From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 1 20:07:35 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13177 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13232 for rsvp-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venera.isi.edu (venera.isi.edu [128.9.176.32]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13227 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csa.iisc.ernet.in (IDENT:root@csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.8]) by venera.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12963 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in (IDENT:prasanna@helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.46]) by csa.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15967 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:23:39 +0530 Received: from localhost (prasanna@localhost) by helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA02990 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:23:26 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in: prasanna owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:23:26 +0530 (IST) From: Gaitonde Anandprasanna Reply-To: Gaitonde Anandprasanna To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: RSVP Implementation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Sir, I have a question regarding the rsvp implentation. Sir the Makefile says the following: HOST_ONLY If defined, this symbol allows compilation of a host-only rsvpd. It omits code that is dependent upon kernel-specific symbols (e.g., multicast and RSVP hooks), which may not be defined in a particular host system. Note that an rsvpd that is compiled with this symbol undefined will still make a run-time check for the existence of the corresponding kernel features, and act accordingly. --> This conditional compilation is almost certainly wrong in places. Sir does it mean that i cannot compile and run the rsvpd deamon on a machine which does not multicast routing. because with HOST_ONLY compilation i am unable to compile the code it gives the follwoing error ---------------------------------------------------------------- gcc -g -Wall -I../apitools -I/usr/src/sys -DDEBUG -DSCHEDULE -DRTAP -DSECURITY -DSTATS -DRSVP_DIAG -DAPI_USE_NET_BO -DISI_TEST -DISI_FLOW_LABEL -DHOST_ONLY -c rsrr_rsrr.c rsrr_rsrr.c: In function `convert': rsrr_rsrr.c:1884: `gated_to_rsvpd' undeclared (first use in this function) rsrr_rsrr.c:1884: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once rsrr_rsrr.c:1884: for each function it appears in.) make: *** [rsrr_rsrr.o] Error 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- So can u please tell me if i can really run this software on a host machine. What i want to do is i want to run the software on two machines and see them talk to each other. Thanks Sincerely Prasanna _____________________________ _ |ANANDPRASANNA GAITONDE | _ / )|COMP. SCIENCE & AUTOMATION |( \ / / |D-7,IISc HOSTEL | \ \ / / |INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE| \ \ _( (_ |BANGALORE-560012. | _) )_ (((\ \>|_/->___________________<-\_|; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10400 for rsvp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10395 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from perfectsoft.com.tw ([203.75.206.178]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09407 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008022251.PAA09407@nitro.isi.edu> Received: from tang [210.200.145.235] by perfectsoft.com.tw [203.75.206.178] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.5.0.R) for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:10:07 +0800 From: "CORSA" Reply-To: light777@kimo.com.tw Subject: ¤¶²Ð To: light777@ISI.EDU X-Mailer: DiffondiCool V3,1,6,0 (W95/NT) (Build: Oct 18 1999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:53:25 +0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsvp@isi.edu X-Return-Path: goodcd@ms61.url.com.tw Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk ±z»Ý­n¦UºØ³nÅé¶Ü !!!!!! http://tip.nu/abc123 «OÃÒ±z¤£µê¦¹¦æ !!! From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Thu Aug 3 13:10:32 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA25934 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21536 for rsvp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21531 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f300.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.178]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09741 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:25:04 -0700 Received: from 209.58.122.10 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.58.122.10] From: "wadia al-zantuti" To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: kii problem in rsvp ? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:25:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2000 15:25:04.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFA6D520:01BFFD5E] Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk hi list ,, is there any body have good study in killer reservation problem in rsvp since i am trying to make some thing new in this field? bye ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Thu Aug 3 13:40:23 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05872 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23374 for rsvp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23369 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urn.isi.edu (urn.isi.edu [128.9.160.131]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11649; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008031605.JAA11649@boreas.isi.edu> To: "wadia al-zantuti" cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU Reply-To: lindell@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: kii problem in rsvp ? In-Reply-To: Message from "wadia al-zantuti" of "Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:25:04 GMT." Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:05:05 -0700 From: Bob Lindell Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk > is there any body have good study in killer reservation > problem in rsvp since i am trying to make some thing new in > this field? > bye I would suggest reading "RSVP Killer Reservations" by Mohit Talwar. It can be found at http://www.isi.edu/rsvp/pub.html. Bob Lindell From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Mon Aug 7 15:39:37 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA21036 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17173 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17161 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.dlfeng.com ([202.96.70.239]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13425 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008071737.KAA13425@nitro.isi.edu> Received: from lb [202.106.214.49] by mail.dlfeng.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id A30824F90320; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:21:28 PDT From: "flm" Subject: "fheromone"ÎüÒýÒìÐÔµÄÉñÃØÎïÖÊ! 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I agree. Seriously I found that announcement letter to be over done with praise for themselves. It is as if this mailing list, and its counterpart the one on testing RSVP setups, to be a non-existant entity. They might as well think this one is for anouncements only, not meaningful dialogue. That guy can go fall into the dreaded Sarlacc's pit head first. -- Gregg C Levine mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Trust in the Force, Luke, and wait." Obi-Wan Kenobi "The Force will be with you. Always. " Obi-Wan Kenobi "May the Force be with you." "And to you" Anonymous > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU [mailto:owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU]On Behalf Of Randy > Bush > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:29 PM > To: Jason Utz > Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU > Subject: Re: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON > > > > RSVP and IntServ is one of the core technologies covered at the iBAND > > events. > > spam seems to be the core technology covered by islime. > > i encourage fellow ietfers to boycott this event. > > randy From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 8 08:43:59 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA28033 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06946 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06941 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfssl.exchange.microsoft.com (dfssl.exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.88.59]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22441 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.30.236.11 by dfssl.exchange.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:00:05 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: from STAY.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([172.30.236.91]) by yuri.dns.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2023); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:08:34 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C000CB.0A6406E4" Subject: RE: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:56:01 -0700 Message-ID: <078292D50C98D2118D090008C7E9C6A6115A6676@STAY.platinum.corp.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON Thread-Index: AcAAybgSKjFLfuCXRiuT74te8hM1UQAAPE8Q From: "Yoram Bernet" To: "Martin Hall" , "Randy Bush" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2000 00:08:34.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAFA17D0:01C000CC] Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C000CB.0A6406E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I must jump in and say that I find Randy's comment here quite offensive. Randy - is it your goal to get IETF generated technology deployed? or is it just supposed to remain an intellectual exercise? If the former, then I think that you should look to the QoS forum as an ally. Perhaps you have specific experience that you can use to justify calling iBand 'iSlime' and to justify your claim that their core technology is spam. I have experience to the contrary. Certainly, this is not the first time that I have seen technology events solicit for papers on IETF mailing lists. It is the first time that i've seen such a juvenile response. =20 Yoram > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Hall [mailto:martinh@stardust.com] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:44 PM > To: Randy Bush > Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU; jasonu@stardust.com > Subject: Re: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON >=20 >=20 > Hi Randy and everyone else that we might have offended today, >=20 > I wanted to follow up on your frustrations about my colleague, > Jason Utz's, emails today. First, I am ultimately responsible > for these so I wanted to let you know I am hearing your > frustration and concerns and that everyone who wants to > express irritation can email me - publicly or privately. >=20 > This obviously looked a lot like spamming because the > messages sent to multiple lists today were almost the same. > For that I apologize. >=20 > But as well as apologizing, I wanted to give you, and others,=20 > some context as well as ask for a measure of understanding. >=20 > I'm particularly concerned by your response because we are > trying to help move IETF standards forward. We've done this > over the last 5 years with a number of IETF working group-based > standards. We run the QoS Forum which numberous folks involved > in the IETF participate in and which has, as a specific goal, > the development of RSVP-based solutions. We help arrange bake-offs,=20 > enable get-togethers of working grups, facilitate public=20 > demonstrations=20 > of standards-based interoperable products, enable key IETFers to get=20 > the word out to other interested parties and generally try to=20 > preach the=20 > gospel of an open-standards based world and educate the world=20 > at large. We are not just another company trying to get in the way of=20 > core IETF work. A whole host of IETF folks have presented at=20 > our events=20 > over the last few years. We continue to want to be sensitive to the=20 > work of IETF groups and to help expose and drive progress to other=20 > technologists and network engineers. >=20 > It seems to me that this is particularly important right now > when, from some perspectives, the universal, homogeneous, > open-access principles of the Internet are under siege from > proprietary solutions. >=20 > I'd welcome thoughts on how we might better, and more=20 > sensitively present=20 > opportunities to IETF working groups. >=20 > Martin >=20 > At 03:28 PM 8/7/00 -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > >> RSVP and IntServ is one of the core technologies covered=20 > at the iBAND > >> events. > > > >spam seems to be the core technology covered by islime. > > > >i encourage fellow ietfers to boycott this event. > > > >randy > > > > > ---- > Martin Hall - 408.402.0566 x210 > Stardust.com - http://www.stardust.com >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C000CB.0A6406E4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON

I must jump in and say that I find Randy's comment = here quite offensive. Randy - is it your goal to get IETF generated = technology deployed? or is it just supposed to remain an intellectual = exercise? If the former, then I think that you should look to the QoS = forum as an ally. Perhaps you have specific experience that you can use = to justify calling iBand 'iSlime' and to justify your claim that their = core technology is spam. I have experience to the contrary.

Certainly, this is not the first time that I have seen = technology events solicit for papers on IETF mailing lists. It is the = first time that i've seen such a juvenile response. 

Yoram

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Hall [mailto:martinh@stardust.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:44 PM
> To: Randy Bush
> Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU; jasonu@stardust.com
> Subject: Re: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - = iBAND at ISPCON
>
>
> Hi Randy and everyone else that we might have = offended today,
>
> I wanted to follow up on your frustrations about = my colleague,
> Jason Utz's, emails today. First, I am = ultimately responsible
> for these so I wanted to let you know I am = hearing your
> frustration and concerns and that everyone who = wants to
> express irritation can email me - publicly or = privately.
>
> This obviously looked a lot like spamming = because the
> messages sent to multiple lists today were = almost the same.
> For that I apologize.
>
> But as well as apologizing, I wanted to give = you, and others,
> some context as well as ask for a measure of = understanding.
>
> I'm particularly concerned by your response = because we are
> trying to help move IETF standards forward. = We've done this
> over the last 5 years with a number of IETF = working group-based
> standards. We run the QoS Forum which numberous = folks involved
> in the IETF participate in and which has, as a = specific goal,
> the development of RSVP-based solutions. We help = arrange bake-offs,
> enable get-togethers of working grups, = facilitate public
> demonstrations
> of standards-based interoperable products, = enable key IETFers to get
> the word out to other interested parties and = generally try to
> preach the
> gospel of an open-standards based world and = educate the world
> at large. We are not just another company trying = to get in the way of
> core IETF work. A whole host of IETF folks have = presented at
> our events
> over the last few years. We continue to want to = be sensitive to the
> work of IETF groups and to help expose and drive = progress to other
> technologists and network engineers.
>
> It seems to me that this is particularly = important right now
> when, from some perspectives, the universal, = homogeneous,
> open-access principles of the Internet are under = siege from
> proprietary solutions.
>
> I'd welcome thoughts on how we might better, and = more
> sensitively present
> opportunities to IETF working groups.
>
> Martin
>
> At 03:28 PM 8/7/00 -0700, Randy Bush = wrote:
> >> RSVP and IntServ is one of the core = technologies covered
> at the iBAND
> >> events.
> >
> >spam seems to be the core technology covered = by islime.
> >
> >i encourage fellow ietfers to boycott this = event.
> >
> >randy
> >
> >
> ----
> Martin Hall - 408.402.0566 x210
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C000CB.0A6406E4-- From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 8 08:58:06 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01270 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05447 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05442 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18595 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13LwZB-0008aI-00; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:44:21 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Martin Hall Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU, jasonu@stardust.com Subject: Re: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON References: <3.0.5.32.20000807114608.01424180@stardust.com> <3.0.5.32.20000807164342.0256e310@stardust.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:44:21 -0700 Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd welcome thoughts on how we might better, and more sensitively present > opportunities to IETF working groups. thanks, but take your 'opportunities' (aka spam) and place them where the sun don't shine. if you have something technical to present to an ietf working group, write an internet draft. otherwise, see above paragraph. randy From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 8 08:58:07 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01294 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05279 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05272 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziggy.stardust.com (root@ns.stardust.com [205.184.205.34]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18073 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titan (vpn2.stardust.com [205.184.204.131]) by ziggy.stardust.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA05038; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:40:32 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000807164342.0256e310@stardust.com> X-Sender: martinh@stardust.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:43:42 -0700 To: Randy Bush From: Martin Hall Subject: Re: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU, jasonu@stardust.com In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000807114608.01424180@stardust.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Hi Randy and everyone else that we might have offended today, I wanted to follow up on your frustrations about my colleague, Jason Utz's, emails today. First, I am ultimately responsible for these so I wanted to let you know I am hearing your frustration and concerns and that everyone who wants to express irritation can email me - publicly or privately. This obviously looked a lot like spamming because the messages sent to multiple lists today were almost the same. For that I apologize. But as well as apologizing, I wanted to give you, and others, some context as well as ask for a measure of understanding. I'm particularly concerned by your response because we are trying to help move IETF standards forward. We've done this over the last 5 years with a number of IETF working group-based standards. We run the QoS Forum which numberous folks involved in the IETF participate in and which has, as a specific goal, the development of RSVP-based solutions. We help arrange bake-offs, enable get-togethers of working grups, facilitate public demonstrations of standards-based interoperable products, enable key IETFers to get the word out to other interested parties and generally try to preach the gospel of an open-standards based world and educate the world at large. We are not just another company trying to get in the way of core IETF work. A whole host of IETF folks have presented at our events over the last few years. We continue to want to be sensitive to the work of IETF groups and to help expose and drive progress to other technologists and network engineers. It seems to me that this is particularly important right now when, from some perspectives, the universal, homogeneous, open-access principles of the Internet are under siege from proprietary solutions. I'd welcome thoughts on how we might better, and more sensitively present opportunities to IETF working groups. Martin At 03:28 PM 8/7/00 -0700, Randy Bush wrote: >> RSVP and IntServ is one of the core technologies covered at the iBAND >> events. > >spam seems to be the core technology covered by islime. > >i encourage fellow ietfers to boycott this event. > >randy > > ---- Martin Hall - 408.402.0566 x210 Stardust.com - http://www.stardust.com From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 8 08:58:09 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01314 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01469 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01464 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05394 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13LvO9-00086P-00; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:28:53 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jason Utz Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON References: <3.0.5.32.20000807114608.01424180@stardust.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:28:53 -0700 Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > RSVP and IntServ is one of the core technologies covered at the iBAND > events. spam seems to be the core technology covered by islime. i encourage fellow ietfers to boycott this event. randy From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 8 08:58:11 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01347 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03256 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03251 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from griffin.host4u.net (griffin.host4u.net [209.150.128.163]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11320 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toy.labn.net (jgateadsl.cais.net [205.252.5.196]) by griffin.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25315 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:04:13 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000807190233.00c996a0@mail.labn.net> X-Sender: lberger@mail.labn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:04:43 -0400 To: rsvp@ISI.EDU From: Lou Berger Subject: Fwd: RE: Number assignments for draft-ietf-rsvp-refresh-reduct- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk FYI - >Reply-To: >From: "IANA" >To: "Lou Berger" >Subject: RE: Number assignments for draft-ietf-rsvp-refresh-reduct- >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:40:29 -0700 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) >Importance: Normal > >Dear Lou, > >These have also been added. Please see the following file: > > > >Thank you, > >Michelle Schipper >IANA > >Requested Assignments (** in dispute) >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name Suggested value > ======================================== >Messages: > Bundle 12** > ACK 13 > Srefresh 15 >New objects classes: > MESSAGE_ID 23 > MESSAGE_ID_ACK 24 > MESSAGE_ID_LIST 25 From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 8 08:58:13 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01372 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23882 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23735 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28070 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziggy.stardust.com (root@ns.stardust.com [205.184.205.34]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26812 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pleiades (dhcp204-96.stardust.com [205.184.204.96]) by ziggy.stardust.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id LAA28983 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:46:06 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000807114608.01424180@stardust.com> X-Sender: jasonu@stardust.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 11:46:08 -0700 To: rsvp@ISI.EDU From: Jason Utz Subject: Call for RSVP and IntServ papers - iBAND at ISPCON Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zephyr.isi.edu id MAA23737 Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings! RSVP and IntServ is one of the core technologies covered at the iBAND events. We would like to continue its progress at the upcoming iBAND at ISPCON Conference on November 8-10, 2000, in San Jose, CA. iBAND at ISPCON is a gathering place for key industry people to come together and learn about developments in the new Internet technologies: * Service Provisioning * Traffic Management * Performance Measurement * Your iBAND at ISPCON participation will help expose network engineers and other technology savvy professionals to the latest and greatest in RSVP and IntServ technology. My name is Jason Utz, conference manager for iBAND at ISPCON Conference. Stardust.com's CTO Martin Hall and I would like to invite you to share you progress and ideas with other relevant professionals in one or more ways: · Speaker Proposal * BOF Proposal * Showcase Participation * We value your expertise and look forward to receiving your speaker proposals to reflect the state of the art in RSVP and IntServ technology. Proposals are due no later than Friday, August 18, 2000. To find guidance and more information, please visit http://www.stardust.com/iband5/speakers.htm http://www.stardust.com for network engineers offers additional opportunities to supply information and progress for RSVP and IntServ updates and technologies: - conference sessions available in MP3 format, - live interviews on Stardust.com TalkRadio, - provide white papers and have them maintained in a Stardust.com Web library. All these options provide you with a large arena to deliver your working group's information and other updates. Please visit http://www.stardust.com to see what our site offers to its visitors. We want to help you drive this technology area forward so please let me know how you'd like to participate. Please contact me via email with any questions. 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13:01:32 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13738 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17728 for rsvp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17722 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25060 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14566 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marconi.com (dcharlap-pc.dc.fore.com [169.144.136.107]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17359 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39917476.9F8992AF@marconi.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:10:46 -0400 From: David Charlap X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: IBM 5538U References: <36747.797471284716800.24338@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a reason why non-subscribers have the ability to post to this list? The amount of spam that gets sent here is really annoying. -- David From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Wed Aug 9 15:18:38 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA17096 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23697 for rsvp-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23692 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18748 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who ([12.78.243.80]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000809172341.YSAN9297.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@who> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:23:41 +0000 From: "Gregg C Levine" To: "RSVP" Subject: RE: IBM 5538U Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:23:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39917476.9F8992AF@marconi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello from Gregg C Levine usually with Jedi Knight Computers My thoughts exactly. I received not one, but two of them, both attached to the RSVP lists, this one, and one for testing RSVP. It is annoying. The List Owner should be doing more to stop spam. -- Gregg C Levine mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Trust in the Force, Luke, and wait." Obi-Wan Kenobi "The Force will be with you. Always. " Obi-Wan Kenobi "May the Force be with you." "And to you" Anonymous > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU [mailto:owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU]On Behalf Of David > Charlap > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 11:11 AM > To: rsvp@ISI.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM 5538U > > > Is there a reason why non-subscribers have the ability to post to this > list? > > The amount of spam that gets sent here is really annoying. > > -- David From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Thu Aug 10 17:08:05 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA14017 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06105 for rsvp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06100 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.monmouth.com (mail.monmouth.com [209.191.58.1]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20629 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monmouth.com ([64.19.145.238]) by mail.monmouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04595 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3992F1CD.D8627E4@monmouth.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:17:49 -0300 From: alfred Reply-To: ajd1@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-6.1smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: routing PATH messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question regarding the treatment of PATH messages in a router. A PATH message arrives at a router over interface I1. The preferred interface over which this packet will be forwarded is I2 (as determined by the nextHop in the routing table). DId the inventors of RSVP envision this as being the only way to determine the interface over which the packet will be forwarded? Did they preclude the use of other mechanisms (like policy based routing or access-lists) to override the preferred nextHop from the routing table and forward the packet over some other interface I3. From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Thu Aug 10 19:27:25 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16040 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13085 for rsvp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13080 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15113 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04838 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marconi.com (dcharlap-pc.dc.fore.com [169.144.136.107]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14871 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3993231E.AEBD267A@marconi.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:48:14 -0400 From: David Charlap X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: routing PATH messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit alfred wrote: > > I have a question regarding the treatment of PATH messages in a > router. > > A PATH message arrives at a router over interface I1. The preferred > interface over which this packet will be forwarded is I2 (as > determined by the nextHop in the routing table). DId the inventors of > RSVP envision this as being the only way to determine the interface > over which the packet will be forwarded? Did they preclude the use of > other mechanisms (like policy based routing or access-lists) to > override the preferred nextHop from the routing table and forward the > packet over some other interface I3. RSVP is a signalling protocol, not a routing protocol. As such, it is not RSVP's place to determine where packets get forwarded to. It is expected that some other program on the router (like OSPF, ISIS, etc.) make that determination. RSVP forwards Path messages based on the routing table because that is how the data packets will be forwarded. The Path (and the returning Resv) messages must pass through the same routers that the data packets pass through, or everything breaks. So, if you need to run a routing protocol that forwards packets in directions other than the shortest path (maybe it's policy-based, constraint-based, or something else), you can do so. If the router can forward data packets in this way, it should (hopefully) be able to tell RSVP which interface each flow will be using, and it will be able to send its Path messages in the same way. -- David From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 11 01:06:29 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23373 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29314 for rsvp-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29306 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aurora.cs.ucla.edu (Aurora.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.96.157]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12252 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ([131.179.32.61]) by aurora.cs.ucla.edu (8.9.3+Sun/UCLACS-5.0) with SMTP id UAA27096; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008110339.UAA27096@aurora.cs.ucla.edu> X-Sender: lixia@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:25:52 -0700 To: ajd1@monmouth.com, rsvp@ISI.EDU From: Lixia Zhang Subject: Re: routing PATH messages In-Reply-To: <3992F1CD.D8627E4@monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk At 11:17 AM 8/10/00 , alfred wrote: >I have a question regarding the treatment of PATH messages in a router. > >A PATH message arrives at a router over interface I1. The preferred >interface over which this packet will be forwarded is I2 (as determined >by the nextHop in the routing table). DId the inventors of RSVP envision >this as being the only way to determine the interface over which the >packet will be forwarded? Did they preclude the use of other mechanisms >(like policy based routing or access-lists) to override the preferred >nextHop from the routing table and forward the packet over some other >interface I3. The inventors of RSVP envisioned that routing would be a complex issue. They decided that RSVP PATH messages should follow whatever paths, as determined by the routing protocol (plus policy if you have), to the destinations. The next-hop in the forwarding table is the result of routing protocol processing (possibly with policy). Lixia From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 11 07:06:56 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA09176 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14223 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14218 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.wri.com.cn ([202.103.38.59]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03781 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:34:12 -0700 (PDT) From: ward@wri.com.cn Received: from 10.5.2.95 ([10.5.2.95]) by mail.wri.com.cn (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZ4EXJ00.CA7 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:12:55 +0800 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:09:26 +0800 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 6FD2B6EF Reply-To: ward Organization: WRI-IP X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <19714.000811@wri.com.cn> To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Questions about the rsvp message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I looked into the rfc2205, and now I have a very basic question: the destination address of RSVP packet is the receiver's address. However, the IP module will check all packets's destination address. If it is for this node,then it will deliver the packet to high layer. then how can the intermediate nodes process the RSVP packet? Thanks in advance! Best regards, ward mailto:ward@wri.com.cn From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 11 09:40:13 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15296 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20775 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20770 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aurora.cs.ucla.edu (Aurora.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.96.157]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00274 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ([131.179.32.61]) by aurora.cs.ucla.edu (8.9.3+Sun/UCLACS-5.0) with SMTP id FAA27859; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008111209.FAA27859@aurora.cs.ucla.edu> X-Sender: lixia@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:04:42 -0700 To: ward , rsvp@ISI.EDU From: Lixia Zhang Subject: Re: Questions about the rsvp message In-Reply-To: <19714.000811@wri.com.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk At 02:09 AM 8/11/00 , ward@wri.com.cn wrote: >Hello all, > I looked into the rfc2205, and now I have a very basic question: > the destination address of RSVP packet is the receiver's address. the above should be "the destination of the PATH message...." the destination in RESV message is previous RSVPP hop > However, the IP module will check all packets's destination address. > If it is for this node,then it will deliver the packet to high > layer. > > then how can the intermediate nodes process the RSVP packet? Logically, by noticing it is an RSVP packet (protocole = 46) Mechanism wise, there is a Router Alert option that can cause router's attention. > > Thanks in advance! > > >Best regards, > ward mailto:ward@wri.com.cn > From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 11 11:16:03 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21926 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24381 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA24376 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hns3.hns.com (hns3.hns.com [208.236.67.3]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15953 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: pfoy@hns.com Received: from hnssysb.md.hns.com (hnssysb.hns.com [139.85.52.101]) by hns3.hns.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00043; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ngw2.hns.com (ngw2.hns.com [139.85.177.38]) by hnssysb.md.hns.com (8.9.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA15907; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:32:41 GMT Received: by ngw2.hns.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256938.004A815B ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:33:47 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HNS To: ward cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <85256938.004A778E.00@ngw2.hns.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:32:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Questions about the rsvp message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Ward, When a PATH message is sent from a sender to receiver, the source IP address is for the sender and the destination IP address if for the end-host receiver. The PATH message is received at each intermediate router and recognized as an RSVP message from the IP protocol ID (46). The PATH message is sent to the RSVP process in that router and the state block is created and the PATH message is changed to update the PHOP object. The message is then propagated toward the end-host receiver. The RESV message is different. The destination address is specified for each intermediate node. So when a intermediate node receives the RESV message, it creates the reservation and then updates the destination address for the next hop. Hope this helps. pat ward@wri.com.cn@ISI.EDU on 08/11/2000 05:09:26 AM Please respond to ward Sent by: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU To: rsvp@ISI.EDU cc: (bcc: Patrick Foy/HNS) Subject: Questions about the rsvp message Hello all, I looked into the rfc2205, and now I have a very basic question: the destination address of RSVP packet is the receiver's address. However, the IP module will check all packets's destination address. If it is for this node,then it will deliver the packet to high layer. then how can the intermediate nodes process the RSVP packet? Thanks in advance! Best regards, ward mailto:ward@wri.com.cn From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 11 14:09:55 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28686 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01431 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01426 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gra.isi.edu (gra.isi.edu [128.9.160.133]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07554; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Braden Received: (from braden@localhost) by gra.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id QAA18938; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:18:04 GMT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:18:04 GMT Message-Id: <200008111618.QAA18938@gra.isi.edu> To: rsvp@ISI.EDU, ward@wri.com.cn Subject: Re: Questions about the rsvp message X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk *> From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 11 02:41:08 2000 *> From: ward@wri.com.cn *> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:09:26 +0800 *> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 6FD2B6EF *> Reply-To: ward *> Organization: WRI-IP *> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) *> To: rsvp@ISI.EDU *> Subject: Questions about the rsvp message *> Mime-Version: 1.0 *> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *> Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU *> Precedence: bulk *> X-Lines: 16 *> *> Hello all, *> I looked into the rfc2205, and now I have a very basic question: *> the destination address of RSVP packet is the receiver's address. *> However, the IP module will check all packets's destination address. *> If it is for this node,then it will deliver the packet to high *> layer. *> *> then how can the intermediate nodes process the RSVP packet? *> *> Thanks in advance! *> *> You missed section 3.11.5 of RFC2205 Bob Braden *> Best regards, *> ward mailto:ward@wri.com.cn *> *> *> From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Mon Aug 14 12:54:35 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14677 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10676 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10671 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.monmouth.com (mail.monmouth.com [209.191.58.1]) by nitro.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13622 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monmouth.com ([64.19.145.238]) by mail.monmouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15741; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3997FCD1.83822F4D@monmouth.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:06:09 -0300 From: ajd1 Reply-To: ajd1@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-6.1smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lixia Zhang CC: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: routing PATH messages References: <200008110339.UAA27096@aurora.cs.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your response to my earlier question. I have a followup question: We have 2 paths from a source router to a destination router - ths ospf determined preferred path and an alternate path. We have identical policies in place to force BOTH rsvp signalling messages and associated udp data along the alternate path. The routers obey the policy for udp data and send it along the alternate path but ignore the policy for rsvp signalling and send it over the ospf determined path. The routers accept the policy commands for protocol 46, I can see that the policy gets installed in the router, but the policy for protocol 46 gets ignored in the implementation. The router vendor claims that rfc 2205 dictates that the RSVP signalling messages MUST follow the ospf determined path (the nextHop with the best metric) which I am trying to dispute. Am I correct in assuming that your response to my earlier question supports my stance on this issue? Lixia Zhang wrote: > At 11:17 AM 8/10/00 , alfred wrote: > >I have a question regarding the treatment of PATH messages in a router. > > > >A PATH message arrives at a router over interface I1. The preferred > >interface over which this packet will be forwarded is I2 (as determined > >by the nextHop in the routing table). DId the inventors of RSVP envision > >this as being the only way to determine the interface over which the > >packet will be forwarded? Did they preclude the use of other mechanisms > >(like policy based routing or access-lists) to override the preferred > >nextHop from the routing table and forward the packet over some other > >interface I3. > > The inventors of RSVP envisioned that routing would be a complex issue. > They decided that RSVP PATH messages should follow whatever paths, as > determined by the routing protocol (plus policy if you have), to the > destinations. > The next-hop in the forwarding table is the result of routing protocol > processing (possibly with policy). > > Lixia From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 15 00:14:52 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA25054 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15109 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) 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Andrea Westerinen Policy Terminology Draft Editor From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 18 12:09:13 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01355 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03290 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03285 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from david.ttt.bme.hu (david.ttt.bme.hu [152.66.246.102]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13908 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ttt-atm.ttt.bme.hu (ttt-atm.ttt.bme.hu [152.66.246.81]) by david.ttt.bme.hu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21374; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:30:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from TTT-ATM/SpoolDir by ttt-atm.ttt.bme.hu (Mercury 1.48); 18 Aug 00 16:33:46 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by TTT-ATM (Mercury 1.48); 18 Aug 00 16:33:24 +0100 Received: from ttt-atm.ttt.bme.hu (152.66.79.189) by ttt-atm.ttt.bme.hu (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 18 Aug 00 16:33:15 +0100 Message-ID: <399D4855.A09512C1@ttt-atm.ttt.bme.hu> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:29:41 +0200 From: Retvari Gabor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Charlap CC: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: routing PATH messages References: <3993231E.AEBD267A@marconi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! > RSVP is a signalling protocol, not a routing protocol. > > As such, it is not RSVP's place to determine where packets get forwarded > to. It is expected that some other program on the router (like OSPF, > ISIS, etc.) make that determination. > > RSVP forwards Path messages based on the routing table because that is > how the data packets will be forwarded. The Path (and the returning > Resv) messages must pass through the same routers that the data packets > pass through, or everything breaks. > > So, if you need to run a routing protocol that forwards packets in > directions other than the shortest path (maybe it's policy-based, > constraint-based, or something else), you can do so. If the router can > forward data packets in this way, it should (hopefully) be able to tell > RSVP which interface each flow will be using, and it will be able to ^^^^^^^^^ > send its Path messages in the same way. Just a short comment: identifying solely the outgoing interface along an alternate path (i.e.: not the shortest one - there is no reference in the kernel routing table) is not enough information for RSVP forward the PATH message in the desired direction, as it provides no means to determine the MAC addreess of the next hop along the path...please refer to the linux-net list archive for further discussion... Retvari Gabor/BUTE-DTT From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 18 14:33:16 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04478 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10272 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10266 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25164 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16430 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marconi.com (dcharlap-pc.dc.fore.com [169.144.136.107]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13756 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399D6AEC.CFEC7441@marconi.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:57:16 -0400 From: David Charlap X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: routing PATH messages References: <3993231E.AEBD267A@marconi.com> <399D4855.A09512C1@ttt-atm.ttt.bme.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Retvari Gabor wrote: >> >> So, if you need to run a routing protocol that forwards packets in >> directions other than the shortest path (maybe it's policy-based, >> constraint-based, or something else), you can do so. If the router >> can forward data packets in this way, it should (hopefully) be able >> to tell RSVP which interface each flow will be using, and it will be > ^^^^^^^^^ >> able to send its Path messages in the same way. > > Just a short comment: identifying solely the outgoing interface along > an alternate path (i.e.: not the shortest one - there is no reference > in the kernel routing table) is not enough information for RSVP > forward the PATH message in the desired direction, as it provides no > means to determine the MAC addreess of the next hop along the > path...please refer to the linux-net list archive for further > discussion... 1: There are more kinds of interfaces other than Ethernet. Point to point interfaces don't use or require MAC addresses in their layer-2 headers. 2: If the outgoing interface requires MAC addresses, then the information will be available, just like it is available for forwarding data packets out that interface. -- David From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 18 14:58:04 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04943 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11344 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11339 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub1.shef.ac.uk (mailhub1.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.9]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01694 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadstone.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.23.251]) by mailhub1.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 13Ppnj-0005YD-00 for rsvp@isi.edu; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:19:27 +0100 Received: from BROADSTONE/SpoolDir by broadstone.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 18 Aug 00 18:19:26 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BROADSTONE (Mercury 1.46); 18 Aug 00 18:19:20 +0100 From: "X.Chen" To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:19:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: About Cisco routers X-Confirm-Reading-To: "X.Chen" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am planing to use Cisco routers to implement RSVP into my test bed. I got 2 Cisco 2621 routers(with IOS 12.0.7(T)), but either of them hasn't got a WAN card, only has 2 Ethernet ports. If I want to have a low bandwidth link (like T1) between the two routers, do I need to buy one WAN card for each router? Which kind of WAN card is the best choice and how to connect them? Thanks X.Chen From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 18 21:05:54 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA12271 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28379 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28374 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csa.iisc.ernet.in (IDENT:root@csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.8]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10808 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in (IDENT:prasanna@helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.46]) by csa.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04257 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:50:22 +0530 Received: from localhost (prasanna@localhost) by helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA12503 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:50:34 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in: prasanna owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:50:34 +0530 (IST) From: Gaitonde Anandprasanna To: rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Qestions regardig RSVP Implentation. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Respected Sirs, I did not get any response from the isi-rsvp@ISI.EDU for my queries so i thought of sending this implentation problems on this mailing list. Please reply for this.... I have the following doubt about the RSVP implentation: I was unable to use the security feature of RSVP .i.e. the INTEGRITY objects when included gives a parse error at the receiver side. Please tell me what could be the problem. Also direct me to some references if possible. Also after going through the code i came to know that The RSVP implementation of ISI does not have any actual interaction with the traffic control code in the kernel. They just have a dummy TC program for testing. Is there any implentation where the actual interaction to TC in ernel has been implemented. Thanking You Yours sincerely. Prasanna _____________________________ _ |ANANDPRASANNA GAITONDE | _ / )|COMP. SCIENCE & AUTOMATION |( \ / / |D-7,IISc HOSTEL | \ \ / / |INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE| \ \ _( (_ |BANGALORE-560012. | _) )_ (((\ \>|_/->___________________<-\_|; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00455 for rsvp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00450 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.corp124.com (adsl-63-206-97-82.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.97.82]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22693 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.corp124.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA11224; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:08:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200008190008.RAA11224@mail.corp124.com> X-Sender: lixia@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:06:57 -0700 To: ajd1@monmouth.com From: Lixia Zhang Subject: Re: routing PATH messages Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU In-Reply-To: <3997FCD1.83822F4D@monmouth.com> References: <200008110339.UAA27096@aurora.cs.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk At 07:06 AM 8/14/00 , ajd1 wrote: > >Thanks for your response to my earlier question. I have a followup >question: >We have 2 paths from a source router to a destination router - >ths ospf determined preferred path and an alternate path. >We have identical policies in place to force BOTH rsvp signalling >messages and associated udp data along the alternate path. >The routers obey the policy for udp data and send it along the >alternate path but ignore the policy for rsvp signalling and >send it over the ospf determined path. >The routers accept the policy commands for protocol 46, I can see that >the policy gets installed in the router, but the >policy for protocol 46 gets ignored in the implementation. >The router vendor claims that rfc 2205 dictates that the RSVP signalling >messages MUST follow the ospf determined path (the nextHop with the >best metric) which I am trying to dispute. Am I correct in assuming that >your response to my earlier question supports my stance on this issue? Disclaimer: my opinions are my personal opinions. Having said that: I am afraid that the vendor is right. The PATH messages should be forwarded according to whatever the routing protocol says. What you have done is to tweak the forwarding so that UDP data packets go somewhere else instead of following the forwarding table. I am not sure how good a design that is. If packets can go arbitrary places that are inconsistent with what routing says, based on all kinds of different polies at various places, how would one be able to control/manage such a network (especially a large one)? What I think you should have done, to support policies, is to integrate your policy into routing, to make the forwarding table pointing to the direction you wanted (for the data packets you wanted). my 2 cents, Lixia From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Sat Aug 19 22:33:14 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06282 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21143 for rsvp-outgoing; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21138 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csa.iisc.ernet.in (IDENT:root@csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.8]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12768; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in (IDENT:prasanna@helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.46]) by csa.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12881; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:29:16 +0530 Received: from localhost (prasanna@localhost) by helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA11735; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:29:29 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: helios.csa.iisc.ernet.in: prasanna owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:29:29 +0530 (IST) From: Gaitonde Anandprasanna Reply-To: Gaitonde Anandprasanna To: rsvp@ISI.EDU, isi-rsvp@ISI.EDU Subject: Qestions regardig RSVP Implentation. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk I am a student doing a Project in RSVP and the following doubts about the implementation. I did not get any response from the isi-rsvp@ISI.EDU for my queries so i thought of sending this implentation problems on this mailing list. Please reply for this.... I was unable to use the security feature of RSVP .i.e. the INTEGRITY objects when included gives a parse error at the receiver side. Please tell me what could be the problem. Also direct me to some references if possible. Also after going through the code i came to know that The RSVP implementation of ISI does not have any actual interaction with the traffic control code in the kernel. They just have a dummy TC program for testing. Am i right??Is there any implentation where the actual interaction to TC in kernel has been implemented. Thanking You Yours sincerely. 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I would ask those who have experience with the Traffic Control on Windows 2000 for the following information: 1. Is it possible to turn off RSVP signaling and packet marking on Windows 2000 Traffic Control, since I want to test a real traffic with and without RSVP signaling and packet marking ? 2. Does Windows 2000 support tracing, for example for RSVP signaling, so I could monitor RSVP signaling process? Thanks a lot. Regards, Dusan Sarvan. From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Mon Aug 21 17:58:30 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10141 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21616 for rsvp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21606 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DF-INET-1.dogfoodinternet.com (df-inet1.exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.8.8]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00395 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yuri.dns.microsoft.com ([172.30.236.11]) by DF-INET-1.dogfoodinternet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2172.1); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:47:16 -0700 Received: from STAY.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([172.30.236.91]) by yuri.dns.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2023); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:59:56 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C00B82.180DED16" Subject: RE: QoS on Windows 2000 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:11:34 -0700 Message-ID: <078292D50C98D2118D090008C7E9C6A611ABBEF9@STAY.platinum.corp.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: QoS on Windows 2000 Thread-Index: AcALNjAeutKVcWjkRniaXK440NKqigATDucw From: "Yoram Bernet" To: "Dusan Sarvan" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2000 17:59:56.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D231DC0:01C00B99] Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00B82.180DED16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'll respond on rsvp-test. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dusan Sarvan [mailto:Dusan.Sarvan@ascom.ch] > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:50 PM > To: rsvp@ISI.EDU; rsvp@ISI.EDU > Subject: QoS on Windows 2000 >=20 >=20 > I would like to set a test bed for QoS (RSVP and DiffServ) based on > Windows 2000 and Cisco routers 2600 series.. > I would ask those who have experience with the Traffic Control on > Windows > 2000 for the following information: >=20 > 1. Is it possible to turn off RSVP signaling and packet marking on > Windows 2000 > Traffic Control, since I want to test a real traffic with and without > RSVP signaling > and packet marking ? >=20 > 2. Does Windows 2000 support tracing, for example for RSVP=20 > signaling, so > I could > monitor RSVP signaling process? >=20 > Thanks a lot. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dusan Sarvan. >=20 >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00B82.180DED16 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: QoS on Windows 2000

i'll respond on rsvp-test.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dusan Sarvan [mailto:Dusan.Sarvan@ascom.ch]
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:50 PM
> To: rsvp@ISI.EDU; rsvp@ISI.EDU
> Subject: QoS on Windows 2000
>
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> I would like to set a test bed for QoS (RSVP and = DiffServ) based on
> Windows 2000 and Cisco routers 2600 = series..
> I would ask those who have experience with the = Traffic Control on
> Windows
> 2000 for the following information:
>
> 1. Is it possible to turn off RSVP signaling and = packet marking on
> Windows 2000
> Traffic Control, since I want to test a real = traffic with and without
> RSVP signaling
> and packet marking ?
>
> 2. Does Windows 2000 support tracing, for = example for RSVP
> signaling, so
> I could
> monitor RSVP signaling process?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dusan Sarvan.
>
>
>

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Mini-Workshops - MWT-1 (14:00~17:30, Oct. 31): Management of Internet Infrastructure - MWW-2 (09:00~12:30, Nov. 1): Evolution to Next Generation Network - MWW-3 (14:00~17:30, Nov. 1): Internet QoS and Telephony - MWR-4 (09:00~12:30, Nov. 2): Wireless Internet 4. Social Events - Welcome Reception (18:30~20:30, Oct. 30) - Opening Plenary (09:30~12:00, Oct. 31) - Conference Banquet (18:30 ~ 21:00, Nov. 1) 5. Technical Sessions - Tuesday, October 31 (14:00-15:40) ST01 Wireless Communications I ST02 Mobile & Personal Communications I ST03 Optical Communications Technology I ST04 ATM & Broadband Communications I ST05 Network Management & Security I - Tuesday, October 31 (16:00-17:40) ST06 Wireless Communications II ST07 Mobile & Personal Communications II ST08 Optical Communications Technology II ST09 ATM & Broadband Communications II ST10 Network Management & Security II - Wednesday, November 1 (09:00-10:40) SW01 Wireless Communications III SW02 Mobile & Personal Communications III SW03 Optical Communications Technology III SW04 ATM & Broadband Communications III SW05 Multiprotocol Networks I SW06 Signal Processing I - Wednesday, November 1 (11:00-12:40) SW07 Wireless Communications IV SW08 Mobile & Personal Communications IV SW09 Optical Communications Technology IV SW10 ATM & Broadband Communications IV SW11 Multiprotocol Networks II SW12 Signal Processing II - Wednesday, November 1 (14:00-15:40) SW13 Wireless Communications V SW14 Mobile & Personal Communications V SW15 Optical Communications Technology V SW16 Quality Assurance & Traffic Management I SW17 Multiprotocol Networks III SW18 Signal Processing III - Wednesday, November 1 (16:00-17:40) SW19 Wireless Communications VI SW20 Mobile & Personal Communications VI SW21 Satellite & Space Communications I SW22 Quality Assurance & Traffic Management II SW23 IMT-2000 I - Thursday, November 2 (09:00-10:40) SR01 Wireless Communications VII SR02 Mobile & Personal Communications VII SR03 Internet Applications & Technology I SR04 Multimedia Communications I SR05 Communications Theory & Software I - Thursday, November 2 (11:00-12:40) SR06 Wireless Communications VIII SR07 Mobile & Personal Communications VIII SR08 Internet Applications & Technology II SR09 Multimedia Communications II SR10 Communications Theory & Software II - Thursday, November 2 (14:00-15:40) SR11 Internet Applications & Technology III SR12 Multimedia Communications III SR13 Communications Theory & Software III SR14 Quality Assurance & Traffic Management I SR15 IMT-2000 I - Thursday, November 2 (16:00-17:40) SR16 Internet Applications & Technology IV SR17 Multimedia Communications IV SR18 Communications Theory & Software IV SR19 Quality Assurance & Traffic Management II SR20 Satellite & Space Communications II From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Sat Aug 26 11:56:05 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22560 for ; 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For more information call 1 800 SEND 123 or http://www.sendflowersamerica.com Imagine earning money for your organization by making someone smile :-) From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Wed Aug 30 11:42:17 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02663 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11867 for rsvp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11862 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchange01.iirltd.co.uk ([193.133.64.178]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02205 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange01.iirltd.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:56:33 +0100 Message-ID: From: Rohan Marwaha To: "'rsvp@ISI.EDU'" Subject: MPLS Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:56:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk I thought you might be interested to know that the MPLS conference in London this September is booking very well with 50 delegates so far and the pre-conference workshop nearly fully booked. Check out the website for further details: www.iir-conferences.com/mpls Regards, Rohan Marwaha Telecoms & Technology Marketing Fax: +44 (0) 20 7915 5001 email: rmarwaha@iir-conferences.com http://www.iir-conferences.com ___________________________________ Sent by MailKing - email merge for Windows Editor's Pick, ZDNet "FREE download at http://www.mailking.com" From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Wed Aug 30 15:29:05 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07753 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20881 for rsvp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20871 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f208.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.208]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02254; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:54:36 -0700 Received: from 207.53.175.35 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:54:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.53.175.35] From: "Mark Dewey" To: mpls@uu.net Cc: rsvp@ISI.EDU, int-serv@ISI.EDU Subject: CR-LDP traffic parameter TLV and RSVP Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:54:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2000 17:54:36.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C3AF850:01C012AB] Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Hi, I apologize for the wide distribution. I am not sure which mailing list this question belongs to. I understand, in CR-LDP, the qos characteristics(e.g bandwidth) of an LSP tunnel can be specified in traffic parameter (e.g CDR) TLV. How is this value specified in RSVP if it were used to establish a LSP tunnel with qos characteristics? If sender TSPEC object is used, should the node implement integrated services (CL,GS)? Thanks, -Mark _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Wed Aug 30 16:25:37 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08462 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22915 for rsvp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamma.isi.edu (gamma.isi.edu [128.9.144.145]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22878 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by gamma.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14193; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03897; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marconi.com (dcharlap-pc.dc.fore.com [169.144.136.107]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03438; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AD54A2.2A62EFBB@marconi.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:38:26 -0400 From: David Charlap X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@UU.NET CC: rsvp@ISI.EDU, int-serv@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: CR-LDP traffic parameter TLV and RSVP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Dewey wrote: > > I apologize for the wide distribution. I am not sure which mailing > list this question belongs to. > > I understand, in CR-LDP, the qos characteristics(e.g bandwidth) of > an LSP tunnel can be specified in traffic parameter (e.g CDR) TLV. > > How is this value specified in RSVP if it were used to establish a > LSP tunnel with qos characteristics? > > If sender TSPEC object is used, should the node implement integrated > services (CL,GS)? RSVP-TE defines new CTypes for the TSPEC and FLOWSPEC objects - the "Class of service" type. Best-effort is defined here. For all QoS reservations, the IntServ variations of these objects are used. In all cases (best effor or otherwise), TSPEC is mandatory in Path messages and FLOWSPEC is mandatory in Resv messages. In terms of actual usage: - The TSpec will define the level of QoS that the sender wants, as decscribed by the 5 generic token-bucket parameters: bucket rate (r), bucket size (b), peak data rate (p), minimum packet size (m) and maximum packet size (M). - An ADSPEC object is optional, but strongly recommended in this situation. The ADSPEC contains four generic parameters (hop count, bandwidth estimate, minimum latency, and composed MTU). It also contains service-specific fragments - for guaranteed service (which includes the delay-factor parameters CTot, CSum, DTot and DSum) and controlled-load. The ADSPEC defines several things. First off, its parameters are modified by the transit routers as it is passed from PHOP to NHOP, so that the parameters that arrive at the egress node contain the LUB of the parameters for all switches. (For instance, the bandwidth estimate is reduced by each switch it passes through, resulting in the egress router seeing the amount of bandwidth available in the most-congested router.) Second, the ADSPEC defines which services the sender can handle a reservation in. The presence of a service-specific fragment (GS or CL) indicates that the sender can handle that kind of reservation. Its absence indicates that it can not handle it. One thing I'm unclear on is what it means if an ADSPEC is sent with no service-specific fragments. IMO, this means that neither kind of reservation is adequate, and that something akin to best-effort should be reserved. (IOW, an ADSPEC with no service-specific fragments is almost illegal, since it would prevent any reservation from being established.) I've heard from others, however, that this means that the receiver is free to choose any kind of reservation. I'm also not sure what it means if a Path is received with an IntServ class of TSPEC but no ADSPEC. I suppose this means that the receiver is free to choose any kind of reservation, and must do so without the information that an ADSPEC would have gathered. - Anyway, once the receiver gets the Path message, it must choose the reservation. Given that MPLS is router-to-router and not application-to- application, the egress router really doesn't have too much choice in what it can try to reserve. It logically must try to reserve what the ingress node requested in its TSPEC object. To do otherwise would require knowledge beyond that which is provided by RSVP. Such meta- knowledge could be configured by an operator, or provided as a value- added feature, but IMO, it is beyond the scope of the MPLS working group. Getting back to your question about whether integrated services should be implemented, I would respond with a qualified yes. A formal IntServ stack is not necessary for MPLS with RSVP, but the switch must be able to understand the IntServ objects and be able to make appropriate reservations. If it can't do this (which should really only be true if the switch is incapable of making QoS-type reservations), then it should probably reject Path and Resv messages that include IntServ-class TSPEC and FLOWSPEC objects. -- David From rsvp-owner@ISI.EDU Wed Aug 30 17:40:53 2000 Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09639 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26607 for rsvp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26600 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 203.198.104.140 (pcd027140.netvigator.com [203.198.104.140]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA18423 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008301958.MAA18423@tnt.isi.edu> From: 46423.@ISI.EDU To: 46423.@ISI.EDU Subject: -97136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rsvp@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit come to see our greate IT site http://www.hk.super.net/~parchina