From nobody Fri Jun 2 03:09:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietf.org Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D015129512; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 03:09:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: rmcat-chairs@ietf.org, csp@cperkins.net, ietf@kuehlewind.net, rmcat@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149639817117.31788.5507767981559868855.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 03:09:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [rmcat] rmcat - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:09:31 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Dr. Colin Perkins, a Chair of the rmcat working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Colin Perkins Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: avtcore avtext irtfopen maprg mmusic rtcweb taps tsvarea tsvwg xrblock tcpm iccrg Second Priority: artarea dispatch People who must be present: Dr. Colin Perkins Martin Stiemerling Mirja Kuehlewind Anna Brunstrom Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Jun 2 03:15:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0708212E05C for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 03:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sLSQyrYnmE3a for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 03:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balrog.mythic-beasts.com (balrog.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:82:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C308126DED for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 03:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.209.247.112] (port=60850 helo=mangole.dcs.gla.ac.uk) by balrog.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dGjbp-0003Ps-DU for rmcat@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 11:15:09 +0100 From: Colin Perkins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:15:04 +0100 References: <149639817117.31788.5507767981559868855.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "rmcat@ietf.org WG" In-Reply-To: <149639817117.31788.5507767981559868855.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: -28 X-Mythic-Debug: State = no_sa; Score = Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rmcat] rmcat - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:15:13 -0000 RMCAT working group: We=E2=80=99ve requested a meeting slot for RMCAT at IETF 99 in Prague. = If any of the document editors, or other key participants, have = conflicts to avoid with working groups that aren=E2=80=99t mentioned = below, please let the chairs know today so we can update the request. Thanks, Colin (as WG co-chair) > On 2 Jun 2017, at 11:09, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Dr. Colin = Perkins, a Chair of the rmcat working group. >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Working Group Name: RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques > Area Name: Transport Area > Session Requester: Colin Perkins >=20 > Number of Sessions: 1 > Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours > Number of Attendees: 30 > Conflicts to Avoid:=20 > First Priority: avtcore avtext irtfopen maprg mmusic rtcweb taps = tsvarea tsvwg xrblock tcpm iccrg > Second Priority: artarea dispatch >=20 >=20 >=20 > People who must be present: > Dr. Colin Perkins > Martin Stiemerling > Mirja Kuehlewind > Anna Brunstrom >=20 > Resources Requested: >=20 > Special Requests: >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- --=20 Colin Perkins https://csperkins.org/ From nobody Fri Jun 2 11:40:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietf.org Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285631298A1 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149642884616.31830.4571027089536095079.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 11:40:46 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [rmcat] Milestones changed for rmcat WG X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 18:40:46 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit first congestion control candidate to IESG for Experimental publication", set due date to July 2017 from December 2015, added draft-ietf-rmcat-nada, draft-ietf-rmcat-scream-cc to milestone. Changed milestone "Submit identifying and controlling groups of flows to IESG for Experimental publication", set due date to July 2017 from December 2015. Changed milestone "Submit requirements and evaluation criteria to IESG as Informational", set due date to August 2017 from December 2015. Changed milestone "Submit RTCP extension requirements for use with congestion control algorithms to AVTCORE (if needed)", set due date to August 2017 from December 2015. Changed milestone "Submit interactions between applications and RTP flows to IESG as Informational", set due date to March 2018 from December 2015. Changed milestone "Publish first draft of evaluation results", set due date to March 2018 from February 2016. Changed milestone "Publish first draft of Standards Track congestion control algorithm", set due date to March 2018 from February 2016. Changed milestone "Publish first draft of techniques to detect, instrument or diagnose failing to meet RT schedules", set due date to March 2018 from February 2016. Changed milestone "Submit techniques to detect, instrument or diagnose failing to meet RT schedules to IESG as Informational", set due date to July 2018 from June 2016. Changed milestone "Submit congestion control to IESG for Proposed Standard", set due date to November 2018 from October 2016. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/rmcat/about/ From nobody Thu Jun 8 08:38:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietf.org Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0FF128C81; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rmcat@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.54.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149693631206.15142.2716326614307220850@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:38:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [rmcat] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07.txt X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 15:38:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques of the IETF. Title : Shared Bottleneck Detection for Coupled Congestion Control for RTP Media. Authors : David Hayes Simone Ferlin Michael Welzl Kristian Hiorth Filename : draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-06-08 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism to detect whether end-to-end data flows share a common bottleneck. It relies on summary statistics that are calculated based on continuous measurements and used as input to a grouping algorithm that runs wherever the knowledge is needed. This mechanism complements the coupled congestion control mechanism in draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 15:44:27 -0000 Hi, This is an update of the draft that hopefully addresses all of the review comments (Thank you Colin!). Most changes are minor, the biggest change is the addition of a picture to illustrate the simple grouping algorithm. Kind regards, David On Thu, Jun 08 2017 at 17:38, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07.txt > has been successfully submitted by David Hayes and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd > Revision: 07 > Title: Shared Bottleneck Detection for Coupled Congestion Control for RTP Media. > Document date: 2017-06-08 > Group: rmcat > Pages: 25 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 > > Abstract: > This document describes a mechanism to detect whether end-to-end data > flows share a common bottleneck. It relies on summary statistics > that are calculated based on continuous measurements and used as > input to a grouping algorithm that runs wherever the knowledge is > needed. This mechanism complements the coupled congestion control > mechanism in draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat -- David Hayes From nobody Thu Jun 8 15:45:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EDF129AF3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXXrQgNa3f3i for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haggis.mythic-beasts.com (haggis.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A60E61292D3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [81.187.2.149] (port=42231 helo=[192.168.0.71]) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dJ6BG-0001QM-T8; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 23:45:31 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Colin Perkins In-Reply-To: <87efuu7acr.fsf@simula.no> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 23:45:27 +0100 Cc: rmcat@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2635D2FD-A79C-4444-ACEC-073EDFF7308B@csperkins.org> References: <149693631224.15142.17810899462480994710.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <87efuu7acr.fsf@simula.no> To: David Hayes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: -28 X-Mythic-Debug: State = no_sa; Score = Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rmcat] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07.txt X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 22:45:36 -0000 Hi David, Thanks for making this update, and apologies for not responding earlier. = The addition of the diagram and the new text around it helps = tremendously =E2=80=93 thank you! =E2=80=93 and I think most of my = concerns with the previous versions have been addressed. I do still have some comments, however:=20 Section 3.1.1 notes that the sender requires accurate OWD measurements, = and suggests that these can be provided by = draft-dt-rmcat-feedback-message. That draft provides relative one way = delay metrics, and can be used to derive RTT measures, but can=E2=80=99t = provide one way delay since the clocks aren=E2=80=99t synchronised. If = relative one way delay is sufficient, and I=E2=80=99d guess it is, it'd = be useful to clarify. Also in that section, =E2=80=9CThe mechanism performs its calculation = whenever it has received sufficient measurements in the feedback = messages to cover the T base time interval. The exact timing of these = calculations will depend on the frequency of the feedback message=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=93 I can see how to do this if the reporting interval is shorter = than T, although there may be aliasing issues if they=E2=80=99re similar = but out of phase. But, what should be done if the reporting interval is = significantly larger than T? The answer is perhaps that SBD puts = constraints on the RTCP reporting interval, but since that affects the = reporting overhead the constraints need to be clearly documented. Maybe = note that this bounds the maximum RTCP reporting interval based on the = recommended value of T given in section 2.2? Section 3.1.2: =E2=80=9Cthe agreed summary statistics SHOULD be fed = back=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 use of SHOULD implies that there are = circumstances when they might not be fed back. The draft should state = what these are (I guess, if the rate is being calculated at the = receiver, and the rate is fed back?). Section 5.1: =E2=80=9CTime stamp resolution such as that described by = [I-D.dt-rmcat-feedback-message] should be sufficient=E2=80=9D - I=E2=80=99= m a little confused, since that draft doesn=E2=80=99t discuss the = timestamp resolution. I think what this section is trying to say is that = the =E2=80=9CRTP media clock rate SHOULD be chosen to have resolution = less than one hundredth of the typical path=E2=80=99s range of = delays=E2=80=9D? However, the media clock rate is determined by the = payload format though, so this might not be possible to change. For = example, audio formats generally use 8kHz clock, video often 90kHz =E2=80=93= are these sufficient? Cheers, Colin > On 8 Jun 2017, at 16:44, David Hayes wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This is an update of the draft that hopefully addresses all of the > review comments (Thank you Colin!). Most changes are minor, the = biggest > change is the addition of a picture to illustrate the simple grouping > algorithm. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > David >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jun 08 2017 at 17:38, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07.txt >> has been successfully submitted by David Hayes and posted to the >> IETF repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd >> Revision: 07 >> Title: Shared Bottleneck Detection for Coupled = Congestion Control for RTP Media. >> Document date: 2017-06-08 >> Group: rmcat >> Pages: 25 >> URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07.txt >> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd/ >> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 >> Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 >> Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rmcat-sbd-07 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document describes a mechanism to detect whether end-to-end = data >> flows share a common bottleneck. It relies on summary statistics >> that are calculated based on continuous measurements and used as >> input to a grouping algorithm that runs wherever the knowledge is >> needed. This mechanism complements the coupled congestion control >> mechanism in draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 > -- > David Hayes >=20 --=20 Colin Perkins https://csperkins.org/ From nobody Thu Jun 22 02:27:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD2E129B08 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OGsPBspGbxct for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x231.google.com (mail-wr0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E69C129400 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x231.google.com with SMTP id c11so15004254wrc.3 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:27:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:reply-to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pwKP58JmtsuwZFQldDbUJIvySVOU4+GTM9F9JlCTp5A=; b=ZZgPlVSO3WnzZtfxUWNm4Qhsr1KyCdnq8IqCx2ly63/yWLRwPyBsear89J8ITQKIhc /hZQmNxGRDfh4rZB8GdGe4oEAKlCdF/WkX7Z82pQbBJRfMev3CogqnwxySpXtmdGUrMV P++voTMICAVvPdJ+iDFQYBibMcx53Zycgg/5p/BO4nvxsvrbMr+fX/jtOU0ahc0gRGw6 znQVge0ouBmL9ljDD9UkD2yIqgVugaZgnhnGGThbomnwmB9iAD0w6Pl3OBsAUTqNr7uN e+pAc5KeM1LaRII3BgnaMOybp0Rnjr58Xyfmce9zyFG2+vda0X4MQ0FhldfwRAq3bvWB MTFQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:reply-to:from:subject:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pwKP58JmtsuwZFQldDbUJIvySVOU4+GTM9F9JlCTp5A=; b=Rfu3QFt82Gh50sc8zqadt4Gel06NmqbXyTmiAQFPhnXp1ELcgoroI9RswWStN2oJui /7U9jb17COlDZ1u9Hyw2IBwGF4FngnriBs5HXHpz/Rzp/lZfU1FfpdP9Z9X5mPaSl2dG MUmi76FprIXkd8Aqsynx59natWuBwCe2dmFlnZDoXv8bUYAmdfw2sIzzQUE8I79QDJ57 81wGcrEtdWTXeEvd/+MgL00AK4PfyDPfVaVS1QzSU+QpKTea0GuwdxEE8JtISmhleNxC xUM3E2UyAQinVVPutZOitqSQY+kVdUpDlt+uNxw5+TUn525upQJ9Of+pdWzNLFN/On9q 879Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwbx5YbLTRdBvzi7r6iOgHsItYdsTk5eY0oXimpNNIdBraAaz4A bTMzs1iU+guZy4pi X-Received: by 10.80.215.94 with SMTP id i30mr1859236edj.135.1498123632524; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2003:74:cf68:5744:586c:4468:fc3a:f83c? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:27:16 -0000 Dear all, Please send your agenda item for the RMCAT session at the IETF 99 in Prague to the RMCAT chairs. Deadline is June 29 23:59 UTC. Further, the chairs would like to discuss in the near future what potential next steps you see for the RMCAT WG, as we have a number of documents that will be progressed towards our AD and the IESG soon. Thanks, Martin for the RMCAT chairs From nobody Fri Jun 23 17:12:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietf.org Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5762312EB0E; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: rmcat@ietf.org, ietf@kuehlewind.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149826282935.7840.11035237909987886460.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:09 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [rmcat] rmcat - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: rmcat@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques \(RMCAT\) Working Group discussion list." 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Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. rmcat Session 1 (2:30:00) Wednesday, Morning Session I 0930-1200 Room Name: Karlin III size: 60 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Colin Perkins Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: avtcore avtext irtfopen maprg mmusic rtcweb taps tsvarea tsvwg xrblock tcpm iccrg Second Priority: artarea dispatch People who must be present: Dr. Colin Perkins Martin Stiemerling Mirja Kuehlewind Anna Brunstrom Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sun Jun 25 10:10:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rmcat@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554EF1201F2; 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Dear all,

The WGLC for NADA ended some time ago without any wg feedback. We still need a few reviews in order to progress the document. Note that even if you have no specific comments, but have read the document and find it ready for publication this is useful feedback.

Thanks for your help,
Anna


On 2017-04-05 11:30, Anna Brunstrom wrote:

This email announces a RMCAT Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on:

NADA: A Unified Congestion Control Scheme for Real-Time Media
draft-ietf-rmcat-nada

Due to Easter, this WGLC will run for 3 weeks, ending at midnight US Eastern Time on Tuesday, April 25.  Comments should preferably be sent to the rmcat@ietf.org list, although purely editorial comments may be sent directly to the authors at draft-ietf-rmcat-nada.authors@ietf.org - if doing so, please cc: the WG chairs at rmcat-chairs@tools.ietf.org.

We are looking for at least a couple of reviews during WGLC, so please help review the document.

Thanks,
Anna, Colin & Martin



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