From nobody Wed Jul 12 09:39:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A70120721 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZttsu1JMlCM for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D82A128B8F for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10160; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1499877594; x=1501087194; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=Hw1hJwqZps6V+0emrOYfFoyt44p2jx9DVih0a4A9jT0=; b=Mj8edMwEmOvq65+pY2PU1sm4hR20n+WUGVtUx7tZa0qIb4m05S7mbCdp VKvkRwMmJK+T/l62lFSyMCUkcesoZiF58j+Q7L4/MN9Ot2BdCeoFU9zLG eyBlr9u7PgPHGDsFBJlqZtnbU+DG7VvcpVXiDZiD3wG/9DGKhQCDriOkP I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DTAADgT2ZZ/51dJa1dGgEBAQECAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QgBAQEBg1pkgRSOCZFwkFeFLIIRIQEKhUoCg1E/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsdC4UYAQI?= =?us-ascii?q?BAwEBZQEGBBcCARkBAgECKAcnCxQDBAIIAgQTFIk3ZBCvaIsiAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWDKINNgWErgnmERkQWgw2CMQWHIpAah2wCh0aDR4NHhTm?= =?us-ascii?q?CDIVLik6VUAEfOIEKdRVJEgGHAgF2hhqCPwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.40,350,1496102400"; d="scan'208,217";a="269192490" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Jul 2017 16:39:53 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (xch-rcd-001.cisco.com [173.37.102.11]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v6CGdrsr002802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 16:39:53 GMT Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:39:52 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:39:52 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "routing-discussion@ietf.org" Subject: Fwd: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG Thread-Topic: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG Thread-Index: AQHS+tcq0M5MiT0e+0qSEB1fBLqBdaJQZUpT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 16:39:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D7E648F54F174D0C803A3561273F0DC2ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 16:39:56 -0000 --_000_D7E648F54F174D0C803A3561273F0DC2ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI.. I believe there is a significant relationship to routing. This Proposed RG is unfortunately scheduled against the ideas BOF, so I won= 't be able to attend. For those not attending the ideas BOF, please make t= ime for panrg. Thanks! Alvaro. Thumb-typed and autocorrected.. Begin forwarded message: From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" > Date: July 12, 2017 at 2:21:47 AM EDT To: tsv-area@ietf.org Cc: panrg@irtf.org Subject: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG Greetings, all, We'll be having a first meeting of the proposed Path Aware Networking (PAN)= RG at IETF 99 in Prague next week, 13:30 Wednesday in Congress Hall 3. Sin= ce bringing path awareness to the endpoint has been the focus, at least in = part, of a couple of running TSV working groups (MPTCP, TAPS), this RG seem= s to be of general interest to the transport area. Olivier Bonaventure wil= l give a review and overview of research to date in this space, and Adrian = Perrig will present a fully path-aware Internet architecture, as an illustr= ation of what is possible when path-awareness is promoted to a first-order = goal. >From our proposed charter (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/panrg/about): The Internet architecture assumes a division between the end-to-end functionality of the transport layer and the properties of the path between= the endpoints. The path is assumed to be invisible, homogeneous, singular, with dynamics solely determined by the connectivity of the endpoints and the Int= ernet control plane. Endpoints have very little information about the paths over = which their traffic is carried, and no control at all beyond the destination addr= ess. Increased diversity in access networks, and ubiquitous mobile connectivity,= have made this architecture's assumptions about paths less tenable. Multipath protocols taking advantage of this mobile connectivity begin to show us a w= ay forward, though: if endpoints cannot control the path, at least they can determine the properties of the path by choosing among paths available to t= hem. This research group aims to support research in bringing path awareness to transport and application layer protocols, and to bring research in this sp= ace to the attention of the Internet engineering and protocol design community. The scope of work within the RG includes, but is not strictly limited to: - communication and discovery of information about the properties of a path= on local networks and in internetworks, exploration of trust and risk models associated with this information, and algorithms for path selection at endpoints based on this information. - algorithms for making transport-layer scheduling decisions based on information about path properties. - algorithms for reconciling path selection at endpoints with widely deploy= ed routing protocols and network operations best practices. The research group's scope overlaps with existing IETF and IRTF efforts, an= d will collaborate with groups chartered to work on multipath transport proto= cols (MPTCP, QUIC, TSVWG), congestion control in multiply-connected environments (ICCRG), and alternate routing architectures (e.g. LISP), and is related to the questions raised in the multiple recent BoF sessions that have addresse= d path awareness and multiply-connected networks (e.g. SPUD, PLUS, BANANA). he PAN(P)RG intends to meet at each IETF meeting until a determination is made whether or not to charter it. Afterward, the RG inten= ds to meet at 1-3 IETF meetings per year, and hold one workshop per year, colocat= ed with a related academic conference. _______________________________________________ Panrg mailing list Panrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg --_000_D7E648F54F174D0C803A3561273F0DC2ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI..

I believe there is a significant relationshi= p to routing.  

This Proposed RG is unfortunately scheduled = against the ideas BOF, so I won't be able to attend.  For those not at= tending the ideas BOF, please make time for panrg.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

Thumb-typed and autocorrected..

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>
Date: July 12, 2017 at 2:21:47 AM EDT
To: tsv-area@ietf.org
Cc: panrg@irtf.org
Subject: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG

Greetings, all,

We'll be having a first meeting of the proposed Path Aware Networking= (PAN) RG at IETF 99 in Prague next week, 13:30 Wednesday in Congress Hall = 3. Since bringing path awareness to the endpoint has been the focus, at lea= st in part, of a couple of running TSV working groups (MPTCP, TAPS), this RG seems to be of general interest = to the transport area.  Olivier Bonaventure will give a review and ove= rview of research to date in this space, and Adrian Perrig will present a f= ully path-aware Internet architecture, as an illustration of what is possible when path-awareness is promoted to = a first-order goal.

From our proposed charter (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/panrg/about):

The Internet architecture assumes a division between the end-to-end
functionality of the transport layer and the properties of the path b= etween the
endpoints. The path is assumed to be invisible, homogeneous, singular= , with
dynamics solely determined by the connectivity of the endpoints and t= he Internet
control plane. Endpoints have very little information about the paths= over which
their traffic is carried, and no control at all beyond the destinatio= n address.

Increased diversity in access networks, and ubiquitous mobile connect= ivity, have
made this architecture's assumptions about paths less tenable. Multip= ath
protocols taking advantage of this mobile connectivity begin to show = us a way
forward, though: if endpoints cannot control the path, at least they = can
determine the properties of the path by choosing among paths availabl= e to them.

This research group aims to support research in bringing path awarene= ss to
transport and application layer protocols, and to bring research in t= his space
to the attention of the Internet engineering and protocol design comm= unity.

The scope of work within the RG includes, but is not strictly limited= to:

- communication and discovery of information about the properties of = a path on
local networks and in internetworks, exploration of trust and risk mo= dels
associated with this information, and algorithms for path selection a= t
endpoints based on this information.

- algorithms for making transport-layer scheduling decisions based on=
information about path properties.

- algorithms for reconciling path selection at endpoints with widely = deployed
routing protocols and network operations best practices.

The research group's scope overlaps with existing IETF and IRTF effor= ts, and
will collaborate with groups chartered to work on multipath transport= protocols
(MPTCP, QUIC, TSVWG), congestion control in multiply-connected enviro= nments
(ICCRG), and alternate routing architectures (e.g. LISP), and is rela= ted to
the questions raised in the multiple recent BoF sessions that have ad= dressed
path awareness and multiply-connected networks (e.g. SPUD, PLUS, BANA= NA).

he PAN(P)RG intends to meet at each IETF meeting until a
determination is made whether or not to charter it. Afterward, the RG= intends to
meet at 1-3 IETF meetings per year, and hold one workshop per year, c= olocated
with a related academic conference.


_______________________________________________
Panrg mailing list
Panrg@irtf.org
https://www.i= rtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg
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([2607:fb90:2776:224f:745d:d9b0:156:819]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d24sm7615500pfk.43.2017.07.12.13.01.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-02548A83-B5A5-4D1E-B489-06A70F1C676E Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG From: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14F89) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:01:10 -0700 Cc: "routing-discussion@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <51B66033-7CFB-4309-8CB6-71AA49C62A1C@gmail.com> References: To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:01:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail-02548A83-B5A5-4D1E-B489-06A70F1C676E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same problem... Regards, Jeff > On Jul 12, 2017, at 09:39, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wro= te: >=20 > FYI.. >=20 > I believe there is a significant relationship to routing. =20 >=20 > This Proposed RG is unfortunately scheduled against the ideas BOF, so I wo= n't be able to attend. For those not attending the ideas BOF, please make t= ime for panrg. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > Thumb-typed and autocorrected.. >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" >> Date: July 12, 2017 at 2:21:47 AM EDT >> To: tsv-area@ietf.org >> Cc: panrg@irtf.org >> Subject: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG >>=20 >> Greetings, all, >>=20 >> We'll be having a first meeting of the proposed Path Aware Networking (PA= N) RG at IETF 99 in Prague next week, 13:30 Wednesday in Congress Hall 3. Si= nce bringing path awareness to the endpoint has been the focus, at least in p= art, of a couple of running TSV working groups (MPTCP, TAPS), this RG seems t= o be of general interest to the transport area. Olivier Bonaventure will gi= ve a review and overview of research to date in this space, and Adrian Perri= g will present a fully path-aware Internet architecture, as an illustration o= f what is possible when path-awareness is promoted to a first-order goal. >>=20 >> =46rom our proposed charter (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/panrg/abo= ut): >>=20 >> The Internet architecture assumes a division between the end-to-end >> functionality of the transport layer and the properties of the path betwe= en the >> endpoints. The path is assumed to be invisible, homogeneous, singular, wi= th >> dynamics solely determined by the connectivity of the endpoints and the I= nternet >> control plane. Endpoints have very little information about the paths ove= r which >> their traffic is carried, and no control at all beyond the destination ad= dress. >>=20 >> Increased diversity in access networks, and ubiquitous mobile connectivit= y, have >> made this architecture's assumptions about paths less tenable. Multipath >> protocols taking advantage of this mobile connectivity begin to show us a= way >> forward, though: if endpoints cannot control the path, at least they can >> determine the properties of the path by choosing among paths available to= them. >>=20 >> This research group aims to support research in bringing path awareness t= o >> transport and application layer protocols, and to bring research in this s= pace >> to the attention of the Internet engineering and protocol design communit= y. >>=20 >> The scope of work within the RG includes, but is not strictly limited to:= >>=20 >> - communication and discovery of information about the properties of a pa= th on >> local networks and in internetworks, exploration of trust and risk models= >> associated with this information, and algorithms for path selection at >> endpoints based on this information. >>=20 >> - algorithms for making transport-layer scheduling decisions based on >> information about path properties. >>=20 >> - algorithms for reconciling path selection at endpoints with widely depl= oyed >> routing protocols and network operations best practices. >>=20 >> The research group's scope overlaps with existing IETF and IRTF efforts, a= nd >> will collaborate with groups chartered to work on multipath transport pro= tocols >> (MPTCP, QUIC, TSVWG), congestion control in multiply-connected environmen= ts >> (ICCRG), and alternate routing architectures (e.g. LISP), and is related t= o >> the questions raised in the multiple recent BoF sessions that have addres= sed >> path awareness and multiply-connected networks (e.g. SPUD, PLUS, BANANA).= >>=20 >> he PAN(P)RG intends to meet at each IETF meeting until a >> determination is made whether or not to charter it. Afterward, the RG int= ends to >> meet at 1-3 IETF meetings per year, and hold one workshop per year, coloc= ated >> with a related academic conference. >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Panrg mailing list >> Panrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg > _______________________________________________ > routing-discussion mailing list > routing-discussion@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/routing-discussion --Apple-Mail-02548A83-B5A5-4D1E-B489-06A70F1C676E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Same problem...

Regards,
Jeff

On Jul 12, 2017, at 09:39, Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

FYI..

I believe there is a significant relationship to routing.  

This Proposed RG is unfortunately scheduled against the ideas BOF, so I won't be able to attend.  For those not attending the ideas BOF, please make time for panrg.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

Thumb-typed and autocorrected..

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>
Date: July 12, 2017 at 2:21:47 AM EDT
To: tsv-area@ietf.org
Cc: panrg@irtf.org
Subject: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG

Greetings, all,

We'll be having a first meeting of the proposed Path Aware Networking (PAN) RG at IETF 99 in Prague next week, 13:30 Wednesday in Congress Hall 3. Since bringing path awareness to the endpoint has been the focus, at least in part, of a couple of running TSV working groups (MPTCP, TAPS), this RG seems to be of general interest to the transport area.  Olivier Bonaventure will give a review and overview of research to date in this space, and Adrian Perrig will present a fully path-aware Internet architecture, as an illustration of what is possible when path-awareness is promoted to a first-order goal.

From our proposed charter (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/panrg/about):

The Internet architecture assumes a division between the end-to-end
functionality of the transport layer and the properties of the path between the
endpoints. The path is assumed to be invisible, homogeneous, singular, with
dynamics solely determined by the connectivity of the endpoints and the Internet
control plane. Endpoints have very little information about the paths over which
their traffic is carried, and no control at all beyond the destination address.

Increased diversity in access networks, and ubiquitous mobile connectivity, have
made this architecture's assumptions about paths less tenable. Multipath
protocols taking advantage of this mobile connectivity begin to show us a way
forward, though: if endpoints cannot control the path, at least they can
determine the properties of the path by choosing among paths available to them.

This research group aims to support research in bringing path awareness to
transport and application layer protocols, and to bring research in this space
to the attention of the Internet engineering and protocol design community.

The scope of work within the RG includes, but is not strictly limited to:

- communication and discovery of information about the properties of a path on
local networks and in internetworks, exploration of trust and risk models
associated with this information, and algorithms for path selection at
endpoints based on this information.

- algorithms for making transport-layer scheduling decisions based on
information about path properties.

- algorithms for reconciling path selection at endpoints with widely deployed
routing protocols and network operations best practices.

The research group's scope overlaps with existing IETF and IRTF efforts, and
will collaborate with groups chartered to work on multipath transport protocols
(MPTCP, QUIC, TSVWG), congestion control in multiply-connected environments
(ICCRG), and alternate routing architectures (e.g. LISP), and is related to
the questions raised in the multiple recent BoF sessions that have addressed
path awareness and multiply-connected networks (e.g. SPUD, PLUS, BANANA).

he PAN(P)RG intends to meet at each IETF meeting until a
determination is made whether or not to charter it. Afterward, the RG intends to
meet at 1-3 IETF meetings per year, and hold one workshop per year, colocated
with a related academic conference.


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--Apple-Mail-02548A83-B5A5-4D1E-B489-06A70F1C676E-- From nobody Wed Jul 12 13:16:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EA712EC3A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VVeyDqbQndFr for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C901317B8 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C480058C4EC; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:16:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id AD45CB0C575; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:16:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:16:27 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG Message-ID: <20170712201627.GM31925@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <51B66033-7CFB-4309-8CB6-71AA49C62A1C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51B66033-7CFB-4309-8CB6-71AA49C62A1C@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:16:36 -0000 +1 Any chance to swap slots for panrg with something else ? On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 01:01:10PM -0700, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Same problem... > > Regards, > Jeff > > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 09:39, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > > > > FYI.. > > > > I believe there is a significant relationship to routing. > > > > This Proposed RG is unfortunately scheduled against the ideas BOF, so I won't be able to attend. For those not attending the ideas BOF, please make time for panrg. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Alvaro. > > > > Thumb-typed and autocorrected.. > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" > >> Date: July 12, 2017 at 2:21:47 AM EDT > >> To: tsv-area@ietf.org > >> Cc: panrg@irtf.org > >> Subject: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG > >> > >> Greetings, all, > >> > >> We'll be having a first meeting of the proposed Path Aware Networking (PAN) RG at IETF 99 in Prague next week, 13:30 Wednesday in Congress Hall 3. Since bringing path awareness to the endpoint has been the focus, at least in part, of a couple of running TSV working groups (MPTCP, TAPS), this RG seems to be of general interest to the transport area. Olivier Bonaventure will give a review and overview of research to date in this space, and Adrian Perrig will present a fully path-aware Internet architecture, as an illustration of what is possible when path-awareness is promoted to a first-order goal. > >> > >> From our proposed charter (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/panrg/about): > >> > >> The Internet architecture assumes a division between the end-to-end > >> functionality of the transport layer and the properties of the path between the > >> endpoints. The path is assumed to be invisible, homogeneous, singular, with > >> dynamics solely determined by the connectivity of the endpoints and the Internet > >> control plane. Endpoints have very little information about the paths over which > >> their traffic is carried, and no control at all beyond the destination address. > >> > >> Increased diversity in access networks, and ubiquitous mobile connectivity, have > >> made this architecture's assumptions about paths less tenable. Multipath > >> protocols taking advantage of this mobile connectivity begin to show us a way > >> forward, though: if endpoints cannot control the path, at least they can > >> determine the properties of the path by choosing among paths available to them. > >> > >> This research group aims to support research in bringing path awareness to > >> transport and application layer protocols, and to bring research in this space > >> to the attention of the Internet engineering and protocol design community. > >> > >> The scope of work within the RG includes, but is not strictly limited to: > >> > >> - communication and discovery of information about the properties of a path on > >> local networks and in internetworks, exploration of trust and risk models > >> associated with this information, and algorithms for path selection at > >> endpoints based on this information. > >> > >> - algorithms for making transport-layer scheduling decisions based on > >> information about path properties. > >> > >> - algorithms for reconciling path selection at endpoints with widely deployed > >> routing protocols and network operations best practices. > >> > >> The research group's scope overlaps with existing IETF and IRTF efforts, and > >> will collaborate with groups chartered to work on multipath transport protocols > >> (MPTCP, QUIC, TSVWG), congestion control in multiply-connected environments > >> (ICCRG), and alternate routing architectures (e.g. LISP), and is related to > >> the questions raised in the multiple recent BoF sessions that have addressed > >> path awareness and multiply-connected networks (e.g. SPUD, PLUS, BANANA). > >> > >> he PAN(P)RG intends to meet at each IETF meeting until a > >> determination is made whether or not to charter it. Afterward, the RG intends to > >> meet at 1-3 IETF meetings per year, and hold one workshop per year, colocated > >> with a related academic conference. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Panrg mailing list > >> Panrg@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg > > _______________________________________________ > > routing-discussion mailing list > > routing-discussion@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/routing-discussion > _______________________________________________ > routing-discussion mailing list > routing-discussion@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/routing-discussion -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Jul 12 13:18:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC81E12EC0B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Regards, Alia On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Jonathan Hardwick < Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> wrote: > The draft minutes for the RTGAREA meeting at IETF 99 are now available. > Please let me know if you have any comments. > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99/minutes/minutes-99-rtgarea-00.txt > > Best regards > Jon > > --f403045f4d1a0d5e980554d1b184 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jon,

Thank you very much for timely min= utes.

Regards,
Alia
--f403045f4d1a0d5e980554d1b184-- From nobody Sat Jul 22 00:15:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89E131BB3; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DeodEvQ9fC7e; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28013131BBF; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=62.168.35.67; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Alia Atlas'" , "'Jonathan Hardwick'" Cc: , , , References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Routing area draft minutes available Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 03:08:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01d302b9$6246f8a0$26d4e9e0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01D30297.DB375470" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHIgXUR/M54IQcJJFyUBF5aU/H4TACoToBgom8tRSA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:15:02 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D30297.DB375470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 =E2=80=93 I really appreciate all your hard work on RTG-DIR=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:55 AM To: Jonathan Hardwick Cc: routing-discussion@ietf.org; rtg-chairs@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; = rtg-ads@ietf.org Subject: Re: Routing area draft minutes available =20 Jon, =20 Thank you very much for timely minutes. =20 Regards, Alia =20 On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Jonathan Hardwick = wrote: The draft minutes for the RTGAREA meeting at IETF 99 are now available. = Please let me know if you have any comments. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99/minutes/minutes-99-rtgarea-00.txt Best regards Jon =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D30297.DB375470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1 =E2=80=93 I really appreciate all your hard work on RTG-DIR =

 

Sue

 

From:= = Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]
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To: Jonathan Hardwick
Cc: = routing-discussion@ietf.org; rtg-chairs@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; = rtg-ads@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Routing area draft minutes = available

 

Jon,

 

Thank you very much for timely = minutes.

 

Regards,

Alia

 

On Thu, = Jul 20, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Jonathan Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> = wrote:

The draft minutes for the RTGAREA meeting = at IETF 99 are now available.  Please let me know if you have any = comments.
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99/minutes/minutes-99-= rtgarea-00.txt

Best regards
Jon

 

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Please subscribe and start the = discussion! >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/dcrouting Did you mean https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcrouting? :-) > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > Thumb-typed and autocorrected.. >=20 > On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) = wrote: >=20 >> I will be setting up a mailing list in the next couple of days so = that we can focus the discussion there. > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Mon Jul 31 10:06:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: routing-discussion@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC2F129B40; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qSPNW1Tst955; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73C3C1326C4; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:05:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3042; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1501520748; x=1502730348; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=omstOCAhkMkdYZRBGqRdmpeM4BqGNdqRaVsypK59MU4=; b=DQ7ag6rvzpKuPdSQfcgT719QZtaT6o5PJRoLMJrBg4UcN8lquvy5C8dD EsWCFXtHYBinaeZ/lUR8v1A0UZlBAtVSr1TZM31/z2L2jpDzNNflMNMBF vZ39PQlGMWNKBX1S9K/EABwK7VMN2nA6TFmQkaPTUnrIi49yNZJtqXxil Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DfAQAdY39Z/4QNJK1bGgEBAQECAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QgBAQEBg1pkgRSODY95gUmQfoUvghIhAQqETE8ChAY/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsohRk?= =?us-ascii?q?CAQMBAWwLEAIBCAQgGwcnCxQRAgQBDQWHPYIOZBCwWotEAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBGAWDKINNggwLgnGIN4IxBZdhiA4ClCUMggCFUopflXEBHziBCnc?= =?us-ascii?q?VSRIBhwZ2ii8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,304,1498521600"; d="scan'208,217";a="463673413" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 31 Jul 2017 17:05:47 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (xch-rcd-004.cisco.com [173.37.102.14]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v6VH5lMj010361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:05:47 GMT Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) by XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (173.37.102.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:05:46 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:05:47 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" CC: "rtg-ads@ietf.org" Subject: Re: Routing in the DC - Next Steps Thread-Topic: Routing in the DC - Next Steps Thread-Index: AQHTBuhlO8jlpLakoECLslHbAbQDf6JuL4wlgAABJO8= Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:05:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <25899213-82D2-41B2-8097-F0BDE5FF59E7@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <25899213-82D2-41B2-8097-F0BDE5FF59E7@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EE0FA0E4149747A69D51F9D0621C5F43ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area General mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:05:57 -0000 --_000_EE0FA0E4149747A69D51F9D0621C5F43ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, here's the right link: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcrout= ing Thumb-typed and autocorrected.. On Jul 31, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) > wrote: Hi! I have received several private responses to this effort, all from people w= illing to contribute. :-) To make the discussion easier, I have asked for the creation of a new maili= ng list which is available now! Please subscribe and start the discussion! https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/dcrouting Thanks! Alvaro. Thumb-typed and autocorrected.. On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) > wrote: I will be setting up a mailing list in the next couple of days so that we c= an focus the discussion there. --_000_EE0FA0E4149747A69D51F9D0621C5F43ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, here's the right link:  https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcrouting


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Hi!

I have received several private responses to= this effort, all from people willing to contribute. :-)

To make the discussion easier, I have asked = for the creation of a new mailing list which is available now!  Please= subscribe and start the discussion!


Thanks!

Alvaro.

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On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

I will be setting up a mailing list in the next couple of days so that= we can focus the discussion there.
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