From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon May 10 06:01:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CFC3A68F1; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:01:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.958, BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id owZST8-STrFC; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B343A68AF; Mon, 10 May 2010 06:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o4AD0tUA021093; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:01:28 +0300 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 10 May 2010 16:01:23 +0300 Received: from mgw-sa02.ext.nokia.com ([147.243.1.48]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 10 May 2010 16:01:23 +0300 Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.ext.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o4AD1Lox015228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 May 2010 16:01:21 +0300 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-984014797; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:01:14 +0300 Message-Id: To: tsvwg@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2010 13:01:23.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4337070:01CAF040] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: IAB IAB , "tsv-area@ietf.org Area" , The IESG , rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:01:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail-15-984014797 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, following the discussion during the IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how to = better review and progress extensions to (non-TE) RSVP and IntServ, the = transport area directors have formed a new RSVP directorate and given it = these tasks: * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services that is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working Group (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a work item. The directorate will continue to guide and review such new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as an RFC. =20 * Review of selected documents during IETF last call or under IESG review. The directorate monitors ongoing IETF work and should independently decide when a document will benefit from their review, assign a reviewer and enter into a follow-on discussion with the authors. When deemed necessary, the area directors will on occasion directly consult the directorate while forming their opinion on selected documents being under review by the IESG. =20 * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents may have relevance to several working groups, including TSVWG and MPLS-related groups such as MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure that drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the appropriate = MPLS-related WGs if necessary, and will bring drafts from the MPLS-related WGs to the attention of the TSV WG as appropriate. The directorate can be reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. Additional = information about the directorate is at = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate. 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Mon, 10 May 2010 18:09:19 GMT Message-Id: <201005101809.o4AI9JUB014538@sj-core-2.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:09:18 -0500 To: Lars Eggert , tsvwg@ietf.org From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:12:02 -0700 Cc: IAB IAB , "tsv-area@ietf.org Area" , The IESG , rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:10:41 -0000 Lars This is great news! James At 08:01 AM 5/10/2010, Lars Eggert wrote: >Hi, > >following the discussion during the IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how >to better review and progress extensions to (non-TE) RSVP and >IntServ, the transport area directors have formed a new RSVP >directorate and given it these tasks: > > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services that > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working Group > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > work item. The directorate will continue to guide and review such > new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as an RFC. > > * Review of selected documents during IETF last call or under IESG > review. The directorate monitors ongoing IETF work and should > independently decide when a document will benefit from their review, > assign a reviewer and enter into a follow-on discussion with the > authors. When deemed necessary, the area directors will on occasion > directly consult the directorate while forming their opinion on > selected documents being under review by the IESG. > > * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents may have relevance to > several working groups, including TSVWG and MPLS-related groups > such as MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure that > drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the appropriate MPLS-related > WGs if necessary, and will bring drafts from the MPLS-related WGs > to the attention of the TSV WG as appropriate. > >The directorate can be reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. Additional >information about the directorate is at >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate. > >Lars From jmpolk@cisco.com Mon May 10 11:23:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7DB28C20E for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.386 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.386 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.213, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GPtvrqqGQPUx for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803E63A6A6D for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-4.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAD/q50urR7H+/2dsb2JhbACeI3GjWZlPgmCCNASDQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,363,1270425600"; d="scan'208";a="127511395" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 May 2010 18:16:39 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8713.cisco.com [10.99.80.20]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4AIGdHL021437; Mon, 10 May 2010 18:16:39 GMT Message-Id: <201005101816.o4AIGdHL021437@sj-core-2.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:16:38 -0500 To: Lars Eggert From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk, rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:23:18 -0000 Lars AS a follow-on to the public reply... {I reduced the To: and cc: lists} What do we do about the TSVWG charter saying RSVP is only to do minor extensions and maintenance, when at least one individual ID that wants to become a TSV WG item is considered by some to be more than minor (MULTI_TSPEC that creates a new Object)? I know the ADs can approve anything to become a WG item (within reason), including this ID - but one of the things this process highlighted (at least to me) is that IntServ is nowhere in the TSVWG charter, and this particular ID is an extension to IntServ. Do we chairs propose new charter text that addresses just this small omission, or do we chairs propose more of what this directorate is about (i.e., what they are to help with)? James At 08:01 AM 5/10/2010, Lars Eggert wrote: >Hi, > >following the discussion during the IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how >to better review and progress extensions to (non-TE) RSVP and >IntServ, the transport area directors have formed a new RSVP >directorate and given it these tasks: > > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services that > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working Group > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > work item. The directorate will continue to guide and review such > new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as an RFC. > > * Review of selected documents during IETF last call or under IESG > review. The directorate monitors ongoing IETF work and should > independently decide when a document will benefit from their review, > assign a reviewer and enter into a follow-on discussion with the > authors. When deemed necessary, the area directors will on occasion > directly consult the directorate while forming their opinion on > selected documents being under review by the IESG. > > * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents may have relevance to > several working groups, including TSVWG and MPLS-related groups > such as MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure that > drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the appropriate MPLS-related > WGs if necessary, and will bring drafts from the MPLS-related WGs > to the attention of the TSV WG as appropriate. > >The directorate can be reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. Additional >information about the directorate is at >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate. > >Lars From ietfdbh@comcast.net Mon May 10 13:48:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFB23A6C1C for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:48:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.162, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mVKx+0YHJb1o for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7EE3A6C8A for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fmyo1e0041GhbT859wiQzP; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:42:24 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([67.189.235.106]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FwiP1e0082JQnJT3TwiPSf; Mon, 10 May 2010 20:42:24 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'James M. Polk'" , "'Lars Eggert'" References: <201005101816.o4AIGdHL021437@sj-core-2.cisco.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:42:21 -0400 Message-ID: <0cd701caf081$4a944980$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <201005101816.o4AIGdHL021437@sj-core-2.cisco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acrwbdigm0gHEkQoSHqWLZxKK5gc8gAEXUUg Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk, rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:48:37 -0000 Hi, I recommend the first bullet of the rsvp-dir tasks be slightly modified: OLD: > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services that > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working Group > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > work item. NEW: > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services that > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working Group > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > work item, including whether the proposal fits within the charter of the TSVWG whose RSVP scope is limited to minor extensions and maintenance. If the rsvp-dir does not find it to be within the scope of TSVWG, then the work would require a charter deliverable update with AD approval, I assume. If Intserv is not within the charter, then Intserv proposals are presumably going to be found not in scope. Then the TSVWG chairs can presumbaly use the normal "this is the catch-all WG" logic to determine WG consensus and get AD approval for the new work item. (If there is consensus that this would help the situation, we could update the TSVWG charter to also include Intserv minor updates and maintenance.) my $.02 dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: rsvp-dir-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:rsvp-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James M. Polk > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:17 PM > To: Lars Eggert > Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rsvp-dir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed > > Lars > > AS a follow-on to the public reply... > > {I reduced the To: and cc: lists} > > What do we do about the TSVWG charter saying RSVP is only to do minor > extensions and maintenance, when at least one individual ID that > wants to become a TSV WG item is considered by some to be more than > minor (MULTI_TSPEC that creates a new Object)? > > I know the ADs can approve anything to become a WG item (within > reason), including this ID - but one of the things this process > highlighted (at least to me) is that IntServ is nowhere in the TSVWG > charter, and this particular ID is an extension to IntServ. > > Do we chairs propose new charter text that addresses just this small > omission, or do we chairs propose more of what this directorate is > about (i.e., what they are to help with)? > > James > > At 08:01 AM 5/10/2010, Lars Eggert wrote: > >Hi, > > > >following the discussion during the IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how > >to better review and progress extensions to (non-TE) RSVP and > >IntServ, the transport area directors have formed a new RSVP > >directorate and given it these tasks: > > > > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated > Services that > > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area > Working Group > > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > > work item. The directorate will continue to guide and > review such > > new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as an RFC. > > > > * Review of selected documents during IETF last call or under IESG > > review. The directorate monitors ongoing IETF work and should > > independently decide when a document will benefit from > their review, > > assign a reviewer and enter into a follow-on discussion with the > > authors. When deemed necessary, the area directors will > on occasion > > directly consult the directorate while forming their opinion on > > selected documents being under review by the IESG. > > > > * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents may have relevance to > > several working groups, including TSVWG and MPLS-related groups > > such as MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure that > > drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the > appropriate MPLS-related > > WGs if necessary, and will bring drafts from the > MPLS-related WGs > > to the attention of the TSV WG as appropriate. > > > >The directorate can be reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. Additional > >information about the directorate is at > >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate. > > > >Lars > > _______________________________________________ > rsvp-dir mailing list > rsvp-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsvp-dir > From jmpolk@cisco.com Mon May 10 14:47:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EF33A6AA0 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uny3+J+KKsMe for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A318F3A6A98 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEALMb6EurR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACeI3GibZlSgmCCNASDQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,202,1272844800"; d="scan'208";a="324775325" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 May 2010 21:47:39 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8713.cisco.com [10.99.80.20]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4ALld37024674; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:39 GMT Message-Id: <201005102147.o4ALld37024674@sj-core-5.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:47:38 -0500 To: "David Harrington" , "'Lars Eggert'" From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: <0cd701caf081$4a944980$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> References: <201005101816.o4AIGdHL021437@sj-core-2.cisco.com> <0cd701caf081$4a944980$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk, rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:47:52 -0000 David I have no issues wrt your proposed addition. Wrt the IntServ not being in the current TSVWG charter, most have assumed (incorrectly) that IntServ wouldn't be touched again, and that there were only tweaks to RSVP that were needed (if they were needed) - mostly because most didn't understand where RSVP ended and IntServ started -- therefore no Transport WG has IntServ in its charter. Lars has said on ocassion that IntServ IDs can get the approval from the ADs because of this close relationship with RSVP. I think that if the RSVP Directorate believes that any ID - which is mostly IntServ based - is needed by the community, then TSVWG is the most likely place for WG review of that work. At this point, we TSVWG chairs should work with the ADs to change the charter text to explicitly add IntServ to the charter so that any future IntServ IDs don't have to run this gauntlet again (i.e., justifying why in TSVWG), and merely have this be a "is this ID worthy of progressing or not" discussion. Make any sense? James At 03:42 PM 5/10/2010, David Harrington wrote: >Hi, > >I recommend the first bullet of the rsvp-dir tasks be slightly >modified: >OLD: > > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services >that > > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working >Group > > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > > work item. >NEW: > > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services >that > > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working >Group > > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > > work item, including whether the proposal fits within the >charter of > the TSVWG whose RSVP scope is limited to minor extensions and >maintenance. > >If the rsvp-dir does not find it to be within the scope of TSVWG, then >the work would >require a charter deliverable update with AD approval, I assume. >If Intserv is not within the charter, then Intserv proposals are >presumably >going to be found not in scope. >Then the TSVWG chairs can presumbaly use the normal "this is the >catch-all WG" logic >to determine WG consensus and get AD approval for the new work item. > >(If there is consensus that this would help the situation, we could >update the TSVWG >charter to also include Intserv minor updates and maintenance.) > >my $.02 >dbh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rsvp-dir-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:rsvp-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James M. Polk > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:17 PM > > To: Lars Eggert > > Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rsvp-dir@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed > > > > Lars > > > > AS a follow-on to the public reply... > > > > {I reduced the To: and cc: lists} > > > > What do we do about the TSVWG charter saying RSVP is only to do >minor > > extensions and maintenance, when at least one individual ID that > > wants to become a TSV WG item is considered by some to be more than > > minor (MULTI_TSPEC that creates a new Object)? > > > > I know the ADs can approve anything to become a WG item (within > > reason), including this ID - but one of the things this process > > highlighted (at least to me) is that IntServ is nowhere in the TSVWG > > > charter, and this particular ID is an extension to IntServ. > > > > Do we chairs propose new charter text that addresses just this small > > > omission, or do we chairs propose more of what this directorate is > > about (i.e., what they are to help with)? > > > > James > > > > At 08:01 AM 5/10/2010, Lars Eggert wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >following the discussion during the IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how > > >to better review and progress extensions to (non-TE) RSVP and > > >IntServ, the transport area directors have formed a new RSVP > > >directorate and given it these tasks: > > > > > > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated > > Services that > > > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is >to > > > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area > > Working Group > > > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as >a > > > work item. The directorate will continue to guide and > > review such > > > new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as an RFC. > > > > > > * Review of selected documents during IETF last call or under >IESG > > > review. The directorate monitors ongoing IETF work and should > > > independently decide when a document will benefit from > > their review, > > > assign a reviewer and enter into a follow-on discussion with >the > > > authors. When deemed necessary, the area directors will > > on occasion > > > directly consult the directorate while forming their opinion >on > > > selected documents being under review by the IESG. > > > > > > * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents may have relevance >to > > > several working groups, including TSVWG and MPLS-related >groups > > > such as MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure that > > > drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the > > appropriate MPLS-related > > > WGs if necessary, and will bring drafts from the > > MPLS-related WGs > > > to the attention of the TSV WG as appropriate. > > > > > >The directorate can be reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. Additional > > >information about the directorate is at > > >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate. > > > > > >Lars > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rsvp-dir mailing list > > rsvp-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsvp-dir > > From bdavie@cisco.com Mon May 10 14:58:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355583A6C13 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:58:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ozryMf+bowZZ for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CED33A6C02 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 14:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,202,1272844800"; d="scan'208";a="255139215" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 May 2010 21:58:07 +0000 Received: from [10.32.241.68] ([10.32.241.68]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4ALw6v2005363; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:58:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bruce Davie In-Reply-To: <201005102147.o4ALld37024674@sj-core-5.cisco.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 17:58:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5E9ACDAE-6A5D-42EE-A053-3F29827F158A@cisco.com> References: <201005101816.o4AIGdHL021437@sj-core-2.cisco.com> <0cd701caf081$4a944980$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <201005102147.o4ALld37024674@sj-core-5.cisco.com> To: "James M. Polk" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk, rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:58:19 -0000 James, Your proposal makes sense to me. I think the RSVP directorate has the = expertise to determine if Intserv-related work should be progressed, and = having the TSVWG charter updated to allow such work would be a good = thing IMHO. Bruce On May 10, 2010, at 5:47 PM, James M. Polk wrote: > David >=20 > I have no issues wrt your proposed addition. >=20 > Wrt the IntServ not being in the current TSVWG charter, most have = assumed (incorrectly) that IntServ wouldn't be touched again, and that = there were only tweaks to RSVP that were needed (if they were needed) - = mostly because most didn't understand where RSVP ended and IntServ = started -- therefore no Transport WG has IntServ in its charter. >=20 > Lars has said on ocassion that IntServ IDs can get the approval from = the ADs because of this close relationship with RSVP. >=20 > I think that if the RSVP Directorate believes that any ID - which is = mostly IntServ based - is needed by the community, then TSVWG is the = most likely place for WG review of that work. At this point, we TSVWG = chairs should work with the ADs to change the charter text to explicitly = add IntServ to the charter so that any future IntServ IDs don't have to = run this gauntlet again (i.e., justifying why in TSVWG), and merely have = this be a "is this ID worthy of progressing or not" discussion. >=20 > Make any sense? >=20 > James >=20 > At 03:42 PM 5/10/2010, David Harrington wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I recommend the first bullet of the rsvp-dir tasks be slightly >> modified: >> OLD: >> > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services >> that >> > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to >> > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working >> Group >> > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as = a >> > work item. >> NEW: >> > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services >> that >> > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to >> > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working >> Group >> > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as = a >> > work item, including whether the proposal fits within the >> charter of >> the TSVWG whose RSVP scope is limited to minor extensions and >> maintenance. >>=20 >> If the rsvp-dir does not find it to be within the scope of TSVWG, = then >> the work would >> require a charter deliverable update with AD approval, I assume. >> If Intserv is not within the charter, then Intserv proposals are >> presumably >> going to be found not in scope. >> Then the TSVWG chairs can presumbaly use the normal "this is the >> catch-all WG" logic >> to determine WG consensus and get AD approval for the new work item. >>=20 >> (If there is consensus that this would help the situation, we could >> update the TSVWG >> charter to also include Intserv minor updates and maintenance.) >>=20 >> my $.02 >> dbh >>=20 >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: rsvp-dir-bounces@ietf.org >> > [mailto:rsvp-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James M. Polk >> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:17 PM >> > To: Lars Eggert >> > Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rsvp-dir@ietf.org >> > Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed >> > >> > Lars >> > >> > AS a follow-on to the public reply... >> > >> > {I reduced the To: and cc: lists} >> > >> > What do we do about the TSVWG charter saying RSVP is only to do >> minor >> > extensions and maintenance, when at least one individual ID that >> > wants to become a TSV WG item is considered by some to be more than >> > minor (MULTI_TSPEC that creates a new Object)? >> > >> > I know the ADs can approve anything to become a WG item (within >> > reason), including this ID - but one of the things this process >> > highlighted (at least to me) is that IntServ is nowhere in the = TSVWG >>=20 >> > charter, and this particular ID is an extension to IntServ. >> > >> > Do we chairs propose new charter text that addresses just this = small >>=20 >> > omission, or do we chairs propose more of what this directorate is >> > about (i.e., what they are to help with)? >> > >> > James >> > >> > At 08:01 AM 5/10/2010, Lars Eggert wrote: >> > >Hi, >> > > >> > >following the discussion during the IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how >> > >to better review and progress extensions to (non-TE) RSVP and >> > >IntServ, the transport area directors have formed a new RSVP >> > >directorate and given it these tasks: >> > > >> > > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated >> > Services that >> > > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is >> to >> > > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area >> > Working Group >> > > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on = as >> a >> > > work item. The directorate will continue to guide and >> > review such >> > > new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as an = RFC. >> > > >> > > * Review of selected documents during IETF last call or under >> IESG >> > > review. The directorate monitors ongoing IETF work and should >> > > independently decide when a document will benefit from >> > their review, >> > > assign a reviewer and enter into a follow-on discussion with >> the >> > > authors. When deemed necessary, the area directors will >> > on occasion >> > > directly consult the directorate while forming their opinion >> on >> > > selected documents being under review by the IESG. >> > > >> > > * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents may have relevance >> to >> > > several working groups, including TSVWG and MPLS-related >> groups >> > > such as MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure = that >> > > drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the >> > appropriate MPLS-related >> > > WGs if necessary, and will bring drafts from the >> > MPLS-related WGs >> > > to the attention of the TSV WG as appropriate. >> > > >> > >The directorate can be reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. Additional >> > >information about the directorate is at >> > >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate. >> > > >> > >Lars >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > rsvp-dir mailing list >> > rsvp-dir@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsvp-dir >> > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rsvp-dir mailing list > rsvp-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsvp-dir From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon May 10 21:56:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B94628C20B for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.342 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.342 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.257, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xqfx69KvNpdK for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CF33A6AD4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 21:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o4B4tGkO013226; Tue, 11 May 2010 07:55:37 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 11 May 2010 07:55:33 +0300 Received: from mgw-sa02.ext.nokia.com ([147.243.1.48]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 11 May 2010 07:55:33 +0300 Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.ext.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o4B4tV0D015324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 May 2010 07:55:31 +0300 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-1041260397; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <5E9ACDAE-6A5D-42EE-A053-3F29827F158A@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:55:19 +0300 Message-Id: <1456238D-2498-491C-AC1E-50729D360047@nokia.com> References: <201005101816.o4AIGdHL021437@sj-core-2.cisco.com> <0cd701caf081$4a944980$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <201005102147.o4ALld37024674@sj-core-5.cisco.com> <5E9ACDAE-6A5D-42EE-A053-3F29827F158A@cisco.com> To: Bruce Davie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2010 04:55:33.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FF6E160:01CAF0C6] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: "gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk" , "James M. Polk" , "rsvp-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:56:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail-11-1041260397 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2010-5-11, at 0:58, Bruce Davie wrote: > Your proposal makes sense to me. I think the RSVP directorate has the = expertise to determine if Intserv-related work should be progressed, and = having the TSVWG charter updated to allow such work would be a good = thing IMHO. agreed, TSVWG as the TSV area catch-all WG, is the default home for = IntServ. If you want to edit the charter so this is clear, please send a text = proposal. I'd also be fine with waiting until we take on an IntServ work = item in the future. 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Polk'" , rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:36:25 -0000 +1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Eggert [mailto:lars.eggert@nokia.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:55 AM > To: Bruce Davie > Cc: James M. Polk; David Harrington; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk; > rsvp-dir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed > > Hi, > > On 2010-5-11, at 0:58, Bruce Davie wrote: > > Your proposal makes sense to me. I think the RSVP > directorate has the expertise to determine if Intserv-related > work should be progressed, and having the TSVWG charter > updated to allow such work would be a good thing IMHO. > > agreed, TSVWG as the TSV area catch-all WG, is the default > home for IntServ. > > If you want to edit the charter so this is clear, please send > a text proposal. I'd also be fine with waiting until we take > on an IntServ work item in the future. > > Lars > > From flefauch@cisco.com Thu May 20 12:50:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rsvp-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA123A6A26; Thu, 20 May 2010 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c6uG4+RAFzGH; Thu, 20 May 2010 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28F13A6A35; Thu, 20 May 2010 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-Files: None : None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,273,1272844800"; d="gif'147?scan'147,208,217,147";a="113037731" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 May 2010 19:50:13 +0000 Received: from ams-flefauch-8713.cisco.com (ams-flefauch-8713.cisco.com [10.55.161.196]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4KJoAKD011396; Thu, 20 May 2010 19:50:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26--274852752 From: Francois Le Faucheur In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:51:30 +0200 Message-Id: <18520724-3155-4699-BA8F-0858F6870D98@cisco.com> References: To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:08:42 -0700 Cc: Francois Le Faucheur , tsvwg@ietf.org, IAB IAB , "tsv-area@ietf.org Area" , The IESG , rsvp-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate formed X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:50:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail-26--274852752 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lars, This is a good approach in my opinion. Thanks Francois On 10 May 2010, at 15:01, Lars Eggert wrote: > Hi, >=20 > following the discussion during the IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how to = better review and progress extensions to (non-TE) RSVP and IntServ, the = transport area directors have formed a new RSVP directorate and given it = these tasks: >=20 > * Review of all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services that > is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this review is to > advise the ADs and the chairs of the Transport Area Working Group > (TSVWG) on whether a particular proposal should be taken on as a > work item. The directorate will continue to guide and review such > new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as an RFC. >=20 > * Review of selected documents during IETF last call or under IESG > review. The directorate monitors ongoing IETF work and should > independently decide when a document will benefit from their = review, > assign a reviewer and enter into a follow-on discussion with the > authors. When deemed necessary, the area directors will on occasion > directly consult the directorate while forming their opinion on > selected documents being under review by the IESG. >=20 > * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents may have relevance to > several working groups, including TSVWG and MPLS-related groups > such as MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure that > drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the appropriate = MPLS-related > WGs if necessary, and will bring drafts from the MPLS-related WGs > to the attention of the TSV WG as appropriate. >=20 > The directorate can be reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. Additional = information about the directorate is at = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate. >=20 > Lars Francois Le Faucheur Distinguished Engineer Corporate Development flefauch@cisco.com Phone: +33 49 723 2619 Mobile: +33 6 19 98 50 90 Cisco Systems France Greenside 400 Ave de Roumanille 06410 Sophia Antipolis France Cisco.com =20 Think before you print. This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole = use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or = disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended = recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact = the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Cisco Systems France, Soci=E9t=E9 =E0 responsabiit=E9 limit=E9e, Rue = Camille Desmoulins =96 Imm Atlantis Zac Forum Seine Ilot 7 92130 Issy = les Moulineaux, Au capital de 91.470 =80, 349 166 561 RCS Nanterre, = Directeur de la publication: Jean-Luc Michel Givone. For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html --Apple-Mail-26--274852752 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Mail-27--274852752 --Apple-Mail-27--274852752 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Hi = Lars,

This is a good approach in my = opinion.
Thanks

Francois

=
On 10 May 2010, at 15:01, Lars Eggert wrote:

Hi,

following the discussion during the = IETF-77 TSVAREA meeting on how to better review and progress extensions = to (non-TE) RSVP and IntServ, the transport area directors have formed a = new RSVP directorate and given it these tasks:

 * Review of = all new work related to RSVP and Integrated Services that
=    is proposed for IETF adoption. The purpose of this = review is to
   advise the ADs and the chairs of the = Transport Area Working Group
   (TSVWG) on whether a = particular proposal should be taken on as a
   work = item. The directorate will continue to guide and review such
=    new work in TSVWG until it is ready for publication as = an RFC.

 * Review of selected documents during IETF last = call or under IESG
   review. The directorate = monitors ongoing IETF work and should
=    independently decide when a document will benefit from = their review,
   assign a reviewer and enter into a = follow-on discussion with the
   authors. When deemed = necessary, the area directors will on occasion
=    directly consult the directorate while forming their = opinion on
   selected documents being under review = by the IESG.

 * Cross-working group review. RSVP documents = may have relevance to
   several working groups, = including TSVWG and MPLS-related groups
   such as = MPLS WG and CCAMP WG. The directorate will ensure that
=    drafts submitted to TSV WG are reviewed in the = appropriate MPLS-related
   WGs if necessary, and = will bring drafts from the MPLS-related WGs
   to the = attention of the TSV WG as appropriate.

The directorate can be = reached at rsv-dir@ietf.org. = Additional information about the directorate is at ht= tp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki/RSVP-Directorate.

L= ars


Francois Le = Faucheur
Distinguished = Engineer
Corporate Development

Cisco Systems = France
Greenside
400 Ave de Roumanille
06410 Sophia = Antipolis
France
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Given this, I'd like to join the directorate. Clearly=20= > I'll be more focused on reuse/common mechanisms between TE and non-TE=20= > uses of RSVP than on non-TE usage of RSVP. Please let me know if you=20= > have any questions. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou Berger thanks for volunteering. This is up to Bruce and Scott; I'd be fine with = you joining. 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Thu, 27 May 2010 00:21:30 +0300 Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.ext.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o4QLLSIj012706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 May 2010 00:21:28 +0300 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.1 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-248929470; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <4BFD8621.6050907@labn.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:21:12 -0400 Message-Id: <31ACAE15-2E8A-4679-9686-9BFAB6615463@nokia.com> References: <4BFD6E60.1010801@labn.net> <5FF05D94-C1DB-4B4C-9BAA-6343081DE0BA@nokia.com> <4BFD8621.6050907@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.5 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 27 May 2010 00:21:22 +0300 (EEST) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2010 21:21:30.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[688273F0:01CAFD19] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: Adrian Farrel , "rsvp-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [rsvp-dir] RSVP directorate X-BeenThere: rsvp-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: RSVP directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:21:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail-10-248929470 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, they should contact us, because per the rules directorates serve = at the discretion of the ADs - it's just that in this specific case, we = trust the directorate chairs to do this selection. On 2010-5-26, at 16:35, Lou Berger wrote: > Okay, thanks. Looks like the wiki should be updated: >=20 >> Individuals who wish to join the RSVP directorate should contact the=20= > transport area directors >=20 > Lou >=20 >=20 > On 5/26/2010 3:24 PM, Lars Eggert wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> On 2010-5-26, at 14:54, Lou Berger wrote: >>> Lars, >>> I hear that you might welcome some additions from the TE side of = the >>> RSVP "house". Given this, I'd like to join the directorate. = Clearly >>> I'll be more focused on reuse/common mechanisms between TE and = non-TE >>> uses of RSVP than on non-TE usage of RSVP. Please let me know if = you >>> have any questions. >>>=20 >>> Much thanks, >>> Lou Berger >>=20 >> thanks for volunteering. This is up to Bruce and Scott; I'd be fine = with you joining. >>=20 >> Lars --Apple-Mail-10-248929470 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGbDCCAyUw ggKOoAMCAQICEAdjk36sXKbnVn15S0/qUp0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDYxNTExMjYxNFoXDTEwMDYxNTExMjYx NFowXDEPMA0GA1UEBBMGRWdnZXJ0MQ0wCwYDVQQqEwRMYXJzMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtMYXJzIEVnZ2Vy dDEkMCIGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYVbGFycy5lZ2dlcnRAbm9raWEuY29tMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA7mR8A+Pn0/FsUkMX6Pyjw+FL3IFcJk8GaKV5VJ40TMI0Wh8oq20cqA9X uqnVDW9WztKwH+o+msJenLwWpprbpJm4TImYGbnUJxYyN8gb81aiX1Bw2xCpJ5z3H2+8DsReJLuY Rdl4bVvaIxLIL4odmfsRwzPyNkOK8LRtfl6OPcaDOlFWzbikULfIVGGu7BqK4lxQSpYwwpZkOMOB 6nnBSfUOtBEmqO+qZG/nL/JxWFV5vxQgg4XHbsMMTxFf6+ji18BD09BUIfDLTuJoCzFmQhrM9vLT VuRhHWSL20LoafGjXv6mPt3i9IGJHpVb2dMQUgOgRyWHTKiUJVU/rUTdWwIDAQABo14wXDAqBgUr ZQEEAQQhMB8CAQAwGjAYAgEEBBNMMnVNeWZmQk5VYk5KSmNkWjJzMCAGA1UdEQQZMBeBFWxhcnMu ZWdnZXJ0QG5va2lhLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBADUx+67n98wt I1vydB90HeSZP4Y64VCxxb0NxGGFvfc2+JdVKeHJ/xT+l+ygYKsWNwJJprkPi4WZ5G0crkq4VK1H 5drEJIztpSPVfWI05vPidaaGuuuCR+6MvJMtOTEYEvc/6eovBnkrzRf9x5x5EyuJXAWTeuBADg80 QI3vQ1tZMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTAT BgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUg Q29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIG A1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25h bC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjEL MAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNV BAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUA A4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAK MNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7 n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAw QwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJl ZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRl TGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9M Ibj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowg T2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAxAwggMMAgEBMHYw YjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAHY5N+rFym51Z9eUtP 6lKdMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkF MQ8XDTEwMDUyNjIxMjExM1owIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFG+zI7v+bgs3zE9J1bZE2BSvrjN6MIGF BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGlu ZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBD QQIQB2OTfqxcpudWfXlLT+pSnTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUw IwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQB2OTfqxcpudWfXlLT+pSnTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AASCAQC/v3lwWc97cRk44rebnbe9hHTofuL73NWZj2o4i7ARMZzDL06pGxKsto4N/eX7dXUShHoH goFXpx0kfzSMy5pkaLujc1KLb9II4Glokvqcrxjh1+FUjYiMF1DD2sGcxjlieJcRLFD6VfljeRNx b5qeVEpXfmEtO663rVW+AJDUHKhNv6Nfk92+bkixPOjy5iu46SwOnvgl7wiRxMzVWJOHAJd7zZJ+ E4C3594kLElSh+zxVsZDe7BUbxRSgguxGq82RVTn6J0jGcLin1+BB36atMyt3IX0f2g1LLxnfzHO D48G7FOUt/NWFIdVmyZuu1xXkjWFSdvYc3CMjaccCkfDAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-10-248929470--