From nobody Thu Jan 3 07:32:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietf.org Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60029130E5A; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 07:32:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: zzhang@juniper.net, rift-chairs@ietf.org, rift@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154652953331.29645.8744902539316041125.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 07:32:13 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] rift - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 104 X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 15:32:14 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang, a Chair of the rift working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Routing In Fat Trees Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Zhaohui Zhang Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 75 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: bier bess rtgwg lsr lsvr Second Priority: pim mboned idr spring pce teas mpls People who must be present: Tony Przygienda Alvaro Retana Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang Jeff Tantsura Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please put YANG related sessions as third priority for conflict avoidance. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Jan 4 09:45:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CA5130E5B for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:45:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id urucNDaf28ZS for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x531.google.com (mail-ed1-x531.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::531]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B348130E5E for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x531.google.com with SMTP id b3so32558188ede.1 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 09:45:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=H9p4ymTlTOP+L+fh8Rh2y9dUeECrFnHP/AvHs8NOKb4=; b=K69OKJKNzeLqYBZNfeTq2ArbC28SFtdS6jz5MHm79zrWcx9eIc6R2Xbmh7NpQ6yvEL 8cMsOv4idPOe0zBnxmbjRFo6EIwu3CcytfY7fO7omJk3iIqpfGzDw5ZmihqHdwfRN/94 NRCNJgPbTNq4VbZ6kuT/926auQdwjXLUPitV/sUQKd8Qon3Pf6Dcf8uXtIHmbdYxP0Zb R59YwVbb+HydikZHkEsYbcSl/pu8oZOd+IzCDpumpPpQOMNzaUJ/nj92JZ8CYvn316hY /kB2XiKEg6SOudU2BUKmJ0/0yvXF2kfZCe9F2kBJeAObJNRKt5aDrwZTZ4CVb5AycDRM KLyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=H9p4ymTlTOP+L+fh8Rh2y9dUeECrFnHP/AvHs8NOKb4=; b=n7fgYJ25Jo3SaeHwfDhHBB85jeOMwCI7ePZDn/qKOmzY7b36kt4Hh0jVMtZrBNg/vg NE5/3lrsjzUzD3AMkCO7GYi9E+4wjglkHKxo5T/Pqyo1ADpumqZdql4EqSVPcrNUSqHR ukgD1B3W/AEsv5wP3vS9y8fizO1sebGu8nDDT95vwBYepnNQ4V4LJl3wXZeXQvJA3mDa 2wycHfTcnitRrnZvevX1w4A5SPAunz09G1SUzwZ3nA90mpQM0boNrWd2iSdHwJAWlFHJ 8ZeMr182gavY8nRBWvDQmZLWtcRpvDM/8aL0VgEvONk+pd8exF5av47BV69sOnGF9uCF RnbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbr2TK5SdadFz1jqffmvfc+WieRnVggRGSTEXMeor84+h4g78LD wWwt24731TOwl29nBCLQgSDRqAHPc5MTFempin3M0vD2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/W/dUu5CktjcOJF33GyFXs1xrnZ7vCfm8Lv4TSvUY4JVS7PgWyeUQiAYHKkZzaXIyhth1e3vRDdwrCxxnJMT+4= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d487:: with SMTP id b7mr45174280edr.256.1546623903844; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 09:45:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Przygienda Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:44:27 -0800 Message-ID: To: rift@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000063cd70057ea570d4" Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] Today's core design team meet ... X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 17:45:07 -0000 --00000000000063cd70057ea570d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Today's meeting's recordings ploaded to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nfz7zwa68vb2lxh/AABKDQ6mwKYqfcNN116rSciRa?dl=0 Synopsis: - We finished the security envelope today, lively discussion around details, looks like we have last piece in place and with that basic spec -04 will be ready for early reviews. - Bruno was showing progress on open source implementation (docker stuff, topology generation and visualization scripts) ... --- tony --00000000000063cd70057ea570d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--00000000000063cd70057ea570d4-- From nobody Thu Jan 10 08:45:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A963130E91 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:45:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TO0sZRkoe107 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66C7C130E68 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id x30so10784086edx.2 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:45:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Bw+Ml8TQ5m3YmMbEDgBiKgiB0fUUKKEkN0sel0P+Pzs=; b=U5+EQ9MCJ2ffMSA8Fd2L4f9o+inli/WhJHGoBF9XLCUicZ9pQExlyxDwbMMMLgEM55 A3wLYzilv7sUI1KvRb3WLzeenGz7zINu/4fJiWRkAxvm9rk+cTdoih1JFdb0AgSGnfS9 8tBLYBDh3jGJZBs2SR3Z7Jfb3OhxZcZ78OJI2i2kYsa05tcFglsXosC5hFvblKepwkTc Jp1Wz56DxLliUI8dvQ2HIC4gsZplNR78qimVdfywVRYzkKgD/Sue/Pl0ajYSVSbRI75M 6cNpfrwMJSEd0yOmQ1NlUb+DBedTflSn2SWKrjldMy0HvXU/Rj0l+If/RqP4f8nAUpys tKJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Bw+Ml8TQ5m3YmMbEDgBiKgiB0fUUKKEkN0sel0P+Pzs=; b=pO27wXH9rWrrLRtRPzH5Qocxd6ufvOF+Oy97TcgckRtE0vuoxXN3i+M/bZgA3ad/6X fM5tIRgHhgOM1EpkakEkO5Ps5Y4Ppsbg5XKDifIYtW5+AS7pfUjayKn1rQlyxRa2iH0c SY4GqIcHUzd8j1lIk+T9+2BpXjypsobnodehJlSPdJArtk1Z4hOJt2FZcQFhLYlHfhFO Ul1/8tvltcJ6l4Inh5lBGjDaPa5R+37R3X9OFoX2ApP1UdY87+Mz/ACUV7R5nh41aoGN cQT0YD5sV/X+xzvhG4mYeb6Bn/L+pQQXAlKv9b4OFa0gNDHjFiKZpxKFb3ZCOlFRW7sg Nhzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukdrdlFrRkRt7mWDcxlysQCCDlDWngIa6ovjC/3JtALyH5mh+bD7 skMpkZKiRZOjhoQpTKWIxtuaVz5rjoQLOGg/3TE/j8ey X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7Q7HgJpVfphU41X7K5OVFk1oQlRWJ2TJ5ERl670n+/OtjEBhFcT2wSGf0jhyvDtkr5VTApWurGF+GQ0agT+yw= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d487:: with SMTP id b7mr9883331edr.256.1547138750583; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:45:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Przygienda Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:45:14 -0800 Message-ID: To: rift@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a59bc9057f1d4fa9" Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] Today's core design team call ... X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 16:45:54 -0000 --000000000000a59bc9057f1d4fa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mf4ao1tbq5cmewz/AADmYNeyBT8gh9zmmpx2iwtda?dl=0 Synopsis: not much happened since not much left to do ;-) we're kind of done with basic spec, some detailed discussion about agreement on mobility seqnr# treatement needed next week possibly. Talk about dates to publish -04 that should go through early security and technical reviews ... --- tony --000000000000a59bc9057f1d4fa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000000000000a59bc9057f1d4fa9-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 07:10:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rift@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1F9130FCD for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 07:10:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -19.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-19.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-4.553, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75uueMs-LdRA for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 07:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0814130FA5 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 07:10:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3958; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1548083455; x=1549293055; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=JHBbpcdnBY8/DnlkKtfsCh3KbJyFh+jHSSnzDW1S9nw=; b=WGu++AQZo6I6DgY2rpB8u6ZypME20f99MFXJn2bW0SOdsnF7i26t2TOA HUZMoaj/9eW/u8ykeGnsonoj2AjXNhE9a/XL8SylsA5hRbNIMP8dDckVN 4B1VDu9rHbUtmJvC/wl10rajKQ7jvpECVMTLpJNoVMmOHgaiACqlsJx8/ 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AEAADi30Vc/5tdJa1jGgEBAQEBAgE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEHAgEBAQGBUQUBAQEBCwGBDXZmgQIxjBGLZ5QmhWiBewsBAYRsgmMiNAk?= =?us-ascii?q?NAQMBAQIBAQJtKIV+TBIBFmoPEAcBBA4NgxuBHWSsUYomjEEXgUA/gRGNcwK?= =?us-ascii?q?PcZIvCQKSESCSFIZ/k3cCERSBJx84gVZwFYMokFtBihiBHwEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,503,1539648000"; d="scan'208,217";a="228648480" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 Jan 2019 15:10:54 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (xch-rcd-004.cisco.com [173.37.102.14]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x0LFAsBo006314 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:10:54 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (173.37.102.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 09:10:53 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 09:10:53 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Tony Przygienda CC: "rift@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: ztp text Thread-Index: AdSxmvo2FwUuhjIcT1+uyONGnN1SEA== Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:09:50 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:09:41 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.22.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_a6a0eee21ec143b38f3127c1ab593979XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.14, xch-rcd-004.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: [Rift] ztp text X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:10:59 -0000 --_000_a6a0eee21ec143b38f3127c1ab593979XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Tony : About < 7. After a level has been derived the node MUST set the `not_a_ztp_offer` on LIEs towards all systems extending a VOL for HAL. < < extending > is a bit hard to parse for me. I think you mean providing, or= advertising? Cheers, Pascal --_000_a6a0eee21ec143b38f3127c1ab593979XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Tony :

 

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Cheers,

 

Pascal

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmm, basically it means "offering" but there is so much offering in the sur= rouding language I need a synonym --- tony ________________________________ From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:09 AM To: Antoni Przygienda Cc: rift@ietf.org Subject: ztp text Hello Tony : About =AB 7. After a level has been derived the node MUST set the `not_a_ztp_offer` on LIEs towards all systems extending a VOL for HAL. =AB =AB extending =BB is a bit hard to parse for me. I think you mean providing= , or advertising? Cheers, Pascal --_000_MWHPR05MB3279A45D3D42E8FE0A50309FAC9F0MWHPR05MB3279namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hmm, basically it means "offering" but there is so much offering = in the surrouding language I need a synonym

--- tony
From: Pascal Thubert (pthub= ert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:09 AM
To: Antoni Przygienda
Cc: rift@ietf.org
Subject: ztp text
 

Hello Tony :

 

About

=AB 

  7.  After a level= has been derived the node MUST set the

     = ;  `not_a_ztp_offer` on LIEs towards all systems extending a VOL for

     = ;  HAL.

=AB 

 

=AB extending =BB i= s a bit hard to parse for me. I think you mean providing, or advertising?

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

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18:50:56 -0000 --_000_MWHPR05MB3279DD49B2AE5B85AD0F7BF9AC9F0MWHPR05MB3279namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ack, just correct it then pls, Pascal --- tony ________________________________ From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 10:20 AM To: Antoni Przygienda Cc: rift@ietf.org Subject: Re: ztp text Hello Tony I suggest you stick to a single word and since you usually say offering why= not use it everywhere? Regards, Pascal Le 21 janv. 2019 =E0 18:50, Antoni Przygienda > a =E9crit : hmm, basically it means "offering" but there is so much offering in the sur= rouding language I need a synonym --- tony ________________________________ From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:09 AM To: Antoni Przygienda Cc: rift@ietf.org Subject: ztp text Hello Tony : About =AB 7. After a level has been derived the node MUST set the `not_a_ztp_offer` on LIEs towards all systems extending a VOL for HAL. =AB =AB extending =BB is a bit hard to parse for me. I think you mean providing= , or advertising? Cheers, Pascal --_000_MWHPR05MB3279DD49B2AE5B85AD0F7BF9AC9F0MWHPR05MB3279namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ack, just correct it then pls, Pascal

--- tony
From: Pascal Thubert (pthub= ert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 10:20 AM
To: Antoni Przygienda
Cc: rift@ietf.org
Subject: Re: ztp text
 
Hello Tony

I suggest you stick to a single word and since you usually say offerin= g why not use it everywhere?


Regards,

Pascal

Le 21 janv. 2019 =E0 18:50, Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net> a =E9crit :

hmm, basically it means "offering" but there is so much offering = in the surrouding language I need a synonym

--- tony
From: Pascal Thubert (pth= ubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>=
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:09 AM
To: Antoni Przygienda
Cc: rift@ietf.org
Subject: ztp text
 

Hello Tony :

 

About

=AB 

  7.  After a lev= el has been derived the node MUST set the

    &nb= sp;  `not_a_ztp_offer` on LIEs towards all systems extending a VOL for=

    &nb= sp;  HAL.

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Cheers,

 

Pascal

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We had a meeting last week but I for= got to upload ... we talked v4/v6 dual AF support & bandwidth load bala= ncing north/south ...

Today's meeting syn= opsis was in depth dive on intended TIDE changes compared to ISIS CSNP (whi= ch Bruno was pushing on a while ago already) to scale flooding up further a= nd hackathon Prague scope ...

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<50062B4F-4FF6-4E01-90D6-4D7EA13D5B84@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A863DC68-D458-47EA-B807-057B00D0DE5F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 09:01:03 -0600 In-Reply-To: Cc: Tony Przygienda , "rift@ietf.org" To: Pascal Thubert References: <1c863bf769564aac91c710e7bb91d91c@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rift] Today's core meeting ... X-BeenThere: rift@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Routing in Fat Trees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 15:03:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A863DC68-D458-47EA-B807-057B00D0DE5F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Pascal, (For the impatient: scroll down to BOTTOM LINE below). I like the idea of open ranges, allowing infinity (oo) to be used as the = end-point for the final range. One nitpick: AFAIK you cannot use a TIRE to request a missing range. You = can only use a TIRE to request a missing individual TIE by setting the = seq-nr to 0. But that doesn=E2=80=99t change the core of the argument. Consider X sending TIDEs to Y, and consider what happens when UDP = re-orders the blasted TIDEs. X sends: [A,D[ [D,F[ [F,H[ [H,oo[ UDP re-orders and Y gets: [A,D[ [H,oo[ [D,F[ [F,H[ =20 In this case, Y sees the gap between D[ and [H, and assume that X is = missing those TIEs, and will send all TIEs in range [D,H[ Then, probably a fraction of second later, Y receives TIDEs [D,F[ and = [F,H[ and realizes that it sent the TIEs for nothing=E2=80=A6 I pointed out that scenario to Tony early on. Initially Tony didn=E2=80=99= t think it was going to be an issue, but he recently saw that exact = scenario happening in large-scale initial convergences. During the call we agreed to scrap the rule that causes TIEs to be sent = based on gaps in consecutive TIDEs. Thus, when Y receives [A,D[ [H,oo[ it is not going to react by = sending all TIEs in range [D,H[ Instead, Y will patiently wait to receive [D,F[ [F,H[.=20 Y will send TIEs based on gaps observed *inside* a TIDE but not based on = gaps observed *between* TIDEs. This takes care of handling re-ordered TIDEs more elegantly. But, may cause delayed convergence if TIDEs are dropped rather than = re-ordered. For example, X sends: [A,D[ [D,F[ XXX [H,oo[ where XXX = indicates that [F,H[ is dropped. If Y does not react to gaps between TIDEs, then nothing will happen = until TIDE [F,H[ is eventually resent=E2=80=A6. BOTTOM LINE: Consider what would happen if we follow both Pascal=E2=80=99s proposal = and Tony=E2=80=99s proposal: 1) We use open range as Pascal proposes 2) That would allow us to recognize the final range by virtue of the = fact that the endpoint is infinity oo 3) We don=E2=80=99t allow gaps between TIDEs as Tony proposes 4) That would mean that if Y observes a gap between TIDEs, it must be = because a TIDE was dropped or re-ordered (there are no =E2=80=9Cnatural=E2= =80=9D gaps). 5) When Y receives the final TIDE (endpoint is oo) it could start a = short timer to allow re-ordered TIDEs to arrive 6) When the short timer expires, Y looks at gaps between received TIDEs.=20= 7) If Y sees a gap between TIDEs, it must be because a TIDE from X to Y = was dropped. 8) Here comes the dilemma: what do we do next? The correct action is = NOT for Y to start sending TIEs. What Y really wants is for X to resend = the missing TIDE quickly. But we have no mechanism for that. =E2=80=94 Bruno > On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:02 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > Follow up: > =20 > Around minute 28 you are discussing with Bruno about resending the all = database when the adjacency comes up, though you and Bruno dislike the = idea. > If you agree with the proposal below, then the following operation = could happen: > =20 > When the adjacency comes up, child starts blasting its TIDEs, no new = =E2=80=9Csequence counter=E2=80=9D > Say that child sends [A, D[, [D, F[, [F, H[, and [H, oo[ > Say that parent gets [A, D[ and [H, oo[, missing [D, F[ and [F, H[ > Upon receiving the TIDE ending at oo, or timing it out, parent sends = TIRE indicating missing [A, H[ > =20 > Once we are done one way, we can sync the other. Not sure we want both = in parallel, you know better though. > =20 > All the best, > =20 > Pascal > =20 > From: RIFT On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert = (pthubert) > Sent: jeudi 31 janvier 2019 10:35 > To: Tony Przygienda ; rift@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Rift] Today's core meeting ... > =20 > Hello Tony > =20 > Sorry I missed the call last week. I should have notified. I was = giving a course on RPL. > I=E2=80=99m looking at the recording (huge thanks for doing that!). > =20 > Around T=3D16:00 you are discussing the boundaries of a TIDE, where it = starts and where it stops, whether C should be repeated. > My recommendation would be: > =20 > Define 0 and infinity. 0 may be present, infinity cannot. > In the start indicate the first that=E2=80=99s in (that=E2=80=99s A) > In the end indicate the first that in not in (that=E2=80=99s D) > Then place descriptors A, B and C > =20 > This avoids repeating C and does not leave a hole. The caveat is that = you must dup your TIDEs without an interruption that would insert C=E2=80=99= between the moment you send TIDE [A, D[ and the moment you send TIDE = [D, G[. > =20 > Works? > =20 > Pascal > =20 > From: RIFT > On = Behalf Of Tony Przygienda > Sent: jeudi 24 janvier 2019 19:28 > To: rift@ietf.org > Subject: [Rift] Today's core meeting ... > =20 > We had a meeting last week but I forgot to upload ... we talked v4/v6 = dual AF support & bandwidth load balancing north/south ... > =20 > Today's meeting synopsis was in depth dive on intended TIDE changes = compared to ISIS CSNP (which Bruno was pushing on a while ago already) = to scale flooding up further and hackathon Prague scope ... > =20 > upload: > =20 > = https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z72t8ae85inl8we/AAAbsfXIQ-_j-N3SWVD0Cr_Fa?dl=3D= 0 = > =20 > --- tony > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > RIFT mailing list > RIFT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rift --Apple-Mail=_A863DC68-D458-47EA-B807-057B00D0DE5F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Pascal,

(For the = impatient: scroll down to BOTTOM LINE below).

I like the idea of open ranges, = allowing infinity (oo) to be used as the end-point for the final = range.

One = nitpick: AFAIK you cannot use a TIRE to request a missing range. You can = only use a TIRE to request a missing individual TIE by setting the = seq-nr to 0.  But that doesn=E2=80=99t change the core of the = argument.

Consider X sending TIDEs to Y, and consider what happens when = UDP re-orders the blasted TIDEs.

X sends:   [A,D[   = [D,F[   [F,H[   [H,oo[

UDP re-orders and Y gets:  [A,D[ =   [H,oo[   [D,F[   [F,H[   

In this case, Y sees the = gap between D[ and [H, and assume that X is missing those TIEs, and will = send all TIEs in range [D,H[

Then, probably a fraction of second = later, Y receives TIDEs [D,F[ and [F,H[ and realizes that it sent the = TIEs for nothing=E2=80=A6

I pointed out that scenario to Tony early on. Initially Tony = didn=E2=80=99t think it was going to be an issue, but he recently saw = that exact scenario happening in large-scale initial = convergences.

During the call we agreed to scrap the rule that causes TIEs = to be sent based on gaps in consecutive TIDEs.

Thus, when Y receives  [A,D[ =   [H,oo[  it is not going to react by sending all TIEs in = range [D,H[

Instead, Y will patiently wait to receive [D,F[   = [F,H[. 

Y = will send TIEs based on gaps observed *inside* a TIDE but not based on = gaps observed *between* TIDEs.

This takes care of handling re-ordered = TIDEs more elegantly.

But, may cause delayed convergence if TIDEs are dropped = rather than re-ordered.

For example, X sends:   [A,D[   [D,F[   XXX =   [H,oo[  where XXX indicates that [F,H[ is dropped.

If Y does not react to = gaps between TIDEs, then nothing will happen until TIDE [F,H[ is = eventually resent=E2=80=A6.

BOTTOM LINE:

Consider what would happen if we follow both Pascal=E2=80=99s = proposal and Tony=E2=80=99s proposal:

1) We use open range as Pascal = proposes

2) = That would allow us to recognize the final range by virtue of the fact = that the endpoint is infinity oo

3) We don=E2=80=99t allow gaps between = TIDEs as Tony proposes

4) That would mean that if Y observes a gap between TIDEs, it = must be because a TIDE was dropped or re-ordered (there are no = =E2=80=9Cnatural=E2=80=9D gaps).

5) When Y receives the final TIDE = (endpoint is oo) it could start a short timer to allow re-ordered TIDEs = to arrive

6) = When the short timer expires, Y looks at gaps between received = TIDEs. 

7) = If Y sees a gap between TIDEs, it must be because a TIDE from X to Y was = dropped.

8) = Here comes the dilemma: what do we do next?  The correct action is = NOT for Y to start sending TIEs.  What Y really wants is for X to = resend the missing TIDE quickly.  But we have no mechanism for = that.

=E2=80=94 = Bruno




On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:02 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> = wrote:

Follow = up:
 
Around = minute 28 you are discussing with Bruno about resending the all database = when the adjacency comes up, though you and Bruno dislike the idea.
If you = agree with the proposal below, then the following operation could = happen:
 
  • When the adjacency comes up, = child starts blasting its TIDEs, no new =E2=80=9Csequence counter=E2=80=9D=
  • Say that child sends [A, D[, [D, F[, [F, H[, and [H, = oo[
  • Say that parent gets [A, D[ and [H, oo[, missing = [D, F[ and [F, H[
  • Upon receiving the TIDE ending at oo, or timing it = out, parent sends TIRE indicating missing [A, H[
 
Once we = are done one way, we can sync the other. Not sure we want both in = parallel, you know better though.
 
All the best,
 
Pascal
 
From: RIFT <rift-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Pascal Thubert = (pthubert)
Sent: jeudi 31 janvier 2019 = 10:35
To: Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com>; rift@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Rift] Today's core = meeting ...
 
Hello Tony
 
Sorry I missed the call last week. I should have notified. I = was giving a course on RPL.
I=E2=80=99m looking at the recording = (huge thanks for doing that!).
 
Around T=3D16:00 you are discussing the = boundaries of a TIDE, where it starts and where it stops, whether C = should be repeated.
My recommendation would be:
 
  • Define 0 and = infinity. 0 may be present, infinity cannot.
    • In the start indicate the first = that=E2=80=99s in (that=E2=80=99s A)
  • In the end indicate the first that in = not in (that=E2=80=99s D)
  • Then place descriptors A, B and C
 
This = avoids repeating C and does not leave a hole. The caveat is that you = must dup your TIDEs without an interruption that would insert C=E2=80=99 = between the moment you send TIDE [A, D[ and the moment you send TIDE [D, = G[.
 
Works?
 
Pascal
 
From: RIFT <rift-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Tony = Przygienda
Sent: jeudi 24 janvier 2019 = 19:28
To: rift@ietf.org
Subject: [Rift] Today's core meeting = ...
 
We had a meeting last week = but I forgot to upload ... we talked v4/v6 dual AF support & = bandwidth load balancing north/south ...
 
Today's meeting synopsis was in depth = dive on intended TIDE changes compared to ISIS CSNP (which Bruno was = pushing on a while ago already) to scale flooding up further and = hackathon Prague scope ...
 
upload:
 
 
--- tony
 
 
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We ran for 2 hours today instead of = 1 given amount of implementation detail, ironing details for -04 out ...

1. Corner consideration on TIDE range (optimization = for a TIE ID being sent twice, at end TIDE and begin next TIDE)
2= . Discussion about introduced Packet Number and its benefits based on imple= mentaion experience
3. Discussion on flood reduction based o= n Bruno's implementation experience, mostly clarification and clearing = up some misunderstandings. Very good new idea how to flood reduce south bou= nd in a simple manner to avoid the "reboot adjacency inrush" (one= bit on the LIE saying "don't flood anything but node TIEs to me&q= uot;). Will probaby make it into -04, looks inocuous in the sense that even= if people don't do it/ignore it everything works fine & it can be = used by each node independently based on different criteria (load experienc= ed, toipology knowedge and so on).

Recordings und= er


--- tony
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