From adrian@olddog.co.uk Sun Nov 4 05:39:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9521F85D6; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 05:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.668 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.668 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.558, BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X46tv2xrl3j4; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 05:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CB521F85B0; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 05:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA4DdaDQ001949; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:39:38 GMT Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-46f8.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.70.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA4DdXU8001934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:39:34 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , , , "Allison Mankin" Subject: Meeting room for Routing ADs Office Hours Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:39:34 -0000 Message-ID: <007401cdba91$d506a860$7f13f920$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac26kdFvVf7lHKlTS/2ePj6KC2054w== Content-Language: en-gb X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 13:39:41 -0000 Hi, We will be in room 202 Sunday afternoon from 14.30 to 16.00 All welcome for discussion of specific, general, or non-existent issues. Adrian and Stewart From adrian@olddog.co.uk Mon Nov 5 08:16:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED0521F84E3; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:16:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.305 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.305 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.294, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ks3VN6K5wlHw; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6AF21F88FA; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA5GGt7M032351; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:16:55 GMT Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-13b5.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.19.181]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA5GGriM032341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:16:55 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Getting value out of face-to-face meetings Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:16:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01c201cdbb70$f9e220d0$eda66270$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac27cPiaGQKIdQPmT/C7l1GGOaBhIA== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: rtg-chairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:16:58 -0000 Hi,. It is probably a bit late for Atlanta unless you are feeling sore with your WG chair for leaving you off the agenda, but here are some notes I sent to the Routing chairs as they started to plan their meetings for IETF-85 I am sending it out more widely in response to a direct request. I should probably have done this anyway as, although the message was intended as guidance, the guidance applies to us all, not just to the chairs. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: 20 September 2012 13:18 > To: rtg-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: Agenda planning for Atlanta > > Hi, > > At about this stage in the cycle it would be good to start your agendas for > Atlanta. > > Try to think about what are the main discussion topics you have to cover, and > try to group together common issues. > > Recall that meeting time is valuable and is best spent debating issues. Long > series of short presentations on updates to drafts are not needed. Just say > no! If you need an excuse, then look at the amount of traffic on the mailing > list: no emails, no presentation! If it means your agenda is not full, end early. > You can free up valuable corridor time for people. > > It is also fine to allow presentations of new ideas (especially when in charter!) > > As you receive slides for your meetings, don't be afraid to push back. Tell the > presenters if they have too many slides. Help them to weed out repeat > presentations of "how my I-D works" - we don't need to hear that every > meeting. Try to get them to focus on the controversial bits, and to ask > questions of the WG: if they have no controversy and no questions, why > are they presenting? > > Obviously, looking at the slides means you need to get them in advance. This is > common courtesy from the presenters: if they can't get their slides out in > advance, then clearly they don't really want to present. It is also really > important for non-native speakers to be able to see the slides in advance > of the meeting, so please push hard to get the slides early, review them > yourselves, and get them posted in plenty of time (48 hours before the > meeting seems like a good target). > > Adrian > (I can also teach you how to suck eggs if you like!) From adrian@olddog.co.uk Thu Nov 29 10:37:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C7521F8B1D for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:37:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SoZhHRrplPzE for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FFB21F8B1B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qATIb7wW009854 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:37:07 GMT Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qATIb646009841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:37:07 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: The Format of RFCs Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:37:05 -0000 Message-ID: <020e01cdce60$889ac8c0$99d05a40$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac3OYFolWNFLC3vbTIO8crGkt4x/sg== Content-Language: en-gb X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:37:14 -0000 Care about the format of RFCs? Love ASCII art? Want to include mathematical symbols? Think you should be able to read an RFC on a small-screen device? Read https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rfc-format-flanagan/ This document will be progressed on the IAB stream. That means comments should be sent to the authors. You might want to also participate in the RFC Interest mailing list at https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest Cheers, Adrian