From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sat Feb 1 07:20:17 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04958 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h11COHp05357 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:24:17 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11COHJ05354 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:24:17 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04928 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11CMaJ05303; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:22:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11AO6J00773 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 05:24:06 -0500 Received: from kc-msxproto2.kc.umkc.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA03644 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 05:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from KC-MAIL4.kc.umkc.edu ([134.193.143.111] RDNS failed) by kc-msxproto2.kc.umkc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:23:12 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Accessing topology-related information behind firewalls Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:23:11 -0600 Message-ID: <5EF7D95E17BDAD4A968C812E5ABC390B02CF6F@KC-MAIL4.kc.umkc.edu> Thread-Topic: Re: [RPSEC] Accessing topology-related information behind firewalls Thread-Index: AcLJ2+wsYHP19osQTcuglMG1KyYjvA== From: "Ayyasamy, Senthilkumar (UMKC-Student)" To: , "riw@cisco.com" , > Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2003 10:23:12.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC93B880:01C2C9DB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h11AO6J00774 Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > Actually I'm trying to develop some algorithm and consecutively some open > > > source tool to detect the topology of large multi-subnet netwroks, and > > > consecutively the Internet in layer-2 (Data link layer), so that the tools > > > will be able to detect non-cooperative nodes like hubs besides routers and > > > other cooperative nodes. I'm not worried much about IP level. Instead, I'm > > > working in the MAC address level. > > > So far, I was able to develop some algorithms to detect layer-2 topology for > > > networks which are not behind a firewall, Can you give some more information on the algorithm off-list? > > > but I need to get some method to get > > > information about nodes protected by firewall so that I may able to use this > > > information to detect such network's layer-2 topology. But, where is the problem space? who needs to know l2 topology ( other that the network administrators- who already have a good documentation of their l2 topology.) Their is enough interest in topology inference at IP path/router level, since it gives us lot of useful information. The whole bunch of Content providers like akamai depends on such inference methods to place their servers. As for Russ reply: > > I don't really think it depends on a firewall in the middle, really. For > > instance, if you nat'ing, then you lose all sense of what the network > > inside the nat looks like (moreso if you are pat'ing, rather than nat'ing). > > If you are not nat'ing, and you are summarizing your advertisements, then > > you still lose most of the useful routing information, since you've no idea > > what subnets are actually reachable, what most of the prefix lengths are, > > etc. > > > ie--if you have 10.1.0.0/24, 10.1.1.0/24, 10.1.2.0/24, and 10.1.3.0/24 > > summarizaed into 10.1.0.0/22, then you've lost knowledge of what the > > broadcast addresses are within the network, and a sense of what servers are > > ocated on what segments from just the ip addresses. > > > > If, however, you are actually advertising destination subnets in your net, > > you're probably giving away information you should give away. > > > > Hiding information is generally good, I think.... Yes. I accept that *more the aggregation, the lesser the topology details.* If you go for a tracert based inference, Caida's skitter is the default option. The whole research community depends on them. Given the aggregation, how much of the backbone topology be inferred? http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/networking/rocketfuel/interactive/ Their are recent works to walk around the aggregation problem too. MIT researchers have worked on inferring topology by observing the frequency of BGP updates. http://www.nms.lcs.mit.edu/papers/clustering-imw2002.html Their clustering technique was same as the one previously applied by ATT researchers to indentify web clusters. But, still getting the total topology information is difficult. The technologies which has a flavour of connection-orientness (mpls etc.) become a big stumble block for taking accurate topology measurements. _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sat Feb 1 07:22:38 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04990 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h11CQbH05423 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:26:37 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11CQbJ05420 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:26:37 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04976 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11CP6J05397; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:25:06 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h11CLSJ05284 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:21:28 -0500 Received: from rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA04918 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h11CLN91021027; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ruwhite-u10.cisco.com (ruwhite-u10.cisco.com [64.102.48.251]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08845; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:20:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: Russ White Reply-To: Russ White To: Hasan Gobjuka cc: rpsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Accessing topology-related information behind firewalls In-Reply-To: <20030201031457.96546.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20030201031457.96546.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hmm.... That sounds quite interesting. Are you gleaning the l2 information from the subnets shown in the routing protocol? Or? :-) Russ On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Hasan Gobjuka wrote: > > Thank you Russ, > Actually I'm trying to develop some algorithm and consecutively some open source tool to detect the topology of large multi-subnet netwroks, and consecutively the Internet in layer-2 (Data link layer), so that the tools will be able to detect non-cooperative nodes like hubs besides routers and other cooperative nodes. I'm not worried much about IP level. Instead, I'm working in the MAC address level. > So far, I was able to develop some algorithms to detect layer-2 topology for networks which are not behind a firewall, but I need to get some method to get information about nodes protected by firewall so that I may able to use this information to detect such network's layer-2 topology. > > Russ White wrote: > My 2c.... > > I don't really think it depends on a firewall in the middle, really. For > instance, if you nat'ing, then you lose all sense of what the network > inside the nat looks like (moreso if you are pat'ing, rather than nat'ing). > If you are not nat'ing, and you are summarizing your advertisements, then > you still lose most of the useful routing information, since you've no idea > what subnets are actually reachable, what most of the prefix lengths are, > etc. > > ie--if you have 10.1.0.0/24, 10.1.1.0/24, 10.1.2.0/24, and 10.1.3.0/24 > summarizaed into 10.1.0.0/22, then you've lost knowledge of what the > broadcast addresses are within the network, and a sense of what servers are > located on what segments from just the ip addresses. > > If, however, you are actually advertising destination subnets in your net, > you're probably giving away information you should give away. > > Hiding information is generally good, I think.... > > :-) > > Russ > > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Hasan Gobjuka wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > Is there any way to get *useful* topology-related information from a firewall-protected network? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Sign up now __________________________________ riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 18 17:27:50 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10205 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1IMXaJ31587 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:33:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1IMXap31584 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:33:36 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10191 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1IMWQp31527; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:32:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1IMVqp31503 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:31:52 -0500 Received: from mesa.bbnplanet.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10126 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ttauber@localhost) by mesa.bbnplanet.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h1IMTMV06270 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mesa.bbnplanet.com: ttauber owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Tauber X-X-Sender: ttauber@mesa.bbnplanet.com To: rpsec@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi folks, As we're closing in on the finalization of the merged "Generic Threats to Routing Protocols" draft (to be posted soon), we have to get moving on the "Generic Requirements" draft. Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through the development of the Requirements draft. Who would like to work on this thing and can really dedicate some cycles to it? Please reply either to the list or to Russ and me privately. If there are concerns with this approach or you'd like to sugggest an alternative, send via the same paths as above. Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 19 11:23:11 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00415 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JGTKe23462 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:29:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JGTKp23459 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:29:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00405 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JGSMp23418; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:28:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JGAsp22182 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:10:54 -0500 Received: from presque.djinesys.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29844 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by presque.djinesys.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id h1JG83112572 for rpsec@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:08:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shares@nexthop.com) Received: from mail.corp.nexthop.com ([64.211.218.233]) by presque.djinesys.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h1JG7uC12559 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:07:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shares@nexthop.com) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:07:56 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Thread-Index: AcLXoHl76CD636gHR46LD7jewWGFvQAhU9ZA From: "Susan Hares" To: "Tony Tauber" , X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h1JGAtp22183 Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tony: I'd like to volunteer. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Tony Tauber [mailto:ttauber@genuity.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:29 PM To: rpsec@ietf.org Subject: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Hi folks, As we're closing in on the finalization of the merged "Generic Threats to Routing Protocols" draft (to be posted soon), we have to get moving on the "Generic Requirements" draft. Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through the development of the Requirements draft. Who would like to work on this thing and can really dedicate some cycles to it? Please reply either to the list or to Russ and me privately. If there are concerns with this approach or you'd like to sugggest an alternative, send via the same paths as above. Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 19 12:15:17 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01876 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JHLQa27675 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:21:26 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JHLQp27672 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:21:26 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01855 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JHJPp27565; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:19:25 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JH8sp26999 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:08:54 -0500 Received: from ims21.stu.nus.edu.sg (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01542 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mbxsrv26.stu.nus.edu.sg ([137.132.14.236]) by ims21.stu.nus.edu.sg with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:05:47 +0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:05:46 +0800 Message-ID: <6330DC96389A924A804F52FA3848930E02E07573@MBXSRV26.stu.nus.edu.sg> Thread-Topic: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Thread-Index: AcLYOSUbYpBZvrAARxeD/+HyO2Fv9w== From: "Marwaha Shivanajay" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2003 17:05:47.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[25609FA0:01C2D839] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h1JH8sp27000 Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I would like to volunteer for the development of the requirement draft. Yours truly, Shivanajay Marwaha *********************************************** www.geocities.com/shivanajaym Research Scholar, Electrical & Computer Engineering Dept. National University of Singapore. *********************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Tony Tauber [mailto:ttauber@genuity.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:29 PM To: rpsec@ietf.org Subject: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Hi folks, As we're closing in on the finalization of the merged "Generic Threats to Routing Protocols" draft (to be posted soon), we have to get moving on the "Generic Requirements" draft. Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through the development of the Requirements draft. Who would like to work on this thing and can really dedicate some cycles to it? Please reply either to the list or to Russ and me privately. If there are concerns with this approach or you'd like to sugggest an alternative, send via the same paths as above. Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 19 12:41:10 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02719 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JHlKu29495 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:47:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JHlKp29492 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:47:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02698 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JHkKp29448; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:46:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JHjxp29412 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:45:59 -0500 Received: from vmmr7.verisignmail.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02629 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from vmms1.verisignmail.com (vmms1.verisignmail.com [216.168.230.138] (may be forged)) by vmmr7.verisignmail.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with ESMTP id ORT48712; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from vmms1.verisignmail.com (localhost.verisignmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by vmms1.verisignmail.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with SMTP id QHF46582 (AUTH nigel@forever-networks.com); Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:42:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200302191742.QHF46582@vmms1.verisignmail.com> Received: from 192.77.198.11 by vmms1.verisignmail.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with HTTP/1.1; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:42:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:42:46 -0500 From: Nigel Clarke Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers To: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to volunteer. How much will I get paid ;-) ...Seriously, I'm interested. -- Nigel Clarke Network Security Engineer nigel@forever-networks.com _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 19 15:00:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07082 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JK6rB06197 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:06:53 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JK6rp06194 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:06:53 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07071 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JK5Yp06119; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:05:34 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JK4Op06088 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:04:24 -0500 Received: from sequoia.muada.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07017 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (iljitsch@localhost) by sequoia.muada.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h1JK1tS17974; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:01:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:01:55 +0100 (CET) From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Tony Tauber cc: Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030219205039.P61596-100000@sequoia.muada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Tony Tauber wrote: > As we're closing in on the finalization of the merged "Generic > Threats to Routing Protocols" draft (to be posted soon), we have to > get moving on the "Generic Requirements" draft. > Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ > had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a > "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through > the development of the Requirements draft. > Who would like to work on this thing and can really dedicate some > cycles to it? Please reply either to the list or to Russ and me > privately. If there are concerns with this approach or you'd like to > sugggest an alternative, send via the same paths as above. You guys have more experience with this, so tell me if I'm wrong, but... what exactly do we gain by working in a 6 - 8 person group rather than the "entire" working group/list? Obvouisly a small group needs to take point but I'm thinking more 1 - 2 people than 6 - 8 here. _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 19 15:36:39 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08125 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JKgrF09018 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:42:53 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JKgrp09014 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:42:53 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08097 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JKg7p08987; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:42:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JKfwp08970 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:41:58 -0500 Received: from presque.djinesys.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08073 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by presque.djinesys.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id h1JKcs222452; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhaas@jhaas.nexthop.com) Received: from jhaas.nexthop.com (jhaas.nexthop.com [64.211.218.31]) by presque.djinesys.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h1JKcoC22444; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhaas@jhaas.nexthop.com) Received: (from jhaas@localhost) by jhaas.nexthop.com (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h1JKcoV07438; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:50 -0500 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Iljitsch van Beijnum Cc: Tony Tauber , rpsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Message-ID: <20030219153850.E4549@nexthop.com> References: <20030219205039.P61596-100000@sequoia.muada.