From owner-routing-discussion Tue Sep 12 10:14:37 2000 Received: from alpha.tellium.com (alpha.tellium.com [151.198.92.2]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA04329 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tellium.com (node1.tellium.com [151.198.92.15]) by alpha.tellium.com (Switch-2.0.1/Switch-2.0.1) with ESMTP id e8CE7UM02227; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39BE398F.F992D026@tellium.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:11:27 -0400 From: Bala Rajagopalan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@uu.net, routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I regret to bring to your attention the following draft which was recently announced. Please be warned that I might apply for a BOF slot in the upcoming IETF meeting to discuss this topic. Regards, -- Bala Rajagopalan Tellium, Inc. 2 Crescent Place P.O. Box 901 Oceanport, NJ 07757-0901 Tel: (732) 923-4237 Fax: (732) 923-9804 Email: braja@tellium.com --------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from loki.ietf.org (loki.ietf.org [132.151.1.177]) by alpha.tellium.com (Switch-2.0.1/Switch-2.0.1) with ESMTP id e8CCJFM26831; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from adm@localhost) by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id HAA23809 for ietf-123-outbound.05@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [10.27.2.28]) by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23418 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA28552 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009121049.GAA28552@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:49:57 -0400 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : MPLampS: Electricity over IP (with an MPLS control plane) Author(s) : B. Rajagopalan Filename : draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 11-Sep-00 Mostly Pointless Lamp Switching (MPLampS) is an architecture for carrying electricity over IP (with an MPLS control plane). MPLampS has the potential to dramatically lower the price, ease the distribution and usage, and improve manageability of delivering electricity. This draft is motivated by such drafts as SONET/SDH over IP/MPLS [2,3] (with apologies to their authors). Readers of the previous drafts have been observed scratching their heads and muttering, 'What next?'. This draft answers that question. This draft has also been written as a public service. It was recently announced that the routing area will consider work items of the form 'foo-over-MPLS'. There are possibly many who are wondering how to exploit this opportunity and write random drafts to achieve prominence in the MPLS area. This draft illustrates the key ingredients that go into producing any 'foo-over-MPLS' draft and may be used as a template for all such work. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000911143321.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000911143321.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- --------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364-- From owner-routing-discussion Tue Sep 12 11:06:31 2000 Received: from fortress.fnc.fujitsu.com (fortress.fnc.fujitsu.com [204.253.82.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA05900 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rchsemx2.fnc.fujitsu.com (rchsemx2.fnc.fujitsu.com [167.254.105.13]) by fortress.fnc.fujitsu.com (8.8.7/FNC/ITG-2.0.1) with ESMTP id KAA07257; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: by rchsemx2.fnc.fujitsu.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dawkins, Spencer" To: "'mpls@UU.NET'" , "'routing-discussion@ietf.org'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bala, You ARE a genius. I note that you're about 180 degrees out of phase, because April Fool's Day was six months ago (or six months from now, whatever). To software guys like me, having your polarity reversed 180 degrees demonstrates your prowess with working code (or working SOMEthing?), which means that all you need NOW is rough consensus. Your draft would make consensus on almost any topic rougher. Therefore, we must be very close to IETF last call for mplamps as a proposed standard. Are you still looking for co-authors? Or is the only opportunity in interoperability testing, when you convince other implementers to stick their fingers into electrical outlets so we can advance mplamps to draft standard? This was great. Thanks for making my week! ("Please be warned ..." - I love it!) Spencer > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Rajagopalan [SMTP:braja@tellium.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:11 AM > To: mpls@UU.NET; routing-discussion@ietf.org > Subject: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] > > > I regret to bring to your attention the following draft which was > recently > announced. Please be warned that I might apply for a BOF slot in the > upcoming IETF meeting to discuss this topic. > > Regards, > > -- > > Bala Rajagopalan > Tellium, Inc. > 2 Crescent Place > P.O. Box 901 > Oceanport, NJ 07757-0901 > Tel: (732) 923-4237 > Fax: (732) 923-9804 > Email: braja@tellium.com > << Message: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt >> From owner-routing-discussion Tue Sep 12 11:21:41 2000 Received: from viper2.alleghenypower.com (viper2.alleghenypower.com [198.77.48.2]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA06520 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper2.alleghenypower.com (root@localhost) by viper2.alleghenypower.com with ESMTP id LAA24873 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009121521.LAA24863@viper2.alleghenypower.com> From: "Hull, Kenneth A." To: mpls@UU.NET, routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:21:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain This adds new meaning to flickering lights. We now have a visual indication of route flapping, slow convergence, etc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Rajagopalan [SMTP:braja@tellium.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:11 AM > To: mpls@UU.NET; routing-discussion@ietf.org > Subject: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] > > > I regret to bring to your attention the following draft which was > recently > announced. Please be warned that I might apply for a BOF slot in the > upcoming IETF meeting to discuss this topic. > > Regards, > > -- > > Bala Rajagopalan > Tellium, Inc. > 2 Crescent Place > P.O. Box 901 > Oceanport, NJ 07757-0901 > Tel: (732) 923-4237 > Fax: (732) 923-9804 > Email: braja@tellium.com > << Message: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt >> From owner-routing-discussion Tue Sep 12 12:43:19 2000 Received: from alcanet.it (ns.alcanet.it [194.243.74.35]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA08857 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tlvsdy.vim.tlt.alcatel.it ([151.98.8.244]) by ns.alcanet.it with SMTP id <29862>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:35:18 +0200 Received: from tlvhdk.netit.alcatel.it by tlvsdy.vim.tlt.alcatel.it (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA24096; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:37:53 +0200 Received: from netit.alcatel.it (tlvzhv.vim.tlt.alcatel.it [151.98.47.211]) by tlvhdk.netit.alcatel.it (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28602 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:39:19 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: <39BE5D0B.E822AF3B@netit.alcatel.it> From: Michele Fontana Organization: Alcatel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: auth 0a264d1c subscribe routing-discussion Michele.Fontana@netit.alcatel.it Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:35:17 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit auth 0a264d1c subscribe routing-discussion Michele.Fontana@netit.alcatel.it From owner-routing-discussion Thu Sep 14 09:47:16 2000 Received: from laptoy770.fictitious.org (laptoy-ether.fictitious.org [209.66.129.226] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA11962 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptoy770.fictitious.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by laptoy770.fictitious.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA73810; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:47:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from curtis@laptoy770.fictitious.org) Message-Id: <200009141347.JAA73810@laptoy770.fictitious.org> To: Bala Rajagopalan cc: mpls@UU.NET, routing-discussion@ietf.org Reply-To: curtis@avici.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:11:27 EDT." <39BE398F.F992D026@tellium.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:47:15 -0400 From: Curtis Villamizar In message <39BE398F.F992D026@tellium.com>, Bala Rajagopalan writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > I regret to bring to your attention the following draft which was > recently > announced. Please be warned that I might apply for a BOF slot in the > upcoming IETF meeting to discuss this topic. > > Regards, > > -- > > Bala Rajagopalan Bala, Are you applying for the position of Foo over Lambda Switching WG chair? The work seems to fit in with the direction of the OIF signaling WG. Curtis From owner-routing-discussion Thu Sep 14 10:07:09 2000 Received: from ertpg14e1.nortelnetworks.com (ertpg14e1.nortelnetworks.com [47.234.0.35]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA12358 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zrtpd004.us.nortel.com (actually zrtpd004) by ertpg14e1.nortelnetworks.com; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:06:16 -0400 Received: by zrtpd004.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:06:12 -0400 Message-ID: <03E3E0690542D211A1490000F80836F4029F986B@zcard00f.ca.nortel.com> From: "Peter Ashwood-Smith" To: "'curtis@avici.com'" , Bala Rajagopalan Cc: mpls@UU.NET, routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:06:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C01E54.EA081BE0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01E54.EA081BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Love the idea of a BOF but I have an even better idea. Lets create a FORUM for it with montly meetings in Hawaii. After all it will take ages for all our products to be mplamps compatible so these meetings would have to go on for ... years? Closed door interoperability testing would be held in some equally tropical place ;) Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Villamizar [SMTP:curtis@avici.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:47 AM To: Bala Rajagopalan Cc: mpls@UU.NET; routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] In message <39BE398F.F992D026@tellium.com>, Bala Rajagopalan writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > I regret to bring to your attention the following draft which was > recently > announced. Please be warned that I might apply for a BOF slot in the > upcoming IETF meeting to discuss this topic. > > Regards, > > -- > > Bala Rajagopalan Bala, Are you applying for the position of Foo over Lambda Switching WG chair? The work seems to fit in with the direction of the OIF signaling WG. Curtis ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01E54.EA081BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt]

Love the idea of a BOF but I  = have an even better idea. Lets create a FORUM for it with montly = meetings in Hawaii.  After all it will take ages for all our = products to be mplamps compatible so these meetings would have to go on = for ... years? Closed door interoperability testing would be held in = some equally tropical place ;)

Cheers,

Peter

    -----Original = Message-----
    From:   Curtis = Villamizar [SMTP:curtis@avici.com]
    Sent:   Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:47 AM
    To:     Bala Rajagopalan
    Cc:     mpls@UU.NET; routing-discussion@ietf.org
    Subject:       = Re: [Fwd: I-D = ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt]


    In message = <39BE398F.F992D026@tellium.com>, Bala Rajagopalan writes:
    > This is a multi-part message in = MIME format.
    > = --------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364
    > Content-Type: text/plain; = charset=3Dus-ascii
    > Content-Transfer-Encoding: = 7bit
    >
    >
    > I regret to bring to your = attention the following draft which was
    > recently
    > announced. Please be warned that = I might apply for a BOF slot in the
    > upcoming IETF meeting to discuss = this topic.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > --
    >
    > Bala Rajagopalan


    Bala,

    Are you applying for the position of = Foo over Lambda Switching WG
    chair?  The work seems to fit in = with the direction of the OIF
    signaling WG.

    Curtis

------_=_NextPart_001_01C01E54.EA081BE0-- From owner-routing-discussion Thu Sep 14 15:42:23 2000 Received: from bruatvpnt01 (smtp1.gtsgroup.com [195.158.230.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA23098 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brubhdpnt01.herten.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:41:52 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Gilis, Alexandre" Cc: routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:41:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" not a bad idea... ;) -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ashwood-Smith [mailto:petera@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:06 PM To: 'curtis@avici.com'; Bala Rajagopalan Cc: mpls@UU.NET; routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] Love the idea of a BOF but I have an even better idea. Lets create a FORUM for it with montly meetings in Hawaii. After all it will take ages for all our products to be mplamps compatible so these meetings would have to go on for ... years? Closed door interoperability testing would be held in some equally tropical place ;) Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Villamizar [SMTP:curtis@avici.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:47 AM To: Bala Rajagopalan Cc: mpls@UU.NET; routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bala-mplamps-00.txt] In message <39BE398F.F992D026@tellium.com>, Bala Rajagopalan writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------6EC2A1215DD71CBDCC0D0364 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > I regret to bring to your attention the following draft which was > recently > announced. Please be warned that I might apply for a BOF slot in the > upcoming IETF meeting to discuss this topic. > > Regards, > > -- > > Bala Rajagopalan Bala, Are you applying for the position of Foo over Lambda Switching WG chair? The work seems to fit in with the direction of the OIF signaling WG. Curtis