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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques of the IETF.

        Title           : Modeling Video Traffic Sources for RMCAT Evaluations
        Authors         : Xiaoqing Zhu
                          Sergio Mena de la Cruz
                          Zaheduzzaman Sarker
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rmcat-video-traffic-model-02.txt
	Pages           : 16
	Date            : 2017-01-08

Abstract:
   This document describes two reference video traffic source models for
   evaluating RMCAT candidate algorithms.  The first model statistically
   characterizes the behavior of a live video encoder in response to
   changing requests on target video rate.  The second model is trace-
   driven, and emulates the encoder output by scaling the pre-encoded
   video frame sizes from a widely used video test sequence.  Both
   models are designed to strike a balance between simplicity,
   repeatability, and authenticity in modeling the interactions between
   a video traffic source and the congestion control module.


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Hi, =0A=
=0A=
This version has been updated based on a new set of encoder output frame tr=
aces collected using the modified firefox browser. The traces are driven by=
 two long (>5min) HD test video sequences and cycling through various targe=
t rates for sake of observing codec transient behavior.  =0A=
=0A=
The changes to the draft are as follows (mainly in Section 5 and Section 7)=
: =0A=
 =0A=
* For the statistical model, added a new parameter SIGMA_t to model the flu=
ctuations in frame intervals as we have observed from recently collected tr=
aces; =0A=
=0A=
* For the transient behavior, revised the parameter in the statistical mode=
l to K_B to directly model the burst frame size.  Since we have not observe=
d a constant ratio between burst and reference frame size in the new traces=
;=0A=
=0A=
* Removed the parameter DELTA (corresponding to uniform distribution of out=
put frame sizes) since there has not been much evidence for uniformly distr=
ibuted frame sizes; =0A=
=0A=
* In Section 7, when describing the hybrid model, also mentioned that the f=
rame interval distribution in the statistical model can be used along with =
frame size from traces to drive the steady-state behavior. =0A=
=0A=
We are currently in the process of collecting corresponding steady-state tr=
aces from the same video sources. Our plan is to present on the dataset (an=
d potentially update the draft again for the steady-state model parameters)=
 in the upcoming IETF-98 meeting.=0A=
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Thanks,=0A=
Xiaoqing=0A=
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P.S.  Thanks much to Randell from Mozilla for help with modifying the firef=
ox browser. =0A=
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Subject: [rmcat] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rmcat-video-traffic-model-02.txt=0A=
=0A=
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.=0A=
This draft is a work item of the RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques =
of the IETF.=0A=
=0A=
        Title           : Modeling Video Traffic Sources for RMCAT Evaluati=
ons=0A=
        Authors         : Xiaoqing Zhu=0A=
                          Sergio Mena de la Cruz=0A=
                          Zaheduzzaman Sarker=0A=
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Abstract:=0A=
   This document describes two reference video traffic source models for=0A=
   evaluating RMCAT candidate algorithms.  The first model statistically=0A=
   characterizes the behavior of a live video encoder in response to=0A=
   changing requests on target video rate.  The second model is trace-=0A=
   driven, and emulates the encoder output by scaling the pre-encoded=0A=
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   models are designed to strike a balance between simplicity,=0A=
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The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:=0A=
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There's also a htmlized version available at:=0A=
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A diff from the previous version is available at:=0A=
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Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
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Hi everyone,


This draft has just expired and Zahed and I do plan to revive it soon. Curr=
ently we have on our "edit-to-address" list only some questions raised by V=
arun from IETF-96 (Berlin) regarding RTP taxonomy.  Varun has graciously ag=
reed to provide some specific comments as follow-up, so we are waiting for =
those (thanks ahead Varun).


In the meantime, I would like to poll the mailing list to collect further r=
eview comments on this draft.  Please let us know what other issues you'd l=
ike us to address.


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00?


Thanks,

Xiaoqing


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Hi Roni,


Thanks for reading the draft and providing your input.   You are right that=
 to a resource management algorithm is needed to decide which flow get how =
much portion of the aggregate BW calculated by the network congestion contr=
oller.  Currently, my intention is for the "Rate Controller" to host that a=
lgorithm.  Will add some text to clarify on this part.


An example of the shared states would be the set of "flow state information=
" mentioned in the coupled-cc draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-rmcat-coupled-cc-05), such as priority, current flow rate, etc.  I'll add =
a reference to the coupled-cc draft to help make this concept more concrete=
.


Best,

Xiaoqing



________________________________
From: Roni Even <roni.even@huawei.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:57 AM
To: Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu); rmcat@ietf.org
Cc: Varun Singh
Subject: RE: Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00

Hi,

I read the document and have a question about the multiple streams case.  F=
igure 2 adds the shared states module.  The text say
"The Rate Controller divides up the aggregate estimated bandwidth (1) from =
the Network Congestion Controller amongst sub-streams based on their relati=
ve priority levels, Shared States, as well as current occupancy level of th=
e Transmission Queue."
I am not sure what the shared state is but definitely in order to divide th=
e bandwidth there is a need to know the required bw for each of the video s=
treams (as a number or information about the encoding parameters like codec=
, resolution,...) this is a resource management algorithm that is needed he=
re.

Roni Even

From: rmcat [mailto:rmcat-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiaoqing Zhu (xiao=
qzhu)
Sent: ??? ? 09 ????? 2017 18:54
To: rmcat@ietf.org
Cc: Varun Singh
Subject: [rmcat] Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00


Hi everyone,



This draft has just expired and Zahed and I do plan to revive it soon. Curr=
ently we have on our "edit-to-address" list only some questions raised by V=
arun from IETF-96 (Berlin) regarding RTP taxonomy.  Varun has graciously ag=
reed to provide some specific comments as follow-up, so we are waiting for =
those (thanks ahead Varun).



In the meantime, I would like to poll the mailing list to collect further r=
eview comments on this draft.  Please let us know what other issues you'd l=
ike us to address.



https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00?



Thanks,

Xiaoqing



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<p>Hi Roni,&nbsp;<br>
</p>
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</p>
<p>Thanks for reading the draft and providing your input. &nbsp;&nbsp;You a=
re right that to a resource management algorithm is needed to decide which =
flow get how much portion of the aggregate BW calculated by the network con=
gestion controller. &nbsp;Currently, my intention
 is for the &quot;Rate Controller&quot; to host that algorithm. &nbsp;Will =
add some text to clarify on this part.&nbsp;<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>An example of the&nbsp;shared states would be&nbsp;the set of &quot;flow=
&nbsp;state information&quot; mentioned in the coupled-cc draft (https://to=
ols.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc-05), such as priority, curren=
t flow rate, etc. &nbsp;I'll add a reference to the coupled-cc
 draft to help make this concept more concrete.&nbsp;</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Xiaoqing</p>
<p>&nbsp;<br>
</p>
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en@huawei.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu); rmcat@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Varun Singh<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;C=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:#1F497D">I read the document and=
 have a question about the multiple streams case. &nbsp;Figure 2 adds the s=
hared states module. &nbsp;The text say</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8220;T=
he Rate Controller divides up the aggregate estimated bandwidth (1) from th=
e Network Congestion Controller amongst sub-streams based on their
 relative priority levels, Shared States, as well as current occupancy leve=
l of the Transmission Queue.&#8221;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I am not=
 sure what the shared state is but definitely in order to divide the bandwi=
dth there is a need to know the required bw for each of the
 video streams (as a number or information about the encoding parameters li=
ke codec, resolution,&#8230;) this is a resource management algorithm that =
is needed here.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</=
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ze:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Roni Eve=
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<b>To:</b> rmcat@ietf.org<br>
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work-00</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
olor:black">This draft has just expired and Zahed and I do&nbsp;plan to rev=
ive it soon. Currently we have on our &quot;edit-to-address&quot; list only=
&nbsp;some questions raised&nbsp;by&nbsp;Varun from IETF-96 (Berlin)&nbsp;r=
egarding RTP taxonomy.
 &nbsp;Varun has graciously agreed to provide some specific comments as&nbs=
p;follow-up, so we are waiting for those (thanks ahead Varun).&nbsp;</span>=
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
olor:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
olor:black">In the meantime, I would like to poll the mailing list to colle=
ct further review comments on this draft. &nbsp;Please let us know what oth=
er issues you'd like us to address.&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
olor:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
olor:black"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-rmcat-framewor=
k-00">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00</a>&#8203;</=
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; c=
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Hi Ingemar,


Thanks for providing this example.  Will refer to it in the next version of=
 the draft.  Just wondering, if you can help to identify what "shared state=
s" are in the case of SCReAM?  Or does the concept of "shared state" apply =
at all?


Best,

Xiaoqing


________________________________
From: Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:00 AM
To: Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu); Roni Even; rmcat@ietf.org
Cc: Varun Singh
Subject: RE: [rmcat] Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-framewor=
k-00

Hi
Another example of the resource management is the configurable flow priorit=
ization embedded in the packet scheduling in SCReAM. See https://tools.ietf=
.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-scream-cc-07#page-32

Regards
/Ingemar

From: Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu) [mailto:xiaoqzhu@cisco.com]
Sent: den 24 januari 2017 05:38
To: Roni Even <roni.even@huawei.com>; rmcat@ietf.org
Cc: Varun Singh <varun@callstats.io>
Subject: Re: [rmcat] Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-framewor=
k-00


Hi Roni,



Thanks for reading the draft and providing your input.   You are right that=
 to a resource management algorithm is needed to decide which flow get how =
much portion of the aggregate BW calculated by the network congestion contr=
oller.  Currently, my intention is for the "Rate Controller" to host that a=
lgorithm.  Will add some text to clarify on this part.



An example of the shared states would be the set of "flow state information=
" mentioned in the coupled-cc draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-rmcat-coupled-cc-05), such as priority, current flow rate, etc.  I'll add =
a reference to the coupled-cc draft to help make this concept more concrete=
.



Best,

Xiaoqing



________________________________
From: Roni Even <roni.even@huawei.com<mailto:roni.even@huawei.com>>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:57 AM
To: Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu); rmcat@ietf.org<mailto:rmcat@ietf.org>
Cc: Varun Singh
Subject: RE: Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00

Hi,

I read the document and have a question about the multiple streams case.  F=
igure 2 adds the shared states module.  The text say
"The Rate Controller divides up the aggregate estimated bandwidth (1) from =
the Network Congestion Controller amongst sub-streams based on their relati=
ve priority levels, Shared States, as well as current occupancy level of th=
e Transmission Queue."
I am not sure what the shared state is but definitely in order to divide th=
e bandwidth there is a need to know the required bw for each of the video s=
treams (as a number or information about the encoding parameters like codec=
, resolution,...) this is a resource management algorithm that is needed he=
re.

Roni Even

From: rmcat [mailto:rmcat-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiaoqing Zhu (xiao=
qzhu)
Sent: ??? ? 09 ????? 2017 18:54
To: rmcat@ietf.org<mailto:rmcat@ietf.org>
Cc: Varun Singh
Subject: [rmcat] Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00


Hi everyone,



This draft has just expired and Zahed and I do plan to revive it soon. Curr=
ently we have on our "edit-to-address" list only some questions raised by V=
arun from IETF-96 (Berlin) regarding RTP taxonomy.  Varun has graciously ag=
reed to provide some specific comments as follow-up, so we are waiting for =
those (thanks ahead Varun).



In the meantime, I would like to poll the mailing list to collect further r=
eview comments on this draft.  Please let us know what other issues you'd l=
ike us to address.



https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00?



Thanks,

Xiaoqing



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<p>Hi Ingemar,&nbsp;<br>
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<p><br>
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<p>Thanks for providing this example. &nbsp;Will refer to it in the next ve=
rsion of the draft. &nbsp;Just wondering, if you can help to identify what =
&quot;shared states&quot; are in the case of SCReAM? &nbsp;Or does the conc=
ept of &quot;shared state&quot; apply at all?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Best,<br>
</p>
<p>Xiaoqing<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Ingemar Johansson S &=
lt;ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu); Roni Even; rmcat@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Varun Singh<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rmcat] Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-f=
ramework-00</font>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;C=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif">Another example of the resource management is the =
configurable flow prioritization embedded in the packet scheduling in SCReA=
M. See
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-scream-cc-07#page-3=
2">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-scream-cc-07#page-32</a></s=
pan></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif">/Ingemar</span></p>
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alibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span></p>
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t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu) [mai=
lto:xiaoqzhu@cisco.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 24 januari 2017 05:38<br>
<b>To:</b> Roni Even &lt;roni.even@huawei.com&gt;; rmcat@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Varun Singh &lt;varun@callstats.io&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rmcat] Request for comment/input for draft-zhu-rmcat-f=
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&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">=
Thanks for reading the draft and providing your input. &nbsp;&nbsp;You are =
right that to a resource management algorithm is needed to decide which flo=
w get how much portion of the aggregate BW calculated
 by the network congestion controller. &nbsp;Currently, my intention is for=
 the &quot;Rate Controller&quot; to host that algorithm. &nbsp;Will add som=
e text to clarify on this part.&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">=
&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">=
An example of the&nbsp;shared states would be&nbsp;the set of &quot;flow&nb=
sp;state information&quot; mentioned in the coupled-cc draft (<a href=3D"ht=
tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc-05">https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc-05</a>),
 such as priority, current flow rate, etc. &nbsp;I'll add a reference to th=
e coupled-cc draft to help make this concept more concrete.&nbsp;</span></p=
>
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&nbsp;</span></p>
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ni Even &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roni.even@huawei.com">roni.even@huawei.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu); <a href=3D"mailto:rmcat@ietf.org">rmcat=
@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Varun Singh<br>
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alibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I read the document and have a ques=
tion about the multiple streams case. &nbsp;Figure 2 adds the shared states=
 module. &nbsp;The text say</span><span style=3D"color:#212121"></span></p>
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ze:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#212121">&#822=
0;The Rate Controller divides up the aggregate estimated bandwidth (1) from=
 the Network Congestion Controller amongst sub-streams
 based on their relative priority levels, Shared States, as well as current=
 occupancy level of the Transmission Queue.&#8221;</span><span style=3D"col=
or:#212121"></span></p>
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not sure what the shared state is but definitely in order to divide the ban=
dwidth there is a need to know the required bw for
 each of the video streams (as a number or information about the encoding p=
arameters like codec, resolution,&#8230;) this is a resource management alg=
orithm that is needed here.</span><span style=3D"color:#212121"></span></p>
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rmcat [<a href=3D"mailto:rmcat-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:rmcat-bounces@ietf.=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Xiaoqing Zhu (xiaoqzhu)<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Varun Singh<br>
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Hi everyone,&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif; color:#212121"></span></p>
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or:#212121"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">=
This draft has just expired and Zahed and I do&nbsp;plan to revive it soon.=
 Currently we have on our &quot;edit-to-address&quot; list only&nbsp;some q=
uestions raised&nbsp;by&nbsp;Varun from IETF-96 (Berlin)&nbsp;regarding RTP=
 taxonomy.
 &nbsp;Varun has graciously agreed to provide some specific comments as&nbs=
p;follow-up, so we are waiting for those (thanks ahead Varun).&nbsp;</span>=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#212121"><=
/span></p>
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or:#212121"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">=
In the meantime, I would like to poll the mailing list to collect further r=
eview comments on this draft. &nbsp;Please let us know what other issues yo=
u'd like us to address.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,sans-serif; color:#212121"></span></p>
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<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-rmcat-framework-00">https:=
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">=
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