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030219205039.P61596-100000@sequoia.muada.com>; from iljitsch@muada.com on Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 09:01:55PM +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 09:01:55PM +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > You guys have more experience with this, so tell me if I'm wrong, but... > what exactly do we gain by working in a 6 - 8 person group rather than > the "entire" working group/list? Obvouisly a small group needs to take > point but I'm thinking more 1 - 2 people than 6 - 8 here. Not to speak for the WG chairs, but sometimes a focus group can accomplish a lot of the broad details of spec work in a shorter period of time. Once this has been accomplished, the focus group disbands and the general WG can get the details ironed out. If the WG decides that the focus group had missed basic things, either the WG can take over the work, or another focus group can be convened in order to attempt to incorporate the concerns. Note that those who voice concerns are often asked to be part of the focus groups. :-) -- Jeff Haas NextHop Technologies _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 19 17:42:54 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11499 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1JMnAN16647 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:49:10 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JMnAp16644 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:49:10 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11482 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JMmHp16583; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:48:17 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1JMlOp16532 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:47:24 -0500 Received: from pheriche.sun.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11438 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sydney.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.16]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25647 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:44:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from sr1-ubur-05 (sr1-ubur-05 [129.148.9.84]) by sydney.East.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with SMTP id h1JMiPM11691 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:44:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200302192244.h1JMiPM11691@sydney.East.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:44:25 -0500 (EST) From: Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking Reply-To: Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers To: rpsec@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: Va0TeFMGRMbf7qEzymOY4A== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.6_06 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I guess I'd like to volunteer, but might be a little bit flaky in terms of time...but I'll try. Radia _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 20 00:17:41 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA19740 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1K5O7q04773 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:24:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K5O7p04770 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:24:07 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA19735 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K5NFp04750; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:23:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K5Mxp04733 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:22:59 -0500 Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA19728 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id h1K5Jmv19582 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:49:48 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-k1-msg.wipro.com ([10.117.50.99]) by blr-m1-bh1.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:49:43 +0530 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:49:43 +0530 Message-ID: <4D148FEC6C003445B94D5B264288DBE96269A2@blr-k1-msg.wipro.com> Thread-Topic: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Thread-Index: AcLXoLgLvODpNFqcR3mhBWBOC0DBOgA/t6MA From: "Shankar Ananthanarayanan Kambat" To: "Tony Tauber" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2003 05:19:43.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD43B310:01C2D89F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h1K5Mxp04734 Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I would like to volunteer. Regards Shankar K A -----Original Message----- From: Tony Tauber [mailto:ttauber@genuity.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:59 AM To: rpsec@ietf.org Subject: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Hi folks, As we're closing in on the finalization of the merged "Generic Threats to Routing Protocols" draft (to be posted soon), we have to get moving on the "Generic Requirements" draft. Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through the development of the Requirements draft. Who would like to work on this thing and can really dedicate some cycles to it? Please reply either to the list or to Russ and me privately. If there are concerns with this approach or you'd like to sugggest an alternative, send via the same paths as above. Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 20 01:41:37 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA21372 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1K6m3w09447 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:48:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K6m3p09444 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:48:03 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA21364 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K6lHp09423; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:47:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1K6kup09393 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:46:56 -0500 Received: from hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA21280 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ii0015exch002u.wins.lucent.com (h135-254-246-205.lucent.com [135.254.246.205]) by hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h1K6hkF00574 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lucent.com (iidcw111.iidc.lucent.com [135.254.214.111]) by ii0015exch002u.wins.lucent.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FDRBKQK3; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:13:44 +0530 Message-ID: <3E547915.A05773DD@lucent.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:13:33 +0530 From: RajKumar Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Tauber CC: rpsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tony, I would like to volunteer. Regards, Rajkumar Tony Tauber wrote: > Hi folks, > > As we're closing in on the finalization of the merged "Generic > Threats to Routing Protocols" draft (to be posted soon), we have to > get moving on the "Generic Requirements" draft. > > Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ > had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a > "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through > the development of the Requirements draft. > > Who would like to work on this thing and can really dedicate some > cycles to it? Please reply either to the list or to Russ and me > privately. If there are concerns with this approach or you'd like to > sugggest an alternative, send via the same paths as above. > > Thanks, > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > RPSEC mailing list > RPSEC@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 20 11:14:54 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19796 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KGLWt25160 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:21:32 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KGLWp25157 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:21:32 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19772 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KGKbp25074; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:20:38 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KGIVp24901 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:18:31 -0500 Received: from aragorn.bbn.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19556 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.89.88.34] (comsec.bbn.com [128.89.88.34]) by aragorn.bbn.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h1KG8vpp013779; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:09:04 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kent@po2.bbn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:05:53 -0500 To: Tony Tauber From: Stephen Kent Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Cc: rpsec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Tony, I'll be glad to help out on this task. Steve _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 20 11:47:45 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20897 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KGsP728044 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:54:25 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KGsPp28041 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:54:25 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20852 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KGrap27876; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:53:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KGnFp27519 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:49:15 -0500 Received: from sparte.int-evry.fr (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20676 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpes.int-evry.fr (alpes.int-evry.fr [157.159.10.19]) by spartebis.int-evry.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 00B793F62E; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:58:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from sparte.int-evry.fr ([157.159.10.11]) by alpes.int-evry.fr (SAVSMTP 3.0.0.44) with SMTP id M2003022017455526437 ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:45:55 +0100 Received: from cthulhu.int-evry.fr (ivan.int-evry.fr [157.159.100.48]) by sparte.int-evry.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73093F62E; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:58:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from jjp by cthulhu.int-evry.fr with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18ltlr-0008FG-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:42:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:42:03 +0100 From: Jean-Jacques Puig To: Tony Tauber Cc: rpsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Message-ID: <20030220164203.GA31681@ivan.int-evry.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 05:29:22PM -0500, Tony Tauber wrote: > Hi folks, > > As we're closing in on the finalization of the merged "Generic > Threats to Routing Protocols" draft (to be posted soon), we have to > get moving on the "Generic Requirements" draft. > > Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ > had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a > "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through > the development of the Requirements draft. > > Who would like to work on this thing and can really dedicate some > cycles to it? Please reply either to the list or to Russ and me > privately. If there are concerns with this approach or you'd like to > sugggest an alternative, send via the same paths as above. I would like too volonteer too. (I surely have some cycles for this and it is directly linked to my studies) -- Jean-Jacques _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 20 12:23:16 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22051 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KHTud31281 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:29:56 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KHTup31278 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:29:56 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22034 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KHT9p31240; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:29:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KHS2p31158 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:28:02 -0500 Received: from sentry.gw.tislabs.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21964 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:20:51 -0500 (EST) From: sandy@tislabs.com Received: by sentry.gw.tislabs.com; id MAA19836; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from raven.gw.tislabs.com(10.33.1.50) by sentry.gw.tislabs.com via smap (V5.5) id xma019825; Thu, 20 Feb 03 12:24:35 -0500 Received: (from sandy@localhost) by raven.gw.tislabs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KHNq010672; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:23:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:23:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200302201723.h1KHNq010672@raven.gw.tislabs.com> To: ttauber@genuity.net Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers Cc: rpsec@ietf.org Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > Some volunteers are needed to help put this all together and Russ > had the idea, which seems reasonable on the face of it, to form a > "technical subgroup" of perhaps six or eight people to work through > the development of the Requirements draft. I would like to work on this also. --Sandy Murphy _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 20 14:25:25 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26373 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KJW7U08363 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:32:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJW7p08360 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:32:07 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26370 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJVCp08306; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:31:12 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KJV0p08256 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:31:00 -0500 Received: from sequoia.muada.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26338 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (iljitsch@localhost) by sequoia.muada.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h1KJS7G20259 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:28:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:28:07 +0100 (CET) From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers In-Reply-To: <200302201723.h1KHNq010672@raven.gw.tislabs.com> Message-ID: <20030220202323.Q61596-100000@sequoia.muada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > I would like to work on this also. See, this is what I mean: pretty much all active members of the group have volunteered. :-) I would also be happy to lend a hand if the fact that I'm not attending the SF meeting isn't a problem. Or I can wait and provide a fresh point of view when the subgroup is done. Iljitsch _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 20 15:36:23 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA28786 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1KKh6I14087 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:43:06 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KKh6p14084 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:43:06 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA28778 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KKgDp14013; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:42:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1KKfmp13954 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:41:48 -0500 Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA28692 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sydney.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.16]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07657; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr1-ubur-05 (sr1-ubur-05 [129.148.9.84]) by sydney.East.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with SMTP id h1KKcDM18794; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:38:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200302202038.h1KKcDM18794@sydney.East.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:38:13 -0500 (EST) From: Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking Reply-To: Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers To: rpsec@ietf.org, iljitsch@muada.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 7IxRllFy757DxNEedkUIMA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.6_06 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Iljitsch said: >>See, this is what I mean: pretty much all active members of the group >>have volunteered. :-) Maybe he's right, and the email list for this document should just be the regular list. The one nice thing about having specific volunteers is that people actually feel a sense of responsibility. What would probably be best is if there is one border collie that coordinates and nags the rest of us sheep. I'm volunteering to be a sheep. Radia _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 25 17:06:57 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA19668 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1PMGA703750 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:16:10 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PMGAp03747 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:16:10 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA19647 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PMEQp03660; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:14:29 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1PFiXp06201 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:44:33 -0500 Received: from polito.it (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA03552 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.192.1.125] (account d004316 HELO polito.it) by polito.it (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 4297019; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: <3E5B8CDC.8010300@polito.it> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:33:48 +0100 From: Marco Aime User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021202 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Tauber CC: rpsec@ietf.org, Corrado Derenale , Antonio Lioy Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As members of TORSEC (i.e. the Computer and Network Security Group at the Polythecnic of Turin, Italy - http://security.polito.it), we'd like to volunteer to your call. Two of us will actually work directly on the RPSEC task: - Marco Domenico Aime - PhD Student - main research interests & competencies: network security (current research activity is focused on security requirements in wireless networks, mainly 802.11-based ad-hoc networks), symmetric and asymmetric applied cryptography - Corrado Derenale - PhD Student - main research interests & competencies: network security (current research activity is focused on security requirements in IPv6 routing architecture), public-key certificate based systems We are currently involved in the EU funded project "6net" in the context of routing protocol security for IPv6 networks and our research activity is heavily focused on RPSEC topic. We are planning to dedicate, as a whole, a minimum of 30 man-hours per month directly to the RPSEC activity. I'm looking forward reading your answer. Best regards, Marco Aime -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Marco AIME Dipartimento di Automatica e Informatica Politecnico di Torino Addr: Via Cardinal Massaia 83, Torino, Italy Tel: +39 011 22102-44 Fax: +39 011 22102-29 Mail: m.aime@polito.it (marcodomenico.aime@polito.it) ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 27 11:28:16 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10285 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h1RGcKL00456 for rpsec-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:38:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RGcJp00453 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:38:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA10253 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RGbLp32564; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:37:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RGaop32082 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:36:50 -0500 Received: from relay.pair.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA10225 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7098 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2003 16:30:10 -0000 Received: from 208-59-250-149.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO simon.lepp.com) (208.59.250.149) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2003 16:30:10 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 208.59.250.149 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20030227112935.047e3ee0@lepp.com> X-Sender: marianne@lepp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:30:10 -0500 To: rpsec@ietf.org From: Marianne Lepp Subject: Re: [RPSEC] Requirements Subgroup Volunteers In-Reply-To: <200302202038.h1KKcDM18794@sydney.East.Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: rpsec-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: rpsec-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rpsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Routing Protocol Security Requirements List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I am a very good collie. And I don't bite. At 03:38 PM 2/20/2003 -0500, Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking wrote: >Iljitsch said: > > >>See, this is what I mean: pretty much all active members of the group > >>have volunteered. :-) > >Maybe he's right, and the email list for this document should just >be the regular list. The one nice thing about having specific volunteers >is that people actually feel a sense of responsibility. What would >probably be best is if there is one border collie that coordinates >and nags the rest of us sheep. I'm volunteering to be a sheep. > >Radia > >_______________________________________________ >RPSEC mailing list >RPSEC@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec Marianne Lepp 617-666-0640 home 617-645-9019 mobile Marianne@Lepp.com _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec