From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Fri Jan 31 06:17:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC381A1F5B for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QKUvIO79_agu for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094041A1F5E for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:17:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: rmcat@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.90.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140131141755.2005.85223.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:17:55 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 15:16:30 -0800 Subject: [rmcat] Milestones changed for rmcat WG X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:17:58 -0000 Changed milestone "Adopt first WG draft on evaluation criteria", resolved as "Done". URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/rmcat/charter/ From lars@netapp.com Tue Feb 4 04:19:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE3D1A0383 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 04:19:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zq48hw-Ks1Mf for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 04:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BA41A03CA for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 04:19:29 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,779,1384329600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="99943042" Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 04 Feb 2014 04:19:29 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.211]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 4 Feb 2014 04:19:26 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: rmcat WG Thread-Topic: WG status & London agenda Thread-Index: AQHPIaNYbGPPr9Rdpke04nOO68hDPg== Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:19:25 +0000 Message-ID: <191C7160-A6DD-4DF1-A8F6-2B4A409C66DF@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A074991E-ED6B-4B58-AF32-E8E2AC20BFF1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [rmcat] WG status & London agenda X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 12:19:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A074991E-ED6B-4B58-AF32-E8E2AC20BFF1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, here's where Mirja and me think we are with regards to our various work = items: cc-requirements: Approaching WGLC, possibly after another rev. Mirja = will check with Randell. If we go to WGLC, we will let it run until = after London, where Randell will give a short presentation about the = final version. 10 min? eval-criteria: Was just adopted by the WG; Varun & design team to update = us on the current state of things. 30 min? app-interactions: Mo volunteered to write an individual draft targeting = this work item; assuming it's submitted by the deadline, we'd appreciate = a presentation in London. 20 min? group-cc: Michael says there is progress but they'd like to keep working = on it for a bit longer; proposal to have a presentation on detecting = shared bottlenecks. 20 min? That leaves us with about an hour of meeting time in London. Mirja and = me believe it's time to see some presentations on possibly candidate = solutions. We'd highly appreciate if any such presentation proposal not only = described the candidate mechanism, but also (especially) focused on = showing some evaluation results based on the current state of our = evaluation criteria draft. Additionally, it would be great to see presentations that compared = different solution candidates against one another. Please send any such presentation requests to Mirja and me. Thanks, Lars --Apple-Mail=_A074991E-ED6B-4B58-AF32-E8E2AC20BFF1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUvDaztZcnpRveo1xAQLHxwP+L/Do7r8AIfJHIRWJ1dBg4eUIPU79k4uU U3FJhIJ99TT2YvNjVPxgrT57spg3KXvai2dtKtGUzj7nkaVyyh4kDExFGb2mxNWb HE3ZkAf3SwRcJIzFW/Jl0EuUHI4OkFHQo/zhzgFYvS5bs+Puwwm0qy8DpN0gFLsr rz6RDIQCxjs= =dZzu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A074991E-ED6B-4B58-AF32-E8E2AC20BFF1-- From randell-ietf@jesup.org Thu Feb 13 06:41:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20AF1A02B3 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDy54oe_zgoE for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from r2-chicago.webserversystems.com (r2-chicago.webserversystems.com [173.236.101.58]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E336C1A01F1 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [12.131.214.70] (port=56936 helo=[10.0.0.14]) by r2-chicago.webserversystems.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WDxTR-0004WG-EV for rmcat@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:41:09 -0600 Message-ID: <52FCD986.7090701@jesup.org> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:41:10 -0800 From: Randell Jesup User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/27.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmcat@ietf.org References: <96FB83A5-23BD-4BAC-9D1A-204913BC342E@netapp.com> <52B553AC.5080004@jesup.org> In-Reply-To: <52B553AC.5080004@jesup.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - r2-chicago.webserversystems.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jesup.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: r2-chicago.webserversystems.com: authenticated_id: randell@jesup.org Subject: Re: [rmcat] MW's review of draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-00 X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:41:12 -0000 On 12/21/2013 12:39 AM, Randell Jesup wrote: > >> 8. (interaction with TCP) >> => here I suggested "not starve TCP and not be starved by TCP" in my >> separate email on "Fairness" to the list. I think that should do it, >> rather than this somewhat lengthy discussion. > > I didn't touch this (yet). We can discuss more; we may end up yanking > it for being too like "discussion". Replaced with: The algorithm should not starve competing TCP flows, and should as best as possible avoid starvation by TCP flows. a. An algorithm may be more successful at avoiding starvation from short-lived TCP long-lived/saturating TCP flows. b. In order to avoid starvation other goals may need to be compromised (such as delay). I also added in response to Mirja's comments (this is a sub-point to the Fairness requirement): Existing flows at a bottleneck must also be fair to new flows to that bottleneck, and must allow new flows to ramp up to a useful share of the bottleneck bandwidth quickly. If there are no other edits suggested, I'll update the draft in the next day. Thanks! -- Randell Jesup randell-ietf@jesup.org From nobody Fri Feb 14 02:00:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312371A01F9; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:00:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id apxmMPimDKMO; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572F01A01E3; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:00:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.0.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140214100039.7836.64056.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:00:39 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rmcat/Q8ga2n1ngevm7QzAyLwGnvlzCDY Cc: rmcat@ietf.org Subject: [rmcat] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02.txt X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:00:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques Working Group of the IETF. Title : Congestion Control Requirements For RMCAT Author : Randell Jesup Filename : draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2014-02-14 Abstract: Congestion control is needed for all data transported across the Internet, in order to promote fair usage and prevent congestion collapse. The requirements for interactive, point-to-point real time multimedia, which needs low-delay, semi-reliable data delivery, are different from the requirements for bulk transfer like FTP or bursty transfers like Web pages. This document attempts to describe a set of requirements that can be used to evaluate other congestion control mechanisms in order to figure out their fitness for this purpose, and in particular to provide a set of possible requirements for proposals coming out of the RMCAT Working Group. This document is derived from draft-jesup-rtp-congestion-reqs [I-D.jesup-rtp-congestion-reqs]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Feb 14 07:12:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD0E1A02AC for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:12:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3kgWd228rgU2 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg20.ericsson.net (sesbmg20.ericsson.net [193.180.251.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB871A0260 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb38-b7f418e000001099-af-52fe3263d32a Received: from ESESSHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sesbmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D5.A9.04249.3623EF25; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:12:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB307.ericsson.se ([169.254.7.82]) by ESESSHC006.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.36]) with mapi id 14.02.0387.000; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:12:35 +0100 From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker To: rmcat WG Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-sarker-rmcat-cellular-eval-test-cases-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHPKZahz2qf5hyknkC2WOgS7R6tUpq02jDg Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:12:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140214150819.13043.80666.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140214150819.13043.80666.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.18] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvjW6y0b8gg7M/zSxW3/zA5sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujJXnlrEW/BKpeLXgH2sD4xaRLkZODgkBE4lfq1azQdhiEhfu rQeyuTiEBI4wSqz63MoO4SxmlGh5+RMow8HBJmAj8XixH0iDiICsxI1Zl8GahQXiJFpaL7BC xOMlvuyazQRhG0k82HgLLM4ioCpxb8dDZhCbV8BX4tmvlWC2kICjxNbrixhBbE4BJ4nds66B 2YxAB30/tQZsDrOAuMStJ/OZIA4VkFiy5zwzhC0q8fLxP1YIW1Hi46t9jCBnMgtoSqzfpQ/R qigxpfshO8RaQYmTM5+wTGAUnYVk6iyEjllIOmYh6VjAyLKKkaM4tTgpN93IYBMjMOgPbvlt sYPx8l+bQ4zSHCxK4rwf3zoHCQmkJ5akZqemFqQWxReV5qQWH2Jk4uCUamDs8okpjswVe1PE b9IRnd10fOayczMnNbG8y7lTrsy+LdjN6FqqeNnv5y+ynjTOKNKN/nX8KlOcf8MHY7u4Td9u Os4vmZZV80UnwLH5wf6+B/cnNz1Qywuc8fCblt2q56I6V/SNfLynTY3tEHvEdXZu/ZzvvhpF be9PG8neuHTebPuVYwk7pYyUWIozEg21mIuKEwErTuO7SAIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rmcat/7KQOB7lmmPN6GXaLLMkiv-KHopE Subject: [rmcat] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sarker-rmcat-cellular-eval-test-cases-00.txt X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:03:09 -0000 Hello Working Group, we uploaded a first draft of the agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/89/agenda/rmcat/ Please check in case you've requested a slot. We still have time available on the agenda, thus if you would a presentation slot, please let us know. Mirja & Lars From nobody Fri Feb 14 10:12:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2AE1A037E for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:12:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.94 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.94 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zrx7Mi8fhcbH for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sessmg20.mgmt.ericsson.se (sessmg20.ericsson.net [193.180.251.50]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711841A0349 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:12:07 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb32-b7f4c8e0000012f5-1f-52fe5c748981 Received: from ESESSHC019.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sessmg20.mgmt.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id CE.C3.04853.47C5EF25; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:12:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB307.ericsson.se ([169.254.7.82]) by ESESSHC019.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.75]) with mapi id 14.02.0387.000; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:12:04 +0100 From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mirja_K=FChlewind?= Thread-Topic: [rmcat] First draft of agenda for IETF89 meeting Thread-Index: AQHPKZ5D8b6YkIpOx02qRcAiVLSSx5q1DUmV Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:12:03 +0000 Message-ID: <2yxqlo934f7eyr82ik980ym5.1392401522026@email.android.com> References: <201402141703.05021.mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <201402141703.05021.mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvjW5pzL8gg99reC1evO5hsVg44S2r xeqbH9gcmD2WLPnJ5DHv53FmjxmfvrAFMEdx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZaxYs5u54D9rxYoN69gb GB+zdDFyckgImEg0v9vADGGLSVy4t56ti5GLQ0jgBKPEqUdPWSCcxYwSS66cZ+xi5OBgE7CR eLzYD6RBRMBP4vX3cywgYWYBF4k921JBTGEBW4kNT6MgKuwkvj5bxw4SFhEwklh90BIkzCKg KnF9cjsbiM0r4CaxZgnEBUJA9qvWA2BxTgF3icNnToLFGYEu+35qDROIzSwgLnHryXwmiIsF JJbsOQ91vajEy8f/WCFq9CRuTJ3CBmFrSyxb+JoZYpegxMmZT1gmMIrOQjJqFpKWWUhaZiFp WcDIsopRsji1uDg33chALzc9t0QvtSgzubg4P0+vOHUTIzB6Dm75bbSD8eQe+0OM0hwsSuK8 11lrgoQE0hNLUrNTUwtSi+KLSnNSiw8xMnFwSjUwTl1qVFR2s1WxL4xze02caV7O4b9LPFk2 s19f3Xh7SwLnu+eJdRceXDWq/BB14tSKjR5qc4xPxnudWDjh7q1nb1a9Wf1i9ZSuIK2bz+ev Wme68rVk15RzHCviD9dbP9et2LoyXkxjnZTo3kCVWQviDVeLyTuqbyvgWHJwUfsbIfe8d/cL ua+n9ymxFGckGmoxFxUnAgBlxKI8bAIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rmcat/lgSWc3PRLwJE1SolxQJt_qphPHQ Cc: "rmcat@ietf.org" , Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [rmcat] First draft of agenda for IETF89 meeting X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:12:09 -0000 Hi, I have submitted a draft on evaluation test cases for cellular networks. It would be nice if I can get a 10 min slot to present it. BR Zahed Sent from Moxier Mail (http://www.moxier.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirja K=FChlewind To: "rmcat@ietf.org" Cc: Lars Eggert Sent: 2/14/2014 17:03 Subject: [rmcat] First draft of agenda for IETF89 meeting Hello Working Group, we uploaded a first draft of the agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/89/agenda/rmcat/ Please check in case you've requested a slot. We still have time available on the agenda, thus if you would a presentatio= n slot, please let us know. Mirja & Lars From nobody Mon Feb 17 06:53:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8211A050B for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:53:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z2tq4h0Etszy for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB611A0209 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:53:13 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,861,1384329600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="143392536" Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2014 06:53:10 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.211]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:53:10 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: rmcat WG Thread-Topic: WGLC for draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02 Thread-Index: AQHPK+/5W0yOYNlYsEiKSPgfn46BpA== Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:53:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3B7006B2-C2A5-472B-BC74-15BD2F4D0208@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.20] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_60779BBE-3C12-4D23-9094-61BFA13B696A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rmcat/wrXJLPpr83OkC5dsBFKMcS0oNwg Subject: [rmcat] WGLC for draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02 X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:30:55 -0000 --_002_CF29205427E98mzanatyciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, For the application interaction milestone and London presentation, we plan to use the attached draft as a starting point. Comments and early discussion welcome. 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23:25:21 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6EDFD6CF-D260-4D15-9844-F50299F593B5@ifi.uio.no> References: <3B7006B2-C2A5-472B-BC74-15BD2F4D0208@netapp.com> To: "Eggert, Lars" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-UiO-SPF-Received: X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 2 msgs/h 1 sum rcpts/h 5 sum msgs/h 2 total rcpts 12720 max rcpts/h 44 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: E6598FAA822F4ABB37CF70D0098A94D7F56402C4 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 89.144.207.133 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 1 total 23 max/h 9 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rmcat/Lg45S46FuKKIdYm2aSU0vry8Y7U Cc: rmcat WG Subject: Re: [rmcat] WGLC for draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02 X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:25:42 -0000 Hi, Sorry if I missed this in Randell's responses to the reviews - but this = text is still there and should be fixed IMO: *** 2. The algorithm must be fair to other flows, both realtime flows (such as other instances of itself), and TCP flows, both long- lived and bursts such as the traffic generated by a typical web browsing session. Note that 'fair' is a rather hard-to-define term. A. Existing flows at a bottleneck must also be fair to new flows to that bottleneck, and must allow new flows to ramp up to a useful share of the bottleneck bandwidth quickly. *** Being fair to other instances of itself is one issue, being "fair" to = TCP is another one. The latter is covered by the text about trying to = avoid starvation of TCP, so I suggest that this item here should not = bring TCP into the mix and only talk about other instances of itself. Regarding fairness, I don't think that saying "must be fair" and "Note = that 'fair' is hard to define" isn't really useful - we need to be clear = about what we mean. (Sub-item A doesn't make the paragraph above it = clearer, it just adds a restriction. I have no problem with sub-item A = although I think it's unnecessary.) I once proposed: "Send at roughly the same rate under similar = conditions." (with more details in a previous email with subject "Fairness", see the = list archives). It has sldo been said that we should mandate RTT-independence too. I'm = for it. What do others think? Cheers, Michael On 17. feb. 2014, at 15:53, "Eggert, Lars" wrote: > Hi, >=20 > we'd like to start the working group last call for = draft-ietf-rmcat-cc-requirements-02. Please send your feedback to the = list. >=20 > We're letting this LC run until March 12 (after the London meeting), = so there will also be a chance to discuss any feedback there. >=20 > Lars From nobody Tue Feb 25 06:17:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688DD1A045D; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 06:17:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1GfnjjMgq80V; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 06:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACAB1A06EB; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 06:17:13 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,540,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="145318948" Received: from vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2014 06:17:12 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.211]) by vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 06:17:13 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "saag@ietf.org" , "rmcat@ietf.org" , "rtcweb@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [irsg] Final agenda for the IRTF Open Meeting at IETF-89 Thread-Index: AQHPMjHEOa1omgdxKEScYanJgU4jJg== Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:17:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4FF88464-9C2F-453F-A157-188D291BC564@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.18] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_27FD192F-14B9-414B-89C6-0F47D07DCD8A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rmcat/GWL7G0ZD12BfH2W_GBFLbhNjk3M Subject: [rmcat] Fwd: [irsg] Final agenda for the IRTF Open Meeting at IETF-89 X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:17:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_27FD192F-14B9-414B-89C6-0F47D07DCD8A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The two ANRP award talks may be of interest to folks on this list. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Eggert, Lars" > Subject: [irsg] Final agenda for the IRTF Open Meeting at IETF-89 > Date: February 25, 2014 at 14:59:14 GMT+1 > To: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , = "irtf-announce@irtf.org" > Reply-To: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" >=20 > The preliminary agenda for the IRTF Open Meeting at IETF-88 is now = online: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/agenda/agenda-89-irtfopen >=20 > Lars >=20 > -- >=20 > Preliminary Agenda > IRTF Open Meeting @ IETF-89 > London, UK > WEDNESDAY, March 5, 2014 > 0900-1130 Morning Session I >=20 > [Slot lengths below indicate presentation+discussion time.] >=20 > State of the IRTF > Lars Eggert > 5+5 min >=20 > Applied Networking Prize (ANRP) Award Talks > 30+10 min (x2) >=20 > *** Kenny Paterson *** on finding and documenting new attacks > against TLS and DTLS: >=20 > N. J. Al Fardan and K. G. Paterson. Lucky Thirteen: Breaking > the TLS and DTLS Record Protocols. Proc. IEEE Symposium on > Security and Privacy, pp. 526-540, San Francisco, CA, USA, > May 2013. >=20 > *** Keith Winstein *** on designing a transport protocol for > interactive applications that desire high throughput and low delay: >=20 > Keith Winstein, Anirudh Sivaraman, and Hari Balakrishnan > Stochastic Forecasts Achieve High Throughput and Low Delay > over Cellular Networks. Proc. 10th USENIX Symposium on > Networked Systems Design and Implementation (NSDI), Lombard, > IL, USA, April 2013. >=20 > Keith will talk about our work building Sprout, a transport > protocol for interactive traffic over cellular networks, and = Remy, a > tool that generates congestion-control protocols automatically. >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_27FD192F-14B9-414B-89C6-0F47D07DCD8A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUwyl59ZcnpRveo1xAQKJLAQAgaxyeLtxZgG3umsw2U338WjgVKblS7w6 4a8PihuGFL6ZOrfXGTwY9rT09QpScFr1RiL/ufvexK1LI9Ev6G1iVsazJMdxOtaf xzZtkqZUe78Svp0GBwVh6mmTt+qfKBfivGyhSRJ9lLUaLk2/pJJ8FdgA9C0zBNfF T2O2Y0sJV8c= =Pt7A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_27FD192F-14B9-414B-89C6-0F47D07DCD8A--