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Hi Ben,
many thanks for your comments, suggestions and the discussions. These
helped a lot in making the better document. Please find my notes in
response to your comments below under the GIM>> tag.

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:31 PM Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker <
noreply@ietf.org> wrote:

> Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for
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> COMMENT:
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>
> Thank you for the discussions around my discuss point, and the ensuing
> changes
> resulting from the discussions!  My apologies that I was tardy in
> re-reviewing after
> the updates were made.
>
> I think the core issues have been resolved, but do have a couple comments
> on the -14:
>
> Section 3 says:
>
>                   Separate BFD sessions can be established between the
>    VTEPs (IP1 and IP2) for monitoring each of the VXLAN tunnels (VNI 100
>    and 200).  Using a BFD session to monitor a set of VXLAN VNIs between
>    the same pair of VTEPs might help to detect and localize problems
>    caused by misconfiguration.  An implementation that supports this
>    specification MUST be able to control the number of BFD sessions that
>    can be created between the same pair of VTEPs.  [...]
>
> While the first two sentences are probably true, they are arguably out
> of scope for this document, since Section 6 says that BFD control
> packets on non-management VNI is outside the scope of this
> specification.

GIM>> Yes, the document describes applicability of BFD over the Management
VNI. Procedures described in the document might work for non-managemnt VNIs
but the document doesn't make any assumption about that. And that is why a
case of non-management VNI was set outside the scope of the specification.

> The third sentence is quite surprising in the context of
> this document only defining BFD for the management VNI, since multiple
> BFD sessions on the same VNI seem redundant.
>
GIM>> True. The intention was to suggest that if an implementation may be
used on non-management VNIs, then the number of concurrent BFD sessions
must be controlled. I think that it is unlikely that there will be a
document that will define BFD over VXLAN for non-managemet VNIs and
developers may appreciate some guidance this document provides.

>
> Section 5
>
>          Destination MAC: A Management VNI, which does not have any
>          tenants, will have no dedicated MAC address for decapsulated
>          traffic.  The value [TBD1] SHOULD be used in this field.
>
> While this normative language seems like the appropriate level of
> stringency, I do find myself wondering what other value might be used
> and why.  (This, of course, need not be answered in the document, though
> it could be if the answer is known and useful.)
>
GIM>> There are early implementations that have been deployed that use
other MAC values. We might disagree with their choice but wanted to allow
thier conformance to this specification.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Ben,<div>many thanks for your comments=
, suggestions and the discussions. These helped=C2=A0a lot in making the be=
tter document. Please find my notes in response to your comments below unde=
r the GIM&gt;&gt; tag.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:31 PM Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:noreply@ietf.org">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Benjamin Kaduk has entered th=
e following ballot position for<br>
draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-14: No Objection<br>
<br>
When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<br>
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this<br>
introductory paragraph, however.)<br>
<br>
<br>
Please refer to <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-crit=
eria.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s=
tatement/discuss-criteria.html</a><br>
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.<br>
<br>
<br>
The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bf=
d-vxlan/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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COMMENT:<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
Thank you for the discussions around my discuss point, and the ensuing chan=
ges<br>
resulting from the discussions!=C2=A0 My apologies that I was tardy in re-r=
eviewing after<br>
the updates were made.<br>
<br>
I think the core issues have been resolved, but do have a couple comments o=
n the -14:<br>
<br>
Section 3 says:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Separate BFD=
 sessions can be established between the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0VTEPs (IP1 and IP2) for monitoring each of the VXLAN tunnels (=
VNI 100<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and 200).=C2=A0 Using a BFD session to monitor a set of VXLAN =
VNIs between<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the same pair of VTEPs might help to detect and localize probl=
ems<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0caused by misconfiguration.=C2=A0 An implementation that suppo=
rts this<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0specification MUST be able to control the number of BFD sessio=
ns that<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0can be created between the same pair of VTEPs.=C2=A0 [...]<br>
<br>
While the first two sentences are probably true, they are arguably out<br>
of scope for this document, since Section 6 says that BFD control<br>
packets on non-management VNI is outside the scope of this<br>
specification.=C2=A0 </blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Yes, the document descri=
bes applicability of BFD over the Management VNI. Procedures described in t=
he document might work for non-managemnt=C2=A0VNIs but the document doesn&#=
39;t make any assumption about that. And that is why a case of non-manageme=
nt VNI was set outside the scope of the specification.</div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The third sentence is quite surprising i=
n the context of<br>
this document only defining BFD for the management VNI, since multiple<br>
BFD sessions on the same VNI seem redundant.<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&g=
t; True. The intention was to suggest that if an implementation may be used=
 on non-management VNIs, then the number of concurrent BFD sessions must be=
 controlled. I think that it is unlikely that there will be a document that=
 will define BFD over VXLAN for non-managemet=C2=A0VNIs and developers may =
appreciate some guidance this document provides.=C2=A0</div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Section 5<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Destination MAC: A Management VNI, which =
does not have any<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0tenants, will have no dedicated MAC addre=
ss for decapsulated<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic.=C2=A0 The value [TBD1] SHOULD be=
 used in this field.<br>
<br>
While this normative language seems like the appropriate level of<br>
stringency, I do find myself wondering what other value might be used<br>
and why.=C2=A0 (This, of course, need not be answered in the document, thou=
gh<br>
it could be if the answer is known and useful.)<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt=
;&gt; There are early implementations that have been deployed that use othe=
r MAC values. We might disagree with their choice but wanted to allow thier=
=C2=A0conformance to this specification.</div></div></div>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BFD for VXLAN
        Authors         : Santosh Pallagatti
                          Greg Mirsky
                          Sudarsan Paragiri
                          Vengada Prasad Govindan
                          Mallik Mudigonda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-15.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2020-10-01

Abstract:
   This document describes the use of the Bidirectional Forwarding
   Detection (BFD) protocol in point-to-point Virtual eXtensible Local
   Area Network (VXLAN) tunnels used to form an overlay network.


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                          Greg Mirsky
                          Sudarsan Paragiri
                          Vengada Prasad Govindan
                          Mallik Mudigonda
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Hi,

This document seems pretty straight forward to me.  A few, non blocking,
comments:

Assigning a single unicast MAC address seems slightly odd in that it isn't
globally unique, but I can't think of any good alternative.

   At the same time, a service layer BFD session may be used between the
   tenants of VTEPs IP1 and IP2 to provide end-to-end fault management
   (this use case is outside the scope of this document).  In such a
   case, for VTEPs BFD Control packets of that session are
   indistinguishable from data packets.

"for VTEPs BFD Control" => "for VTEPS, the BFD Control"

         Ethernet Header:

         Destination MAC: A Management VNI, which does not have any
         tenants, will have no dedicated MAC address for decapsulated
         traffic.  The value (TBD1) SHOULD be used in this field.

         Source MAC: MAC address associated with the originating VTEP.

Should the TypeOrLen field in the Ethernet header also be specified (presumably
set to IPv4 or IPv6)?

Regards,
Rob




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[[ comments ]]

I was tempted to ballot Discuss, but I'm not sure about re-opening old
discussions into which I've no insight (it all happened before my tenure).


[ sections 3,5 ]

* I agree with Eric Vyncke's concerns about the use of ::ffff:127.0.0.0/104
  space.  This is not especially well-motivated, nor do I think the use of
  127.0.0.0/8 is particularly well-motivated.

  In IPv6, 2001::/23 is reserved for IETF protocol assignments and in my
  opinion this is an example of where that should be used.

  There is also still plenty of space to carve out from 192.0.0.0/24 for
  internal tunnel uses like this.

  Alternatively, a better approach might be for each VTEP to allocate their
  own IPv4 and/or IPv6 link-local addresses and uses these addresses for
  whatever traffic is to be sent within the data plane.  If the VTEPs use
  inner Ethernet headers for this traffic, then this would seem to make
  more sense to me.

[ section 9 ]

* It's not clear that the security of a prohibition on routers is sufficiently
  motivating securit when the packet is logically "switched" because it's on
  the same (effectively) VLAN.  The same router forwarding prohibition applies
  to link-local IP addresses and these could be used instead.

* What prevents a machine like VM1-1 from crafting a packet with the magic
  destination MAC and src & dst IPs from the magic range?  Should there be
  text about not forwarding any packets from VMs toward the magic dst MAC?




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                          Vengada Prasad Govindan
                          Mallik Mudigonda
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Hi Rob,
thank you for your comments and apologies for the delay. I've uploaded the
new version with the updates to address your comments:

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16


Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Greg

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 11:42 AM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
> thank you for your review and helpful comments. Please find my notes
> in-line below tagged GIM>>.
> I've attached the diff highlighting the changes applied and the new
> working version of the draft.
>
> Kind regards,
> Greg
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 5:59 AM Robert Wilton via Datatracker <
> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-15: No Objection
>>
>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
>> introductory paragraph, however.)
>>
>>
>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>>
>>
>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> COMMENT:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This document seems pretty straight forward to me.  A few, non blocking,
>> comments:
>>
>> Assigning a single unicast MAC address seems slightly odd in that it isn't
>> globally unique, but I can't think of any good alternative.
>>
>>    At the same time, a service layer BFD session may be used between the
>>    tenants of VTEPs IP1 and IP2 to provide end-to-end fault management
>>    (this use case is outside the scope of this document).  In such a
>>    case, for VTEPs BFD Control packets of that session are
>>    indistinguishable from data packets.
>>
>> "for VTEPs BFD Control" => "for VTEPS, the BFD Control"
>>
> GIM>> Thank you. Accepted.
>
>>
>>          Ethernet Header:
>>
>>          Destination MAC: A Management VNI, which does not have any
>>          tenants, will have no dedicated MAC address for decapsulated
>>          traffic.  The value (TBD1) SHOULD be used in this field.
>>
>>          Source MAC: MAC address associated with the originating VTEP.
>>
>> Should the TypeOrLen field in the Ethernet header also be specified
>> (presumably
>> set to IPv4 or IPv6)?
>>
> GIM>> Thank you for the suggestion. I've added the following:
> NEW TEXT:
>          Ethertype: is set to 0x0800 if the inner IP header is IPv4, and
>          is set to 0x86DD if the inner IP header is IPv6.
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Rob,</div><div>thank you for your comments and apo=
logies for the delay. I&#39;ve uploaded the new version with the updates to=
 address your comments:</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:=
none;padding:0px"><div>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<=
/div><div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/=
" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/</a></div><div><br></div><div>There are also htmlized ver=
sions available at:</div><div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-=
ietf-bfd-vxlan-16" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.=
org/html/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16</a></div><div><a href=3D"https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16</a></=
div><div><br></div><div>A diff from the previous version is available at:</=
div><div><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bfd-vxla=
n-16" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url=
2=3Ddraft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></blockquote><div><br></di=
v>Please let me know=C2=A0if you have any questions.<div><br></div><div>Bes=
t regards,</div><div>Greg<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 11:42 AM Greg Mirsky &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Rob,<div>thank you for your review and helpful comments=
. Please find my notes in-line below tagged GIM&gt;&gt;.</div><div>I&#39;ve=
 attached the diff highlighting the changes applied and the new working ver=
sion of the draft.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Greg</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 5:59 AM Robert Wilton via Datatracker &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:noreply@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Robert Wilto=
n has entered the following ballot position for<br>
draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-15: No Objection<br>
<br>
When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<br>
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this<br>
introductory paragraph, however.)<br>
<br>
<br>
Please refer to <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-crit=
eria.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s=
tatement/discuss-criteria.html</a><br>
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.<br>
<br>
<br>
The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bf=
d-vxlan/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
COMMENT:<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
This document seems pretty straight forward to me.=C2=A0 A few, non blockin=
g,<br>
comments:<br>
<br>
Assigning a single unicast MAC address seems slightly odd in that it isn&#3=
9;t<br>
globally unique, but I can&#39;t think of any good alternative.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0At the same time, a service layer BFD session may be used betw=
een the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0tenants of VTEPs IP1 and IP2 to provide end-to-end fault manag=
ement<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(this use case is outside the scope of this document).=C2=A0 I=
n such a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0case, for VTEPs BFD Control packets of that session are<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0indistinguishable from data packets.<br>
<br>
&quot;for VTEPs BFD Control&quot; =3D&gt; &quot;for VTEPS, the BFD Control&=
quot;<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Thank you. Accepted.=C2=A0</div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ethernet Header:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Destination MAC: A Management VNI, which =
does not have any<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0tenants, will have no dedicated MAC addre=
ss for decapsulated<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic.=C2=A0 The value (TBD1) SHOULD be=
 used in this field.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Source MAC: MAC address associated with t=
he originating VTEP.<br>
<br>
Should the TypeOrLen field in the Ethernet header also be specified (presum=
ably<br>
set to IPv4 or IPv6)?<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Thank you for the su=
ggestion. I&#39;ve added the following:</div><div>NEW TEXT:</div>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ethertype: is set to 0x0800 if the inner IP header =
is IPv4, and<br><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is set to 0x86DD if =
the inner IP header is IPv6.=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<br>
Regards,<br>
Rob<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'BFD for VXLAN'
  (draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-16.txt) as Informational RFC

This document is the product of the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Deborah Brungard and Martin
Vigoureux.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/




Technical Summary

This document describes the use of the Bidirectional Forwarding
Detection (BFD - RFC 5880) protocol in Virtual eXtensible Local Area Network
(VXLAN) overlay networks.

Working Group Summary

This document has received community review with opportunities to comment in
relevant working groups such as BFD, NVO3, and BESS.  It is of interest to
parties that operate VXLAN networks and wish to provide continuity checks for
tunnels interconnecting virtual machines in such networks.

Document Quality

The document received a number of comments during IETF LC and directorate reviews, all of which where addressed.
The more important ones related to the use of a special VNI as a management channel, and the use of which MAC DA for the inner ethernet frame.
At the time of working group last call, there are two known implementations of
this mechanism.  No special reviewers were required for this document.

Personnel

Document Shepherd: Jeffrey Haas, BFD co-chair.
Responsible Area Director: Martin Vigoureux.


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