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Mon, 01 May 2017 23:49:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.43.33 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2017 23:49:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Henning Rogge Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 08:49:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp To: Xufeng Liu Cc: Jonathan Hardwick , Athanasios Kyparlis , "parikhr@vmware.com" , "zhangmingui@huawei.com" , Routing WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 06:52:48 -0000 Hi, yes I think the new changes improve the draft and make it easier to understand. I wonder if there is a way in YANG to prevent the duplication of all the fields between "interface" and "interface-state"... putting the common fields into a section of their own and refer to them twice, once as "read only" and once "read-writeable". Henning Rogge On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Xufeng Liu wrote: > Hi Henning, > > Please review if the attached change proposal is ok. > Thanks, > - Xufeng > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Xufeng Liu >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:18 AM >> To: 'Henning Rogge' >> Cc: Jonathan Hardwick ; Athanasios >> Kyparlis ; parikhr@vmware.com; >> zhangmingui@huawei.com; Routing WG >> Subject: RE: Routing directorate QA review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp >> >> Hi Henning, >> >> Yes. We will add some explanations. >> Thanks, >> - Xufeng >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Henning Rogge [mailto:hrogge@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:50 AM >> > To: Xufeng Liu >> > Cc: Jonathan Hardwick ; Athanasios >> > Kyparlis ; parikhr@vmware.com; >> > zhangmingui@huawei.com; Routing WG >> > Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of >> > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Xufeng Liu wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Henning, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thank you much for the review. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > You are right about the mapping for "address of the virtual router". >> > > The >> > existing YANG data model for configuring and managing IP addresses is >> > RFC7277, which augments the ietf-interfaces model specified by >> > RFC7223. This VRRP model follows the same paradigm. Such a structure >> > is also VRRP protocols are usually implemented. >> > >> > Maybe the naming of the variables or the explanation of them could be >> > improved to explicitly state this. >> > >> > Henning >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > We will fix the error in Appendix A. in the next revision. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > - Xufeng >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > From: Henning Rogge [mailto:hrogge@gmail.com] >> > > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:41 AM >> > > To: Jonathan Hardwick ; Xufeng Liu >> > > ; Athanasios Kyparlis >> > > ; parikhr@vmware.com; >> > > zhangmingui@huawei.com >> > > Cc: Routing WG >> > > Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of >> > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Jonathan Hardwick asked me to do an early review of the >> > > draft-ietf-rtgwg- >> > yang-vrrp document (currently revision 02) for the routing directorate. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > The draft itself is pretty straight forward and compact, especially >> > > when you >> > consider that a lot of text has to be repeated two or four times >> > (IPv4/IPv6, config vs. read-only state). >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > But I had quite a bit of trouble mapping the phrases from the new >> > > draft-ietf- >> > rtgwg-yang-vrrp-02 document to the existing VRRP documents (e.g. RFC5798). >> > This might come from my unfamilarity with VRRP. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > The draft YANG model allows to read (if:interfaces-state) and >> > > configure >> > (if:interfaces) virtual IP addresses, but this does not seem to be a >> > common phrase from the RFCs. Is it the same as "address of the virtual >> > router" often mentioned in RFC5798? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > In addition to this, I found (I think) a typo or inconsistency in Appendix A: >> > > >> > > the ascii art says "eth0" but tree says "eth1". >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Henning Rogge >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Jonathan Hardwick >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Henning >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Please would you do a routing directorate early review of this >> > > draft? Would >> > you be able to do it in 2 to 3 weeks? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Many thanks >> > > >> > > Jon >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Please would you do a routing directorate QA review of this draft? >> > > >> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > The draft is still in the RTGWG and is ready for WG last call. The >> > > WG chairs >> > have asked for a QA review from the directorate. The following link >> > provides guidance on QA reviews. >> > > >> > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/rtg/wiki/RtgDirDocQa >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > From nobody Tue May 2 02:05:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0380129526; Tue, 2 May 2017 02:04:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-05.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149371589367.9880.3301539128221028157@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 02:04:53 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 09:04:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : SPF Back-off algorithm for link state IGPs Authors : Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Hannes Gredler Acee Lindem Pierre Francois Chris Bowers Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-05.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2017-05-02 Abstract: This document defines a standard algorithm to back-off link-state IGP SPF computations. Having one standard algorithm improves interoperability by reducing the probability and/or duration of transient forwarding loops during the IGP convergence when the IGP reacts to multiple temporally close IGP events. 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Vainshtein , "Jonathan Hardwick (Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com)" , rtg-ads@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f837eec9efa054e87e042 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 10:24:24 -0000 --001a113f837eec9efa054e87e042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruno, Lots of thanks for a prompt response. I have looked up the -05 version, and it addresses all concerns I've raised in my review. Regards, Sasha On May 2, 2017 12:09, wrote: > Hi Sasha, > > > > Many thanks for your careful review. > > Your comments have been constructive, useful and helped clarifying the > draft. Thanks for this. > > > > We have updated the draft as per your comments. We believe that -05 > address all your comments. If it does not, please comment back. > > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-05 > > Diff: https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg- > backoff-algo-05.txt > > > > > > --Bruno, on behalf of all authors. > > > > *From:* rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alexande= r > Vainshtein > *Sent:* Thursday, April 27, 2017 2:25 PM > *To:* jefftant.ietf@gmail.com; chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com > *Cc:* rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo@ietf.org; > rtg-ads@ietf.org; vainshtein.alex@gmail.com; Jonathan Hardwick ( > Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com); rtgwg@ietf.org > *Subject:* [RTG-DIR] Early RTG-DIR review of > draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-04 > > > > Hello, > > > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate as an early reviewer for > this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or > routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG revie= w, > and sometimes on special request. In this case an early review has been > requested by Jeff Tantsura =E2=80=93 one of the co-chairs of the RTGWG. > > The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. > For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see =E2=80=8B > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > > > *Document*: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-04 > > *Reviewer*: Alexander (=E2=80=9CSasha=E2=80=9D) Vainshtein > > *Review Date*: 27-Apr-17 > > *IETF LC End Date*: N/A > > *Intended Status*: Standards Track > > > > *Summary*: > > I have some minor concerns about this document that, from my POV, should > be resolved before publication. > > > > *Comments*: > > The draft is very well written, and, with one notable exception, easy to > understand. > > It represents an attempt to standardize one aspect of behavior of > link-state routing protocols: delay between the first IGP event that > triggers new SPF computation and the SPF calculation. Until now, this bee= n > left for the implementers to play with freely. The resulting differences > have been known for quite some time to result in some case in transient > micro-loops. > > > > The resolution proposed in this draft includes a well-defined FSM and a > full set of tunable parameters (timers) used in this FSM. > > The range and granularity of all the tunable parameters are explicitly > defined in the document so that the operator would be able to tune its > network to use exactly the same SPF delay algorithm with exactly the same > parameters. (The default values are not defined because one size does not > fit all in this case). > > > > It should be noticed that the draft does not intend to provide a > comprehensive solution of the micro-loop problems. > > Rather, it provides a common baseline upon which specific solutions for > these problems can be built (e.g., see draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay > > ). > > > > *Major Issues*: None found. > > > > *Minor Issues*: > > 1. The exception to good readability of the draft refers to the > term =E2=80=9C*proximate* failures/IGP events=E2=80=9D that appears 4 tim= es in the draft. > English is not my mother tongue, and the reference > I=E2=80=99ve looked= up did > not help much. =E2=80=9CTemporally close=E2=80=9D (or something along the= se lines) looks > like a suitable alternative. (Does this comment run strictly against the > recommendation for the RTG-DIR reviewers =E2=80=9Cto avoid raising esoter= ic > questions of English usage=E2=80=9D?) > > 2. Section 5 mentions starting the SPF_TIMER (with one of the 3 > values defined for it) as part of the response to some FSM events if it w= as > not already running - but *it does not specify what happens when this > timer expires*. I assume that its expiration leaves the FSM in its > current state and results in running the SPF computation =E2=80=93 if thi= s is > correct, it would be nice to say that explicitly. > > 3. Section 7 recommends that, in order to mitigate micro-loop > problems using the proposed algorithm, =E2=80=9Call routers in the IGP do= main, or > at least all the routers in the same area/level, have exactly the same > configured values=E2=80=9D of the relevant timers . However, the draft d= oes not > specify whether these timers should be configured just at the protocol > instance level or also at the level of each specific area/level. From my > POV, the *granularity of configuration* should be defined in this draft = =E2=80=93 > one way or another. > > 4. The latest versions of the YANG data model drafts for IS-IS and > OSPF already define the timers introduced in this draft. But *there are > no references to these drafts in the document*. From my POV such > references (Informational and therefore non-blocking) would be useful for > the readers, and I suggest to add them. > > 5. I have some concerns regarding *incremental introduction and > activation of the proposed algorithm*. The operator that runs a > well-tuned network may experience transient problems when some of its > routers are already upgraded and use the proposed back-off algorithm whil= e > some others still cannot do that. Some text explaining potential issues i= n > this scenario and, if possible, their mitigation, would be most helpful. > > 6. The explanatory text in the draft seems to strongly suggest > that *SPF_INITIAL_DELAY <=3D SPF_SHORT_DELAY <=3D SPF_LONG_DELAY *=E2= =80=93 but > this is not formalized as a requirement anywhere in the text. From my POV > satisfying this relationship should be RECOMMENDED to the operators. > > > > *NITS*: > > 1. Section 3 lists 3 possible values for the SPF_DELAY variable > called INITIAL_SPF_DELAY, SHORT SPF_DELAY and LONG_SPF_DELAY. Then, in th= e > last para, it refers to *a previously undefined value, INITIAL_WAIT*. > This is an obvious typo and should be replaced with INITIAL_SPF_DELAY > > 2. One of the parameters of the algorithm is called > *HOLD_DOWN_INTERVAL* (in Section 3 and Section 6) vs. *HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL= * > in Section 5. This also looks like an obvious typo, and the same name > should be used across the document. > > > > I have discussed my concerns about the draft with the authors who have > been most cooperative. > > I believe that we have reached an agreement on acceptable resolution of > all concerns listed above. > > > > Regards, > > Sasha > > > > Office: +972-39266302 <+972%203-926-6302> > > Cell: +972-549266302 <+972%2054-926-6302> > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains > information which is > CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Bruno,
Lots of thanks for a prompt respo= nse.
I have looked up the -05 version, and it addres= ses all concerns I've raised in my review.

<= /div>
Regards,
Sasha

On May 2, 2017 12:09= , <bruno.decraene@orange.c= om> wrote:

Hi Sash= a,

= =C2=A0

Many th= anks for your careful review.

Your co= mments have been constructive, useful and helped clarifying the draft. Than= ks for this.

= =C2=A0

We have= updated the draft as per your comments. We believe that -05 address all yo= ur comments. If it does not, please comment back.

Draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-05<= u>

Diff: <= a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-al= go-05.txt" target=3D"_blank"> https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-al= go-05.txt

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

--Bruno= , on behalf of all authors.

= =C2=A0

From: rtg-dir = [mailto:rtg-d= ir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Vainshtein
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 2:25 PM
To: jef= ftant.ietf@gmail.com; chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: rtg-dir@ie= tf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo@ietf.org; rtg-ads@ietf.org; vainshtein.alex@gmail.co= m; Jonathan Hardwick (Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com); rtgwg@ietf.org
Subject: [RTG-DIR] Early RTG-DIR review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-= algo-04

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

I have been selected as the Rou= ting Directorate as an early reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directora= te seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass throu= gh IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. In this case an early review has been reques= ted by Jeff Tantsura =E2=80=93 one of the co-chairs of the RTGWG.=

The purpose of the review is to= provide assistance to the Routing ADs.=C2=A0=C2=A0 For more information ab= out the Routing Directorate, please see =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.= ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

=C2=A0

Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-04

Reviewer: Alexander (=E2=80=9CSasha=E2=80=9D) Vainshtein

Review Date: 27-Apr-17

IETF LC End Date<= span lang=3D"EN-US">: N/A

Intended Status: Standards Track

=C2=A0

Summary:

I have some minor concerns abou= t this document that, from my POV, should be resolved before publication.

=C2=A0

Comments:

The draft is very well written,= and, with one notable exception, easy to understand.<= /p>

It represents an attempt to sta= ndardize one aspect of behavior of link-state routing protocols: delay betw= een the first IGP event that triggers new SPF computation and the SPF calcu= lation. Until now, this been left for the implementers to play with freely. The resulting differences have been = known for quite some time to result in some case in transient micro-loops. = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

The resolution proposed in this= draft includes a well-defined FSM and a full set of tunable parameters (ti= mers) used in this FSM.

The range and granularity of al= l the tunable parameters are explicitly defined in the document so that the= operator would be able to tune its network to use exactly the same SPF del= ay algorithm with exactly the same parameters. (The default values are not defined because one size does not fit all in t= his case).

=C2=A0

It should be noticed that the d= raft does not intend to provide a comprehensive solution of the micro-loop = problems.=C2=A0

Rather, it provides a common ba= seline upon which specific solutions for these problems can be built (e.g.,= see draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay).

=C2=A0

Major Issues: None found.

=C2=A0

Minor Issues:

1.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The exception to good readability of the draft = refers to the term =E2=80=9Cproximate failures/IGP events=E2= =80=9D that appears 4 times in the draft. English is not my mother tongue, = and the reference I=E2=80=99ve looked up did not help much. =E2=80=9CTem= porally close=E2=80=9D (or something along these lines) looks like a suitab= le alternative. (Does this comment run strictly against the recommendation = for the RTG-DIR reviewers =E2=80=9Cto avoid raising esoteric questions of Engl= ish usage=E2=80=9D?)

2.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 5 mentions starting the SPF_TIMER (with= one of the 3 values defined for it) as part of the response to some FSM ev= ents if it was not already running -=C2=A0 but it does not specify what happens when this timer expires. I a= ssume that its expiration leaves the FSM in its current state and results i= n running the SPF computation =E2=80=93 if this is correct, it would be nic= e to say that explicitly.

3.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 7 recommends that,=C2=A0 in order to mi= tigate micro-loop problems using the proposed algorithm, =E2=80=9Call route= rs in the IGP domain, or at least all the routers in the same area/level, h= ave exactly the same configured=C2=A0 values=E2=80=9D of the relevant timers . However, the draft does not specify whether these timers= should be configured just at the protocol instance level or also at the le= vel of each specific area/level. From my POV, the granularity of configuration should be defined in this draft = =E2=80=93 one way or another.

4.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The latest versions of the YANG data model draf= ts for IS-IS and OSPF already define the timers introduced in this draft. B= ut there are no references to these drafts in the document. From= my POV such references (Informational and therefore non-blocking) would be= useful for the readers, and I suggest to add them.

5.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have some concerns regarding incrementa= l introduction and activation of the proposed algorithm. The operat= or that runs a well-tuned network may experience transient problems when so= me of its routers are already upgraded and use the proposed back-off algorithm while some others still cannot do = that. Some text explaining potential issues in this scenario and, if possib= le, their mitigation, would be most helpful.

6.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The explanatory text in the draft seems to stro= ngly suggest that=C2=A0 =E2=80=93=C2=A0 but this is not formalized = as a requirement anywhere in the text. From my POV satisfying this relation= ship should be RECOMMENDED to the operators.

=C2=A0

NITS:

1.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 3 lists 3 possible values for the SPF_D= ELAY variable called INITIAL_SPF_DELAY, SHORT SPF_DELAY and LONG_SPF_DELAY.= Then, in the last para, it refers to a previously undefined value, INITIAL_WAIT. This is an obviou= s typo and should be replaced with INITIAL_SPF_DELAY

2.<= /span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 One of the parameters of the algorithm is calle= d HOLD_DOWN_INTERVAL (in Section 3 and Section 6)=C2=A0 vs. HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL in Section 5. This also looks like an obvious typo= , and the same name should be used across the document.

=C2=A0

I have discussed my concerns ab= out the draft with the authors who have been most cooperative.

I believe that we have reached = an agreement on acceptable resolution of all concerns listed above.<= u>

=C2=A0

Regards,

Sasha

=C2=A0

Office: +972-39266302

Cell:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 +972-549266302

Email:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

=C2=A0


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, i've been selected as the QA reviewer for draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02. I believe the draft is well written and quite easy to understand, I just ha= ve some minor suggestion that might be help improving the readability (most= ly for non subject experts). - Title: the title is not very clear, while the abstract explains = very well in the first sentence what the goal of the draft is, what about c= hanging it into: "A logical organization for network device YANG models" ? - Introduction: You are referencing an individual draft. This coul= d be a block for the draft, but most of all does it make sense to have two = separate drafts (in two different WGs), one to say the value of organizing = YANG models and the other one defining a logical organization for the mode= ls? (maybe too late for such change) - Introduction: this sentence is a bit confusing: " This document refers to two new modules that are expected to be impleme= nted. These models are defined to support the configuration and operation= of network-devices that allow for the partitioning of resources from both= , or either, management and networking perspectives. Two forms of resour= ce partitioning are referenced:" Maybe a modules/models mismatch? You start saying that the = doc refers to two MODULES, then you say that MODELS are defined and the lis= t two FORMS OF RESOURCE PARTITIONING. - Intro: " Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the m= ore explicit tree structure presented in earlier versions of this document = will need to be utilized." If it was described in previous versions of the= document it is no longer available, or ? - Scope: as I got it while reading and as it is confirmed in the d= raft, the scope is "limited" to physical and virtual switches and routers = and not devices operating at the lower layers. Since you say "we consider n= etwork devices that support protocols and functions defined within the IET= F Routing Area" I would expect it to cover also lower layer devices. - Section 2: Section 2 and its subsection are very clear and expla= in well the concepts but it is not clear where the list comes from. It part= ially overlaps with the "overall structure" example above but at least havi= ng all of them in the overall structure plus some others (provided as examp= le and not analyzed in the details with dedicated subsection ) would help. BR Daniele --_000_AM2PR07MB09944F0B3AA9F4B0A3BFC65CF0170AM2PR07MB0994eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

i’ve been selected as the= QA reviewer for draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02.

 

I believe the draft is well wri= tten and quite easy to understand, I just have some minor suggestion that m= ight be help improving the readability (mostly for non subject experts).

 

-  = ;        Title: the title is not= very clear, while the abstract explains very well in the first sentence wh= at the goal of the draft is, what about changing it into: “A logical = organization for network device YANG models” ?

-  = ;        Introduction: You are r= eferencing an individual draft. This could be a block for the draft, but mo= st of all does it make sense to have two separate drafts (in two different = WGs), one to say the value of organizing YANG models  and the other one defining a logical organization for th= e models? (maybe too late for such change)

-  = ;        Introduction: this sent= ence is a bit confusing:

“  This docum= ent refers to two new modules that are expected to be  implemented.&nb= sp; These models are defined to support the configuration  and operati= on of network-devices that allow for the partitioning of  resources from both, or either, management and networking   perspectives.&= nbsp; Two forms of resource partitioning are referenced:”<= /span>

     &= nbsp;          Maybe a modules= /models mismatch? You start saying that the doc refers to two MODULES, then= you say that MODELS are defined and the list two FORMS OF RESOURCE PARTITI= ONING.

-  = ;        Intro: “  &n= bsp; Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit = tree structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to&= nbsp; be utilized.” If it was described in previous versions of the document it is no longer available, or ?

-  = ;        Scope: as I got it whil= e reading and as it is confirmed in the draft, the scope is “limited&= #8221;  to physical and virtual switches and routers and not devices o= perating at the lower layers. Since you say “we consider network devices that support protocols  and functions defined within = the IETF Routing Area” I would expect it to cover also lower layer de= vices.

-  = ;        Section 2: Section 2 an= d its subsection are very clear and explain well the concepts but it is not= clear where the list comes from. It partially overlaps with the “ove= rall structure” example above but at least having all of them in the overall structure plus some others (provided as = example and not analyzed in the details with dedicated subsection ) would h= elp.

 

BR
Daniele 

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resending with the right exploder. BR Daniele From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: mercoled=EC 3 maggio 2017 00:22 To: draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org Cc: (rtg-ads@ietf.org) ; rtgwg@ietf.or= g; Jonathan Hardwick (Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com) ; Yemin (Amy) Subject: QA review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02 Hello, i've been selected as the QA reviewer for draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02. I believe the draft is well written and quite easy to understand, I just ha= ve some minor suggestion that might be help improving the readability (most= ly for non subject experts). - Title: the title is not very clear, while the abstract explains = very well in the first sentence what the goal of the draft is, what about c= hanging it into: "A logical organization for network device YANG models" ? - Introduction: You are referencing an individual draft. This coul= d be a block for the draft, but most of all does it make sense to have two = separate drafts (in two different WGs), one to say the value of organizing = YANG models and the other one defining a logical organization for the mode= ls? (maybe too late for such change) - Introduction: this sentence is a bit confusing: " This document refers to two new modules that are expected to be impleme= nted. These models are defined to support the configuration and operation= of network-devices that allow for the partitioning of resources from both= , or either, management and networking perspectives. Two forms of resour= ce partitioning are referenced:" Maybe a modules/models mismatch? You start saying that the = doc refers to two MODULES, then you say that MODELS are defined and the lis= t two FORMS OF RESOURCE PARTITIONING. - Intro: " Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the m= ore explicit tree structure presented in earlier versions of this document = will need to be utilized." If it was described in previous versions of the= document it is no longer available, or ? - Scope: as I got it while reading and as it is confirmed in the d= raft, the scope is "limited" to physical and virtual switches and routers = and not devices operating at the lower layers. Since you say "we consider n= etwork devices that support protocols and functions defined within the IET= F Routing Area" I would expect it to cover also lower layer devices. - Section 2: Section 2 and its subsection are very clear and expla= in well the concepts but it is not clear where the list comes from. It part= ially overlaps with the "overall structure" example above but at least havi= ng all of them in the overall structure plus some others (provided as examp= le and not analyzed in the details with dedicated subsection ) would help. BR Daniele --_000_AM2PR07MB09946B270FFB0CFC88C2B4FFF0170AM2PR07MB0994eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Resending with the right explod= er.

 

BR
Daniele 

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: mercoled=EC 3 maggio 2017 00:22
To: draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org=
Cc: <rtg-ads@ietf.org> (rtg-ads@ietf.org) <rtg-ads@ietf.org= >; rtgwg@ietf.org; Jonathan Hardwick (Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com) = <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; Yemin (Amy) <amy.yemin@huawei.= com>
Subject: QA review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02

 

Hello,

 

i&= #8217;ve been selected as the QA reviewer for draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model= -02.

 

I = believe the draft is well written and quite easy to understand, I just have= some minor suggestion that might be help improving the readability (mostly= for non subject experts).

 

-=    &n= bsp;      Title: the title is not= very clear, while the abstract explains very well in the first sentence wh= at the goal of the draft is, what about changing it into: “A logical = organization for network device YANG models” ?

-=    &n= bsp;      Introduction: You are r= eferencing an individual draft. This could be a block for the draft, but mo= st of all does it make sense to have two separate drafts (in two different = WGs), one to say the value of organizing YANG models  and the other one defining a logical organization for th= e models? (maybe too late for such change)

-=    &n= bsp;      Introduction: this sent= ence is a bit confusing:

“  This document refers to two new modules that are expecte= d to be  implemented.  These models are defined to support the co= nfiguration  and operation of network-devices that allow for the partitioning of  resources from both, or either, management and n= etworking   perspectives.  Two forms of resource partitionin= g are referenced:”

&n= bsp;            = ;   Maybe a modules/models mismatch? You start saying that the do= c refers to two MODULES, then you say that MODELS are defined and the list = two FORMS OF RESOURCE PARTITIONING.

-=    &n= bsp;      Intro: “  &n= bsp; Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit = tree structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to&= nbsp; be utilized.” If it was described in previous versions of the document it is no longer available, or ?

-=    &n= bsp;      Scope: as I got it whil= e reading and as it is confirmed in the draft, the scope is “limited&= #8221;  to physical and virtual switches and routers and not devices o= perating at the lower layers. Since you say “we consider network devices that support protocols  and functions defined within = the IETF Routing Area” I would expect it to cover also lower layer de= vices.

-=    &n= bsp;      Section 2: Section 2 an= d its subsection are very clear and explain well the concepts but it is not= clear where the list comes from. It partially overlaps with the “ove= rall structure” example above but at least having all of them in the overall structure plus some others (provided as = example and not analyzed in the details with dedicated subsection ) would h= elp.

 

BR=
Daniele 

--_000_AM2PR07MB09946B270FFB0CFC88C2B4FFF0170AM2PR07MB0994eurp_-- From nobody Wed May 3 02:32:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C4212954E; Wed, 3 May 2017 02:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Jonathan Hardwick To: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Rtgdir early review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149380395894.21423.18366134547138249926@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 02:32:38 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 09:32:39 -0000 Reviewer: Daniele Ceccarelli Review result: Has Nits Hello, I’ve been selected as the QA reviewer for draft-ietf-rtgwg-device-model-02. I believe the draft is well written and quite easy to understand, I just have some minor suggestion that might be help improving the readability (mostly for non subject experts). - Title: the title is not very clear, while the abstract explains very well in the first sentence what the goal of the draft is, what about changing it into: “A logical organization for network device YANG models” ? - Introduction: You are referencing an individual draft. This could be a block for the draft, but most of all does it make sense to have two separate drafts (in two different WGs), one to say the value of organizing YANG models and the other one defining a logical organization for the models? (maybe too late for such change) - Introduction: this sentence is a bit confusing: “ This document refers to two new modules that are expected to be implemented. These models are defined to support the configuration and operation of network-devices that allow for the partitioning of resources from both, or either, management and networking perspectives. Two forms of resource partitioning are referenced:” Maybe a modules/models mismatch? You start saying that the doc refers to two MODULES, then you say that MODELS are defined and the list two FORMS OF RESOURCE PARTITIONING. - Intro: “ Should structural-mount/YSDL not be available, the more explicit tree structure presented in earlier versions of this document will need to be utilized.” If it was described in previous versions of the document it is no longer available, or ? - Scope: as I got it while reading and as it is confirmed in the draft, the scope is “limited” to physical and virtual switches and routers and not devices operating at the lower layers. Since you say “we consider network devices that support protocols and functions defined within the IETF Routing Area” I would expect it to cover also lower layer devices. - Section 2: Section 2 and its subsection are very clear and explain well the concepts but it is not clear where the list comes from. It partially overlaps with the “overall structure” example above but at least having all of them in the overall structure plus some others (provided as example and not analyzed in the details with dedicated subsection ) would help. BR Daniele From nobody Wed May 3 07:54:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF471294D2; Wed, 3 May 2017 07:54:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stewart Bryant To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types.all@ietf.org Subject: Rtgdir early partial review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-02 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149382325961.21410.10726283274929738928@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 07:54:19 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 14:54:20 -0000 Review is partially done. Another review request has been registered for completing it. Reviewer: Stewart Bryant Review result: Has Issues Firstly I should say that I am not an expert in YANG, hence my suggestion that you may wish to assign an additional reviewer. However in reviewing this a number of questions and issues arose: 2. Overview This document defines the following data types: SB> Accessibility note - the order of types seems random. It might SB> be more helpful to the reader if they were, in a systematic order SB> for example alphabetical and/or dependency order. ======= router-id Router Identifiers are commonly used to identify a nodes in SB> s/a nodes/nodes/ ======= route-target-type This type defines the import and export rules of Route Targets, as descibed in Section 4.3.1 of [RFC4364]. An example usage can be SB> s/descibed/described/ found in [I-D.ietf-idr-bgp-model]. ======== SB> I am surprised that IP multicast addresses are here, but IP addresses are not. SB> I would have thought that both should be in the same place. ======== SB> In some protocols we use the NTP and the 1588 timer types, I assume SB> they are defined elsewhere. ======== mpls-label The 20 bits label values in an MPLS label stack entry, specified in [RFC3032]. This label value does not include the encodings of Traffic Class and TTL (time to live). The label range specified by this type covers the general use values and the special-purpose label values. An example usage can be found in [I-D.ietf-mpls-base-yang]. SB> I am surprised that you don't start with label and then define the SB> other label definitions in terms of existing definitions. SB> The obvious order being label, sp-label, gp-label, generalized ======== S/ "This identity represents IPv4 address family.";/"This identity represents the IPv4 address family."; ======== //The rest of the values deinfed in the IANA registry SB> s/deinfed/defined/ SB> However a question arises, the list stops at mt-v6 SB> Why do you stop at this point in the IANA list? SB> https://www.iana.org/assignments/address-family-numbers/address-family-numbers.xhtml SB> It cannot be because some of the later ones are less relevant, as some of the SB> included ones are rather rare. One the other hand there are some later ones that SB> seem modern and useful. SB> SB> Also why do you have types in this list that you do not later define in detail? =========== SB> You have generalized label in the list top, but not in SB> the YANG model itself. =========== From nobody Wed May 3 08:51:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DCA12943C; Wed, 3 May 2017 08:51:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alexey Melnikov To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-24: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149382668546.21423.308568120805096987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 08:51:25 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 15:51:26 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-24: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS. Maybe it is just me, but it would have helped to say that "key string in ASCII" is a passphrase. I was not sure whether "key string" was a term used in Routing and/or YANG circles. 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No:-( This has become a thorny and vexed question with lots of solutions whose benefits depend on where you are coming from with no consensus among the interested parties. NETCONF/YANG set out to support configuration which is defined as something writeable. Read only, well it was not ignored but it did take a back seat since SNMP was already handling that part of network management. A requirement emerged to know what the results were of a configuration change. I enable an interface; is it now enabled? I set an interface card to auto; what speed is it running at? Clearly there are 'twin' objects, sometimes triads or more. Rather late in the day it emerged that in YANG read-only objects that are below a read-write object that has not been written do not exist. This led to the twin trees approach that is widely used, one tree for read-only, one for read-write. Other dimensions of this problem are the need either for configuration to come first and a hot-plugged card to pick up the configuration or for hot-plugging to come first and then the card be configured; and for the box to provide default values to minimise the configuration needed and for the NMS to know what the defaults are but not to have to read them all. Discussions on this go back to 2008 and continue; meanwhile the number of YANG modules ever increases making changes ever more expensive. I like your idea but suspect that it will not gain traction. Tom Petch > Henning Rogge > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Xufeng Liu wrote: > > Hi Henning, > > > > Please review if the attached change proposal is ok. > > Thanks, > > - Xufeng > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Xufeng Liu > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:18 AM > >> To: 'Henning Rogge' > >> Cc: Jonathan Hardwick ; Athanasios > >> Kyparlis ; parikhr@vmware.com; > >> zhangmingui@huawei.com; Routing WG > >> Subject: RE: Routing directorate QA review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp > >> > >> Hi Henning, > >> > >> Yes. We will add some explanations. > >> Thanks, > >> - Xufeng > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Henning Rogge [mailto:hrogge@gmail.com] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:50 AM > >> > To: Xufeng Liu > >> > Cc: Jonathan Hardwick ; Athanasios > >> > Kyparlis ; parikhr@vmware.com; > >> > zhangmingui@huawei.com; Routing WG > >> > Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of > >> > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Xufeng Liu wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Hi Henning, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Thank you much for the review. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > You are right about the mapping for "address of the virtual router". > >> > > The > >> > existing YANG data model for configuring and managing IP addresses is > >> > RFC7277, which augments the ietf-interfaces model specified by > >> > RFC7223. This VRRP model follows the same paradigm. Such a structure > >> > is also VRRP protocols are usually implemented. > >> > > >> > Maybe the naming of the variables or the explanation of them could be > >> > improved to explicitly state this. > >> > > >> > Henning > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > We will fix the error in Appendix A. in the next revision. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Regards, > >> > > > >> > > - Xufeng > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > From: Henning Rogge [mailto:hrogge@gmail.com] > >> > > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:41 AM > >> > > To: Jonathan Hardwick ; Xufeng Liu > >> > > ; Athanasios Kyparlis > >> > > ; parikhr@vmware.com; > >> > > zhangmingui@huawei.com > >> > > Cc: Routing WG > >> > > Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of > >> > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Jonathan Hardwick asked me to do an early review of the > >> > > draft-ietf-rtgwg- > >> > yang-vrrp document (currently revision 02) for the routing directorate. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > The draft itself is pretty straight forward and compact, especially > >> > > when you > >> > consider that a lot of text has to be repeated two or four times > >> > (IPv4/IPv6, config vs. read-only state). > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > But I had quite a bit of trouble mapping the phrases from the new > >> > > draft-ietf- > >> > rtgwg-yang-vrrp-02 document to the existing VRRP documents (e.g. RFC5798). > >> > This might come from my unfamilarity with VRRP. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > The draft YANG model allows to read (if:interfaces-state) and > >> > > configure > >> > (if:interfaces) virtual IP addresses, but this does not seem to be a > >> > common phrase from the RFCs. Is it the same as "address of the virtual > >> > router" often mentioned in RFC5798? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > In addition to this, I found (I think) a typo or inconsistency in Appendix A: > >> > > > >> > > the ascii art says "eth0" but tree says "eth1". > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Henning Rogge > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Jonathan Hardwick > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Hi Henning > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Please would you do a routing directorate early review of this > >> > > draft? Would > >> > you be able to do it in 2 to 3 weeks? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Many thanks > >> > > > >> > > Jon > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Please would you do a routing directorate QA review of this draft? > >> > > > >> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > The draft is still in the RTGWG and is ready for WG last call. The > >> > > WG chairs > >> > have asked for a QA review from the directorate. The following link > >> > provides guidance on QA reviews. > >> > > > >> > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/rtg/wiki/RtgDirDocQa > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Wed May 3 10:48:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF85129AEB; Wed, 3 May 2017 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 18:32:45 -0000 --001a113c0e869d0909054ea2da46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear RTGWG, OSPF WG & IDR WG, I'd like to bring this IETF Last Call to your attention. The method for advertising L2 bundle information via IS-IS described in this draft may be of interest for other protocols (OSPF, BGP-LS) that may use it as precedent for how to advertise such information if there is need in the future and consistency is desired at that point. Regards, Alia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: The IESG Date: Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:52 PM Subject: Last Call: (Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in IS-IS) to Proposed Standard To: IETF-Announce Cc: hannes@gredler.at, isis-chairs@ietf.org, isis-wg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-isis-l2bundles@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com The IESG has received a request from the IS-IS for IP Internets WG (isis) to consider the following document: - 'Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in IS-IS' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-05-17. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract There are deployments where the Layer 3 interface on which IS-IS operates is a Layer 2 interface bundle. Existing IS-IS advertisements only support advertising link attributes of the Layer 3 interface. If entities external to IS-IS wish to control traffic flows on the individual physical links which comprise the Layer 2 interface bundle link attribute information about the bundle members is required. This document introduces the ability for IS-IS to advertise the link attributes of layer 2 (L2) bundle members. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-l2bundles/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-l2bundles/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2793/ --001a113c0e869d0909054ea2da46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear RTGWG, OSPF WG & IDR WG,

I'd like to bring this IETF Last Call to your attention.=C2=A0 Th= e method for advertising
L2 bundle information via IS-IS describe= d in this draft may be of interest for other
protocols (OSPF, =C2= =A0BGP-LS) that may use it as precedent for how to advertise
such= information if there is need in the future and consistency is desired at t= hat point.

Regards,
Alia

<= /div>
---------- Forwarded message ----------=
From: The IESG <= iesg-secretary@ietf.org><= /span>
Date: Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:52 PM
Subject: Last Call: <draf= t-ietf-isis-l2bundles-04.txt> (Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attribu= tes in IS-IS) to Proposed Standard
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: hannes@gredler.at, isis-chairs@ietf.org, isis-wg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-isis-l2bundles@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com



The IESG has received a request from the IS-IS for IP Internets WG (isis) to consider the following document:
- 'Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in IS-IS'
=C2=A0 <draft-ietf-isis-l2bundles-04.txt> as Proposed Standard
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-05= -17. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In eith= er case, please retain the
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are deployments where the Layer 3 interface on which IS-= IS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0operates is a Layer 2 interface bundle.=C2=A0 Existing IS-IS =C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisements only support advertising link attributes of the= Layer
=C2=A0 =C2=A03 interface.=C2=A0 If entities external to IS-IS wish to contr= ol traffic
=C2=A0 =C2=A0flows on the individual physical links which comprise the Laye= r 2
=C2=A0 =C2=A0interface bundle link attribute information about the bundle m= embers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0is required.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document introduces the ability for IS-IS to advertise th= e link
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attributes of layer 2 (L2) bundle members.





The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra= ft-ietf-isis-l2bundles/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-isis-l2bundles/ballot/

The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2793/





--001a113c0e869d0909054ea2da46-- From nobody Wed May 3 12:10:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F6D129B5B; Wed, 3 May 2017 12:10:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" Subject: Protocol Action: 'Routing Key Chain YANG Data Model' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-24.txt) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com, Jeff Tantsura , jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, rtgwg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <149383863116.4791.11279780197674428710.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 12:10:31 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 19:10:31 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Routing Key Chain YANG Data Model' (draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-24.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain/ Technical Summary This document describes a YANG data model for key chains. Key chains have been implemented and deployed by most of network equipment vendors. Providing a standard YANG model will facilitate automated key distribution and non-disruptive key rollover in a vendor independent way. Working Group Summary This draft has been thoroughly discussed in the WG, very good feedback had been provided by SP and vendor community. The draft adoption and progress has received full support from the WG. All comments have been addressed. The draft is ready for publication. Document Quality The draft went to many rounds of reviews by YANG-Doctors as well as implementors, which resulted in a very high quality document. There are existing implementations and multiple vendors have shown significant interest in the topic. Note that the most recent version for handling operational state in the model may mean implementations need updates. Personnel Jeff Tantsura is the Document Shepherd. Alia Atlas is the Responsible Area Director. IESG Note The most recent version is to handle the very recent change in recommendation for handling operational state in YANG models. For this model, there won't be system-learned operational state that isn't tied to configuration state, so putting the state in as part of the YANG model is the forward path. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: jabil.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 May 2017 13:47:36.7886 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bc876b21-f134-4c12-a265-8ed26b7f0f3b X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR02MB1363 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 13:47:44 -0000 The Revised Datastore Draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-= revised-datastores-01) is the latest approach to address this issue. Before= the solution is finalized, NETCONF/RESTCONF protocols are updated, and imp= lementations are available, we still have the field duplications meanwhile. Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: t.petch [mailto:ietfa@btconnect.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 1:30 PM > To: Henning Rogge ; Xufeng Liu > Cc: Athanasios Kyparlis ; > parikhr@vmware.com; Routing WG > Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henning Rogge" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 7:49 AM > > > > yes I think the new changes improve the draft and make it easier to > understand. > > > > I wonder if there is a way in YANG to prevent the duplication of all > > the fields between "interface" and "interface-state"... putting the > > common fields into a section of their own and refer to them twice, > > once as "read only" and once "read-writeable". >=20 > No:-( >=20 > This has become a thorny and vexed question with lots of solutions whose > benefits depend on where you are coming from with no consensus among the > interested parties. NETCONF/YANG set out to support configuration which i= s > defined as something writeable. Read only, well it was not ignored but it= did > take a back seat since SNMP was already handling that part of network > management. A requirement emerged to know what the results were of a > configuration change. I enable an interface; is it now enabled? I set a= n > interface card to auto; what speed is it running at? Clearly there are '= twin' > objects, sometimes triads or more. Rather late in the day it emerged tha= t in > YANG read-only objects that are below a read-write object that has not be= en > written do not exist. This led to the twin trees approach that is widely= used, one > tree for read-only, one for read-write. >=20 > Other dimensions of this problem are the need either for configuration to= come > first and a hot-plugged card to pick up the configuration or for hot-plug= ging to > come first and then the card be configured; and for the box to provide de= fault > values to minimise the configuration needed and for the NMS to know what = the > defaults are but not to have to read them all. >=20 > Discussions on this go back to 2008 and continue; meanwhile the number of > YANG modules ever increases making changes ever more expensive. >=20 > I like your idea but suspect that it will not gain traction. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > > Henning Rogge > > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Xufeng Liu > wrote: > > > Hi Henning, > > > > > > Please review if the attached change proposal is ok. > > > Thanks, > > > - Xufeng > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Xufeng Liu > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:18 AM > > >> To: 'Henning Rogge' > > >> Cc: Jonathan Hardwick ; > Athanasios > > >> Kyparlis ; parikhr@vmware.com; > > >> zhangmingui@huawei.com; Routing WG > > >> Subject: RE: Routing directorate QA review of > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp > > >> > > >> Hi Henning, > > >> > > >> Yes. We will add some explanations. > > >> Thanks, > > >> - Xufeng > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Henning Rogge [mailto:hrogge@gmail.com] > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:50 AM > > >> > To: Xufeng Liu > > >> > Cc: Jonathan Hardwick ; > Athanasios > > >> > Kyparlis ; parikhr@vmware.com; > > >> > zhangmingui@huawei.com; Routing WG > > >> > Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of > > >> > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Xufeng Liu > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi Henning, > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Thank you much for the review. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > You are right about the mapping for "address of the virtual > router". > > >> > > The > > >> > existing YANG data model for configuring and managing IP > addresses is > > >> > RFC7277, which augments the ietf-interfaces model specified by > > >> > RFC7223. This VRRP model follows the same paradigm. Such a > structure > > >> > is also VRRP protocols are usually implemented. > > >> > > > >> > Maybe the naming of the variables or the explanation of them > could be > > >> > improved to explicitly state this. > > >> > > > >> > Henning > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > We will fix the error in Appendix A. in the next revision. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Regards, > > >> > > > > >> > > - Xufeng > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > From: Henning Rogge [mailto:hrogge@gmail.com] > > >> > > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 3:41 AM > > >> > > To: Jonathan Hardwick ; > Xufeng Liu > > >> > > ; Athanasios Kyparlis > > >> > > ; parikhr@vmware.com; > > >> > > zhangmingui@huawei.com > > >> > > Cc: Routing WG > > >> > > Subject: Re: Routing directorate QA review of > > >> > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi, > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Jonathan Hardwick asked me to do an early review of the > > >> > > draft-ietf-rtgwg- > > >> > yang-vrrp document (currently revision 02) for the routing > directorate. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > The draft itself is pretty straight forward and compact, > especially > > >> > > when you > > >> > consider that a lot of text has to be repeated two or four times > > >> > (IPv4/IPv6, config vs. read-only state). > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > But I had quite a bit of trouble mapping the phrases from the > new > > >> > > draft-ietf- > > >> > rtgwg-yang-vrrp-02 document to the existing VRRP documents (e.g. > RFC5798). > > >> > This might come from my unfamilarity with VRRP. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > The draft YANG model allows to read (if:interfaces-state) and > > >> > > configure > > >> > (if:interfaces) virtual IP addresses, but this does not seem to > be a > > >> > common phrase from the RFCs. Is it the same as "address of the > virtual > > >> > router" often mentioned in RFC5798? > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > In addition to this, I found (I think) a typo or inconsistency > in Appendix A: > > >> > > > > >> > > the ascii art says "eth0" but tree says "eth1". > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Henning Rogge > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Jonathan Hardwick > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi Henning > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Please would you do a routing directorate early review of this > > >> > > draft? Would > > >> > you be able to do it in 2 to 3 weeks? > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Many thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > Jon > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Please would you do a routing directorate QA review of this > draft? > > >> > > > > >> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > The draft is still in the RTGWG and is ready for WG last call. > The > > >> > > WG chairs > > >> > have asked for a QA review from the directorate. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I had been designated as the RTG-DIR reviewer for this draft. I've reviewed the same. This draft does a decent job of defining the logical-network-element module= . Some minor comments that should be addressed: a. Section 1.1: refers to expired drafts. b. Some TBDs need to be populated: i. Security consideration= s section ii. An error-code in sectio= n 6 Regards Ravi --_000_CY1PR05MB2521D35D61C3765946AD9A2EABEE0CY1PR05MB2521namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi

I had been designated as the RTG-DIR reviewer for this draft.<= /o:p>

I’ve reviewed the same.

 

This draft does a decent job of defining the logical-network-elemen= t module.

 

Some minor comments that should be addressed:

a.  =      Section 1.1: ref= ers to expired drafts.

b.  =     Some TBDs need t= o be populated:

  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;           i.  = ;          Security considerations section

  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;         ii. &nbs= p;          An error-code in section 6

 

Regards

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--_000_CY1PR05MB2521D35D61C3765946AD9A2EABEE0CY1PR05MB2521namp_-- From nobody Mon May 8 07:02:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EC312948B; Mon, 8 May 2017 07:02:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149425215429.6545.2552605119574425230@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 07:02:34 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 14:02:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) Authors : Xufeng Liu Athanasios Kyparlis Ravi Parikh Acee Lindem Mingui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03.txt Pages : 43 Date : 2017-05-08 Abstract: This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP). Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 10:03 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy= Protocol > (VRRP) > Authors : Xufeng Liu > Athanasios Kyparlis > Ravi Parikh > Acee Lindem > Mingui Zhang > Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03.txt > Pages : 43 > Date : 2017-05-08 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy > Protocol (VRRP). Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-03 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Wed May 10 14:47:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C9D12EAFC; Wed, 10 May 2017 14:47:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149445284449.16685.6590051254547176953@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:47:24 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 21:47:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types Authors : Xufeng Liu Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2017-05-10 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Martin suggested " Since it is based on an IANA registry, >should it be in a separate IANA-maintained module, like iana-if-type >in RFC 7224?" but you have not done that. You have produced a separate module in which IANA appears hundreds of times but that does not make it an IANA-maintained module IMO. Look at RFC7224 s.3 to see what I think is missing. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:54 PM Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03.txt > This version addresses Stewart’s RTG Directorate comments and Radek’s YANG > Doctor comments. It also splits iana-routing-types into a separate module. > > Thanks, > Acee > > On 5/10/17, 5:47 PM, "rtgwg on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org" > wrote: > > > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >directories. > >This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types > > Authors : Xufeng Liu > > Yingzhen Qu > > Acee Lindem > > Christian Hopps > > Lou Berger > > Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03.txt > > Pages : 32 > > Date : 2017-05-10 > > > >Abstract: > > This document defines a collection of common data types using the > > YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed > > to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. > > > > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ > > > >There are also htmlized versions available at: > >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03 > >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03 > > > >A diff from the previous version is available at: > >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-03 > > > > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > >submission > >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >rtgwg mailing list > >rtgwg@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > 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Fri, 12 May 2017 20:54:07 GMT Message-ID: <591620EE.4080706@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:54:06 -0700 From: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, Jeff Tantsura CC: rtgwg@ietf.org, LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF , "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , "pfrpfr@gmail.com" Subject: Request for WG adoption of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:58:45 -0000 Hi, We would like to request the wg adoption of "draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop". This draft replaces draft-francois-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop-01 The draft was presented last summer during IETF-96 in Berlin Thanks Ahmed From nobody Fri May 12 14:12:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC482129401 for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 14:12:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.624 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.624 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FfkDUzUSPfDI for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 14:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64ABA12F257 for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=248; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1494623317; x=1495832917; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=iV+Htc3Jt2U8dnf6R4pA8kztOJuQb7wa2jgFu/bE0vo=; b=U/UV5HjUd1rjq4WHa4VfAzh2PSqyWzFLgqsLyAGVMSZEgW3ixMyXg2Wq yXV2yeFM7nZL2YWG6CYLuFpcRBoSzBGRKlI+AoQbC/9AdZmnbm2BEcQ9j Lq/1XrUTe5IZMsmpUA7hyflKtbKzXC4oEuFq3BtSBHpPMvkDPFWXEpJ7x Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.38,332,1491264000"; d="scan'208";a="234302022" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 May 2017 21:08:36 +0000 Received: from [10.24.116.197] ([10.24.116.197]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v4CL8Wuf006952; Fri, 12 May 2017 21:08:34 GMT Message-ID: <59162450.7020508@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 14:08:32 -0700 From: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, Jeff Tantsura CC: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF , DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN , "pfrpfr@gmail.com" , "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" Subject: Request for WG adoption of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:12:43 -0000 Hi We would like to request the WG adoption of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-00. 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Wed, 17 May 2017 00:57:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-04.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149500783263.6639.13539253719035411549@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 00:57:12 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 07:57:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : Destination/Source Routing Authors : David Lamparter Anton Smirnov Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-04.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2017-05-17 Abstract: This note specifies using packets' source addresses in route lookups as additional qualifier to be used in route lookup. This applies to IPv6 [RFC2460] in general with specific considerations for routing protocol left for separate documents. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon May 22 05:37:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAEC1293FD; Mon, 22 May 2017 05:37:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-04.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149545667128.4974.17131877233150361417@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 05:37:51 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 12:37:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : Abstract Authors : Ahmed Bashandy Clarence Filsfils Prodosh Mohapatra Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-04.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2017-05-22 Abstract: In the network comprising thousands of iBGP peers exchanging millions of routes, many routes are reachable via more than one next-hop. Given the large scaling targets, it is desirable to restore traffic after failure in a time period that does not depend on the number of BGP prefixes. In this document we proposed an architecture by which traffic can be re-routed to ECMP or pre-calculated backup paths in a timeframe that does not depend on the number of BGP prefixes. The objective is achieved through organizing the forwarding data structures in a hierarchical manner and sharing forwarding elements among the maximum possible number of routes. The proposed technique achieves prefix independent convergence while ensuring incremental deployment, complete automation, and zero management and provisioning effort. It is noteworthy to mention that the benefits of BGP-PIC are hinged on the existence of more than one path whether as ECMP or primary-backup. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 23 01:53:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605B7128BB6; Tue, 23 May 2017 01:52:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement-04.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149552957835.5269.13648753539820804220@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 01:52:58 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 08:52:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : Link State protocols SPF trigger and delay algorithm impact on IGP micro-loops Authors : Stephane Litkowski Bruno Decraene Martin Horneffer Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement-04.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2017-05-23 Abstract: A micro-loop is a packet forwarding loop that may occur transiently among two or more routers in a hop-by-hop packet forwarding paradigm. In this document, we are trying to analyze the impact of using different Link State IGP implementations in a single network in regards of micro-loops. The analysis is focused on the SPF triggers and SPF delay algorithm. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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There should be at least 3 implementations of TI-LFA (to my knowledge), wou= ld you please gather this data and if possible implementation report and inc= lude it in the draft? Thanks! =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 On 5/12/17, 14:08, "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" wrote: Hi =20 We would like to request the WG adoption of=20 draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-00. The draft replaces=20 draft-francois-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-04 =20 The draft was presented in IETF-96 in Berlin last summer =20 Thanks =20 Ahmed =20 =20 From nobody Wed May 24 01:18:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A47128D6F for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4yycypq_E2jQ for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x241.google.com (mail-wm0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 114F61201FA for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x241.google.com with SMTP id d127so45295701wmf.1 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:18:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id:thread-topic :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CuImOEDHznqzLR16W9cnfPYgkjF/eJFPixWUeS6EuEg=; b=X3JD+SAHmljkvhTLLMbyj+Hgz5PYW0szIr0uFchOuU9ka62SIcVe1AXQKLmbBhp758 591q+zyx2vJVcoWkxm3fCNVza3I85RaM9zBfFrN9h8/SumkckBiMuKqxOxGUCThiAxJl Wn892ReGiO2ZR4trY+W4yH0XtXIp9q9yiCGsKi47JgoE6vKnii0Ig4SKWzGf32jltG3s LJRUJsagTPkQaGMHFj4bsJTkqYVaZjYx3lfcGo5VODtCo7iHQF+QKRJuUIzrlXJn9ZFf Du3vGTGJQRBfaGB66UUjJPYAhA4GgdtlkzigoDIT/4UKBCh3cj5Jcqe9ek+g78RXVlkP aHtA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id :thread-topic:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CuImOEDHznqzLR16W9cnfPYgkjF/eJFPixWUeS6EuEg=; b=PfAQLxDsQyuv5tHKMM3/cHausLm1ju/GphlrvmqOUZjZoDYu2+5atjDxl64uz7+7er AgmD8/bagCuaLpZ2+/PJTDIMb3lHKt4i4hqiGOnu8Our8RF4y3yXOYqZ94oP1+avEQl2 g+FCnoDoyiqWEEgjvDnk2tnI8jo5iRVMcPES+Cq/9v2aiNcBlme44qDZULL3k1vSASZy TOwWNCEul3LgKtp9k9lifSi8AsF29gIFyEMTvMEu/2RHvfybgsphUbZ0Nq3mTU4ttKUx THTS8mJxcO2KsMbJQ52lN9qSDQP1W+FznDulpiJHkHT5YioArfmawQlLqvS3jnSC+d57 /SQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcD6tGGo7EeuA7PBDg6VdJwBfdrb5bYYLkH4Fh3EYNmC6S0aSKgo EOIJ2Ul55KhdQw== X-Received: by 10.223.132.163 with SMTP id 32mr18956797wrg.154.1495613911603; Wed, 24 May 2017 01:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.28.4.31] ([195.238.226.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 1sm5324709wrw.32.2017.05.24.01.18.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 May 2017 01:18:30 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.21.0.170409 Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 01:18:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Request for WG adoption of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop, From: Jeff Tantsura To: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" , CC: , LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF , "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" , "pfrpfr@gmail.com" Message-ID: <7F886D7F-13E7-41A3-A91A-F59522DDB7EB@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: Request for WG adoption of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop, References: <591620EE.4080706@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <591620EE.4080706@cisco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 08:18:34 -0000 Hi Ahmed, I=E2=80=99ll start the process, you will see early review comments coming your wa= y. =20 Cheers, Jeff On 5/12/17, 13:54, "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" wrote: Hi, =20 We would like to request the wg adoption of=20 "draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop". This draft replaces=20 draft-francois-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop-01 =20 The draft was presented last summer during IETF-96 in Berlin =20 Thanks =20 Ahmed =20 =20 From nobody Wed May 24 03:45:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CFD127286; Wed, 24 May 2017 03:45:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cesnet.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qxGK9DPWNWI; Wed, 24 May 2017 03:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [195.113.144.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 341731294A2; Wed, 24 May 2017 03:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:1220:80c:921b:eff:fe59:4360] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:1220:80c:921b:eff:fe59:4360]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A309320016; Wed, 24 May 2017 12:45:27 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cesnet.cz; s=office2; t=1495622727; bh=UPEAVj0N6iueENyCOB9OO4ed3kw2An4ALLFlj99mKOk=; h=From:Subject:To:Cc:Date; b=Th3QyS3QxPt4yf1L4uNfoWNCODypkdqgbQC/Ob7EtBLK8Kud2GtPdDX6yS2npgRUH nNYEL6jtjY4kYbrVuS+IQSBfDVNQpaSxPypGHp7mjP11w6sbKNW5QnIzfjxDgM8zhZ HroPnYwH4b85dDGbjLFJJ1P93nTxVlEOq+pv9zN8= From: =?UTF-8?B?UmFkZWsgS3JlasSNw60=?= Subject: Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-04 To: yang-doctors@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types.all@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org Message-ID: <823c6e8a-9544-5544-8a99-d05c0ffc7017@cesnet.cz> Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:45:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:45:32 -0000 Reviewer: Radek Krejčí Review result: Ready with Nits I have reviewed changes made to draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types between revision 02 and 04 (04 was published just a week after 03). The main change is splitting the module into 2 modules: ietf-routing-types and iana-routing-types. iana-routing-types: - since it is IANA-maintained module, IANA should be the 'organization' and also the 'contact' value should be changed accordingly (see iana-if-type) ietf-routing-types: - please follow the contact template available in RFC 6087 Appendix B (or RFC6087bis, Appendix C) draft text: - if iana-routing-types is supposed to be IANA-maintained module, isn't IANA also supposed to be XML registrant contact (IANA Considerations section)? - my fault from previous review - since the module imports ietf-yang-types, it MUST contain reference to its RFC, which is RFC 6991 (not RFC 6021 as I wrote in my review). So move RFC 6991 reference from Informative references section into Normative references where it will replace reference to RFC 6021. Radek From nobody Wed May 24 08:06:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D086126FB3 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.623 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.623 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TsK6ruatybRs for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 08:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 456E912949A for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 08:06:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=982; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1495638375; x=1496847975; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FSYxSmEgtrnINWemoCsg33wxeNAlLN1DgIRIeYjMSLw=; b=kWiRJ4BnJqpGbiroKoU2kW6gmB1OBj41I2qbFLoI/OWaoxiccTr40/3s zzFIqRQiDXrwfyEYrQaz5YBzD+gUHwALeEjX6PWrZ/2OlvI714T0OkMmM 9Q3ygYrE6oSfNFp/gnQzMzPWSnJno07x28s+2BUhpef18Hrqlb+gilMGs I=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.38,386,1491264000"; d="scan'208";a="252329656" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 24 May 2017 15:06:11 +0000 Received: from [10.24.57.247] ([10.24.57.247]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v4OF69R6022051; Wed, 24 May 2017 15:06:09 GMT Message-ID: <5925A15E.80109@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 08:06:06 -0700 From: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Tantsura , chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com CC: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF , DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN , "pfrpfr@gmail.com" , "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" Subject: Re: Request for WG adoption of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa References: <59162450.7020508@cisco.com> <1B822DAB-9680-4E8F-AC07-06196D1853A5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1B822DAB-9680-4E8F-AC07-06196D1853A5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 15:06:20 -0000 I know of 4 implementation by Cisco: 2 ISIS on IOS-XE and IOS-XR and 2 OSPF on IOS-XE and IOS-XR If you know of any other implementations it would be great to share them Ahmed On 5/24/2017 1:18 AM, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Hi Ahmed, > > I’ll start the process, you will see early review comments coming your way. > There should be at least 3 implementations of TI-LFA (to my knowledge), would you please gather this data and if possible implementation report and include it in the draft? > > Thanks! > > Cheers, > Jeff > > > On 5/12/17, 14:08, "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" wrote: > > Hi > > We would like to request the WG adoption of > draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-00. The draft replaces > draft-francois-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-04 > > The draft was presented in IETF-96 in Berlin last summer > > Thanks > > Ahmed > > > > From nobody Wed May 24 09:15:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A0612EB39; Wed, 24 May 2017 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-05.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149564253598.28570.5918470877729106243@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:15:36 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:15:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types Authors : Xufeng Liu Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-05.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2017-05-24 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. 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Thu, 25 May 2017 12:10:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-05.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149573943586.8620.16154181802500195940@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:10:35 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 19:10:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP Prefix Independent Convergence Authors : Ahmed Bashandy Clarence Filsfils Prodosh Mohapatra Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-05.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2017-05-25 Abstract: In the network comprising thousands of iBGP peers exchanging millions of routes, many routes are reachable via more than one next-hop. Given the large scaling targets, it is desirable to restore traffic after failure in a time period that does not depend on the number of BGP prefixes. In this document we proposed an architecture by which traffic can be re-routed to ECMP or pre-calculated backup paths in a timeframe that does not depend on the number of BGP prefixes. The objective is achieved through organizing the forwarding data structures in a hierarchical manner and sharing forwarding elements among the maximum possible number of routes. The proposed technique achieves prefix independent convergence while ensuring incremental deployment, complete automation, and zero management and provisioning effort. It is noteworthy to mention that the benefits of BGP-PIC are hinged on the existence of more than one path whether as ECMP or primary-backup. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 30 06:55:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E7E12954E; Tue, 30 May 2017 06:55:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stewart Bryant To: Cc: draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop.all@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org, spring@ietf.org Subject: Rtgdir early review of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-uloop-00 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149615250349.14821.15412224026719218818@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 06:55:03 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 13:55:03 -0000 Reviewer: Stewart Bryant Review result: Has Issues I have been asked to perform an early review of this document on behalf of the Routing Directorate. Summary: A document on this subject is something that the WG should publish, but I think that there are number of issues that the WG need to discuss and reach consensus on before deciding whether or not they should adopt this draft as a starting point for that work. Major Issues: Before I get into the substance I am surprised that there are no IPR disclosures. In an earlier and related work (draft-francois-segment-routing-ti-lfa-00) there were three IPR disclosures. The work has four basic components, the concept of resolving the problem of P and Q being non-adjacent, the use of SR to solve the non-adjacency, the use of the post convergence path following failure and the applicability of these techniques to an SR network. The first and second points seem of utility in non-SR networks, and so I am surprised that they are not called out as such, in the first case perhaps with consideration to strategically places RSVP tunnels, or binding segments. The issue of mapping repair path to the post convergence path to the something that has always concerned me in this concept. It is true that traffic that always passes through the PLR will experience the properties the authors describe, but not all traffic will pass through the PLR post convergence. The post failure path will be topology dependent, and may take a different path from the point of ingress. I am also concerned that the authors do not discuss the need for loop free convergence, since although traffic going through the repair path will be loop-free, traffic arriving at the PLR might not be. Consider for example a topology fragment that looks like a clock with a router at each minute. Traffic enters at 9 o'clock, leave at 3 o'clock and goes via 12 o'clock and 12 o'clock fails. The routers 9..12 will re-converge at different times and this may give rise to the micro-looping of traffic trying to get to the PLR. A summary of the problem and a pointer to the companion draft may be sufficient. Finally on the basic concept it would be good to state up from whether the proposal is constrained solely to SR networks, or whether the authors believe that the concept is of wider applicability. It see no reason why it would be constrained to only work on SR networks. There is no discussion of multiple failures, nor as far as I can see of failures that are worse than anticipated. This is an important point that needs to be established early. Some methods, (MRT) intrinsically address multiple failures, others (NV) intrinsically exclude them. Simple LFA needs a supervisor to quickly abandon all hope when they occur. In an SR network the paths used are not the shortest paths, they are a collection of shortest paths, so there needs to be some discussion on the interaction between the SR paths and repair paths to consider whether it is unconditionally safe against forwarding loops. It would presumably be so if the authors borrowed the concept of repair addresses rather than normal forwarding addresses from not-via, but I don't think they have done this. There should also be some discussion on the original path constraints that are applicable to the repair. Presumably the ingress node constrained the traffic to go though failed node F for a reason. If the repair is unconstrained that reason could be violated, but this is not discussed in the text. In the Security section you say: The behavior described in this document is internal functionality to a router that result in the ability to guarantee an upper bound on the time taken to restore traffic flow upon the failure of a directly connected link or node. As such no additional security risk is introduced by using the mechanisms proposed in this document. SB> I am not sure that the above is correct. There may be a security reason SB> why a packet was steered along a path which breaks when you use this SB> technique. In the conclusion you say: The mechanism is able to calculate the backup path irrespective of the topology as long as the topology is sufficiently redundant. SB> That is certainly true in classic. I am not sure this is universally SB> true under SR which includes the use of non-shortest path and SB> binding segments. Minor issues: For each destination in the network, TI-LFA prepares a data-plane switch-over to be activated upon detection of the failure of a link used to reach the destination. SB> To make the scaling clearer to the reader, I think you need SB> to make it clear that for each protected link, you determine SB> the repair needed to reach every destination reachable over that SB> link. You sort of say that, but it's a bit hidden. We provide the TI-LFA approach that achieves guaranteed coverage against link, node, and local SRLG failure, in any IGP network, relying on the flexibility of SR. SB> Should that be any SINGLE link.... failure? In the text (and the text that follows) To do so, S applies a "NEXT" operation on Adj(S-F) and then two consecutive "PUSH" operations: first it pushes a node segment for F, and then it pushes a protection list allowing to reach F while bypassing S-F. You need to reference the SR operations. Also you are considering Adj segments, and presumably they were there for a reason, but you do not discuss that. In 5.3.1 and 5.3.2 you have a list of conditions, but do not make it clear whether any or all must be true. Nits 1. Introduction Segment Routing aims at supporting services with tight SLA guarantees [1]. This document provides a local repair mechanism relying on SR-capable of restoring end-to-end connectivity in the case of a sudden failure of a network component. SB> Grammar needs a little work in the last sentence. In Fig 1, I assume that the blobs are network fragments. In the conclusion you say: This document proposes a mechanism that is able to pre-calculate a backup path for every primary path so as to be able to protect against the failure of a directly connected link or node. SB> you need to add SRLG From nobody Tue May 30 07:06:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2277C12940F; Tue, 30 May 2017 07:05:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149615315911.14777.9118391853220763654@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 07:05:59 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 14:05:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) Authors : Xufeng Liu Athanasios Kyparlis Ravi Parikh Acee Lindem Mingui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04.txt Pages : 43 Date : 2017-05-30 Abstract: This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP). Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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