From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 02 14:41:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyuhH-0003F3-Ar; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:41:47 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IyuhG-000373-9C for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:41:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyuhF-00034o-Sd for rsn@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:41:45 -0500 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyuhA-0004ka-6f for rsn@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:41:45 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.155]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:41:14 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8351B.56112C8E" Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:42:54 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-00 thread-index: Acgse7PY8iGzi5huEdy88gANk8WjQAABNUowABbrUtAACvHJtwAAG5HQAADtRuAAABxr+QAANa5wAAAx6XAABMt1UABEGBrgAAAZtiAAAE2mggAnYF4gAGn6EeUBJBx48A== References: From: "DOHLER Mischa RD-TECH-GRE" To: "JP Vasseur" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2007 19:41:14.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CC66A40:01C8351B] X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1cf48fa9036ffb4df2242830d7b83ac1 Cc: rsn@ietf.org Subject: [RSN] RE: Comments on draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-00 X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8351B.56112C8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear JP, Sorry for the long silence but I was clogged up with some other work. Thanks for the comments! Please, find the replies inline. I have = attached an improved requirements draft. More comments are more than = welcome! Kind regards, Mischa. _______________________________________ Dr Mischa Dohler France Telecom R&D Senior Research Expert Tel: +33 4 76 76 45 14 Fax: +33 4 76 76 44 50 Mob: +33 6 74 70 86 75 http://perso.rd.francetelecom.fr/dohler _______________________________________ ... visit http://www.pimrc2008.org/ ... _______________________________________ -----Message d'origine----- De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : lundi 26 novembre 2007 23:08 =C0 : DOHLER Mischa RD-TECH-GRE; CHEGARAY Gabriel RD-TECH-GRE Cc : rsn@ietf.org Objet : Comments on draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-00 Hi Mischa and Gabriel, Excellent first draft. Please find below a few comments (skipping = comments on ID Nits/acronyms expansion/references/... Issues for the = moment): 1) Section 2: you may want to elaborate a bit more on what you refer to = as "repeaters". The following text may deserve further clarifications: Repeaters generally act as relays with the aim to close coverage and = routing gaps; examples of their use are: prolong the U-L2N=B9s lifetime, balance nodes=B9 energy depletion, build advanced sensing infrastructures. [MISCHA:] I have expanded on this section as you can see from the = attached doc. 2) " The battery life-time is usually in the order of 10-15 years, = rendering network lifetime maximization with battery-powered nodes = beyond this lifespan useless. " You may want to say that this is highly = application dependant since the frequency at which sensed data are sent = to the sink may substantially vary. [MISCHA:] We meant something different here. Due to leaks, etc, = batteries do not exist longer than 10-15 years, independent whether you = use them or not, or recharge them or not. Therefore, what we need are = protocols which optimize but not necessarily maximize network lifetime.=20 3) I do agree with your structured pattern statement wrt to L2N in urban = networks. That being said, we will very likely see more collaborative = scenarios with inter-device traffic flows. This is especially true if = network processing actions can be triggered upon the occurrence a set of = specific events, thus avoiding to rely on a central decision point. This = would undoubtedly help in saving energy and will decrease the reaction = time. Again fully agree with you on the current structured patterns but we = need to kind in mind that inter-device communication is likely to be = needed at some point. [MISCHA:] I am not sure it would save energy nor decrease reaction time; = however, you are right, it would avoid the reliance on a single or very = few access point(s). No need to say though that we as an operator are = not very keen on having inter-device communication taking place which is = avoiding our access points ;). Nonetheless, I understand the open nature = of the IETF and have hence added a phrase concerning this.=20 4) Typo section 4.1 " tenth of thousands" -> " tens of thousands" [MISCHA:] Thanks, corrected :). 5) " the routing protocol MUST support parameter constrained Routing" - = This is indeed one of the key functions that RL2N MUST achieve (also = true for industrial application). Just reword as dynamic/static node = constraints.=20 [MISCHA:] I am not sure what you mean here. 6) Section 4.1 " To this end, the routing protocol SHOULD support and = utilize this fact to facilitate scalability and parameter constrained = routing." -> You may want to elaborate here. I think that you refer to = the ability to make use of asymmetrical load balancing, to avoid traffic = concentration on a few specific paths as we get closer to the sink, = which is I think a key requirement. Is this also what you have in mind? [MISCHA:] Ok, I have explained in more details. 7) Section 4.5 " To this end, the routing protocols proposed in U-L2N = SHOULD support a variety of different devices without compromising the = operability and energy efficiency of the network." This section probably requires explanation. Is this (as I think) another = node constraint or are you thinking of another form of routing = constraint? [MISCHA:] The motivation of this section was based on the fact that we = plan to closely work with various MACs, such as IEEE 802.15.4, TSMP, = etc, which may or may not have an impact on routing protocols. This has = actually been stated clearly in the section and, unless you insist on = the contrary, I have decided not to expand this section. 8) In section 4.3 "For the latter, the protocol SHOULD support multicast and broadcast = addressing." - sounds more of a MUST to me. And then in section 4.6 " To this end, the routing protocol MUST support multicast, where the = routing protocol MUST provide the ability to route a packet towards a = single field device (unicast) or a set of devices, which explicitly (multicast) or implicitly (groupcast) belong to the same group/cast. " I guess that the bottom line is a MUST for multicast support. [MISCHA:] Yes, it is. I have corrected this. Thanks. 9) I would suggest to move " Convergence and route establishment times = SHOULD be significantly lower than the inverse of the smallest reporting = cycle." to a new scalability section where you could add number in term = of # nodes, ... That have been provided in section 2. [MISCHA:] Difficult one, because it is difficult to quantify scalability = as we have given in terms of "significantly lower than the inverse of = the smallest reporting cycle". We prefer to leave as is at the moment. 10) Latency: do you think that multi-topology routing is required in = light of these requirements? By MTR I refer to the ability to decompose = the network in multiple logical topologies based on their = characteristics (low delay, ...)? [MISCHA:] Maybe. Good idea. I have added this. Thanks. 11) Just a minor comment on the security section, which deals a large = set of L2Ns security issues, including non routing issues. We have time = to work on these in further revisions of the document and in light of = the security framework item. [MISCHA:] Ok, we will delete non-relevant parts if you feel this is = needed. Thanks. JP. > From: DOHLER Mischa RD-TECH-GRE > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:37:52 +0100 > To: > Cc: CHEGARAY Gabriel RD-TECH-GRE > Conversation: draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-00 > Subject: [RSN] draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-00 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > Please, find a first draft on urban lossy and low power networks=20 > attached to this email. There are still pieces missing and also IDNits = > still gives some warnings, but I think it should do for a first round=20 > of comments. >=20 > Thanks and kind regards, > Mischa. >=20 > _______________________________________ >=20 > Dr Mischa Dohler > France Telecom R&D > Senior Research Expert >=20 > Tel: +33 4 76 76 45 14 > Fax: +33 4 76 76 44 50 > Mob: +33 6 74 70 86 75 >=20 > http://perso.rd.francetelecom.fr/dohler > _______________________________________ >=20 > ... visit http://www.pimrc2008.org/ ... > _______________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8351B.56112C8E Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-01.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-01.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-dohler-rl2n-urban-routing-reqs-01.txt" 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8351B.56112C8E-- From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 03 14:52:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzHL8-0003gF-2b; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:52:26 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzHL6-0003d1-Up for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:52:24 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzHL6-0003XN-JT for rsn@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:52:24 -0500 Received: from mail.cimetrics.com ([209.213.78.18] helo=cimetrics.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzHL4-00039E-AZ for rsn@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:52:22 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:52:21 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: R2LN and building automation thread-index: Acg15gGaHBO+xxj/SpaMmlgqLttmQg== From: "James F. Butler" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36b1f8810cb91289d885dc8ab4fc8172 Cc: Subject: [RSN] R2LN and building automation X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1441501661==" Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1441501661== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C835E6.04AA9625" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C835E6.04AA9625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JP and everyone, =20 I would like to express my support for the R2LN effort. =20 In the commercial building controls industry, wireless communication is a very hot topic. Major manufacturers are actively marketing control products and systems that support wireless communication (see for example http://www.us.sbt.siemens.com/bau/products/Wireless/default.asp and http://www.johnsoncontrols.com/publish/us/en/products/building_efficienc y/products/control_systems/metasys/wireless_building.html). At present Zigbee seems to be the most popular "open" technology for wireless field-level networks, but I believe that IP-based wireless solutions that meet the requirements of HVAC control and lighting control would be welcomed by the building controls industry. =20 - Jim Butler Cimetrics Inc. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C835E6.04AA9625 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

JP and everyone,

 

I would like to express my support for the R2LN = effort.

 

In the commercial building controls industry, = wireless communication is a very hot topic.  Major manufacturers are = actively marketing control products and systems that support wireless = communication (see for example = http://www.us.sbt.siemens.com/bau/products/Wireless/default.asp and http://= www.johnsoncontrols.com/publish/us/en/products/building_efficiency/produc= ts/control_systems/metasys/wireless_building.html).  At present Zigbee seems to be the most popular “open” = technology for wireless field-level networks, but I believe that IP-based wireless solutions that meet the requirements of HVAC control and lighting = control would be welcomed by the building controls = industry.

 

- Jim Butler

  Cimetrics Inc.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C835E6.04AA9625-- --===============1441501661== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn --===============1441501661==-- From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 04 02:16:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzS1Q-0004ef-QM; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:16:48 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDuQ-0003SV-3G for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:12:38 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDuP-0003SA-PY for rsn@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:12:37 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDey-00048d-2M for rsn@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:56:40 -0500 Received: from mailx03.eud.schneider-electric.com ([205.167.7.41]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDex-0001G8-Bm for rsn@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:56:39 -0500 Received: from ateui02.Schneider-Electric.com ([10.198.14.10]) by mailX03.eud.schneider-electric.com with ESMTP id 2007120316562580-21153 ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:56:25 +0100 To: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.4 March 27, 2005 Message-ID: From: pierre.colle@fr.schneider-electric.com Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:56:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ATEUI02.Schneider-Electric.com/T/SVR/Schneider at 03/12/2007 16:56:35, Itemize by SMTP Server on AXEU3OUT.schneider-electric.com/X/SVR/SEIxtra at 12/03/2007 04:56:25 PM, Serialize by Router on AXEU3OUT.schneider-electric.com/X/SVR/SEIxtra at 12/03/2007 04:56:27 PM X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: d008c19e97860b8641c1851f84665a75 X-TMDA-Confirmed: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:12:37 -0500 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:16:47 -0500 Subject: [RSN] Schneider DInnov interest in RL2N working group X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1497191080==" Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org --===============1497191080== Content-type: multipart/related; Boundary="0__=4EBBF935DFC49A958f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF935DFC49A95" --0__=4EBBF935DFC49A958f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF935DFC49A95 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="1__=4EBBF935DFC49A958f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF935DFC49A95" --1__=4EBBF935DFC49A958f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF935DFC49A95 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I will not be able to attend next BOF meeting. So please find below Schneider Electric DInnov position regarding its creation. We see a strong interest in the creation of this working group about routing over lossy & low power networks. Schneider Electric is already proposing wireless solutions for both Hom= e, Building and Industrial markets. We are very interested to provide in this group our application requirements. Providing a standard IP based wireless routing solution would be useful= for our customers already using an IP infrastructure as it simplifies gatew= ay implementation. We would also like to create links between ZigBee and t= his working group. We think that a lot of work done by ZigBee might be re-u= sed. Sharing common approaches would also ease implementation of interoperab= le solutions. Best regards, Pierre Colle Schneider-Electric - SCT / DInnov Technopole 38TEC T3 37 quai Paul-Louis Merlin FR - 38050 Grenoble Cedex 9 +33 (0)4 76 57 30 19 / 34 30 19 pierre.colle@schneider-electric.com= --1__=4EBBF935DFC49A958f9e8a93df938690918c4EBBF935DFC49A95 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline

Hello,

I will not be able to attend next BOF meeting. So please find below Sch= neider Electric DInnov position regarding its creation.

We see a strong interest in the creation of this working group about ro= uting over lossy & low power networks.
Schneider Electric is already proposing wireless solutions for both Hom= e, Building and Industrial markets.
We are very interested to provide in this group our application require= ments.
Providing a standard IP based wireless routing solution would be useful= for our customers already using an IP infrastructure as it simplifies = gateway implementation. We would also like to create links between ZigB= ee and this working group. We think that a lot of work done by ZigBee m= ight be re-used.
Sharing common approaches would also ease implementation of interoperab= le solutions.

Best regards,

Pierre Colle
Schnei= der-Electric - SCT / DInnov
Technopole 38TEC T3
37 quai Paul-Louis Merlin
FR - 38050 Grenoble Cedex 9
+33 (0)4 76 57 30 19 / 34 30 19
pierre.coll= e@schneider-electric.com
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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============0245519789== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3279569282_36031420" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3279569282_36031420 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jim, Very useful feed-back. From: "James F. Butler" Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:52:21 -0500 To: Cc: JP Vasseur Conversation: R2LN and building automation Subject: R2LN and building automation JP and everyone, =20 I would like to express my support for the R2LN effort. =20 In the commercial building controls industry, wireless communication is a very hot topic. Major manufacturers are actively marketing control product= s and systems that support wireless communication (see for example http://www.us.sbt.siemens.com/bau/products/Wireless/default.asp and http://www.johnsoncontrols.com/publish/us/en/products/building_efficiency/p= r oducts/control_systems/metasys/wireless_building.html). At present Zigbee seems to be the most popular =B3open=B2 technology for wireless field-level networks, but I believe that IP-based wireless solutions that meet the requirements of HVAC control and lighting control would be welcomed by the building controls industry. =20 - Jim Butler Cimetrics Inc. --B_3279569282_36031420 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: R2LN and building automation Thank= s Jim, Very useful feed-back.


From: "James F. Butler&qu= ot; <jimbutler@cimetrics.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:52:21 -0500
To: <rsn@ietf.org>
Cc: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com>
Conversation: R2LN and building automation
Subject: R2LN and building automation

JP and everyone,
 
I would like to express my support for the R2LN effort.
 
In the commercial building controls industry, wireless communication is a v= ery hot topic.  Major manufacturers are actively marketing control prod= ucts and systems that support wireless communication (see for example http://w= ww.us.sbt.siemens.com/bau/products/Wireless/default.asp and http://www.johnsoncont= rols.com/publish/us/en/products/building_efficiency/products/control_systems= /metasys/wireless_building.html).  At present Zigbee seems to be th= e most popular “open” technology for wireless field-level networ= ks, but I believe that IP-based wireless solutions that meet the requirement= s of HVAC control and lighting control would be welcomed by the building con= trols industry.
 
- Jim Butler
  Cimetrics Inc.

 --B_3279569282_36031420-- --===============0245519789== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn --===============0245519789==-- From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 04 03:59:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzTcP-00051Q-2L; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:59:05 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzTcN-0004up-4Y for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:59:03 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzTcH-0004mA-Hp for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:58:57 -0500 Received: from bullseye.xbow.com ([72.3.142.148]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzTcH-0002fj-Ak for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:58:57 -0500 Received: from mail.xbow.com ([63.64.55.211]) by bullseye.xbow.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:58:48 -0800 Received: from 10.1.1.203 ([10.1.1.203]) by FRANKLIN.internal.xbow.com ([10.1.1.203]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:58:53 +0000 To: From: "Ralph Kling" Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 9:53:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c83653$e5151ef3$cb01010a@internal.xbow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VersaMail(c) Deluxe 2001-2002 3.5, Palm, Inc. X-Sender: rkling@xbow.com X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal thread-topic: R2LN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" thread-index: Acg2U+UVeliQZZcpSpaTUEyitpRywQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 08:58:48.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[E20457A0:01C83653] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [RSN] R2LN X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hi JP et al., thanks again for driving the R2LN effort. Crossbow Technology wants to express its support for this working group as we believe that IP based communication will be an important standard for the markets we serve. Best regards, Ralph Kling Chief Architect Crossbow Technology, Inc. _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 04 07:34:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzWzD-0005zN-QH; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:34:51 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzWzC-0005xw-LD for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:34:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzWzC-0005x9-BS for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:34:50 -0500 Received: from mail.ece.drexel.edu ([129.25.60.32]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzWzC-0002ve-0T for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:34:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ece.drexel.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E212833B62 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:31:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at coe.drexel.edu Received: from mail.ece.drexel.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ece.drexel.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8R8Wt1DFgaVB for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.ece.drexel.edu (sssl3.ece.drexel.edu [129.25.60.56]) by mail.ece.drexel.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1237033B60 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:31:26 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:31:40 -0500 From: jaudelice de Oliveira To: rsn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RSN] R2LN Organization: Drexel University Message-ID: <9d3c7e859d054cf7202b734a92f2da1f@coe.drexel.edu> X-Sender: jau@cbis.ece.drexel.edu User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jau@ece.drexel.edu List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I would also like to reiterate my support for the R2LN/ROLL effort. I wil= l not, unfortunately, be able to make it to Vancouver for the BOF, but plea= se count my vote for the creation of the WG. I look forward to it! Cheers, Jau. Jaudelice C. de Oliveira Assistant Professor ECE Dept., Drexel University Philadelphia, PA http://www.ece.drexel.edu/faculty/deoliveira/ ---- On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Ralph Kling wrote: Hi JP et al., thanks again for driving the R2LN effort. Crossbow Technology wants to express its support for this working group as we believe that IP based communication will be an important standard for the markets we serve. Best regards, Ralph Kling Chief Architect Crossbow Technology, Inc. _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn --=20 _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 04 14:10:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Izd9t-0008E9-Sp; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:10:17 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Izcwx-0005e8-1v for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:56:55 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Izcww-0005dq-O9 for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:56:54 -0500 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Izcwv-0000uf-0Y for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:56:54 -0500 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id lB4IuQmx009867; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:56:46 +0200 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:56:28 +0200 Received: from daebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.113]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:56:05 -0600 Received: from [10.243.4.251] ([10.243.4.251]) by daebe101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:56:05 -0600 Message-ID: <4755A2C4.6020800@nokia.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:56:04 -0800 From: "Charles E. Perkins" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jvasseur@cisco.com, dculler@archrock.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 18:56:05.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[52BB3CE0:01C836A7] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:10:17 -0500 Cc: rsn@ietf.org Subject: [RSN] [rl2n] meeting on Thursday X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hello J-P. and Dave, I had intended to be present at the [rl2n] meeting, but I have been called back to the office for urgent business on Thursday. Please register my support for forming a working group, and my support for the proposed charter. Regards, Charlie P. _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 04 14:14:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzdDa-0000sF-0A; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:14:06 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzdDX-0000mP-Ls for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:14:03 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzdDX-0000ke-7j for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:14:03 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzdDW-0006BB-VG for rsn@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:14:03 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2007 14:14:03 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lB4JE2w0012465; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:14:02 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lB4JDdCE009683; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:14:02 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:13:56 -0500 Received: from 10.21.70.61 ([10.21.70.61]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:13:55 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:54:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [RSN] R2LN From: JP Vasseur To: Ralph Kling , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [RSN] R2LN Thread-Index: Acg2U+UVeliQZZcpSpaTUEyitpRywQAUyzxa In-Reply-To: <001001c83653$e5151ef3$cb01010a@internal.xbow.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 19:13:56.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[D102E560:01C836A9] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=686; t=1196795642; x=1197659642; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[RSN]=20R2LN |Sender:=20 |To:=20Ralph=20Kling=20,=20; bh=kBgNzuYDc14k7THTuh5qjZ8gR4G/yKkbBQWsBUuu+uA=; b=UW2j0Kj3jJvKP5ocTWFYIQUOFG828CVNR7Zfcf3lyCo7v39Q9Cibv77Mg/OhFt8RdharqRq1 vduoFEOfRSUFw0LG897lN8KObh+rb5gCvA/VGXQI71FZH5zcG2LRXNqh; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Thanks Ralph, great feed-back. Cheers. JP. > From: Ralph Kling > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 9:53:00 +0100 > To: > Conversation: R2LN > Subject: [RSN] R2LN > > > Hi JP et al., > > thanks again for driving the R2LN effort. Crossbow Technology wants to express > its support for this working group as we believe that IP based communication > will be an important standard for the markets we serve. > > Best regards, > > Ralph Kling > Chief Architect > Crossbow Technology, Inc. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 05 03:18:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzpSy-0000a3-Nr; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:18:48 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzpQH-00041e-J2 for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:16:01 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzpQ9-00033y-IY for rsn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:15:53 -0500 Received: from grab.coslabs.com ([199.233.92.34]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzpQ8-0007cL-V1 for rsn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:15:53 -0500 Received: from [198.18.187.125] ([207.236.117.226]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB58FWo3020295; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:15:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [RSN] Re: R2LN and building automation From: Geoff Mulligan To: JP Vasseur In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:03:08 -0700 Message-Id: <1196841788.5559.2.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by grab.coslabs.com id lB58FWo3020295 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:18:47 -0500 Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org JP, I think that the ROLL WG is critically necessary to look at the issues surrounding routing over precisely the type of networks that 6lowpan anticipates using/building. I'll be at the BOF on Thursday and I support us moving forward with this working group. geoff On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 23:28 -0800, JP Vasseur wrote: > Thanks Jim, Very useful feed-back. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: "James F. Butler" > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:52:21 -0500 > To: > Cc: JP Vasseur > Conversation: R2LN and building automation > Subject: R2LN and building automation >=20 > JP and everyone, > =20 > I would like to express my support for the R2LN effort. > =20 > In the commercial building controls industry, wireless communication > is a very hot topic. Major manufacturers are actively marketing > control products and systems that support wireless communication (see > for example > http://www.us.sbt.siemens.com/bau/products/Wireless/default.asp and > http://www.johnsoncontrols.com/publish/us/en/products/building_efficien= cy/products/control_systems/metasys/wireless_building.html). At present = Zigbee seems to be the most popular =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D technology for= wireless field-level networks, but I believe that IP-based wireless solu= tions that meet the requirements of HVAC control and lighting control wou= ld be welcomed by the building controls industry. > =20 > - Jim Butler > Cimetrics Inc. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 05 12:20:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzxvC-00072u-6J; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:20:30 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IzxvB-00072k-76 for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:20:29 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzxvA-00072V-Dj for rsn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:20:28 -0500 Received: from mail.zen-sys.com ([195.215.56.170] helo=zensys17.zensys.local) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Izxv9-0002Wy-O3 for rsn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:20:28 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [RSN] R2LN Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: <6D9687E95918C04A8B30A7D6DA805A3E50E0F5@zensys17.zensys.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [RSN] R2LN Thread-Index: Acg2ch9KZyX0adGqTuuKK502jNzX8gA8FfbW References: <9d3c7e859d054cf7202b734a92f2da1f@coe.drexel.edu> From: "Anders Brandt" To: X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0804002070==" Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0804002070== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C83763.203EB2CB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C83763.203EB2CB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, =20 In the same way, I shall hereby express Zensys' active support of the R2LN/ROLL effort. I will be present at the BOF. =20 ------------- Anders Brandt Senior Software Architect Zensys ________________________________ From: jaudelice de Oliveira [mailto:jau@cbis.ece.drexel.edu] Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 1:31 PM To: rsn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RSN] R2LN Hi all, I would also like to reiterate my support for the R2LN/ROLL effort. I = will not, unfortunately, be able to make it to Vancouver for the BOF, but = please count my vote for the creation of the WG. I look forward to it! Cheers, Jau. Jaudelice C. de Oliveira Assistant Professor ECE Dept., Drexel University Philadelphia, PA http://www.ece.drexel.edu/faculty/deoliveira/ ---- On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Ralph Kling wrote: Hi JP et al., thanks again for driving the R2LN effort. Crossbow Technology wants to express its support for this working group as we believe that IP based communication will be an important standard for the markets we serve. Best regards, Ralph Kling Chief Architect Crossbow Technology, Inc. _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn -- _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C83763.203EB2CB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [RSN] R2LN=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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Anders = Brandt
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Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 1:31 = PM
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Subject: Re: [RSN] = R2LN

=0A=
=0A=

Hi all,

I would also like to reiterate my = support for the R2LN/ROLL effort. I will
not, unfortunately, be able = to make it to Vancouver for the BOF, but please
count my vote for the = creation of the WG. I look forward to = it!

Cheers,

Jau.

Jaudelice C. de = Oliveira
Assistant Professor
ECE Dept., Drexel = University
Philadelphia, PA
http://www.ece.dre= xel.edu/faculty/deoliveira/
----

On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:53 = AM, Ralph Kling wrote:

Hi JP et al.,

thanks again for = driving the R2LN effort. Crossbow Technology wants to
express its = support for this working group as we believe that IP = based
communication will be an important standard for the markets we = serve.

Best regards,

Ralph Kling
Chief = Architect
Crossbow Technology, = Inc.




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We're interested in developments regarding both home area networks and "smart cities". While we will not be in attendance, we'd like to express our support for this working group. James Pace Senior Director, Software Product Management Silver Spring Networks On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Anders Brandt wrote: > All, > > In the same way, I shall hereby express Zensys' active support > of the R2LN/ROLL effort. > I will be present at the BOF. > > ------------- > Anders Brandt > Senior Software Architect > Zensys > > From: jaudelice de Oliveira [mailto:jau@cbis.ece.drexel.edu] > Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 1:31 PM > To: rsn@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RSN] R2LN > > Hi all, > > I would also like to reiterate my support for the R2LN/ROLL effort. > I will > not, unfortunately, be able to make it to Vancouver for the BOF, > but please > count my vote for the creation of the WG. I look forward to it! > > Cheers, > > Jau. > > Jaudelice C. de Oliveira > Assistant Professor > ECE Dept., Drexel University > Philadelphia, PA > http://www.ece.drexel.edu/faculty/deoliveira/ > ---- > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Ralph Kling wrote: > > Hi JP et al., > > thanks again for driving the R2LN effort. Crossbow Technology wants to > express its support for this working group as we believe that IP based > communication will be an important standard for the markets we serve. > > Best regards, > > Ralph Kling > Chief Architect > Crossbow Technology, Inc. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn > -- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn --Apple-Mail-44--465945261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Silver Spring Networks builds IPv6-enabled networking products
for = largescale utility deployments. We're interested in = developments
regarding both home area networks and "smart = cities".

While= we will not be in attendance, we'd like to express our = support
for this working group.

James = Pace
Senior Director, Software Product = Management
Silver Spring Networks

On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:15 = AM, Anders Brandt wrote:

All,
=A0
In the same way, I shall=A0hereby=A0express = Zensys' active support
of the R2LN/ROLL effort.
I=A0will be present at the = BOF.
=A0
=
-------------
Anders Brandt
Senior Software = Architect
Zensys

From: jaudelice de Oliveira [mailto:jau@cbis.ece.drexel.edu= ]
Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 1:31 PM
To: rsn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [RSN] R2LN

Hi = all,

I would also like to reiterate my support for the R2LN/ROLL = effort. I will
not, unfortunately, be able to make it to Vancouver = for the BOF, but please
count my vote for the creation of the WG. I = look forward to it!

Cheers,

Jau.

Jaudelice C. de = Oliveira
Assistant Professor
ECE Dept., Drexel = University
Philadelphia, PA
http://www.ece.drex= el.edu/faculty/deoliveira/
----

On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:53 = AM, Ralph Kling wrote:

Hi JP et al.,

thanks again for = driving the R2LN effort. Crossbow Technology wants to
express its = support for this working group as we believe that IP = based
communication will be an important standard for the markets we = serve.

Best regards,

Ralph Kling
Chief = Architect
Crossbow Technology, = Inc.




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= --Apple-Mail-44--465945261-- --===============1742806848== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn --===============1742806848==-- From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 05 20:24:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J05Ta-0004uG-4Y; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:24:30 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J05TZ-0004rr-HV for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:24:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J05TZ-0004ri-6Y for rsn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:24:29 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J05TY-0002eh-Up for rsn@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:24:29 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k40so89144wah for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:24:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=siKjlrNxnprRl1zX1bZBeSt5RXmxMLc9ASuVC6WfIJI=; b=gvn1DBuwdEtE713lrVYLXJd7TbGSU49YQgZWz9jfSuXQ5e61wxQIyIC6R8jvJE8rriDap3FxK+otarI/0JBd8uF5NjON5ftYyNq+Fv2V04XZKXGu86qbWIxtdIZkfO34YqFMvZzRonC6RubN26ep5KAtMNouRbeWcq0jN7n7JUY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C2lzZKGi+Av1ndGoUl7D1MZJ2prc8I664/ivrNrT0iqOgbBaJ7PEW6tYH314zXkD8is2/OXU+eipa3an93dPh8oDjaZkH7bFP2TVhDcX3pCbqP5OeDIBOGj947Kg61VmsNK6cq3xeygT5rBuc6g4qecD4u/Vn1GuL1T2izCv/X8= Received: by 10.142.203.13 with SMTP id a13mr1441861wfg.1196904266798; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.105.17 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:24:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <77f1dba80712051724v3902a241t3dbed158b853a208@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:24:26 +0900 From: "Eunsook \"Eunah\" Kim" To: "Geoff Mulligan" Subject: Re: [RSN] Re: R2LN and building automation In-Reply-To: <1196841788.5559.2.camel@dellx1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1196841788.5559.2.camel@dellx1> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hi, On 12/5/07, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > JP, > I think that the ROLL WG is critically necessary to look at the issues > surrounding routing over precisely the type of networks that 6lowpan > anticipates using/building. I second that! > > I'll be at the BOF on Thursday and I support us moving forward with this > working group. > I will be there too. :) -eunah _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 06 11:13:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0JML-0007jy-8n; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:13:57 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0JMJ-0007jP-SA for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:13:55 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0JMD-0006nU-4Y for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:13:49 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0JMA-000259-UO for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:13:49 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2007 08:13:46 -0800 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lB6GDkYW019464 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:13:46 -0800 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lB6GDj1f026771 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:13:46 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:13:45 -0500 Received: from 10.21.66.72 ([10.21.66.72]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:13:45 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:13:38 -0800 From: JP Vasseur To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Slides for the RL2N BOF this afternoon have been posted. Thread-Index: Acg4IvWQM+F+nKQWEdyp5QANk8WjQA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 16:13:45.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA1346F0:01C83822] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2; t=1196957626; x=1197821626; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Slides=20for=20the=20RL2N=20BOF=20this=20afternoon=20have=20b een=20posted. |Sender:=20; bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=; b=oN3IO9GPYOvPECIuDyzOSMc1p7ejrTQKnTYh633OxzUHv2HTjoDa7X9SS2KWJGHCAs2j8TVI Hu4HLFayl3CMYcq5ROsb0UM8HCF5oF+FSkhQsrQlKjX5znJFc3SMvKkx; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: bb8eae9af85e4fcfe76f325e38493bf4 Subject: [RSN] Slides for the RL2N BOF this afternoon have been posted. X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 06 19:25:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R2A-0007dl-AY; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:25:38 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R29-0007de-B5 for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:25:37 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R29-0007dW-0U for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:25:37 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.189]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R28-0006eP-Le for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:25:36 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d21so195826nfb for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:25:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=PwTjxLsx0ZnraJL97JZhGJRuq29UbFy0PVaRTduyOlA=; b=agkc1V78hpG0jI80h43zc+dM3wMZ8i6t+6VGZJEzjzwC4hcoPBq098tzBOPp8CCg/j3QGl948SPWe7/kE5W6cwFW1d4zZG42e7WaTjN8l2cm2wqEZibGwG93DtGJiQ5pUSXjA+AC9HN0YXgljsGnCsi0ECQXoiWOzawrtjMsQfc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YyrvG/loPcVf7npSHXEMlVQ64Wwb4zOBT8HjvmoGoXS4pju18PIMB/6ojOC8mxF6k3lrOazQs9kqYCzP2YQyzUF5kG8JVzSNjswSwqwctUsIqwbLSi4xO7byg1XIsUQEd4BW63kLbPM3tWH2H//688tFfFg+5Z3ENi+E5JCQe2A= Received: by 10.78.193.5 with SMTP id q5mr3097963huf.1196987135527; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.23.14 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:25:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <374005f30712061625o2dd527c9x649fc04cabe3254a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:55:35 +0530 From: "Ian Chakeres" To: rsn@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Subject: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org I wanted to ask a question about RSN/RL2N work scope. Is planned to be specific to networks with 802.15.4 radios and the 6lowpan format, or is it more general? Thanks. Ian _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 06 19:31:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R7X-0002gy-Sn; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:31:11 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R7W-0002Y5-41 for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:31:10 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R7V-0002Xw-Qn for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:31:09 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0R7V-0000I1-Hs for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:31:09 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d21so196575nfb for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:31:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=rL1W0qt9t4qQGg4L6vG8rmd9WLIx09OTjwgZt5StEhI=; b=YNL2LPI8Cbtg12FUcB248+WQHd1rbbnz3dZvea9O7oXsd15GEX2A8Yn9sybzC/5YCHGBevzzDlIZ6/lhnD8hJk6iTkcI4h0AFspPWcKOxPodhWYpU0OpxFGTyYivUfiEISAckaW2ytZzWxl/esKUi+sTiOpPzPQdchUFb2Np3Kc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QnB3MYn5PPT6ombwaUBUkHec4crTrsEo9miYaH9xTx9C6ox0AVY+hW3+zJuxE+VIp3oY9WcKP0ZkXFTGydBqXDJLOMR/Yxj91h5s90x4Uuh8wkRynjuAZNbbGEtmkSZ6OgFrdm7oZhJRSOmAud7xCK4ASTqaM/0P1RQwtS/hUDU= Received: by 10.78.139.14 with SMTP id m14mr3114860hud.1196987468703; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.23.14 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:31:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 06:01:08 +0530 From: "Ian Chakeres" To: rsn@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [RSN] Sleepy routers X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org >From the proposed charter and name of the group I know that low-power and lossy are two important components. I was wondering whether these routers sleeping most (95%+) of the time should also be elevated to this status. What do you think? Is the fact that routers are sleeping a lot one of the core issues that needs to be solved in this WG? Ian _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 06 20:18:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0Rqx-00083P-F0; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:18:07 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0Rqw-00083J-6B for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:18:06 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0Rqv-00083A-SF for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:18:05 -0500 Received: from saloits.com ([208.42.140.127] helo=newbsd.saloits.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0Rqv-0001kf-Ew for rsn@ietf.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:18:05 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-13aa.ietf70.org [130.129.19.170]) by newbsd.saloits.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB71HkwP017272 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:17:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from salo@saloits.com) Message-ID: <47589F35.30008@saloits.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:17:41 -0600 From: "Timothy J. Salo" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RSN] Sleepy routers References: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Ian Chakeres wrote: > From the proposed charter and name of the group I know that low-power > and lossy are two important components. I was wondering whether these > routers sleeping most (95%+) of the time should also be elevated to > this status. > > What do you think? Is the fact that routers are sleeping a lot one of > the core issues that needs to be solved in this WG? Cool! Hopefully, the working group will start by specifying the semantics of multicast in networks where most of the nodes are sleeping most of the time. Then, maybe, the working group can explain how to realize those semantics. -tjs _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 07 08:50:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0dbN-0006Yu-L3; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:50:49 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0dbM-0006Rv-IZ for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:50:48 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0dbF-0005sY-Hp for rsn@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:50:41 -0500 Received: from mail.zen-sys.com ([195.215.56.170] helo=zensys17.zensys.local) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0dbF-0004uP-0x for rsn@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:50:41 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <6D9687E95918C04A8B30A7D6DA805A3E50E10A@zensys17.zensys.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan Thread-Index: Acg4Z7RpbhgeuozzS9+oj+QOnztgiwAbriAG References: <374005f30712061625o2dd527c9x649fc04cabe3254a@mail.gmail.com> From: "Anders Brandt" To: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1294873582==" Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1294873582== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C838D8.2470AD6F" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C838D8.2470AD6F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian =20 In case 15.4 radio is used, 6lowPan formatting should of course be = considered. As mentioned during the BOF, 15.4 is just one radio technology out = there. Which is the best may depend on application and market segment. RSN/RL2N is about enabling systems across vendors and platforms that are = currently prevented from running (interoperable) IP solutions. =20 b.r., Anders Brandt ________________________________ From: Ian Chakeres [mailto:ian.chakeres@gmail.com] Sent: Fri 12/7/2007 1:25 AM To: rsn@ietf.org Subject: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan I wanted to ask a question about RSN/RL2N work scope. Is planned to be specific to networks with 802.15.4 radios and the 6lowpan format, or is it more general? Thanks. Ian _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C838D8.2470AD6F Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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In case 15.4 = radio is used, 6lowPan formatting should of course be = considered.
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I wanted to ask a question about RSN/RL2N work scope. = Is planned to be
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C838D8.2470AD6F-- --===============1294873582== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn --===============1294873582==-- From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 07 14:25:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0ior-0001jL-P4; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:25:05 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0ioq-0001iS-Hx for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:25:04 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0iop-0001i9-Io for rsn@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:25:03 -0500 Received: from gateway0.eecs.berkeley.edu ([169.229.60.93]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0ion-0004Gn-V3 for rsn@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:25:03 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-32-46.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.32.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.14.2/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lB7JOj97001763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:24:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47599DF7.1040404@eecs.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:24:39 -0800 From: Kris Pister User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Chakeres Subject: Re: [RSN] Sleepy routers References: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org I don't know if we need to address it directly, but I think that one of the really interesting questions is how to route over (one or more) L2s that have at least three orders of magnitude *configurable* tradeoff between two parameters of interest: data rate and lifetime. There are WSN protocols in use today which can be configured to operate anywhere from 100% duty cycle down to well under 0.1%, on a link-by-link basis. The simplest approach is to route with what is currently configured, and push the responsibility for configuration changes elsewhere. Perhaps there are existing protocols that do this? It seems like some of the existing traffic engineering work might be relevant. For example, I may know due to ND that I can talk directly to the final destination, but currently have no bandwidth configured (or not already spoken for) to do so. Where does the tradeoff between QoS, user preferences for node lifetime, routing, and L2 duty cycle configuration happen? I don't know how much, if any, of this fits in the scope of RoLL. In any case, it is interesting to study. ksjp Ian Chakeres wrote: > >From the proposed charter and name of the group I know that low-power > and lossy are two important components. I was wondering whether these > routers sleeping most (95%+) of the time should also be elevated to > this status. > > What do you think? Is the fact that routers are sleeping a lot one of > the core issues that needs to be solved in this WG? > > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn > _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 04:10:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhJ-0003LB-U2; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:09 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhI-0003G5-4l for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:08 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhC-0003F3-9H for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:02 -0500 Received: from grab.coslabs.com ([199.233.92.34]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhA-0000Pq-LU for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:02 -0500 Received: from [199.233.92.20] (dev20.coslabs.com [199.233.92.20]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB899Jn9012214; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:09:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [RSN] Sleepy routers From: Geoff Mulligan To: "Timothy J. Salo" In-Reply-To: <47589F35.30008@saloits.com> References: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> <47589F35.30008@saloits.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:48:49 -0700 Message-Id: <1197064129.6356.20.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Tim, What do you mean by saying most of the nodes are sleeping most of the time. Ian's question is much more insightful. There is a big difference between networks that have all of the routers awake all of the time and a network where the routers sleep. I have no idea which you mean. I understand what Ian means. geoff On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 19:17 -0600, Timothy J. Salo wrote: > Ian Chakeres wrote: > > From the proposed charter and name of the group I know that low-power > > and lossy are two important components. I was wondering whether these > > routers sleeping most (95%+) of the time should also be elevated to > > this status. > > > > What do you think? Is the fact that routers are sleeping a lot one of > > the core issues that needs to be solved in this WG? > > Cool! > > Hopefully, the working group will start by specifying the semantics > of multicast in networks where most of the nodes are sleeping most > of the time. > > Then, maybe, the working group can explain how to realize those > semantics. > > -tjs > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 04:10:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhS-0003ll-2x; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:18 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhQ-0003kg-BF for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:16 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhP-0003gq-U7 for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:15 -0500 Received: from grab.coslabs.com ([199.233.92.34]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhP-0002Yv-D0 for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:15 -0500 Received: from [199.233.92.20] (dev20.coslabs.com [199.233.92.20]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB89AA8n012223; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:10:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [RSN] Sleepy routers From: Geoff Mulligan To: Ian Chakeres In-Reply-To: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> References: <374005f30712061631p32943fdajb1c61e904a942e94@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:50:43 -0700 Message-Id: <1197064243.6356.25.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Ian, I don't know if one of the CORE issues, but I do think that it is an issue. geoff On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 06:01 +0530, Ian Chakeres wrote: > >From the proposed charter and name of the group I know that low-power > and lossy are two important components. I was wondering whether these > routers sleeping most (95%+) of the time should also be elevated to > this status. > > What do you think? Is the fact that routers are sleeping a lot one of > the core issues that needs to be solved in this WG? > > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 11:22:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12RW-0006M2-PF; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:18 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vim-0004Ko-8e for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:11:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vil-0004KY-VC for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:11:39 -0500 Received: from grab.coslabs.com ([199.233.92.34]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vil-0000UE-HS for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:11:39 -0500 Received: from [199.233.92.20] (dev20.coslabs.com [199.233.92.20]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB89Bc2q012275 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:11:38 -0700 (MST) From: Geoff Mulligan To: rsn@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:38:15 -0700 Message-Id: <1197067095.6356.70.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:17 -0500 Subject: [RSN] Working group name X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Did we decide to use ROLL rather than RL2N as the name for the potential working group? I think that David mentioned my term Lousy so I like Routing Over Lousy Links. David and JP thanks for the excellent meeting. geoff _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 11:22:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12RW-0006Lx-Km; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:18 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhU-0003s4-QN for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:20 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhU-0003rq-El for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:20 -0500 Received: from grab.coslabs.com ([199.233.92.34]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhT-0002ZJ-VN for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:20 -0500 Received: from [199.233.92.20] (dev20.coslabs.com [199.233.92.20]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB89AGl7012226; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:10:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan From: Geoff Mulligan To: Ian Chakeres In-Reply-To: <374005f30712061625o2dd527c9x649fc04cabe3254a@mail.gmail.com> References: <374005f30712061625o2dd527c9x649fc04cabe3254a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:54:00 -0700 Message-Id: <1197064440.6356.28.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:17 -0500 Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Ian, it is critical that this group address routing for 6lowpan. I think that it should possibly encompass other networks, but, selfishly, I want/need it to solve the routing for 6lowpans. geoff On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 05:55 +0530, Ian Chakeres wrote: > I wanted to ask a question about RSN/RL2N work scope. Is planned to be > specific to networks with 802.15.4 radios and the 6lowpan format, or > is it more general? > > Thanks. > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 11:22:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12RW-0006M2-PF; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:18 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vim-0004Ko-8e for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:11:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vil-0004KY-VC for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:11:39 -0500 Received: from grab.coslabs.com ([199.233.92.34]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vil-0000UE-HS for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:11:39 -0500 Received: from [199.233.92.20] (dev20.coslabs.com [199.233.92.20]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB89Bc2q012275 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:11:38 -0700 (MST) From: Geoff Mulligan To: rsn@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:38:15 -0700 Message-Id: <1197067095.6356.70.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:17 -0500 Subject: [RSN] Working group name X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Did we decide to use ROLL rather than RL2N as the name for the potential working group? I think that David mentioned my term Lousy so I like Routing Over Lousy Links. David and JP thanks for the excellent meeting. geoff _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 11:22:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12RW-0006Lx-Km; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:18 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhU-0003s4-QN for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:20 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhU-0003rq-El for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:20 -0500 Received: from grab.coslabs.com ([199.233.92.34]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J0vhT-0002ZJ-VN for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:20 -0500 Received: from [199.233.92.20] (dev20.coslabs.com [199.233.92.20]) by grab.coslabs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB89AGl7012226; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:10:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan From: Geoff Mulligan To: Ian Chakeres In-Reply-To: <374005f30712061625o2dd527c9x649fc04cabe3254a@mail.gmail.com> References: <374005f30712061625o2dd527c9x649fc04cabe3254a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:54:00 -0700 Message-Id: <1197064440.6356.28.camel@dellx1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:22:17 -0500 Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Ian, it is critical that this group address routing for 6lowpan. I think that it should possibly encompass other networks, but, selfishly, I want/need it to solve the routing for 6lowpans. geoff On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 05:55 +0530, Ian Chakeres wrote: > I wanted to ask a question about RSN/RL2N work scope. Is planned to be > specific to networks with 802.15.4 radios and the 6lowpan format, or > is it more general? > > Thanks. > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 11:26:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Vv-0000EA-W0; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:26:52 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Vu-0000Be-GO for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:26:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Vu-00008o-5E for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:26:50 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Vt-0008Ds-OV for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:26:50 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 11:26:49 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lB8GQnln026132; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:26:49 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lB8GQha8001719; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:26:49 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:26:43 -0500 Received: from 10.86.104.181 ([10.86.104.181]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:26:43 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:26:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan From: JP Vasseur To: Geoff Mulligan , Ian Chakeres Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan Thread-Index: Acg5txtOWZQjNKWqEdyHSAANk8WjQA== In-Reply-To: <1197064440.6356.28.camel@dellx1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2007 16:26:43.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EB55DA0:01C839B7] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1130; t=1197131209; x=1197995209; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[RSN]=20RSN/RL2N=20and=206lowpan |Sender:=20 |To:=20Geoff=20Mulligan=20,=20Ian=20Cha keres=20; bh=Gt79C3DhRg8YBBhb+ac6uHKEzhX+suvegD8SU068mJ4=; b=Nwtl9yf9p39DU0TI17eU6gVEDSlfRiOcGwfFVIADkbHOVLUupUKCA8rj4f JmYcaH/zb/enM+/C0oJCE6PIOPHl6pqBcVqj1ylgRF2KvLd6+9kTFSWk9/3j yTg0DUKD+1; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Simple answer: it is IP routing, thus routers could be interconnected by links of various nature: 802.15.4, low power Wifi, Wibree, ... Thanks. JP. > From: Geoff Mulligan > Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:54:00 -0700 > To: Ian Chakeres > Cc: > Subject: Re: [RSN] RSN/RL2N and 6lowpan > > Ian, it is critical that this group address routing for 6lowpan. I > think that it should possibly encompass other networks, but, selfishly, > I want/need it to solve the routing for 6lowpans. > > geoff > > On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 05:55 +0530, Ian Chakeres wrote: >> I wanted to ask a question about RSN/RL2N work scope. Is planned to be >> specific to networks with 802.15.4 radios and the 6lowpan format, or >> is it more general? >> >> Thanks. >> Ian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> RSN mailing list >> RSN@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 11:30:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Zj-0005jS-OE; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:30:47 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Zi-0005jL-9D for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:30:46 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Zh-0005jD-UP for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:30:45 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12Zh-0003po-HL for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:30:45 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 11:30:45 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lB8GUj2I021107; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:30:45 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lB8GUia8002625; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:30:44 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:30:44 -0500 Received: from 10.86.104.181 ([10.86.104.181]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:30:44 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:30:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [RSN] Sleepy routers From: JP Vasseur To: Kris Pister , Ian Chakeres Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [RSN] Sleepy routers Thread-Index: Acg5t6pb6PXS6aWqEdyHSAANk8WjQA== In-Reply-To: <47599DF7.1040404@eecs.berkeley.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2007 16:30:44.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE737620:01C839B7] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2322; t=1197131445; x=1197995445; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[RSN]=20Sleepy=20routers |Sender:=20 |To:=20Kris=20Pister=20,=0A=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20Ian=20Chakeres=20; bh=bE7JC00VX51gSqeL0G60nhVyj41+N5eyVxbWx0Z8kvE=; b=InASeFxvLawjiJgl5WOxJu4VCXe+YdcnKqAloPX3bCD3fpQDo71w8J5z8r BvkfQ1AZjT2bn306p/9LSy0kGAcMFhRije+vt7+RuktxTjSZi4UBtqVFGrPW Z5Su5AVbBx; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Nodes in L2Ns could be on sleep indeed. That being said (although certainly interesting), we would not work on networks comprising sleepy nodes that are non low power, interconnected with non lossy links (this is a DTN issue). Thanks. JP. > From: Kris Pister > Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:24:39 -0800 > To: Ian Chakeres > Cc: > Subject: Re: [RSN] Sleepy routers > > I don't know if we need to address it directly, but I think that one of > the really interesting questions is how to route over (one or more) L2s > that have at least three orders of magnitude *configurable* tradeoff > between two parameters of interest: data rate and lifetime. > There are WSN protocols in use today which can be configured to operate > anywhere from 100% duty cycle down to well under 0.1%, on a link-by-link > basis. > The simplest approach is to route with what is currently configured, and > push the responsibility for configuration changes elsewhere. Perhaps > there are existing protocols that do this? It seems like some of the > existing traffic engineering work might be relevant. > For example, I may know due to ND that I can talk directly to the final > destination, but currently have no bandwidth configured (or not already > spoken for) to do so. Where does the tradeoff between QoS, user > preferences for node lifetime, routing, and L2 duty cycle configuration > happen? > > I don't know how much, if any, of this fits in the scope of RoLL. In > any case, it is interesting to study. > > ksjp > > Ian Chakeres wrote: >>> From the proposed charter and name of the group I know that low-power >> and lossy are two important components. I was wondering whether these >> routers sleeping most (95%+) of the time should also be elevated to >> this status. >> >> What do you think? Is the fact that routers are sleeping a lot one of >> the core issues that needs to be solved in this WG? >> >> Ian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> RSN mailing list >> RSN@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn >> > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 11:34:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12ct-0000RY-2g; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:34:03 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J12cs-0000R8-3v for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:34:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12cr-0000Qz-QO for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J12cr-0008PF-Hg for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lB8GY191021806; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lB8GY1a8003272; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:34:01 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:34:00 -0500 Received: from 10.86.104.181 ([10.86.104.181]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:34:00 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:33:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [RSN] Working group name From: JP Vasseur To: Geoff Mulligan , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [RSN] Working group name Thread-Index: Acg5uB8vXfkUYqWrEdyHSAANk8WjQA== In-Reply-To: <1197067095.6356.70.camel@dellx1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2007 16:34:01.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[236D9910:01C839B8] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=691; t=1197131641; x=1197995641; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[RSN]=20Working=20group=20name |Sender:=20 |To:=20Geoff=20Mulligan=20,=20; bh=LJh9Gt/NwmdhaEby2OhCPwlv9AgivtH3ldRZfx0Oams=; b=hlw4BXwQdzLyMa98Rqborn13s5HDeqdwj9khbucbHa5Y087fAZczb+2Nnt ulR6Qv+q5YJJQN7Hh5OXt6BoBRRFJ7khQFfpz1YBBobgU9Jfg43m+RwHcssz UL1o9BwK1i; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hi Geoff, > From: Geoff Mulligan > Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:38:15 -0700 > To: > Subject: [RSN] Working group name > > Did we decide to use ROLL rather than RL2N as the name for the potential > working group? I think that David mentioned my term Lousy so I like > Routing Over Lousy Links. There was a very good consensus for ROLL: Routing Over Low power and Loosy networks > > David and JP thanks for the excellent meeting. Thanks, and thanks for your help. JP. > > geoff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 08 20:07:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1Adx-0005nI-EU; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:07:41 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J1Adw-0005cz-3H for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:07:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1Adv-0005cr-Pk for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:07:39 -0500 Received: from mail.sf.archrock.com ([64.147.171.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1Adv-0002ye-F9 for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:07:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sf.archrock.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699E9A964F; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:07:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -4.296 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.296 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.103, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.sf.archrock.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.sf.archrock.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H2FQpnW5AJPn; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sf.archrock.com (mail.sf.archrock.com [64.147.171.179]) by mail.sf.archrock.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9198EA9634; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: "David Culler" To: "'Geoff Mulligan'" , Subject: RE: [RSN] Working group name Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:07:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Acg5toiugw847/7jTK2Su0vEj4TKSAASTlYw In-Reply-To: <1197067095.6356.70.camel@dellx1> X-Originating-IP: [64.142.4.192] Message-ID: <3512068.40391197162455585.JavaMail.root@mail.sf.archrock.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Just to lighten things up. I think that, assuming the WG is approve, it will be ROLL. And roll it will do. -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Mulligan [mailto:geoff@mulligan.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:38 PM To: rsn@ietf.org Subject: [RSN] Working group name Did we decide to use ROLL rather than RL2N as the name for the potential working group? I think that David mentioned my term Lousy so I like Routing Over Lousy Links. David and JP thanks for the excellent meeting. geoff _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ RSN mailing list RSN@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn From rsn-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 10 13:12:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1n7O-00032J-6n; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:12:38 -0500 Received: from rsn by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J1CLB-0005qa-8r for rsn-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:56:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1CLA-0005nC-T7 for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:56:24 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.176]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1CLA-0005UN-An for rsn@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:56:24 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k40so3359077wah for ; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:56:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=dWLDPhQz5McY6aT/WsgEQA0TDvEkbzgVc9ly+g++7Qo=; b=Wf1+4Sv6tZd4oWFd8ajX6IUyu+ngQcvvlKND+/uIXxCXjIQwwS6yrf7alLxiMozYqQRfDsUV5Ela7Zd6wk85KQgHbtdGgv+zDAZ/M7e8xFIcNrdkPoiGTZijppwaBzm7m954KIGOb5ZYx17UcjvpyvXxYrbxljbhuc+aA9k/qS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gfUa7XZMu5zYd0xZ2ac2Ydj68LWB2kZjr362hym6acF6uF1KSXRQwa83YXiz4gzkSnaNWZiN+aZG0g0ppnJNn7tbe8PKIz+nYoshI+kkToNOvw6CHnNT73rQZrqwHNDW7oniAMHKv0bq12VHPqU7lrVvjg9FmwCqGgJJVPpPq9M= Received: by 10.114.61.1 with SMTP id j1mr1856376waa.1197168982425; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.75.4 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:56:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <99e1f5cb0712081856t7b9c23deudf25b88d03c0b9a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:56:22 -0700 From: "Geoff Mulligan" To: "David Culler" Subject: Re: [RSN] Working group name In-Reply-To: <3512068.40391197162455585.JavaMail.root@mail.sf.archrock.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1197067095.6356.70.camel@dellx1> <3512068.40391197162455585.JavaMail.root@mail.sf.archrock.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 55245b6def28cc8d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:12:37 -0500 Cc: rsn@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1191663489==" Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org --===============1191663489== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19333_29752699.1197168982421" ------=_Part_19333_29752699.1197168982421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Great. I still like Routing Over Lousy Links. geoff On Dec 8, 2007 6:07 PM, David Culler wrote: > Just to lighten things up. I think that, assuming the WG is approve, it > will be ROLL. And roll it will do. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Mulligan [mailto:geoff@mulligan.com] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:38 PM > To: rsn@ietf.org > Subject: [RSN] Working group name > > Did we decide to use ROLL rather than RL2N as the name for the potential > working group? I think that David mentioned my term Lousy so I like > Routing Over Lousy Links. > > David and JP thanks for the excellent meeting. > > geoff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn > > > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn > ------=_Part_19333_29752699.1197168982421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Great.  I still like Routing Over Lousy Links.

     geoff


On Dec 8, 2007 6:07 PM, David Culler <dculler@archrock.com> wrote:
Just to lighten things up.  I think that, assuming the WG is approve, it
will be ROLL.  And roll it will do.



-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mulligan [mailto: geoff@mulligan.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:38 PM
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Subject: [RSN] Working group name

Did we decide to use ROLL rather than RL2N as the name for the potential
working group?  I think that David mentioned my term Lousy so I like
Routing Over Lousy Links.

David and JP thanks for the excellent meeting.

       geoff




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Culler" Subject: [RSN] Draft Minutes of the RL2N BOF - IETF-70 have been posted X-BeenThere: rsn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Sensor Networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: rsn-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, The minutes of the RL2N BOF - IETF-70 have been posted: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/rl2n.txt Please let us know if you have any comment by Dec 31. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============1985878180== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3280761817_28230256" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3280761817_28230256 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I re-organized and updated the non official web site (www.employees.org/~jvasseur): 1. A few words of Terminology 2. Brief Introduction 3. RL2N presentation Routing Area meeting =AD IETF-69 new 4. Pre-WG Meeting Boston November 15 new 5. RL2N BOF =AD IETF-70: Slides and Minutes new 6. Proposed WG Charter updated 7. Internet Documents 8. Mailing List information Thanks. JP. --B_3280761817_28230256 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Update Hi,
I re-organized and updated the non official web site (www.employees.org/~jv= asseur):

1. A few words of Terminology
2. Brief Introduction
3. RL2N presentation Routing Area meeting – IETF-69 new
4. Pre-WG Meeting Boston November 15 new
5. RL2N BOF – IETF-70: Slides and Minutes new
6. Proposed WG Charter updated
7. Internet Documents
8. Mailing List information

Thanks.

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