From nobody Tue Jun 3 03:39:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDA91A0198 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5CcCPBjweuFk for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07AC11A01A0 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by omfedm12.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id C18D018C3EE for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:39:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.5]) by omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id A31EA27C07C for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:39:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([169.254.4.246]) by OPEXCLILH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:39:22 +0200 From: To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03.txt Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHPefOyESAdv20HH02eg6JxXc256ZtVlPwAgAALmjCAAybIQIAASleAgAYqfQA= Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:39:21 +0000 Message-ID: <9818_1401791965_538DA5DD_9818_6277_1_4a577a8a-b98f-44ee-8cf5-a9c4fce58b28@OPEXCLILH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <20140527213608.31267.80528.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9235_1401261459_53858D93_9235_2274_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92011FDB@OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0714E281@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92012715@OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0714F1C2@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0714F1C2@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.6.3.100619 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/2p3dRuHrfC5_uKNP3qLT3A6OaUI X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:39:36 -0000 Ok thanks Bruno I will take this into account. -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN=20 Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 30 mai 2014 14:36 =C0=A0: LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF; rtgwg@ietf.org Objet=A0: RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03.txt Hi St=E9phane, Please see 1 point inline =20 > Hi St=E9phane, >=20 > Looks good, thanks. >=20 > I have a question related to object "ipFrrAltType" >=20 > > loopFreeRemote (4), -- remote loop free alternate > > loopFreeTunnel (5), -- loop free alternate using a configured=20 > > tunnel >=20 > > loopFreeRemote : remote LFA as described in=20 > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-remote- > lfa > > loopFreeTunnel : remote LFA reachable through a RSVP-TE or GRE=20 > > tunnel >=20 > It's not clear to me what exactly is the difference between=20 > loopFreeRemote and loopFreeTunnel: > Is this the type of tunnels: explicitly routed (i.e. RSVP-TE) vs=20 > following the shortest path (i.e. LDP, GRE,=20 > draft-ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa Is this the determination of the required=20 > tunnels: automatically computed (i.e. draft- ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa,=20 > automatic RSVP-TE LSP bypass tunnel to the next- > hop) vs configured. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Current description seems to mix both aspects. >=20 > [SLI] Good point ! :) I had some concern to express this ... the idea=20 > was to differentiate rLFA alternates (based on the draft) from other=20 > tunneled alternate. If you have a good way to express it , I will take it= ... >=20 > > loopFreeTI : remote LFA reachable through a SPRING tunnel > To some expect, the question also applies to "loopFreeTI" where there=20 > is a mix of FRR algorithm (how is the alternate computed i.e. TI FRR)=20 > and the type of tunnels to reach the alternate (here SPRING tunnels,=20 > while in theory the alternate could equally be reached using a=20 > RSVP-TE+ T-LDP tunnels >=20 > I'm open to any solution. IMHO the description of the FRR algo is the=20 > more > important: > ipFrrAltType OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > other (1), -- type not defined > equalCost (2), -- primary path > loopFreeConnected (3), -- loop free connec= ted alternate > (LFA) > loopFreeRemote (4), -- remote loop free alternat= e (RLFA) > loopFreeNH (5), -- loop free alternate using a t= unnel toward the > Next Hop > loopFreeNNH (6), -- loop free alternate using a = tunnel toward > the Next Next Hop > loopFreeTI (7), -- loop free alternate using= topology > independent algorithm > mrt (8) -- Maximally Redundant Trees > } >=20 > [SLI] Agree, but in your proposal what is exactly loopFreeNH and=20 > loopFreeNNH ? loopFreeNH or may be "Next Hop" : Next Hop (5), -- loop free alternate usi= ng an explicitly routed tunnel toward the original Next Hop (link protecti= on only) This typically what is offered by a single hop RSVP-TE LSP over th= e protected link. NextNextHop (5), -- loop free alternate using an explicitly routed tunn= el toward the original Next Next Hop By "original Next Hop" I mean the Next Hop in the current IGP topology (aka= "old" during FRR activation/pre failure) Thanks, Bruno =20 > If you believe that we also need the type of tunnels/forwarding=20 > infrastructure, another object could be added > ipFrrTunnType OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > other (1), -- type not defined > LDP (2) > IP (3), GRE, L2TP... > RSVP-TE (4) > SPRING MPLS (5) > SPRING IPv6 (6) > Multi-topology (7) > } >=20 > [SLI] Yes , this may be very interesting, I will add it. >=20 >=20 > Bruno >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20 > > stephane.litkowski@orange.com > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:18 AM > > To: rtgwg@ietf.org > > Subject: FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03.txt > > > > Hi all, > > > > To followup discussion in London, I updated the IP FRR MIB draft=20 > > with some new things : > > - different objects for IPv4 and IPv6 protection stats > > - Interface configuration table > > - IPFRR instance table as we may expect to have multiple flavors=20 > > running on a common node > > - Protectstats per instance table. > > - Few other things > > > > Feel free to comment and propose addings/corrections. > > > > > > Stephane > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf=20 > > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 23:36 > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group Working=20 > > Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : IP MIB for IP Fast-Reroute > > Authors : Alia Atlas > > Cisco Systems > > John Flick > > Stephane Litkowski > > Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03.txt > > Pages : 26 > > Date : 2014-05-27 > > > > Abstract: > > This draft defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) > > for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. > > In particular, it describes managed objects relevant for IP routes > > using IP Fast-Reroute [RFC5714] > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib/ > > > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-03 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.i= etf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or=20 > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations=20 > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre=20 > > diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thread-Index: Ac9/GWcFPLsom/SLR5iVcC2bL13zjQ== Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:51:18 +0000 Message-ID: <5124_1401792679_538DA8A7_5124_6831_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92013205@OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92013205OPEXCLILM34corpor_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.6.3.23020 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/VBMMZkxUUbUSpgro1QbwyQH13VM Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:51:29 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92013205OPEXCLILM34corpor_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG chairs, Did you have a chance to look at the last version of the document ? 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Hi WG chairs,

 

 

Did you have a chance to look a= t the last version of the document ? We would like to make this docume= nt progressing and we think it may be ready for WGLC and  if you (or a= nyone else) have any point to raise, we would be happy to address it.

 

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Stephane

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--_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92013205OPEXCLILM34corpor_-- From nobody Tue Jun 10 14:03:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CDC1A02D8 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id khERlnF2Ra4y for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A57CA1A02D6 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79df6d000002de0-40-53971f5a869a Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.81]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 77.EB.11744.A5F17935; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:08:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:03:09 -0400 From: Jeff Tantsura To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: FW: Improving and Restructuring the Routing Area Thread-Topic: Improving and Restructuring the Routing Area Thread-Index: AQHPhOjSOiiMP6NL+k+Xj+YUNhAXKZtqoqmA Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.1.140326 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CFBCBFA865F29jefftantsuraericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrNLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoG6U/PRgg0trjS0uvPnN7MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujEvbZzEXXM6p6P3UyN7AeCGqi5GTQ0LARGLe5GYmCFtM4sK9 9WxdjFwcQgJHGSVuLfzHBOEsZ5RoX3SAEaSKTcBA4v+34ywgtoiAqkTvrFY2EFtYwFLi/JUZ UHErif8325khbCOJh3s+gfWyANWvPvcazOYVMJe40noDrFdIYDqjxKomKRCbUyBQ4vOvBrBe RqCLvp9aA3Yds4C4xK0n86EuFZBYsuc8M4QtKvHy8T9WEFtUQE/i3XGYGkWJff3T2SF6YySe vn4KtVdQ4uTMJywTGEVnIRk7C0nZLCRlEHEdiQW7P7FB2NoSyxa+Zoaxzxx4DNVrLfF2zk0W ZDULGDlWMXKUFqeW5aYbGW5iBMbWMQk2xx2MCz5ZHmIU4GBU4uFVuD4tWIg1say4MvcQozQH i5I4755rVcFCAumJJanZqakFqUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OKUaGGcUvsuRv6toOXPbBp8VDbK88fe2 TDCwmZRzRy3y6iTjJ7kbw3WYudyrD85Nel/79rifn4me4yYV7UnVW7IVpr+reZ0pfGjJrc/O OYU97eJ/6g34dLRSnGtb5u/9+Myg1V1nxv7sv0EFf56rHZ3e8GjO+SeOnXpv5nzaszviHu/S r09amFYL6CqxFGckGmoxFxUnAgD2LWlXjgIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/y94dnoRQm57BhDzSEUD_m-rzgvk X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:03:16 -0000 --_000_CFBCBFA865F29jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear rtgwgers, Please be aware of the ongoing effort to improve the IETF Routing Area , pl= ease also note that discussion will happen on routing-discussion@ietf.org. So if you want to participate then please join that list. Cheers, Jeff ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alia Atlas > Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM Subject: Improving and Restructuring the Routing Area To: routing-discussion@ietf.org To all participants in the Routing Area, Adrian and I are working on improving the quality, speed, and experience of getting work done in the IETF Routing Area. There are three initiatives that we are working: WG Draft QA, Routing Area specific WG chair training, and reorganizing the working groups in the area. First, we intend to use our Routing Directorate more proactively by introducing a Working Group Draft Quality Assurance (WG Draft QA) process where the same selected routing directorate member will review a draft during WG draft adoption and during WG last call. The process will be documented on the Routing Area wiki (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki). This should allow directorate reviews to report technical issues that can actually get fixed early in the process (equivalent of bug reports) as opposed to just noting the concerns in the drafts (equivalent of release notes). Second, as was discussed during the recent IESG retreat, in addition to the IETF-wide WG chair training, we intend to have a series of training sessions for WG Chairs in the Routing Area addressing topics such as judging consensus, project management, motivating volunteers, using the datatracker (via a sandbox version that can be played with safely), and sharing experiences between WG chairs. Third, we intend to reorganize the working groups in the Routing area. We feel that it is important to focus on areas where there is active interest in standardization and to be open and able to accept new work into the area. As you know, we have had several new working groups (nvo3, i2rs, sfc, spring) created in the last few years and we need to be open and able to handle more new work as it comes in. We would also like to improve the signal-to-noise ratio experienced by participants in the different working groups and improve the quantity and quality of discussion and reviews. It is likely that not all WGs in the Routing Area will be directly affected. Here is the time-line for reorganizing the WGs. NOW: public discussion on routing-discussion@ietf.org about how to reorganize the working groups to best meet our motivations. Additional focused discussions are expected on the rtg-chairs@ietf.org and rtg-dir@ietf.org mailing lists. In Toronto: There will be meetings with the WG chairs and the Routing Directorate to get the ideas described and agreed upon. At the Routing Area Meeting in Toronto: Discuss the set of reorganized WGs and general charter content in the Routing Area meeting. September 2014: Based upon the feedback, suggestions, and discussion, Adrian and I finalize the reorganized WG charters. We start the internal IESG discussion and public reviews. October 2014: Formal rechartering process completes. In Honolulu: The new set of WGs meet. After Honolulu: Adrian and I deal with any issues and charter updates based upon a few months of experience. Here are the motivations that Adrian and I would like to be considered when coming up with ideas for how the WGs should be reorganized. 1) Move towards organizing working groups on functional responsibilities rather than scoping them to specific protocols. 2) Split giant working groups so relevant work is done in one place and there is an improved signal-to-noise ratio for participants who are only interested in a slice of the current working group's work. 3) Create synergies for scattered functionality (example ideas: OAM, FRR, traffic-engineering) 4) Create a DISPATCH working group for clear new idea discussion; rtgwg serves some of this purpose but doesn't have a clear process and isn't drawing in the new ideas. 5) Focus Routing Area time on design centers rather than on far corner cases. 6) Each working group should have clear, well defined, and achievable go= als. Noting that the Routing Area has inherited some of its WG structure from the sub-IP area, it is not a goal to force IP routing and MPLS routing to remain separated. The goal of this reorganization is not closing working groups. Adrian and Alia are perfectly capable of closing working groups without going through restructuring. For those of you that have read this far, thank you. Getting this 80% right is going to take some serious discussion and thought. We all work in the Routing Area together with different perspectives. Please think carefully and help us have a highly focused discussion. Thanks, Alia and Adrian --_000_CFBCBFA865F29jefftantsuraericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <62B4ED1CD6270842BBC0602AD85832A3@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear rtgwgers,

Please be aware of the ongoing effort to improve the IETF Routing Area= , please also note that discussion will happen on routing-discussion@ietf.= org.  
So if you want to participate then please join that list. 

Cheers,
Jeff


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM
Subject: Improving and Restructuring the Routing Area
To: routing-discussion@ietf.= org


To all participants in the Routing Area,

Adrian and I are working on improving the quality, speed, and
experience of getting work done in the IETF Routing Area.  There = are
three initiatives that we are working: WG Draft QA, Routing Area
specific WG chair training, and reorganizing the working groups in the=
area.

First, we intend to use our Routing Directorate more proactively by
introducing a Working Group Draft Quality Assurance (WG Draft QA)
process where the same selected routing directorate member will review=
a draft during WG draft adoption and during WG last call.  The pr= ocess
will be documented on the Routing Area wiki
directorate reviews to report technical issues that can actually get
fixed early in the process (equivalent of bug reports) as opposed to
just noting the concerns in the drafts (equivalent of release notes).<= /div>

Second, as was discussed during the recent IESG retreat, in addition
to the IETF-wide WG chair training, we intend to have a series of
training sessions for WG Chairs in the Routing Area addressing topics<= /div>
such as judging consensus, project management, motivating volunteers,<= /div>
using the datatracker (via a sandbox version that can be played
with safely), and sharing experiences between WG chairs.

Third, we intend to reorganize the working groups in the Routing area.=
We feel that it is important to focus on areas where there is active
interest in standardization and to be open and able to accept new work=
into the area.  As you know, we have had several new working grou= ps
(nvo3, i2rs, sfc, spring) created in the last few years and we need to=
be open and able to handle more new work as it comes in.  We woul= d
also like to improve the signal-to-noise ratio experienced by
participants in the different working groups and improve the quantity<= /div>
and quality of discussion and reviews.  It is likely that not all= WGs
in the Routing Area will be directly affected.

Here is the time-line for reorganizing the WGs.

   NOW: public discussion on routing-discussion@ietf.org about how to
   reorganize the working groups to best meet our motivation= s.
   Additional focused discussions are expected on the
   = rtg-chairs@ietf.org and rtg-dir@ietf.org = mailing lists.

   In Toronto: There will be meetings with the WG chairs and= the
   Routing Directorate to get the ideas described and agreed= upon.

   At the Routing Area Meeting in Toronto: Discuss the set o= f
   reorganized WGs and general charter content in the Routin= g Area
   meeting.

   September 2014: Based upon the feedback, suggestions, and=
   discussion, Adrian and I finalize the reorganized WG char= ters.  We
   start the internal IESG discussion and public reviews.

   October 2014: Formal rechartering process completes.

   In Honolulu: The new set of WGs meet.

   After Honolulu: Adrian and I deal with any issues and cha= rter
   updates based upon a few months of experience.

Here are the motivations that Adrian and I would like to be considered=
when coming up with ideas for how the WGs should be reorganized.

   1) Move towards organizing working groups on functional
   responsibilities rather than scoping them to specific pro= tocols.

   2) Split giant working groups so relevant work is done in= one place
   and there is an improved signal-to-noise ratio for partic= ipants who
   are only interested in a slice of the current working gro= up's work.

   3) Create synergies for scattered functionality (example = ideas:
   OAM, FRR, traffic-engineering)

   4) Create a DISPATCH working group for clear new idea dis= cussion;
   rtgwg serves some of this purpose but doesn't have a clea= r process
   and isn't drawing in the new ideas.

   5) Focus Routing Area time on design centers rather than = on far
   corner cases.

   6) Each working group should have clear, well defined, an= d achievable goals.

Noting that the Routing Area has inherited some of its WG structure
from the sub-IP area, it is not a goal to force IP routing and MPLS
routing to remain separated.

The goal of this reorganization is not closing working groups.  A= drian
and Alia are perfectly capable of closing working groups without going=
through restructuring.

For those of you that have read this far, thank you.  Getting thi= s 80%
right is going to take some serious discussion and thought.  We a= ll
work in the Routing Area together with different perspectives.  P= lease
think carefully and help us have a highly focused discussion.

Thanks,
Alia and Adrian


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v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9163; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1402474019; x=1403683619; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0r2RtizjQj+RuJGMK4ADQ5rygT9xH6gHsR09pzxlQUo=; b=IkWPiKLqwLYIEpa/Z0s7KSLYhCKcFwx1kxYlg+BtJq7QYUOTfew52Uw1 +vmXjjmViPpJdqCirL7UrzkT41l58JJVbicQROX6lMyjkddg/0i7fHkC2 axJzDDE/MqvvirBkO5XNZE8A6S5WOFXlFIlVSKm3al7KL/1VtxQoB9ujV w=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,456,1400025600"; d="scan'208";a="77556071" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Jun 2014 08:06:58 +0000 Received: from [10.55.51.202] (ams-ppsenak-8719.cisco.com [10.55.51.202]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5B86v0v023785; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:06:57 GMT Message-ID: <53980E21.7000904@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:06:57 +0200 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: liu.bin21@zte.com.cn Subject: Re: =?GB2312?B?tPC4tDogUmU6IFJlcGx5IHRvIGNvbW1lbnRzIC0tIENvbXBhcg==?= =?GB2312?B?aXNvbiBiZXR3ZWVuIEZBUiBhbmQgT1NQRg==?= References: <53746188.7050902@cisco.com> <201406110518.s5B5IhVH013734@mse01.zte.com.cn> In-Reply-To: <201406110518.s5B5IhVH013734@mse01.zte.com.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/Hkg8u6AGSaIF3o36vp2AzAqKj_I Cc: rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, ytsun , adrian@olddog.co.uk, rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:07:02 -0000 Richard, On 6/11/14 06:11 , liu.bin21@zte.com.cn wrote: > Peter: > > "the arguments you use against existing IGPs would be valid 20 years > ago, but not today." > No matter in which year the arguments are referenced, the difference is > significant, which is determined by two different design concepts. that is not a valid argument. The fact that there is a difference does not mean anything, unless the difference itself makes an impact. > > "First, links have high bandwidth, CPUs are fast and any serious IGP > implementation has addressed the bottlenecks you are talking about." > As the number of nodes increases and the high bandwidth is required, the > number of protocol packets which are transmitted and needed to be > processed is growing exponentially. But the CPU of a switch can only > process a few hundred packets per second; therefore, the processing > capacity of the CPU limits the increase of the number of nodes. I have > tried to adjust the processing capacity of the CPU in the actual > commercial systems, the processing capacity may be increased to > thousands packets per second in some way, but at the expense of other > protocol processing performance. Therefore, in the large-scale FAT TREE > system, the processing capacity of the CPU in those commercial systems > cannot cope with a large number of OSPF protocol packets. > > 'These days IGPs can support thousands of nodes in an area without any > problem, and converge sub-second, with precomputed backups, even withing > few tens of miliseconds.' > For thousands of nodes, it is still a small scale. Once it comes up to > tens of thousands of nodes, IGP will not do the job. above is an academic statement. First, you need to provide a real world scenario where tens of thousands of nodes need to be deployed in a flat area. Secondly you need to describe why the current IGPs would not be able to do the job or be improved to do it. > > 'There are real deployments that clearly prove it, it's not an academic > statement.' > I have developed and implemented a lot of routing and switching > commercial systems. These issues are not academic statements, but the > real lessons. > > 'Even the periodic flooding can be avoided completely using RFC 4136.' > RFC 4136 is only applicable to medium-sized networks. In terms of tens > of thousands of nodes in the data centers nowadays, it cannot do the job. > > We need to be open-minded to adapt to the increasing scales of data > centers. being open minded is fine. Defining a new protocol requires more then just being open minded, otherwise we would have hundreds of routing protocols defined already. thanks, Peter > > Regards, > > Richard Bin Liu > > > > *Peter Psenak * > > 2014/05/15 14:41 > > > ÊÕ¼þÈË > liu.bin21@zte.com.cn, Hannes Gredler , "Alvaro > Retana (aretana)" , > ³­ËÍ > adrian@olddog.co.uk, ytsun , > rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org > Ö÷Ìâ > Re: Reply to comments -- Comparison between FAR and OSPF > > > > > > > > > Liu, > > the arguments you use against existing IGPs would be valid 20 years ago, > but not today. First, links have high bandwidth, CPUs are fast and any > serious IGP implementation has addressed the bottlenecks you are talking > about. These days IGPs can support thousands of nodes in an area without > any problem, and converge sub-second, with precomputed backups, even > withing few tens of miliseconds. There are real deployments that clearly > prove it, it's not an academic statement. Even the periodic flooding can > be avoided completely using RFC 4136. > > regards, > Peter > > > On 5/15/14 07:08 , liu.bin21@zte.com.cn wrote: > > > > Greeting all: > > > > I read comments on our draft, thank you for your comments. > > > > And some questions had already been replied in our latest FAR > > presentation material(not been presented at the meeting because of > > hard-deadline): > > > > --------"Draft is highly subjective. Data Centers are using existing > > protocols without problems." > > Why OSPF and other conventional routing methods do not work well in a > > large-scale network with several thousands of routers? > > As everyone knows, the OSPF protocol uses multiple databases, more > > topological exchange information (as seen in the following example) and > > complicated algorithm. It requires routers to consume more memory and > > CPU processing capability. But the processing rate of CPU on the > > protocol message per second is very limited. When the network expands, > > CPU will quickly approach its processing limits, and at this time OSPF > > can not continue to expand the scale of the management. The SPF > > algorithm itself does not thoroughly solve these problems. > > > > On the contrary, FAR does not have the convergence time delay and the > > additional CPU overheads, which SPF requires. Because in the initial > > stage, FAR already knows the regular information of the whole network > > topology and does not need to periodically do SPF operation. > > > > One of the examples of "more topological exchange information": > > In the OSPF protocol, LSA floods every 1800 seconds. Especially in the > > larger network, the occupation of CPU and band bandwidth will soon reach > > the router¡¯s performance bottleneck. > > In order to reduce these adverse effects, OSPF introduced the concept of > > Area, which still has not solved the problem thoroughly). By dividing > > the OSPF Area into several areas, the routers in the same area do not > > need to know the topological details outside their area. (In comparison > > with FAR, after OSPF introducing the concept of Area, the equivalent > > paths cannot be selected in the whole network scope) > > > > OSPF can achieve the following results by Area : > > 1) Routers only need to maintain the same link state databases as other > > routers within the same Area, without the necessity of maintaining the > > same link state database as all routers in the whole OSPF domain. > > 2) The reduction of the link state databases means dealing with > > relatively fewer LSA, which reduces the CPU consumption of routers; > > 3) The large number of LSAs flood only within the same Area. > > But, its negative effect is that the smaller number of routers which can > > be managed in each OSPF area. > > On the contrary, because FAR does not have the above disadvantages, FAR > > can also manage large-scale network even without dividing Areas. > > > > The aging time of OSPF is set in order to adapt to routing > > transformation and protocol message exchange happened frequently in the > > irregular topology. Its negative effect is: > > when the network does not change, the LSA needs to be refreshed every > > 1800 seconds to reset the aging time. In the regular topology, as the > > routings are fixed, it does not need the complex protocol message > > exchange and aging rules to reflect the routing changes, as long as LFA > > mechanism in the FAR is enough. > > > > Therefore, in FAR, we can omit many unnecessary processing and the > > packet exchange. The benefits are fast convergence speed and much larger > > network scale than other dynamic routing protocol. > > Now there are some successful implementations of simplified routings in > > the regular topology in the HPC environment. > > Conclusion: As FAR needs few routing entries and the topology is > > regular, the database does not need to be updated regularly. Without the > > need for aging, there is no need for CPU and bandwidth overhead brought > > by LSA flood every 30 minutes, so the expansion of the network has no > > obvious effect on the performance of FAR, which is contrary to OSPF. > > > > --------"Network convergence doesn't follow link state > > dynamics - Fast reroute exists. " > > > > Comparison of convergence time: > > The settings of OSPF spf_delay and spf_hold_time can affect the change > > of convergence time. The convergence time of the network with 2480 nodes > > is about 15-20 seconds(as seen in the following pages); while the FAR > > does not need to calculate the SFP, so there is no such convergence time. > > These issues *still exist*in rapid convergence technology of OSPF and > > ISIS (such as I-SPF). The convergence speed and network scale constraint > > each other. FAR does not have the above problems, and the convergence > > time is almost negligible. > > > > And test data is been include in another pptx material named OSPF in > > DCN(2).pptx, which can be download from IETF. > > > > Looking forward to further discussion. > > > > Best. > > > > Richard Bin Liu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > > > From nobody Wed Jun 11 02:03:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FD41A0286 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 02:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_SK=1.35, HOST_EQ_SK=0.555, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SeFr3kqERMmw for ; 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[2001:6e8:288::d]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k1sm24371438lbb.9.2014.06.11.03.00.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Jun 2014 03:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:00:02 +0300 From: Saku Ytti To: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: =?utf-8?B?562U5aSN?= =?utf-8?Q?=3A?= Re: Reply to comments -- Comparison between FAR and OSPF Message-ID: <20140611100002.GA19031@pob.ytti.fi> References: <53746188.7050902@cisco.com> <201406110518.s5B5IhVH013734@mse01.zte.com.cn> <53980E21.7000904@cisco.com> <61DC6BC4ABA10E4489D4A73EBABAC18B011F0C6B@EX01.swan.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <61DC6BC4ABA10E4489D4A73EBABAC18B011F0C6B@EX01.swan.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/SdTRfF-CQ-z2PPQLQ_yoqg57yD0 X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:00:11 -0000 On (2014-06-11 09:03 +0000), Vitkovský Adam wrote: > However to be honest I'd like to see the existing protocols to scale better. > In my opinion any new IGP protocol would get a cold welcome in carrier grade environments even though it could heal all the problems. It's quite unfortunate already today how ISIS and OSPF get features at different times as every feature needs to be specifically encoded to both protocols via separate RFC. I think this problem could be abstracted away by having common IGP container, then per IGP specification how container is encoded to wire in one specific IGP. Net result would be, that when new feature uses common IGP container format, it would be standardized for both/all IGPs at the same time. -- ++ytti From nobody Wed Jun 11 20:21:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3D81B2970 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:21:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w4bF-9_2aEUX for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1blp0182.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABCDF1A0495 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CH1PRD0510HT002.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.255.150.37) by DM2PR05MB270.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.100.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.954.9; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:21:25 +0000 Received: from [172.29.66.152] (193.110.55.19) by pod51010.outlook.com (10.255.150.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.459.0; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:21:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Reply to comments -- Comparison between FAR and OSPF MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: Hannes Gredler In-Reply-To: <20140611100002.GA19031@pob.ytti.fi> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 05:21:18 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <4109F1BF-6E64-4354-82AE-F1A26DFB5AF5@juniper.net> References: <53746188.7050902@cisco.com> <201406110518.s5B5IhVH013734@mse01.zte.com.cn> <53980E21.7000904@cisco.com> <61DC6BC4ABA10E4489D4A73EBABAC18B011F0C6B@EX01.swan.local> <20140611100002.GA19031@pob.ytti.fi> To: Saku Ytti X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: [193.110.55.19] X-Microsoft-Antispam: BL:0; ACTION:Default; RISK:Low; SCL:0; SPMLVL:NotSpam; PCL:0; RULEID: X-Forefront-PRVS: 02408926C4 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(428001)(199002)(189002)(377454003)(377424004)(24454002)(51704005)(33656002)(77156001)(87286001)(85852003)(89996001)(87936001)(92726001)(92566001)(81542001)(81342001)(77096999)(50986999)(93886003)(76482001)(99396002)(46102001)(57306001)(104166001)(86362001)(83072002)(76176999)(77982001)(93916002)(83716003)(88136002)(101416001)(31966008)(4396001)(50466002)(50226001)(21056001)(74662001)(102836001)(74502001)(83322001)(82746002)(80022001)(36756003)(62966002)(66066001)(23746002)(47776003)(79102001)(64706001)(20776003)(104396001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR05MB270; H:CH1PRD0510HT002.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Received-SPF: None (: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) Authentication-Results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=hannes@juniper.net; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/Huq6zIPQydHUleBJJI5L9sqQP44 Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:21:30 -0000 On Jun 11, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2014-06-11 09:03 +0000), Vitkovsk=FD Adam wrote: >=20 >> However to be honest I'd like to see the existing protocols to scale = better.=20 >> In my opinion any new IGP protocol would get a cold welcome in = carrier grade environments even though it could heal all the problems.=20= >=20 > It's quite unfortunate already today how ISIS and OSPF get features at > different times as every feature needs to be specifically encoded to = both > protocols via separate RFC. > I think this problem could be abstracted away by having common IGP = container, > then per IGP specification how container is encoded to wire in one = specific > IGP. Net result would be, that when new feature uses common IGP = container > format, it would be standardized for both/all IGPs at the same time. given that OSPFv3 and IS-IS are now at par from an extensibility POV, above would make a whole lot sense. i mean we do not need to specify each and every bit redundant for both OSPF and IS-IS when all what is need is an application object which is shared across different protocol carriers. - the segment routing extensions are actually an excellent example to demonstrate the IGP dilemma =85 the application level object is pretty much identical for IS-IS, OSPF and BGP-LS, yet we need to I-D things three times =85 /hannes= From nobody Fri Jun 13 02:53:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA351ABB90; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 02:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JwIxKPuC_gdj; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 02:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BE71A00CA; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 02:53:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-04.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.5.0.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140613095319.28456.874.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 02:53:19 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/6iMZOpa-OMHPjHkEqG_TCBb8esI Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:53:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP MIB for IP Fast-Reroute Authors : Alia Atlas Cisco Systems John Flick Stephane Litkowski Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-04.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2014-06-13 Abstract: This draft defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes managed objects relevant for IP routes using IP Fast-Reroute [RFC5714] The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 13 14:22:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE7C1B2A58; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zVuNydWZuuis; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D6731A025A; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:22:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1410; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1402694564; x=1403904164; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=L2GKy/AQcy0kQMhDORIl+S/1T5vp+hUEzqR1W1AMbBM=; b=lcKESWAMaQBs7NIoatnHmPwXPEPCU7AuuSqaDHKBYS8pWk/BTtrrRAqu LsXoqU6Mbkb/kW9szKZm+326UOAJ+wjKH+xO/IURLutgy7t87CU36OXk0 cw35SFPpCyHUGh2chjh4ZLMQT7ZkcYzaw3Ozlj59tZKkNvCKhiYNU4rl6 Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmsHAJRqm1OtJV2d/2dsb2JhbABagkZHgSupXgEBAQEBAQUBmSKBBxZ1g3oQeRIBCwF0JwQOiEfSGheFXYkChEgEmjeTV4M+gjA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,473,1400025600"; d="scan'208,217";a="333086421" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2014 21:22:43 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com [173.37.183.75]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5DLMhVG011596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:22:43 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.180]) by xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([173.37.183.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:22:43 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "pim@ietf.org" Subject: WGLC for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr (in rtgwg) Thread-Topic: WGLC for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr (in rtgwg) Thread-Index: AQHPh02c3DBlwQpwNkyDmvqUMbFQ1A== Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:22:43 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CFC0E3E05B06Aaretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/EmP57So5HkUdKRWaMeV1csog0dY Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:22:45 -0000 --_000_CFC0E3E05B06Aaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pim WG: Hi! Please be aware that draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr has gone through WGLC in rtgwg.= Because of this WG's multicast experience, we would be grateful to receiv= e any comments. We are waiting for IPR confirmation from the authors, so w= e still have a short window. Thanks! Alvaro. --_000_CFC0E3E05B06Aaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
pim WG:

Hi!

Please be aware that draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr has gone through WGLC= in rtgwg.  Because of this WG's multicast experience, we would be gra= teful to receive any comments.  We are waiting for IPR confirmation fr= om the authors, so we still have a short window.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
--_000_CFC0E3E05B06Aaretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Fri Jun 13 14:23:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682621B2A63 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:22:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.152 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zwqk-DXpxhSu for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97DFC1B2A62 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=928; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1402694578; x=1403904178; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=gD1cIn84HYvhwcjyKdlmGv6ivMkx9P4TqKjtJ8P7QSc=; b=f8pI7ylP1mOOeEsBdNyRdI/jEZbccR/Gy88rj3kUOL6B1dgTrf8YDuQA wGd3TVrblbB33LCR6kM6tZhzvWAOOizdkAzmqTSc3LPdrU0TFPTh5TTpQ ZonyR2Yf4SXrE8fRDoF1ueEF+5otKh/jAyCctAvAZqdrMe4eMtB/vA2E4 g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak8HAJRqm1OtJA2M/2dsb2JhbABagw2BK6leAQEBAQEBBQGZIgGBBhZ1hAMBAQEDATo/EAIBCDYQMiUCBA4FiDoI0hoXhV2JAgeEQQEDmjeTV4M+gjA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,473,1400025600"; d="scan'208";a="52947684" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2014 21:22:57 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5DLMu1B015827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:22:56 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.180]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:22:56 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" Subject: Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr Thread-Topic: WGLC for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr Thread-Index: AQHPPz7K8hNpTHe0LUm1JLi/CDk63A== Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:22:55 +0000 Message-ID: References: <11338_1400167008_5374DA60_11338_18583_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0714A838@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <11338_1400167008_5374DA60_11338_18583_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0714A838@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <35CDFB09777B7341B28F58D7A63FF485@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/CEyEk_eVhFgD0eeDt_sYX4h2smc Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:22:59 -0000 On 5/15/14 12:16 PM, "bruno.decraene@orange.com" wrote: Bruno: Hi! >We have just published v04 which should address your comments. > >Please find below the answer to each of your comments. Just a couple of responses to your responses.. Thanks! Alvaro. . . . > >> Nits: > >>1. Abstract. You mention "IPTV deployments", but isn't it any >>streaming media application over IP? Maybe just splitting hairs..but a >>good intro/abstract is important. > >Author Response: Not sure what you mean here. The point is that IPTV is not the only application for MoFRR. IOW, I don't want to give the impression that it is the only case. . . . > >>12. References to MPLS-OAM, BFD, MVPN.. > >Author Response: Done The point here was not to just define/expand them, but more to point at a document that talks about them (informational reference). From nobody Fri Jun 13 14:23:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19431B2A6A for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:23:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id By9KkGQc91dB for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BC451B2A69 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:23:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6058; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1402694585; x=1403904185; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=ppNHPh4gavXOk+le87/Np7LSpvS1czxDec4uGBQLQc8=; b=iwmYfD9HQrVsXbbQandxJm9PCzouy7JZ2lNhHlfKpcHltPjLxVLiNGX3 m28PZrOdgvVh2VNgDCRFiRvca1y9D1NUmJwv9wz1MBf+mnv3wDodQflWP ZcqvvK8p+6rxqYu+Ct+UJq6SlV9+wccCw+te94kg0bFi3Xm5Iheo/IEiG 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIPAFhqm1OtJV2d/2dsb2JhbABagkZHUlmpUgwBAQEBAQEFAYMJjQqJDwGBBhZ1hAQBAQR5EAIBCD8HMhQRAgQOBYhCDdIOF4VdiH4EB4RBBJo3gUOSFIM+gjA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.01,473,1400025600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="52961295" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2014 21:23:04 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com [173.37.183.89]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5DLN4vI011774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:23:04 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.180]) by xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com ([173.37.183.89]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:23:04 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr Thread-Topic: IPR Claims related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr Thread-Index: AQHPPz9L2w2bbTUN3EO+tBGO/aSUWg== Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CFC0B7045ACAFaretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/9shepf0bmP6uGgyIEtJzK8OpmSs Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:23:09 -0000 --_000_CFC0B7045ACAFaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors/Contributors: Hi! We haven't made further progress since my last e-mail in collecting IPR sta= tements.. We're still missing a response from Apoorva, Clarence, Dino, Uwe and Nicola= i. Thanks! Alvaro. On 4/30/14 4:42 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > wrote: Authors/Contributors: We've made some progress and now we have received replies from the followin= g people: Ice, Bruno, Wim and Jeff (as a contributor). Again, we do need to hear from everyone before proceeding.. Thanks! Alvaro. On 4/11/14 9:35 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > wrote: Authors/Contributors: So far I have only heard back from Jeff Tantsura (as a contributor), who po= inted at an additional piece of IPR: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2332= / We must hear from all of you (yes, all 8 of you) if this draft is to progre= ss. Thanks! Alvaro. On 3/14/14 12:38 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > wrote: Hi! In parallel to the WGLC for this draft, I want to formally ask the authors = (and contributors) to please respond to this message indicating whether or = not you are aware of any relevant IPR beyond what has already been disclose= d. The draft will not progress (pending the results of the WGLC) until we = have received a response from each author/contributor. http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id=3Ddraft= -ietf-rtgwg-mofrr Thanks! Alvaro. --_000_CFC0B7045ACAFaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <682D297727E04E4F8ED56A38F0B37916@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Authors/Contributors:

Hi!

We haven't made further progress since my last e-mail in collecting IP= R statements..

We're still missing a response from Apoorva, Clarence, Dino, Uwe and N= icolai.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 4/30/14 4:42 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors/Contributors:

We've made some progress and now we have received replies from the fol= lowing people:  Ice, Bruno, Wim and Jeff (as a contributor).

Again, we do need to hear from everyone before proceeding..

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 4/11/14 9:35 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors/Contributors:

So far I have only heard back from Jeff Tantsura (as a contributor), w= ho pointed at an additional piece of IPR:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2332/

We must hear from all of you (yes, all 8 of you) if this draft is to p= rogress.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 3/14/14 12:38 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi!

In parallel to the WGLC for this draft, I want to formally ask th= e authors (and contributors) to please respond to this message indicating w= hether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR beyond what has already bee= n disclosed.  The draft will not progress (pending the results of the WGLC) until we have received a response from e= ach author/contributor.


Thanks!

Alvaro.

 --_000_CFC0B7045ACAFaretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jun 16 00:52:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664061B2B78 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 00:52:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.152 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gP8WIH4Xqfdq for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 00:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 747101B282F for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 00:52:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2263; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1402905127; x=1404114727; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/eXu3gYpyPHkeVKoIO8NrWE2kxaHRQyqLc8wDYHidjs=; b=jIZB+BTXR7MLnKHCeHkP4+YEms2FL0Jh2sY89C163xg6OjUAePg2C8i3 hlXDBWgQseATSu1ey1lxAulpt5EKJ0qMls0NwH7ayxFGg2NlfqvWpv5EG 1dEd1H9Akb6T2onLqJ9zhyRnniIf5LIZxUEOTz0BOh3vvwz7kk4gAyZti Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,484,1400025600"; d="scan'208";a="87331329" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2014 07:52:05 +0000 Received: from [10.60.210.100] (ams-cfilsfil-8813.cisco.com [10.60.210.100]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5G7q5n5028268; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:52:05 GMT Message-ID: <539EA225.8030004@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:52:05 +0200 From: Clarence Filsfils User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dino Farinacci Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/n6Fkp4SorSQcArzKMAChU4LdVFc Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:52:09 -0000 Cisco has IPR on MoFRR and I am one of the inventors. Clarence On 14.06.14 02:16, Dino Farinacci wrote: > Cisco has IPR on MoFRR and I am one of the inventors. > > Dino > > On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > > wrote: > >> Authors/Contributors: >> >> Hi! >> >> We haven't made further progress since my last e-mail in collecting >> IPR statements.. >> >> We're still missing a response from Apoorva, Clarence, Dino, Uwe and >> Nicolai. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Alvaro. >> >> On 4/30/14 4:42 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > > wrote: >> >> Authors/Contributors: >> >> We've made some progress and now we have received replies from the >> following people: Ice, Bruno, Wim and Jeff (as a contributor). >> >> Again, we do need to hear from everyone before proceeding.. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Alvaro. >> >> On 4/11/14 9:35 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > > wrote: >> >> Authors/Contributors: >> >> So far I have only heard back from Jeff Tantsura (as a >> contributor), who pointed at an additional piece of IPR: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2332/ >> >> We must hear from all of you (yes, all 8 of you) if this draft >> is to progress. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Alvaro. >> >> On 3/14/14 12:38 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" >> > wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> In parallel to the WGLC for this draft, I want to formally >> ask the authors (and contributors) to please respond to >> this message indicating whether or not you are aware of >> any relevant IPR beyond what has already been disclosed. >> The draft will not progress (pending the results of the >> WGLC) until we have received a response from each >> author/contributor. >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&id=draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr >> >> Thanks! >> >> Alvaro. >> From nobody Mon Jun 16 10:35:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AB21A00DA for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:35:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vz-hxA8XKsq6 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E72F51A011B for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=16959; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1402940100; x=1404149700; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=dzRyFT5f7jsLRcB20Dns7/BakIAR88Pq1NCwA4bgPhQ=; b=f7H7Ny29/27NWbE6q9Vw3mrq6hnr66AjOMqOjAiM/jfODlwOxwm/8GIR FOVKazb1BAVdc5BSzc60oeyuaJiqj3ltzAQAY0jE065ckyaf0BmgAy8cy FPovvyLCUsg1iZNDl2Rw7cpymUoWUeIlZBcJKpSP73XHR5SxaDNQfGZ5h A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvEFAHASn1OtJV2a/2dsb2JhbABagkZHUlqpbwEBAQEBAQUBkWcBhzwBgREWdYQDAQEBBAEBARpRCxACAQgRBAEBKAcnCxQJCAIEAQ0FiEINzyITBIVjiDERAUwEBgEGhD0EmkOTWINAgXc5 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,487,1400025600"; d="scan'208,217";a="333477727" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2014 17:34:59 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com [173.36.12.82]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5GHYxed014624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:34:59 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.198]) by xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com ([173.36.12.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:34:58 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: Pierre Francois , "bruno.decraene@orange.com" Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay Thread-Topic: IPR Claims related to draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay Thread-Index: AQHPP0X9V3A0Fgoy10aYf53lUa6ja5sMqa6A///3dhCAMRt0AIA26DKA Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:34:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8333_1397225463_5347F7F7_8333_3783_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A07130DAF@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <65BBF285-0F59-41B0-9C1A-5EF4C67C4981@imdea.org> In-Reply-To: <65BBF285-0F59-41B0-9C1A-5EF4C67C4981@imdea.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CFC4A2D35B25Daretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/9_yYgPT7tBleGJJP4Udwrm8gr8o Cc: "draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:35:02 -0000 --_000_CFC4A2D35B25Daretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks! We're now just missing confirmation from Clarence. Thanks! Alvaro. On 5/12/14 12:05 PM, "Pierre Francois" > wrote: Hello Alvaro, I am not sure I replied to this one :-S Just to be sure: I am not aware of any other IPR claims than the ones alrea= dy mentioned. Regards, Pierre. On Apr 11, 2014, at 4:11 PM, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote: Hi Alvaro, I am not aware of any other IPR claims than the one already mentioned. Best regards, Bruno From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of Alvaro Retana (aretana) Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 3:41 PM To: draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay@tools.ietf.org Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay Authors: So far I have only heard back from one of you (Stephane). We must hear fro= m all of you (yes, all 4 of you) if this draft is to progress. Thanks! Alvaro. On 3/14/14 1:26 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > wrote: Hi! In parallel to the WG Adoption Call for this draft, I want to formally ask = the authors (no additional contributors are listed in the latest version) t= o please respond to this message indicating whether or not you are aware of= any relevant IPR. The draft will not progress (pending the results of the= WG Adoption Call) until we have received a response from each author. Thanks! Alvaro. ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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Thanks!

We're now just missing confirmation from Clarence.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 5/12/14 12:05 PM, "Pierre Francois" <pierre.francois@imdea.org> wrote:


Hello Alvaro, 

I am not sure I replied to this one :-S

Just to be sure: I am not aware of any other IPR claims than the ones = already mentioned. 

Regards, 

Pierre.

On Apr 11, 2014, at 4:11 PM, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote:

Hi Alvaro,
 
I am not aware of any other IPR claims than the one already menti= oned.
 = ;
Best = regards,
Bruno=
 = ;
From: rtgw= g [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.or= g] On Behalf Of&nbs= p;Alvaro Retana (aretana)
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 3:41 PM
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Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-litkowski= -rtgwg-uloop-delay
 
Authors:
 
So far I have only heard back from one of you = (Stephane).  We must hear from all of you (yes, all 4 of you) if this = draft is to progress.
 
Thanks!
 
Alvaro.
 
 
On 3/14/14 1:26 AM, "Alvaro Retana (areta= na)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
 
Hi!
 
In parallel to the WG Adoption Call for this d= raft, I want to formally ask the authors (no additional contributors a= re listed in the latest version) to please respond to this message indicating whether or not you are aware of any rel= evant IPR.  The draft will not progress (pending the results of the WG= Adoption Call) until we have received a response from each author.
 
Thanks!
 
Alvaro.
 
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 --_000_CFC4A2D35B25Daretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jun 16 10:59:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799411A0126 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.152 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v_BSGQr7qAgh for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE3DC1A0113 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=588; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1402941535; x=1404151135; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=k1ccxiJRkteQhxmOIq32LzZL00atGDx8WdTFoErLZ3U=; b=KSvKbQRB6UrjhWDVotNuCKpmYyTfYr8SXWfIskrSrhe9dBNQS76Xmlm1 3CjNFiwZpnqY1LoOO0CxzQufJfvukPxVPHmba1foZJ4JpeyHMLSgX5prZ trr969A6e0lUjcJdEsHmkkwopAQYG7Ey1ERqNskWASQpUbFXwT/6rNOIe w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtAFAHASn1OtJA2K/2dsb2JhbABagw1SWqlvAQEBAQEBBQGZJAGBERZ1hAMBAQEEOj8QAgEIGB4QMiUCBAENBYhCDc8iEwSFY4hgMweEQwEDmkOTWINAgjA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,487,1400025600"; d="scan'208";a="53428067" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2014 17:58:55 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com [173.37.183.85]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5GHws92001040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:58:54 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.198]) by xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com ([173.37.183.85]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:58:54 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , Dino Farinacci Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr Thread-Topic: IPR Claims related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr Thread-Index: AQHPPz9L2w2bbTUN3EO+tBGO/aSUWptwoSyAgAOj4oCAAGZ5gA== Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:58:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <539EA225.8030004@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <539EA225.8030004@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/81e1fZCPptb1LMJSlnkirSIY9fs Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:58:57 -0000 On 6/16/14 3:52 AM, "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" wrote: Clarence/Dino: So far cisco hasn't disclosed any MoFRR-related IPR. Can you please confirm and get the lawyers to do the disclosure (if needed)? This is what has been disclosed so far: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id=3Ddraf= t-ie tf-rtgwg-mofrr Thanks! Alvaro. >Cisco has IPR on MoFRR and I am one of the inventors. > >Clarence > >On 14.06.14 02:16, Dino Farinacci wrote: >>Cisco has IPR on MoFRR and I am one of the inventors. >> >>Dino From nobody Mon Jun 16 11:35:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00AA1B2AA8 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qlcCyjtRMxF for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22e.google.com (mail-pa0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC6E91B2AA2 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id eu11so2612074pac.5 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=6ETxFYbjJ4lE8w0JRYSyM3zqNeLrqJFOhvBKeH4K4Zw=; b=KERZGTMY/SYNfnDHHUBYobf5pHyYGsGlIYWbUCkVXzAK7N2CRkqvD1WYr2vYzmqrSJ XwkI2pCEWNEdp7GBMjP76j5ebzS38mApaN84NOfnoMb0g1ZJt7/rEpiwytwrxyuJo+XS MUSD6zOLwrvZ59ZA9T5+8ja7rP9udMO93oTwIWUC+hIZREDBu7tYcOWnfizBpGrqpCjb K9JkgfTc/u3WfqQzhiSFTdt9tppNRiL3kyZNC274d9gXBYjvYqzXJhT9JR3IjFOiHXNz p6873jY5okxt7iNMY7kH8KPevNGUJvFbyLKcupo5pvMmFTNh20v/Y+vgWlbvAmNPomVA SNpA== X-Received: by 10.66.182.69 with SMTP id ec5mr6906088pac.125.1402705007342; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (173-8-188-29-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [173.8.188.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ln2sm28369604pab.35.2014.06.13.17.16.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E4AE71FA-6F1C-460E-BF7B-3D62BF13BCD4 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr From: Dino Farinacci X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D167) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:16:45 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/NOnMjgBf_PZa0A2EM7SibeqIM0E X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:35:21 -0700 Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:16:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail-E4AE71FA-6F1C-460E-BF7B-3D62BF13BCD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cisco has IPR on MoFRR and I am one of the inventors.=20 Dino > On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" = wrote: >=20 > Authors/Contributors: >=20 > Hi! >=20 > We haven't made further progress since my last e-mail in collecting IPR st= atements.. >=20 > We're still missing a response from Apoorva, Clarence, Dino, Uwe and Nicol= ai. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > On 4/30/14 4:42 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" wrote: >=20 > Authors/Contributors: >=20 > We've made some progress and now we have received replies from the followi= ng people: Ice, Bruno, Wim and Jeff (as a contributor). >=20 > Again, we do need to hear from everyone before proceeding.. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > On 4/11/14 9:35 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" wrote: >=20 > Authors/Contributors: >=20 > So far I have only heard back from Jeff Tantsura (as a contributor), who p= ointed at an additional piece of IPR: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2332= / >=20 > We must hear from all of you (yes, all 8 of you) if this draft is to progr= ess. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > On 3/14/14 12:38 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 > In parallel to the WGLC for this draft, I want to formally ask the authors= (and contributors) to please respond to this message indicating whether or n= ot you are aware of any relevant IPR beyond what has already been disclosed.= The draft will not progress (pending the results of the WGLC) until we hav= e received a response from each author/contributor. >=20 > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id=3Ddraf= t-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 --Apple-Mail-E4AE71FA-6F1C-460E-BF7B-3D62BF13BCD4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Cisco has IPR on MoFRR and I am one of the inventors. 

Dino

On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors/Contributors:

Hi!

We haven't made further progress since my last e-mail in collecting IPR statements..

We're still missing a response from Apoorva, Clarence, Dino, Uwe and Nicolai.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 4/30/14 4:42 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors/Contributors:

We've made some progress and now we have received replies from the following people:  Ice, Bruno, Wim and Jeff (as a contributor).

Again, we do need to hear from everyone before proceeding..

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 4/11/14 9:35 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors/Contributors:

So far I have only heard back from Jeff Tantsura (as a contributor), who pointed at an additional piece of IPR:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2332/

We must hear from all of you (yes, all 8 of you) if this draft is to progress.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On 3/14/14 12:38 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi!

In parallel to the WGLC for this draft, I want to formally ask the authors (and contributors) to please respond to this message indicating whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR beyond what has already been disclosed.  The draft will not progress (pending the results of the WGLC) until we have received a response from each author/contributor.


Thanks!

Alvaro.
--Apple-Mail-E4AE71FA-6F1C-460E-BF7B-3D62BF13BCD4-- From nobody Tue Jun 17 05:21:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FDE1A0371 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, J_CHICKENPOX_26=0.6, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H1TPtQnoudCF for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C410D1A0358 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:21:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3525; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1403007702; x=1404217302; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=myRAvsUG8VgGKztVTmWMcUuJTL7HqdfzzwXLQY5OFqc=; b=m4sSm4pLtvHFWjLVx7UJYtS3Y32ns8WNrhEPx171yq/A+asL3R4q3EWf xt1dRBpMFY+srKK8W6BGUTbimH6OvXxjAztWqnfWePNXJ30afnYeVzZ7n lMqjE2u27fbNnrEnBvqilHzSa9ssYGlpzQ5g/A3V4eY61BH3yoLjWGvHG g=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,493,1400025600"; d="scan'208";a="84501658" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Jun 2014 12:21:40 +0000 Received: from [10.149.12.29] (dhcp-10-149-12-29.cisco.com [10.149.12.29]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5HCLeUd002296; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:21:40 GMT Message-ID: <53A032D4.8000704@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:21:40 +0200 From: Clarence Filsfils User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay References: <8333_1397225463_5347F7F7_8333_3783_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A07130DAF@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <65BBF285-0F59-41B0-9C1A-5EF4C67C4981@imdea.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/YRYKgPibQpFkG_aKZXJrZXqWDYM Cc: "draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:21:47 -0000 Alvaro, As explicitly stated in the text, this approach is closely related to RFC6976 on which Cisco has already declared IPR. If you require a specific disclosure on this draft we will initiate this. We await your instructions. Cheers, Clarence On 16.06.14 19:34, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > Thanks! > > We're now just missing confirmation from Clarence. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > On 5/12/14 12:05 PM, "Pierre Francois" > wrote: > > > Hello Alvaro, > > I am not sure I replied to this one :-S > > Just to be sure: I am not aware of any other IPR claims than the > ones already mentioned. > > Regards, > > Pierre. > > On Apr 11, 2014, at 4:11 PM, bruno.decraene@orange.com > wrote: > >> Hi Alvaro, >> I am not aware of any other IPR claims than the one already mentioned. >> Best regards, >> Bruno >> *From:*rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org >> ]*On Behalf Of*Alvaro Retana (aretana) >> *Sent:*Friday, April 11, 2014 3:41 PM >> *To:*draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay@tools.ietf.org >> >> *Cc:*rtgwg@ietf.org >> *Subject:*Re: IPR Claims related to draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay >> Authors: >> So far I have only heard back from one of you (Stephane). We must >> hear from all of you (yes, all 4 of you) if this draft is to progress. >> Thanks! >> Alvaro. >> On 3/14/14 1:26 AM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > > wrote: >> >> Hi! >> In parallel to the WG Adoption Call for this draft, I want to >> formally ask the authors (no additional contributors are >> listed in the latest version) to please respond to this >> message indicating whether or not you are aware of any >> relevant IPR. The draft will not progress (pending the >> results of the WG Adoption Call) until we have received a >> response from each author. >> Thanks! >> Alvaro. >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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<20140620075046.6774.27066.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:43:49 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-fan-sunset4-router-id-00.txt From: "Fan, Peng" To: rtgwg@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/PAzHNV6CBS0ARrLwKAwwjG68D80 X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 08:43:52 -0000 Hi all, The following draft is about problems of managing router IDs in an IPv6 only network as well as some solution ideas. There was a good discussion of this in IDR in last meeting, and this draft is an effort based on the feedback collected. It is posted to sunset4, and I feel it may also be interesting in rtgwg as the IDs are commonly used in routing protocols. Your review and comments are appreciated. Best regards, Peng ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 00:50:46 -0700 Subject: New Version Notification for draft-fan-sunset4-router-id-00.txt To: Peng Fan A new version of I-D, draft-fan-sunset4-router-id-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Peng Fan and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-fan-sunset4-router-id Revision: 00 Title: Managing Router Identifiers during IPv4 Sunset Document date: 2014-06-20 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 3 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-fan-sunset4-router-id-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fan-sunset4-router-id/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fan-sunset4-router-id-00 Abstract: This document describes problems of managing protocol identifiers when turning off IPv4 and migrating to IPv6 only network, with some potential solutions discussed. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Fri Jun 20 10:06:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCE11B286A; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:06:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jaWyfTDy4jrs; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DCF1B2853; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:06:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: apoorva@cisco.com, cfilsfil@cisco.com, ice@cisco.com, uwe.joorde@telekom.de, wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com, bruno.decraene@orange.com, farinacci@gmail.com Subject: IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr-04 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.5.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140620170609.6413.78350.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:06:09 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/PPG4rdveNnc54ErbWAHq1C9D_8o Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk, ipr-announce@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:06:11 -0000 Dear Apoorva Karan, Clarence Filsfils, IJsbrand Wijnands, Uwe Joorde, Wim Henderickx, Bruno Decraene, Dino Farinacci: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Multicast only Fast Re-Route" (draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2014-06-19 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2378/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-rtgwg- mofrr-04.""); The IETF Secretariat From nobody Sat Jun 21 03:45:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B77D1B2A1E for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 03:45:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -13.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lOtPfJU5Y8sL for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 03:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bgl-iport-2.cisco.com (bgl-iport-2.cisco.com [72.163.197.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 205DC1B2A22 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 03:45:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=377; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1403347507; x=1404557107; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zxSeKj2FfxY8A647Oyn3AZhriSrT1KfLAeL493M8/uA=; b=VmGdZ4TAPvGOoJ5pfR+p615N/pqxIaLlQvAKqk1hehdsdHBNtS2zWYIo tTvgcFmUrUpJ6/AEB7Bw8d6iNcV4LGBSaDzBYfizv03DGXn43CSp4Da1t dyp3WRHCANbsTokn8PERiKkrwFsEcPO1dKYCuy1puM4oIkB5TztdOFf32 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,520,1400025600"; d="scan'208";a="42014474" Received: from vla196-nat.cisco.com (HELO bgl-core-3.cisco.com) ([72.163.197.24]) by bgl-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jun 2014 10:45:05 +0000 Received: from [10.60.210.100] (ams-cfilsfil-8813.cisco.com [10.60.210.100]) by bgl-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5LAj3em019505; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 10:45:04 GMT Message-ID: <53A5622E.5000908@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 12:45:02 +0200 From: Clarence Filsfils User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Subject: Re: IPR Claims related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr References: <539EA225.8030004@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/PAGnFLR_U_-Pu2XmLQXuhF3przo Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mofrr@tools.ietf.org" , Dino Farinacci , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 10:45:21 -0000 Alvaro, On 16.06.14 19:58, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > On 6/16/14 3:52 AM, "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" > wrote: > > Clarence/Dino: > > So far cisco hasn't disclosed any MoFRR-related IPR. Can you please > confirm and get the lawyers to do the disclosure (if needed)? The disclosure has been processed yesterday. Cheers, Clarence From nobody Tue Jun 24 01:28:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39AB1B299A; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 01:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8t_gK5XQ7Ic; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 01:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3861A01B8; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 01:28:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.5.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140624082840.3753.98261.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 01:28:40 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/hXGtBGjoMRoVPX52elT60i-ZxS8 Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 08:28:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Remote-LFA Node Protection and Manageability Authors : Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Shraddha Hegde Chris Bowers Stephane Litkowski Harish Raghuveer Filename : draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2014-06-24 Abstract: The loop-free alternates computed following the current Remote-LFA [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa] specification gaurantees only link- protection. The resulting Remote-LFA nexthops (also called PQ- nodes), may not gaurantee node-protection for all destinations being protected by it. This document describes procedures for determining if a given PQ-node provides node-protection for a specific destination or not. The document also shows how the same procedure can be utilised for collection of complete characteristics for alternate paths. Knowledge about the characteristics of all alternate path is precursory to apply operator defined policy for eliminating paths not fitting constraints. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <97BAB27B0A0E504A8C8FACBAF519BC78@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/BceHFceh0fQFrCqyM3stI9YkxEU Cc: "draft-litkowski-rtgwg-uloop-delay@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:25:36 -0000 On 6/17/14 8:21 AM, "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" wrote: Clarence: Hi! >As explicitly stated in the text, this approach is closely related >to RFC6976 on which Cisco has already declared IPR. If you require >a specific disclosure on this draft we will initiate this. >We await your instructions. The text is not really clear about the relationship being that close. In fact, it mentions rfc6976 in the "other solutions" section, which may make not be apparent to the casual reader that there is IPR on this draft. So..if you believe the IPR from rfc6976 also applies to this draft, then yes, please disclose it specifically. Thanks! Alvaro. From nobody Tue Jun 24 11:23:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4698C1A03E0 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.152 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MQIzT73yX9h7 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5938D1B2AE3 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=410; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1403634163; x=1404843763; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=xFm/Vrk/u1kYvKQ+W8vdnQvM8qpFP7xjj3fLjqfVcf0=; b=II5jEdT87L/6Vw99cSJ03sEx+vLUEZ2As8yf/4hprc1s7tXnis8p8fdt FHW5IJ7gCh34MNK4P/09jqaaUApjnjXZdkUadl4uUDbeO2lQQDwyLJMse BxBdSTTMzEKbuaPq/FOY5SLPb7LVrUGh08IlwF+rbT0o7Nj7WxyY8gIGJ w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am0FAKTAqVOtJA2D/2dsb2JhbABZgw2BLKpABQGZOgGBChZ1hAQBAQQdHT0SAgEIDigQMiUCBAESiELLHxeFY4kghEMBBJpRk2uCAIFCgjA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,539,1400025600"; d="scan'208";a="55607566" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2014 18:22:42 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com [173.36.12.87]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5OIMgP1006636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:22:42 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.198]) by xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com ([173.36.12.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:22:42 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: Pushpasis Sarkar , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05.txt Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05.txt Thread-Index: AQHPj4ZRGrvLb3srckattm85Q624TJt/7rWQgAC1kYA= Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:22:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140624082840.3753.40879.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8c744efff6c148149db4cd76dcfe115b@BN1PR05MB520.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <8c744efff6c148149db4cd76dcfe115b@BN1PR05MB520.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3CF36D2C4F6D4644A7C8FEE5FB766D5E@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/taUZmUV9jSCT6KRhwKoMGUsHkEI X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:23:48 -0000 On 6/24/14 4:37 AM, "Pushpasis Sarkar" wrote: Pushpasis: Hi! >Also we would like to re-call for WG adoption for this draft and take it >forward as a WG document No need to re-call for adoption. Based on the threads on the list, it is clear that there is interest in taking on this work. Please republish as draft-ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection Thanks! Alvaro. From nobody Tue Jun 24 12:18:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13E81B2C24 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:17:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTh0qNd0fqin for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0144.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BAE91A050E for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BN1PR05MB520.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.65.151) by BN1PR05MB517.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.65.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.954.9; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:17:48 +0000 Received: from BN1PR05MB520.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.14.130]) by BN1PR05MB520.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.14.130]) with mapi id 15.00.0954.000; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:17:48 +0000 From: Pushpasis Sarkar To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05.txt Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-05.txt Thread-Index: AQHPj4ZRGrvLb3srckattm85Q624TJt/7rWQgAC1kYD///5wgA== Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140624082840.3753.40879.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8c744efff6c148149db4cd76dcfe115b@BN1PR05MB520.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [116.197.184.15] x-microsoft-antispam: BL:0; ACTION:Default; RISK:Low; SCL:0; SPMLVL:NotSpam; PCL:0; RULEID: x-forefront-prvs: 02524402D6 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(13464003)(199002)(189002)(479174003)(41574002)(377454003)(24454002)(19580395003)(101416001)(105586002)(31966008)(77982001)(76482001)(4396001)(81342001)(85852003)(76176999)(74316001)(83072002)(33646001)(66066001)(46102001)(19580405001)(92566001)(83322001)(99286002)(77096002)(99396002)(95666004)(74662001)(106116001)(80022001)(81542001)(76576001)(85306003)(2656002)(79102001)(86362001)(21056001)(74502001)(87936001)(50986999)(54356999)(20776003)(64706001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR05MB517; H:BN1PR05MB520.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/TxnNzsCNhrdsJ6tEPdJXWnoCyP0 X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:17:58 -0000 Thanks Alvaro. Will upload it asap. Regards, -Pushpasis -----Original Message----- From: Alvaro Retana (aretana) [mailto:aretana@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:53 PM To: Pushpasis Sarkar; rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-psarkar-rtgwg-rlfa-node-pro= tection-05.txt On 6/24/14 4:37 AM, "Pushpasis Sarkar" wrote: Pushpasis: Hi! >Also we would like to re-call for WG adoption for this draft and take=20 >it forward as a WG document No need to re-call for adoption. Based on the threads on the list, it is c= lear that there is interest in taking on this work. Please republish as draft-ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection Thanks! Alvaro. From nobody Tue Jun 24 12:30:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7291B2E89; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PCX-rX_RsrO5; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547581A036B; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-00.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.5.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140624193033.30166.58987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:30:33 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/hdx4NYuCRdGuiLWKO9VwNaUc5wo Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:30:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Remote-LFA Node Protection and Manageability Authors : Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Shraddha Hegde Chris Bowers Stephane Litkowski Harish Raghuveer Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2014-06-24 Abstract: The loop-free alternates computed following the current Remote-LFA [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa] specification gaurantees only link- protection. The resulting Remote-LFA nexthops (also called PQ- nodes), may not gaurantee node-protection for all destinations being protected by it. This document describes procedures for determining if a given PQ-node provides node-protection for a specific destination or not. The document also shows how the same procedure can be utilised for collection of complete characteristics for alternate paths. Knowledge about the characteristics of all alternate path is precursory to apply operator defined policy for eliminating paths not fitting constraints. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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boundary="_000_CFD350CF5C8E8aretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/Rz10PUt3FwQCzYTRP_ATmGWpwI8 X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 20:48:21 -0000 --_000_CFD350CF5C8E8aretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! We have a 90-minute slot in Toronto on Wednesday afternoon: WEDNESDAY, July 23, 2014 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Ballroom RTG rtgwg Routing Area Working Group WG Send any requests for time to Jeff and I. We will prioritize the items alr= eady listed in the charter as milestones. Other items may be considered if = we have time. Please note that we will be requiring two conditions to be part of the fina= l agenda: (1) your draft MUST have been published already, and (2) you MUST= provide the chairs with your slides by EOD on Monday, July 21, 2014. We w= ill also appreciate starting a discussion on the list so everyone is aware = of your draft and/or any updates. Keep the following dates in mind: * 2014-07-04 (Friday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all draft= s, including -00) by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. * 2014-07-07 (Monday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, up= load using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. * 2014-07-14 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, = upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. Thanks! Alvaro. --_000_CFD350CF5C8E8aretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

We have a 90-minute slot in Toronto on Wednesday afternoon:
WEDNESDAY, July 23, 2014
1520-1650  Afternoon Session II
Ballroom        RTG 	rtgwg       Routing Area Working Group WG
Send any requests for time to Jeff and I.  We will prioritize the= items already listed in the charter as milestones. Other items may be cons= idered if we have time.

Please note that we will be requiring two conditions to be part of the= final agenda: (1) your draft MUST have been published already, and (2) you= MUST provide the chairs with your slides by EOD on Monday, July 21, 2014. =  We will also appreciate starting a discussion on the list so everyone is aware of your draft and/or any upd= ates.

Keep the following dates in mind:
Thanks!

Alvaro.
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