From nobody Mon Feb 1 12:07:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2081B35C5; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:07:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: Subject: rtgwg - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160201200730.1954.70994.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:07:30 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 20:07:31 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Chris Bowers, a Chair of the rtgwg working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Routing Area Working Group Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Chris Bowers Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 120 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: isis mpls ospf pce idr spring lime Second Priority: bess l3sm bier teas ccamp i2rs Third Priority: bfd detnet nvo3 pim netmod Special Requests: At least one of the RTGWG sessions should not conflict with LIME. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Feb 1 18:48:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9641A6EF4; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:48:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Subject: IPR Disclosure Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160202024845.7280.83096.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:48:45 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 02:48:45 -0000 Dear Martin Horneffer, Stephane Litkowski, Bruno Decraene, Clarence Filsfils, Kamran Raza, Pushpasis Sarkar: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Operational management of Loop Free Alternates" (draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2746/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Tue Feb 2 12:40:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39241B30DD; Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-01.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160202204003.12785.12340.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 12:40:03 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:40:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP) Authors : Xufeng Liu Prateek Sarda Vikram Choudhary Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-01.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2016-02-02 Abstract: This document describes a data model for the Routing Information Protocol (RIP). Both RIP version 2 and RIPng are covered. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Feb 3 07:04:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C6A1ACDD9; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:04:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Brian Haberman" To: "The IESG" Subject: Brian Haberman's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-09: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160203150407.22266.39194.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 07:04:07 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:04:07 -0000 Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The IANA Considerations section creates a new registry for the MRT Profiles. It allocates "Values 221-255 are for vendor private use." Are there limitations/guidance on how vendors use this range? Should Section 8,14 or 17 say something about dealing with these ranges in operational networks? From nobody Thu Feb 4 02:36:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352711A6F7D; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 02:36:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" Subject: Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-09: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160204103626.3950.54399.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:36:26 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz, draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 10:36:26 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- We're lucky to have two OPS DIR reviews for this document. >From Fred Baker: In my view, although I have concerns as I am about to state, I consider the draft to be ready for IESG review and potential publication as an RFC at Proposed Standard. I have no specific issues I would like to see addressed, nor do I believe the technology or draft to be fundamentally flawed. Speaking in general terms, this draft describes a solution for the problem posed in RFC 5714, which is to say a solution for fast reroute in a network whose routing is implemented using IS-IS and LDP. It is not the only possible solution. In terms of graph theory, we might define a "connected graph" as a set of "nodes" and a set of "links" that interconnect them, such that every node is connected via some sequence of links and nodes to each of the other nodes in the connected graph. The Maximally Redundant Tree model seeks to divide the connected graph into two or more connected sub-graphs, each of which connects the same set of nodes, but using sets of interconnecting links whose intersection set is null, or is at least minimized. In the event that a link in one connected sub-graph fails, the network can continue to use another connected sub-graph to guide routing during the outage. There are obvious degenerate cases, in which the sets of links in sub-graphs are forced to overlap to some degree, or some nodes are not found in all sub-graphs. Part of the architecture is designed to identify those cases (which might occur, for example, in the presence of multiple simultaneous failures, or when the network is inherently deficient for reasons unrelated to and perhaps in violation of the mathematics) and handle them as best it can. As one might imagine, this is not trivial. My first comment on reading the architecture (and on reading the algorithm, which is a separate document) is that the algorithm is complex, and therefore (like anything that is complex) prone to errors and failures of various kinds, and potentially has failure modes that have not yet been detected. This is not to be considered as a strike against it, but a point of caution; the operator using the approach wants to ensure that s/he has the tools necessary to monitor network health, and to quickly discover and correct errors if and when they occur. The algorithm draft contains several proofs of correctness for various parts or in various cases, and refers to papers containing such proofs, with the intent of minimizing the inherent risk. That said, to my knowledge there is not a global proof of correctness, as there is for example in the Shortest Path First algorithm or other algorithms used in the network. The risk is therefore not zero. >From the perspective of the IETF, that is precisely the reason a protocol like this should be used operationally at the Proposed Standard level, updated as needed, and ultimately re-released as an Internet Standard when the algorithm and implementations have been operationally proven. With that introduction, the first question in my mind is whether the description is such that two implementors are likely to be able to implement interoperable implementations, or whether ambiguities or lack of clarity would prevent that. This draft identifies two proprietary prototype implementations, by Huawei and Juniper, which if they are interoperable would address the question to a considerable degree. The draft does not, however, describe interoperability testing between them, which at least suggests that this might be yet future. On this score, given the complexity of the design, I personally would be greatly comforted by a test report along the lines of RFC 1246. Since such tests usually find text that needs tweaking, I might suggest that the publication at RFC be delayed until such testing can be performed and the lessons learned, whatever they are, incorporated in the documents. Failing that, experience leads me to believe that there will be subsequent documents that update or obsolete these. The corollary question in my mind is whether an operator reading the architecture will be able to figure out how to effectively use it. On this score, I give the draft a thumbs-up. It is well written, the various issues are raised and dealt with, and the ramifications are in my view clear. Now the review from Nevil Brownlee: This is a long draft, presenting the MRT-FRR architecture, and exploring in some detail the design alternatives that were possible during that process. There are many acronyms used throughout the draft, that will work well for routers familiar with Routing in general, and MPLS in particular. Others will find it useful to keep a browser window at hand! For me, PLR (Point of Local Repair) was new. In section 11.1, the equations that test whether a path is loop-free for nodes S and F use D_opt() as an abbreviation for Distance_opt() [RFC 5286] - I understand the authors wish to get these equations onto single lines, but the phrase "where D_opt() means Distance_opt()" would be helpful. Throughout the draft the phrase "protocol extensions to .. will be defined elsewhere" appears, similarly the IANA Considerations section defines an MPLS Multi-Topology Identifiers Registry, but says that codepoints in it will be defined elsewhere. Clearly this draft is the first in what will become a cluster of RFCs. On the Operations side of things, section 1.2 notes that "MRT-FRR supports partial deployment." That will allow Operators to deploy it in stages (one MRT Island at a time?). Further, several sections consider the possibility of "link-protecting alternates causing route looping," it seems that MRT-FRR should remain loop-free. Section 13, Implementation Status [to be removed by the RFC Editor], demonstrates that at least two implementations exist, clearly that has helped the authors to work through the design decisions I commented on above. Section 14, Operational Considerations, works through the most important of the decisions an Operator will need to make if they plan to implement MRT-FRR - this seems very useful. Overall, the draft is well-written and easy to read (apart from its high acronym density), I believe it is ready for publication as an RFC. From nobody Thu Feb 4 03:43:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D151C1AD071; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 03:43:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Stephen Farrell" To: "The IESG" Subject: Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-09: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160204114337.9848.23027.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 03:43:37 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 11:43:38 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - abstract: "IP/LDP" is a bit ambiguous - it could be read as "IP over LDP," "IP and LDP" or "IP or LDP" not all of which make sense I guess:-) Be better if the abstract said "IP and LDP" I think. - section 3: the definitions are very dense - would re-ordering them help maybe? Not sure myself, but maybe think about it. - Section 8: with so many parameters, why choose an 8-bit profile ID? That seems to be a bit short-sighted maybe? - 12.2: The sequence presented here has the look of something that might be a potential DoS vector, but maybe the computation isn't that significant, not sure. Did you consider a potential attack where the bad actor takes down then re-instates one or more links so as to increase the computation to the max? (Perhaps you did and the max is still not a big deal.) - As noted by the secdir review [1] this is highly acronym laden. I'd encourage an editing pass to try reduce that where possible. I'll also bet a beer that not every acronym used is either expanded or else present in the list of "well known" acronyms (which is of course pretty outdated). [1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg06344.html From nobody Thu Feb 4 07:16:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D061B313D; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 07:16:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" Subject: Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-08: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160204151642.28357.6514.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 07:16:42 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:16:42 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fred Baker made some comments on this draft, part of his draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture OPS DIR. From nobody Fri Feb 5 17:06:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2801B31E2; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:06:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-10.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160206010648.30175.82707.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:06:48 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:06:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Architecture for IP/LDP Fast-Reroute Using Maximally Redundant Trees Authors : Alia Atlas Chris Bowers Gábor Sándor Enyedi Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-10.txt Pages : 46 Date : 2016-02-05 Abstract: This document defines the architecture for IP and LDP Fast-Reroute using Maximally Redundant Trees (MRT-FRR). MRT-FRR is a technology that gives link-protection and node-protection with 100% coverage in any network topology that is still connected after the failure. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nhtbmv8ob3Llf62QCnhj0GNqQXcU9fPTh" Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 18:43:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Nhtbmv8ob3Llf62QCnhj0GNqQXcU9fPTh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, This looks good. Thanks for considering my comment! Regards, Brian On 2/5/16 8:25 PM, Chris Bowers wrote: > Brian, >=20 > Thanks for the feedback. See inline[CB]. >=20 > This is incorporated in the latest version. > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-10 > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architectu= re-10 >=20 > Chris >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Haberman [mailto:brian@innovationslab.net]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 9:04 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture@ietf.org; aretana@cisco.com; = Janos Farkas ; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; janos.fa= rkas@ericsson.com; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: Brian Haberman's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-arch= itecture-09: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-09: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all e= mail addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this in= troductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.ht= ml > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture/= >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The IANA Considerations section creates a new registry for the MRT Prof= iles. It allocates "Values 221-255 are for vendor private use." Are there= limitations/guidance on how vendors use this range? Should Section > 8,14 or 17 say something about dealing with these ranges in operational= networks? >=20 > [CB]I have modified the IANA considerations section to use the exact te= rms defined in RFC 5226 "Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Se= ction in RFCs", and also to give IANA clearer guidance on the structure o= f table. I added a reference to RFC5226 as well.=20 >=20 > I think RFC5226 gives pretty good guidance about what to expect when us= ing these ranges, that additional text in Section 8,14, or 17 would not a= dd much. =20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > 16. IANA Considerations >=20 > IANA is requested to create a registry entitled "MRT Profile > Identifier Registry". The range is 0 to 255. The Default MRT > Profile defined in this document has value 0. Values 1-200 are > allocated by Standards Action. Values 201-220 are for Experimental > Use. Values 221-254 are for Private Use. Value 255 is reserved for= > future registry extension. (The allocation and use policies are > described in [RFC5226].) >=20 > The initial registry is shown below. >=20 > Value Description Reference > ------- ---------------------------------------- ------------ > 0 Default MRT Profile [This draft] > 1-200 Unassigned > 201-220 Experimental Use > 221-254 Private Use > 255 Reserved (for future registry extension) >=20 >=20 > The MRT Profile Identifier Registry is a new registry in the IANA > Matrix. Following existing conventions, http://www.iana.org/ > protocols should display a new header entitled "Maximally Redundant > Tree (MRT) Parameters". Under that header, there should be an entry= > for "MRT Profile Identifier Registry" with a link to the registry > itself at http://www.iana.org/assignments/mrt-parameters/mrt- > parameters.xhtml#mrt-profile-registry. >=20 --Nhtbmv8ob3Llf62QCnhj0GNqQXcU9fPTh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWt5BrAAoJEBOZRqCi7goqcK4H/j77Sn2MN57gEuWshE/BiPX0 6jiX0JD08DN71ejvTSb3MBN6SL6nRJcJL24kSAcZvm/AciDcfod5sl2jml76/hcF NFqKvQIrX2SIuQwdhfgPdprum28ZifkHl+BaKerfU38sasdr9V6PF4D71JMQgFAB NwII6XIZd8vn4OoikhsSv/gvSH706/scH6yyCHpWbbua/nB5qmYRHyZYKRlDgmAx TUuJ10qoFvoILnK59jVH9kR5YybR3gnTmlGfwP1dLOzD5uXcbp9XV7Owt+AsI5k4 3S03tpIMM6rBsZrSeKe6AwJ/Id8+dT/WDVCnez987M++4Ew6l0A2M5+C62+cXjA= =rI9X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nhtbmv8ob3Llf62QCnhj0GNqQXcU9fPTh-- From nobody Mon Feb 8 02:30:09 2016 Return-Path: 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Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160209082921.23934.57611.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 00:29:21 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:29:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP MIB for IP Fast-Reroute Authors : Alia Atlas A S Kiran Koushik Stephane Litkowski Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-08.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2016-02-09 Abstract: This draft defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes managed objects relevant for IP routes using IP Fast-Reroute [RFC5714] The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-ip-mib-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:07:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-01.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.14.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160212190719.27466.41994.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:07:19 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:07:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : Key Chain YANG Data Model Authors : Acee Lindem Yingzhen Qu Derek Yeung Ing-Wher Chen Jeffrey Zhang Yi Yang Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-01.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2016-02-12 Abstract: This document describes the key chain YANG data model. A key chain is a list of elements each containing a key, send lifetime, accept lifetime, and algorithm. By properly overlapping the send and accept lifetimes of multiple key chain elements, keys and algorithms may be gracefully updated. By representing them in a YANG data model, key distribution can be automated. Key chains are commonly used for routing protocol authentication and other applications. In some applications, the protocols do not use the key chain element key directly, but rather a key derivation function is used to derive a short-lived key from the key chain element key. 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Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160122131607.8074.21335.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:59:13 -0000 FYI - This has been out a little bit, but haven't seen any comments. We'd definitely like to hear from the WG on this. quoting the draft: This version is a major change from the prior version and this change was enabled by the work on the previously mentioned Structural Mount/YSDL. Note that an interim on Structural Mount/YSDL (which I think of generally as 'schema mount') has been scheduled by the netmod WG -- see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15257.html and http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15260.html Lou -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:16:07 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models Authors : Acee Lindem Lou Berger Dean Bogdanovic Christan Hopps Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2016-01-22 Abstract: This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG model, with all of the related component models logically organized in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch Instances (VSIs). This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Tue Feb 16 07:35:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FEF1B2AD3; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-09.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.14.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160216153553.27805.45020.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 07:35:53 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:35:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Algorithm for Computing Maximally Redundant Trees for IP/LDP Fast-Reroute Authors : Gábor Sándor Enyedi András Császár Alia Atlas Chris Bowers Abishek Gopalan Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-09.txt Pages : 116 Date : 2016-02-16 Abstract: A solution for IP and LDP Fast-Reroute using Maximally Redundant Trees is presented in draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture. This document defines the associated MRT Lowpoint algorithm that is used in the Default MRT profile to compute both the necessary Maximally Redundant Trees with their associated next-hops and the alternates to select for MRT-FRR. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Feb 16 09:35:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDD11B3247; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:35:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" Subject: Protocol Action: 'An Algorithm for Computing Maximally Redundant Trees for IP/LDP Fast-Reroute' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-09.txt) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.14.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160216173538.3765.79581.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:35:38 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm@ietf.org, The IESG , rtgwg@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:35:38 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'An Algorithm for Computing Maximally Redundant Trees for IP/LDP Fast- Reroute' (draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm-09.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm/ Technical Summary A solution for IP and LDP Fast-Reroute using Maximally Redundant Trees is presented in draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture. This document defines the associated MRT Lowpoint algorithm that is used in the Default MRT profile to compute both the necessary Maximally Redundant Trees with their associated next-hops and the alternates to select for MRT-FRR. Working Group Summary The WG thoroughly reviewed the document and no outstanding technical issues remain. Both WG Chairs and the AD assigned to this WG are involved in the work, so the Responsible AD (listed below), aided by the Document Shepherd, conducted the WGLC. Document Quality There are existing implementations and multiple vendors have shown significant interest in the topic. Furthermore, IEEE 802.1Qca relies on MRT, and in particular on the MRT Lowpoint Algorithm specified by this document, for providing redundancy based on maximally diverse trees. Personnel Document Shepherd: János Farkas Responsible Area Director: Alvaro Retana RFC Editor Note This document and draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture should be published together (consecutive RFC numbers would be nice, but not necessary). 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19:40:32 -0700 Subject: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt References: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Routing WG From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:40:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 02:40:39 -0000 Hello, This draft has been updated to use an emerging yang capability called 'schema-mount' [1] which translates to a significant simplification. To quote the draft: Schema Mount enables a dramatic simplification of the presented device model, particularly for "lower-end" devices which are unlikely to support multiple network instances or logical network elements. Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit tree structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to be utilized. As it looks like there will soon be a netmod WG draft on schema mount, we think it's time to ask the WG to consider adopting our draft as a RTG WG draft. [1] There was a netmod interim on schema mount on Monday, see http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/netmod-interim-20160222 Our slides from that meeting are available at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/02/22/netmod/slides/slides-interim-2016-netmod-1-1.pptx and it gives a brief overview of the current draft. Lou (and co-authors) -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:29:51 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models Authors : Acee Lindem Lou Berger Dean Bogdanovic Christan Hopps Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2016-02-23 Abstract: This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG model, with all of the related component models logically organized in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch Instances (VSIs). This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Wed Feb 24 02:10:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6151D1A00C0; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 02:10:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.905 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ODyu4mHt7bM; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 02:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 096F11A00CE; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 02:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (unknown [112.205.75.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 92B6618013E4; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:10:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt To: Lou Berger , Routing WG References: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <56CD819F.8070702@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:10:39 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:10:51 -0000 Lou, et.al., A somewhat interesting questions (at least before reading) is how it is with the alignment between this and what is in the OpenConfig documents? /Loa On 2016-02-24 10:40, Lou Berger wrote: > > Hello, > This draft has been updated to use an emerging yang capability > called 'schema-mount' [1] which translates to a significant > simplification. To quote the draft: > > Schema Mount enables a dramatic simplification of the presented > device model, particularly for "lower-end" devices which are unlikely > to support multiple network instances or logical network elements. > Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit tree > structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to > be utilized. > > As it looks like there will soon be a netmod WG draft on schema mount, > we think it's time to ask the WG to consider adopting our draft as a RTG > WG draft. > > [1] There was a netmod interim on schema mount on Monday, see > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/netmod-interim-20160222 > > Our slides from that meeting are available at > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/02/22/netmod/slides/slides-interim-2016-netmod-1-1.pptx > and it gives a brief overview of the current draft. > > Lou (and co-authors) > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:29:51 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models > Authors : Acee Lindem > Lou Berger > Dean Bogdanovic > Christan Hopps > Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2016-02-23 > > Abstract: > This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a > comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate > network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG > model, with all of the related component models logically organized > in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not > expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are > expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. > > This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the > logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a > network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical > resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of > of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are > Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch > Instances (VSIs). > > This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members > of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is > a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > From nobody Wed Feb 24 03:54:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2C11A911F for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 03:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.366 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.366 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yCP2xrJpKPYw for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 03:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 47DD91A9111 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 03:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25398 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2016 11:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2016 11:54:49 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id NBul1s0132SSUrH01BuoWy; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 04:54:49 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=FouWoQbq c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=qqXk6dxrMykA:10 a=jFJIQSaiL_oA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=k_dXkcaN4uIT83dRsm8A:9 a=DUhxm1C60J6pjpmr:21 a=cKISmx2mMyg7GFUF:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jO5m9I1TzjoA:10 a=jM_x9b4JT8QA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From; bh=2zZ3U/+jJBIJmJNcrTSIzJqqgqj6LJMPmB6mv/gmKsM=; b=fjE4OoJhyPGEtmgfE2FSOMu3gMCkHdNK10fJrhfTDd7OBUc725Ls4eU2fzB/94OdPT6uiw5O3uTHiB6eUhk+jyC+HLJl3UNDo1hLWiQ+t2LjW055iUTjNO5aQjRm+QpE; Received: from [100.15.91.238] (port=51322 helo=[11.4.0.238]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aYY1l-0004ku-Mr; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 04:54:45 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: Loa Andersson , Routing WG Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 06:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: <153132193e8.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <56CD819F.8070702@pi.nu> References: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> <56CD819F.8070702@pi.nu> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 AquaMail/1.6.0.10 (build: 24000016) Subject: Re: [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 100.15.91.238 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:54:55 -0000 Loa, See inline below. On February 24, 2016 5:30:55 AM Loa Andersson wrote: > Lou, et.al., > > A somewhat interesting questions (at least before reading) is how it is > with the alignment between this and what is in the OpenConfig documents? > In short : we're getting there: - Their models are compatible with LNEs as they are ignorant of them, which is of course part of the value/strength of our proposed approach. - WRT NIs, we have terminology and end structure alignment with draft-openconfig-rtgwg-network-instance and my hope is for the work to fully converge once Rob has time to spend on schema mount. Also would be good to hear from the open config folks directly - - Rob and Anees, do you want to add anything? Lou > /Loa > > On 2016-02-24 10:40, Lou Berger wrote: >> >> Hello, >> This draft has been updated to use an emerging yang capability >> called 'schema-mount' [1] which translates to a significant >> simplification. To quote the draft: >> >> Schema Mount enables a dramatic simplification of the presented >> device model, particularly for "lower-end" devices which are unlikely >> to support multiple network instances or logical network elements. >> Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit tree >> structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to >> be utilized. >> >> As it looks like there will soon be a netmod WG draft on schema mount, >> we think it's time to ask the WG to consider adopting our draft as a RTG >> WG draft. >> >> [1] There was a netmod interim on schema mount on Monday, see >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/netmod-interim-20160222 >> >> Our slides from that meeting are available at >> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/02/22/netmod/slides/slides-interim-2016-netmod-1-1.pptx >> and it gives a brief overview of the current draft. >> >> Lou (and co-authors) >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt >> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:29:51 -0800 >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> >> >> Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models >> Authors : Acee Lindem >> Lou Berger >> Dean Bogdanovic >> Christan Hopps >> Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt >> Pages : 36 >> Date : 2016-02-23 >> >> Abstract: >> This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a >> comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate >> network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG >> model, with all of the related component models logically organized >> in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not >> expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are >> expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. >> >> This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the >> logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a >> network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical >> resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of >> of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are >> Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch >> Instances (VSIs). >> >> This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members >> of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is >> a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtgwg mailing list >> rtgwg@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-dt-yang-arch mailing list > Rtg-dt-yang-arch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-dt-yang-arch > From nobody Wed Feb 24 07:12:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687451AD06C; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:12:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" Subject: Protocol Action: 'An Architecture for IP/LDP Fast-Reroute Using Maximally Redundant Trees' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-10.txt) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.14.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160224151239.4771.38307.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:12:39 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture@ietf.org, The IESG , rtgwg@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:12:39 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'An Architecture for IP/LDP Fast-Reroute Using Maximally Redundant Trees' (draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture-10.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-architecture/ Technical Summary This document defines the architecture for IP/LDP Fast-Reroute using Maximally Redundant Trees (MRT-FRR). MRT-FRR is a technology that gives link-protection and node-protection with 100% coverage in any network topology that is still connected after the failure. Working Group Summary The WG thoroughly reviewed the document and no outstanding technical issues remain. Both WG Chairs and the AD assigned to this WG are involved in the work, so the Responsible AD (listed below), aided by the Document Shepherd, conducted the WGLC. During this process there were some comments about publishing this document as Informational/Experimental, but there is rough consensus to proceed on the Standards Track. Document Quality There are existing implementations and multiple vendors have shown significant interest in the topic. Personnel Document Shepherd: János Farkas Responsible Area Director: Alvaro Retana RFC Editor Note This document and draft-ietf-rtgwg-mrt-frr-algorithm should be published together (consecutive RFC numbers would be nice, but not necessary). 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<22571_1456369342_56CE6EBE_22571_6778_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92168C9D1D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.2.25.22417 Archived-At: Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 03:02:25 -0000 Hi Lou, >From a high level perspective, schema mount looks really good in term of si= mplification. I went to the draft quickly (very quickly), and I may see an = issue. Let's take the example of LNE, LNE may not have the exact same configuratio= n statements as the physical host, as example some HW specific parameters t= hat can only be configured on the physical host. In this case, when you mou= nt the model into LNE, we need the ability to prune some subtree of the mou= nted tree. This pruning capacity does not seem to be taken into account yet. Thoughts ? Best Regards, Stephane -----Original Message----- From: Rtg-dt-yang-arch [mailto:rtg-dt-yang-arch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf= Of Lou Berger Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 03:40 To: Routing WG Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT Subject: [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-m= odel-03.txt Hello, This draft has been updated to use an emerging yang capability called = 'schema-mount' [1] which translates to a significant simplification. To qu= ote the draft: Schema Mount enables a dramatic simplification of the presented device model, particularly for "lower-end" devices which are unlikely to support multiple network instances or logical network elements. Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit tree structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to be utilized. As it looks like there will soon be a netmod WG draft on schema mount, we t= hink it's time to ask the WG to consider adopting our draft as a RTG WG dra= ft. [1] There was a netmod interim on schema mount on Monday, see http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/netmod-interim-20160222 Our slides from that meeting are available at https://www.ietf.org/proceedi= ngs/interim/2016/02/22/netmod/slides/slides-interim-2016-netmod-1-1.pptx and it gives a brief overview of the current draft. Lou (and co-authors) -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:29:51 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models Authors : Acee Lindem Lou Berger Dean Bogdanovic Christan Hopps Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2016-02-23 Abstract: This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG model, with all of the related component models logically organized in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch Instances (VSIs). This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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From nobody Thu Feb 25 05:25:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3071AC40E for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 05:25:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.666 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.666 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VZ5nxjm2tRNn for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 05:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B16B1AC409 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 05:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12420 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2016 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2016 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id NdQt1s00t2SSUrH01dQwTs; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 06:24:58 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=O8aq4nNW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=jFJIQSaiL_oA:10 a=z9tbli-vAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=EG7yr65WeupdG_XRREEA:9 a=9JzhpjzHg5cO2LIm:21 a=Pi9hru_VvnUUTzsj:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=jO5m9I1TzjoA:10 a=jM_x9b4JT8QA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=FI3ZON6YUd2I/FMFENW7aDR9zd9odM+99jp+Sp9fG54=; b=bQDfR2DG8XrxOwN4htm9FWgy7XuJxrrHa4GayBIpraY6D6SZDftYr01xhqmD/IRN81rz5SIhfKmTY/2ueMmOzsgSVpeYwacf5jlXERam1E2soVrmAauSWYg1PkUNBIgV; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:32863 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aYvuY-0007HY-Tw; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 06:24:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt To: stephane.litkowski@orange.com References: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> <22571_1456369342_56CE6EBE_22571_6778_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92168C9D1D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <56CF00A4.20203@labn.net> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 08:24:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22571_1456369342_56CE6EBE_22571_6778_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92168C9D1D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT , Routing WG X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:25:05 -0000 Stephane, See below. On 02/24/2016 10:02 PM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: > Hi Lou, > > > From a high level perspective, schema mount looks really good in term > of simplification. I went to the draft quickly (very quickly), and I > may see an issue. Let's take the example of LNE, LNE may not have the > exact same configuration statements as the physical host, as example > some HW specific parameters that can only be configured on the > physical host. In this case, when you mount the model into LNE, we > need the ability to prune some subtree of the mounted tree. Agreed (I think). > This > pruning capacity does not seem to be taken into account yet. > We tried to cover this point in sec 3.1: Resources assigned to the LNE will be represented in that LNE's resource modules. e.g., an LNE's interfaces module will contain the interfaces assigned to that LNE from the containing network-device. and in sec 3.2: ... When accessing an LNE via an LNE's management interface, a network-device representation will be presented, but its scope will be limited to the specific LNE. Normal YANG/NETCONF mechanisms, together with ietf-yang-library, can be used to identify the available modules. Each supported module will be presented as a top level module. Only LNE associated resources will be reflected in resource related modules, e.g., interfaces, hardware and perhaps QoS. From the management perspective, there will be no difference between the available LNE view (information) and an a physical network device. I'm sure there's room for improvement here and any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks, Lou > Thoughts ? > > Best Regards, > > Stephane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rtg-dt-yang-arch [mailto:rtg-dt-yang-arch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 03:40 > To: Routing WG > Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT > Subject: [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > > > Hello, > This draft has been updated to use an emerging yang capability called 'schema-mount' [1] which translates to a significant simplification. To quote the draft: > > Schema Mount enables a dramatic simplification of the presented > device model, particularly for "lower-end" devices which are unlikely > to support multiple network instances or logical network elements. > Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit tree > structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to > be utilized. > > As it looks like there will soon be a netmod WG draft on schema mount, we think it's time to ask the WG to consider adopting our draft as a RTG WG draft. > > [1] There was a netmod interim on schema mount on Monday, see > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/netmod-interim-20160222 > > Our slides from that meeting are available at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/02/22/netmod/slides/slides-interim-2016-netmod-1-1.pptx > and it gives a brief overview of the current draft. > > Lou (and co-authors) > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:29:51 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models > Authors : Acee Lindem > Lou Berger > Dean Bogdanovic > Christan Hopps > Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2016-02-23 > > Abstract: > This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a > comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate > network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG > model, with all of the related component models logically organized > in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not > expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are > expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. > > This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the > logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a > network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical > resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of > of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are > Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch > Instances (VSIs). > > This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members > of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is > a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-dt-yang-arch mailing list > Rtg-dt-yang-arch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-dt-yang-arch > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks! Regards, Jeff > On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hello, > This draft has been updated to use an emerging yang capability > called 'schema-mount' [1] which translates to a significant > simplification. To quote the draft: >=20 > Schema Mount enables a dramatic simplification of the presented > device model, particularly for "lower-end" devices which are unlikely > to support multiple network instances or logical network elements. > Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit tree > structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to > be utilized. >=20 > As it looks like there will soon be a netmod WG draft on schema mount, > we think it's time to ask the WG to consider adopting our draft as a RTG > WG draft. >=20 > [1] There was a netmod interim on schema mount on Monday, see > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/netmod-interim-20160222 >=20 > Our slides from that meeting are available at > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/02/22/netmod/slides/slides-= interim-2016-netmod-1-1.pptx=20 > and it gives a brief overview of the current draft. >=20 > Lou (and co-authors) > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:29:51 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. >=20 >=20 > Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models > Authors : Acee Lindem > Lou Berger > Dean Bogdanovic > Christan Hopps > Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2016-02-23 >=20 > Abstract: > This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a > comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate > network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG > model, with all of the related component models logically organized > in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not > expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are > expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. >=20 > This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the > logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a > network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical > resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of > of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are > Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch > Instances (VSIs). >=20 > This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members > of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is > a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Thu Feb 25 12:12:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BCE1B33CB; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.905 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KpM2Re62j3as; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B3B1A1B91; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (24-247-68-31.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com [24.247.68.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F58360C53; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD7B3F3D-8224-4E84-A56E-12EA966A5B79"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Christian Hopps In-Reply-To: <22571_1456369342_56CE6EBE_22571_6778_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92168C9D1D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:12:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9384BCF1-09C9-4CE3-BBF4-011E834CD7E7@chopps.org> References: <20160224022951.24025.69591.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56CD181B.3040307@labn.net> <22571_1456369342_56CE6EBE_22571_6778_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92168C9D1D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> To: stephane.litkowski@orange.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT , Routing WG X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:12:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FD7B3F3D-8224-4E84-A56E-12EA966A5B79 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:02 PM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: >=20 > Hi Lou, >=20 >> =46rom a high level perspective, schema mount looks really good in = term of simplification. I went to the draft quickly (very quickly), and = I may see an issue. > Let's take the example of LNE, LNE may not have the exact same = configuration statements as the physical host, as example some HW = specific parameters that can only be configured on the physical host. In = this case, when you mount the model into LNE, we need the ability to = prune some subtree of the mounted tree. This pruning capacity does not = seem to be taken into account yet. >=20 > Thoughts ? Think of the mounted models as something the LNE provides, not as = something that the host provides. The view and access using the mount = point is from the host, but the LNE defines what is there. Conceptually = this is just a different way to access the LNE models instead of logging = into the LNE mgmt netconf port and talking netconf directly to the LNE. This is not a requirement in how the things are implemented, but is = useful in clarifying what is being provided. Thanks, Chris. > Best Regards, >=20 > Stephane >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rtg-dt-yang-arch [mailto:rtg-dt-yang-arch-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 03:40 > To: Routing WG > Cc: Routing Area YANG Architecture DT > Subject: [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] Fwd: I-D Action: = draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt >=20 >=20 > Hello, > This draft has been updated to use an emerging yang capability = called 'schema-mount' [1] which translates to a significant = simplification. To quote the draft: >=20 > Schema Mount enables a dramatic simplification of the presented > device model, particularly for "lower-end" devices which are = unlikely > to support multiple network instances or logical network elements. > Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit = tree > structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need = to > be utilized. >=20 > As it looks like there will soon be a netmod WG draft on schema mount, = we think it's time to ask the WG to consider adopting our draft as a RTG = WG draft. >=20 > [1] There was a netmod interim on schema mount on Monday, see > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/netmod-interim-20160222 >=20 > Our slides from that meeting are available at = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/02/22/netmod/slides/slides-i= nterim-2016-netmod-1-1.pptx > and it gives a brief overview of the current draft. >=20 > Lou (and co-authors) > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:29:51 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models > Authors : Acee Lindem > Lou Berger > Dean Bogdanovic > Christan Hopps > Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2016-02-23 >=20 > Abstract: > This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a > comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate > network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG > model, with all of the related component models logically organized > in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not > expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are > expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. >=20 > This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the > logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on = a > network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical > resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples = of > of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are > Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch > Instances (VSIs). >=20 > This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members > of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is > a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-03 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or = ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-dt-yang-arch mailing list > Rtg-dt-yang-arch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-dt-yang-arch >=20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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The view and access using the mount point is from the host, but the LNE defines what is there. Conceptually this is just a different way to access the LNE models instead of logging into the LNE mgmt netconf port and talking netconf directly to the LNE. 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I track the discussions on the netmod WG list (and have done so since before it existed!) and do not expect either of those two issues to settle down in the immediate future. Some aspects of YANG get agreed quickly, others do not, and I see these two in the latter camp. So for me, the way to progress this I-D would be to join the netmod list and advance those two topics. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Berger" To: "Routing WG" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:59 PM > FYI - This has been out a little bit, but haven't seen any comments. > We'd definitely like to hear from the WG on this. > > quoting the draft: > This version is a major > change from the prior version and this change was enabled by the work > on the previously mentioned Structural Mount/YSDL. > > Note that an interim on Structural Mount/YSDL (which I think of > generally as 'schema mount') has been scheduled by the netmod WG -- see > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15257.html and > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15260.html > > Lou > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:16:07 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models > Authors : Acee Lindem > Lou Berger > Dean Bogdanovic > Christan Hopps > Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2016-01-22 > > Abstract: > This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a > comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate > network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG > model, with all of the related component models logically organized > in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not > expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are > expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. > > This document also defines two modules that can be used to model the > logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on a > network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical > resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples of > of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are > Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch > Instances (VSIs). > > This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members > of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and is > a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Fri Feb 26 04:22:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF9B1A011B for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 04:22:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.067 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.067 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0YCt6FbjOT6c for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 04:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F4DC1A012D for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 04:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20440 invoked by uid 0); 26 Feb 2016 12:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2016 12:22:47 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id P0Nh1s00d2SSUrH010NksN; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 05:22:47 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=FouWoQbq c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=qqXk6dxrMykA:10 a=jFJIQSaiL_oA:10 a=voZKSeMjAAAA:8 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=Oraa0mH6TnsHVSCF8vcA:9 a=7JZ3oAAPmid4z5Sy:21 a=8bbAcZHjcQVCKaDL:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jO5m9I1TzjoA:10 a=LoLZCLM3duwA:10 a=QZOH-XIhOAgA:10 a=jM_x9b4JT8QA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:To:From; bh=Q4wlv0mBn7YLNYJ9+OkYL2Jd5iQlfx6CjPAysdkDW0w=; b=0o/6oT4rrB9cQqIwSr24WhzIkv9OPZJI0ysIAJ2BxkmnPYAL7yesjiV7Q7tEG4oOPbLF3K+r0izOU9jjErkIqldoi237JC3+vN31QDFFFT6JI1v0q7yEzC53wp9KD1nr; Received: from [100.15.91.238] (port=57637 helo=[11.4.0.238]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aZHPt-00047f-Ny; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 05:22:41 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: "t.petch" , Routing WG Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 07:22:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1531d87dec8.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <013701d1708e$d4804ca0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> References: <20160122131607.8074.21335.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56C1E7B7.6020100@labn.net> <013701d1708e$d4804ca0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 AquaMail/1.6.0.10 (build: 24000016) Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 100.15.91.238 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:22:53 -0000 Tom, I understand your comment wrt mount . I think it is fair to suggest that having a net mod working group document on the topic be a gating item. Stay tuned. This sad, I hope that we can continue the discussion and identify any other possible issues for this working group. I don't understand how the opstate discussion ties in. Can you elaborate? Thanks, Lou On February 26, 2016 7:15:36 AM t.petch wrote: > Lou > > I think that it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to review this I-D > until the foundations on which it is based, mount and op-state, become > firmer. > > I track the discussions on the netmod WG list (and have done so since > before it existed!) and do not expect either of those two issues to > settle down in the immediate future. Some aspects of YANG get agreed > quickly, others do not, and I see these two in the latter camp. > > So for me, the way to progress this I-D would be to join the netmod > list and advance those two topics. > > Tom Petch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Berger" > To: "Routing WG" > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:59 PM > > >> FYI - This has been out a little bit, but haven't seen any comments. >> We'd definitely like to hear from the WG on this. >> >> quoting the draft: >> This version is a major >> change from the prior version and this change was enabled by the > work >> on the previously mentioned Structural Mount/YSDL. >> >> Note that an interim on Structural Mount/YSDL (which I think of >> generally as 'schema mount') has been scheduled by the netmod WG -- > see >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15257.html and >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15260.html >> >> Lou >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:16:07 -0800 >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> >> >> Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models >> Authors : Acee Lindem >> Lou Berger >> Dean Bogdanovic >> Christan Hopps >> Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt >> Pages : 36 >> Date : 2016-01-22 >> >> Abstract: >> This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a >> comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate >> network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG >> model, with all of the related component models logically organized >> in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not >> expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are >> expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. >> >> This document also defines two modules that can be used to model > the >> logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on > a >> network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical >> resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples > of >> of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are >> Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch >> Instances (VSIs). >> >> This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members >> of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and > is >> a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtgwg mailing list >> rtgwg@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > From nobody Fri Feb 26 09:43:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5B11B2BD6 for ; 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I think it is fair to suggest that > having a net mod working group document on the topic be a gating item. Stay > tuned. This sad, I hope that we can continue the discussion and identify > any other possible issues for this working group. > > I don't understand how the opstate discussion ties in. Can you elaborate? Lou section 1 " The top open issues are: 1. The use of YSDL vs Structural Mount, i.e., a Netmod defined Schema Mount solution, needs to be resolved as does ensuring that the selected approach has the needed capabilities. 2. This document will need to match the evolution and standardization of [OC-OPSTATE] or [NETMOD-OPSTATE] by the Netmod WG. ............. " Sounds like a Normative Reference to me (and as I said before, I still see divergent views expressed on the Netmod WG list). Tom Petch > Thanks, > Lou > > > On February 26, 2016 7:15:36 AM t.petch wrote: > > > Lou > > > > I think that it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to review this I-D > > until the foundations on which it is based, mount and op-state, become > > firmer. > > > > I track the discussions on the netmod WG list (and have done so since > > before it existed!) and do not expect either of those two issues to > > settle down in the immediate future. Some aspects of YANG get agreed > > quickly, others do not, and I see these two in the latter camp. > > > > So for me, the way to progress this I-D would be to join the netmod > > list and advance those two topics. > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lou Berger" > > To: "Routing WG" > > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:59 PM > > > > > >> FYI - This has been out a little bit, but haven't seen any comments. > >> We'd definitely like to hear from the WG on this. > >> > >> quoting the draft: > >> This version is a major > >> change from the prior version and this change was enabled by the > > work > >> on the previously mentioned Structural Mount/YSDL. > >> > >> Note that an interim on Structural Mount/YSDL (which I think of > >> generally as 'schema mount') has been scheduled by the netmod WG -- > > see > >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15257.html and > >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15260.html > >> > >> Lou > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >> Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt > >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:16:07 -0800 > >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > >> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > >> > >> > >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >> directories. > >> > >> > >> Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models > >> Authors : Acee Lindem > >> Lou Berger > >> Dean Bogdanovic > >> Christan Hopps > >> Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt > >> Pages : 36 > >> Date : 2016-01-22 > >> > >> Abstract: > >> This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a > >> comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and operate > >> network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG > >> model, with all of the related component models logically organized > >> in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not > >> expected to be implemented. The identified component modules are > >> expected to be defined and implemented on common network devices. > >> > >> This document also defines two modules that can be used to model > > the > >> logical and virtual resource representations that may be present on > > a > >> network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical > >> resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. Examples > > of > >> of common industry terms for virtual resource representations are > >> Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch > >> Instances (VSIs). > >> > >> This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by members > >> of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators and > > is > >> a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. > >> > >> > >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ > >> > >> There's also a htmlized version available at: > >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 > >> > >> A diff from the previous version is available at: > >> > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 > >> > >> > >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission > >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >> > >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> I-D-Announce mailing list > >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > >> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> rtgwg mailing list > >> rtgwg@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > > > > > From nobody Fri Feb 26 11:31:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DDD1B2EE9 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 11:30:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.305 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.305 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRZ6O6eYtsV5 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 11:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29ED51A6F3C for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 11:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (24-247-68-31.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com [24.247.68.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C0E4609CF; Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E37D053B-3763-4E79-A802-14CC9D7F89EF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Christian Hopps X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <02f401d170bc$9d829b80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 14:30:54 -0500 Message-Id: <5E231DE4-2C34-49AD-81F5-C7243721C288@chopps.org> References: <20160122131607.8074.21335.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56C1E7B7.6020100@labn.net> <013701d1708e$d4804ca0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <1531d87dec8.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> <02f401d170bc$9d829b80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: "t.petch" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: Routing WG X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:30:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E37D053B-3763-4E79-A802-14CC9D7F89EF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_93D0DA96-F206-4BB6-9AD3-C2E578A8DD81" --Apple-Mail=_93D0DA96-F206-4BB6-9AD3-C2E578A8DD81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Feb 26, 2016, at 12:29 PM, t.petch wrote: >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Berger" > > To: "t.petch" >; = "Routing WG" > > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 12:22 PM >=20 >> Tom, >>=20 >> I understand your comment wrt mount . I think it is fair to suggest > that >> having a net mod working group document on the topic be a gating = item. > Stay >> tuned. This sad, I hope that we can continue the discussion and > identify >> any other possible issues for this working group. >>=20 >> I don't understand how the opstate discussion ties in. Can you > elaborate? >=20 > Lou >=20 > section 1 > " The top open issues are: >=20 > 1. The use of YSDL vs Structural Mount, i.e., a Netmod defined > Schema Mount solution, needs to be resolved as does ensuring = that > the selected approach has the needed capabilities. This actually doesn't feel contentious to me. The 2 solutions are very = similar, and in fact good progress was made at the most recent interim = with the 2 authors agreeing to work together. I don't believe I've seen = anyone objecting to the concept of a mount whichever form it takes on = the mailing list either. > 2. This document will need to match the evolution and > standardization of [OC-OPSTATE] or [NETMOD-OPSTATE] by > the Netmod WG. We are simply stating the document needs to track the evolution of this. = I don't believe there's anything in this draft that requires an opstate = solution be chosen in order to review it. In fact if this were the case = since op-state is targeted at *all* yang models, we would have to stop = working on all models by this logic. :) Thanks, Chris. > ............. > " > Sounds like a Normative Reference to me (and as I said before, I still > see divergent views expressed on the Netmod WG list). >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >> Thanks, >> Lou >>=20 >>=20 >> On February 26, 2016 7:15:36 AM t.petch wrote: >>=20 >>> Lou >>>=20 >>> I think that it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to review this I-D >>> until the foundations on which it is based, mount and op-state, > become >>> firmer. >>>=20 >>> I track the discussions on the netmod WG list (and have done so > since >>> before it existed!) and do not expect either of those two issues to >>> settle down in the immediate future. Some aspects of YANG get > agreed >>> quickly, others do not, and I see these two in the latter camp. >>>=20 >>> So for me, the way to progress this I-D would be to join the netmod >>> list and advance those two topics. >>>=20 >>> Tom Petch >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lou Berger" >>> To: "Routing WG" >>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 2:59 PM >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> FYI - This has been out a little bit, but haven't seen any > comments. >>>> We'd definitely like to hear from the WG on this. >>>>=20 >>>> quoting the draft: >>>> This version is a major >>>> change from the prior version and this change was enabled by the >>> work >>>> on the previously mentioned Structural Mount/YSDL. >>>>=20 >>>> Note that an interim on Structural Mount/YSDL (which I think of >>>> generally as 'schema mount') has been scheduled by the netmod WG -- >>> see >>>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15257.html > and >>>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15260.html >>>>=20 >>>> Lou >>>>=20 >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> Subject: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt >>>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:16:07 -0800 >>>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >>>> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >>>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>> directories. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Title : Network Device YANG Organizational Models >>>> Authors : Acee Lindem >>>> Lou Berger >>>> Dean Bogdanovic >>>> Christan Hopps >>>> Filename : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt >>>> Pages : 36 >>>> Date : 2016-01-22 >>>>=20 >>>> Abstract: >>>> This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in > a >>>> comprehensive structure that may be used to configure and > operate >>>> network devices. The structure is itself represented as a YANG >>>> model, with all of the related component models logically > organized >>>> in a way that is operationally intuitive, but this model is not >>>> expected to be implemented. The identified component modules > are >>>> expected to be defined and implemented on common network > devices. >>>>=20 >>>> This document also defines two modules that can be used to model >>> the >>>> logical and virtual resource representations that may be present > on >>> a >>>> network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical >>>> resource representations are Logical Systems or Routers. > Examples >>> of >>>> of common industry terms for virtual resource representations > are >>>> Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual > Switch >>>> Instances (VSIs). >>>>=20 >>>> This document is derived from work submitted to the IETF by > members >>>> of the informal OpenConfig working group of network operators > and >>> is >>>> a product of the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ >>>>=20 >>>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 >>>>=20 >>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>=20 >>>=20 > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>> submission >>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. >>>>=20 >>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> I-D-Announce mailing list >>>> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >>>> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >>>> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rtgwg mailing list >>>> rtgwg@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg --Apple-Mail=_93D0DA96-F206-4BB6-9AD3-C2E578A8DD81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Feb 26, 2016, at 12:29 PM, t.petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>= wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Berger" = <lberger@labn.net>
To: "t.petch" = <ietfa@btconnect.com>; "Routing WG" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Sent: Friday, February 26, = 2016 12:22 PM

Tom,

I understand your comment wrt mount .  I think it is = fair to suggest
that
having a net mod working = group document on the topic be a gating item.
Stay
tuned. This sad, I hope that = we can continue the discussion and
identify
any = other possible issues for this working group.

I don't understand how the opstate discussion ties in. =  Can you
elaborate?

Lou

section 1
"   The top open issues = are:

 1.  The use of = YSDL vs Structural Mount, i.e., a Netmod defined
      Schema Mount solution, = needs to be resolved as does ensuring that
      the = selected approach has the needed capabilities.

This actually doesn't feel contentious to me. The = 2 solutions are very similar, and in fact good progress was made at the = most recent interim with the 2 authors agreeing to work together. I = don't believe I've seen anyone objecting to the concept of a mount = whichever form it takes on the mailing list either.

 2.  This document will need to = match the evolution and
      standardization of = [OC-OPSTATE] or [NETMOD-OPSTATE] by
      the = Netmod WG.

We are = simply stating the document needs to track the evolution of this. I = don't believe there's anything in this draft that requires an opstate = solution be chosen in order to review it. In fact if this were the case = since op-state is targeted at *all* yang models, we would have to stop = working on all models by this logic. :)

Thanks,
Chris.

.............
"
Sounds like a Normative Reference to me = (and as I said before, I still
see divergent views expressed on the = Netmod WG list).

Tom Petch

Thanks,
Lou


On February 26, 2016 7:15:36 AM t.petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>= wrote:

Lou

I think that it is = difficult, perhaps impossible, to review this I-D
until = the foundations on which it is based, mount and op-state,
become
firmer.

I track the discussions = on the netmod WG list (and have done so
since
before it existed!) and do not expect either of those two = issues to
settle down in the immediate future.  Some = aspects of YANG get
agreed
quickly, others do not, = and I see these two in the latter camp.

So = for me,  the way to progress this I-D would be to join the = netmod
list and advance those two topics.

Tom Petch


----- = Original Message -----
From: "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net>
To: "Routing WG" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, February = 15, 2016 2:59 PM


FYI - This has been out a little bit, but = haven't seen any
comments.
We'd definitely like to hear from the WG on this.

quoting the draft:
  This version is a major
  change from the prior version and this change was = enabled by the
work
  on the previously mentioned = Structural Mount/YSDL.

Note that an interim = on Structural Mount/YSDL (which I think of
generally as = 'schema mount') has been scheduled by the netmod WG --
see
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15257.ht= ml
and
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg15260.ht= ml

Lou

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: = I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt
Date: = Fri, 22 Jan 2016 05:16:07 -0800
From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Reply-To: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org


A New Internet-Draft is = available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
directories.


       Title =           : Network = Device YANG Organizational Models
       Authors =         : Acee Lindem
          &nb= sp;            = ;  Lou Berger
          &nb= sp;            = ;  Dean Bogdanovic
          &nb= sp;            = ;  Christan Hopps
Filename =        : = draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-02.txt
Pages =           : 36
Date =            : = 2016-01-22

Abstract:
  This document presents an approach for organizing = YANG models in
a
  comprehensive structure that may be used to = configure and
operate
  network devices.  The structure is itself = represented as a YANG
  model, with all of the = related component models logically
organized
  in a way that is operationally intuitive, but = this model is not
  expected to be implemented. =  The identified component modules
are
  expected to be defined and implemented on common = network
devices.

  This document also defines two = modules that can be used to model
the
  logical and = virtual resource representations that may be present
on
a
  network = device.  Examples of common industry terms for logical
  resource representations are Logical Systems or = Routers.
Examples
of
  of common = industry terms for virtual resource representations
are
  Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances = and Virtual
Switch
  Instances (VSIs).

  This document is derived from work submitted to = the IETF by
members
  of the informal OpenConfig working group of = network operators
and
is
  a product of = the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team.


The IETF datatracker status page for this = draft is:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-m= odel/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-= 02

A diff from the previous version is = available at:


https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-devic= e-model-02


Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of
submission
until the htmlized = version and diff are available at
tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by = anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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"Routing WG" > > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 12:22 PM > >> Tom, >> >> I understand your comment wrt mount . I think it is fair to suggest > that >> having a net mod working group document on the topic be a gating item. > Stay >> tuned. This sad, I hope that we can continue the discussion and > identify >> any other possible issues for this working group. >> >> I don't understand how the opstate discussion ties in. Can you > elaborate? > > Lou > > 2. This document will need to match the evolution and > standardization of [OC-OPSTATE] or [NETMOD-OPSTATE] by > the Netmod WG. We are simply stating the document needs to track the evolution of this. I don't believe there's anything in this draft that requires an opstate solution be chosen in order to review it. In fact if this were the case since op-state is targeted at *all* yang models, we would have to stop working on all models by this logic. :) Chris It is described as an open issue so I take it as such, i.e. that the draft cannot be finalised until the issue is; I have not been through the I-D to see where the text depends on the outcome of the opstate discussions (but find it plausible that it should) so it discourages me from going further. In passing, I doubt that opstate is targeted at all yang models; YANG was around for a while before these particular requirements surfaced and the I-D itself specifies a limited scope, namely "protocols and functions defined within the IETF Routing Area". Tom Petch Thanks, Chris. > ............. > " > Sounds like a Normative Reference to me (and as I said before, I still > see divergent views expressed on the Netmod WG list). > > Tom Petch > >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >> >> On February 26, 2016 7:15:36 AM t.petch wrote: