From nobody Fri Jul 1 07:20:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0080412D669; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wegTUrV0F06y; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D1F12D666; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5951; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467382838; x=1468592438; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=BB/y3S/ey7INxFiOeNwQyf2ERjNmZGutL+DUe9XJV4c=; b=HASMRu+oXu9fqnLp4yVFKTrmfnyL3Hkj7ndM3O5uebl+fCu646AZ7r+T t+vjTFGept++7uWgl9QS9rOezn+be2mLXDhWM2ZK4xAgAKzh5qVB/26nn aLHi055uPUxi6wCh3TdTyjqEg0I9p4g6lJxzoNWKKUToxN/Ksl6BHCs5W I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ACAgAKfHZX/5RdJa1dgz5WfAa5SoF7I?= =?us-ascii?q?oV2AoEvOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeETAEBBXkMBAIBCBEEAQEBJwcyFAkIAQEEAQ0FG4g?= =?us-ascii?q?VDgPEIAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcFinWEIwEBhXYFjjmFCIVPAYYIi?= =?us-ascii?q?DuBaoRWgy57hEGGVokyAR42g3Buhz82fwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,557,1459814400"; d="scan'208";a="291808574" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 01 Jul 2016 14:20:23 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (xch-rcd-015.cisco.com [173.37.102.25]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u61EKNWJ017518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:20:23 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:20:23 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:20:23 -0500 From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" To: Gregory Mirsky , Tal Mizrahi , "draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts Thread-Topic: Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts Thread-Index: AdHPgQ8L7yui3SQ6S8i+8JhXelTIiwAPKBqAAAIJKnAAD6mBkADp5h2A Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:20:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7e12c3e474924b04b133da754e2f9cf8@IL-EXCH01.marvell.com> <48da4f66881d4accb182513b39744fc1@IL-EXCH01.marvell.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AB8DC9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AB8DC9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.20.14] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <2D395EFF6D215548B7D4355C1395C3A5@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "bier@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:20:41 -0000 Hi Tal, 6. Section 6 - certainly the OAM requirements have security implications. For example, OAM protocols may be subject to DoS attacks and to network recon. Some of these considerations are discussed in RFC 7276. The draft is listing the requirements and does not discuss about any solution or machinery. Accordingly, it does not introduce any security implications. I think the security consideration is applicable on the document that define the solutions. Does the below works: "This document list the OAM requirement for various Overlay network and does not raise any security considerations. Any document defining the solution for the above requirement must consider and include the relevant security mechanism=B2. Thanks, Nagendra On 6/26/16, 8:36 PM, "Gregory Mirsky" wrote: >Hi Tal, >many thanks for your thorough review of the documents by OOAM DT, greatly >appreciated. Please find my answers and notes in-line and tagged GIM>>. >We're preparing updates to both drafts and will reflect your comments in >the coming updates. > > Regards, > Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tal Mizrahi [mailto:talmi@marvell.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 7:20 AM >To: Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar); >draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis@tools.ietf.org; >draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement@tools.ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org >Cc: bier@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org >Subject: RE: Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts > >Dear Nagendra, > >>The comments seems to be missing in the mail. Can you please share the >>same?. > >Strange... The comments seem to be visible in the mail archive >(https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/EPxJQcw9lOAIHV2HkRwNE6GVxAU). > >Nevertheless, here goes again: > > >Comments about draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement-00 > >A general question about the draft: does the draft define requirements >for operators, requirements for vendors, or requirements for IETF working >groups? These are three significantly different scopes, and reading the >document I was not able to assess who the requirements are intended for. > >Other comments: >1. Section 3: The term 'UCMP' is defined in Section 3, but not used in >the document. >GIM>> Good catch, will clear >2. The following terms are used in the draft without having been defined: >- 'OAM session' >- 'node' >- 'centralized controller' >- 'FM' >GIM>> While Fault Management is straightforward >3. Section 4.1.1: 'Reverse Defect Indication (RDI)' =3D=3D> RDI usually >stands for Remote Defect Indication. >GIM>> Indeed, thank you. Will update. >4. Section 4.1.2: "Overlay OAM MAY support verification of the mapping >between its data plane state and client layer services" - please clarify >further. >GIM>> We intend to provide solutions in the new document. But one use >case discussed in draft-nordmark-nvo3-transcending-traceroute. >5. Section 4.2: the terms 'active' and 'passive' have not been defined in >the current draft (you may want to cite RFC 7799). >Specifically, this clarification is necessary since the term 'passive' >according to RFC 7799 is slightly different than the term 'passive' in >draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-00. >GIM>> Yes, and we are talking about measurement methods that can be used >"almost as passive" and explain the requirements toward the overlay to >achieve such behavior. >6. Section 6 - certainly the OAM requirements have security implications. >For example, OAM protocols may be subject to DoS attacks and to network >recon. Some of these considerations are discussed in RFC 7276. > > >Comments about draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis-01 > >1. I believe having an OAM gap analysis draft is a good idea. >GIM>> Thank you. >2. The current draft is still very preliminary, and some of the sections >are still empty.=20 >GIM>> we'll post update before the cut-off date to discuss it in Berlin. >3. Section 1: The introduction of the document goes way beyond the scope >of the title (Gap Analysis). The intro actually defines the baseline of >an Overlay OAM solution. Either this part should be removed from the >document, or the scope of the document should be redefined. >GIM>> I think it may justified as we list existing IETF OAM protocols. >Though we may move them out of the Introduction and into the new section. >4. Section 3.3: this section is unclear, and should probably be rephrased. >The section discusses both in-band telemetry and passive monitoring, and >it is not clear whether the two are related or not. >GIM>> We've discussed the telemetry and it could be collected using >active OAM, i.e. using injected OAM packets, or using passive-like >method. Interestingly to discussion in RFC 7799, telemetry collection may >use methods that could be characterized as hybrid methods as well. >5. Section 5: it looks like this text was copied from another draft, and >is not applicable to this document. >GIM>> Indeed, we've removed it in the working version. Contributions are >welcome and appreciated. > >Cheers, >Tal. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar) [mailto:naikumar@cisco.com] >>Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:16 PM >>To: Tal Mizrahi; draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis@tools.ietf.org; >>draft- ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement@tools.ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org >>Cc: bier@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts >> >>Hi Tal, >> >>The comments seems to be missing in the mail. Can you please share the >>same?. >> >>Thanks, >>Nagendra >> >>On 6/26/16, 4:12 AM, "Tal Mizrahi" wrote: >> >>>Dear OOAM Authors, >>> >>>I have read the two OOAM drafts, and I have some comments. Please see >>>below > From nobody Fri Jul 1 07:55:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2200412D146; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:55:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xgtai-gQlPNQ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7114B12B061; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id v199so29912608wmv.0; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 07:55:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:reply-to :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bNj4hwH8+sxoF0ient0FGt8ID7dQmgSWp7mDJqMSjY4=; b=sYUqST3VpErVdTOEu9xFo17tX60HEOlTcI3N95DvYvGJYv7bT3vfwp6bSIgodDd6lU 54tfVLjbV6xvZpUWw9SbxYEwemMPaxXpxPaLG3J1dr/DJ73usSQw6s+FUZNcOigBEl/5 YnI07yyGAjbq6wC9k2auO+K29W2Gmbe7WnAd9azR2KU3t6y8fhp9/HZ4HGyviBZbTbQ1 rwFEN1fZYh8/+d13H53J8RZWwqT04W0SlCOF8flXRaxC0twQ0sZ+AgEIk0ILLbvHfQvv HnnpjKaCoBL2AOtV/7anfqMXmNUpB+0/xSXUE+GVJLMyHrEca4GpNqLPvP6as9cMTHZy Fs1g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from :reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bNj4hwH8+sxoF0ient0FGt8ID7dQmgSWp7mDJqMSjY4=; b=DS05DHZS3xhCCMK4N7MauRJcEVKakeSvyjnjlRxlxXidWNwPM+uATPXYSGX+7Oxjbz EDHxvfOFad/5PwM7nARoZoFvaFfkMOVXPcZmQaHflZM8GgMH2hcifIbi/3ExfvbEDoIz fnaSoivfV92QMFRSJjFdLuhR6LSeDKsEh2dAnlSS84W9aLdDgMT9j0cQ5iP0UuxJStIy dMyN0U2GQbVs7ltWNi+O0q9Afzz1mox2hbLZvUhmx2pUyCKF++L4id1bf+t+TQmolPVF XrAe5bGVER2G1NWGdJokiio/CtGH3onqRBhkZA16vmNu/wqT4DfkvcFm3R02O8jz6TLo rlAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLV+SdMiUm8xKa4oiET9BAHgA/GV1M69QBhXSX4LDaWm9KCXODoZNs55p90Ggti/A== X-Received: by 10.194.43.131 with SMTP id w3mr4040750wjl.76.1467384947899; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 07:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from McAsterix.local ([92.109.37.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t188sm6844451wma.8.2016.07.01.07.55.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Jul 2016 07:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57768471.4080707@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 16:55:45 +0200 From: Huub van Helvoort User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gregory Mirsky , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" , "nvo3@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sfc] New documents published by Overlay OAM DT References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A217BD@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A217BD@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "Ignas Bagdonas \(ibagdona@gmail.com\)" , "Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\) \(cpignata@cisco.com\)" , "Erik Nordmark \(nordmark@sonic.net\)" , "dekumar@cisco.com" , "Nagendra Kumar \(naikumar\) \(naikumar@cisco.com\)" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: huubatwork@gmail.com List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:55:51 -0000
Dear Greg,

You wrote:

the design team had published two documents:

·         Overlay OAM Requirements https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement-00

·         OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis-00


Both documents have subsections pro-active and on-demand for FM
but active and passive for PM.

Why is there no distinction made for active and passive FM,
and pro-active and on-demand for PM?

Best regards, Huub.


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From nobody Fri Jul 1 08:38:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4646212D742; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 08:38:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.191 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.191 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DZ9rm18Wr_eA; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 08:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg21.ericsson.net (usplmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 420F012D675; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f796f6d000000e1e-29-57768e4586a2 Received: from EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.90]) by usplmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 6E.CD.03614.54E86775; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:37:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:38:44 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: "huubatwork@gmail.com" , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" , "nvo3@ietf.org" Subject: RE: [sfc] New documents published by Overlay OAM DT Thread-Topic: [sfc] New documents published by Overlay OAM DT Thread-Index: AdGEaT578BdMGmKpSI6z+qZCjRGO1hPYO3KAAAcznfA= Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:38:44 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ABE855@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A217BD@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <57768471.4080707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57768471.4080707@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ABE855eusaamb103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrGIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlK5rX1m4Qe9NBYtPDy8xWyydsYfJ 4tO7HSwW5yYtY7f4ueoTu8WM2ZdZLT43drJYvJ44lc3iZecGNoun8yUt1jc3MVt8/rON0eLC m9/MFs+ePmK2ePJgK7sDv8eU3xtZPSY2v2P32DnrLrvHkiU/mTyeTT/M5PG0u5klgC2KyyYl NSezLLVI3y6BK2PLiu2MBafiK45cOMfUwDgzpIuRk0NCwETizNKlTBC2mMSFe+vZuhi5OIQE jjJKTJ0yiRXCWcYoMfHnKmaQKjYBI4kXG3vYQRIiAi8ZJRafusAC4jALzGWR2DnhBDtIlbCA jUTjnOtgHSICthKt/zewQNhWEi03HoPZLAIqEvdabgDVcHDwCvhKrPvlDBIWEsiRaDr5jAkk zCmgKXF9lgBImBHouu+n1oBdyiwgLnHryXyoqwUkluw5zwxhi0q8fPyPFcJWkvj4ez47yBhm gXyJDe9UQcK8AoISJ2c+YZnAKDoLyaRZCFWzkFRBlOhILNj9iQ3C1pZYtvA1M4x95sBjJmTx BYzsqxg5SosLcnLTjQw3MQJj/5gEm+MOxr29nocYBTgYlXh4F5wrDRdiTSwrrsw9xCjBwawk wtvTVRYuxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iFGag0VJnFf/pWK4kEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgbFv h+g//ZrtNzttv/FMe5XX4mGkcelf7ek+vxmBPF9m/pseW7Bt1ozd39z1rdYK10ssKuzfftz8 5r20Lvf47z4KnUUdtWVZHWU7HrjoW2xUlbn751c3t/ekK8v+5/OlWPndttxY1a/SW/f3maLc iZi9f2vdclOtplmmnI6evC2UeWpJ4ryUj0osxRmJhlrMRcWJAAWTREf5AgAA Archived-At: Cc: "Ignas Bagdonas \(ibagdona@gmail.com\)" , "Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\) \(cpignata@cisco.com\)" , "Erik Nordmark \(nordmark@sonic.net\)" , "dekumar@cisco.com" , "Nagendra Kumar \(naikumar\) \(naikumar@cisco.com\)" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 15:38:51 -0000 --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ABE855eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Huub, thank you for your interest in these documents and the questions. Frankly, I don't have an example of passive FM among ITEF-developed OAM too= ls. Distinction between proactive and on-demand may be subjective if we conside= r how a Measurement Agent from LMAP framework executes measurement tasks, i= .e. performs PM operation, based on pre-defined schedule. Is that proactive= or on-demand PM operation? Perhaps such distinction is unnecessary but we = used these categories because traditionally we refer to ping and traceroute= to be on-demand while BFD as proactive OAM. What would you suggest? Regards, Greg From: Huub van Helvoort [mailto:huubatwork@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:56 AM To: Gregory Mirsky; rtg-bfd@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; BIER (b= ier@ietf.org); nvo3@ietf.org Cc: Ignas Bagdonas (ibagdona@gmail.com); Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) (cpign= ata@cisco.com); Erik Nordmark (nordmark@sonic.net); dekumar@cisco.com; Petr= Lapukhov (petr@fb.com); santosh.pallagatti@gmail.com; Alia Atlas (akatlas@= gmail.com); Nagendra Kumar (naikumar) (naikumar@cisco.com); David Mozes (da= vidm@mellanox.com) Subject: Re: [sfc] New documents published by Overlay OAM DT Dear Greg, You wrote: the design team had published two documents: * Overlay OAM Requirements https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt= -rtgwg-ooam-requirement-00 * OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis-00 Both documents have subsections pro-active and on-demand for FM but active and passive for PM. 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Hi Huub,

thank you for your int= erest in these documents and the questions.

Frankly, I don’t= have an example of passive FM among ITEF-developed OAM tools.

Distinction between pr= oactive and on-demand may be subjective if we consider how a Measurement Ag= ent from LMAP framework executes measurement tasks, i.e. performs PM operat= ion, based on pre-defined schedule. Is that proactive or on-demand PM operation? Perhaps such distinction is u= nnecessary but we used these categories because traditionally we refer to p= ing and traceroute to be on-demand while BFD as proactive OAM.

What would you suggest= ?

 

   &nbs= p;            Regard= s,

   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Greg

 

From: Huub van Helvoort [mailto:huubatwork@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Gregory Mirsky; rtg-bfd@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; = BIER (bier@ietf.org); nvo3@ietf.org
Cc: Ignas Bagdonas (ibagdona@gmail.com); Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)= (cpignata@cisco.com); Erik Nordmark (nordmark@sonic.net); dekumar@cisco.co= m; Petr Lapukhov (petr@fb.com); santosh.pallagatti@gmail.com; Alia Atlas (a= katlas@gmail.com); Nagendra Kumar (naikumar) (naikumar@cisco.com); David Mozes (davidm@mellanox.com)
Subject: Re: [sfc] New documents published by Overlay OAM DT

 

Dear Greg,

You wrote:

the design team had published two documents:

·         Overlay OAM Requirements https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement-00=

·         OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis-00=


Both documents have subsections pro-active and on-demand for FM
but active and passive for PM.

Why is there no distinction made for active and passive FM,
and pro-active and on-demand for PM?

Best regards, Huub.



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Please update references prior to the July= 8th >cut-off.=20 > >Thanks, >Acee=20 > >On 6/28/16, 2:59 AM, "rtgwg on behalf of Benoit Claise (bclaise)" > wrote: > >>Also, note that 7 YANG modules currently fail because of this issue, >>while they compiled fine with v2. >> ietf-bier.yang >> ietf-isis-sr@2016-03-21.yang >> ietf-isis@2016-03-21.yang >> ietf-ospf-bfd@2016-03-20.yang >> ietf-ospf-sr@2016-03-20.yang >> ietf-ospf@2016-03-20.yang >> ietf-rip@2016-01-28.yang >> >>Search for "ietf-routing-key-chain" in >>http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html >> >>Regards, Benoit >>> Dear draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-03, >>> >>> The YANG module compilation in your draft fails with the following >>> warning: >>> ietf-routing-key-chain@2016-06-27.yang:1: warning: unexpected >>> modulename "ietf-key-chain" in ietf-routing-key-chain@2016-06-27.yang, >>> should be ietf-routing-key-chain >>> See http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html >>> >>> The previous version 02 was fine in that regards. >>> >>> This warning should have been flagged in idnits. 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2864; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467613786; x=1468823386; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5KPHtGDuX0Rn60X8K36qboO2rITA2yc7C2rlnoXMlsQ=; b=mMIoKBc+LPiYPOtNmltM8r/ntgeGP0WZXSZ0tZiQwX1pMzYZUaza9l5I 2SVqSfZh8Y1Yd/wDTCtN+KqzhtxNGELQ8+5HtriJj46DdOJ879nFjaHcl IRvjgCUH8zYNCUhy5D+V07G0ycEAHQUuMY/DGvOIFG7jse5hcqsxDMUDj E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,573,1459814400"; d="scan'208";a="636531230" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Jul 2016 06:29:44 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u646ThQ3021126; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 06:29:44 GMT Subject: Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain: YANG compilation To: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" References: <0f35716a-f7fd-e0a7-079c-6ff128f19043@cisco.com> <916aea98-b4ad-e56a-2dd7-18826aec3f42@cisco.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:29:43 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Xufeng Liu X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 06:29:48 -0000 Please report it as a bug https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain/ => very last line of the page. Regards, B. > Thanks Acee. I was on > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-03 and it > showed 03 as latest. When I went to 02 it showed up to 06. > > > > On 2016-07-03, 9:43 PM, "Acee Lindem (acee)" wrote: > >> Reshad - you are looking at an older version. Look at the latest, >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-06.txt >> Acee >> >> On 7/3/16, 9:36 PM, "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: >> >>> Is there still a small issue in draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-03 >>> >>> 4 Key Chain YANG Model >>> >>> file "ietf-routing-key-chain@2016-06-27.yang" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2016-06-28, 7:42 AM, "rtgwg on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Derek, Stephane, and Xufeng, >>>> >>>> Due to popular demand, we have restored the name of the key-chain module >>>> to simply ³ietf-key-chain². Please update references prior to the July >>>> 8th >>>> cut-off. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> >>>> On 6/28/16, 2:59 AM, "rtgwg on behalf of Benoit Claise (bclaise)" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also, note that 7 YANG modules currently fail because of this issue, >>>>> while they compiled fine with v2. >>>>> ietf-bier.yang >>>>> ietf-isis-sr@2016-03-21.yang >>>>> ietf-isis@2016-03-21.yang >>>>> ietf-ospf-bfd@2016-03-20.yang >>>>> ietf-ospf-sr@2016-03-20.yang >>>>> ietf-ospf@2016-03-20.yang >>>>> ietf-rip@2016-01-28.yang >>>>> >>>>> Search for "ietf-routing-key-chain" in >>>>> http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Benoit >>>>>> Dear draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-03, >>>>>> >>>>>> The YANG module compilation in your draft fails with the following >>>>>> warning: >>>>>> ietf-routing-key-chain@2016-06-27.yang:1: warning: unexpected >>>>>> modulename "ietf-key-chain" in >>>>>> ietf-routing-key-chain@2016-06-27.yang, >>>>>> should be ietf-routing-key-chain >>>>>> See http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html >>>>>> >>>>>> The previous version 02 was fine in that regards. >>>>>> >>>>>> This warning should have been flagged in idnits. Let me know if this >>>>>> was not the case. >>>>>> www.yangvalidator.com can also be useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Benoit >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rtgwg mailing list >>>>> rtgwg@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rtgwg mailing list >>>> rtgwg@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Mon Jul 4 00:46:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFF412D0A5; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 00:46:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-03.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160704074616.2574.68643.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 00:46:16 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 07:46:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : SPF Back-off algorithm for link state IGPs Authors : Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Hannes Gredler Acee Lindem Pierre Francois Chris Bowers Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-03.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2016-07-04 Abstract: This document defines a standard algorithm to back-off link-state IGP SPF computations. Having one standard algorithm improves interoperability by reducing the probability and/or duration of transient forwarding loops during the IGP convergence when the IGP reacts to multiple proximate IGP events. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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boundary="_000_D3A0227568F4Dsadikshiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:27:17 -0000 --_000_D3A0227568F4Dsadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. "Exactly same path", should be made explicit if it's referring to the under= lay transport path. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic" will not apply to "R= EQ#3: centralized controller". I think "SHOULD" should be treated as a "MUST" if the reference is within t= he document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the "localization" maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have a "= MAY" requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. REQ#22 - REQ#25 refer to "per-segment". A "segment" maps to a NVO-tunnel? Shouldn't there be on a per-VNI basis a= s well. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3A0227568F4Dsadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <54A12C80EC4A9D47BC12A6E7B1505CFF@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

“Exactly same path”, should be made explicit if it’s refe= rring to the underlay transport path.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic&= #8221; will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller&#= 8221;.
I think “SHOULD” should be treated as= a “MUST” if the reference is within the document :)


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the “localization” maps to overlay node/link context ? Can= we have a “MAY” requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

REQ#22 — REQ#25 refer to “per-segment”. 
A “segment” maps to a NVO-tunnel?  Shouldn’t there b= e on a  per-VNI basis as well.

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_D3A0227568F4Dsadikshiciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jul 4 04:09:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A112B05E; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 04:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rbBiHeFbXflR; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 04:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC08812B03C; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 04:09:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=16124; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467630568; x=1468840168; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=ukg/UQo52rFxmySbAJQbCKWM6GjYUyKOPAcumwkv1c8=; b=QngqqmXJh7EPTTEtPVMn70ZBZptFrZhA3PstJtQGnTwIqnBfCgqPrwbn bTkNnEuc0kn9kI5LsM+Fi2hGyThg3zJG+dONAdsKI4HB6RN1XbYkbV3m4 aA0XDhlHobLAdcEN5Z8B7279498kOwSyqxv8KC6YTGESXyPF1rf75ICWt U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BBAgD1QnpX/5FdJa1cgnBOVnwGtC2Cc?= =?us-ascii?q?oIPgXkihXYCgTQ4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RMAQEFLUwQAgEIEQMBAigHMhQJCAIEAQ0?= =?us-ascii?q?FiDAOuX8BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXBYp1hE4ShTsFjjyFHYU6AYYIi?= =?us-ascii?q?D6BaoRWiGqQCQEeNoNwbogNfwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,574,1459814400"; d="scan'208,217";a="293219403" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Jul 2016 11:09:26 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-012.cisco.com (xch-aln-012.cisco.com [173.36.7.22]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u64B9QEn020413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:26 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) by XCH-ALN-012.cisco.com (173.36.7.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 06:09:25 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 06:09:26 -0500 From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" , Gregory Mirsky , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" , "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Topic: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Index: AQHR1eSG9uAc9pVYcEa4KqSDjjMrVg== Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.20.11] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D39FBA4116A342naikumarciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:09:31 -0000 --_000_D39FBA4116A342naikumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. "Exactly same path", should be made explicit if it's referring to the under= lay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic" will not apply to "R= EQ#3: centralized controller". I think "SHOULD" should be treated as a "MUST" if the reference is within t= he document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the "localization" maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have a "= MAY" requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 - REQ#25 refer to "per-segment". A "segment" maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn't there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D39FBA4116A342naikumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

“Exactly same path”, should be made explicit if it’s refe= rring to the underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic&= #8221; will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller&#= 8221;.
I think “SHOULD” should be treated as= a “MUST” if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the “localization” maps to overlay node/link context ? Can= we have a “MAY” requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 — REQ#25 refer to “per-segment”. 
A “segment” maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn’t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_D39FBA4116A342naikumarciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jul 4 11:09:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5364A12D53C; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJMY2jTAxC0d; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A98A812D109; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=20363; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467655744; x=1468865344; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=sfCkdqhwnABCOAha2s0GVsPHR6nKw2F0ARaVmIdNmvg=; b=FK7jzLiewfNqKs3UJLfmsBhfHL7nYFFtnfwQ/NoVJSs4Z2eloieLeEXX HKTkdLC13/6su4SZn5jkjlPLzCqRwu6YqIpGP0vopsDxMqQOOgdluJNlM BbJnvFrH+cVzFizcfC6XjF7zonv4gi2RjzIHeHP1zZrzh4D48FLj/sKwu U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AgAgAZpXpX/5BdJa1bgnBOVnwGtyaCD?= =?us-ascii?q?4F5IoV2AoE5OBQBAQEBAQEBZSeETAEBBS1MEAIBCBEDAQIoBzIUCQgCBAENBYg?= =?us-ascii?q?wDrkPAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBFwWGJ4RNhBIRASoShTsFjjyFHYU6A?= =?us-ascii?q?YYIiD6BaoRWiGqQCQEeNoNwbodXNn8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,575,1459814400"; d="scan'208,217";a="293564810" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Jul 2016 18:09:03 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-012.cisco.com (xch-rcd-012.cisco.com [173.37.102.22]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u64I93jn023782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jul 2016 18:09:03 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-RCD-012.cisco.com (173.37.102.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:09:02 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:09:02 -0500 From: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" , Gregory Mirsky , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" , "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Topic: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Index: AQHR1dNfu0FhL91PBUWmOM4v6y61oaAIcTgAgADRbIA= Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 18:09:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.5.160527 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.65.35.209] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3A0A20568FC7sadikshiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 18:09:08 -0000 --_000_D3A0A20568FC7sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. "Exactly same path", should be made explicit if it's referring to the under= lay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic" will not apply to "R= EQ#3: centralized controller". I think "SHOULD" should be treated as a "MUST" if the reference is within t= he document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the "localization" maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have a "= MAY" requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 - REQ#25 refer to "per-segment". A "segment" maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn't there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3A0A20568FC7sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <0C2F24C0473AED42BE12D97790DE4DA6@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

“Exactly same path”, should be made explicit if it’s refe= rring to the underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic&= #8221; will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller&#= 8221;.
I think “SHOULD” should be treated as= a “MUST” if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the “localization” maps to overlay node/link context ? Can= we have a “MAY” requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 — REQ#25 refer to “per-segment”. 
A “segment” maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn’t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

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--_000_D3A0A20568FC7sadikshiciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Jul 6 09:35:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E45212D614 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -115.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-115.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eNT_2GX9_oW3 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0328E12D0EB for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:35:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4194; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467822900; x=1469032500; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: mime-version; bh=xLV6ZFZWpa8csY3NzmlNI0oH+45+6DyXMvg8P0B7lUY=; b=aNn2K3/+0z7kFyCaHcWuNbiAVG8Vhgx6kAHqxgKsTC2Sq7wR7OgvR6Jd Uo29GS4jaqUDyju1qVOvvNvVH6eq8sc0uobxkLd/h938UA/N7QBiW3Rt/ xyb06WRt3mBQzSNt4uxBwS3c92RDj6BbWy2KfifvCugpY1YLvW4nM7Y7d Y=; X-Files: signature.asc : 833 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AsBQDKMn1X/5JdJa1dgz5WfAa5FYF3J?= =?us-ascii?q?IV0AoEqORMBAQEBAQEBZRwLhEwBAQQBdwIFCwIBGQMBAhYZMhsCCAIEDgUODYg?= =?us-ascii?q?NCA68HwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQ4OiB8Igk2EYB4Bgm2CLwWOBIsPA?= =?us-ascii?q?YMugWxuiD4KgWBOhAiIapAJASABM4IDOIE1bgGHcn8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,319,1464652800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="126458231" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 06 Jul 2016 16:34:59 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-015.cisco.com (xch-aln-015.cisco.com [173.36.7.25]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u66GYxc5012844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:35:00 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-013.cisco.com (173.37.102.23) by XCH-ALN-015.cisco.com (173.36.7.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:34:59 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-013.cisco.com ([173.37.102.23]) by XCH-RCD-013.cisco.com ([173.37.102.23]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:34:59 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-00.txt Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHR1yGHpV/N7071yUi9iFfm+i92VA== Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:34:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160706005825.22318.33162.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.115] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2C8ABD58-B3B5-4005-9CD5-31F4061D8C9B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Jen Linkova X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:35:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2C8ABD58-B3B5-4005-9CD5-31F4061D8C9B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At IETF 94, v6ops advised the routing ADs and Routing Working Group that = PA multihoming would not work without a source/destination routing = solution. This draft was developed in response. > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-00.txt > Date: July 5, 2016 at 5:58:25 PM PDT > To: Chris Bowers , Jen Linkova = , "Fred Baker" , "J. Linkova" = >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, = draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Fred Baker and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming > Revision: 00 > Title: Enterprise Multihoming using Provider-Assigned = Addresses without Network Prefix Translation: Requirements and Solution > Document date: 2016-07-05 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 44 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-m= ultihoming-00.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multi= homing/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bowbakova-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihomin= g-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > Connecting an enterprise site to multiple ISPs using provider- > assigned addresses is difficult without the use of some form of > Network Address Translation (NAT). Much has been written on this > topic over the last 10 to 15 years, but it still remains a problem > without a clearly defined or widely implemented solution. Any > multihoming solution without NAT requires hosts at the site to have > addresses from each ISP and to select the egress ISP by selecting a > source address for outgoing packets. It also requires routers at the > site to take into account those source addresses when forwarding > packets out towards the ISPs. >=20 > This document attempts to define a complete solution to this problem. > It covers the behavior of routers to forward traffic taking into > account source address, and it covers the behavior of host to select > appropriate source addresses. It also covers any possible role that > routers might play in providing information to hosts to help them > select appropriate source addresses. In the process of exploring > potential solutions, this documents also makes explicit requirements > for how the solution would be expected to behave from the perspective > of an enterprise site network administrator . >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_2C8ABD58-B3B5-4005-9CD5-31F4061D8C9B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIVAwUBV30zMkayAOS/EQ8MAQKowA/+PyUS7W0xwt7TKyBd3481w495qeNzw6E3 B6UiaO72tLlkwr+sddnVGpmPfl+G17p5zOskz0pHDRfTJTfPYEAnNVi45RphdYKe TMyc4llErTucMQ+Al+ev2DxUThx7Kpfg0u/K3dV03ryu2jZCg45C1s7O/YLM4V4h 2q8b247xB9BrQU5jiZNVnpRMzeRKcRr1wuCSYtXuqDxrYOW5bTzY97xNfsp8eNls vfN0z+W5NyBjFdFmAAEYlpgkn3hLQWzv7pDDlqmgeIdCo5/KUwnMGMQgPJJqN9Vj 8CRc2u5KMghWukNtlYBYV3z6s7K080qncRDi2WN8VfS8LfDCXnVIl7Ukvzyn5kfe vh0EpVkFpbkB4tE/FKK6JSWL5KbRYpIMSu9w5Z8rv4PX4m9B92hZQ0rFhc4LHAbc JrrKIsaNt35ujyM8xwL7HRbuJBfzaAnNL1HPyWRXb7R7qR28EqoE7j0doLqlxwjn cRS3279Fwi1fTk7DSSKbMj4bGS+ekWV0zmAow9kBxgG10K/iYMmTVCaPvNN/X3VQ 19pucyxNe3F3AKmIcr4GoKaBWecbhSlviC6shxQv7lvEDFSDcqrUAQMmIkc/sYfi L9N9odxoTr2PVTA45IGOQtfZmzpQ2KnvKCLZFbx9oEneouodnVi4POiBsvs2UjVf bHm5eF4tNj0= =m+2Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2C8ABD58-B3B5-4005-9CD5-31F4061D8C9B-- From nobody Fri Jul 8 14:46:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7425C12D97B; 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3551076703_1950937089 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear RTGWG, =20 May you be interested in gRPC work =E2=80=93 please pay attention. =20 Thanks to our Google friends - few days ago 2 drafts have been published: draft-talwar-rtgwg-grpc-use-cases draft-kumar-rtgwg-grpc-protocol =20 There will be presentation on the drafts in Berlin. =20 Thanks, Jeff =20 --B_3551076703_1950937089 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Dear RTGWG,

 

May you be interested in gRPC work – please pay attention.=

 

Th= anks to our Google friends - few days ago 2 drafts have been published:=

draft-tal= war-rtgwg-grpc-use-cases

draft-kumar-rtgwg-grpc-protocol

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>There will be presentation = on the drafts in Berlin.

 

Thanks,

Jeff

 

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Dear RTGWG,

 

IETF96 preliminary agenda has been published at https://www.ietf.org/pr= oceedings/96/agenda/agenda-96-rtgwg

Please contact the chairs ASAP if you wan= t a slot, please check whether the slot you might have requested is there an= d time is right.

 

Thanks,

Jeff and Chris

--B_3551089108_1471067841-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 13:39:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16B412D0FA; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:39:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9IBKmSRCyKI0; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x230.google.com (mail-pf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 566D712D0E0; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id c2so39776362pfa.2; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:39:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id:thread-topic :mime-version; bh=WzQKVwygXcDbxPEsL1O1NxVlwukj37VxjSx++kGSagI=; b=FxGFpt0kflnqUUCZ8wfr1R9FL0iAR83AYdCGrVVIo07b4BGRZfZ6mC4KTbYvOiFiiy HWnEnYUjm1jTg2suBy5U8LR9qXobGma0KhymfBuSW4rP0df7akrPXUNYTs0/V3IDjDBP RWq/H2KesbsHIozI+iyRKx2OTIuN9TX9FhHFH3Cm7MluqtdGVy81AYwmjXuTl8kWDYW2 5woobbF5JBC87S004KwYVkbcQAdPk1fnqn7xLot3YZV5a7P1OnGZoyhXjRRntqoANk8t 8OxdIL3D/j61R8vJ8G0LdlwWbLvLGFi4/R0LHwkrxPUSQT7TJEtcrJ4FcfGAVyKJ3KcN OHMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id :thread-topic:mime-version; bh=WzQKVwygXcDbxPEsL1O1NxVlwukj37VxjSx++kGSagI=; b=CHDpTLPZJPH3IOnH+Pc+c8ZFC5CTlhgr9WjXHbgFtJ3neMh4UiHlFnS3ALaQ8N1GY7 y+xj0MzrOnsSR3suKlwXcwFl3jKKjYId7zaYxfnJCF4r1EaiJdhaueNyFKGx9yuibhdn F3HyKqknJqBiip9zwzdyW3fEPiJvf8ZbQJN8ozWj8Zi0pr6YyKc33kTp+gZUJpb03Dzv Y5Zxs73cpGzlppMMsOGasXlShatDAvsSWaeHssv2wLKo05yEeuEDqMhL9HRLuu6C0m8O VFE08wZd/y1ywPxmjIZTkAuIP4Zjbo5WOKP6FLZvomtnN0GPkrBIQeMsfcvvjBCwkmVI KJrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIhE2Q8ZyBHvQ1TCAWFMLXTF6YSXNZXkKGSTLiB1hHVdP0rMJHBi/Uu10000ox2mg== X-Received: by 10.98.71.140 with SMTP id p12mr20920891pfi.93.1468269582755; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.178.81.13] ([192.55.54.60]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n80sm1350961pfi.19.2016.07.11.13.39.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:39:42 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:39:42 -0700 Subject: RTGWG IETF96 agenda has been published From: Jeff Tantsura To: RTGWG Message-ID: Thread-Topic: RTGWG IETF96 agenda has been published Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3551089182_192661626" Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg-chairs X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:39:45 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3551089182_192661626 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear RTGWG, RTGWG IETF96 preliminary agenda has been published at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/agenda/agenda-96-rtgwg Please contact the chairs ASAP if you want a slot, please check whether the slot you might have requested is there and time is right. Thanks, Jeff and Chris --B_3551089182_192661626 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Dear RTGWG,

 

RTGWG IETF96 preliminary agenda has been published at https://www.ietf.= org/proceedings/96/agenda/agenda-96-rtgwg

Please contact the chairs ASAP if y= ou want a slot, please check whether the slot you might have requested is th= ere and time is right.

 

Thanks,

Jeff and Chris

--B_3551089182_192661626-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 16:14:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD49D12D51A; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jP39NL4vu7EC; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9890C12D61B; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 9481BB80A42; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:14:18 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 7916 on Operational Management of Loop-Free Alternates X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20160711231418.9481BB80A42@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:14:23 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7916 Title: Operational Management of Loop-Free Alternates Author: S. Litkowski, Ed., B. Decraene, C. Filsfils, K. Raza, M. Horneffer, P. Sarkar Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: July 2016 Mailbox: stephane.litkowski@orange.com, bruno.decraene@orange.com, cfilsfil@cisco.com, skraza@cisco.com, Martin.Horneffer@telekom.de, pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com Pages: 31 Characters: 62072 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-11.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7916 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7916 Loop-Free Alternates (LFAs), as defined in RFC 5286, constitute an IP Fast Reroute (IP FRR) mechanism enabling traffic protection for IP traffic (and, by extension, MPLS LDP traffic). Following early deployment experiences, this document provides operational feedback on LFAs, highlights some limitations, and proposes a set of refinements to address those limitations. It also proposes required management specifications. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3551120299_1127706893 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear RTGWG, The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 as the working group document. This draft has been present multiple times and no further comments are to be addressed at this moment. Please indicate support or no-support by July 30,, 2016. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. Thanks, Jeff & Chris --B_3551120299_1127706893 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Dear RTGWG,

 

The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt draft-psarkar-rtgw= g-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 as the working group document.<= /p>

 

This draft has been p= resent multiple times and no further comments are to be addressed at this mo= ment.

Please indicate support or no-support by July 30,, 2016.=

 

If you are listed as= a document author or contributor please respond to this email stating of wh= ether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sen= t to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage= until a response has been received from each author and each individual tha= t has contributed to the document.

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Thanks,

Jeff & Chris

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Best=C2=A0Regards,
Pushpasis

On Tuesd= ay, 12 July 2016, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
=

Dear RTGWG,=

=C2=A0

The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt draft-psarkar-= rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 as the working group document.=

= =C2=A0

This draft has been present multiple times and no further comments are= to be addressed at this moment.

Please indicate support or no-suppor= t by July 30,, 2016.

=C2=A0

If you are listed as a document autho= r or contributor please respond to this email stating of whether or not you= are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG = mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a respo= nse has been received from each author and each individual that has contrib= uted to the document.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Jeff & Chris=

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Thanks and Regards, -Pushpasis On Tuesday 12 July 2016 10:51 AM, Pushpasis Sarkar wrote: > Support as author. This draft serves a great guideline for any > developer implementing LFA protection for multi-homed prefixes. > > Best Regards, > Pushpasis > > On Tuesday, 12 July 2016, Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > > Dear RTGWG, > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt > draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 as the working group > document. > > This draft has been present multiple times and no further comments > are to be addressed at this moment. > > Please indicate support or no-support by July 30,, 2016. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of > any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG > mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage > until a response has been received from each author and each > individual that has contributed to the document. > > Thanks, > > Jeff & Chris > --------------050902060503030701060001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jeff,

Also I am not aware of any IPR other than the ones already disclosed.

Thanks and Regards,
-Pushpasis

On Tuesday 12 July 2016 10:51 AM, Pushpasis Sarkar wrote:
Support as author. This draft serves a great guideline for any developer implementing LFA protection for multi-homed prefixes.

Best Regards,
Pushpasis

On Tuesday, 12 July 2016, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear RTGWG,

 

The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 as the working group document.

 

This draft has been present multiple times and no further comments are to be addressed at this moment.

Please indicate support or no-support by July 30,, 2016.

 

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document.

 

Thanks,

Jeff & Chris


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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3551595599_1648199219 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear RTGWG, Due to conflict with netconf there have been significant changes to the agenda, please take a look. Thanks, Jeff and Chris From: Jeff Tantsura Date: Monday, July 11, 2016 at 13:39 To: RTGWG Cc: rtgwg-chairs Subject: RTGWG IETF96 agenda has been published Dear RTGWG, RTGWG IETF96 preliminary agenda has been published at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/agenda/agenda-96-rtgwg Please contact the chairs ASAP if you want a slot, please check whether the slot you might have requested is there and time is right. Thanks, Jeff and Chris --B_3551595599_1648199219 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Dear RTGWG,

 

Due to conflict with netconf there have been significant changes= to the agenda, please take a look.

 

=

Thanks,

Jeff and Chris

From: Jeff Tantsur= a <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, July 11, 2016 at 1= 3:39
To: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: rtgwg-chairs &= lt;rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: RTGWG IETF96 agenda has been= published

 

Dear RTGWG,

 

RTGWG IETF96 prelim= inary agenda has been published at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/agenda/agend= a-96-rtgwg

Please contact the chairs ASAP if you want a slot, please check wh= ether the slot you might have requested is there and time is right.

 =

Thanks,

Jeff and= Chris

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-0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:46:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Request for WG adoption of draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 From: Jeff Tantsura To: RTGWG Message-ID: <6DFABF4C-EF13-425C-BC3B-5F00346A02A6@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: Request for WG adoption of draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3551676390_2141643246" Archived-At: Cc: "draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org" , rtgwg-chairs X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:48:42 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3551676390_2141643246 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit /Chair hat off I am not aware of relevant IPR other than the two disclosures listed at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa Cheers, Jeff From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 7:18 AM To: RTGWG Cc: rtgwg-chairs ; draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org Subject: Request for WG adoption of draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 Dear RTGWG, The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 as the working group document. This draft has been present multiple times and no further comments are to be addressed at this moment. Please indicate support or no-support by July 30,, 2016. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. Thanks, Jeff & Chris --B_3551676390_2141643246 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

/Chair hat off

 

I am not aware of relevant IPR other than the two disclosures= listed at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr= /search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa

&= nbsp;

 

Cheers,

<= span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Jeff

From= : Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.i= etf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 7:18 AM
To:= RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: rtgwg-chairs <rtgwg-chairs@ie= tf.org>; draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org
Subject= : Request for WG adoption of draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-0= 4

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Dear RTGWG,

 

The authors have r= equested the RTGWG to adopt draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04 as = the working group document.

 

This draft has been present multiple times and no f= urther comments are to be addressed at this moment.

Please indicate support or n= o-support by July 30,, 2016.

 

If you are listed as a document author or contribu= tor please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of = any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. T= he document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been rec= eived from each author and each individual that has contributed to the docum= ent.

=  

Thanks,

Jeff & Chris

--B_3551676390_2141643246-- From nobody Mon Jul 18 14:26:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B7F12B049; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:26:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-02.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160718212601.18120.8837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:26:01 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:26:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP) Authors : Xufeng Liu Prateek Sarda Vikram Choudhary Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-02.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2016-07-18 Abstract: This document describes a data model for the Routing Information Protocol (RIP). Both RIP version 2 and RIPng are covered. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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([2001:67c:370:160:6df2:e046:d7b5:36d0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f69sm5698686lji.19.2016.07.19.06.19.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Stewart Bryant Subject: Microloop protection as discussed in today's meeting To: rtgwg@ietf.org Message-ID: <578E28C8.2070200@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:19:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:05:39 -0000 The RFC that had all of the generic methods that were known at the time of publication is RFC5715. The two phase methods were in section 6.2 (near-side) and section 6.3 (far-side). The first describing tunnelling the traffic towards the repair (and continue to use the repair), the second describing tunnelling traffic towards the destination. For the purposes of this discussion source routing of all flavours can be considered a type of tunnel. If this approach is a new genetric two phase method, it would be useful to articulate it in general terms. The type of topology that I was trying to explain in the meeting is as follows A-B-C-D-E-F-H-I-J.....W | | | | +------X-Y-Z----------+ All costs are 1 and Y has failed. Traffic to Z can enter enywhere, and is protected by X. When the network starts to converge ALL the routers A..J will need to update their fib to forward towards Z via W rather than towards X via A. If they do this in a random order as would be the case without LF convergence then you may precipitate microlooping. What you need to do is to force the packets toward either X or Z using a tunnel, or a source routed path, and as far as I can see you need to do that at every point of potential entry into the network, in the above case A..J, else you risk a microloop. Now I suppose that if ALL packets were source routed, then you could consider that the network was constantly in the first phase, but I think that you would need to use strict source routing, rather than loose source routing else it reduces the the problem I describe above. - Stewart From nobody Tue Jul 19 08:12:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9731112D8D6 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eH8Uq3W8rEma for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x243.google.com (mail-lf0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AE2E12D81B for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x243.google.com with SMTP id f93so1515864lfi.0 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:48:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:subject:to:cc:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YuUcCUNapk6MZupkUJoBFG54k7UMYjtogS6BWOGLY6k=; b=MYP2d9GKYEIg1uAUUtuUlJWX9vvOQ6IrLhPVF6dUAI3uRs70XJs4a1AcsMJ91pvSRc FLj1gS9aYASOQXJYpzjCb3M+nUbyZmkhvvfKUigIm+sJSBLGqr5Ej0RAG+Da9kkT80Nt M26f6l8A8d62irdcZg+5BYzv9KDjhBKcFEAABR1kI1g8qpVY5mrNPPqao4s+8+XOT0bw 46rJ7IwPinO5kmjVvAHFktPj7wdlecLHLTOh84eO56ymolfGUltROZSxwKuzHOi5iMba y97Zgyty+EgufQXBIvqULAe8tUXManAMQxsIGlu/3cw7qLCCnJpozsWQWdneLZu5IWcU cEDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:to:cc:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YuUcCUNapk6MZupkUJoBFG54k7UMYjtogS6BWOGLY6k=; b=cRmRlNZni5DsRHw1gG/I4oGgjybDAyCuV7AGTUmanm9YXm6++Uynz5FL4EMjwgDhx1 MS1/2d9hVkmqCItYpahO0jqqL/y0f/HxBrawicQtvlaJFhYTx/No7C/8MgLi5I6U/AD3 R8xdpeHFOasD6LWP7V2405MpoNb9ZVVRmpoqJV2UnWp6AHOkAp8lvSt2ejVwEAduhud4 EKTtE3zXUSFV6OBmqCUxDMvw3xjnupLzDHZNIyb0sBlBX8zkyoiZWEqZbxTXt+4kXWiG ixuNprgiJZWhyzAa4vHLDjVLCZGylUHQ570yH5a/c0riLYRXJ0ZwUI1SY7MRWtZtceW7 AW+w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIV9ms5lePgZnGOFiTcw1BoTggtf+6G3cEleMd/V7ZAN9yBI9c5xglHx/Hmis5JoQ== X-Received: by 10.25.169.147 with SMTP id s141mr16792735lfe.203.1468939712024; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:6df2:e046:d7b5:36d0? ([2001:67c:370:160:6df2:e046:d7b5:36d0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p102sm3999239lfi.9.2016.07.19.07.48.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stewart Bryant Subject: Microloop protection as discussed in today's meeting To: rtgwg@ietf.org Message-ID: <578E3DBD.9030702@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:48:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:12:28 -0000 Appologies if this is a duplicate. The RFC that had all of the generic methods that were known at the time of publication is RFC5715. The two phase methods were in section 6.2 (near-side) and section 6.3 (far-side). The first describing tunnelling the traffic towards the repair (and continue to use the repair), the second describing tunnelling traffic towards the destination. For the purposes of this discussion source routing of all flavours can be considered a type of tunnel. If this approach is a new genetric two phase method, it would be useful to articulate it in general terms. The type of topology that I was trying to explain in the meeting is as follows A-B-C-D-E-F-H-I-J.....W | | | | +------X-Y-Z----------+ All costs are 1 and Y has failed. Traffic to Z can enter enywhere, and is protected by X. When the network starts to converge ALL the routers A..J will need to update their fib to forward towards Z via W rather than towards X via A. If they do this in a random order as would be the case without LF convergence then you may precipitate microlooping. What you need to do is to force the packets toward either X or Z using a tunnel, or a source routed path, and as far as I can see you need to do that at every point of potential entry into the network, in the above case A..J, else you risk a microloop. Now I suppose that if ALL packets were source routed, then you could consider that the network was constantly in the first phase, but I think that you would need to use strict source routing, rather than loose source routing else it reduces the the problem I describe above. - Stewart From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:50:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9578112D0B3 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4RwNzaf_wg1E for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA2D212B037 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6K8o8EH005036 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:50:08 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053A461FA1 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:50:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id vwDjtoOdzE-z; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:50:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (dhcp-9bed.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.155.237]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B6D761FA3; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:50:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: <8760s0bsna.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Making use of SADR at the higher layers User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:50:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 578F3B40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 578F3B40.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 578F3B40.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:50:11 -0000 I have been told that my comments after Jen's talk yesterday were not clear to everyone, so please let me expand on them. My summary of Jen's talk is: With the right network layer mechanisms, IPv6+SADR allows you to do everything you do with IPv4+NAT. I fully agree with that statement (although not necessarily with the exact details of the mechanisms). However, I think a stronger statement stands: With the right network layer mechanisms, IPv6+SADR allows you to do everything you do with IPv4+NAT. You can do even better if you additionally do some work at the higher layers. A way to look at it is that SADR splits the multihoming problem into two simpler problems: routing (done by the network) and selecting among the available paths (done by the end hosts). We've pretty much solved the first problem, the second is an open research project. Jen's approach picks paths at the network layer, which is necessary for SADR-unaware applications. SADR-aware applications, however, can do their own picking, which has the potential to improve the user experience. I am fairly intimately familiar with two examples of such mechanisms that have been fairly widely deployed: MP-TCP and the Vuze ML-DHT plugin for BitTorrent. I'll also say a few words about MP-Mosh, which was implemented by my student Matthieu Boutier but not upstreamed yet. 1. MP-TCP MP-TCP is an IETF standards track extension to TCP that aims to use all available paths for data transfer; it can do both fallback and load-balancing. Making good use of MP-TCP with IPv4+NAT is somewhat involved -- it requires either using multiple interfaces on the host, or doing dirty hacks with "virtual interfaces" and multiple IPv4 leases. In an IPv6+SADR network, MP-TCP works out of the box -- it probes all available source-dest pairs, and performs fallback or load-balancing as necessary. Our experiences with MP-TCP in an IPv6+SADR network are described in Section VII.B of Matthieu Boutier and Juliusz Chroboczek. Source-specific routing. IFIP Networking 2015. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.0445.pdf Don't bother reading, though -- we just say that it works out of the box, way beter than we expected. 2. The Vuze BitTorrent ML-DHT plugin Vuze is one of the major implementations of BitTorrent. Vuze's ML-DHT plugin implements "trackerless torrents" using a DHT. Unlike the other implementations of the BitTorrent DHT, ML-DHT runs an instance of the DHT on every GUA assigned to the local host; the result is that, in an SADR network, the BitTorrent traffic gets load-balanced across all available paths. This work was done by an individual who goes by the nickname The8475, and as far as I know hasn't been written down anywhere. 3. MP-Mosh Mosh is a remote shell implementation due to Keith Winstein (of congestion control fame). Unlike ssh, mosh doesn't transmit a command stream over TCP, but instead uses a synchronisation mechanism that is layered directly over UDP. It has support for client-side roaming, but not server-side roaming. MP-Mosh is a modification to Mosh that uses all available paths simultaneously, with the goal of allowing server-side roaming and double-stack operation, while reducing latency. In an IPv6+SADR network, it will probe all available paths and send traffic over the one with the lowest latency. Our work with MP-Mosh hasn't been published yet, but you will find an early draft on: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.02402.pdf I can thing of other applications that will want to use upper-layer mechanisms to optimise their traffic in IPv6+SADR networks. The obvious candidates are video streaming and video conferencing, and more generally anything where increased throughput, reduced latency, higher reliability are desired and you control both the client and the server. -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:57:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD5112B061 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QpKJSKQU03gZ for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E66F12B037 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:57:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1833; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469005027; x=1470214627; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=q0rAZ1WJcnpbtrOaz8Ac6YlYUkuF538stTkx+OTTm2A=; b=UB7GugTv/72HSFsSHeXJIigtVA6JnlSev6Zl2EZrvHs8X4nJYUaX8kqt ODDPLTu3RT6SdLjLvLAr1iUuIDDgkGqat5Zpt4k6+3QPBVM/ESrL07BOz LxUg+eB9omuuq4CRSsmuXl7LK1mPO8X5o0mSps6J1v0/a4HQjfhltpk1x g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D1AQBtO49X/40NJK1dgz9WfAa4aYF6J?= =?us-ascii?q?IV2AoE1OBQBAQEBAQEBZRwLhF0BBQEBbAkSAgEIRicLGwEGAwIEExuIFQ69QwE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAgEBAQEBAQEBH4YqhE2KGwWOCzmKYgGGEohPgWtOhAuIdJAfAR42g?= =?us-ascii?q?3NuAYZwfwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,393,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="300053691" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 20 Jul 2016 08:57:06 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-012.cisco.com (xch-aln-012.cisco.com [173.36.7.22]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6K8v66T024703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:57:06 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-ALN-012.cisco.com (173.36.7.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:57:05 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:57:05 -0500 From: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: FW: [nvo3] New Version Notification for draft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan-03.txt Thread-Topic: [nvo3] New Version Notification for draft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHRyL7kOgFcU4teX0Kg3UX2hzwev5/unWgAgDMP0gA= Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:57:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160617173711.9656.36621.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.5.160527 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.202.40] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <737B18170164ED46BDEC1BF478437DDF@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:57:09 -0000 Hello All, Circulating this draft in rtgwg for the review and adoption. It has found it=B9s way as one of the gaps, as part of the gap analysis "draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis" done by OOAM DT team in rtgwg. I was also part of the nvo3 OAM DT team for the related discussions. Thanks and Regards, Saumya. On 6/17/16, 11:11 PM, "nvo3 on behalf of Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" wrote: > >A new version of I-D, draft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan-03.txt >has been successfully submitted by Saumya Dikshit and posted to the >IETF repository. > >Name: draft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan >Revision: 03 >Title: PMTUD Over Vxlan >Document date: 2016-06-17 >Group: Individual Submission >Pages: 27 >URL: =20 >https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan-03.t >x >t >Status: =20 >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan/ >Htmlized: =20 >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan-03 >Diff: =20 >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-saum-nvo3-pmtud-over-vxlan-03 > >Abstract: > Path MTU Discovery between hosts/VM/servers/end-points connected over > a Data-Center/Service-Provider Overlay Network, is still an > unattended problem. It needs a converged solution to ensure optimal > usage of network and computational resources for all hooked end-point > devices. > > =20 > =20 > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >The IETF Secretariat > > > >_______________________________________________ >nvo3 mailing list >nvo3@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 From nobody Wed Jul 20 02:04:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D9D12B040 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:04:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TGXaHNc7RXXp for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA4F112B037 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:04:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2956; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469005461; x=1470215061; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C+Gs5hkqgvrAQUoJPjYNz6uz3N4giKYM/AYfmaIumZ8=; b=j6cWbGpR+BsEE5SJtC/nVEi8lHlR6tkh3+rcJ3nHyAqHR9b/bkkyzNAa xeaBZqt73He1x/7fM0SAhTZ4i6ZRvSRzT0LmBXcMbZdIY+JRumzl8lA8v KBQX9r+YBwhmir2CsFwjp4tymSIRM9JB4Jl5XtR50NYHjVZ11LUZbhxq6 o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,393,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="299921463" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 20 Jul 2016 09:04:21 +0000 Received: from [10.61.239.84] ([10.61.239.84]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6K94Kta025841; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:04:20 GMT Message-ID: <578F3E93.3020403@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:04:19 -0700 From: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stewart Bryant , rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: Microloop protection as discussed in today's meeting References: <578E3DBD.9030702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <578E3DBD.9030702@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:04:24 -0000 Stewart, You are stating the most obvious:) For a feature to work, e.g. encapsulating into an RSVP tunnel, the entry point of the packet must be able to support that feature. That is not a problem. That how the entire world works:) SR-based ti-uloop avoidance is no different. So if a packet arrives at node "D" for example, then node "D" must be able to steer the packet such that it guarantees loop-freeness. Once "D" source-routes the packet into the loop-free path towards the destination "Z" , downstream routers from "D" towards "Z" need NOT have the ability to do uloop avoidance or even know that packets was source-routed by node "D" As for the need for using "strict" vs "loose" source routing, that is topology dependent. The same applies for ti-lfa, rLFA, or even directly connected LFA. One last thing, if you think that source routing can reduced to a "tunnel" we might as well shutdown SPRING WG:) Ahmed On 7/19/2016 7:48 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > Appologies if this is a duplicate. > > The RFC that had all of the generic methods that were known at the > time of publication is RFC5715. > > The two phase methods were in section 6.2 (near-side) and section 6.3 > (far-side). The first describing tunnelling the traffic towards the > repair (and continue to use the repair), the second describing > tunnelling traffic towards the destination. For the purposes of this > discussion source routing of all flavours can be considered a type of > tunnel. > > If this approach is a new genetric two phase method, it would be > useful to articulate it in general terms. > > The type of topology that I was trying to explain in the meeting is as > follows > > A-B-C-D-E-F-H-I-J.....W > | | > | | > +------X-Y-Z----------+ > > All costs are 1 and Y has failed. > > Traffic to Z can enter enywhere, and is protected by X. > > When the network starts to converge ALL the routers A..J will need to > update their fib to forward towards Z via W rather than towards X via A. > > If they do this in a random order as would be the case without LF > convergence then you may precipitate microlooping. > > What you need to do is to force the packets toward either X or Z using > a tunnel, or a source routed path, and as far as I can see you need to > do that at every point of potential entry into the network, in the > above case A..J, else you risk a microloop. > > Now I suppose that if ALL packets were source routed, then you could > consider that the network was constantly in the first phase, but I > think that you would need to use strict source routing, rather than > loose source routing else it reduces the the problem I describe above. > > > - Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Wed Jul 20 04:30:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09E312DBE0 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0B4dkibfJkcJ for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32A8512DBD5 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id f65so171704343wmi.0 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:30:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=og0XY0aFqWV7b0JfxWw4GPHqw8/zKOc2zNOV11u8mzE=; b=AfNHbxuoizyHzdoQAwsFcTmI59RcTdzQFR05wdOyu3SWtKKKOjokgnWbqAgVH+xqnM PdrLOe1oJptydlY+FOtdc2LqiVmSt1tqJIbkStnkaDYGjEWZrO59Ycl80wmB94gHxn3v 5NVAFhDyDUQNgbmCEdql20YZfgTwp3NSkthG+e/6e2UMWLtjfx9CSjryGhwDs8HgdwRR T5b8HcCL2ZE4ZcV69TlZ/cTPj/yDsEBqgcwx2xTj4YUdxPFhZPs8bWfLZNcZsZ3VGwSY 70KIUkYaiwSaF+f4TQPNLRjjuiQHronrXQ5Md8+17WPGqdTvHB48zyJqcmwoxif0yjOG qMlg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=og0XY0aFqWV7b0JfxWw4GPHqw8/zKOc2zNOV11u8mzE=; b=GWwPAxxu5mt/49FjGJikt0R99z1qsaPnu2wAcPm3Y8P/9M1wvO02K4yIojrAIVKokA rZbeyYShiKy3xV2y4Sn+Z1lIdfJEI2QSjKHIYZ/Kwg44t0SiYUE2jpClJfp340logVWx 2oPPcyw5Y4vCyYDrBNZkDbxX2YB4Espu0hpPa36ELZeVoQTXI1/5Ck7ep9pl34L4Bs+c /EAPHv6eeC3aX30TQ0yqjfWm8cQPh0yw1rfWXSbsi21Gu4JvjS3p7TVS3qJ9GuzidFE/ rmE2bQiUrpnzURgJyKxO3r2C166hRm5dOO5j3uxlj17IGlOk113I8cJmdX+p80/0bYG4 LULg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJcE3ZIR2MUyn00BYEtYrymQUHo9Ah1Yp93IPj5hgO6HLniPStw+SwRBzIReW4o0g== X-Received: by 10.194.185.38 with SMTP id ez6mr930393wjc.65.1469014204898; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:acc5:f3f9:b7f9:ac6e? ([2001:67c:370:160:acc5:f3f9:b7f9:ac6e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 17sm4681988wmf.6.2016.07.20.04.30.03 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Microloop protection as discussed in today's meeting From: Stewart Bryant X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: <578F3E93.3020403@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:30:03 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <578E3DBD.9030702@gmail.com> <578F3E93.3020403@cisco.com> To: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" Archived-At: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:30:17 -0000 > On 20 Jul 2016, at 10:04, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy) w= rote: >=20 > Stewart, >=20 > You are stating the most obvious:) > For a feature to work, e.g. encapsulating into an RSVP tunnel, the entry p= oint of the packet must be able to support that feature. That is not a probl= em. That how the entire world works:) So are you saying that your scheme only works in an rsvp only network, or in= an SR only network. If so that constraint was not clear to me. If you are saying that this works in an ordinary hop by hop network, then it= needs to be made much clear to the WG that EVERY ingress router needs to ap= ply the loop avoidance two phase strategy. The diagram and presentation you used yesterday used too simple a topology t= o make that clear. >=20 > SR-based ti-uloop avoidance is no different. So if a packet arrives at nod= e "D" for example, then node "D" must be able to steer the packet such that i= t guarantees loop-freeness. > Once "D" source-routes the packet into the loop-free path towards the dest= ination "Z" , downstream routers from "D" towards "Z" need NOT have the abil= ity to do uloop avoidance or even know that packets was source-routed by nod= e "D" >=20 > As for the need for using "strict" vs "loose" source routing, that is topo= logy dependent. The same applies for ti-lfa, rLFA, or even directly connecte= d LFA. >=20 > One last thing, if you think that source routing can reduced to a "tunnel"= we might as well shutdown SPRING WG:) >=20 SR in an mpls network can be viewed as a set of concatenated tunnels. The co= mplexity is all in the naming of the tunnel end points and the control plane= . Stewart > Ahmed >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 7/19/2016 7:48 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >> Appologies if this is a duplicate. >>=20 >> The RFC that had all of the generic methods that were known at the time o= f publication is RFC5715. >>=20 >> The two phase methods were in section 6.2 (near-side) and section 6.3 (fa= r-side). The first describing tunnelling the traffic towards the repair (and= continue to use the repair), the second describing tunnelling traffic towar= ds the destination. For the purposes of this discussion source routing of al= l flavours can be considered a type of tunnel. >>=20 >> If this approach is a new genetric two phase method, it would be useful= to articulate it in general terms. >>=20 >> The type of topology that I was trying to explain in the meeting is as fo= llows >>=20 >> A-B-C-D-E-F-H-I-J.....W >> | | >> | | >> +------X-Y-Z----------+ >>=20 >> All costs are 1 and Y has failed. >>=20 >> Traffic to Z can enter enywhere, and is protected by X. >>=20 >> When the network starts to converge ALL the routers A..J will need to upd= ate their fib to forward towards Z via W rather than towards X via A. >>=20 >> If they do this in a random order as would be the case without LF converg= ence then you may precipitate microlooping. >>=20 >> What you need to do is to force the packets toward either X or Z using a t= unnel, or a source routed path, and as far as I can see you need to do that a= t every point of potential entry into the network, in the above case A..J, e= lse you risk a microloop. >>=20 >> Now I suppose that if ALL packets were source routed, then you could cons= ider that the network was constantly in the first phase, but I think that yo= u would need to use strict source routing, rather than loose source routing e= lse it reduces the the problem I describe above. >>=20 >>=20 >> - Stewart >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> rtgwg mailing list >> rtgwg@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 06:03:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B9212D5F0; 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boundary="_000_D3B540DB6B713sadikshiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:03:26 -0000 --_000_D3B540DB6B713sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly support the= OAM PDU semantics. * apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this in= formation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on= a per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If = It=92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the= request. This is will reduce the number of probes which need to be send to= perform the OAM functions. * It will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_= Set to them. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it = will help to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other sem= antics. Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding funct= ion-set In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they find = a place in existing document. I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. Thanks Saumya. From: nvo3 > on behalf = of sadikshi > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 PM To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org<= mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. =93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic=94 will not apply to = "REQ#3: centralized controller=94. I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MUST=94 if the reference is = within the document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn=92t there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3B540DB6B713sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts

Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly suppor= t the OAM PDU semantics. 
  • apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this info= rmation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on a= per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If It= =92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the request. This is will reduce the numb= er of probes which need to be send to perform the OAM functions.
  • It= will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_Set to t= hem. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it will hel= p to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other semantics. = Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding function-set
In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they = find a place in existing document.
I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. 

Thanks
Saumya.

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi &l= t;sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 = PM
To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (na= ikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com<= /a>>, Gregory Mirsky <= gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.=

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

=93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic= =94 will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller= =94.
I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MU= ST=94 if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. 
A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn=92t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_D3B540DB6B713sadikshiciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:17:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADB112DAA2; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U8gloDUQ65TT; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22c.google.com (mail-qk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A885812DA7B; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id p74so73110568qka.0; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xfruZXsN/G5klrs3gRo/e8sKeMv+RLGU9Lv57AxYg5M=; b=tizJMpZvJ1qJVorhnN5aBe/IpxGy7Fg9khVq3vVVOFl9kv3CqjzaLp20xscbOjhfeg u+vQXss0lUzfqx7VQ/tKnPvdGj4HoAJHhysq1KBxtNmOV294zQyG8VA8N3xuKNJRrhTs r9Ta6X2LgjY8MckfDp9XE7XB3XTkhp8eCsYSPOpTX5Q+g1gKHSN7Aejxu/0bBZNRrrq5 sI258tLmMIw0AyW/ElfcAlMi6o8noKtvOnxt/lRder5gyWjbbnwqnfhQTWw6TPAeuI+1 OqcX6uFhjmupp4FGBez1KvMww3HclNamQwTgvBG/fj0p905A7WqVJJ5+VSuCMGpkSAKr kpMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xfruZXsN/G5klrs3gRo/e8sKeMv+RLGU9Lv57AxYg5M=; b=h9I3pHSdrO/jX+JpjVp5FvO9cU/1ha6RFI99YtPP1s3l/rDSmMCmxW0jaR4Qk8ptiR ulBJpvskhuzhUlFEnoXdL6BkYnMjxFOcVHR4+7M4xN4BfSHLRlyEX6cqVGhllBdWLb4T DGW8JjCRtDHlmMxCFrddBSD9l4QlqnrAR3PT2txh083Ov2h1L2WJqxykdzpup94wElCp asUhuazx3hpUU4CNCWydm2VSzlQ3g2UdStLRblRQuoQ5VXYv3oWXMHZt/wA/vkErScrn aF6CDG/MLYYO/ZlVmS8mUF4vvpA09/rAV4tYkC3dCjKK2yHDeEDo2Kzafm/Q3nKm3VXK /H/A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKtGZdFC/BXIIbDvud7WET/P+jGTfAlLzUGJWOEDOKgwaeeomVUjtgvyvi5OLu6M3Qr+sDSca+SLkEtPg== X-Received: by 10.55.76.201 with SMTP id z192mr69702972qka.182.1469107017736; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:16:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:16:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Alia Atlas Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Closing Routing Area Overlay OAM Design Team To: "routing-discussion@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a8498ede837053825214a Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:17:06 -0000 --001a114a8498ede837053825214a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Dec 16, 2015, I chartered an Overlay OAM Design Team ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/routing-discussion/ZQYpinvWWdjdLrC-gAtnqat_vSU ) to investigate solutions for common OAM for multiple overlays and encapsulations, with a focus on the work from NVO3, SFC, and BIER. The design team has produced a number of different drafts about possibilities in this space. draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis-02 draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement-01 draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-header-00 draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-demand-cc-cv-00 There are still open questions around cross-layer correlations and other innovations in OAM. There is a need to more contributions, review and discussion. In addition, there is now sufficient interest that I believe it is better to close the design team and open up its mailing list to participation. As of today, the DT is closed. To join the non-WG mailing list that the DT has previously used, please use: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-ooam-d tI have and will be continuing to active discuss how and where related work should be managed. I would like to thank the Design Team: Greg Mirsky (DT lead) Ignas Bagdonas Erik Nordmark Carlos Pignataro Mach Chen Santosh Pallagatti Deepak Kumarde David Mozes Nagendra Kumar Nainar I would particularly like to thank Greg Mirsky who has lead the DT. Thank you also to all those who have actively participated, provided reviews and thoughts. Thank you, Alia --001a114a8498ede837053825214a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Dec 16, 2015, I chartered an Overlay OAM Design = Team (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/routing-d= iscussion/ZQYpinvWWdjdLrC-gAtnqat_vSU ) to investigate solutions for co= mmon OAM for multiple overlays and encapsulations, with a focus on the work= from NVO3, SFC, and BIER.

The design team has= produced a number of different drafts about possibilities in this space.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis-02
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement-01
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ooamdt-rtgw= g-ooam-header-00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-dema= nd-cc-cv-00

There are still open questions around cross-layer corre= lations and other innovations in OAM.
There is a need to more contributi= ons, review and discussion. =C2=A0
In addition, there is now sufficient = interest that I believe it is better to close the design team and open up i= ts mailing list to participation.=C2=A0 As of today, the DT is closed.
<= br>To join the non-WG mailing list that the DT has previously used, please = use:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-ooam-d

tI have and will be conti= nuing to active discuss how and where related work should be managed.
I would like to thank the Design Team:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg Mirsky (DT = lead)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ignas Bagdonas
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik Nordmark
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Carlos Pignataro
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mach Chen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sant= osh Pallagatti
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Deepak Kumarde
=C2=A0 =C2=A0David Mozes=C2=A0 =C2=A0Nagendra Kumar Nainar

I would particularly like to th= ank Greg Mirsky who has lead the DT.
Thank you also to all those who hav= e actively participated, provided reviews and thoughts.

Thank you,Alia
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Hi Sam,

 

Looking at the Etherpad notes for Tuesday’s se= ssion in GRPC there is the following Q&A exchange:

Alia: how yang push could interwork from model perspective. 

Sam: YANG is not the only thing that we are looking at, there are other mo= delling approaches available. 

 

Based on the NETCONF WG’s adoption of RFC-5277= bis on Wednesday, a simplified yang push subscription model can now be appl= ied to event streams of non-YANG data.

 

If you guys want to work though how we might merge t= his with GRPC transport, let me know.  Some pretty cool capabilities c= ould result.

 

Thanks,

Eric

 

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We = should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol without add= ing details of VNI, etc. Thanks, Deepak From: Rtg-ooam-dt > on behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" > Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6:03 AM To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" >, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.or= g" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly support the= OAM PDU semantics. * apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this in= formation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on= a per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If = It=92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the= request. This is will reduce the number of probes which need to be send to= perform the OAM functions. * It will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_= Set to them. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it = will help to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other sem= antics. Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding funct= ion-set In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they find = a place in existing document. I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. Thanks Saumya. From: nvo3 > on behalf = of sadikshi > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 PM To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org<= mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. =93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic=94 will not apply to = "REQ#3: centralized controller=94. I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MUST=94 if the reference is = within the document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn=92t there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3B6922519326dekumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <1CC615140F76794E8D7C97E639AE7884@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible= . We should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol withou= t adding details of VNI, etc.

Thanks,
Deepak

From: Rtg-ooam-dt <rtg-ooam-dt-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" <sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6= :03 AM
To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)= " <sadikshi@cisco.com>= , "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts

Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly suppor= t the OAM PDU semantics. 
  • apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this info= rmation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on a= per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If It= =92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the request. This is will reduce the numb= er of probes which need to be send to perform the OAM functions.
  • It= will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_Set to t= hem. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it will hel= p to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other semantics. = Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding function-set
In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they = find a place in existing document.
I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. 

Thanks
Saumya.

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi &l= t;sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 = PM
To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (na= ikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com<= /a>>, Gregory Mirsky <= gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.=

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

=93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic= =94 will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller= =94.
I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MU= ST=94 if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. 
A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn=92t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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Hi Eric,

Thanks for reaching out.=C2=A0=
We could continue the conversation and work towards getting the = IETF community benefit from the operators point of view, like we are doing = with OpenConfig.

cheers
-sam
<= br>

On= Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Sam,

=C2=A0

Looking at the Etherpad notes for Tuesday=E2=80=99s = session in GRPC there is the following Q&A exchange:

Alia: how yang push could interwork from model perspective.=C2=A0

Sam: YANG is not the only thing that we are looking at, there are other mo= delling approaches available.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Based on the NETCONF WG=E2=80=99s adoption of RFC-52= 77bis on Wednesday, a simplified yang push subscription model can now be ap= plied to event streams of non-YANG data.

=C2=A0

If you guys want to work though how we might merge t= his with GRPC transport, let me know.=C2=A0 Some pretty cool capabilities c= ould result.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

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--001a113ab81a5ddec105382c96ec-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 15:44:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B1512D89B; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:44:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8m3_PQ4BJ5X5; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7047312D0C4; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=33409; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469141067; x=1470350667; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=Jbm1YNlotzbh7FbLW1qcwhfz0GvM3+EASSa/QUWAKfY=; b=SRwWGgRc+w3CwaVzhso7ca/Ccz4xmi+AsZQBF1cYgast5qI0CpnpgFcT 0YlFrUh2I7wXV2EWURZ+xJlUotpPkXhGX/zhsLbOQK/N3SIaP6JdE19LJ +lpG4opXPFdem5oBbVHoiSaeknIR5KkM9Eb6sQZyo7RG4OUEnILzoiOj0 o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BAAgAIUJFX/4QNJK1dgnFOVnwGtkeCD?= =?us-ascii?q?4F7I4V5AoEuOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEXAEBBS06EhACAQgRAwECIQEGBzIUCQgCBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?NBYgwDr0CAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBFwWGKoRNhBIRASoSGIUjBZNkh?= =?us-ascii?q?UIBhhWIVYFshFmIdZAgAR42gj6BNW6GSDZ/AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,401,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="131411177" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Jul 2016 22:44:01 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (xch-aln-011.cisco.com [173.36.7.21]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6LMi17f030311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:44:01 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (173.36.7.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:44:00 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:44:00 -0500 From: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" To: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)" , "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" , Gregory Mirsky , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" , "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Topic: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Index: AQHR4ocViWBwwTTmV0mY2c9hkRwUbKAjx0CAgAArxgA= Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:44:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.5.160527 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.228.216] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3B71C496BA4Csadikshiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:44:31 -0000 --_000_D3B71C496BA4Csadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Deepak. I think we should also new define TLVs in draft-ooamdt-rtgwg= -ooam-header or any alternative publication addressing the requirement. From: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)" = > Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:07 AM To: sadikshi >, "Nagendra Kum= ar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Greg= ory Mirsky = >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi, Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible. We = should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol without add= ing details of VNI, etc. Thanks, Deepak From: Rtg-ooam-dt > on behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" > Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6:03 AM To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" >, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.or= g" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly support the= OAM PDU semantics. * apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this in= formation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on= a per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If = It=92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the= request. This is will reduce the number of probes which need to be send to= perform the OAM functions. * It will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_= Set to them. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it = will help to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other sem= antics. Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding funct= ion-set In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they find = a place in existing document. I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. Thanks Saumya. From: nvo3 > on behalf = of sadikshi > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 PM To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org<= mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. =93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic=94 will not apply to = "REQ#3: centralized controller=94. I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MUST=94 if the reference is = within the document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn=92t there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3B71C496BA4Csadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Deepak. I think we should also new define TLVs in draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-header<= /span> or any alternative publication addressing the requirement.

From: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)&= quot; <dekumar@cisco.com> Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:0= 7 AM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar= (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.= com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi,

Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible= . We should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol withou= t adding details of VNI, etc.

Thanks,
Deepak

From: Rtg-ooam-dt <rtg-ooam-dt-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" <sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6= :03 AM
To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)= " <sadikshi@cisco.com>= , "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts

Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly suppor= t the OAM PDU semantics. 
  • apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this info= rmation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on a= per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If It= =92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the request. This is will reduce the numb= er of probes which need to be send to perform the OAM functions.
  • It= will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_Set to t= hem. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it will hel= p to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other semantics. = Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding function-set
In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they = find a place in existing document.
I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. 

Thanks
Saumya.

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi &l= t;sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 = PM
To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (na= ikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com<= /a>>, Gregory Mirsky <= gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.=

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

=93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic= =94 will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller= =94.
I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MU= ST=94 if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. 
A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn=92t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3BF0C676C0F3sadikshiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 23:13:19 -0000 --_000_D3BF0C676C0F3sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Authors, Please do know your views on having these requirements as part of the docum= ent, as deepak also mentioned in the below format. Thanks Saumya. From: rtgwg > on beha= lf of sadikshi > Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:44 AM To: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)" >,= "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Thanks Deepak. I think we should also new define TLVs in draft-ooamdt-rtgwg= -ooam-header or any alternative publication addressing the requirement. From: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)" = > Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:07 AM To: sadikshi >, "Nagendra Kum= ar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Greg= ory Mirsky = >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi, Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible. We = should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol without add= ing details of VNI, etc. Thanks, Deepak From: Rtg-ooam-dt > on behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" > Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6:03 AM To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" >, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.or= g" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly support the= OAM PDU semantics. * apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this in= formation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on= a per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If = It=92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the= request. This is will reduce the number of probes which need to be send to= perform the OAM functions. * It will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_= Set to them. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it = will help to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other sem= antics. Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding funct= ion-set In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they find = a place in existing document. I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. Thanks Saumya. From: nvo3 > on behalf = of sadikshi > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 PM To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org<= mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. =93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic=94 will not apply to = "REQ#3: centralized controller=94. I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MUST=94 if the reference is = within the document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn=92t there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3BF0C676C0F3sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Authors,

Please do know your views on having these requirements as part of the = document, as deepak also mentioned in the below format.

Thanks
Saumya.

From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi= <sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:4= 4 AM
To: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)&qu= ot; <dekumar@cisco.com>, &qu= ot;Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Thanks Deepak. I think we should also new define TLVs in draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-header<= /span> or any alternative publication addressing the requirement.

From: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)&= quot; <dekumar@cisco.com> Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:0= 7 AM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar= (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.= com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi,

Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible= . We should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol withou= t adding details of VNI, etc.

Thanks,
Deepak

From: Rtg-ooam-dt <rtg-ooam-dt-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" <sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6= :03 AM
To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)= " <sadikshi@cisco.com>= , "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts

Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly suppor= t the OAM PDU semantics. 
  • apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this info= rmation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on a= per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If It= =92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the request. This is will reduce the numb= er of probes which need to be send to perform the OAM functions.
  • It= will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_Set to t= hem. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it will hel= p to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other semantics. = Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding function-set
In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they = find a place in existing document.
I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. 

Thanks
Saumya.

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi &l= t;sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 = PM
To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (na= ikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com<= /a>>, Gregory Mirsky <= gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.=

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

=93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic= =94 will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller= =94.
I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MU= ST=94 if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. 
A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn=92t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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