From nobody Wed Apr 1 08:17:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7931ACD6D for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mjCswnrv0Win for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33D801ACD73 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:17:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1198; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1427901430; x=1429111030; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=j7qqUXAcUdDzIrthZlwfEjl+76fSf53NYSr1HPChk+U=; b=jNAB6Vo0+gU0fwPKLhLYrQBi0am43JBluZcFf3LhykFbklp8CcBYJblx ZfmE+AOno352MnnetihiOQ2uOGKAJt919TqCLUcAslvy8/2W+MXTx2QkF GZe5XHkv+iQHTaRb6tIa6INAs+rNG5lxzu6scp4Obc51wLMiV0Yv20QEv w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DbBQBICxxV/5pdJa1cgwZSXAEEwwaCT4VzAoFATAEBAQEBAX2EFQEBAwEnUgULAgEIRjIlAgQBDQWIJwgNzmUBAQEBAQEBAQIBAQEBAQEBARqLKYRFMweELQWKbYV2g3KGBIEdOoJ4j28ig25vAYFDfwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,504,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="408478037" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2015 15:17:09 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x05.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x05.cisco.com [173.36.12.79]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t31FH9jB012195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Apr 2015 15:17:09 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.4.214]) by xhc-aln-x05.cisco.com ([173.36.12.79]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 10:17:09 -0500 From: "Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mirja_K=FChlewind?= , "rmcat WG (rmcat@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: [rmcat] rmcat minutes Thread-Index: AQHQbI7rG/BhfTY4u0m39wbdFAiG4A== Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 15:17:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2A8439D2-8A6A-4230-8015-0CE0540EAD64@tik.ee.ethz.ch> In-Reply-To: <2A8439D2-8A6A-4230-8015-0CE0540EAD64@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.8.150116 x-originating-ip: [64.100.32.216] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Karen E. E. Nielsen" , Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 15:17:14 -0000 Can the chairs please clarify this part? > on splitting rmcat-app-interaction > terminate existing, three new: > CC-App interations -> W3C (Varun) > CC-Codec interactions -> RMCAT (Mo) > RMCAT framework > Mike Ramallo: Procedural question: this is a WG document, > will all three become WG drafts? > Karen/Mirja: yes I thought we would submit 3 new individual drafts and seek adoption of each separately, adding new milestones for each once adopted. Or will all 3 really inherit WG document status, and immediately add 3 new milestones to replace the existing one? Thanks, Mo On 3/31/15, 6:28 PM, Mirja K=FChlewind wrote: Hi all, find the minutes from the last meeting in etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-92-rmcat Thanks to Brian for this great job as minute taker!!! As we=B9ve been running a little bit over time, there might be some few comments missing at the end but I pretty everything important got captured before that. If you=B9ve spoken in the meeting, please review the minutes and potentiall= y apply changes! I will upload the minutes next week. Mirja From nobody Wed Apr 1 08:32:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F27A1ACDF5 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SNn1jO7x8-K8 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x231.google.com (mail-la0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 241CF1ACD27 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagg8 with SMTP id g8so39646292lag.1 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uo/WNOG4akuxflHh8bCuRucox0lyx7e2VS5cFOHpulk=; b=ZNyki9ut24MFYh2jLdxZ4x41Zr9mN0RvA+/n051e/9fu2EXazWC9vig59MJAyVadCi pAM9GZfj7Vwo18H66INWJiQG4JZtKoEcsKG/HWYfT+YCSlfj8/T6RrORyT0tRzUozMmK IkOjD7us+w8FqE5Iq5R4Sk6WUsF96/f75tjqhwsYHuoyws+4YT/5k89Mx8DywLCSrJ+e M2a6mtOZoEwZ6JHjeg5PmR1zvgDKF/gh3xq9gYGBn0ocwq3XjWTLsBc0FYohznRladNC pyeuSpW4u0sZBIbfEywrvQ/+raueUU+PawaYfZYrifxYvFiBBgJZbtDKmHy8WI0pcgIz cdew== X-Received: by 10.152.37.228 with SMTP id b4mr35696047lak.111.1427902336630; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.176.225 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:31:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2A8439D2-8A6A-4230-8015-0CE0540EAD64@tik.ee.ethz.ch> From: Varun Singh Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:31:56 +0300 Message-ID: To: "Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "Karen E. E. Nielsen" , "rmcat WG \(rmcat@ietf.org\)" , =?UTF-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= , Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 15:32:20 -0000 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) wro= te: > Can the chairs please clarify this part? > >> on splitting rmcat-app-interaction >> terminate existing, three new: >> CC-App interations -> W3C (Varun) >> CC-Codec interactions -> RMCAT (Mo) >> RMCAT framework >> Mike Ramallo: Procedural question: this is a WG document, >> will all three become WG drafts? >> Karen/Mirja: yes > > > I thought we would submit 3 new individual drafts and seek adoption of > each separately, adding new milestones for each once adopted. Or will all > 3 really inherit WG document status, and immediately add 3 new milestones > to replace the existing one? > My recollection was that the 2 documents would start as individual and when adopted would fulfill the single milestone. I thought we were undecided on the topic of the RMCAT Framework draft. > Thanks, > Mo > > > On 3/31/15, 6:28 PM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind > wrote: > > Hi all, > > find the minutes from the last meeting in etherpad: > > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-92-rmcat > > Thanks to Brian for this great job as minute taker!!! > > As we=C2=B9ve been running a little bit over time, there might be some fe= w > comments missing at the end but I pretty everything important got capture= d > before that. > > If you=C2=B9ve spoken in the meeting, please review the minutes and poten= tially > apply changes! > > I will upload the minutes next week. > > Mirja > --=20 http://www.callstats.io From nobody Wed Apr 1 09:28:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1791A0AFE for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:28:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aScJWVGbOtr0 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5389E1A90D2 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE244D9304; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:28:10 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Q7JomlBZwCJh; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:28:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.1.197] (108-243-34-25.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.243.34.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mirjak) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23F72D930A; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:28:07 +0200 (MEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: =?utf-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:28:03 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5392C067-1037-4108-9911-87CBB80B036A@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: <2A8439D2-8A6A-4230-8015-0CE0540EAD64@tik.ee.ethz.ch> To: Varun Singh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: "Karen E. E. Nielsen" , "rmcat WG \(rmcat@ietf.org\)" , "Mo Zanaty \(mzanaty\)" Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 16:28:17 -0000 Hi, sorry, didn=E2=80=99t read the notes carefully enough to catch this. The = answer should in fact be =E2=80=9Ano=E2=80=98. Will correct the minutes. = (Actually in the meeting the answer was yes, but to the question that = all will be submitted as individual=E2=80=A6) All three documents will start as individual drafts. The two new = interaction drafts can then be adopted to address the app-interaction = milestone. For the framework we will figure out later what to do with = it. But we could also adopt it (later, if we think it=E2=80=99s useful) = without changing the milestones. I don=E2=80=99t think we are going to = change the milestones in this case because removing or adding (rather = than just moving) milestones means to re-charter the wg. Mirja > Am 01.04.2015 um 08:31 schrieb Varun Singh : >=20 > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) = wrote: >> Can the chairs please clarify this part? >>=20 >>> on splitting rmcat-app-interaction >>> terminate existing, three new: >>> CC-App interations -> W3C (Varun) >>> CC-Codec interactions -> RMCAT (Mo) >>> RMCAT framework >>> Mike Ramallo: Procedural question: this is a WG document, >>> will all three become WG drafts? >>> Karen/Mirja: yes >>=20 >>=20 >> I thought we would submit 3 new individual drafts and seek adoption = of >> each separately, adding new milestones for each once adopted. Or will = all >> 3 really inherit WG document status, and immediately add 3 new = milestones >> to replace the existing one? >>=20 >=20 > My recollection was that the 2 documents would start as individual and > when adopted would fulfill the single milestone. > I thought we were undecided on the topic of the RMCAT Framework draft. >=20 >=20 >> Thanks, >> Mo >>=20 >>=20 >> On 3/31/15, 6:28 PM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind = >> wrote: >>=20 >> Hi all, >>=20 >> find the minutes from the last meeting in etherpad: >>=20 >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-92-rmcat >>=20 >> Thanks to Brian for this great job as minute taker!!! >>=20 >> As we=C2=B9ve been running a little bit over time, there might be = some few >> comments missing at the end but I pretty everything important got = captured >> before that. >>=20 >> If you=C2=B9ve spoken in the meeting, please review the minutes and = potentially >> apply changes! >>=20 >> I will upload the minutes next week. >>=20 >> Mirja >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://www.callstats.io From nobody Wed Apr 1 09:54:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDEB1AD359 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xqCe6lgHIRyV for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DC171AD363 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:54:16 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79146d0000070a3-84-551c22b612ce Received: from ESESSHC013.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id DF.15.28835.6B22C155; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB307.ericsson.se ([169.254.7.133]) by ESESSHC013.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.57]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:54:13 +0200 From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker To: =?utf-8?B?TWlyamEgS8O8aGxld2luZA==?= , Varun Singh Thread-Topic: [rmcat] rmcat minutes Thread-Index: AQHQbAIMIvbtxbsOE0qgaEAXLJ7esJ04JEsAgAAEIgCAAA+ugIAAJ34w Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:54:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2A8439D2-8A6A-4230-8015-0CE0540EAD64@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <5392C067-1037-4108-9911-87CBB80B036A@tik.ee.ethz.ch> In-Reply-To: <5392C067-1037-4108-9911-87CBB80B036A@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.147] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpnkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGfG3Rnebkkyowc+NRhaHWmeyWGxYPYXF 4sWDOUwWq29+YLPY2+TvwOox5fdGVo+ds+6yeyxZ8pPJ49DzII9jH76yBbBGcdmkpOZklqUW 6dslcGXc/DONpeCHUsW2B2uZGxhblLoYOTkkBEwkVpw/wwphi0lcuLeerYuRi0NI4CijxIa9 B5kgnMWMEhMevweq4uBgE7CReLzYD6RBRKBQ4ue8N8wgNcwCfYwSk79tZgRJCAsoSSzdup0d okhZYtbq42wQtpvE1T1vmEBsFgEViZdLJzKD2LwCvhKTb98Cu0JI4CmjxLw9sSA2p4CTxPOV EDWMQNd9P7UGrJdZQFzi1pP5TBBXC0gs2XOeGcIWlXj5+B/YnRJAN0zbmgZiMgtoSqzfpQ/R qSgxpfshO8RWQYmTM5+wTGAUm4Vk6CyEjllIOmYh6VjAyLKKUbQ4tbg4N93ISC+1KDO5uDg/ Ty8vtWQTIzDmDm75bbWD8eBzx0OMAhyMSjy8CZ3SoUKsiWXFlbmHGKU5WJTEee2MD4UICaQn lqRmp6YWpBbFF5XmpBYfYmTi4JRqYNQT+5BxTOqQFP89nq67VcKcHxXVnk0USg+OSGnb8v3I jycbtqZWp32t7zPh3X+bz3Sbtl5uyL71BxiXOx6ftPX/h9nqC1bypB/e6fDCsENjXuGJzRtc lL7IndiRoSn5sTtQ9rZHu/aO+4693W4XulO1xETY166JubMj7OYGhaZ9YsX2hi1N75VYijMS DbWYi4oTAVGeKhuaAgAA Archived-At: Cc: "Karen E. 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boundary=001a11346058aa70710512acc6c4 Archived-At: Cc: "Karen E. Egede Nielsen" , "rmcat WG \(rmcat@ietf.org\)" , =?UTF-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= , "Mo Zanaty \(mzanaty\)" Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 17:09:24 -0000 --001a11346058aa70710512acc6c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm not opposed to the framework document, infact I'm all for it. I thought the reason to take off the current document was that the framework document was not in the milestones. On 01-Apr-2015 7:54 pm, "Zaheduzzaman Sarker" < zaheduzzaman.sarker@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > If we are undecided with what to do with framework document then why are > we having that? > > My understanding was that all these three documents are covered by the > same milestone. The framework document will be used as common understandi= ng > of different modules for different algorithms. > > I believe we are having the framework documents as we believe it will > useful. > > BR > > Zahed > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rmcat [mailto:rmcat-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja K=C3=BCh= lewind > > Sent: den 1 april 2015 18:28 > > To: Varun Singh > > Cc: Karen E. E. Nielsen; rmcat WG (rmcat@ietf.org); Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) > > Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes > > > > Hi, > > > > sorry, didn=E2=80=99t read the notes carefully enough to catch this. Th= e answer > should > > in fact be =E2=80=9Ano=E2=80=98. Will correct the minutes. (Actually in= the meeting the > answer > > was yes, but to the question that all will be submitted as individual= =E2=80=A6) > > > > All three documents will start as individual drafts. The two new > interaction > > drafts can then be adopted to address the app-interaction milestone. Fo= r > the > > framework we will figure out later what to do with it. But we could als= o > adopt > > it (later, if we think it=E2=80=99s useful) without changing the milest= ones. I > don=E2=80=99t think > > we are going to change the milestones in this case because removing or > > adding (rather than just moving) milestones means to re-charter the wg. > > > > Mirja > > > > > > > Am 01.04.2015 um 08:31 schrieb Varun Singh : > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) > > wrote: > > >> Can the chairs please clarify this part? > > >> > > >>> on splitting rmcat-app-interaction > > >>> terminate existing, three new: > > >>> CC-App interations -> W3C (Varun) > > >>> CC-Codec interactions -> RMCAT (Mo) > > >>> RMCAT framework > > >>> Mike Ramallo: Procedural question: this is a WG document, will all > > >>> three become WG drafts? > > >>> Karen/Mirja: yes > > >> > > >> > > >> I thought we would submit 3 new individual drafts and seek adoption > > >> of each separately, adding new milestones for each once adopted. Or > > >> will all > > >> 3 really inherit WG document status, and immediately add 3 new > > >> milestones to replace the existing one? > > >> > > > > > > My recollection was that the 2 documents would start as individual an= d > > > when adopted would fulfill the single milestone. > > > I thought we were undecided on the topic of the RMCAT Framework draft= . > > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > >> Mo > > >> > > >> > > >> On 3/31/15, 6:28 PM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> find the minutes from the last meeting in etherpad: > > >> > > >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-92-rmcat > > >> > > >> Thanks to Brian for this great job as minute taker!!! > > >> > > >> As we=C2=B9ve been running a little bit over time, there might be so= me few > > >> comments missing at the end but I pretty everything important got > > >> captured before that. > > >> > > >> If you=C2=B9ve spoken in the meeting, please review the minutes and > > >> potentially apply changes! > > >> > > >> I will upload the minutes next week. > > >> > > >> Mirja > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.callstats.io > > --001a11346058aa70710512acc6c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I'm not opposed to the framework document, infact I'= m all for it. I thought the reason to take off the current document was tha= t the framework document was not in the milestones.

On 01-Apr-2015 7:54 pm, "Zaheduzzaman Sarke= r" <zaheduzzama= n.sarker@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

If we are undecided with what to do with framework document then why are we= having that?

My understanding was that all these three documents are covered by the same= milestone. The framework document will be used as common understanding of = different modules for different algorithms.

I believe we are having the framework documents as we believe it will usefu= l.

BR

Zahed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rmcat [mailto:rmcat-bo= unces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja K=C3=BChlewind
> Sent: den 1 april 2015 18:28
> To: Varun Singh
> Cc: Karen E. E. Nielsen; rmcat WG (r= mcat@ietf.org); Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
> Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes
>
> Hi,
>
> sorry, didn=E2=80=99t read the notes carefully enough to catch this. T= he answer should
> in fact be =E2=80=9Ano=E2=80=98. Will correct the minutes. (Actually i= n the meeting the answer
> was yes, but to the question that all will be submitted as individual= =E2=80=A6)
>
> All three documents will start as individual drafts. The two new inter= action
> drafts can then be adopted to address the app-interaction milestone. F= or the
> framework we will figure out later what to do with it. But we could al= so adopt
> it (later, if we think it=E2=80=99s useful) without changing the miles= tones. I don=E2=80=99t think
> we are going to change the milestones in this case because removing or=
> adding (rather than just moving) milestones means to re-charter the wg= .
>
> Mirja
>
>
> > Am 01.04.2015 um 08:31 schrieb Varun Singh <vsingh.ietf@gmail.com>:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
> <mzanaty@cisco.com> wro= te:
> >> Can the chairs please clarify this part?
> >>
> >>> on splitting rmcat-app-interaction
> >>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 terminate existing, three new:
> >>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CC-App interations -> W3C (Varun)
> >>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CC-Codec interactions -> RMCAT (Mo)
> >>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RMCAT framework
> >>> Mike Ramallo: Procedural question: this is a WG document,= will all
> >>> three become WG drafts?
> >>> Karen/Mirja: yes
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought we would submit 3 new individual drafts and seek ad= option
> >> of each separately, adding new milestones for each once adopt= ed. Or
> >> will all
> >> 3 really inherit WG document status, and immediately add 3 ne= w
> >> milestones to replace the existing one?
> >>
> >
> > My recollection was that the 2 documents would start as individua= l and
> > when adopted would fulfill the single milestone.
> > I thought we were undecided on the topic of the RMCAT Framework d= raft.
> >
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mo
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/31/15, 6:28 PM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind
> >> <mirja.= kuehlewind@tik.ee.ethz.ch>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> find the minutes from the last meeting in etherpad:
> >>
> >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf= -92-rmcat
> >>
> >> Thanks to Brian for this great job as minute taker!!!
> >>
> >> As we=C2=B9ve been running a little bit over time, there migh= t be some few
> >> comments missing at the end but I pretty everything important= got
> >> captured before that.
> >>
> >> If you=C2=B9ve spoken in the meeting, please review the minut= es and
> >> potentially apply changes!
> >>
> >> I will upload the minutes next week.
> >>
> >> Mirja
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.= callstats.io

--001a11346058aa70710512acc6c4-- From nobody Wed Apr 1 10:40:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCF81A01AE for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 10:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dW9tl-n0lGHm for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34E021A00B2 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B074D9305; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:40:39 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ELR1mi76Ocvs; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:40:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.21.66.254] (unknown [68.65.174.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mirjak) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96201D9304; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:40:37 +0200 (MEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: =?utf-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 10:40:35 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <95B08577-20EC-49E7-85FC-FD50138CE7FC@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: <2A8439D2-8A6A-4230-8015-0CE0540EAD64@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <5392C067-1037-4108-9911-87CBB80B036A@tik.ee.ethz.ch> To: Varun Singh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: "Karen E. Egede Nielsen" , "rmcat WG \(rmcat@ietf.org\)" , Zaheduzzaman Sarker , "Mo Zanaty \(mzanaty\)" Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 17:40:44 -0000 I believe we all think that the framework document will be useful. = That=E2=80=99s the reason that we are doing it. However as this is right = now only a believe, there is still the option that we change our mind = and in this case simply don=E2=80=99t have to follow-on on this = document. All I say it=E2=80=99s still open and we can decided freely as = soon as we know what to do for sure. The reason why we are have separate documents is that these documents = are (currently) for different audiences. With the two interaction docs I = would like to go outside of the wg and get feedback, while the framework = is for an internal discussion basis for us.=20 As long as all documents we produce are in scope of the charter, we are = free to do so without having a milestone. For a milestone however we are = demanded to address it (by one or more documents). If we decided to not = deliver something that is described in a milestone, we probably have to = recharter. However, if we deliver more than in the milestone (within the = scope if the charter), that's no problem and no changes are required. Mirja > Am 01.04.2015 um 10:09 schrieb Varun Singh : >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I'm not opposed to the framework document, infact I'm all for it. I = thought the reason to take off the current document was that the = framework document was not in the milestones. >=20 > On 01-Apr-2015 7:54 pm, "Zaheduzzaman Sarker" = wrote: > Hi, >=20 > If we are undecided with what to do with framework document then why = are we having that? >=20 > My understanding was that all these three documents are covered by the = same milestone. The framework document will be used as common = understanding of different modules for different algorithms. >=20 > I believe we are having the framework documents as we believe it will = useful. >=20 > BR >=20 > Zahed >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rmcat [mailto:rmcat-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja = K=C3=BChlewind > > Sent: den 1 april 2015 18:28 > > To: Varun Singh > > Cc: Karen E. E. Nielsen; rmcat WG (rmcat@ietf.org); Mo Zanaty = (mzanaty) > > Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes > > > > Hi, > > > > sorry, didn=E2=80=99t read the notes carefully enough to catch this. = The answer should > > in fact be =E2=80=9Ano=E2=80=98. Will correct the minutes. (Actually = in the meeting the answer > > was yes, but to the question that all will be submitted as = individual=E2=80=A6) > > > > All three documents will start as individual drafts. The two new = interaction > > drafts can then be adopted to address the app-interaction milestone. = For the > > framework we will figure out later what to do with it. But we could = also adopt > > it (later, if we think it=E2=80=99s useful) without changing the = milestones. I don=E2=80=99t think > > we are going to change the milestones in this case because removing = or > > adding (rather than just moving) milestones means to re-charter the = wg. > > > > Mirja > > > > > > > Am 01.04.2015 um 08:31 schrieb Varun Singh = : > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) > > wrote: > > >> Can the chairs please clarify this part? > > >> > > >>> on splitting rmcat-app-interaction > > >>> terminate existing, three new: > > >>> CC-App interations -> W3C (Varun) > > >>> CC-Codec interactions -> RMCAT (Mo) > > >>> RMCAT framework > > >>> Mike Ramallo: Procedural question: this is a WG document, will = all > > >>> three become WG drafts? > > >>> Karen/Mirja: yes > > >> > > >> > > >> I thought we would submit 3 new individual drafts and seek = adoption > > >> of each separately, adding new milestones for each once adopted. = Or > > >> will all > > >> 3 really inherit WG document status, and immediately add 3 new > > >> milestones to replace the existing one? > > >> > > > > > > My recollection was that the 2 documents would start as individual = and > > > when adopted would fulfill the single milestone. > > > I thought we were undecided on the topic of the RMCAT Framework = draft. > > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > >> Mo > > >> > > >> > > >> On 3/31/15, 6:28 PM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> find the minutes from the last meeting in etherpad: > > >> > > >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-92-rmcat > > >> > > >> Thanks to Brian for this great job as minute taker!!! > > >> > > >> As we=C2=B9ve been running a little bit over time, there might be = some few > > >> comments missing at the end but I pretty everything important got > > >> captured before that. > > >> > > >> If you=C2=B9ve spoken in the meeting, please review the minutes = and > > >> potentially apply changes! > > >> > > >> I will upload the minutes next week. > > >> > > >> Mirja > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.callstats.io >=20 From nobody Mon Apr 6 03:01:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994281A7005 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 03:01:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.16 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.16 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l7rPnM7TctQs for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 03:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout1.zih.tu-dresden.de (mailout1.zih.tu-dresden.de [141.30.67.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA341A6FEE for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 03:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zih.tu-dresden.de ([141.76.14.4]) by mailout1.zih.tu-dresden.de with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Yf3qH-0003C3-E3; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 12:01:17 +0200 Received: from p54af48ac.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.175.72.172] helo=[192.168.2.110]) by server-50.mailclusterdns.zih.tu-dresden.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (envelope-from ) id 1Yf3qE-0005lp-Hm; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 12:01:14 +0200 Message-ID: <5522597A.4070603@tu-dresden.de> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 12:01:30 +0200 From: Frank Fitzek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rmcat WG (rmcat@ietf.org)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TUD-Virus-Scanned: mailout1.zih.tu-dresden.de Archived-At: Subject: [rmcat] Video trace files X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." 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E. Nielsen" Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat minutes X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 20:40:43 -0000 Hi again, uploaded the minutes! If any further changes are needed let me know as = soon as possible! Mirja > Am 01.04.2015 um 00:28 schrieb Mirja K=C3=BChlewind = : >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > find the minutes from the last meeting in etherpad: >=20 > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-92-rmcat >=20 > Thanks to Brian for this great job as minute taker!!!=20 >=20 > As we=E2=80=99ve been running a little bit over time, there might be = some few comments missing at the end but I pretty everything important = got captured before that. >=20 > If you=E2=80=99ve spoken in the meeting, please review the minutes and = potentially apply changes! >=20 > I will upload the minutes next week. >=20 > Mirja From nobody Wed Apr 29 10:50:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B4C1ACDCB; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W0lPuNw7s1Hs; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CBA1ACDB4; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:50:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150429175005.10607.46321.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:50:05 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: rmcat@ietf.org Subject: [rmcat] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rmcat-nada-00.txt X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:50:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques Working Group of the IETF. Title : NADA: A Unified Congestion Control Scheme for Real-Time Media Authors : Xiaoqing Zhu Rong Pan Michael A. Ramalho Sergio Mena de la Cruz Charles Ganzhorn Paul E. Jones Stefano D'Aronco Filename : draft-ietf-rmcat-nada-00.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2015-04-28 Abstract: Network-Assisted Dynamic Adaptation (NADA) is a novel congestion control scheme for interactive real-time media applications, such as video conferencing. In NADA, the sender regulates its sending rate based on either implicit or explicit congestion signaling in a consistent manner. As one example of explicit signaling, NADA can benefit from explicit congestion notification (ECN) markings from network nodes. It also maintains consistent sender behavior in the absence of explicit signaling by reacting to queuing delay and packet loss. This document describes the overall system architecture for NADA, as well as recommended behavior at the sender and the receiver. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmcat-nada/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-nada-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:01:08 -0000 Hi,=20 This is essentially a resubmission of the latest individual draft as a WG Document. =20 I did take this opportunity to fix one minor issue with notation overload in Sec. 4.1. Otherwise no changes. Thanks, Xiaoqing=20 On 4/29/15, 10:50 AM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the RTP Media Congestion Avoidance >Techniques Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : NADA: A Unified Congestion Control Scheme for >Real-Time Media > Authors : Xiaoqing Zhu > Rong Pan > Michael A. Ramalho > Sergio Mena de la Cruz > Charles Ganzhorn > Paul E. Jones > Stefano D'Aronco > Filename : draft-ietf-rmcat-nada-00.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2015-04-28 > >Abstract: > Network-Assisted Dynamic Adaptation (NADA) is a novel congestion > control scheme for interactive real-time media applications, such as > video conferencing. In NADA, the sender regulates its sending rate > based on either implicit or explicit congestion signaling in a > consistent manner. As one example of explicit signaling, NADA can > benefit from explicit congestion notification (ECN) markings from > network nodes. It also maintains consistent sender behavior in the > absence of explicit signaling by reacting to queuing delay and packet > loss. > > This document describes the overall system architecture for NADA, as > well as recommended behavior at the sender and the receiver. > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmcat-nada/ > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-nada-00 > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Apr 29 16:03:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73951A8A09 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:03:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xc1HLh21b1q for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C4B31A8AA0 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2014; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1430348592; x=1431558192; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=QsY5fftW2sZGqeWzkCSKcK+T7GJdHEn49gtNfWHl8XM=; b=S3ssL8XcBLKAAT3NXJ1UiGO1DnjX7ol8dy1sUHzjeUCqszKoLQern1Nf h0N3vUBabptfvw+cDw3+8+s7H3Qhda9GRjI1tUcKUn5aLbY3pOBK3BFto d7iVcCcEJtrLvEpUy1TwWCHfaCT21pdGgrSOHd6knRLoyt/f2hxCJGzNS c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BPBADEYkFV/49dJa1cgwxTXAXFfQmBVYYCAoFDOBQBAQEBAQEBgQqEIQEBBA4sKxISAgEINhAyGwEGAwIEE4grDcdKAQEBAQEBAQMBAQEBAQEBG4s4hQyELQWRaoQJhj+BIz2DDIlghywjg3RvgUSBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,673,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="145739212" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 29 Apr 2015 23:03:11 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com [173.37.183.84]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t3TN3AGR015656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:03:10 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.245]) by xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([173.37.183.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:03:10 -0500 From: "Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu)" To: "rmcat@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-source-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHQgqV0pJ9JbobgakuaSdVt0fAtGZ1ken4A Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150429175348.24635.92272.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150429175348.24635.92272.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.9.150325 x-originating-ip: [10.154.176.76] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <61463670EFA31247BA1EC1DCE9596D5B@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [rmcat] FW: New Version Notification for draft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-source-01.txt X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:03:13 -0000 Hi,=20 This is a keep-alive update with fairly minor text/editorial changes. We do plan to submit another revision with major changes/improvements before Prague. Thanks, Xiaoqing On 4/29/15, 10:53 AM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A new version of I-D, draft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-source-01.txt >has been successfully submitted by Xiaoqing Zhu and posted to the >IETF repository. > >Name: draft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-source >Revision: 01 >Title: Modeling Video Traffic Sources for RMCAT Evaluations >Document date: 2015-04-28 >Group: Individual Submission >Pages: 14 >URL: =20 >https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-source- >01.txt >Status: =20 >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-source/ >Htmlized: =20 >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-source-01 >Diff: =20 >https:https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-zhu-rmcat-video-traffic-so= ur >ce-01 > >Abstract: > This document describes two reference video traffic source models for > evaluating RMCAT candidate algorithms. The first model statistically > characterizes the behavior of a live video encoder in response to > changing requests on target video rate. The second model is trace- > driven, and emulates the encoder output by scaling the pre-encoded > video frame sizes from a widely used video test sequence. Both > models are designed to strike a balance between simplicity, > repeatability, and authenticity in modeling the interactions between > a video traffic source and the congestion control module. > > =20 > =20 >Needed to manually add one co-author missed by the auto-parsing of meta >data.=20 > >Thanks. > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >The IETF Secretariat >