From remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 01 16:59:51 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EX4AZ-0008Ms-Gk; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:59:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EX4AY-0008Mn-3V for remoteui@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:59:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA19107 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from nylon.softarmor.com ([66.135.38.164]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EX4P0-0005Jj-1c for remoteui@ietf.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:14:47 -0500 Received: from [64.101.149.214] (deanwillis-comp.cisco.com [64.101.149.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1M4xim000987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:05:00 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dean Willis Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:59:47 -0600 To: remoteui@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [WIDEX] Pending move of list to widex@ietf.org X-BeenThere: remoteui@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: WIDEX Working Group List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org The IETF list administrators should, sometime in the next few days, create a new list "widex@ietf.org" and migrate all archives and subscribers from the old remoteui list to the new widex list. 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Following the transition, please start posting to the new list and stop posting to the old one. -- Dean _______________________________________________ REMOTEUI mailing list REMOTEUI@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/remoteui From remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Nov 07 13:28:56 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZBjj-0008Bv-Uk; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:28:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZBji-0008Bq-F1 for remoteui@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:28:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA27542 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from homer.w3.org ([128.30.52.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EZBzL-0003px-Tg for remoteui@ietf.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:45:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (homer.w3.org [128.30.52.30]) by homer.w3.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C434F2C5 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:28:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:30:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Raggett X-X-Sender: dsr@holly To: remoteui@ietf.org Message-ID: X-GPG-PUBLIC_KEY: http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/pubkey-20040130.asc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-1355372482-1131388220=:9663" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: efc5d1db3729b4b7031f1bb5f5a30ae3 Cc: Subject: [WIDEX] Slides for W3C feedback on Widex Reqs X-BeenThere: remoteui@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: WIDEX Working Group List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org This message is in MIME format. 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You may want to go ahead and delete remoteui@ietf.org from your address books. -- Dean Willis _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex From remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Nov 18 16:35:31 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EdDtL-0000Pr-Lw; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:35:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EdDtJ-0000PZ-Rh for remoteui@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:35:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12217 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EdEBD-0004e5-Tb for remoteui@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:54:01 -0500 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2005 13:35:19 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,347,1125903600"; d="scan'208"; a="367399723:sNHT20609988" Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jAILZICR002286 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-21d.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.140]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:35:16 -0800 Received: from [64.101.149.214] ([64.101.149.214]) by xmb-sjc-21d.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:35:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: remoteui@ietf.org From: Dean Willis Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:35:24 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 21:35:16.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[F74EBDC0:01C5EC87] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [WIDEX] remoteui list closed -- please use widex X-BeenThere: remoteui@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "FORMER WIDEX Working Group List. See new list widex@ietf.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: remoteui-bounces@lists.ietf.org We appear to have successfully migrated to the new mailing list: widex@ietf.org Please use the new list for all list discussion relevant to the WIDEX working group. Thanks! -- Dean Willis widex chair du-jour _______________________________________________ REMOTEUI mailing list REMOTEUI@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/remoteui From widex-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 20 20:17:14 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ee0J0-00078S-My; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:17:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ee0Iz-00078N-4G for widex@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:17:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA23988 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from eastrmmtao04.cox.net ([68.230.240.35]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ee0bF-0001p8-PA for widex@ietf.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:36:11 -0500 Received: from A31P ([68.100.55.187]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051121011512.FHMM4997.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@A31P>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:15:12 -0500 From: "Scott Hollenbeck" To: "'Dean Willis'" , Subject: RE: [Widex] Announcement of widex mailing list Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:16:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00cd01c5ee39$40f594f0$2667fea9@A31P> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcXshUwDbT5JFj4CTOyanPBAR4Y84gBs82CA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <7EE15699-32B0-4585-B329-353788F7DB08@softarmor.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: widex-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Willis [mailto:dean.willis@softarmor.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:15 PM > To: widex@ietf.org > Subject: [Widex] Announcement of widex mailing list > > > The widex@ietf.org mailing list has been set up, and > supposedly everybody has been migrated to that list. > > The new list archive is at: > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/widex/current/index.html > > This archive supposedly (and appears to) contain the full > history from the remoteui@ietf.org mailing list. > > Please move all discussion to the new list. You may want to > go ahead and delete remoteui@ietf.org from your address books. Dean, could you please make sure that the WG web page is updated to reflect this change? It's still showing the old info: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/widex-charter.html A mail note to the Secretariat should be all that's needed. -Scott- _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex From widex-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 22 17:56:47 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eeh4B-0002q3-CR; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eeh49-0002kP-LB for widex@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA24690 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from nylon.softarmor.com ([66.135.38.164]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EehMr-000291-N2 for widex@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:16:08 -0500 Received: from [64.101.149.214] (deanwillis-comp.cisco.com [64.101.149.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMN1w7A015315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:01:59 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <27E27FE9-48CE-4FC0-9F6B-C4875962DC2C@softarmor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: widex@ietf.org From: Dean Willis Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:56:29 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8f374d0786b25a451ef87d82c076f593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Widex] Draft minutes for WIDEX at IETF 64 X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: widex-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org The draft minutes for WIDEX are posted in HTML at: http://www.softarmor.com/widex/meets/ietf64/notes/minutes-widex- ietf64.html and http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/05nov/minutes/widex.html Please send me any change requirements ASAP. Thanks. Text form follows: Draft Minutes, WIDEX meeting at IETF 64 Edited by Dean WIllis from notes by Jerry Shih Meeting held Tuesday, November 8, 0900-1130. Meeting called to order by chair Dean Willis. IETF IPR policy noted. Jerry Shih agreed to act as secretary. Robert Sparks agreed to act as Jabber scribe. Noted that Dave Raggett would be listening to the session's MP3 stream and sending commentary via Jabber. Agenda agreed as proposed: 0900 Chairs, Agenda Bash 0905 Chairs, Charter 0930 Vlad Stirbu, Requirements, draft-stirbu-widex-requirements-00 1030 Dave Raggett, Ongoing work in W3C MMI but noted that Vlad Stribu will lead the discussion of W3C work on behalf of Dave using slides submitted by Dave. Topic: Charter Discussion led by chair Dean Willis Slides presented (and included in proceedings). Charter and milestones reviewed with little discussion or commentary. Noted that working group mailing list would be moved from remoteui@ietf.org to widex@ietf.org TODO: Chairs to make sure the charter web page is updated to show the new working group mailing list. Topic: WIDEX Requirements Discussion led by Vlad Stirbu Slides presented (and included in proceedings). Supporting document: draft-stirbu-widex-requirements-00.txt Presentation reported that the user interface is assumed to be modeled in XML DOM and may vary in complexity across a wide range. It also established a a requirement for dealing with three classes of alterations to that DOM: updates, mutations, and events. TODO: Author to add scenario on IPV4-IPV6 interworking. TODO: Author to clarify security requirements to indicate needs for protection of both data privacy and integrity. Noted that the XML-patchBOF is looking at a similar thing (synchronizing XML) and that this raises a question as to whether we should be considering a general solution. Discussion of the charter indicates that neotehr requires nor forbids addressing the problem in this working group, so the question is deferred, It was suggested by Eric that we avoid targeting a specific application that might undermine the powerful capability of the IETF to define general-purpose transport protocols. Noted that there is some relationship between this work and OMA's SyncML, but that SyncML is intended for static documents and does not deal with events. Proposed that the existing document draft-stirbu-widex- requirements-00.txt be adopted as baseline text for the working group's requirements deliverable. This proposal was accepted by unamimous consent. TODO: Editor to revise draft-stirbu-widex-requirements-00.txt and resubmit as draft-ietf-widex-requirements-00 Topic: W3C work on MultiModal MMS Architecture Discussion led by Vlad Stirbu using slides by Dave Raggett Slides presented. Discussion followed: Question: Does the existing requirements address Messaging order and reliability? TODO: Editor to add these requirements to requirements draft Noted on Binding messages: W3C comments indicate we may need to indicate which DOM tree or XML document is the target of each WIDEX event. Do we need to put this into each event, or do we have a binding between a WIDEX session and a single document such that the session context conveys this information? TODO: Editor to clarify whether we have a requirement to relate a WIDEX session to a single document, or should defer this discussion for implementation phases. Noted that each application appears to be responsible for actual synchronization. Questions: Do we have a requirement to provide even ordering? If so, does this requirement extend beyond single WIDEX session or document? How does this apply to multiple renderers? TODO: Editor to address in requirements document. Question: Do we need temporal coordination for multimodal interactions? Is time-based coordination adequate for the multi- renderer scenarios, given that it implies synchronized clocks? TODO: Editor to address in requirements document. Topic: Working Group Open Discussion The chair polled the room to see who would be interested in more active roles such as authorship, review and comments. No volunteers were noted for document authoring or editing, but several people indicated a willingness to review documents. Noted that we may need to think about network latency, which could provide a problem in sync. Noted that Not all the events need to be sent to server; some could be handled locally. Meeting adjourned by chair at 11:10 _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex