From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Wed May 3 01:03:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FC2129B62 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 01:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.802 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.802 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTrdQEpKiabq for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 01:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A7C912E05C for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 01:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEE8B80CB4; Wed, 3 May 2017 01:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053D0B80CB4; Wed, 3 May 2017 01:00:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gdsttK0Ng_Cj; Wed, 3 May 2017 01:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40650B80CB2; Wed, 3 May 2017 01:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.34] ([5.10.171.186]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LkP8Z-1dcx2E0z2R-00cMvx; Wed, 03 May 2017 10:00:29 +0200 To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <148916689952.6827.6792653811413720687.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <383fa41c-e289-8045-7c1f-fcdcd8cc8445@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <4665dcee-9b70-d9ec-c83b-b605eda418ce@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:00:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <383fa41c-e289-8045-7c1f-fcdcd8cc8445@rfc-editor.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:GIg4e3B2y+Dj0Gj354oHV5qfuiVttthEo35fKLGbbWF63TS8aI3 uIi8I7ZMWgeEFjH1UsvSxl0TyqgvDwoGzia6mee+ndkKOCgXnvEhb8NiEndSX8i2b0v5Tb8 drjMCIqExhVkeUGs58P6gohdVvyREBysW1xX4R+2yrWCR8k1Yp5nB4Ec7RJu1vZd+cRIpmz BT6eT4r2NBTivUCCjtlEQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ss/cn+xFefY=:LF/RMqncHMFZaTdhsXjrr3 Yci+QDdulHNItaCIobRKS1NSATWZMrUKyB2WQFi3baW/12ugcgmcX300hzWiAJ/MCeIwFXAb1 21TdzfU8fcHmNoWYPpc64NwYJJEQyBfAshgsymqbMMxvnroq/6qPBy6gBDSfc5zeeX6VjOK4N IV39isIzrPQE1cgnB4j/s/XStldtW1q4O1/IVa2ZxEHIkgdbQy3vrNX2QIu5q8HnY73sd3Omb +C+alMJEZZv2PQk4A5RMkesh9i+Rp7XCiPBes2DLyl6TA7NVHgCQsCRnPYFKEH1fr9hMdoBIj 6tDeSGti9hU7+qYSVlvqj9E5iOBC0EhsBvTJ+dtbp9y7LPAv9HGvtTG0/q3mbwFTdIbcigU4J remQUk29I2NtFK4QhQREoExltR4LWwnTqbP+xyHn9InytWuGReJvMZOokvLOVnu1rROV6whKA z3GTbY4zgbrI56QZxeB/D1uKxc1B464L/4yhdRUKAH9TFySZGzcROZPcccHgNXer+muho47kH RRxwhHSJ1fZG9ZedNmGfYFox2oGYwWqvng+jymR6PzX0GzBJWmu9HReZVIAyLl511YbZb0BlQ rOk8z6R1crTRc6yQpO0cDXmw7+VnXJwobv3Xh0EOvfs/ozqm+8CxmIEisywNuNdLF2eOXiV42 p7bnH0tWuii9tleBsB2WoWhVrDxMcUw0YPnzLe+UFDl0n5/VVicnTUBwbwhChdk1MZ8Ua5aJR qDfM0c22Voeb0Y/T5xO3MbinVKz7bZUarQrd4MxPbEWxfV2BrkSUMbVh77sDOaxUOlhOwj+WH 2zzVQhX Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-flanagan-7322bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-03-10 21:27, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > FYI, I am kicking off the refresh of the RFC Style Guide. Significant > changes include: > ... Out of curiosity: what's the plan here? The draft is two months old, feedback was sent, then... silence? Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Wed May 3 06:29:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D212126CC7 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oCEHr3yW4lDk for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AC4D12941C for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AD8B8130E; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1D9B8130E for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wLfjTzi2NDpV for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52BFDB8130D for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C8A1C6B8C; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hTl0bQ0z_kl2; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (c-50-159-75-65.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [50.159.75.65]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C9B761C6B8E; Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Julian Reschke , rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <148916689952.6827.6792653811413720687.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <383fa41c-e289-8045-7c1f-fcdcd8cc8445@rfc-editor.org> <4665dcee-9b70-d9ec-c83b-b605eda418ce@gmx.de> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: <8c936405-3285-0baf-39e0-ef5f06e4f30c@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 06:25:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4665dcee-9b70-d9ec-c83b-b605eda418ce@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-flanagan-7322bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 5/3/17 1:00 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2017-03-10 21:27, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >> FYI, I am kicking off the refresh of the RFC Style Guide. Significant >> changes include: >> ... > > Out of curiosity: what's the plan here? The draft is two months old, > feedback was sent, then... silence? > > The plan is to have a -01 out this month. I was discussing some of the areas of potential change (capitalization of working group, referencing subseries) with the RPC yesterday, and will be discussing normative references for open source code with the IESG at their retreat in mid-May. -Heather _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Thu May 4 16:34:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C788E12773A for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:34:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pLNdAXSmT8-l for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 209B1126D46 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9925BB819EA; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A6DB819E9 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zrcMZNs1r5xp for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63053B819E8 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508451C68C0 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hltEHVpKy1U4 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MBP.jetpack (unknown [IPv6:2600:100f:b024:49d7:6829:dff0:b9b2:fe6c]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB5501C0015 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:47 -0700 (PDT) To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <148916689952.6827.6792653811413720687.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <383fa41c-e289-8045-7c1f-fcdcd8cc8445@rfc-editor.org> <291ffdb4-36b0-691b-498e-9eaaa2f9a239@gmx.de> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: <47e064ca-495e-9665-dfb2-8a6cc07a6b55@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 16:33:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <291ffdb4-36b0-691b-498e-9eaaa2f9a239@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Errata Reference Format X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 3/11/17 5:55 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > : > >> 4.8.6.5. Referencing Errata >> >> The following format is required when a reference to an erratum >> report is necessary: >> >> [ErrNumber] RFC Errata, Erratum ID number, RFC number, . >> >> [Err1912] RFC Errata, Erratum ID 1912, RFC 2978, xxx. > > In V3, we'd format that as: > >> >> >> Errata ID 1912 >> RFC Errata >> >> >> > > Observations: > > 1) That makes it look like this references actually RFC 2978, so the > seriesInfo element is very misleading. > > 2) No date is specified. > > Proposal: > > target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=1912"> > > RFC 2978 Erratum 1912 > RFC Errata > > > > > > Giving: > > [Err1912] RFC Errata, RFC 2978 Erratum 1912, RFC Errata 1912, October > 2009, > > a) This make seriesInfo actually meaningful. > > b) The URI of course should be aligned with what the future format is; > for instance . > > c) > > allows us to have an unquoted title, but I'd like to question whether we > *really* need a special case here. > > Best regards, Julian > Hello all, The effort to make better, stable errata URLs is done. The format of the URL is: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid#### (e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4920) Note that for the concatenated records (the "Full Records" in a search on the RFC Editor website) those remain URL search strings. I will be adjusting the Style Guide, and the RPC will manage the references as needed for documents in our queue. Please let me know if you have any questions! Heather _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Thu May 4 23:30:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1361F1273B1 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 23:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n6XfRxZDGI4Q for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 23:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3D77127097 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 23:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE8EB8177E; Thu, 4 May 2017 23:29:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED950B8177E; Thu, 4 May 2017 23:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y-Clie7HBbJ4; Thu, 4 May 2017 23:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 354E8B8177D; Thu, 4 May 2017 23:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.114.133]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LgqEs-1dsWwc2VHi-00oF1D; Fri, 05 May 2017 08:29:56 +0200 To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <148916689952.6827.6792653811413720687.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <383fa41c-e289-8045-7c1f-fcdcd8cc8445@rfc-editor.org> <291ffdb4-36b0-691b-498e-9eaaa2f9a239@gmx.de> <47e064ca-495e-9665-dfb2-8a6cc07a6b55@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 08:29:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47e064ca-495e-9665-dfb2-8a6cc07a6b55@rfc-editor.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Y0pHEYAj6ZlIHy2gM7MK3jac08RK5PXMcoyK3+kyaak5Y0rGU6v zs0pd/dGeVWyX4Lx6Cr5SmULBU5CnunOt6fMooPO6TxR5y2AtDgHelRSUUlwsPOPAlm5S1Q Tq7T7LZXbjvqcci8OwhQWYZGt6pcDdt9m6ZMhReGQoz8uimpgsx/6YygvfNBR8oDIRdUcIt dzCC4CF4hvjSvPBZ/Hrxg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:cTydKh5cKYc=:+I1trvrASNptVdRqyEx/VE 7uKH6V0eK6wu1UxiRw9u3uWNjrY0uXYB5+xXg0lhKPtU3FrOqvxO3tPnU1uj/G0SAFIIJnYQw u6nXsEKy5xwPq7/Vn7+LsrLIHRcJqUj8km8ATu8VlRx0haR+g6IvhGR+7lwfatP6hYeZOhN5c blzh3yzxmuhYbH4z4vN5vR131I0vCSwXZVXKk8CeXOUddp/0b3ILNIY6GsmPmKPA8tBE9AeJl skJfqKc9b7H3NcFGM0dkTs9qDn8LK2nyoX2em2aR27NcaVB1H8JS4TgIVrv2KYjVs4LKlGdBj At8KJzsGK/fsFXlhow6dC3Vjr9NMbHd6BoJlpVjF0bX2P+o8GNkAn4aKQKlztKqdJhyB1XJcy YBPeSXeDwedUkMNhrKiGkHdH5tQt+PYDPVzZ73bC7AxA8zKIlWK/4asxecurXCmKJdFpOCZf6 Ub+9csxW4RImLSfZ5B7f4WLt2PJDWxRRrJ6kX0kdnzzOzNVl6b3gbndCDFyAwkjJOkxRb1OB9 KfggWt+u/SiMjLnZnrv+y6YWSAyu4inNNEQyqdhIOFr3LyNev5XTO4vwlDQAjXRVFi3eFPHcl Wk+PePN70LlXk1pUyhZQ6s5Rb4SOm+0khbXmYO/epDtgT4Mx/KZw+wsUxuZWyNKk1LNFNlnpj Ka5hXDT1c5VfXSWcdjX+mo0bylbktNC1M+4w/qoo3pEuMDUzORxdzPwmujlvCgABWmIRRD3jn IYb8+7hPkGo3oXCWOSAY/lZBXV9uylJtwaRsYhYKnAWwLjXu1NEJWuqD7XAkwrKP+blFuLmSJ v18k/qf Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Errata Reference Format X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-05-05 01:33, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > ... > Hello all, > > The effort to make better, stable errata URLs is done. The format of the > URL is: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid#### > > (e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4920) Awesome. > Note that for the concatenated records (the "Full Records" in a search > on the RFC Editor website) those remain URL search strings. I assume you mean "all errata for RFC x"? I think it would be good to also have a nicer URI for these, but it's not as important than the actual erratum ID... > ... Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Fri May 5 04:38:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114DA1288B8 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dfb81XG4m97h for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FFBC1200C5 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FC3B80D0F; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF1DB80D0F for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSOHxVKTcTh3 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F75B80D0E for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EB21C68BC; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VPPUe96suRht; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (c-50-159-75-65.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [50.159.75.65]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AE1B1C67C0; Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:41 -0700 (PDT) To: Julian Reschke , rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <148916689952.6827.6792653811413720687.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <383fa41c-e289-8045-7c1f-fcdcd8cc8445@rfc-editor.org> <291ffdb4-36b0-691b-498e-9eaaa2f9a239@gmx.de> <47e064ca-495e-9665-dfb2-8a6cc07a6b55@rfc-editor.org> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 04:38:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Errata Reference Format X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 5/4/17 11:29 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2017-05-05 01:33, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >> ... >> Hello all, >> >> The effort to make better, stable errata URLs is done. The format of the >> URL is: >> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid#### >> >> (e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4920) > > Awesome. > >> Note that for the concatenated records (the "Full Records" in a search >> on the RFC Editor website) those remain URL search strings. > > I assume you mean "all errata for RFC x"? I think it would be good to > also have a nicer URI for these, but it's not as important than the > actual erratum ID... Yes, when you search for all errata for an RFC _and_ click on the "Full Records" option instead of the "Summary Table" option. -Heather _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Wed May 10 13:35:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A70128D3E for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id avppxJfR4hRx for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D697A128799 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93016B81CCE; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F355B81CCE for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:34:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Authentication-Results: rfcpa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15lqO6_nRO2I for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x231.google.com (mail-pf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::231]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0327B81BAD for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id m17so3099464pfg.3 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:reply-to:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bR9hMLud41JrB2I2En5v1bc4sVq6DwOZg+lvS1Czd7o=; b=PkJObNQcaqv7ysQIvV+FhnVzYY/f16idSq7zOeNsD8kPuObzJew+gs9PXX3FZAXUs0 9WyFFzWa1/DBC1hT6ciWDwU2Y103s+0IpawplDIofOq2dlY/UffR7lr7nX/u1Qsx50qr eGOO0HIywj2XwqsyMghBkt9RIqHJg5oj4ufwRRU4HM0tICVJ9Jafl98vrpMGYlP4TcEP xc141LIrPVg5COwX0eHmefcZUl6Hn2DA4TLE/hcMkYBxQRLoUs1rdTTd10/Q7GPVRiKP Z3UXdA/6cSlX/vz1GwN8glM+T6ej3Az4hmB81nqAlW0oYXRysFwDHQrnMfcmGzCJVaSN w2Vg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:reply-to:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bR9hMLud41JrB2I2En5v1bc4sVq6DwOZg+lvS1Czd7o=; b=FfxL+qwliGH2Ia4WT8sGTz/2qjyrQln2YjY3JDJCMqvW0c4vvjuBmdtvUL4Vvavqb7 OcJActgcokF+pY59NKyiiwPafdKjsHAOfgXxWOnK00riCAvK/oPgC/AfDRoRzYJAq2I6 j1zBvsTNQVFGsRtPkarOdMbx1676Bxe9upZMYSPxDd9SyNpGe2jI/egqw//yoOusG+Of 6AKmTpTLJoyn35wUsOvl0AWrYHkOMA4ausZdnXd/J4bt+c1XbDvNgOrp3xAJK/Om2YE3 BkUxxvoLocWGpm6bIuB/Y9GuY7T3N8BS4YJ6Qc92ormAmtfEdqAw470zBGpoZ/1zzg/U J8xw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcASHbiD80EVBzA7S82utQMqTjn9LuvDiXHTTEb7EkcMjJEnnBon gYhiZpyJ1VW2Qw== X-Received: by 10.98.59.148 with SMTP id w20mr8175122pfj.137.1494448497675; Wed, 10 May 2017 13:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.21] (173.230.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.230.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o5sm13394pga.64.2017.05.10.13.34.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 May 2017 13:34:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RFC Interest References: <149443478746.16649.9376185220029615645.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <9c2b7711-1afb-149b-3686-510900ccde8d@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 08:35:02 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149443478746.16649.9376185220029615645.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Search for Independent Submissions Editor (ISE) Candidates X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: ise-search18@iab.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" I'll take the liberty of forwarding this here, since it was sent to an IETF list but of course the scope is much wider than the IETF. Regards Brian Carpenter On 11/05/2017 04:46, IAB Executive Administrative Manager wrote: > The IAB is responsible for overseeing the volunteer Independent > Submissions Editor (ISE) position. The current appointee is Nevil > Brownlee, whose term expires in February 2018. Nevil is not seeking > another appointment. > > The requirements and responsibility for the role are documented in > . > > The IAB is identifying potential candidates for this role, with the > intent to gather community feedback and make an appointment later this > year. Suggestions for candidates are welcome at ise-search18@iab.org. > > For the IAB, > Robert Sparks > > _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sun May 14 01:52:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9AE129479 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 01:52:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6A3ibIsQizZd for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 01:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EFF11293D8 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 01:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEDEB80D25; Sun, 14 May 2017 01:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40105B80D25 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 01:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id blcpi-2kEoRR for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 01:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA3E7B80D24 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 01:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.100.51]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MbfnB-1dSsEL3o2P-00IygI; Sun, 14 May 2017 10:51:17 +0200 To: "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <9f43a913-b27c-7f3e-3bda-c879c18a86c5@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 10:51:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:c1DwXhqtJ/D+kFY3HJ9WDmWo685GyyAoXNJPMC3Jtn8zHH5ADLu fQA0FtFwkjwJLGvEzB5yXYzNE9TIDrwz1P3SjmTRDEIZJOqH+3m48GylMdEAKxE3h+wnYP8 rg+8s2FJ5sTxpjL12MfysVQW1x7z4VyuSQshvDykPL86vVQTAITqoJSoZwOnVHJYUk81zYO cHG7LWKghhlwizbMc9/+g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:F0sHdlgCXW4=:fq0r/74q5l0FhS3knf8HYH kZc+aL2eUWaA5PItmSo1uaxYJa8gsvVY8Ww5EWkuMrbLTNPWvnkQNszvxeOiEAvxi0QvYMOfD vTURLFX20+I45VHNEKxMleD1aVxwmQeGhdy1nrelPQFamf0azGTb9iElISHcuVng2nZo8emJj iHUDq2mE9jFbHg/xSSJKuJa70xryo6cY75MBQl354qxQa7pivBUMz0A3/z0iFlmJ8tlvrjTjW gUgxo1owhc7zUawKvHPx95TbOb1jWHthXPjsEdvrujN6Ov/KMB8NayX+ijrimmDDPHxy2MCl6 +hAh4Gl7O9eMiL2aYkfKlJ1tu9TPwJplpDT4681ayffl6DAw9fPsVQwCxl0tGwpTZ7vcIm3Fz O+PKo4+Nfqqvp2+vuaFvU/ZOcA6+lphG0ZI/4PMM1dFizr7ky94ueTbljvoPQnPyobV1BwMx7 RdnDE550/qdpt8b547HL5nXvVqLmOzG0Zq0l/EyAh+MLkcNIZQKEJK+Skj/Kav9loFe8h2WNv 5hu/ECfUyCzspj+rM1yv5IL0O3u1vZpsiJYrALicXqw5DLrKi3rmHdoEloh1mUeArOnjNp9Kx MQmImxhUz2gR4LsUR3B1WfAb1WeC11fHpbKmWA6XowwlmbXHnlS/pHdVI7/kcZmIVisyOYJ1d LoCY3mIcGVGUITMVIdIN85eaXohKxNdpVHcjBCh9kuDNF9nGOj4LPmbdYfDy/+f4a4SYnIArS gk19oTQrVrfNkSuUYacCglFazeBXv+yxzyqxmOTZh4xAmxWqbUMBob3jAeAbq7vHP6+qXCIgO qgpUrjB Subject: [rfc-i] date-less citations X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" Hi there, is there an agreement about how to reference things that have no publiccation date (for whatever reason)? xml2rfc doesn't allow skipping , but it does allow leaving out all attributes, and this generates a date-less reference entry. However, recently, I have seen many documents saying "n.d.", which I believe originates from the use of kramdown-rfc2629 (abusing the date element, FWIW). Any opinions about what is the better choice? 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Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9f43a913-b27c-7f3e-3bda-c879c18a86c5@gmx.de> Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [rfc-i] date-less citations X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 5/14/17 1:51 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Hi there, > > is there an agreement about how to reference things that have no > publiccation date (for whatever reason)? > > xml2rfc doesn't allow skipping , but it does allow leaving out all > attributes, and this generates a date-less reference entry. > > However, recently, I have seen many documents saying "n.d.", which I > believe originates from the use of kramdown-rfc2629 (abusing the date > element, FWIW). > > Any opinions about what is the better choice? Hi Julian, I believe you're seeing the n.d. in the XML itself, yes? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5625199345974263104==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" --===============5625199345974263104== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-84D5BAA5-0FF3-4E9D-AA88-E055974506D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-84D5BAA5-0FF3-4E9D-AA88-E055974506D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Actually, references to open source projects and other moving targets is on= e interesting issue that we are having. So I'm not sure that sentence, which= probably was a desirable rule a decade or two ago, should stay true...) Sent from mobile > On 15. May 2017, at 01:08, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >=20 > On 5/14/17 5:40 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>> is there an agreement about how to reference things that have no publicc= ation date (for whatever reason)? >>=20 >> There are two main reasons: >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 the date is not given on the document (because the author didn=E2= =80=99t think this was an archival document, forgot to date, =E2=80=A6). >> - there was no publication date in that sense (e.g., for a web page that i= s continually being updated) >>=20 >> For the first, I like to have some indication of =E2=80=9Cno date=E2=80=9D= (and we can discuss whether =E2=80=9Cn.d.=E2=80=9D is Latin enough here :-)= . >> For the second case, the date-less reference may make most sense: >=20 > The second case is problematic. In that case the reference isn't stable. I= MO it shouldn't be treated as a *reference* at all. (It *definitely* shouldn= 't be a normative reference.) >=20 > Thanks, > Paul >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-84D5BAA5-0FF3-4E9D-AA88-E055974506D4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Actually, references to open source p= rojects and other moving targets is one interesting issue that we are having= . So I'm not sure that sentence, which probably was a desirable rule a decad= e or two ago, should stay true...)

Sent from mobile

On 15. May 2017, at 01:08, Paul Ky= zivat <paul.kyzivat@comcast.n= et> wrote:

On 5/14/= 17 5:40 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
is there an agreement about how to reference thin= gs that have no publiccation date (for whatever reason)?

There are two main reasons:

=E2=80=94 the date is not given on the document (because the= author didn=E2=80=99t think this was an archival document, forgot to date, =E2= =80=A6).
- there was n= o publication date in that sense (e.g., for a web page that is continually b= eing updated)
=
For the first, I like to ha= ve some indication of =E2=80=9Cno date=E2=80=9D (and we can discuss whether =E2= =80=9Cn.d.=E2=80=9D is Latin enough here :-).
For the second case, the date-less reference may ma= ke most sense:

The second case= is problematic. In that case the reference isn't stable. IMO it shouldn't b= e treated as a *reference* at all. (It *definitely* shouldn't be a normative= reference.)

   Thanks,    Paul

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Halpern" Message-ID: <30aff58c-454f-5ff2-d395-8893d7e22dcb@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:37:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [rfc-i] date-less citations X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" While I can not speak for the otehrs involved in the conversation about = references to open source, the general tone of the discussion has been = that normative references still have to be to a stable referent. Yours, Joel On 5/15/17 11:22 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > (Actually, references to open source projects and other moving targets > is one interesting issue that we are having. So I'm not sure that > sentence, which probably was a desirable rule a decade or two ago, > should stay true...) > > Sent from mobile > > On 15. May 2017, at 01:08, Paul Kyzivat > wrote: > >> On 5/14/17 5:40 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>>> is there an agreement about how to reference things that have no >>>> publiccation date (for whatever reason)? >>> >>> There are two main reasons: >>> >>> =97 the date is not given on the document (because the author didn=92t >>> think this was an archival document, forgot to date, =85). >>> - there was no publication date in that sense (e.g., for a web page >>> that is continually being updated) >>> >>> For the first, I like to have some indication of =93no date=94 (and we >>> can discuss whether =93n.d.=94 is Latin enough here :-). >>> For the second case, the date-less reference may make most sense: >> >> The second case is problematic. In that case the reference isn't >> stable. IMO it shouldn't be treated as a *reference* at all. (It >> *definitely* shouldn't be a normative reference.) >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rfc-interest mailing list >> rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Mon May 15 11:35:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315D8129BA3 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 11:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.892 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.892 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=comcast.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hqeTH0gTfDfK for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 11:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50E0A12945A for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF308B8138C; Mon, 15 May 2017 11:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470E6B8138C for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Authentication-Results: rfcpa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VKxohE7TudZx for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 11:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6AD0B8137B for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 11:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.107]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id AKmIdf4dzdlFQAKmRdrfhG; Mon, 15 May 2017 18:31:39 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1494873099; bh=Ds/XXmeL034JModINxeKUj94ihZXoVOZcHRb/F8gGoM=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WJOU0nV77W92eHnwwHtG8AHNxBeOb1sSFtt74+p7QZPf9Wb2DeDiKzI5+lNPnu5+1 ln0XPKaG82Mk5mlTIEKQa1dsnwMPO+e3ZpiHGEDSKH26T3pCBUXm+X7QyrsrfVCVVQ sZa8cJEys/pOCfxfglAogd/+BO1En2azHho4+MH63rHOf+tQPd9AiOgTMcaDi7seUw 1jM2fnDLOYFCJRXbRGiOHTezdSkAeYsDayiU4+ekNYprOlsv7lkH1QSxSpIwKpyO1g kDvQzlW5NKHG1K7yPfFYLB6yJyNGh7h1qtrdMlQ9wp1iQmpccG7zAf/PfC1aUqY9Mx Yvp/V7mEsQTLg== Received: from [192.168.1.110] ([24.62.227.142]) by resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id AKmQdINb6HHARAKmRdKEkM; Mon, 15 May 2017 18:31:39 +0000 To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <9f43a913-b27c-7f3e-3bda-c879c18a86c5@gmx.de> <4AB76FF9-58F0-499E-AD1A-DD39E21ABCB9@tzi.org> <30aff58c-454f-5ff2-d395-8893d7e22dcb@joelhalpern.com> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <0e40fd74-b96e-6bbc-e3ba-9cc28d97aec2@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 14:31:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <30aff58c-454f-5ff2-d395-8893d7e22dcb@joelhalpern.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDw3NUFSnUS7zXzLiyP0tWSJrxm4jqnzZ68wvzBQkkx+6rBDkJsFl6AufFlvak4htmNr+n9UedZFSjc0chR+CUL9Jc1F1bKZs/2kAAC/w2D7/nQB5dcj eUrBX9dZ2/MgJ5y+t3KrcBdasB0JuSQrzi86osbf/ySPKkKMPwgUb+MAYc9dj5g/qW7oB1rVPy6LDQ== Subject: Re: [rfc-i] date-less citations X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 5/15/17 11:37 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > While I can not speak for the otehrs involved in the conversation about > references to open source, the general tone of the discussion has been > that normative references still have to be to a stable referent. Yes. Perhaps the rule can be different for informative references. But = even then, if you are referring to a source that you claim has some = position about some topic, then if the reference isn't stable you have = no reason to believe that the reader will find any such thing. It might make sense to say "The web site at http:foo.bar/baz is a place = where code on this subject may be found." But given the life cycle of = open source projects even that may be dicy. At least that is a different = sort of reference than either normative or informative references. Thanks, Paul > Yours, > Joel > > On 5/15/17 11:22 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> (Actually, references to open source projects and other moving targets >> is one interesting issue that we are having. So I'm not sure that >> sentence, which probably was a desirable rule a decade or two ago, >> should stay true...) >> >> Sent from mobile >> >> On 15. May 2017, at 01:08, Paul Kyzivat > > wrote: >> >>> On 5/14/17 5:40 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>>>> is there an agreement about how to reference things that have no >>>>> publiccation date (for whatever reason)? >>>> >>>> There are two main reasons: >>>> >>>> =97 the date is not given on the document (because the author didn=92t >>>> think this was an archival document, forgot to date, =85). >>>> - there was no publication date in that sense (e.g., for a web page >>>> that is continually being updated) >>>> >>>> For the first, I like to have some indication of =93no date=94 (and we >>>> can discuss whether =93n.d.=94 is Latin enough here :-). >>>> For the second case, the date-less reference may make most sense: >>> >>> The second case is problematic. In that case the reference isn't >>> stable. IMO it shouldn't be treated as a *reference* at all. (It >>> *definitely* shouldn't be a normative reference.) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rfc-interest mailing list >>> rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rfc-interest mailing list >> rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest >> > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Mon May 15 12:53:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C167A127977 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.802 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.802 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2GdJq9YKIFEq for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CE6C1294B2 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE89B81174; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:49:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B94B81174 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vAQMKMB5YCE7 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBC63B81172 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Orochi.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v4FJnhXZ093845 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 15 May 2017 14:49:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Orochi.local To: Paul Kyzivat , rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <9f43a913-b27c-7f3e-3bda-c879c18a86c5@gmx.de> <4AB76FF9-58F0-499E-AD1A-DD39E21ABCB9@tzi.org> <30aff58c-454f-5ff2-d395-8893d7e22dcb@joelhalpern.com> <0e40fd74-b96e-6bbc-e3ba-9cc28d97aec2@comcast.net> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <17452a41-a78b-dc70-88a7-36f7bd72b9b7@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 14:49:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0e40fd74-b96e-6bbc-e3ba-9cc28d97aec2@comcast.net> Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [rfc-i] date-less citations X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 5/15/17 13:31, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 5/15/17 11:37 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: >> While I can not speak for the otehrs involved in the conversation about >> references to open source, the general tone of the discussion has been >> that normative references still have to be to a stable referent. > > Yes. Perhaps the rule can be different for informative references. But > even then, if you are referring to a source that you claim has some > position about some topic, then if the reference isn't stable you have > no reason to believe that the reader will find any such thing. To be fair, though, we allow informative citations to internet drafts (as "work in progress," naturally), which have no guarantee of being eventually published. They could expire or change substantially. /a _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Mon May 15 13:00:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82558126DD9 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 13:00:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2HemsSB1Kf6k for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 13:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B73E3129B3F for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33764B811B1; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:58:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9103B811B1 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zRxbY7o9A7di for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22879B811AE for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.120.200]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lj1Cw-1di2Vz3bfa-00dF0g; Mon, 15 May 2017 21:57:45 +0200 To: Adam Roach , Paul Kyzivat , rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <9f43a913-b27c-7f3e-3bda-c879c18a86c5@gmx.de> <4AB76FF9-58F0-499E-AD1A-DD39E21ABCB9@tzi.org> <30aff58c-454f-5ff2-d395-8893d7e22dcb@joelhalpern.com> <0e40fd74-b96e-6bbc-e3ba-9cc28d97aec2@comcast.net> <17452a41-a78b-dc70-88a7-36f7bd72b9b7@nostrum.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 21:57:43 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17452a41-a78b-dc70-88a7-36f7bd72b9b7@nostrum.com> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:3VdT4aAotayayXbVAde2mJv53pj7GM+leLYY2OIqsiU67zOnfHz S9jvxCY2HSdwz5f3FrDidMue3zdB0Cg3zpZUvJFRZiIHxHikUMFov3RHueZt/AKFJ2w6f9h trRTusakB1jpodRWcNsRC2YNfLDL/XQZwEgJz8/sZApRsAhJ4VtGrByIMly90Pgr8Ky82bL tFaOCYxativC0Nfs/yang== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:tRsZtj0+Wa8=:Rl35yVgQBcL4l7HpsWIiGV 8AP5eoSEPGp3SGrsIEQdS2AcODdlFJYTG1oMcITiYugFb6Negb0IhTVkGm8BF3iw/ZP3w4wTN hkXIK5OiQ7tgo772gB1djd3lT7nzQfHspczsObe0V7keOD0+txeAz5cgyTaiPbWH4QjIs5mnd +c8J0oAXdHa0CPcel6iFtU6zN7Dd/atLJJE038TiUJs1uY4jBCXMZxqtIT2vkaaRKzxRPKGxT oUu6zeHZ+w7pQJ0C+CythoTIJ7XJNNVoiGTMJ5eNIxBR0TgD32RnKUASzdVBOrjeN6fxOwvMT k4KhK6RZTr7o7Z3q5lnD2yL8/o2klF1n6za1CrDyTvDoZSu/aaZ8QIUj7qwlg9+tE5H8r70vj yvFqsadtkJbxft19zl1QhJp3U9coRwvbEEtVheYVtfMh0ungrSRlDRGndX8DjYJzFZL7kh/Sk oC9HlW8ORbKdC2dsiJS8XlK3sD487Te3wq/HR8GIucV2brt3AUqHy52zv5w6SaoIA60ao6naJ cRA6CuBVVoxWVaOXga/FZHI3vWN+QfaHfd1BgYAcBP7QWoOPsH2xCQj0ayKZsnb4KeCDyyk47 XaZfDOKfpQn+XQ1kgwDW2YBu7YfldBLk9tNV2xw7MJuqSRPi9c8slwlZhOAsmh7rXl0xgPvH2 DIPmGlBnzWNldXZloCKOJH/Cr0Gh+J04t2FRNs81hGvPBPio/dV9cQhBpnTMpefCzjCUl11u+ /dkbff+NO7MQYQVYccRYjPy5ijLnn/rq1rObzR7D3Vz+uNMlsNxmUMiLQ0V1H7IK8nZVm25Gk MMSaEXv Subject: Re: [rfc-i] date-less citations X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-05-15 21:49, Adam Roach wrote: > On 5/15/17 13:31, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> On 5/15/17 11:37 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: >>> While I can not speak for the otehrs involved in the conversation about >>> references to open source, the general tone of the discussion has been >>> that normative references still have to be to a stable referent. >> >> Yes. Perhaps the rule can be different for informative references. But >> even then, if you are referring to a source that you claim has some >> position about some topic, then if the reference isn't stable you have >> no reason to believe that the reader will find any such thing. > > To be fair, though, we allow informative citations to internet drafts > (as "work in progress," naturally), which have no guarantee of being > eventually published. They could expire or change substantially. Specific versions of Internet Drafts are stable... _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest