > > Section 9.2: It would be nice to discuss scheduling capabilities. Is > there a way to obtain a recurrent access to data channel, e.g. to > control an AS in a drone? > > ------ > > " to the ground IPS network": IPS ? Missing from acronym list, not > expanded on first use. Same goes for STS > > -------- > "(1) the AS, (2) the GS, (3) the GS, and (4) the Network Operator.": > Did you intend GSC? > > -------- > > "identification such as MAC addresses": We are going away from a model > where MAC is used as ID, see MADINAS. Suggestion to remove this text. > > ---------- > > > You all keep safe; > > Pascal > > > > From: RAW On Behalf Of Schooler, Eve M > Sent: mercredi 31 mars 2021 6:15 > To: raw@ietf.org > Cc: Schooler, Eve M ; Rick Taylor > > Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS > > Just a friendly reminder to all.... > > From: Rick Taylor > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:34 AM > To: mailto:raw@ietf.org > Subject: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS > > Hi All, > > As discussed at the IETF-110 meeting, the authors of LDACS consider > the draft to be complete and ready for Last Call. > > To this end, the chairs are starting an 8 week Last Call for this > document, ending 19th April. > > Please take the time to read and review the draft, it is owned by the > WG, and it is our responsibility to ensure that we are happy with it > before it is submitted to the IESG for publication. > > The draft is here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-raw-ldacs/ > > Cheers, > > Rick & Eve, > RAW co-chairs > > -- > RAW mailing list > RAW@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raw -- ****************************************************** PD Dr. rer. nat. Corinna Schmitt Head of Secure IoT Research Institute CODE Universität der Bundeswehr München Werner-Heisenberg-Weg 39 85577 Neubiberg, Germany Email: corinna.schmitt@unibw.de https://www.unibw.de/code https://www.corinna-schmitt.de --------------AC6416C2A95BDB33DA523BE3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear Pascal,

thanks for the review. We will address it next days and upload a new version.

Regards,

Corinna


Am 21.04.21 um 15:25 schrieb Pascal Thubert (pthubert):
Dear Nils, Thomas and Corinna:

Please find my WGLC review on the RAW LDACS document. It is a great read, very informative, and I support its publication.

I believe it is almost ready for the publication request, with the few nits below:

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"VDLM2"please expand on first use. A reference that discusses VHF for aircraft communication could be useful.

-----------

"
                                                LDACS SHALL provide
   a data link for IP network-based aircraft guidance.
"
"
                ATM communication SHALL transition from analogue
   VHF voice and VDLM2 communication to
"
"                                                               LDACS SHALL enable IPv6
   based air- ground communication related to the aviation safety and
   regularity of flight."
Etc...  : Please do not use BCP 14 (remove all uppercased SHALL, MAY, REQUIRED, etc...) in this document
10.3 are verbatim from the IWA2018 then you can keep the uppercase but there should be quotes.
Reason 1) This is not a standard track work, and 2) the mandate expressed by the uppercase is enforced in other specs not this.
Note that if the SHALLs in

Also: A reference to support the claim about IPv6 would be welcome.

-----------
ATC  Air-Traffic Control
...
ATS  Air Traffic Services

Should you use "Air-Traffic" or "Air Traffic"?

-----------

"  communications is " : plural or singular?

-----------

"other users MAY encounter communication problems and MAY be
   supported, if REQUIRED": quite unclear what the "other users" are and what "supported" means here. I expect other types of communication?

-----------

"There is currently no "IPv6 over LDACS" specification": maybe the IETF should work on this? At 6lo?

-----------

"This work is conducted by ICAO
   Communication Panel working group WG-I.": Is that related to Fred's work on AERO https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-templin-intarea-6706bis-39? If so a link to Fred's spec is welcome


-------------

"Air Traffic Services (including ATS-B3)": This is the first use of ATS, maybe the place to indicate the acronym which appears later without an expansion. See also GBAS, FANS.

---------------


" AOC is a generic term referring to the business
   communication of airlines. ": this could have been said earlier since AOC is used throughout the spec, not to mean French Wine ;)

----------------

"5.2.5.  LDACS Navigation" this whole section seems related to the GBAS discussion earlier. Is it possible to regroup or at least X ref?

---------------

" Aircraft thus transmit": Plural "Aircrafts"?

---------------

Section 8.2: This is probably where RAW would be discussed a bit more, positioning what RAW can do and why it's a good complement.

---------------

Sections 9.X: it would be nice to expand the acronyms in the titles so the unaccustomed reader does not need to look it up.

------

Section 9.2: It would be nice to discuss scheduling capabilities. Is there a way to obtain a recurrent access to data channel, e.g. to control an AS in a drone?

------

" to the ground IPS network": IPS ? Missing from acronym list, not expanded on first use. Same goes for STS

--------
"(1) the AS, (2) the GS, (3) the GS, and (4) the Network Operator.": Did you intend GSC?

--------

"identification such as MAC addresses": We are going away from a model where MAC is used as ID, see MADINAS. Suggestion to remove this text.

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You all keep safe;

Pascal



From: RAW <raw-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Schooler, Eve M
Sent: mercredi 31 mars 2021 6:15
To: raw@ietf.org
Cc: Schooler, Eve M <eve.m.schooler@intel.com>; Rick Taylor <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS

Just a friendly reminder to all....

From: Rick Taylor <mailto:rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com>
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:34 AM
To: mailto:raw@ietf.org
Subject: [Raw] WG Last Call for LDACS

Hi All,

As discussed at the IETF-110 meeting, the authors of LDACS consider the draft to be complete and ready for Last Call.

To this end, the chairs are starting an 8 week Last Call for this document, ending 19th April.

Please take the time to read and review the draft, it is owned by the WG, and it is our responsibility to ensure that we are happy with it before it is submitted to the IESG for publication.

The draft is here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-raw-ldacs/

Cheers,

Rick & Eve,
RAW co-chairs

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PD Dr. rer. nat. Corinna Schmitt
Head of Secure IoT

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Werner-Heisenberg-Weg 39
85577 Neubiberg, Germany

Email: corinna.schmitt@unibw.de
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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:56:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Reliable and Available Wireless WG of the IETF. Title : Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) features for RAW Authors : Fabrice Theoleyre Georgios Z. Papadopoulos Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-raw-oam-support-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2021-04-19 Abstract: Some critical applications may use a wireless infrastructure. However, wireless networks exhibit a bandwidth of several orders of magnitude lower than wired networks. Besides, wireless transmissions are lossy by nature; the probability that a packet cannot be decoded correctly by the receiver may be quite high. In these conditions, guaranteeing the network infrastructure works properly is particularly challenging, since we need to address some issues specific to wireless networks. This document lists the requirements of the Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) features recommended to construct a predictable communication infrastructure on top of a collection of wireless segments. This document describes the benefits, problems, and trade-offs for using OAM in wireless networks to achieve Service Level Objectives (SLO). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-raw-oam-support/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-raw-oam-support-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-raw-oam-support-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/