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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" https://www.greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc7991.html#element.ol.attribute.type If I specify type="a", is this equivalent to type="%c" or type="%c." ? The text would imply the former, but the latter is clearly preferable. _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Thu Sep 7 22:51:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0B81330D1 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fC16qumi7R_B for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5763132355 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904D9B80E50; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:51:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DBAB80E50 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KJsAL-IsA2K5 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 030DFB80E4F for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.75.135]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LbA4j-1dAlZA1hjV-00kiRL; Fri, 08 Sep 2017 07:51:37 +0200 To: Martin Thomson , RFC Interest References: From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <42cc012a-20a5-faa6-ed31-80a567464c9c@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:51:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:MXasFwklF9fZGHVMPWfmd3zos/LXH2e4ofYRTIkWRTw3UsOJUbh PmtRJ73DWFgEAIsLevE4j3PXIfUotIFlq5nc5sLnUhaimmubznjA+fvY/c74cRtyL5MeDFV 8beFxxo+5EroSK+yhAAOROv+vmadXYUwMBQjy4hDi2NztkzwgKSCPdOyxNXsHu6USlEMTau E9phRKDW8hw15Afcg+SMg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:4PsdkmANnIs=:mKbRMvqnxI9Z5CVPJjRnoo brp/4dlsRwMYRf93qJSkZd7lj/LAGikcBXiuw9s2u2OjIwJkX+3N6eYkE0ub19zyIMgVNDkqk ZaWUilh4b/55lDQ48VF3khNLVG36Ixo3RKeQ+OUpp2YciFpYwFULICovSic0lY2Dbtn34jyr5 g3Q3qwuUvUfOIsuhPUizqxLvRbcTVQhCdq2pxZCXJOdvxcJfLfNVXVQD17+ycWOvCNQkQbTRa 8dI/Cmq5LDP5GamhICP0EJVDfE1p2g+LiIJcF8BlSAcjK8d6pGQOawUysp6ivrKgm63jdhmzM qHHKe7Lk9iD9a339D/JbDekEOdbAa+QR//WRUhRNAkJ6sMlzPdOIOdnphMHgF7ZWmYaEkZk0W 8mSDfZD8/hxAqNYMzdvpYV68TpzNjlZfQrNXntOXvBuN1apBOrpx4JsN9ppBZjBiVm4LCzLb3 N46jCCq+Q0cD+jfLlMIR71Up7mkbiFXiRo9RYBR1JtJ3gqBpHcb+OAx4Pxg12C0Q/ylHSqBJR vmJ97JZfHkBVxTwdVCUfpGtQLN2uUrhLVvwr5id/e0l2t8kq2wN9VFhw9IYUz3yZLP1zVabtM jvUHY5eAOBj3sNOr5kYeOLzpqsHw1rOBBviMbjsgZKEqhGTIdCblscs9nk2MfT9IVdW1VS/4p iq9uoxq4VK75XL3RLtBZ2pVfZsVsrsJJfsMR/phOnqTLgLdnUssGJa1hE9QEZE2GvcDsYqBap TEX74JXivnyLYjp6EuP6xhJWoxTHdP4Pa2BMGpMNI5UT7O7mU3lu0+LidbL9s/hs0LxDWoNSY DYTDscJYhRInzyiute4YzU6AaM1ybkqlyB2AVN5dn+SCNseqWI= Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RFC 7991 ol@type X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-09-08 07:41, Martin Thomson wrote: > https://www.greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc7991.html#element.ol.attribute.type > > If I specify type="a", is this equivalent to type="%c" or type="%c." ? > > The text would imply the former, but the latter is clearly preferable. > ... My implementation does the latter (as this is what CSS will do with type==a). 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> If I specify type="a", is this equivalent to type="%c" or type="%c." ? > > My implementation does the latter (as this is what CSS will do with > type==a). Does this warrant an erratum? _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Thu Sep 7 23:07:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB791321F1 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:07:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SMKZ-aN2XqPb for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 740EB1321DC for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E782B81073; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767C9B81073 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rleUv8XOINm1 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65A6EB81072 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v8867oXt011807; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:07:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from client-0107.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0107.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3xpRgp5WbkzDLVC; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:07:50 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:07:49 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 526543669.709986-2e77a3f3fc63ad3fd215f4aabf3b5a54 Message-Id: <7E05FD3B-0E70-4BD0-8BC5-0773E8CD4EBD@tzi.org> References: To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RFC 7991 ol@type X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Julian Reschke , RFC Interest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 7 Sep 2017, at 22:56, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julian Reschke > wrote: >>> If I specify type="a", is this equivalent to type="%c" or type="%c." >>> ? >> >> My implementation does the latter (as this is what CSS will do with >> type==a). > > Does this warrant an erratum? It warrants a issue in https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Fri Sep 8 08:57:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F242A132EF7 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZfvY7C4AB4vI for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60A5F13202D for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A624AB80C30; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24A6B80C30 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0jfkDmrP4Ics for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA03FB80C27 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154C51C4A30 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-uASR5i263Q for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (c-73-181-135-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.181.135.61]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E09781C3F55 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:17 -0700 (PDT) To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:57:28 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [rfc-i] Style Guide and Abstract guidance X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." 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<0A66E4B2-94DE-4EE0-8722-A964145AB247@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:22:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Style Guide and Abstract guidance X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." 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4.3.=C2=A0 = Abstract Section 4.3.=C2=A0 Abstract = Section
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Every RFC must have an Abstract that provides a concise and = =C2=A0=C2=A0 Every RFC must have an Abstract = that provides a concise and
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = comprehensive overview of the purpose and contents of the = entire =C2=A0=C2=A0 comprehensive = overview of the purpose and contents of the entire
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = document, to give a technically knowledgeable reader a general = =C2=A0=C2=A0 document, to give a technically = knowledgeable reader a general
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = overview of the function of the document. =C2=A0= =C2=A0 overview of the function of the document = and some context with
= =C2=A0=C2=A0 regards to = its relationship (in particular, whether it updates or
= =C2=A0=C2=A0 obsoletes) = any other RFCs.=C2=A0 In addition to its function in the = RFC
= =C2=A0=C2=A0 itself, = the Abstract section text will appear in publication
= =C2=A0=C2=A0 = announcements and in the online index of RFCs.
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Composing a useful Abstract generally requires thought and = care. =C2=A0=C2=A0 Composing a useful = Abstract generally requires thought and care.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Usually, an Abstract should begin with a phrase like "This memo = ..." =C2=A0=C2=A0 Usually, an Abstract = should begin with a phrase like "This memo ..."
=C2=A0=C2=A0 or = "This document ..."=C2=A0 A satisfactory Abstract can often be = =C2=A0=C2=A0 or "This document ..."=C2=A0 A = satisfactory Abstract can often be
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = constructed in part from material within the Introduction = section, =C2=A0=C2=A0 constructed in = part from material within the Introduction section,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 but = an effective Abstract may be shorter, less detailed, and = perhaps =C2=A0=C2=A0 but an effective = Abstract may be shorter, less detailed, and perhaps
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = broader in scope than the Introduction.=C2=A0 Simply copying and = pasting =C2=A0=C2=A0 broader in scope = than the Introduction.=C2=A0 Simply copying and pasting
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the = first few paragraphs of the Introduction is allowed, but it may = =C2=A0=C2=A0 the first few paragraphs of the = Introduction is allowed, but it may
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = result in an Abstract that is both = incomplete and redundant.=C2=A0 = Note =C2=A0=C2=A0 result in an = Abstract that is overly long, incomplete, = and redundant.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 also that an Abstract is not a substitute = for an Introduction; the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 RFC should be self-contained as if there = were no Abstract.
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 RFCs.=C2=A0 Therefore, the Abstract = must not contain citations. = =C2=A0=C2=A0 = Similarly, the Abstract should be complete in itself.=C2=A0 Given that the
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= =C2=A0=C2=A0 or = instead.=C2=A0 Any documents that are Updated or Obsoleted by the = RFC
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--Apple-Mail=_AB96E6C1-D46E-4B6F-B916-2B935DDB932A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) = wrote: >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > After some discussion with the IESG, I'm proposing a substantive = change > to the guidance around Abstracts. The goal is to make the Abstract = more > clear in setting the context of the document. I'd like community > feedback before I update the draft. Thoughts? >=20 > CURRENT: > 4.3. Abstract Section >=20 > Every RFC must have an Abstract that provides a concise and > comprehensive overview of the purpose and contents of the entire > document, to give a technically knowledgeable reader a general > overview of the function of the document. >=20 > Composing a useful Abstract generally requires thought and care. > Usually, an Abstract should begin with a phrase like "This memo = ..." > or "This document ..." A satisfactory Abstract can often be > constructed in part from material within the Introduction section, > but an effective Abstract may be shorter, less detailed, and = perhaps > broader in scope than the Introduction. Simply copying and pasting > the first few paragraphs of the Introduction is allowed, but it may > result in an Abstract that is both incomplete and redundant. Note > also that an Abstract is not a substitute for an Introduction; the > RFC should be self-contained as if there were no Abstract. >=20 > Similarly, the Abstract should be complete in itself. It will = appear > in isolation in publication announcements and in the online index = of > RFCs. Therefore, the Abstract must not contain citations. >=20 >=20 > PROPOSED: > 4.3. Abstract Section >=20 > Every RFC must have an Abstract that provides a concise and > comprehensive overview of the purpose and contents of the entire > document, to give a technically knowledgeable reader a general > overview of the function of the document and some context with > regards to its relationship (in particular, whether it updates or > obsoletes) any other RFCs. In addition to its function in the RFC > itself, the Abstract section text will appear in publication > announcements and in the online index of RFCs. >=20 > Composing a useful Abstract generally requires thought and care. > Usually, an Abstract should begin with a phrase like "This memo = ..." > or "This document ..." A satisfactory Abstract can often be > constructed in part from material within the Introduction section, > but an effective Abstract may be shorter, less detailed, and = perhaps > broader in scope than the Introduction. Simply copying and pasting > the first few paragraphs of the Introduction is allowed, but it may > result in an Abstract that is overly long, incomplete, and = redundant. >=20 > An Abstract is not a substitute for an Introduction; the > RFC should be self-contained as if there were no Abstract. > Similarly, the Abstract should be complete in itself. Given that = the > Abstract will appear independently in announcements > and indices, mentions of other RFCs within the Abstract should > include both an RFC number and title. If a short description > is clearer than the literal title, it may be included in addition > or instead. Any documents that are Updated or Obsoleted by the RFC > must be mentioned in the Abstract. 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Sun, 10 Sep 2017 15:18:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.14.77 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2017 15:18:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Martin Thomson Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 08:18:56 +1000 Message-ID: To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Style Guide and Abstract guidance X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" I hope that the omission of a final period is just a copy-paste error. The requirement to include an RFC title will make things more cumbersome. I agree with Brian that allowing an abbreviated title would be wise. A recent document has a title that consumes two lines on its own. On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > Hello all, > > After some discussion with the IESG, I'm proposing a substantive change > to the guidance around Abstracts. The goal is to make the Abstract more > clear in setting the context of the document. I'd like community > feedback before I update the draft. Thoughts? > > CURRENT: > 4.3. Abstract Section > > Every RFC must have an Abstract that provides a concise and > comprehensive overview of the purpose and contents of the entire > document, to give a technically knowledgeable reader a general > overview of the function of the document. > > Composing a useful Abstract generally requires thought and care. > Usually, an Abstract should begin with a phrase like "This memo ..." > or "This document ..." A satisfactory Abstract can often be > constructed in part from material within the Introduction section, > but an effective Abstract may be shorter, less detailed, and perhaps > broader in scope than the Introduction. Simply copying and pasting > the first few paragraphs of the Introduction is allowed, but it may > result in an Abstract that is both incomplete and redundant. Note > also that an Abstract is not a substitute for an Introduction; the > RFC should be self-contained as if there were no Abstract. > > Similarly, the Abstract should be complete in itself. It will appear > in isolation in publication announcements and in the online index of > RFCs. Therefore, the Abstract must not contain citations. > > > PROPOSED: > 4.3. Abstract Section > > Every RFC must have an Abstract that provides a concise and > comprehensive overview of the purpose and contents of the entire > document, to give a technically knowledgeable reader a general > overview of the function of the document and some context with > regards to its relationship (in particular, whether it updates or > obsoletes) any other RFCs. In addition to its function in the RFC > itself, the Abstract section text will appear in publication > announcements and in the online index of RFCs. > > Composing a useful Abstract generally requires thought and care. > Usually, an Abstract should begin with a phrase like "This memo ..." > or "This document ..." A satisfactory Abstract can often be > constructed in part from material within the Introduction section, > but an effective Abstract may be shorter, less detailed, and perhaps > broader in scope than the Introduction. Simply copying and pasting > the first few paragraphs of the Introduction is allowed, but it may > result in an Abstract that is overly long, incomplete, and redundant. > > An Abstract is not a substitute for an Introduction; the > RFC should be self-contained as if there were no Abstract. > Similarly, the Abstract should be complete in itself. Given that the > Abstract will appear independently in announcements > and indices, mentions of other RFCs within the Abstract should > include both an RFC number and title. If a short description > is clearer than the literal title, it may be included in addition > or instead. Any documents that are Updated or Obsoleted by the RFC > must be mentioned in the Abstract. These may be presented in a > list format if that improves readability > > > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sun Sep 10 21:42:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D2F132CE8 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2017 21:42:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.089 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.089 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" Hello all, RFC 8187, "Indicating Character Encoding and Language for HTTP Header Field Parameters", is the first RFC to be published with UTF-8 encoding and include characters not in the basic ASCII character set. This document has been, with the author's consent, patience, and support, used to test the existing tool chain to produce RFCs to see where the environment has difficulty in handling non-ASCII characters. The RPC is continues this testing with the PRECIS document cluster (C326), which is currently in AUTH48. The RPC and the Tools Team has identified several areas that need to be modified to support these characters. Some of those areas will ultimately be handled with the new format tools; others have been modified as part of the more general work to prepare for the new RFC format. For the documents being used to test the toolchain, a significant amount of manual processing is required to publish the RFCs with non-ASCII characters in the final text. In order to keep overall processing times down, leave staff enough time to test the other tools that are being developed as part of the RFC format project, and allow the editors time to create and/or update new procedures as the v3 tools are released, no additional non-ASCII documents outside of RFC 8187 and the PRECIS cluster will be published until the new format tools are in production. Many thanks go out to Julian Reschke and Peter Saint-Andre for their support, the Tools Team for answering a variety of technical questions, and to the RPC staff who worked to ensure that the RFC publication process resulted in readable RFCs. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 9/14/17, 5:07 PM, "rfc-interest on behalf of Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" wrote: RFC 8187, "Indicating Character Encoding and Language for HTTP Header Field Parameters", is the first RFC to be published with UTF-8 encoding and include characters not in the basic ASCII character set. ... Heather Flanagan, RSE Congratulations, Heather, to you, your team, and the authors. This is a big step forward, and I know it took lots of hard work and community involvement to get here. I think the steps the team took used the right balance of progress and restraint in this important area. Congratulations again. Tony Hansen _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Fri Sep 15 10:39:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF91B133A6D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bb3BjAWzkQqz for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7363A133A6A for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C40B81911; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931F4B81910; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFg2Ex78ePIo; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.frobbit.se (mail.frobbit.se [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffe::176]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52917B8190C; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 10:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.165.72.121] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffc:0:e4e9:a69e:bb80:eac2]) by mail.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 875781FDC7; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 19:39:39 +0200 (CEST) From: "Patrik =?utf-8?b?RsOkbHRzdHLDtm0=?=" To: "HANSEN, TONY L" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 19:39:39 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <09b0ed8b-c47a-83c3-9174-cce990bdb145@rfc-editor.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6090) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RFC Series publishes first RFC with non-ASCII characters X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." 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This is a= big step forward, and I know it took lots of hard work and community inv= olvement to get here. > > I think the steps the team took used the right balance of progress and = restraint in this important area. > > Congratulations again. Indeed! Congratulations! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, Heather Flanagan , ietf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3859110425739347840==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 3156 and 4880). --===============3859110425739347840== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_MailMate_9F6540FB-3F51-4A32-91A3-137E334101B7_="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 3156 and 4880). --=_MailMate_9F6540FB-3F51-4A32-91A3-137E334101B7_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16 Sep 2017, at 2:22, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: > P.P.S.: Regarding the content of that RFC, I think may already know, bu= t for the record, I'll repeat here that I think it's way outdated. I real= ly wish the HTTP WG would take some hints from this RFC work and finally = get the message that straightforward UTF-8 is the way to go (we all knew = that ages ago, anyway). +1 RFC 2130 from April 1997: > This report recommends the use of ISO 10646 as the default Coded > Character Set, and UTF-8 as the default Character Encoding Scheme in > the creation of new protocols or new version of old protocols which > transmit text. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, IETF Discussion Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3032852713190817104==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" --===============3032852713190817104== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1a482635a99b05597094c4" --94eb2c1a482635a99b05597094c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My hearty thanks to all those who dragged this process into the 21st century. I might go so far as to say =F0=9F=92=93 =F0=9F=92=93 =F0=9F=92=93= ! Seriously, strong work. On Sep 14, 2017 2:07 PM, "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" < rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote: > Hello all, > > RFC 8187, "Indicating Character Encoding and Language for HTTP Header > Field Parameters", is the first RFC to be published with UTF-8 encoding > and include characters not in the basic ASCII character set. This > document has been, with the author's consent, patience, and support, > used to test the existing tool chain to produce RFCs to see where the > environment has difficulty in handling non-ASCII characters. The RPC is > continues this testing with the PRECIS document cluster (C326), which is > currently in AUTH48. > > The RPC and the Tools Team has identified several areas that need to be > modified to support these characters. Some of those areas will > ultimately be handled with the new format tools; others have been > modified as part of the more general work to prepare for the new RFC > format. For the documents being used to test the toolchain, a > significant amount of manual processing is required to publish the > RFCs with non-ASCII characters in the final text. In order to keep > overall processing times down, leave staff enough time to test > the other tools that are being developed as part of the RFC format > project, and allow the editors time to create and/or update new > procedures as the v3 tools are released, no additional non-ASCII > documents outside of RFC 8187 and the PRECIS cluster will be published > until the new format tools are in production. > > Many thanks go out to Julian Reschke and Peter Saint-Andre for their > support, the Tools Team for answering a variety of technical questions, > and to the RPC staff who worked to ensure that the RFC > publication process resulted in readable RFCs. > > > Heather Flanagan, RSE > > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > --94eb2c1a482635a99b05597094c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My hearty thanks to all those who dragged this process in= to the 21st century. I might go so far as to say =F0=9F=92=93 =F0=9F=92=93 = =F0=9F=92=93!

Seriously, stron= g work.

On Sep 14, 2017 2:07 PM, "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)"= <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote= :
Hello all,

RFC 8187, "Indicating Character Encoding and Language for HTTP Header<= br> Field Parameters", is the first RFC to be published with UTF-8 encodin= g
and include characters not in the basic ASCII character set. This
document has been, with the author's consent, patience, and support, used to test the existing tool chain to produce RFCs to see where the
environment has difficulty in handling non-ASCII characters. The RPC is
continues this testing with the PRECIS document cluster (C326), which is currently in AUTH48.

The RPC and the Tools Team has identified several areas that need to be
modified to support these characters. Some of those areas will
ultimately be handled with the new format tools; others have been
modified as part of the more general work to prepare for the new RFC
format. For the documents being used to test the toolchain, a
significant amount of manual processing is required to publish the
RFCs with non-ASCII characters in the final text. In order to keep
overall processing times down, leave staff enough time to test
the other tools that are being developed as part of the RFC format
project, and allow the editors time to create and/or update new
procedures as the v3 tools are released, no additional non-ASCII
documents outside of RFC 8187 and the PRECIS cluster will be published
until the new format tools are in production.

Many thanks go out to Julian Reschke and Peter Saint-Andre for their
support, the Tools Team for answering a variety of technical questions,
and to the RPC staff who worked to ensure that the RFC
publication process resulted in readable RFCs.


Heather Flanagan, RSE

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, "Heather Flanagan \(RFC Series Editor\)" , IETF Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" SW5kZWVkLiBUaGlzIHdhcyBhbiBpbXBvcnRhbnQgYW5kIHZlcnkgdXNlZnVsIG1pbGVzdG9uZS4g VGhhbmtzLCBhbGwgd2hvIGhlbHBlZCBtYWtlIGl0IGhhcHBlbi4gQW5kIHllcywgSeKAmW0gc3Vy ZSB0aGVyZeKAmXMgcGxlbnR5IG9mIHdvcmsgYWhlYWQgdG9vLgoKSmFyaQoKX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KcmZjLWludGVyZXN0IG1haWxpbmcg bGlzdApyZmMtaW50ZXJlc3RAcmZjLWVkaXRvci5vcmcKaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmZjLWVkaXRvci5v cmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9yZmMtaW50ZXJlc3QK From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Mon Sep 18 07:12:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2E313217D for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ChV_9XBnvdX8 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 955DA1331C1 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE862B81317; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4CAB81317 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ock37s7I9piB for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sh-ks.net (mail.sh-ks.net [83.236.182.180]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF4C7B81316 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x4db24a2d.dyn.telefonica.de by smtp.schlachthof-kassel.de (SendMail 8.14.4/2.0) with ESMTP TLSv1/SSLv3 id v8IECfmt022880 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:12:42 +0200 Message-ID: <59BFD460.6010301@dvl.sh-ks.net> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:12:48 +0200 From: rfc@dvl.sh-ks.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i586; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Subject: [rfc-i] SMTP-HELO clarification X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" we've problems with some MTA-admins, which interpret the rfc in another way, than we do. maybe someone could help to clarify. rfc 1123, section 5.2.5, page 50f says, that the receiver may verify the HELO-parameter, but MUST NOT refuse acceptance on failure. rfc 2821 (which updates, but not obsoletes rfc 1123), section 4.1.1.1, page 29 describes, how HELO has to be used and how the parameter should look like, but does not explicitly refer to rfc 1123, how the parameter-content has to be interpreted. as we understand the rfc-mechanisms, rfc 2821 don't need to refer explicitly to certain parts of rfc 1123, except when it makes a change or limit to that rfc. unfortunately some MTA-admins doesn't match this and say, that rfc 1123 has been updated by rfc 2821 and doesn't repeat the relevant section, so this won't be valid any more. (the result is, they reject messages because of HELO/hostname-mismatches) so, who is right on interpretation of the RFCs? and: is there any RFC, which defines, that the FQDN-parameter of the HELO 1. *MUST* match the reverse-mapping of the used IP-address? 2. *MUST* resolve to the used IP-address? rfc 2821 only say, that if no FQDN is available, an address-literal should be used. thanks. best regards j. _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Mon Sep 18 09:42:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13937132D4E for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QWeB8DsWQ6qN for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCBF3120720 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35D0B82151; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5C7B82151 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:41:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xNhrArj5PBHw for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mournblade.imrryr.org (mournblade.imrryr.org [108.5.242.66]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD6EFB82150 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.161] (straasha.imrryr.org [100.2.39.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mournblade.imrryr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F38607A3309 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ietf-dane@dukhovni.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Viktor Dukhovni In-Reply-To: <59BFD460.6010301@dvl.sh-ks.net> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:42:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5A811FF0-BF2D-4A99-91CA-FDCFDC47D3D3@dukhovni.org> References: <59BFD460.6010301@dvl.sh-ks.net> To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] SMTP-HELO clarification X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" > On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:12 AM, rfc@dvl.sh-ks.net wrote: [ No idea what forum this discussion belongs on, if any, but probably [rfc-i] is not it. If the discussion continues, it should probably move to a more appropriate list. For the moment "Reply-To" is still [rfc-i], as I don't have a better list at my fingertips. ] > > We've problems with some MTA-admins, which interpret the rfc in > another way, than we do. They are not interpreting an RFC they are operating a mail server in whatever way they think works best for them. The spam wars long ago ended any pretense that RFC-compliance is sufficient for reliable email delivery to all parties. > Unfortunately some MTA-admins [...] reject messages because of > HELO/hostname-mismatches) They choose to do so because they don't lose much email they care about, and believe that this helps them to reject much email they'd rather refuse. > so, who is right on interpretation of the RFCs? That's not the right question, I'm afraid. > Is there any RFC, which defines, that the FQDN-parameter of the HELO > 1. *MUST* match the reverse-mapping of the used IP-address? > 2. *MUST* resolve to the used IP-address? Not exactly, but close, RFC5321 section 2.3.5 says in part: Only resolvable, fully-qualified domain names (FQDNs) are permitted when domain names are used in SMTP. In other words, names that can be resolved to MX RRs or address (i.e., A or AAAA) RRs (as discussed in Section 5) are permitted, as are CNAME RRs whose targets can be resolved, in turn, to MX or address RRs. Local nicknames or unqualified names MUST NOT be used. There are two exceptions to the rule requiring FQDNs: o The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST be either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an address RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal, as described in Section 4.1.3 and discussed further in the EHLO discussion of Section 4.1.4. And section 4.1.4 goes on to say: An SMTP server MAY verify that the domain name argument in the EHLO command actually corresponds to the IP address of the client. However, if the verification fails, the server MUST NOT refuse to accept a message on that basis. Information captured in the verification attempt is for logging and tracing purposes. Note that this prohibition applies to the matching of the parameter to its IP address only; see Section 7.9 for a more extensive discussion of rejecting incoming connections or mail messages. So the EHLO name, if not an address literal, MUST [at least] be a real FQDN hostname that resolves to an address, but servers are SUPPOSED TO NOT reject on the basis of conditions 1 or 2 failing. However, in real life some servers do that, and may not accept mail where the EHLO domain is an address literal. If you want to be able to deliver email to these domains, you'll need to play by their rules. -- Viktor. _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Mon Sep 18 10:18:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEF81331E4 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:18:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id If9QFivy-qUS for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0C2D133071 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D97B812B9; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:17:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05960B812B9 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0JDDf8oePjx for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3797FB812B8 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Svantevit.roach.at (cpe-70-122-154-80.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.154.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v8IHI1K3079783 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:18:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-122-154-80.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.154.80] claimed to be Svantevit.roach.at To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, Viktor Dukhovni References: <59BFD460.6010301@dvl.sh-ks.net> <5A811FF0-BF2D-4A99-91CA-FDCFDC47D3D3@dukhovni.org> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <29c8dac6-3e23-80cf-7847-fc45f5fa9413@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:18:00 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A811FF0-BF2D-4A99-91CA-FDCFDC47D3D3@dukhovni.org> Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [rfc-i] SMTP-HELO clarification X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" One usability comment: As a frequent reader of RFC, primarily using the text format, it would be great if there was a human readable tag, eg: as another header line indicating enough about the format used by the document to quickly know what the minimum required viewer is to get a guaranteed correct display - ASCII, UTF8, HTML (when graphics are needed), ... Eg: Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) J. Reschke Request for Comments: 8187 greenbytes Obsoletes: 5987 September 2017 Category: Standards Track Format: ASCII / UTF8 / "graphics" / ... Cheers Toerless _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Thu Sep 21 08:01:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2E512ECEC for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:01:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.713 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.713 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FAKE_REPLY_C=1.486, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FeFNqSQidCED for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78D94134B71 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781AEB81531; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5B8B8123F; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rvNvfCZIqpIs; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68947B8123E; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F32958C4F8; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 373E2B0CC2F; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:48:02 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Message-ID: <20170919204802.GB20344@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:01:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RFC Series publishes first RFC with non-ASCII characters X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" One usability comment: As a frequent reader of RFC, primarily using the text format, it would be great if there was a human readable tag, eg: as another header line indicating enough about the format used by the document to quickly know what the minimum required viewer is to get a guaranteed correct display - ASCII, UTF8, HTML (when graphics are needed), ... Eg: Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) J. Reschke Request for Comments: 8187 greenbytes Obsoletes: 5987 September 2017 Category: Standards Track Format: ASCII / UTF8 / "graphics" / ... 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-09-14 23:07, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > ... > The RPC and the Tools Team has identified several areas that need to be > modified to support these characters. Some of those areas will > ultimately be handled with the new format tools; others have been > modified as part of the more general work to prepare for the new RFC > format. For the documents being used to test the toolchain, a > significant amount of manual processing is required to publish the > RFCs with non-ASCII characters in the final text. In order to keep > ... Out of curiosity: as the current version of xml2rfc produces the UTF-8 plain text just fine (*), what additional processing are you referring to? > overall processing times down, leave staff enough time to test > the other tools that are being developed as part of the RFC format > project, and allow the editors time to create and/or update new > procedures as the v3 tools are released, no additional non-ASCII > documents outside of RFC 8187 and the PRECIS cluster will be published > until the new format tools are in production. > ... Understood. Now what does this mean for drafts being written right now, and which are not expected to be ready for publication in the next, let's say, 12 months? Can we start submitting I-Ds with non-ASCII characters right now (without getting stopped by id-nits...)? Best regards, Julian (*) with the possible exception of the BOM :-) _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Fri Sep 22 09:54:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9245413454F for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BO7FAVWdnpcB for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CA7513454C for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188B8B81DDB; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DCDB81DDB for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:53:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J77fdvaWdwDP for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9EF4B81DDA for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4F71C4A33; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a22oIxDZCSwi; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (c-73-181-135-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.181.135.61]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11ACA1C4A2E; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Julian Reschke , ietf@ietf.org, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <09b0ed8b-c47a-83c3-9174-cce990bdb145@rfc-editor.org> <69edbf4c-abd0-27ac-fa23-ac1b93180698@gmx.de> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: <4c9d1cb1-8776-4ee9-3dd3-f1902f09753b@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:54:17 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <69edbf4c-abd0-27ac-fa23-ac1b93180698@gmx.de> Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RFC Series publishes first RFC with non-ASCII characters X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 9/22/17 5:51 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2017-09-14 23:07, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >> ... >> The RPC and the Tools Team has identified several areas that need to be >> modified to support these characters. Some of those areas will >> ultimately be handled with the new format tools; others have been >> modified as part of the more general work to prepare for the new RFC >> format. For the documents being used to test the toolchain, a >> significant amount of manual processing is required to publish the >> RFCs with non-ASCII characters in the final text. In order to keep > > ... > > Out of curiosity: as the current version of xml2rfc produces the UTF-8 > plain text just fine (*), what additional processing are you referring > to? There are the manual checks to determine if everything renders exactly as expected. There are a number of discussions as we learn how to deal with half- and full-width characters in the same document, and try to determine the best path forward to make such characters in tables to line up properly. There are even more discussions as we learn more about invisible space characters outside of the ASCII realm and try to understand if those are something we need to write scripts to identify. xml2rfc is just one component of getting these documents published. > >> overall processing times down, leave staff enough time to test >> the other tools that are being developed as part of the RFC format >> project, and allow the editors time to create and/or update new >> procedures as the v3 tools are released, no additional non-ASCII >> documents outside of RFC 8187 and the PRECIS cluster will be published >> until the new format tools are in production. >> ... > > Understood. > > Now what does this mean for drafts being written right now, and which > are not expected to be ready for publication in the next, let's say, > 12 months? Can we start submitting I-Ds with non-ASCII characters > right now (without getting stopped by id-nits...)? That's an excellent question. I think this is something to discuss with both the IESG and the Tools Team, though I am fairly confident that "right now" isn't possible. An idnits update is one of the tools contracted for, and is not yet complete (see the expected timeline here: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/FormatToolsPlan). Also, we've seen that the datatracker isn't rendering non-ASCII characters correctly in the PDF automatically generated from RFC 8187 (https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2370). So, there is still some work to do before this will all work. -Heather > > Best regards, Julian > > (*) with the possible exception of the BOM :-) > _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Fri Sep 22 10:14:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B332134557 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gefgiq2tPMtL for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5DBE13455C for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1960B820D1; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1567B820D1; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4l0btBz4Txm8; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB143B820D0; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.116.77]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MIu7d-1dxNTL238T-002YqH; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:14:14 +0200 To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , ietf@ietf.org, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org References: <09b0ed8b-c47a-83c3-9174-cce990bdb145@rfc-editor.org> <69edbf4c-abd0-27ac-fa23-ac1b93180698@gmx.de> <4c9d1cb1-8776-4ee9-3dd3-f1902f09753b@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <6f372c7e-68de-85ea-b5f4-81df26bf5a92@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:14:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4c9d1cb1-8776-4ee9-3dd3-f1902f09753b@rfc-editor.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zGLAVaFWCkxaeUQT06HRSkKsmvpZVvJYvPqQpuUaIgAQmgJrq0K nvUSmCf8sHVV0q8dTs5F1hoXM9FBpdu0HvRLLmwG5pSV4LXaxnBBxyi6LjPhgJsNGbJGuaq /+LHNYocfwI85pLhyHC95Su8dn1MHn/ML0CJlruTFZKiA1eWQTfT/0ltuRa+8IwRR7J5kPa DfdIMmsvGhoeo8+K3M+yw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:742glXZ3EuM=:MvyJzQmrhq8jTp35MDBgJO HkF1pk3HncEDW2IpvAsGLkh8INttlVHQxpuIfJzzzCNlrfH6uvWkVSxjsZ4wNwJHSQf1UKLmJ AXyZrBb2MFDu7aBEqDD1E040nGcG4iZ1e/N3HF6X02P/MJYQSq9WpnWUOvcon2GIbiryzStzw lz+edLwbABZRkAdxLn386QIb35/Y0L+X6wM3LCfq99QZw57mMOZdm80UTZYc2oJ7Jkuex4v9h a8BhJFGOi0F+EAa/AKlQLXmLRSvMbStsEdBSQd4DXltLm4cGedykzYr5mBvzZLw/p1UVVVo6F o8GQnA6ed+tRHHEGMPWwrX4KTzWdtG0cy0Jq6qVxhqBxn8rZcppvV8O8y8/lmK8GKAJ5jPvt1 Zc/2axuAq7sLrJXG8goHF8VaRKWFeamUIfGcE05pYv6RuDbTmE7KttpbS4YBIxgVrO+gO1sHh p1y+HcoURfZBCcZ9mnnEn0G5P9TU/gHxUfVBGtUZytD9qlMJAhQ8F+TNG05KirusfHJ8xYIzp zuE/Il/OKs+fJXsPlzcyn8UNP3JBxX9BKTHANRkMgN4GyACKx+DDLwGg0TLHwq9nJ0k0v1DF3 TR+UXgMHQ9CnBTI/oOhtnWYef0nxfXBQrA/1PsD8Hkiu4+4NrTx3Q8CchmeMsnJqJLq+kWSbY X3xiUnwjEx4r1gVr5xzrayx6cbEVlGv7xr/OYMRyNfTuIdljD1Abi0/jM8G0R+YfaFRGE3+Ke 0CXOC4HoA3KdJ9aV/QlDGz+k/1VSdqrBCoURuT9PSOSVhCVDdcAj8PWCPHKrJHHw7ARc2Zgmn nSNvrbCDbjZ7mxt54cVqhN0++S6rGteEXqlI0iJyaiyY5a/Jtg= Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RFC Series publishes first RFC with non-ASCII characters X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-09-22 18:54, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > On 9/22/17 5:51 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> On 2017-09-14 23:07, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >>> ... >>> The RPC and the Tools Team has identified several areas that need to be >>> modified to support these characters. Some of those areas will >>> ultimately be handled with the new format tools; others have been >>> modified as part of the more general work to prepare for the new RFC >>> format. For the documents being used to test the toolchain, a >>> significant amount of manual processing is required to publish the >>> RFCs with non-ASCII characters in the final text. In order to keep >>> ... >> >> Out of curiosity: as the current version of xml2rfc produces the UTF-8 >> plain text just fine (*), what additional processing are you referring >> to? > > There are the manual checks to determine if everything renders exactly > as expected. There are a number of discussions as we learn how to deal Ok. > with half- and full-width characters in the same document, and try to > determine the best path forward to make such characters in tables to > line up properly. There are even more discussions as we learn more about Seriously: don't bother. > invisible space characters outside of the ASCII realm and try to > understand if those are something we need to write scripts to identify. If this is understood to be a problem, let's have a script that checks for these characters. > xml2rfc is just one component of getting these documents published. > ... >> Understood. >> >> Now what does this mean for drafts being written right now, and which >> are not expected to be ready for publication in the next, let's say, >> 12 months? Can we start submitting I-Ds with non-ASCII characters >> right now (without getting stopped by id-nits...)? > > That's an excellent question. I think this is something to discuss with > both the IESG and the Tools Team, though I am fairly confident that > "right now" isn't possible. An idnits update is one of the tools > contracted for, and is not yet complete (see the expected timeline here: > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/FormatToolsPlan). Also, Well, idnits s just advisory. All it can block is automatic submission. (I wish it did not). > we've seen that the datatracker isn't rendering non-ASCII characters > correctly in the PDF automatically generated from RFC 8187 > (https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2370). So, there is > still some work to do before this will all work. Looking at the PDF linked from the datatracker (), I don't see a problem. That said: I don't think that a minor bug in a conversion tool for a supplemental output format is sufficient reason to block progress... 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" Hi Heather: There is no way to go from a search: e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=7919 To a specific erratum: e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4908 Could I request that the erratum ID be turned into a link? The format I get is a little odd: small: Found 1 record. huge: Status: Reported (1) large: RFC 7919, "Negotiated Finite Field Diffie-Hellman Ephemeral Parameters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)", August 2016 small: Source of RFC: tls (sec) small: Errata ID: 4908 medium: Status: Reported medium: Type: Technical small: Reported By: Martin Thomson small: Date Reported: 2017-01-16 I don't know why "Status: Reported (1)" appears so prominently. It could be removed. And the metadata is inconsistently formatted. I'd suggest: small: Found 1 record. large:Errata ID: 4908 <- link medium: RFC 7919, "Negotiated Finite Field Diffie-Hellman Ephemeral Parameters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)", August 2016 small: Source of RFC: tls (sec) <- keep the existing links small: Status: Reported <- bold small: Type: Technical <- bold small: Reported By: Martin Thomson small: Date Reported: 2017-01-16 At the same time, I'd request that you change the stylesheet to include pre { overflow-x: auto; } rather than pre { overflow: scroll; overflow-y: hidden; } On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > On 3/11/17 5:55 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> : >> >>> 4.8.6.5. Referencing Errata >>> >>> The following format is required when a reference to an erratum >>> report is necessary: >>> >>> [ErrNumber] RFC Errata, Erratum ID number, RFC number, . >>> >>> [Err1912] RFC Errata, Erratum ID 1912, RFC 2978, xxx. >> >> In V3, we'd format that as: >> >>> >>> >>> Errata ID 1912 >>> RFC Errata >>> >>> >>> >> >> Observations: >> >> 1) That makes it look like this references actually RFC 2978, so the >> seriesInfo element is very misleading. >> >> 2) No date is specified. >> >> Proposal: >> >> > target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=1912"> >> >> RFC 2978 Erratum 1912 >> RFC Errata >> >> >> >> >> >> Giving: >> >> [Err1912] RFC Errata, RFC 2978 Erratum 1912, RFC Errata 1912, October >> 2009, >> >> a) This make seriesInfo actually meaningful. >> >> b) The URI of course should be aligned with what the future format is; >> for instance . >> >> c) >> >> allows us to have an unquoted title, but I'd like to question whether we >> *really* need a special case here. >> >> Best regards, Julian >> > > Hello all, > > The effort to make better, stable errata URLs is done. The format of the > URL is: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid#### > > (e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4920) > > Note that for the concatenated records (the "Full Records" in a search > on the RFC Editor website) those remain URL search strings. > > I will be adjusting the Style Guide, and the RPC will manage the > references as needed for documents in our queue. > > Please let me know if you have any questions! > Heather > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Mon Sep 25 06:56:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35E113431E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wOzXX-XmcR0x for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 427B1134318 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31226B81110; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E38B81110 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPm9WQH8yKZD for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CEE5B8110E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2341C3F5C; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jkJF4JTbHcIl; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (c-73-181-135-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.181.135.61]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 246201C3F5A; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Martin Thomson References: <148916689952.6827.6792653811413720687.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <383fa41c-e289-8045-7c1f-fcdcd8cc8445@rfc-editor.org> <291ffdb4-36b0-691b-498e-9eaaa2f9a239@gmx.de> <47e064ca-495e-9665-dfb2-8a6cc07a6b55@rfc-editor.org> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: <0c603d79-009a-c611-14dc-e824ee22bbbd@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:56:36 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Errata Reference Format X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" Hi Martin, Ack. I'll take this to the RPC and we'll see what we can do. -Heather On 9/24/17 6:32 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > Hi Heather: > > There is no way to go from a search: > e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=7919 > > To a specific erratum: > e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4908 > > Could I request that the erratum ID be turned into a link? > > The format I get is a little odd: > > small: Found 1 record. > huge: Status: Reported (1) > large: RFC 7919, "Negotiated Finite Field Diffie-Hellman Ephemeral > Parameters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)", August 2016 > small: Source of RFC: tls (sec) > small: Errata ID: 4908 > medium: Status: Reported > medium: Type: Technical > small: Reported By: Martin Thomson > small: Date Reported: 2017-01-16 > > I don't know why "Status: Reported (1)" appears so prominently. It > could be removed. And the metadata is inconsistently formatted. I'd > suggest: > > small: Found 1 record. > large:Errata ID: 4908 <- link > medium: RFC 7919, "Negotiated Finite Field Diffie-Hellman Ephemeral > Parameters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)", August 2016 > small: Source of RFC: tls (sec) <- keep the existing links > small: Status: Reported <- bold > small: Type: Technical <- bold > small: Reported By: Martin Thomson > small: Date Reported: 2017-01-16 > > At the same time, I'd request that you change the stylesheet to > include pre { overflow-x: auto; } rather than pre { overflow: scroll; > overflow-y: hidden; } > > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) > wrote: >> On 3/11/17 5:55 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> : >>> >>>> 4.8.6.5. Referencing Errata >>>> >>>> The following format is required when a reference to an erratum >>>> report is necessary: >>>> >>>> [ErrNumber] RFC Errata, Erratum ID number, RFC number, . >>>> >>>> [Err1912] RFC Errata, Erratum ID 1912, RFC 2978, xxx. >>> In V3, we'd format that as: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Errata ID 1912 >>>> RFC Errata >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Observations: >>> >>> 1) That makes it look like this references actually RFC 2978, so the >>> seriesInfo element is very misleading. >>> >>> 2) No date is specified. >>> >>> Proposal: >>> >>> >> target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=1912"> >>> >>> RFC 2978 Erratum 1912 >>> RFC Errata >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Giving: >>> >>> [Err1912] RFC Errata, RFC 2978 Erratum 1912, RFC Errata 1912, October >>> 2009, >>> >>> a) This make seriesInfo actually meaningful. >>> >>> b) The URI of course should be aligned with what the future format is; >>> for instance . >>> >>> c) >>> >>> allows us to have an unquoted title, but I'd like to question whether we >>> *really* need a special case here. >>> >>> Best regards, Julian >>> >> Hello all, >> >> The effort to make better, stable errata URLs is done. The format of the >> URL is: >> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid#### >> >> (e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4920) >> >> Note that for the concatenated records (the "Full Records" in a search >> on the RFC Editor website) those remain URL search strings. >> >> I will be adjusting the Style Guide, and the RPC will manage the >> references as needed for documents in our queue. >> >> Please let me know if you have any questions! >> Heather >> _______________________________________________ >> rfc-interest mailing list >> rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Tue Sep 26 12:30:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085BD1330B2 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:30:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9i5Ls8tl42cs for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77DD8134319 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27251B81AF8; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D95B81AF8 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Authentication-Results: rfcpa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sp8WNNpuUXKT for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x22c.google.com (mail-pg0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22c]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29C16B81AF7 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id b11so6448083pgn.12 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A1JzcA1L8BeC+0WAj0t1QV7ewbRkFIi+W4hkelUH/FU=; b=RqW6oLuN3C5OpeJ+GxbomhIYiNrKeDJ52Dq7pmUNHXbrDIj3/UT7RgRDoiV4cZLT0U J2zQP2Y/8GWlf/gHNLj6bO9JrmuUbWnspMcnJ/F2yXlCTy11vpKf0t/FuIYfXC+jD08F gfX34daxnZLipXoQec/gk1edg2g2RV2xG0t2xXO2/99hnag6OM7biaPO64wEeYSxPJLI KWS5/dBiIr0ZNWYmvl+eWfAKjfHKsK81TJQlMZVGbproIlgh7zvf72r1ybdH/9gvp9Gi bXLsYvwBwBbLFnqdFJBI+by361bWaq7Awwed158JgBKgqr2RwRmlVJLLguoSu4iykHQc cfTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A1JzcA1L8BeC+0WAj0t1QV7ewbRkFIi+W4hkelUH/FU=; b=V1njrHQ49emPu8BQZKRE1j9I3zEGt7PV8BdPERLE+zz4LdpLjnUAJXYJ5oq6AyDO5R FPKd53hKkqUFOZLgtJj96qtWO4CLp1aB+3tqCW+wZ1+IkXvsvG7hEkU5EpKg9/jjCxZd orpGGjoCSJ/l2Lyb5V/TwHNcpu0FSDp6DBLpmbdtoOLehq1rBcVYHaUxQvXQMcUqe5D3 uQp63R44gYbi66wbsVv5kKu4vuMWcRwJMqXFuwd3UZKcC45c9qJjhGUXNxyeHHclGxjG WiRojYE5wQSEorDJCzItHpdfwwmW7n7v1wLQNqsqlfLpXedyRcK6pvRy7uEi1EJxJUsn Qogw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhwIZ94Ts/Xje3yWtEaWcQFnjNnxHagbP/XUP+4E2DgtnRHN50m KNzKRIyPe4prjy7mPWbCwTGTSA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDav+4M+6UzjVH4JqroPeCgldWSTDtUY8/U/qEIjFBM5l8lkDMeocGBwr7kwYHgPmBZhss8Fg== X-Received: by 10.99.183.67 with SMTP id w3mr11953577pgt.245.1506454202898; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:7d76:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? 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Regards Brian _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Tue Sep 26 13:33:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9040613445C for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nQAJ1ijEhrxM for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DE6B134457 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF39B80E69; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:33:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B3FB80E69 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:33:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id urciQBT9K12j for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72FC6B80E68 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:33:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v8QKXVJ8024971; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.20.10.9] (ip-109-45-2-182.web.vodafone.de [109.45.2.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3y1t2M1hvmzDLTM; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <7f679e5c-d0b7-f984-ca26-4f471fb20624@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:33:29 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 528150809.433351-1a6a18ec5ca1b5c4b1c6c35d1dfc65a7 Message-Id: References: <7f679e5c-d0b7-f984-ca26-4f471fb20624@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Bug in RFC Search page... 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X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" What terminology do you propose ASCII text -> plain-text UTF-8 text -> plain-text unicode HTML ASCII -> HTML HTML UTF-8 -> HTML unicode ... ? (as a reminder because i didn't get any response, i would love to see an RF= C header field indicating the format of the document... ;-) On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:33:29PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Sep 26, 2017, at 21:30, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > = > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/search/rfc_search_detail.php?rfc=3D8187&pubs= tatus%5B%5D=3DAny&pub_date_type=3Dany > > = > > This returns a result mentioning an "ASCII" version of the RFC. There i= s no ASCII > > version of RFC 8187. > = > I think we just need to stop calling plain-text ASCII. > = > (Note that the HTML versions of many documents are ASCII.) > = > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten > = > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Tue Sep 26 13:50:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0BB132153 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:50:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5ER_YYpmg2B for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B65E4134306 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5605FB812BF; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998B6B812BF for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXCf-91zsnNr for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5D1DB812BE for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v8QKnwo3006787; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.20.10.9] (ip-109-45-2-182.web.vodafone.de [109.45.2.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3y1tPL2KV8zDLTS; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20170926204142.GK31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:49:56 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 528151796.289781-3245dde26862781ebae60d8a67e6f5ae Message-Id: <399BC245-AA68-44D8-A59B-623FEA412BB5@tzi.org> References: <7f679e5c-d0b7-f984-ca26-4f471fb20624@gmail.com> <20170926204142.GK31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Bug in RFC Search page... 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X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:49:56PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > = > > On Sep 26, 2017, at 22:41, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > = > > What terminology do you propose > > = > > ASCII text -> plain-text > > UTF-8 text -> plain-text unicode > = > Well, both are plain-text, and both are unicode. > Plain-text-beyond-ascii would be more like it for the second, but why cal= l that out. There is a lot of tool chains out there that will not render UTF-8 correctl= y, therefore it is IMHO extremely viable to have a clear indication of the minimum toolchain features required to render a document correctly (in the = first page header of an RFC wold be great). Also: As long as the "minimum rendering" features of documents are not expl= icitly noted in human readable form anywhere, we do not need to define a terminolo= gy. > (And no, we don???t need a third category Plain-text-beyond-the-basic-mul= tilingual-plane, or Plain-text-with-astral for short.) Not sure what you are referring to "More UTF-8 characters than possible wit= h iso8859" ? Given how we should not publish text-only documents other than ascii or UTF= -8, i think we can happily ignore those legacy options. > > HTML ASCII -> HTML > > HTML UTF-8 -> HTML unicode > = > I don???t think that distinction ever needs to be made, because HTML embe= ds metadata about its charset, and there are no real interop problems when = you do that. Given how browsers are quite inconsistent in the characer sets they load, i= t would be nice to have explicit indication of the character sets required = to render a document. I've seen PDF documents where i had to go to page 100= before some crucial text was not rendered because it used some character s= et not available to me. > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%E1%BA%9E Oh, the innovation... --- tte@cs.fau.de _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Tue Sep 26 15:17:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D303C13306F for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.713 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.713 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FAKE_REPLY_C=1.486, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFugXO_v6X6Q for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 943EC1344B2 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27447B818F9; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1A2B818F9 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qez99ZkpnvL2 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A57C3B818F8 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D5D58C4AF; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 00:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 306DEB0CCE3; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 00:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 00:17:10 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Message-ID: <20170926221710.GA19683@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Bug in RFC Search page... X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:49:56PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > = > > On Sep 26, 2017, at 22:41, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > = > > What terminology do you propose > > = > > ASCII text -> plain-text > > UTF-8 text -> plain-text unicode > = > Well, both are plain-text, and both are unicode. > Plain-text-beyond-ascii would be more like it for the second, but why cal= l that out. There is a lot of tool chains out there that will not render UTF-8 correctl= y, therefore it is IMHO extremely viable to have a clear indication of the minimum toolchain features required to render a document correctly (in the = first page header of an RFC wold be great). Also: As long as the "minimum rendering" features of documents are not expl= icitly noted in human readable form anywhere, we do not need to define a terminolo= gy. > (And no, we don???t need a third category Plain-text-beyond-the-basic-mul= tilingual-plane, or Plain-text-with-astral for short.) Not sure what you are referring to "More UTF-8 characters than possible wit= h iso8859" ? Given how we should not publish text-only documents other than ascii or UTF= -8, i think we can happily ignore those legacy options. > > HTML ASCII -> HTML > > HTML UTF-8 -> HTML unicode > = > I don???t think that distinction ever needs to be made, because HTML embe= ds metadata about its charset, and there are no real interop problems when = you do that. Given how browsers are quite inconsistent in the characer sets they load, i= t would be nice to have explicit indication of the character sets required = to render a document. I've seen PDF documents where i had to go to page 100= before some crucial text was not rendered because it used some character s= et not available to me. > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%E1%BA%9E Oh, the innovation... tte@cs.fau.de _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Tue Sep 26 15:32:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A285134493 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.088 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.088 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AJkIVZzxK1i2 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC2FA134499 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D556B8198A; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A068B8198A for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Authentication-Results: rfcpa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wF5S1qFTSP4K for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6727AB81988 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id g18so4558440itg.5 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=vGjTIo9/RPuNutlvZCkbpfyi2HpIrd7a8awiVbOs/tk=; b=cmh3ciRPYgZilWlKTxqjK63k5G867rQLkcOKmnzohPnYmHm8mw31oT29WMHA+PfQZ5 ruG5fdid9OFfma5A+STsB7DGHlX3a10M2fULOU9w3J+eNKT1ACKaLBmfmnOTnMem5MCS bH6FEXyk/SfQyNu9eQTopERt9AUVmmI3hU7NzsQZbplLmXMJz32D9C6Z4SPC2t78dOey yieRUvEv9m4j8/h+9L6B4O+kzrh6sVa5MUSw8ms2L+bVHCWVQRraN2kg/km0yoV4H8TM +jSpTkGO+fvtbQVGbl1njjjTPdLwkxM9v2vkRWm4tLfTko+UGPR83ii9qjEWuMkVYeJ6 zSNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vGjTIo9/RPuNutlvZCkbpfyi2HpIrd7a8awiVbOs/tk=; b=K6+G4niRipVDl9fNzI9El+YZkPuog6xUQJNJIxhlrPK/X1RfmiWpWbZtOgAGQf27Ks 1xHH26Cgs4KGwrXjrrH2LIhhiDx6UYjIH0o4pAXymejHUTV8C3pMmEJnKh9IPT17oMPx dsMHyYr43OSTez9KderJkURG+4+OvuZ9EoXE8Q1UCHJt/NOuOIKoigF5c9IOj5+TwQ0y 6SawJRpc5ao5yr/j0kJsdZN5OZJgP3AjaTxAFy2KamlYELAyALTHXBGA89GyYP6TXSJE 1X/uxFdANNZJreRyNWID/X/deplMviJnvGxCfFQ8ifpDyKZbkZpTj3x7w54f1T+syNeO jKaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUiuyykta7bv5T5D2OhKODefPoeAkXxQICDODnPGsty5mHEnfFBm nhHkRBWVomgJuU0Oe48aktD3plKRVmLWfSXM3bM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDbtC1DAuUyGNoAzw90gFybOVN4J2DAG+4wlDV7jJPRcgAfkIHQXg+T4CrRUX8vc04a5bGE9wRR2nSQJKnlngE= X-Received: by 10.36.199.7 with SMTP id t7mr8438124itg.65.1506465136645; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:32:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.138.137 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.138.137 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:32:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170926215743.GM31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <7f679e5c-d0b7-f984-ca26-4f471fb20624@gmail.com> <20170926204142.GK31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <399BC245-AA68-44D8-A59B-623FEA412BB5@tzi.org> <20170926215743.GM31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Matthew Kerwin Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:32:15 +1000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZUygu1Z85ODy1cbK9Y9J6IWcNBM Message-ID: To: Toerless Eckert Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Bug in RFC Search page... X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8424176921475106346==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" --===============8424176921475106346== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c03391e561b9a055a1f3fbd" --94eb2c03391e561b9a055a1f3fbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27 Sep. 2017 07:58, "Toerless Eckert" wrote: On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:49:56PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > (And no, we don???t need a third category Plain-text-beyond-the-basic-mul= tilingual-plane, or Plain-text-with-astral for short.) Not sure what you are referring to "More UTF-8 characters than possible with iso8859" ? Given how we should not publish text-only documents other than ascii or UTF-8, i think we can happily ignore those legacy options. Emoji are astral codepoints, aren't they? =F0=9F=A4=9E=F0=9F=8F=BB > > HTML ASCII -> HTML > > HTML UTF-8 -> HTML unicode > > I don???t think that distinction ever needs to be made, because HTML embeds metadata about its charset, and there are no real interop problems when you do that. Given how browsers are quite inconsistent in the characer sets they load, it would be nice to have explicit indication of the character sets required to render a document. I've seen PDF documents where i had to go to page 100 before some crucial text was not rendered because it used some character set not available to me. If you mean font support (I'm not going to trip myself up over the difference between character sets and encodings and all that, but I'm pretty sure 'Unicode' has you covered for characters/codepoints) that's a mostly-solved problem in the modern web, with webfonts and the like. So the useful words to put in the table would be basic document types (PDF/text/HTML). We can bicker over what "text" means WRT UTF-8 elsewhere. Cheers --=20 Matthew Kerwin --94eb2c03391e561b9a055a1f3fbd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 27 Sep. 2017 07:58, "Toerless Eckert" <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 a= t 10:49:56PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:

> (And no, we don???t need a third category Plain-text-beyond-the-basic-= multilingual-plane, or Plain-text-with-astral for short.)

Not sure what you are referring to "More UTF-8 characters than possibl= e with iso8859" ?
Given how we should not publish text-only documents other than ascii or UTF= -8, i think we can happily
ignore those legacy options.

Emoji are astral codepoints, aren't t= hey? =F0=9F=A4=9E=F0=9F=8F=BB


> > HTML ASCII -> HTML
> > HTML UTF-8 -> HTML unicode
>
> I don???t think that distinction ever needs to be made, because = HTML embeds metadata about its charset, and there are no real interop probl= ems when you do that.

Given how browsers are quite inconsistent in the characer sets they load, i= t would be nice to have explicit indication of the character sets required = to render a document. I've seen PDF documents where i had to go to page= 100 before some crucial text was not rendered because it used some charact= er set not available to me.

If you mean font support (I'm not goin= g to trip myself up over the difference between character sets and encoding= s and all that, but I'm pretty sure 'Unicode' has you covered f= or characters/codepoints) that's a mostly-solved problem in the modern = web, with webfonts and the like.

So the useful words to put in the table would be basic document t= ypes (PDF/text/HTML). We can bicker over what "text" means WRT UT= F-8 elsewhere.

Cheers
--=C2=A0
Matthew Kerwin=C2=A0
--94eb2c03391e561b9a055a1f3fbd-- --===============8424176921475106346== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest --===============8424176921475106346==-- From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Tue Sep 26 16:47:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3F01344C0 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6-KWlm9LG0x for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DB8A134499 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CE9B80C96; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B80B80C96 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PrpoR0Cm7jbg for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91A9AB80C94 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F0958C4AF; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 01:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id C6713B0CCD5; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 01:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 01:47:40 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Matthew Kerwin Message-ID: <20170926234740.GR31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <7f679e5c-d0b7-f984-ca26-4f471fb20624@gmail.com> <20170926204142.GK31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <399BC245-AA68-44D8-A59B-623FEA412BB5@tzi.org> <20170926215743.GM31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Bug in RFC Search page... X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 08:32:15AM +1000, Matthew Kerwin wrote: > Emoji are astral codepoints, aren't they? ???????? Thanks! > If you mean font support (I'm not going to trip myself up over the > difference between character sets and encodings and all that, but I'm > pretty sure 'Unicode' has you covered for characters/codepoints) that's a > mostly-solved problem in the modern web, with webfonts and the like. Sure, sitting in an airplane, trying to read a document and getting a pop-up window to go on the internet, create i think an apple-id to be able to download some asian character set (if i remember it correctly). > So the useful words to put in the table would be basic document types > (PDF/text/HTML). We can bicker over what "text" means WRT UTF-8 elsewhere. I definitely would like to have an indication if it's "more than ASCII" text (eg: foreign characters included). 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X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2083379180020391709==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" --===============2083379180020391709== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11421ba07a2882055a20ed4d" --001a11421ba07a2882055a20ed4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27 September 2017 at 09:47, Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 08:32:15AM +1000, Matthew Kerwin wrote: > > Emoji are astral codepoints, aren't they? ???????? > > Thanks! > > > If you mean font support (I'm not going to trip myself up over the > > difference between character sets and encodings and all that, but I'm > > pretty sure 'Unicode' has you covered for characters/codepoints) that's= a > > mostly-solved problem in the modern web, with webfonts and the like. > > Sure, sitting in an airplane, trying to read a document and getting a > pop-up window to go on the internet, create i think an apple-id to > be able to download some asian character set (if i remember it correctly)= . > > =E2=80=8BI don't know about PDFs, but if you download the HTML version of a= page there's usually an option to download all the linked resources (images, CSS, etc.) at the same time, so it should continue to work offline. Although, I don't know if that includes fonts linked from CSS.=E2=80=8B > > So the useful words to put in the table would be basic document types > > (PDF/text/HTML). We can bicker over what "text" means WRT UTF-8 > elsewhere. > > I definitely would like to have an indication if it's "more than ASCII" > text > (eg: foreign characters included). > > =E2=80=8BSure, I can understand the need for a multidimensional "requiremen= ts for accurately viewing this resource" description. Soon enough it will have to be able to describe the basic format (PDF/HTML/plain text), the character range (7-bit ASCII, Latin-1[*], BMP, Supplementary[=E2=80=A0]), and whether= it includes embedded images. A single-word description probably isn't enough, though. Meanwhile, I figured the words in that column were basically representative of the formats described in RFC 7990 (and its antecedents.) In which case, all the rest is implied. Cheers [*] i.e. the Basic Latin + Latin-1 Supplement blocks; same as ISO-8859-1 [=E2=80=A0] Some tools still have issues with characters that don't fit in = UCS-2. There's also "includes four-byte UTF-8 sequences" which is a different thing, but has caused me issues in the past with some tools.=E2=80=8B --=20 Matthew Kerwin http://matthew.kerwin.net.au/ --001a11421ba07a2882055a20ed4d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 27 September 2017 at 09:47, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.= de> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 08:32:15AM +1000, Matthew Kerwin wrote:
> Emoji are astral codepoints, aren't they? ????????

Thanks!

> If you mean font support (I'm not going to trip myself up over the=
> difference between character sets and encodings and all that, but I= 9;m
> pretty sure 'Unicode' has you covered for characters/codepoint= s) that's a
> mostly-solved problem in the modern web, with webfonts and the like.
Sure, sitting in an airplane, trying to read a document and getting = a
pop-up window to go on the internet, create i think an apple-id to
be able to download some asian character set (if i remember it correctly).<= br>

=E2=80=8BI don't know about PDFs, but if you download the HTML version= of a page there's usually an option to download all the linked resourc= es (images, CSS, etc.) at the same time, so it should continue to work offl= ine.=C2=A0 Although, I don't know if that includes fonts linked from CS= S.=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0
> So the useful words to put in the table would be basic document types<= br> > (PDF/text/HTML). We can bicker over what "text" means WRT UT= F-8 elsewhere.

I definitely would like to have an indication if it's "more= than ASCII" text
(eg: foreign characters included).


=E2=80=8BSure, I can understa= nd the need for a multidimensional "requirements for accurately viewin= g this resource" description.=C2=A0 Soon enough it will have to be abl= e to describe the basic format (PDF/HTML/plain text), the character range (= 7-bit ASCII, Latin-1[*], BMP, Supplementary[=E2=80=A0]), and whether it inc= ludes embedded images.=C2=A0 A single-word description probably isn't e= nough, though.

Meanwhile, I figured the = words in that column were basically representative of the formats described= in RFC 7990 (and its antecedents.) =C2=A0In which case, all the rest is im= plied.

Cheers

[*] i.e. the Basic Latin + Latin-1 Supplement blocks; same as ISO-8859= -1

[=E2=80=A0] Some tools still have issue= s with characters that don't fit in UCS-2. There's also "inclu= des four-byte UTF-8 sequences" which is a different thing, but has cau= sed me issues in the past with some tools.=E2=80=8B
--
=C2=A0 Matthew Kerwin
= =C2=A0 http://m= atthew.kerwin.net.au/
--001a11421ba07a2882055a20ed4d-- --===============2083379180020391709== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest --===============2083379180020391709==-- From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Wed Sep 27 09:15:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32E8134D0A for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:15:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DstsYnWK6Zgp for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CA60134231 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1BB8121C; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:14:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F339B8121C for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n29LL_84ESSJ for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65260B8121B for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6808E58C4AF for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:15:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 5356BB0CCF6; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:15:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:15:14 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: RFC Interest Message-ID: <20170927161514.GU31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [rfc-i] Some RFC editing questions X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" Redirect to better place welcome if this iss the wrong list for these questions... Q1: Is there some recommended XML formatter for IETF draft XML (trying to unify draft from multiple authors that used various XML formattings). Q2: Is there a way to rsync the XML sources of RFCs (not of drafts) ? Thanks! 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Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HYVf_jffN_uM for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3716AB80102 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB87958C4AF; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id A7DFEB0CCF7; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:15:13 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Message-ID: <20170927171513.GW31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20170927161514.GU31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Some RFC editing questions X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 06:25:00PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Sep 27, 2017, at 18:15, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > = > > Redirect to better place welcome if this iss the wrong list for these q= uestions... > > = > > Q1: Is there some recommended XML formatter for IETF draft XML (trying = to unify draft > > from multiple authors that used various XML formattings). > = > Don???t do that if the sources are under version control (which they shou= ld be in 2017). The sources are in a git. I would just like to clean the formatting of the = XML source. Obviously this would be a separate commit so that one isn't mixing textual = changes with XML formatting changes in a single commit. > xmllint ??????format is the canonical formatter for XML. > = > But preferably don???t do that. > = > (The tendency of XML to deteriorate its source formatting is one of the r= easons collaborative editing works so much better in markdown. Sure, there= is still a tendency to reformat paragraphs in markdown source, but it seem= s easier for markdown to just not do it.) What do you mean with markdown ? Using an editor that already produces some= standard format XML output ? > > Q2: Is there a way to rsync the XML sources of RFCs (not of drafts) ? > = > I don???t think these are available. > (Of course, people like Julian and me have a stash of these from the AUTH= 48 stage. > But at least my stash is not nearly complete.) > Note that, when I last looked, the actual publishing pipeline went from R= FCXML to nroff (where a few final tweaks are made) to txt. > So there may not be a piece of XML that describes an RFC, even if that RF= C was generated from XML. Ok., that explains why my seearches went nowhere. So i have to stick using = the latest draft versions XML to copy& paste stuff. I was primarily trying to find some good SVG examples in RFCs to see if it makes sense to upgrade myself out of ascii art. > Henrik now has a tool to up-convert from .txt to .xml. Nice. URL ? > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Wed Sep 27 10:28:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E5B134E90 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIhc-aForPhF for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EF5B134E98 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1545FB80A71; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:27:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A3FB80A71 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:27:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kc4AdSxJDrfb for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9461FB80A6C for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.64.224]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lp3Lw-1dTOwx11VM-00euLL; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:27:55 +0200 To: Toerless Eckert , Carsten Bormann References: <20170927161514.GU31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20170927171513.GW31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <7c13ea8c-852c-f082-61e5-116e2c2a6348@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:27:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170927171513.GW31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:vXVvtaUcYyIMBm5S7LB3pC+UNVYuNu2JeAC+EOA1XqLMA1e3cmY GNjNBacUFfcqAfgt8JCad7P8NavqC8BI0h8jDjBdj3jzA3gRPeEB5bIIiVeUUf7fX3YdfUa 1OAjKwf7dESt+lQPGuoKObTgb7k5z4kUCWX1GsDpLNrOLA6KKL1qEUp+lfcDsT2IFzTUs61 kz+3vZHuX4LL0ZWEwm+iA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:TkI8rbVGn1Q=:X58mzXFT7lHIniqSfTCncL cnnbrEwi0RbI4RD7pQlVTnR5gXGhaLslxNQsPh6RsdnXkTioRprFv4oKYYoQwyNYXClMzwAu5 IRPGzn5f5/xA8QCeM14qgUpSW4hpjMUp+K9DoFjbFBgE/NokKG1SGI7u4nPIN9ojjL1WbxI8Z 9aoJF8oE9R6rXx2XWtclsEuy/BLJJXCumBVnZbXh5L4GmIDTSd4r1vqhTGSaDxIk5dVMdqvRL J64/gUvN6ibLgo5fPN51ip26Eoiwe7SrPSmjzyueWqMz3iNpPfTwKUXCYAVxfu6d+V1TkRzPy pXBI0vQhj0ySv+TFjt/JzuF9cS/Tm6pTkMvGtvM1z7boE7N6diFC1cgL126JcW4/Am0SNj9xn R4sWRoTLY/BmVWP8m1FuMe85Miy7UnSJ+WHWU2xjt44SPdMQL8weTvUFMGdTB5eyqbSBSZaPa 954W2/BAr3ILrD8pcfcyE25XdTUHKp+4A1B/AzRRgN6CVQfFWfGygRZxo8Vv8SSCE+zhhJ4pg QBnio1UAZ1K28FJ3UXUNE8l1TIv4c12LMweHy1LZQjpYZNCjQTXGPJ+q2gIvjpI8x+1o/6YsS oXaaS9Fx71sdB5y4BmQeFaWZrf+cJ6vZPFOIkxc2eMHbdi+m4/egV+PZszyo3m2Vl8gnpkZxv 9erik0LcflFNeqWXrHMi0wIVp1HPMlF+c2LZFrvKmuZobGaG+2hbZ+/QLMVTQ0owErQJbkUEP VUdcYYXwtvuwmNSxQndRQNdbJzrAgI1LV/77fAFqe6WXLWHeUiP6p643WrLJO1P9tfEfYx/oC YF5I99YrItiTQFOsCt5RaG7wFOI+AX3/9kQjZh3aG0GWCoD60Q= Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Some RFC editing questions X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-09-27 19:15, Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 06:25:00PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> On Sep 27, 2017, at 18:15, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>> >>> Redirect to better place welcome if this iss the wrong list for these questions... >>> >>> Q1: Is there some recommended XML formatter for IETF draft XML (trying to unify draft >>> from multiple authors that used various XML formattings). >> >> Don???t do that if the sources are under version control (which they should be in 2017). > > The sources are in a git. I would just like to clean the formatting of the XML source. > Obviously this would be a separate commit so that one isn't mixing textual changes > with XML formatting changes in a single commit. Carsten's poibt being that this can be problematic if multiple people edit, and do not agree on the formatting. >> xmllint ??????format is the canonical formatter for XML. >> >> But preferably don???t do that. >> >> (The tendency of XML to deteriorate its source formatting is one of the reasons collaborative editing works so much better in markdown. Sure, there is still a tendency to reformat paragraphs in markdown source, but it seems easier for markdown to just not do it.) > > What do you mean with markdown ? Using an editor that already produces some standard format XML output ? No. See . >>> Q2: Is there a way to rsync the XML sources of RFCs (not of drafts) ? >> >> I don???t think these are available. >> (Of course, people like Julian and me have a stash of these from the AUTH48 stage. >> But at least my stash is not nearly complete.) >> Note that, when I last looked, the actual publishing pipeline went from RFCXML to nroff (where a few final tweaks are made) to txt. >> So there may not be a piece of XML that describes an RFC, even if that RFC was generated from XML. > > Ok., that explains why my seearches went nowhere. So i have to stick using the > latest draft versions XML to copy& paste stuff. I was primarily trying to Is there a specific RFC for which you need the XML? You can always ask the RFC Editor for a copy. > find some good SVG examples in RFCs to see if it makes sense to upgrade > myself out of ascii art. We don't have RFCs with SVG art yet. >> Henrik now has a tool to up-convert from .txt to .xml. > > Nice. URL ? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 07:27:55PM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote: > Carsten's poibt being that this can be problematic if multiple > people edit, and do not agree on the formatting. Ok. > >What do you mean with markdown ? Using an editor that already produces some standard format XML output ? > > No. See . *sigh* ok. Looks nice, but i am not sure if i want to learn yet another markup language right now. Or persuade collaborators of it. I wrote my own markup converter at the end of the 80th to create framemaker output and lived through a lot of wiki markups, so i am a bit disillusioned about ever more variations that won't survive at least a decade. Let me know when kramdown is older than a decade and i may give it a try. > >find some good SVG examples in RFCs to see if it makes sense to upgrade > >myself out of ascii art. > > We don't have RFCs with SVG art yet. Ah, too bad. But the toolchains support it now, eg: one could include SVG into an XML draft and get it published and the eg: PDF/HDML would include it ? E.g.: if the toolchain is ready, i guess i would start giving SVG a try in so far as creating picture slides for meeting presentations with SVG, and then later putting them into drafts. WOuld be a big step forward from all tht throwaway PPT work these days for meetings. > >>Henrik now has a tool to up-convert from .txt to .xml. > > > >Nice. URL ? > > Thanks & cheers Toerless > > Best regards, Julian > > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest -- --- tte@cs.fau.de _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Wed Sep 27 10:57:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D36F134ECA for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kj2EwC9s5NFm for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09980134E9A for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8948B80DCC; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:56:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03432B80DCD for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:56:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w3eu6TgHmgTp for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EE18B80DCB for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.64.224]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5tU1-1d8DQQ40Wv-00xp84; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:57:08 +0200 To: Toerless Eckert References: <20170927161514.GU31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20170927171513.GW31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <7c13ea8c-852c-f082-61e5-116e2c2a6348@gmx.de> <20170927174934.GX31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <2800f76c-00b9-cbf3-d13d-cda056402b15@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:57:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170927174934.GX31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:W/mHM1kQjb5+4M+GvlWQvO5idZ7HSKDCxucpaTTbAax/RQnMaB6 UEzMS8BY+VYTND3VDgWYEIve1Mh4N67ypZg0bK/vmPFtjMVzCEWP0DH/cvEfvHYAbm3vUls A13i8DooAD61XiZilZ/Kc2rJb+vcwdboIykqCFOpy7jzE1VHOuXbht+bFq9R3gdJZPCiB6r oCEGNPPwMLKl43S7xAJmw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:GXudxxdbnYE=:j1yY2vFHwv7TMlNQZ4n6db 7MEy1Dcd+FhCjgmEGWLML5cPoMMBv/pqdBiGtrkk2omr6r7JpO6A+V025koogwVawU8MmeMuV GsM3b+E4cUAv/CgPQkNIscspZww/U7f2r97H4CDrAxytQF7ZCGthnqcRVngReouELefyWlXtC YGut33KBzDwKayBDzaKAI7hTm1TM83XZRPyH/kxS1QXvVKmoYACgIwLjLEUDxhjuZHv27Xcdj EJDhdwU2Fn37hQ66WKonWN/jwU6McNMsERA3vq4Z/NSpZx+7Kd0UqsTGnA700bQL9bTTcFvNJ q+GEvOopFUgdtwblHpBDI+B1XSdFIIvJBinkzN76zTadHS8u9zO3KU/kbU+asJAHZmY/BL/Bt jE2reYayLlrnBNq+I1r8rCtx3JxRZ0xk0BC3QWB8tP7uTtMi+UeQtLjLsv4VxSyy+ysPIAF1m /uU/iT0uK0CnXaF9HepZdtXnb4Xf+UqQIVwUSzKjeTuzTYMY7giL9ExM0qRhJWWg7DmFzUEoA B5B9te3uYdPLy1NdnaCFcc69WSjVBFm9mnnprDRE9oRN5sEPHlmm6qLzOxNpoqULUQJZUT5nV Z3XAr6d11AQcehWx1drtM0XGRIYFq2nBWN3jbqll3Pzr3LB9MHalmFsnnVlHuke9pw3tQBa5N kZeO+DV/ytO/4eCqs5y893OjDkgSjHcnGeEXOwEvW2bcf1OBwZsWBJUsk3uGWipIzDTl7NkHs SmSGALSHFJ70lAByCKQAMgO9L5T0wDtY4cTioyEA1/NnJdPwNfNOVFqHGGdMjGJteeWH9Jc2g 8FolYhwM4V3Zk0lAukED9z77gzh1QAi9g9kxxFdGJNnv3woOsw= Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Some RFC editing questions X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-09-27 19:49, Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 07:27:55PM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Carsten's poibt being that this can be problematic if multiple >> people edit, and do not agree on the formatting. > > Ok. > >>> What do you mean with markdown ? Using an editor that already produces some standard format XML output ? >> >> No. See . > > *sigh* ok. Looks nice, but i am not sure if i want to learn yet another > markup language right now. Or persuade collaborators of it. I wrote > my own markup converter at the end of the 80th to create framemaker output > and lived through a lot of wiki markups, so i am a bit disillusioned about > ever more variations that won't survive at least a decade. Let me know > when kramdown is older than a decade and i may give it a try. I prefer XML as well. >>> find some good SVG examples in RFCs to see if it makes sense to upgrade >>> myself out of ascii art. >> >> We don't have RFCs with SVG art yet. > > Ah, too bad. But the toolchains support it now, eg: one could include > SVG into an XML draft and get it published and the eg: PDF/HDML would > include it ? The official tool chain: not yet. Alternative ones, yes, see and . > ... Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Wed Sep 27 11:04:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D64E134E63 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8Dp9CH4EyWm for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94E4D134ED1 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2D6B80E19; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:03:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC157B80E19 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:03:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iIMKsk2wFGC8 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDCC0B80E15 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E9E58C4AF; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 9C48CB0CCF8; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:04:01 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: John Levine Message-ID: <20170927180401.GY31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20170926215743.GM31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20170927175348.15593.qmail@ary.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170927175348.15593.qmail@ary.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [rfc-i] character sets, Bug in RFC Search page... X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 05:53:48PM -0000, John Levine wrote: > Those are buggy PDFs. A PDF is supposed to contain all the fonts it > uses beyond a small standard set, but there is a lot of PDF crudware > that wrongly assumes that whatever fonts it finds on the machine where > it's running will exist everywhere. I have stopped trying to really understand all those details for the last two decades, but i fear what you describe sounds like the original intention of adobe when they thought fonts embedded in PDFs could not be extracted and (illegally) be reused outside of the PDF. Once that hack happened (2 decades ago ?), the problem of licensed/payware fonts and their use has AFAIK lead to less inclusion of fonts into PDF. > >There is a lot of tool chains out there that will not render UTF-8 correctly, > >therefore it is IMHO extremely viable to have a clear indication of the > >minimum toolchain features required to render a document correctly (in the first > >page header of an RFC wold be great). > > Hey, maybe we could put a couple of bytes at the begining that say > this is a UTF-8 document. I smell a BOM joke, even though i do not even WANT TO understand that stuff and nuked that thread. There are enough people taking care of making documents more machine friendly. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: RFC Interest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" On 2017-09-25 03:32, Martin Thomson wrote: > Hi Heather: > > There is no way to go from a search: > e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=7919 > > To a specific erratum: > e.g., https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid4908 > > Could I request that the erratum ID be turned into a link? > > The format I get is a little odd: > > small: Found 1 record. > huge: Status: Reported (1) > large: RFC 7919, "Negotiated Finite Field Diffie-Hellman Ephemeral > Parameters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)", August 2016 > small: Source of RFC: tls (sec) > small: Errata ID: 4908 > medium: Status: Reported > medium: Type: Technical > small: Reported By: Martin Thomson > small: Date Reported: 2017-01-16 > > I don't know why "Status: Reported (1)" appears so prominently. It > could be removed. And the metadata is inconsistently formatted. I'd > suggest: > > small: Found 1 record. > large:Errata ID: 4908 <- link > medium: RFC 7919, "Negotiated Finite Field Diffie-Hellman Ephemeral > Parameters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)", August 2016 > small: Source of RFC: tls (sec) <- keep the existing links > small: Status: Reported <- bold > small: Type: Technical <- bold > small: Reported By: Martin Thomson > small: Date Reported: 2017-01-16 > > At the same time, I'd request that you change the stylesheet to > include pre { overflow-x: auto; } rather than pre { overflow: scroll; > overflow-y: hidden; } > ... +1 on making the HTML/CSS better. However, +1000 for making this really machine-readable, and providing the information suitable for CORS requests, so HTML versions of RFCs can dynamically pull it in. Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sat Sep 30 08:42:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rfc-interest-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51C4134290 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BlgDC_xL5-ZL for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 860A71330B1 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfcpa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47A3B81030; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:42:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E25CB80DA0 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gHg5CBS9X1Sg for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA217B80D9D for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 93809 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2017 17:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.53) by gal.iecc.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2017 17:54:10 -0000 Date: 27 Sep 2017 17:53:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20170927175348.15593.qmail@ary.lan> From: "John Levine" To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org In-Reply-To: <20170926215743.GM31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:42:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [rfc-i] character sets, Bug in RFC Search page... X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tte@cs.fau.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" In article <20170926215743.GM31007@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> you write: >Given how browsers are quite inconsistent in the characer sets they load, it would be nice to have explicit indication >of the character sets required to render a document. I've seen PDF documents where i had to go to page 100 before some >crucial text was not rendered because it used some character set not available to me. Those are buggy PDFs. A PDF is supposed to contain all the fonts it uses beyond a small standard set, but there is a lot of PDF crudware that wrongly assumes that whatever fonts it finds on the machine where it's running will exist everywhere. >There is a lot of tool chains out there that will not render UTF-8 correctly, >therefore it is IMHO extremely viable to have a clear indication of the >minimum toolchain features required to render a document correctly (in the first >page header of an RFC wold be great). Hey, maybe we could put a couple of bytes at the begining that say this is a UTF-8 document. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6847312084678812909==" Errors-To: rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org Sender: "rfc-interest" --===============6847312084678812909== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045c2a801c96cf055a6b238f" --f403045c2a801c96cf055a6b238f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was contacted by someone asking =E2=80=9CMight an RFC on X be useful?=E2= =80=9D I thought it might, so I suggested he start by preparing an I-D. He's not done IETF before, so I googled "How to write an internet draft" - see http://bit.ly/2fFDP4i - and the results were disappointing, not obvious what I should send him by way of advice. Is there a good recent state-of-the-art document we'd want to direct someone to? If so, maybe I and others can throw it a few links and get it some googlejuice. 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I w= as contacted by someone asking =E2=80=9CMight an RFC on X be useful?=E2=80= =9D I thought it might, so I suggested he start by preparing an I-D.=C2=A0 = He's not done IETF before, so I googled "How to write an internet = draft" - see=C2=A0http://bit.ly/2fFD= P4i - and the results were disappointing, not obvious what I should sen= d him by way of advice.

I= s there a good recent state-of-the-art document we'd want to direct som= eone to?=C2=A0 If so, maybe I and others can throw it a few links and get i= t some googlejuice.=C2=A0 If not, someone should write one.
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