From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sun Jan 8 16:43:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED087129672 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:43:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ss3mTUmoB72 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 518A8129602 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07107B814F7; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2A0B814F7 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:43:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r4aNmuP2O3Zq for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from implementers.org (unknown [92.243.22.217]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A8D5B814F5 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2601:648:8300:77bf:64ae:65fc:9544:526a] (unknown [IPv6:2601:648:8300:77bf:64ae:65fc:9544:526a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Marc Petit-Huguenin", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BDF2AE7A0 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 01:43:11 +0100 (CET) To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org From: Marc Petit-Huguenin Message-ID: <16e452bf-7c97-5e6b-2206-7f59ebd3ee11@acm.org> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:42:53 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [rfc-i] Rendering of xml2rfc v3 fragments X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2413061157162033794==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --===============2413061157162033794== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="plh9Ijvnae9dOvKDrpHq6jvRq7Rmr2fpl" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --plh9Ijvnae9dOvKDrpHq6jvRq7Rmr2fpl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Vh1c4WjLO3q69Afh8TgBkaoj4N4tVdiKd"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marc Petit-Huguenin To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Message-ID: <16e452bf-7c97-5e6b-2206-7f59ebd3ee11@acm.org> Subject: Rendering of xml2rfc v3 fragments --Vh1c4WjLO3q69Afh8TgBkaoj4N4tVdiKd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any plan for the various renderers for the xml2rfc v3 (text, htm= l, pdf) to be able to generate output for xml fragments, as opposed to a = whole document? I see some use cases for that, for example to insert normative text into = a source program. 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Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.40.11 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6E779B0F-4131-498D-AA3B-9B475D595855@gmail.com> References: <480c6dfe-b590-abfa-0103-ac90641cd0f9@gmx.de> <4b57aedb-b8c1-3d6e-2d25-799acbac1b79@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <2a505003-eb91-c06e-dfc9-003db41e0e1c@gmx.de> <6E779B0F-4131-498D-AA3B-9B475D595855@gmail.com> From: Dan Romascanu Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:00:03 -0800 Message-ID: To: Bob Hinden Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Hebrew contact information example in RFC 7997 X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Julian Reschke , Roni Even , "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" , RSE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3899516331210900713==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" --===============3899516331210900713== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a2bece8a8b305468b41e9 --001a113a2bece8a8b305468b41e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The HTML version is correct. The PDF is broken. Regards, Dan On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Julian, > > > On Jan 20, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Julian Reschke > wrote: > > > > On 2017-01-20 09:33, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: > >> On 2017/01/20 16:39, Julian Reschke wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> the PDF version of RFC 7997 > >>> () has this example (when > >>> copied character-wise into mail): > >>> > >>>> Additional contact information: > >>>> =D7=A8=D7=A0=D7=95 =D7=99 =D7=90 =D7=9F =D7=91 > >>>> =D7=95 =D7=95 =D7=90 =D7=95 =D7=95=D7=99 > >>>> 1 =D7=93 =D7=95 =D7=93 =D7=94 =D7=9C=D7=9E =D7=9A 4 > >>>> 6 4 9 5 =D7=AA =D7=9C =D7=90 =D7=91=D7=99=D7=91 3 > >>>> =D7=99 =D7=A9=D7=A8 > >>> > >>> The HTML version of the last published draft > >>> ( 02.html#n-address-information>) > >>> > >>> has: > >>> > >>>> Alternate contact information: > >>>> =D7=A8=D7=95=D7=A0=D7=99 =D7=90=D7=91=D7=9F > >>>> =D7=95=D7=95=D7=90=D7=95=D7=95=D7=99 > >>>> =D7=93=D7=95=D7=93 =D7=94=D7=9E=D7=9C=D7=9A 14 > >>>> =D7=AA=D7=9C =D7=90=D7=91=D7=99=D7=91 64953 > >>>> =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=A8=D7=90=D7=9C > >>> > >>> Is this a glitch in the PDF or an intentional change? > >> > >> I see the same characters in both documents, in the same visual order. > >> In your fragments above, it looks (in my mailer) like some character > >> pairs were inverted. > >> > >> In my viewer (Acrobat Reader on Windows 8.1) at least, the alignment i= n > >> the PDF is bad. > >> > >> What exactly are you worried about? > > > > Looking at it once again, I agree. > > > > So, to summarize: > > > > - use of RTL scripts is an additional challenge :-) > > > > - the alignment in the PDF is broken (not only because of the use of a > non-monospace hebrew font) > > > > My Hebrew is very rudimentary, but least in my mail program, the html has > the country name correct > > =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=A8=D7=90=D7=9C > > but the pdf does not: > > =D7=99 =D7=A9=D7=A8 > > The pdf on the rfc-editor and tools site, has all of the characters, but > the formatting is poor. > > Bob > > p.s. I forwarded this to someone I know is a Hebrew speaker, hopefully he > will respond. > > > > > > Best regards, Julian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rfc-interest mailing list > > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > --001a113a2bece8a8b305468b41e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The HTML version is correct. The PDF is broken. =

Regards,

Dan


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Bob Hi= nden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
Julian,

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> On 2017-01-20 09:33, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote:
>> On 2017/01/20 16:39, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> the PDF version of RFC 7997
>>> (<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7= 997.pdf>) has this example (when
>>> copied character-wise into mail):
>>>
>>>> Additional contact information:
>>>> =D7=A8=D7=A0=D7=95 =D7=99 =D7=90 =D7=9F =D7=91
>>>> =D7=95 =D7=95 =D7=90 =D7=95 =D7=95=D7=99
>>>> 1 =D7=93 =D7=95 =D7=93 =D7=94 =D7=9C=D7=9E =D7=9A 4
>>>> 6 4 9 5 =D7=AA =D7=9C =D7=90 =D7=91=D7=99=D7=91 3
>>>> =D7=99 =D7=A9=D7=A8
>>>
>>> The HTML version of the last published draft
>>> (<https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-iab-rfc-nonascii-02.h= tml#n-address-information>)
>>>
>>> has:
>>>
>>>> Alternate contact information:
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=D7=A8=D7=95=D7=A0=D7=99 =D7=90=D7=91=D7=9F >>>>=C2=A0 =D7=95=D7=95=D7=90=D7=95=D7=95=D7=99
>>>>=C2=A0 =D7=93=D7=95=D7=93 =D7=94=D7=9E=D7=9C=D7=9A 14
>>>>=C2=A0 =D7=AA=D7=9C =D7=90=D7=91=D7=99=D7=91 64953
>>>>=C2=A0 =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=A8=D7=90=D7=9C
>>>
>>> Is this a glitch in the PDF or an intentional change?
>>
>> I see the same characters in both documents, in the same visual or= der.
>> In your fragments above, it looks (in my mailer) like some charact= er
>> pairs were inverted.
>>
>> In my viewer (Acrobat Reader on Windows 8.1) at least, the alignme= nt in
>> the PDF is bad.
>>
>> What exactly are you worried about?
>
> Looking at it once again, I agree.
>
> So, to summarize:
>
> - use of RTL scripts is an additional challenge :-)
>
> - the alignment in the PDF is broken (not only because of the use of a= non-monospace hebrew font)
>

My Hebrew is very rudimentary, but least in my mail program, th= e html has the country name correct

=D7=99=D7=A9=D7=A8=D7=90=D7=9C

but the pdf does not:

=D7=99 =D7=A9=D7=A8

The pdf on the rfc-editor and tools site, has all of the characters, but th= e formatting is poor.

Bob

p.s. I forwarded this to someone I know is a Hebrew speaker, hopefully he w= ill respond.




> Best regards, Julian
>
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5816946568139682487==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --===============5816946568139682487== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AL57poVqk5eCfM1tqCQa3OiVHihBH5mfS" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --AL57poVqk5eCfM1tqCQa3OiVHihBH5mfS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="r7G82wFhpVVnXnAMtFMLabnWGl4nVujm6"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marc Petit-Huguenin To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Message-ID: <77e1e4b4-ca41-3322-7c0f-dfde915dfee1@acm.org> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Rendering of xml2rfc v3 fragments References: <16e452bf-7c97-5e6b-2206-7f59ebd3ee11@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <16e452bf-7c97-5e6b-2206-7f59ebd3ee11@acm.org> --r7G82wFhpVVnXnAMtFMLabnWGl4nVujm6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/08/2017 04:42 PM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: > Is there any plan for the various renderers for the xml2rfc v3 (text, h= tml, pdf) to be able to generate output for xml fragments, as opposed to = a whole document? >=20 > I see some use cases for that, for example to insert normative text int= o a source program. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 Did not receive any answer on that, but I have another question about the= xml2rfc v3 program: =20 Will there a way to smoothly integrate a new renderer, like a plugin? I = am trying to add a new writer in xml2rfc v2, and that means modifications= in the code that require to ship the whole code, instead of just the cod= e for the new output format. Having the possibility of plugins with xml2= rfc v3 would make that easier. 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Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:06:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UzThYdjn9clw for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B25E6B80A23 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14664 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2017 04:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2017 04:06:29 -0000 Date: 27 Jan 2017 04:06:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20170127040607.77613.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org In-Reply-To: <97787578-d1ef-12d2-9faf-30da51e3b5c2@rfc-editor.org> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Fwd: Call for Comment: (Digital Preservation Considerations for the RFC Series) X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: iab@iab.org, architecture-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" >Abstract > > The RFC Editor is both the publisher and the archivist for the RFC > Series. This document applies specifically to the archivist role of > the RFC Editor. It provides guidance on when and how to preserve > RFCs, and the tools required to view or re-create RFCs as necessary. > This document also highlights where gaps are in the current process, > and where compromises are suggested to balance cost with ideal best > practice. I'm generally in agreement with the advice in this draft, except for the parts about paper. We know that good quality paper with black ink is stable for centuries, because we have books from the 1700s and earlier in libraries that we can still read. I also know a surprising number of people doing retrocomputing who retype source code from old printouts from the 1960s. After 50 years, the electronic media are missing or unreadable, but the printouts are still OK. So I would suggest printing out the XML and perhaps one of the formatted versions (so they can see what the XML is supposed to say) of RFCs on good paper and filing them away. I think we can assume that OCR in the future will be at least as good as it is now, so as long as the printouts use a reasonable typeface, it'll be possible to scan them in if need be. It doesn't have to be in real time; a printathon once or twice a year should be plenty. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5880365994616033817==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" --===============5880365994616033817== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AEA877B4-9F10-4308-B1A6-1E4E34DEBE32" --Apple-Mail=_AEA877B4-9F10-4308-B1A6-1E4E34DEBE32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 =D7=A8. =D7=90=D7=91=D7=9F > On 27 Jan 2017, at 20:00, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 2017-01-27 18:42, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: >>=20 >>> On Jan 27, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >>>=20 >>> That said, here's another question: In >>>=20 >>> =D7=A0=D7=95=D7=99 =D7=90=D7=9F=D7=91 >>>=20 >>> is this really "initials. surname"??? Where's the dot then? >>=20 >> Those are not initials, rather what you have there is a mangled >> version of the full name. In particular some of the letters are >> transposed and one dropped in a cut/paste error. It should be: >>=20 >> =D7=A8=D7=95=D7=A0=D7=99 =D7=90=D7=91=D7=9F >>=20 >> Which reads "Roni Even" with "Even" pronounced like "ever", with >> an "n" at the end instead of an "r". >=20 > Probably due copy & paste not doing the right thing. Please see = >. >=20 > Anyway, if >=20 > R. Even >=20 > is the ASCII variant, what would the equivalent sequence of Hebrew = characters? >=20 > Best regards, Julian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest = --Apple-Mail=_AEA877B4-9F10-4308-B1A6-1E4E34DEBE32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 =D7=A8. =D7=90=D7=91=D7=9F

On = 27 Jan 2017, at 20:00, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 2017-01-27 18:42, Viktor Dukhovni = wrote:

On Jan 27, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Julian Reschke = <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

That said, here's another question: In

 =D7=A0=D7=95=D7=99 =D7=90=D7=9F=D7=91

is this really "initials. surname"??? Where's the dot = then?

Those are not initials, = rather what you have there is a mangled
version of the = full name.  In particular some of the letters are
transposed and one dropped in a cut/paste error.  It = should be:

        =D7=A8=D7=95=D7= =A0=D7=99 =D7=90=D7=91=D7=9F

Which reads = "Roni Even" with "Even" pronounced like "ever", with
an = "n" at the end instead of an "r".

Probably due copy = & paste not doing the right thing. Please see <https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc7997.html#rfc.section.3.2<= /a>>.

Anyway, if

 R. Even

is the ASCII variant, what would the equivalent = sequence of Hebrew characters?

Best regards, Julian

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017/01/28 02:29, Julian Reschke wrote: > > > Information technology. Cryptographic data security. > Signature and verification processes of [electronic] digital > signature. > > > Gosudarstvennyi Standard of Russian Federation, > Правительственная > комиссия > России по > стандартам > (Government Committee of Russia for Standards) > > (In Russian) > Is that heap of numeric character references just an accident, or by design? In both cases, please let's fix that. It would be really strange if numeric character references were needed in the canonical XML source. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170127040607.77613.qmail@ary.lan> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] [IAB] Fwd: Call for Comment: (Digital Preservation Considerations for the RFC Series) X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: iab@iab.org, architecture-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 1/26/17 8:06 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Abstract >> >> The RFC Editor is both the publisher and the archivist for the RFC >> Series. This document applies specifically to the archivist role of >> the RFC Editor. It provides guidance on when and how to preserve >> RFCs, and the tools required to view or re-create RFCs as necessary. >> This document also highlights where gaps are in the current process, >> and where compromises are suggested to balance cost with ideal best >> practice. > I'm generally in agreement with the advice in this draft, except for > the parts about paper. > > We know that good quality paper with black ink is stable for > centuries, because we have books from the 1700s and earlier in > libraries that we can still read. I also know a surprising number of > people doing retrocomputing who retype source code from old printouts > from the 1960s. After 50 years, the electronic media are missing or > unreadable, but the printouts are still OK. > > So I would suggest printing out the XML and perhaps one of the > formatted versions (so they can see what the XML is supposed to say) > of RFCs on good paper and filing them away. I think we can assume > that OCR in the future will be at least as good as it is now, so as > long as the printouts use a reasonable typeface, it'll be possible to > scan them in if need be. It doesn't have to be in real time; a > printathon once or twice a year should be plenty. > Thank you for the feedback, John. Paper can indeed be a very stable material for archival purposes. For digital-born documents, I think it's insufficient for the purpose of archiving all the information intended to be captured with a digital document and leaving it readable for the future. Yes, information can be printed out that describes the metadata for the document. The XML is human readable, in that it is not encrypted or compiled in any way that a standard text reader and printer couldn't handle. However, all that readable-but-not-user-friendly paper takes up space and requires its own expertise to store and maintain in a properly archival fashion. The RFC Editor does not have that experience, nor the proper space, to store an ever growing body of work. We could of course work on that, buying the correct paper and ink, reprinting all the RFCs, and finding suitable climate (both humidity and temperature, with appropriate fire suppression) controlled storage to house the material. But that seems like a waste of resources when there are actual archivists who can and will handle our material properly, in its digital form. That said, of the archivists I've approached about the Series, the only paper of interest is the original set that has unique, hand-written annotations in the margins. All the newer documents are only interesting in their digital form. The content is still interesting, but it takes up much less physical space, and they have the processes in house for handling the issues of bit rot. They also expect to support the readability of the material (since we are using common publication formats) far into the future. Thanks, Heather _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest