From rpsec-admin@ietf.org Tue Mar 12 17:16:38 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10169 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18264 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18248 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cnri.reston.va.us (cnri.reston.va.us [132.151.1.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10160 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hubris.cnri.reston.va.us (cnri-7-251.cnri.reston.va.us [132.151.7.251]) by cnri.reston.va.us (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CMGRF12594 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:16:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020312171123.00adab20@mailbox.cnri.reston.va.us> X-Sender: gcunning@mailbox.cnri.reston.va.us X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:11:30 -0500 To: rpsec@ietf.org From: Greg Cunningham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Rpsec] test 3 Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org test 3 _______________________________________________ Rpsec mailing list Rpsec@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From rpsec-admin@ietf.org Sat Mar 23 09:32:53 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA21965 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00635; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14418 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (uzura.cisco.com [64.102.17.77]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20928 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ruwhite-u10.cisco.com (ruwhite-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.251]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12083 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:15:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:15:31 -0500 (EST) From: Russ White Reply-To: Russ White To: rpsec@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [RPSEC] Draft minutes for Minneapolis '02 BOF Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org Y'all: Draft minutes are here: http://www.riw.to/rpsec/minutes-draft-mar02-01.txt And below.... Comments/thoughts/flames welcome. Russ __________________________________ riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone ----- Routing Protocol Security BOF Minutes from March 2002 IETF Minneapolis, Minnesota ----- Open the Meeting Presentation: Demensions of Routing Security Radia Perlman http://www.riw.to/rpsec/perlman-rpsec-mar02.pdf Presentation: Routing Protocol Security Requirements Sandy Murphy http://www.riw.to/rpsec/murphy-rpsec-mar02.ppt Comments from the microphone on the presenations (I probably didn't catch all of these) Other things that could be detected Anomolous route distribution Router which has been broken in to It's very hard to detect a subverting router (Radia) BGP can detect anomolies in data Registry of data isn't necessarily fast enough Things sometimes change too fast for the database to keep up 9/11, for instance Wireless topology and network mobility are important considerations Charter http://www.riw.to/rpsec/charter-rpsec-mar02.ppt http://www.riw.to/rpsec/charter-rpsec-draft-06.txt Comments from the micropohne on the charter What is it we're after? Attacks, mistakes, or....? (Sandy) Everything which affects routing protocols security at a protocol level Comments from Alex Z on the BOF Should we include attacking routing platforms? No, this is outside the protocols themselves Routing protocol authors need security direction Instead of focusing on requirements, focus on assets and risks Multicast routing security The MSEC group focuses on secure distribution in multicast Multicast routing protocol security should be included here Where should specific mechanisms be provided? Specific protocol changes should be done in the protocol working groups Frameworks should be here Routing protocols security related drafts can be presented here to focus on the security aspects, but they won't be WG items Should look beyond requirements, into architectures This relates specifically to building security into the architecture of the protocols themselves It's good to have a specific place to focus interaction between routing protocols and security folks Make certain we have a direction (Sue H) Survivability should be addressed If we document threats without documenting solutions, are we helping or not? Should this be a working group? Concensus through hum Should we work on charter before presenting to IESG? Concensus through hum _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From rpsec-admin@ietf.org Sun Mar 31 07:06:17 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22595 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21214; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21178 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (uzura.cisco.com [64.102.17.77]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22580 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ruwhite-u10.cisco.com (ruwhite-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.251]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27278 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:04:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 07:04:44 -0500 (EST) From: Russ White Reply-To: Russ White To: rpsec@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [RPSEC] test.... (nonull) Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org Testing.... one.... two..... three.... Can everyone hear me in the back? :-) Russ __________________________________ riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec