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Below you can find a link to the KRP ID. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar-krp/ Best regards, Khaled Omar --_000_AM4PR0401MB22417AE1C2E443C2D0612B61BD920AM4PR0401MB2241_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Everyone,

 

We almost had no discussion regarding the KRP ID, I&= #8217;m asking you if interested to take it easy to start that discussion t= hrough the Routing Area WG or somewhere else.

 

Below you can find a link to the KRP ID.<= /p>

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar-krp/

 

Best regards,

 

Khaled Omar

--_000_AM4PR0401MB22417AE1C2E443C2D0612B61BD920AM4PR0401MB2241_-- From nobody Sat Sep 2 12:01:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897571320B5; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-10.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150437891652.6492.10433748686817091@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 12:01:56 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 19:01:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Sep 12 17:01:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23829133188; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-11.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.61.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150526086810.30411.1052234674778761866@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:01:08 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:01:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Sep 18 17:36:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C281A1321AC; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:36:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-12.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.62.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150578136975.15557.6850565002866375738@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:36:09 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 00:36:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types Authors : Xufeng Liu Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-12.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2017-09-18 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. 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Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.153 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 12:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alia Atlas Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-13 To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0da5e85275340559901b5c" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:45:57 -0000 --94eb2c0da5e85275340559901b5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-13. First, I would like to thank Xufeng, Yingzhen, Acee, Chris, and Lou and the RTGWG for their work on this draft. It is a very well-written, clear, and useful pair of models. I did find a few nits to be fixed in the next version. I am putting this into IETF Last Call and scheduling it for the telechat on 10/12 Nits: 1) Sec 2 ipv6-route-target: s/only they IPv6 Address/only they are IPv6 Address 2)Sec 2 ipv6-route-origin: s/Origin for Routng and/Origin for Routing and Regards, Alia --94eb2c0da5e85275340559901b5c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As is customary, I have done my AD review of=C2=A0dra= ft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-13. First, I would like to thank Xufeng, Yingzh= en, Acee, Chris, and Lou and the RTGWG for their work on this draft.=C2=A0 = It is a very well-written, clear, and useful pair of models.

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I did find a few nits to be fixed in the next version. I am putt= ing this into IETF Last Call and scheduling it for the telechat on 10/12

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1) Sec 2 ipv6-route-target= : s/only they IPv6 Address/only they are IPv6 Address

2)Sec 2 ipv6-r= oute-origin: s/Origin for Routng and/Origin for Routing and

<= div>Regards,
Alia
--94eb2c0da5e85275340559901b5c-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 13:31:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4B01329B5; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:31:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" Subject: Last Call: (Routing Area Common YANG Data Types) to Proposed Standard X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.62.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com, draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura , jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150585308247.29229.7378275404160130725.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:31:22 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:31:22 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Routing Area Common YANG Data Types' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-03. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: rfc3429: Assignment of the 'OAM Alert Label' for Multiprotocol Label Switching Architecture (MPLS) Operation and Maintenance (OAM) Functions (Informational - IETF stream) From nobody Tue Sep 19 14:16:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22C91321A4; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-14.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.62.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150585575097.29343.9721489189559140905@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:15:50 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:15:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types Authors : Xufeng Liu Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-14.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2017-09-19 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-14 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:35:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.153 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Alia Atlas Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:35:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114b6ab4b8b3450559a191c8" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:36:00 -0000 --001a114b6ab4b8b3450559a191c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the WG for their work on this draft. It is clear and well-written. My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know that the transformation can be done largely programmatically - and Acee & Xufeng are quite familiar with the details. I've also cc'd Rob Wilton who has some tooling to potentially help. >From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an implementation. That implies that the existing model should be in the appendix. I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my apologies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated. Thanks, Alia --001a114b6ab4b8b3450559a191c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rt= gwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Athanas= ios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the WG for their work on this draft.= =C2=A0 It is clear and well-written.

My one issue is tha= t it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know that the transformatio= n can be done largely programmatically - and Acee & Xufeng are quite fa= miliar with the details.=C2=A0 I've also cc'd Rob Wilton who has so= me tooling to potentially help.

From the shepherd&= #39;s report, I understand that there is an implementation. That implies th= at the existing model should be in the appendix.

I= would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my apologi= es for the long delay in review) after it has been updated.

<= /div>
Thanks,
Alia
--001a114b6ab4b8b3450559a191c8-- From nobody Wed Sep 20 10:27:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44C0133052; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:27:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id meFRAloec0jR; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x22d.google.com (mail-wr0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40F39132D51; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id l39so2744177wrl.12; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L1vJHA6WSfd6IZQbLqROrIbL+Ca7yLcoUQqqbuRS6AI=; b=Juc4hJ2Gd3H8XLRIEHP5oKtskfy6uV7EyE/RpBrtDcsr86XLmA7nXvzKe+svy80GQf A+n96FJ7C9xqtikc7KFzG8H5S8xctfUoAllNOLThfahv9dkoC49XPYhVj23JCzpe1dqn dk1TtAk5Vn0yL/uLEw9CqVxbrsUfK+3jYQ2oYfBJTuJ27I1RhrGN/xUNusvt0r+a7nVO WTnHyjPaxSkzJf5DJwQxr9B/KUgsGkiUw8hCmlM/8TnfV3zm/SnQ/+dz4+cBKi8oJr4M QESot62+DiUn0b5EMLZ06OeCJ6D88z1KQ7QPSWGKjFbhzMQ4KkDRA4gq/GOhMLcXmmH2 YfOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L1vJHA6WSfd6IZQbLqROrIbL+Ca7yLcoUQqqbuRS6AI=; b=RByKTay20mUMw5ZyF8sA08tgvARfgAPSupvaCVq5M8dBbT5UUHr9Gjc+CYxBPljXEd z2AC/0oPR8rUyp/2/WaCgXikAq8u+NOFHMNZu2gsH+SnTws9Jim3Li2NBHdWOhSFSwuK qUa/QuuZQM1aoFP9vofU/ttFJ2DOTcESEANKg5lM1ljM4hRnrJCab/VYyLFiuoZPxAcY EKGpZSnSZCVpQVloOJKDmN7ysZze8uwHON4TEbz1T6s5DEA0HO+zWB+QK3KSwy+n6SZm UxbcyZUwKLhwA0p8mj0qKrq3q43JVtntPdFdHmsv4jIveJFmEpM9sMdyvZoGP1Pmz932 RiDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgzxlAZL37aCzoXABR5BqfHCx68g5cU4rQpifgr1r4e/rA/Eos/ i6mbr3iBriWBKpN7ppXQX7LcWISNVx1Bo2dlMohZV1Hv X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDu+x2IpoFqDA0KsWSBI1/UgDIEBfkYl0WXdtMUgtEjaQuywkI2vX/cGJJ4QuAiQ8AMxbQZEMqAtZSUuxY++A0= X-Received: by 10.223.147.195 with SMTP id 61mr2701484wrp.119.1505928430331; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:27:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.153 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alia Atlas Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:27:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04 To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0da5e825c8bc0559a24989" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 17:27:14 -0000 --94eb2c0da5e825c8bc0559a24989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04. First, I would like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Prateek, and Vikram, as well as the WG for their work on this document. My one major issue is that this does not conform to the NMDA guidelines - where augmenting -state models is not preferred. It is quite acceptable to have that in an appendix, if there are implementations. I do see the shepherd's write-up indicates a partial implementation exists. There is some tooling to help convert a model to conform to NMDA; I've cc'd Rob Wilton, who was working on that. I also have some questions. 1) For the prefix-set-ref, I don't see any information about what the string should contain. 2) For the route-policy-ref, I don't see any information about what the string should contain. Nits: a) p.26:"choice auth-type-selection { description "Specify the authentication scheme. The use of the key-chain reference here is designed to align with other proposed protocol models.";" Since the key-chain model is approved for RFC publication, the description can be updated. Once the model conforms to the NMDA guidelines, I will be happy to advance this draft to IETF Last Call. Thanks, Alia --94eb2c0da5e825c8bc0559a24989 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ie= tf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04. First, I would like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Pra= teek, and Vikram, as well as the WG for their work on this document.
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My one major issue is that this does not conform to the = NMDA guidelines - where augmenting -state models is not preferred.=C2=A0 It= is quite acceptable to have that in an appendix, if there are implementati= ons. I do see the shepherd's write-up indicates a partial implementatio= n exists.
There is some tooling to help convert a model to confor= m to NMDA; I've cc'd Rob Wilton, who was working on that.
=

I also have some questions.

1)= For the prefix-set-ref, I don't see any information about what the str= ing should contain.

2) For the route-policy-ref, I= don't see any information about what the string should contain.
<= div>
Nits:
a) p.26:"choice auth-type-selec= tion {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0des= cription
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0"Specify the authentication scheme.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The use of the key-chain refe= rence here is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 designed to align with other proposed protocol
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 models.";&= quot;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Since the key-chain model is approved for = RFC publication, the description can be updated.

O= nce the model conforms to the NMDA guidelines, I will be happy to advance t= his draft to IETF Last Call.

Thanks,
Ali= a
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As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rt= gwg-uloop-delay-06. First, I would like to thank the authors, Stephane, Bru= no, Clarence, and Pierre, and the WG for their efforts on this document.
I found the draft clearly written and do not have any majo= r issues.=C2=A0 I have requested IETF Last Call and scheduled it for the te= lechat on Oct 12.

Thanks,
Alia
--94eb2c0da5e8a6cf850559a3307d-- From nobody Wed Sep 20 11:44:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835DA134288; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:44:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" Subject: Last Call: (Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay) to Proposed Standard X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.62.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150593307249.29052.3171114179861444905.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:44:32 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:44:32 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure. This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology change and the network wide convergence. As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic between the link failure time and the IGP convergence. The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to keep the mechanism simple. Simulations using real network topologies have been performed and show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of the total forwarding loops. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/ From nobody Thu Sep 21 01:21:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A831331F6; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:21:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uQY5YQSWHnZI; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x22d.google.com (mail-wr0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83A06132941; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id g29so3914524wrg.11; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:21:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=kWmkI2jLSZua6+WHMthmAhvNGSc0J4X+RJMZVA5Lx2I=; b=alPbljMotj4xPe3rDa8MzISFcPm+oojrWCoahqKPgzphiOOng0hYkOGjFOIxGOpu0A 8NaZbfNs+XkOe00JhhnJrMVDwRLRTdns05/5ct8r7SwmM2p22HmBavy4gFxx5LLpeoCs v4c23jQt9UFLyzchlvyFmZbY+cSX0ZLJ2qQOj+VcfFfgh4G5e9Rijz0wG3mbdvSmaXH4 rXTcW2RXDfeNEkH0W4zXZCQYbLb9DF24aa+jrO4F3cZ6UknS6VTmdDpKvuzF+BnU2Qji GmwGyGEVoqTSJYVqhp1QTZ2Qwfs0sIm5YXAoYXA0kZkojzIEwYL1VaS9BcFIoF9OVOaF FN9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=kWmkI2jLSZua6+WHMthmAhvNGSc0J4X+RJMZVA5Lx2I=; b=l7pKR7P62ILjKOKhn6Wwn0mm2vCX9cFVBNR/Vs/hK/vh7YTR6DQ/bXK8qUND8+dDkN Ge/j/yz+GJW/Xg3QbO9Z6lW/bscstq3M3F2ceFmWM+IR3C7VYr5hojtxoYY+85/2kvi4 0OigD2PDwF6+fu24O+XlRPz9c0sc9ETigx/TmEeKXFFn6DipKBbi4rAip7KYeUWjS15q FbPDG6Kw10S1z3UzopJ6Z1fuLe3ywyQx0UGZqIkN4QvKk86Ng02ae2DZ2myuJpEn/70u TkKKZ3bzETt3HN00Z9RfyTlG2ZFDGkQy2yC3QFK3VVU5mU2b508cxV469/VGFWdAYyPt zReg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhqQm8Ll+g9AZ5Z8ERK0YqM32YM+CnVZ+jc4BT7+CMWEZsYXBZx n9e/yhpei8GF+v7rhLjqHEMrhsWZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCc1lfgXP4FlJ1qWhgDjr3F3Agotr9RGjnpkKJu8L63JYY/J40aeLsyCbSw0G5PXO5i3Wemsw== X-Received: by 10.223.164.206 with SMTP id h14mr1070611wrb.221.1505982091717; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.126] (host213-123-124-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com. [213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x15sm918868wma.32.2017.09.21.01.21.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Last Call: (Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay) to Proposed Standard To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com, draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org References: <150593307249.29052.3171114179861444905.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:21:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150593307249.29052.3171114179861444905.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:21:36 -0000 The draft states that " The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to keep the mechanism simple." Since a link that goes down will normally also come up again, the draft ought to provide some guidance to the operator on how they should handle that situation. Applications that care about the disruption caused by microloops presumably have no care as to whether they are cause by link up or link down, and so would prefer a complete elimination of that disruption. However I accept that complete elimination has wider network impact and that this approach which is really microloop mitigation has utility. The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out of service until a quiet time, or the loss of connectivity has moved to the network to a state of fragility such that disruption is acceptable. - Stewart On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by > introducing a local convergence delay' > as Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of > the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > > This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols > to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure. > This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay > between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology change > and the network wide convergence. > > As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for > planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic between > the link failure time and the IGP convergence. > > The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to > keep the mechanism simple. > > Simulations using real network topologies have been performed and > show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of the total > forwarding loops. > > > > > > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/ > > The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/ > > > > > From nobody Thu Sep 21 01:27:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD0E132941; 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Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:27:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.151.75 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:27:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <150593307249.29052.3171114179861444905.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:27:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Cz1hVdkyaJEQV1F0uw8hGNpO3z4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Last Call: (Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay) to Proposed Standard To: Stewart Bryant Cc: IETF Discussion , RTGWG , rtgwg-chairs , draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11477a982b693b0559aedee2" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:27:54 -0000 --001a11477a982b693b0559aedee2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Stewart, Since you brought the link up scenario .... > keeping the link out of service until a quiet time How would a router know when there is a "quiet time" *network wide* which would not cause disruption for the sensitive applications when the link is flooded again ? Or do you mean that such quiet time is a preconfigure window on the router by operator (say to match local after hours times) ? Or you mean that link up would always require operator's action ? Thx, R. On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > The draft states that > > " The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to > keep the mechanism simple." > > Since a link that goes down will normally also come up again, the draft > ought to provide some guidance to the operator on how they should handle > that situation. Applications that care about the disruption caused by > microloops presumably have no care as to whether they are cause by link up > or link down, and so would prefer a complete elimination of that > disruption. However I accept that complete elimination has wider network > impact and that this approach which is really microloop mitigation has > utility. > > The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out of service until a > quiet time, or the loss of connectivity has moved to the network to a state > of fragility such that disruption is acceptable. > > - Stewart > > > > On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote: > >> The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG >> (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by >> introducing a local convergence delay' >> as Proposed Standard >> >> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits >> final >> comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the >> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be >> sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the >> beginning of >> the Subject line to allow automated sorting. >> >> Abstract >> >> >> This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols >> to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure. >> This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay >> between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology change >> and the network wide convergence. >> >> As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for >> planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic between >> the link failure time and the IGP convergence. >> >> The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to >> keep the mechanism simple. >> >> Simulations using real network topologies have been performed and >> show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of the total >> forwarding loops. >> >> >> >> >> >> The file can be obtained via >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ >> >> IESG discussion can be tracked via >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/ >> >> The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > --001a11477a982b693b0559aedee2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stewart,

S= ince you brought the link up scenario ....=C2=A0


>=C2=A0 keeping the link out of se= rvice until a quiet time

How would a router know= when there is a "quiet time" network wide which would not= cause disruption=C2=A0for the sens= itive applications=C2=A0when the li= nk is flooded again ?=C2=A0

Or d= o you mean that such quiet time is a preconfigure window on the router by o= perator (say to match local after hours times) ?=C2=A0
Or you mean that link up would always require operator= 's action ?=C2=A0

Thx,<= /div>
R.


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Ste= wart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

The draft states that

" The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to= keep the mechanism simple."

 Since a link that goes down will normally also come up again, the draft oug= ht to provide some guidance to the operator on how they should handle that = situation. Applications that care about the disruption caused by microloops= presumably have no care as to whether they are cause by link up or link do= wn, and so would prefer a complete elimination of that disruption. However = I accept that complete elimination has wider network impact and that this a= pproach which is really microloop mitigation has utility.

The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out of service until a qu= iet time, or the loss of connectivity has moved to the network to a state o= f fragility such that disruption is acceptable.

- Stewart



On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote:
The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG
(rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by=
introducing a local convergence delay'
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-06.txt> as Proposed S= tandard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final=
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailin= g lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of
the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing pr= otocols
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link f= ailure.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing= a delay
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology = change
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and the network wide convergence.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be u= sed for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic= between
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the link failure time and the IGP convergence.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in o= rder to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 keep the mechanism simple.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Simulations using real network topologies have been performed= and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of = the total
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 forwarding loops.





The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/d<= wbr>oc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/

The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/<= br>





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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e77sm2589438wmf.27.2017.09.21.01.36.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Last Call: (Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay) to Proposed Standard To: Robert Raszuk Cc: IETF Discussion , RTGWG , rtgwg-chairs , draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org References: <150593307249.29052.3171114179861444905.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <8a031985-6ab6-acd8-db06-6e1cf88cae38@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:36:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B8CEC9B934F8CFE40257EF86" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:36:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B8CEC9B934F8CFE40257EF86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 21/09/2017 09:27, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Stewart, > > Since you brought the link up scenario .... > > > > keeping the link out of service until a quiet time > > How would a router know when there is a "quiet time" _network wide_ > which would not cause disruption for the sensitive applications when > the link is flooded again ? > > Or do you mean that such quiet time is a preconfigure window on the > router by operator (say to match local after hours times) ? > > Or you mean that link up would always require operator's action ? My assumption is that a chosen time is probably better than a random time autonomously chosen by the routing system. How that time is chosen is a matter for further consideration. It seems to me that if you care about uloop disruption you care about it (full stop). A reduction in occurrence of 50% may or may not be of significant practical benefit depending on the degree of concern. If nothing else the text should delve a little deeper into the shortcomings and mitigations of this approach. - Stewart > > Thx, > R. > > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Stewart Bryant > > wrote: > > > The draft states that > > " The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in > order to keep the mechanism simple." > > Since a link that goes down will normally also come up again, the > draft ought to provide some guidance to the operator on how they > should handle that situation. Applications that care about the > disruption caused by microloops presumably have no care as to > whether they are cause by link up or link down, and so would > prefer a complete elimination of that disruption. However I accept > that complete elimination has wider network impact and that this > approach which is really microloop mitigation has utility. > > The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out of service > until a quiet time, or the loss of connectivity has moved to the > network to a state of fragility such that disruption is acceptable. > > - Stewart > > > > On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote: > > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working > Group WG > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop > prevention by > introducing a local convergence delay' >     as Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and > solicits final > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by > 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In > either case, please retain the beginning of > the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > >     This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing > protocols >     to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of > link failure. >     This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by > introducing a delay >     between the convergence of the node adjacent to the > topology change >     and the network wide convergence. > >     As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only > be used for >     planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the > traffic between >     the link failure time and the IGP convergence. > >     The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event > in order to >     keep the mechanism simple. > >     Simulations using real network topologies have been > performed and >     show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of > the total >     forwarding loops. > > > > > > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ > > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/ > > > The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > > --------------B8CEC9B934F8CFE40257EF86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



On 21/09/2017 09:27, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Stewart,

Since you brought the link up scenario .... 


>  keeping the link out of service until a quiet time

How would a router know when there is a "quiet time" network wide which would not cause disruption for the sensitive applications when the link is flooded again ? 

Or do you mean that such quiet time is a preconfigure window on the router by operator (say to match local after hours times) ? 

Or you mean that link up would always require operator's action ?

My assumption is that a chosen time is probably better than a random time autonomously chosen by the routing system. How that time is chosen is a matter for further consideration.

It seems to me that if you care about uloop disruption you care about it (full stop). A reduction in occurrence of 50% may or may not be of significant practical benefit depending on the degree of concern.

If nothing else the text should delve a little deeper into the shortcomings and mitigations of this approach.

- Stewart



Thx,
R.


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

The draft states that

" The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to keep the mechanism simple."

 Since a link that goes down will normally also come up again, the draft ought to provide some guidance to the operator on how they should handle that situation. Applications that care about the disruption caused by microloops presumably have no care as to whether they are cause by link up or link down, and so would prefer a complete elimination of that disruption. However I accept that complete elimination has wider network impact and that this approach which is really microloop mitigation has utility.

The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out of service until a quiet time, or the loss of connectivity has moved to the network to a state of fragility such that disruption is acceptable.

- Stewart



On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote:
The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG
(rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by
introducing a local convergence delay'
   <draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-06.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of
the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


    This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols
    to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure.
    This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay
    between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology change
    and the network wide convergence.

    As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for
    planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic between
    the link failure time and the IGP convergence.

    The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to
    keep the mechanism simple.

    Simulations using real network topologies have been performed and
    show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of the total
    forwarding loops.





The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/

The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/






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--------------B8CEC9B934F8CFE40257EF86-- From nobody Thu Sep 21 01:53:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB0D1344C0; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:53:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Winter To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types.all@ietf.org Subject: Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-14 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.62.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150598401392.24930.17682721638758242284@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 01:53:33 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:53:34 -0000 Reviewer: Stefan Winter Review result: Ready This document is all about ops and written by many people with in-depth YANG knowledge. The content also parses without warnings or errors. Not being a YANG nor a routing expert, all I can see in this document looks good. I guess for a really in-depth review, this document needs a Benoit-shaped AD to look at it. From nobody Thu Sep 21 07:02:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D96A1321C7; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y_L2-Gwx-yIq; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2690913235C; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:02:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=65229; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1506002561; x=1507212161; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to; bh=X7bUkyL2vwaywkUYHw/IQwK5o6ixRJpvT5ag839yW8M=; b=nEx/HblCyI2Ghm15x+geFShH8xHfmC2aa0UUh6Jg+qmoDvkAmHFle4Lu AyPlYPUwLTX2tBdoeXEHMRoRFbCKzfTmYhUKmBPYzQd3NbyElTVFU+Wvm K86C89NIBrmCbMITXlqKOxsA/3A+uAiGFLv+Olc8MQWn8jt8GRjrDGx6t I=; X-Files: ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.tree.txt, ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang, vrrp-nmda.diff, vrrp-nmda-tree.diff : 5953, 29309, 3292, 5520 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B+AQB6xcNZ/xbLJq1TCRkBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYQ+bieDdosUkE8riECNag6CBAofhRwChFQWAQIBAQEBAQEBayi?= =?us-ascii?q?FGQEFGgEIBGILDgonAwICAh8lEQYBDAYCAQGKFwMVEKcqgW06hzQNgz4BAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEOD4Mrg1OBZCuCfYJZgV4aBA4kCxWCZ4JgBZE3jyA?= =?us-ascii?q?8hDuCIYEBiASEd4tYhyaMYYEFh1iBOSYGK4ENMiEIHBVJhRkcgWg/NoZ+ASQHg?= =?us-ascii?q?hUBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,425,1500940800"; d="diff'?txt'?yang'?scan'208";a="697359469" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 Sep 2017 14:02:38 +0000 Received: from [10.63.23.66] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-66.cisco.com [10.63.23.66]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v8LE2cMs031915; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:02:38 GMT Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 To: Alia Atlas , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org References: From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <99dc384b-0c52-0b34-be64-26d44121bc2e@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:02:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------95BA9284E4529A6806F5CFBB" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:02:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------95BA9284E4529A6806F5CFBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alia, authors, OK, so the tooling is still a bit rough and ready, but I've tweaked it a bit and run it on the VRRP module. The tooling itself: (1) Alpha/beta level quality, generally it seems to work OK, but the results need to be carefully checked (e.g. by diffing the old and new modules to see what has changed). (2) Is just a fork of pyang with some extra modules (it is sync'ed with Martin's latest pyang github repository today). (3) Current code is available at: https://github.com/rgwilton/pyang - Feel free to clone, extend, pull requests, etc. (4) How does it work?: - It looks through the parallel config/state trees finding nodes with the same names on equivalent paths. - It that match then it checks description and reference and merges them together.  If it merges it flags it with a "FIX ME" comment. - It also tries to handle augmentations and groupings, by heuristically checking for "-state" in the grouping name. (5) Stuff that is known not to work: - It should, but currently doesn't, validate that the same type is used between the config and state leaves! - I've not tried it with submodules, I'm not sure how it will fare. (6) Generically it is used like this (from the directory that contains the split YANG module): - clone the github repository above, and ensure pyang's normal dependencies are available. - run these commands: cd source env.sh cd "pyang -f yang --max-line-length 69 --ietf-split-to-combined-tree --remove-state-nodes > " (7) Actual example steps on VRRP (draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04), module extracted by rcfstrip: # Generate a 'clean' tree for more informative diff (or else many whitespace changes are reported). pyang -f yang --ietf --max-line-length 69 ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > ietf-vrrp-clean@2017-04-27.yang pyang -f yang --ietf-split-to-combined-tree --remove-state-nodes  --max-line-length 69 ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang diff ietf-vrrp-clean@2017-04-27.yang ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang > vrrp-nmda.diff # Checking the tree output is also sensible. pyang -f tree ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.tree.txt pyang -f tree --ietf ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang > ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.tree.txt diff ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.tree.txt ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.tree.txt > vrrp-nmda-tree.diff The new VRRP YANG module, New tree output, model diff, and tree diff are all attached. Requires manual fixing: - revision date/history - a few "FIX ME" comments to merge config/state description strings. - check that leaf types match for any config/state nodes on equivalent paths where the state leaf has been removed. Thanks, Rob On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia Atlas wrote: > As is customary, I have done my AD review of > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to thank the > authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the WG > for their work on this draft.  It is clear and well-written. > > My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I > know that the transformation can be done largely programmatically - > and Acee & Xufeng are quite familiar with the details.  I've also cc'd > Rob Wilton who has some tooling to potentially help. > > From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an > implementation. 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review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 To: Robert Wilton Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0da5e8925bfb0559b3c05e" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:17:33 -0000 --94eb2c0da5e8925bfb0559b3c05e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Rob, Thank you very much! Regards, Alia On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Alia, authors, > > OK, so the tooling is still a bit rough and ready, but I've tweaked it a > bit and run it on the VRRP module. > > The tooling itself: > (1) Alpha/beta level quality, generally it seems to work OK, but the > results need to be carefully checked (e.g. by diffing the old and new > modules to see what has changed). > > (2) Is just a fork of pyang with some extra modules (it is sync'ed with > Martin's latest pyang github repository today). > > (3) Current code is available at: https://github.com/rgwilton/pyang > - Feel free to clone, extend, pull requests, etc. > > (4) How does it work?: > - It looks through the parallel config/state trees finding nodes with the > same names on equivalent paths. > - It that match then it checks description and reference and merges them > together. If it merges it flags it with a "FIX ME" comment. > - It also tries to handle augmentations and groupings, by heuristically > checking for "-state" in the grouping name. > > (5) Stuff that is known not to work: > - It should, but currently doesn't, validate that the same type is used > between the config and state leaves! > - I've not tried it with submodules, I'm not sure how it will fare. > > (6) Generically it is used like this (from the directory that contains the > split YANG module): > - clone the github repository above, and ensure pyang's normal > dependencies are available. > - run these commands: > cd > source env.sh > cd > "pyang -f yang --max-line-length 69 --ietf-split-to-combined-tree > --remove-state-nodes > " > > (7) Actual example steps on VRRP (draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04), module > extracted by rcfstrip: > > # Generate a 'clean' tree for more informative diff (or else many > whitespace changes are reported). > pyang -f yang --ietf --max-line-length 69 ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > > ietf-vrrp-clean@2017-04-27.yang > pyang -f yang --ietf-split-to-combined-tree --remove-state-nodes > --max-line-length 69 ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > > ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang > diff ietf-vrrp-clean@2017-04-27.yang ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang > > vrrp-nmda.diff > > # Checking the tree output is also sensible. > pyang -f tree ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.tree.txt > pyang -f tree --ietf ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang > > ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.tree.txt > diff ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.tree.txt ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.tree.txt > > vrrp-nmda-tree.diff > > The new VRRP YANG module, New tree output, model diff, and tree diff are > all attached. > > Requires manual fixing: > - revision date/history > - a few "FIX ME" comments to merge config/state description strings. > - check that leaf types match for any config/state nodes on equivalent > paths where the state leaf has been removed. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia Atlas wrote: > >> As is customary, I have done my AD review of >> draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to thank the authors, >> Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the WG for their work >> on this draft. It is clear and well-written. >> >> My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know >> that the transformation can be done largely programmatically - and Acee & >> Xufeng are quite familiar with the details. I've also cc'd Rob Wilton who >> has some tooling to potentially help. >> >> From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an implementation. >> That implies that the existing model should be in the appendix. >> >> I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my >> apologies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated. >> >> Thanks, >> Alia >> > > --94eb2c0da5e8925bfb0559b3c05e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob,

Thank you very much!
Regards,
Alia
<= br>
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Robert Wilt= on <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Alia, authors,

OK, so the tooling is still a bit rough and ready, but I've tweaked it = a bit and run it on the VRRP module.

The tooling itself:
(1) Alpha/beta level quality, generally it seems to work OK, but the result= s need to be carefully checked (e.g. by diffing the old and new modules to = see what has changed).

(2) Is just a fork of pyang with some extra modules (it is sync'ed with= Martin's latest pyang github repository today).

(3) Current code is available at: https://github.com/rgwilton/pyang
- Feel free to clone, extend, pull requests, etc.

(4) How does it work?:
- It looks through the parallel config/state trees finding nodes with the s= ame names on equivalent paths.
- It that match then it checks description and reference and merges them to= gether.=C2=A0 If it merges it flags it with a "FIX ME" comment. - It also tries to handle augmentations and groupings, by heuristically che= cking for "-state" in the grouping name.

(5) Stuff that is known not to work:
- It should, but currently doesn't, validate that the same type is used= between the config and state leaves!
- I've not tried it with submodules, I'm not sure how it will fare.=

(6) Generically it is used like this (from the directory that contains the = split YANG module):
- clone the github repository above, and ensure pyang's normal dependen= cies are available.
- run these commands:
cd <pyang directory>
source env.sh
cd <yang module directory>
"pyang -f yang --max-line-length 69 --ietf-split-to-combined-tree --re= move-state-nodes <src.yang> > <tgt.yang>"

(7) Actual example steps on VRRP (draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04), modu= le extracted by rcfstrip:

# Generate a 'clean' tree for more informative diff (or else many w= hitespace changes are reported).
pyang -f yang --ietf --max-line-length 69 ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > ie= tf-vrrp-clean@2017-04-27.yang
pyang -f yang --ietf-split-to-combined-tree --remove-state-nodes=C2=A0 --ma= x-line-length 69 ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.y= ang
diff ietf-vrrp-clean@2017-04-27.yang ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang &g= t; vrrp-nmda.diff

# Checking the tree output is also sensible.
pyang -f tree ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.yang > ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.tree.txt<= br> pyang -f tree --ietf ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.yang > ietf-vrrp-nmda@201= 7-09-17.tree.txt
diff ietf-vrrp@2017-04-27.tree.txt ietf-vrrp-nmda@2017-09-17.tree.txt = > vrrp-nmda-tree.diff

The new VRRP YANG module, New tree output, model diff, and tree diff are al= l attached.

Requires manual fixing:
- revision date/history
- a few "FIX ME" comments to merge config/state description strin= gs.
- check that leaf types match for any config/state nodes on equivalent path= s where the state leaf has been removed.

Thanks,
Rob



On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia Atlas wrote:
As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04.= First, I would like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,a= nd Mingui, as well as the WG for their work on this draft.=C2=A0 It is clea= r and well-written.

My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know tha= t the transformation can be done largely programmatically - and Acee & = Xufeng are quite familiar with the details.=C2=A0 I've also cc'd Ro= b Wilton who has some tooling to potentially help.

>From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an implementatio= n. That implies that the existing model should be in the appendix.

I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my apolog= ies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated.

Thanks,
Alia


--94eb2c0da5e8925bfb0559b3c05e-- From nobody Thu Sep 21 07:23:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA3F134B6C; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:23:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RxesPv-rG3bd; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C867F134B66; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:23:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9157; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1506003831; x=1507213431; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to; bh=dY+RodOifCRbwYCFfFC26jr5AtA3sEzG5HTsLAoyHeA=; b=mORXxtvEfO97V8mHf3rB3nyfw8mr2AwzISksMuC2CIopDY5QNoX2UnXy CaiS9AohNKlGmiyIvkFUd36a2Ed+DvkJeGWth1cU2LKiW/Lp4hmYzB6dE +s/j6Cr9AMW1+AEbE7kVNlrw0bC8Ak7e78zVeVcpRkMkiPkYBOasmT0FR 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CkAQAeysNZ/xbLJq1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgm+CPYQdixSQTwkikGuFP4ISCoU7AoRUFgECAQEBAQEBAWsohRk?= =?us-ascii?q?BBSNmCQIOCioCAlcGAQwIAQGKL4lQnWaCJyeKWAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAR2DK4NTgWQrC4JyiA6CYAWRN49clFiLWIcmjWaHWIE5JgQtgQ0yIQgcFUm?= =?us-ascii?q?FGRyBaD+JdQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,425,1500940800"; d="scan'208,217";a="655814142" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 Sep 2017 14:23:48 +0000 Received: from [10.63.23.66] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-66.cisco.com [10.63.23.66]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v8LENmFA000846; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:23:48 GMT Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 To: Alia Atlas , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org, Martin Bjorklund References: From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <21abf650-463e-bc0b-0970-01ae9291525d@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:23:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------796A6F8C8C13CCA941EB4BD5" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:23:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------796A6F8C8C13CCA941EB4BD5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alia, authors, Separately when doing the NMDA conversion on the VRRP module, I noted that it is directly augmenting the "/interfaces-state" container (rather than "/interfaces-state/interface" directly with "VRRP-global" container, which looked a bit odd to me (and broke my conversion tool ;-). E.g.   augment /if:interfaces-state:     +--ro vrrp-global        +--ro virtual-routers?   uint32        +--ro interfaces?        uint32        +--ro statistics           +--ro discontinuity-datetime? yang:date-and-time           +--ro checksum-errors?          yang:counter64           +--ro version-errors?           yang:counter64           +--ro vrid-errors?              yang:counter64           +--ro ip-ttl-errors?            yang:counter64 This naively seems like the wrong place to me, and I think that it would be better to place this either as a top level "vrrp" container, or perhaps put under the routing tree (e.g. /routing/control-plane-protocols/vrrp). I would have thought that putting this directly under the/interfaces-state container would mean that the /interfaces-state container could hold an interleaved mix of interface list entries and the vrrp-global container!?! E.g. I think that with the model the existing design then this following XML would be allowed - cc Martin in case I am wrong :-) eth0 ianaift:ethernetCsmacd down down ... .... eth1 ianaift:ethernetCsmacd up up .... eth1.10 ianaift:l2vlan up up ....   Thanks, Rob On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia Atlas wrote: > As is customary, I have done my AD review of > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to thank the > authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the WG > for their work on this draft.  It is clear and well-written. > > My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I > know that the transformation can be done largely programmatically - > and Acee & Xufeng are quite familiar with the details.  I've also cc'd > Rob Wilton who has some tooling to potentially help. > > From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an > implementation. That implies that the existing model should be in the > appendix. > > I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my > apologies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated. > > Thanks, > Alia --------------796A6F8C8C13CCA941EB4BD5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Alia, authors,

Separately when doing the NMDA conversion on the VRRP module, I noted that it is directly augmenting the "/interfaces-state" container (rather than "/interfaces-state/interface" directly with "VRRP-global" container, which looked a bit odd to me (and broke my conversion tool ;-).

E.g.

  augment /if:interfaces-state:
    +--ro vrrp-global
       +--ro virtual-routers?   uint32
       +--ro interfaces?        uint32
       +--ro statistics
          +--ro discontinuity-datetime?   yang:date-and-time
          +--ro checksum-errors?          yang:counter64
          +--ro version-errors?           yang:counter64
          +--ro vrid-errors?              yang:counter64
          +--ro ip-ttl-errors?            yang:counter64

This naively seems like the wrong place to me, and I think that it would be better to place this either as a top level "vrrp" container, or perhaps put under the routing tree (e.g. /routing/control-plane-protocols/vrrp).

I would have thought that putting this directly under the /interfaces-state container would mean that the /interfaces-state container could hold an interleaved mix of interface list entries and the vrrp-global container!?!

E.g. I think that with the model the existing design then this following XML would be allowed - cc Martin in case I am wrong :-) 

       <interfaces-state
           xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-interfaces"
           xmlns:ianaift="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:iana-if-type">

         <interface>
           <name>eth0</name>
           <type>ianaift:ethernetCsmacd</type>
           <admin-status>down</admin-status>
           <oper-status>down</oper-status>
           ...
         </interface>

         <vrrp-global>
            ....
         </vrrp-global>

         <interface>
           <name>eth1</name>
           <type>ianaift:ethernetCsmacd</type>
           <admin-status>up</admin-status>
           <oper-status>up</oper-status>
           ....
         </interface>

         <interface>
           <name>eth1.10</name>
           <type>ianaift:l2vlan</type>
           <admin-status>up</admin-status>
           <oper-status>up</oper-status>
           ....
         </interface>
     </interfaces-state>

Thanks,
Rob


On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia Atlas wrote:
As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the WG for their work on this draft.  It is clear and well-written.

My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know that the transformation can be done largely programmatically - and Acee & Xufeng are quite familiar with the details.  I've also cc'd Rob Wilton who has some tooling to potentially help.

From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an implementation. That implies that the existing model should be in the appendix.

I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my apologies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated.

Thanks,
Alia

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RIB YANG model converted to NMDA structure attached. Thanks, Rob On 20/09/2017 18:27, Alia Atlas wrote: > As is customary, I have done my AD review of > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04. First, I would like to thank the > authors, Xufeng, Prateek, and Vikram, as well as the WG for their work > on this document. > > My one major issue is that this does not conform to the NMDA > guidelines - where augmenting -state models is not preferred.  It is > quite acceptable to have that in an appendix, if there are > implementations. I do see the shepherd's write-up indicates a partial > implementation exists. > There is some tooling to help convert a model to conform to NMDA; I've > cc'd Rob Wilton, who was working on that. > > I also have some questions. > > 1) For the prefix-set-ref, I don't see any information about what the > string should contain. > > 2) For the route-policy-ref, I don't see any information about what > the string should contain. > > Nits: > a) p.26:"choice auth-type-selection { >                  description >                    "Specify the authentication scheme. >                     The use of the key-chain reference here is >                     designed to align with other proposed protocol >                     models.";" >    Since the key-chain model is approved for RFC publication, the > description can be updated. > > Once the model conforms to the NMDA guidelines, I will be happy to > advance this draft to IETF Last Call. > > Thanks, > Alia --------------7FEAC2530C0E254F4FD986C3 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+0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:04:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Alexander Vainshtein Reply-To: "sasha@axerra.com" To: "stewart.bryant@gmail.com" , "ietf@ietf.org" Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org" , Alexander Vainshtein Message-ID: <1504434564.6993012.1506013496379@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <150593307249.29052.3171114179861444905.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Subject: Re: Last Call: (Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay) to Proposed Standard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6993011_1310060520.1506013496376" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.10521 YahooMailAndroidMobile YMobile/1.0 (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/5.18.2; Android/6.0.1; MMB29M; j5xnlte; samsung; SM-J510MN; 5.2; 1280x720; ) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:05:02 -0000 ------=_Part_6993011_1310060520.1506013496376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,I concur with Stewart regarding a simple advice to the operator. In = most cases a link that goes down will not repair itself without some extern= al intervention. And if we deal with a flapping link, it is a probkem by abd of itself, =C2= =A0and probably should be disabled until the underlying problem is fixed. My 2c,Sasha Vainshtein Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android=20 =20 On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:21, Stewart Bryant w= rote: =20 The draft states that " The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to=20 keep the mechanism simple." Since a link that goes down will normally also come up again, the draft=20 ought to provide some guidance to the operator on how they should handle=20 that situation. Applications that care about the disruption caused by=20 microloops presumably have no care as to whether they are cause by link=20 up or link down, and so would prefer a complete elimination of that=20 disruption. However I accept that complete elimination has wider network=20 impact and that this approach which is really microloop mitigation has=20 utility. The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out of service until a=20 quiet time, or the loss of connectivity has moved to the network to a=20 state of fragility such that disruption is acceptable. - Stewart On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by > introducing a local convergence delay' >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits fin= al > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginnin= g of > the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing p= rotocols >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link = failure. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducin= g a delay >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology= change >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and the network wide convergence. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be = used for >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffi= c between >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the link failure time and the IGP convergence. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in = order to >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 keep the mechanism simple. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Simulations using real network topologies have been performe= d and >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of th= e total >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 forwarding loops. > > > > > > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/ > > The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg =20 ------=_Part_6993011_1310060520.1506013496376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,
I concur with S= tewart regarding a simple advice to the operator. In most cases a link that= goes down will not repair itself without some external intervention.
=

And if we deal with a flapping lin= k, it is a probkem by abd of itself,  and probably should be disabled = until the underlying problem is fixed.

My 2c,

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:21, Stewart Bry= ant
<stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

The draft states that

" The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in o= rder to
keep the mechanism simple."
Since a link that goes down will normally also come up aga= in, the draft
ought to provide some guidance to the oper= ator on how they should handle
that situation. Applicati= ons that care about the disruption caused by
microloops = presumably have no care as to whether they are cause by link
up or link down, and so would prefer a complete elimination of that disruption. However I accept that complete elimination has= wider network
impact and that this approach which is re= ally microloop mitigation has
utility.

The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out o= f service until a
quiet time, or the loss of connectivit= y has moved to the network to a
state of fragility such = that disruption is acceptable.

- Stewa= rt


On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote= :
> The IESG has received a request from the Routing A= rea Working Group WG
> (rtgwg) to consider the followi= ng document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by
> introducing= a local convergence delay'
>    <draft-i= etf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-06.txt> as Proposed Standard
>= ;
> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few = weeks, and solicits final
> comments on this action. P= lease send substantive comments to the
> ietf@ie= tf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may be
> sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case,= please retain the beginning of
> the Subject line to = allow automated sorting.
>
> Abst= ract
>
>
>&n= bsp;   This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing pro= tocols
>    to prevent local transient forw= arding loops in case of link failure.
>    = This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay
>    between the convergence of the node adjacen= t to the topology change
>    and the netwo= rk wide convergence.
>
>  &n= bsp; As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for<= br clear=3D"none">>    planned maintenance or when fast rerou= te protects the traffic between
>    the li= nk failure time and the IGP convergence.
>
>    The proposed mechanism is limited to the link dow= n event in order to
>    keep the mechanism= simple.
>
>    Simula= tions using real network topologies have been performed and
>    show that local loops are a significant portion (>= 50%) of the total
>    forwarding loops.>
>
>
>
>
> The file can b= e obtained via
> http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/
>
> IESG discussion can be tracked via
> https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/
&= gt;
> The following IPR Declarations may be related to= this I-D:
>
>    https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/
>
>
>
>
>

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Dear authors, please publish the updated draft ASAP. Thanks! Jeff -----Original Message----- From: rtgwg on behalf of Robert Wilton Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 08:01 To: Alia Atlas , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04 So the conversion tool has worked OK on the RIP model as well, but I spotted a few areas where manual conversion is required (because the types/structure between config and state differ): So along with the revision date, and a few FIX ME comments, the following few places also need to be manually tweaked/fixed: rwilton@rwilton-lnx:~/ietf-models-to-combined/draft_modules$ pyang -f tree --ietf ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang > ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.tree.txt ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:1: warning: unexpected modulename "ietf-rip" in ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang, should be ietf-rip-nmda ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:1: warning: unexpected latest revision "2017-06-05" in ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang, should be 2017-09-21 ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:740: error: unexpected keyword "type" <- Means that config and state type differ. ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:761: error: unexpected keyword "type" <- Means that config and state type differ. ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:818: error: there is already a child node to "interface" at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:636 with the name "originate-default-route" defined at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:731 (at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:141) <- Trying to merge an "originate-default-route" leaf from the state tree with the "originate-default-route" container in the equivalent config tree. RIB YANG model converted to NMDA structure attached. Thanks, Rob On 20/09/2017 18:27, Alia Atlas wrote: > As is customary, I have done my AD review of > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04. First, I would like to thank the > authors, Xufeng, Prateek, and Vikram, as well as the WG for their work > on this document. > > My one major issue is that this does not conform to the NMDA > guidelines - where augmenting -state models is not preferred. It is > quite acceptable to have that in an appendix, if there are > implementations. I do see the shepherd's write-up indicates a partial > implementation exists. > There is some tooling to help convert a model to conform to NMDA; I've > cc'd Rob Wilton, who was working on that. > > I also have some questions. > > 1) For the prefix-set-ref, I don't see any information about what the > string should contain. > > 2) For the route-policy-ref, I don't see any information about what > the string should contain. > > Nits: > a) p.26:"choice auth-type-selection { > description > "Specify the authentication scheme. > The use of the key-chain reference here is > designed to align with other proposed protocol > models.";" > Since the key-chain model is approved for RFC publication, the > description can be updated. > > Once the model conforms to the NMDA guidelines, I will be happy to > advance this draft to IETF Last Call. > > Thanks, > Alia _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Thu Sep 21 17:00:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B24132331; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:00:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fE7ezfKQl9DZ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x236.google.com (mail-pg0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E9601243F6; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x236.google.com with SMTP id u18so4389576pgo.0; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:references :in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=5PqG6B/VbKh8xVOAQVlcv69DTqza8PcukOVYFChc+dY=; b=AGWJB7nnXAIXQ0TuWOXH5asH5zXJtW9rspB8T9GefcfqL1VjjlvYTSab4o+Of4st6a EdUmO/J6W2WKwo427sAl/Gt3MKwh2hLiWL5zl71Yn71F0fPxaLa/mb+HwFSjNX/BbiPK aZMSY6U4kQEkSD9tUvhkBzbx+DKUsDQxLkv+5UmvbPfYPpx110nUFoqStsXDcEzGs48y hD3awzU6XMFkIzAq4C/mo4VTNEGODeHI9eVpWaLYoq9J734Hg+w/lPUFDwnaJKLgg1uy fz8aMExbRi8T46MCmBPVmgpHDtp+7NGDmroLwWeOdA94WWa3+z7O2W+mqP+e3fdZeYmV fj+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id :thread-topic:references:in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=5PqG6B/VbKh8xVOAQVlcv69DTqza8PcukOVYFChc+dY=; b=tTRqTy0P9UaIbNBm3PoCnn/yqdu4YWFiFsXyT9IPfE5JkUynCTabFKtFiiMJpJT8mf 28lVfKfdvgz/o351IcDaCBdoOQXAHfC6+Q7m+r5XtB9ttV8zCpPqs3m7411TXdLVO4cE WKiWjjt4iDgXwtDsbKQE7Pxsm21Tec0+COuz9CZK8L9uwqCahFmnQqgF8Y08WFjGhiVO IpdYwqJDtBQmXNSFucrv+pcUEeC4PBY+j4cuJeE6NxCrciFAdUp8LsGLqycC2CiFvkw7 NeSOn8ZgZq/PCPm5q3ZLmAVyhdC0EpFNnWbHp1BIMHWLslzKDmQ16Um79dddShizrRXC xdEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUjiQyg5v1J/FVzKkgbdr7gRh+z3LRweplXLJXLOk2Xc7Xi3wjdk l+KCG8OI+i2YCvn/HFAhZf4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QC+T7FtcNT9yINq5uXFFt5+hPmegnrwic3Co0WSSFXWh5v8PFZaB8/b08IhCufnvxkJ9GiFgw== X-Received: by 10.99.3.9 with SMTP id 9mr7374224pgd.205.1506038406769; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.254.104] (107-1-141-74-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [107.1.141.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t25sm4790428pfe.96.2017.09.21.17.00.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:00:06 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.26.0.170902 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:00:05 -0700 Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Robert Wilton , Alia Atlas , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , , Martin Bjorklund Message-ID: <397F9C78-8915-405E-9854-7D56E8022293@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 References: <21abf650-463e-bc0b-0970-01ae9291525d@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <21abf650-463e-bc0b-0970-01ae9291525d@cisco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3588858006_869181290" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 00:00:09 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3588858006_869181290 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rob! =20 Dear authors, please publish the updated draft ASAP. =20 Thanks!=20 Jeff From: rtgwg on behalf of Robert Wilton Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 07:23 To: Alia Atlas , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , , Martin Bjorklund Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04 =20 Hi Alia, authors, Separately when doing the NMDA conversion on the VRRP module, I noted that = it is directly augmenting the "/interfaces-state" container (rather than "/i= nterfaces-state/interface" directly with "VRRP-global" container, which look= ed a bit odd to me (and broke my conversion tool ;-). E.g.=20 augment /if:interfaces-state: +--ro vrrp-global +--ro virtual-routers? uint32 +--ro interfaces? uint32 +--ro statistics +--ro discontinuity-datetime? yang:date-and-time +--ro checksum-errors? yang:counter64 +--ro version-errors? yang:counter64 +--ro vrid-errors? yang:counter64 +--ro ip-ttl-errors? yang:counter64 This naively seems like the wrong place to me, and I think that it would be= better to place this either as a top level "vrrp" container, or perhaps put= under the routing tree (e.g. /routing/control-plane-protocols/vrrp). I would have thought that putting this directly under the /interfaces-state= container would mean that the /interfaces-state container could hold an int= erleaved mix of interface list entries and the vrrp-global container!?! E.g. I think that with the model the existing design then this following XM= L would be allowed - cc Martin in case I am wrong :-)=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 eth0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ianaift:ethernetCsmacd =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 down =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0down =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ... =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .... =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 eth1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ianaift:ethernetCsmacd =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 up =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 up =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .... =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 eth1.10 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ianaift:l2vlan =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 up =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 up =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 .... =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks, Rob =20 On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia Atlas wrote: As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04.= First, I would like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,an= d Mingui, as well as the WG for their work on this draft. It is clear and w= ell-written.=20 =20 My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know tha= t the transformation can be done largely programmatically - and Acee & Xufen= g are quite familiar with the details. I've also cc'd Rob Wilton who has so= me tooling to potentially help. =20 >From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an implementation. T= hat implies that the existing model should be in the appendix. =20 I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my apolog= ies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated. =20 Thanks, Alia _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ie= tf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg=20 --B_3588858006_869181290 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Thank= s Rob!

 

Dear authors,

please publish the updated draft ASAP.

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks! 

Jeff

From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Robert Wilton = <rwilton@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 07= :23
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>, "rtgwg@ietf.org= " <rtgwg@ietf.org>, <draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org>, = Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
Subject: Re: AD review of = draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04

 

Hi Alia, authors,

Separat= ely when doing the NMDA conversion on the VRRP module, I noted that it is di= rectly augmenting the "/interfaces-s= tate" container (rather than "/interfaces-state/interface" directly with "= ;VRRP-global" container, which looked a bit odd to me (and broke my con= version tool ;-).

E.g. =

  au= gment /if:interfaces-state:
    +--ro vrrp-global<= br>       +--ro virtual-routers? &nbs= p; uint32
       +--ro interfaces?=         uint32
  &n= bsp;    +--ro statistics
    =       +--ro discontinuity-datetime?   yan= g:date-and-time
        =   +--ro checksum-errors?        = ;  yang:counter64
       = ;   +--ro version-errors?       = ;    yang:counter64
     = ;     +--ro vrid-errors?     &n= bsp;        yang:counter64
&n= bsp;         +--ro ip-ttl-errors?&nb= sp;           yang:counter= 64

This naively seems = like the wrong place to me, and I think that it would be better to place thi= s either as a top level "vrrp" container, or perhaps put under the= routing tree (e.g. /routing/control-plan= e-protocols/vrrp).

I w= ould have thought that putting this directly under the /interfaces-state container would mean that the /interfaces-state container cou= ld hold an interleaved mix of interface list entries and the vrrp-global con= tainer!?!

E.g. I think that with t= he model the existing design then this following XML would be allowed - cc M= artin in case I am wrong :-) 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<interfaces-state
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:=
yang:ietf-interfaces"
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 xmlns:ianaift=3D"u=
rn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:iana-if-type">
 
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <interface>
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terface>
 
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Thanks,
Rob=

 =

On 20/09/2017 17:35, Al=
ia Atlas wrote:
As is cust=
omary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I w=
ould like to thank the authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, a=
s well as the WG for their work on this draft.  It is clear and well-wr=
itten. 
=
 
My on=
e issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know that the =
transformation can be done largely programmatically - and Acee & Xufeng =
are quite familiar with the details.  I've also cc'd Rob Wilton who has=
 some tooling to potentially help.
 
From the shepherd's report, I understand that th=
ere is an implementation. That implies that the existing model should be in =
the appendix.
 
I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my =
apologies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated.
 
Thanks,
Alia=

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Xufeng,

Thank you very much. I'd like to get this through before next IETF - which
means around a 3 week cycle,
with IETF Last Call for 2 weeks & then needing to be timed for the telechat.

Regards,
Alia

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Xufeng Liu  wrote:

> Thanks to Alia for the review the comments.
> Thanks to Rob for putting the model through the conversion tool, and
> providing the suggestions.
>
> We will update the model soon.
>
> Regards,
> - Xufeng
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:57 PM
> > To: Robert Wilton ; Alia Atlas ;
> > rtgwg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04
> >
> > Thanks Rob!
> >
> > Dear authors,
> > please publish the updated draft ASAP.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jeff
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rtgwg  on behalf of Robert Wilton
> > 
> > Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 08:01
> > To: Alia Atlas , "rtgwg@ietf.org" ,
> > 
> > Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04
> >
> >     So the conversion tool has worked OK on the RIP model as well, but I
> >     spotted a few areas where manual conversion is required (because the
> >     types/structure between config and state differ):
> >
> >     So along with the revision date, and a few FIX ME comments, the
> >     following few places also need to be manually tweaked/fixed:
> >
> >     rwilton@rwilton-lnx:~/ietf-models-to-combined/draft_modules$ pyang
> -f
> >     tree --ietf ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang >
> >     ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.tree.txt
> >     ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:1: warning: unexpected modulename
> >     "ietf-rip" in ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang, should be ietf-rip-nmda
> >     ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:1: warning: unexpected latest revision
> >     "2017-06-05" in ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang, should be 2017-09-21
> >     ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:740: error: unexpected keyword "type"
> >     <- Means that config and state type differ.
> >
> >     ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:761: error: unexpected keyword "type"
> >     <- Means that config and state type differ.
> >
> >     ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:818: error: there is already a child
> node
> >     to "interface" at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:636 with the name
> >     "originate-default-route" defined at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:
> 731
> >     (at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:141)
> >     <- Trying to merge an "originate-default-route" leaf from the state
> tree
> >     with the "originate-default-route" container in the equivalent
> config tree.
> >
> >     RIB YANG model converted to NMDA structure attached.
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >     Rob
> >
> >
> >     On 20/09/2017 18:27, Alia Atlas wrote:
> >     > As is customary, I have done my AD review of
> >     > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04. First, I would like to thank the
> >     > authors, Xufeng, Prateek, and Vikram, as well as the WG for their
> work
> >     > on this document.
> >     >
> >     > My one major issue is that this does not conform to the NMDA
> >     > guidelines - where augmenting -state models is not preferred.  It
> is
> >     > quite acceptable to have that in an appendix, if there are
> >     > implementations. I do see the shepherd's write-up indicates a
> partial
> >     > implementation exists.
> >     > There is some tooling to help convert a model to conform to NMDA;
> I've
> >     > cc'd Rob Wilton, who was working on that.
> >     >
> >     > I also have some questions.
> >     >
> >     > 1) For the prefix-set-ref, I don't see any information about what
> the
> >     > string should contain.
> >     >
> >     > 2) For the route-policy-ref, I don't see any information about what
> >     > the string should contain.
> >     >
> >     > Nits:
> >     > a) p.26:"choice auth-type-selection {
> >     >                  description
> >     >                    "Specify the authentication scheme.
> >     >                     The use of the key-chain reference here is
> >     >                     designed to align with other proposed protocol
> >     >                     models.";"
> >     >    Since the key-chain model is approved for RFC publication, the
> >     > description can be updated.
> >     >
> >     > Once the model conforms to the NMDA guidelines, I will be happy to
> >     > advance this draft to IETF Last Call.
> >     >
> >     > Thanks,
> >     > Alia
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     rtgwg mailing list
> >     rtgwg@ietf.org
> >     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg
> >
> >
>
>

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Xufeng,

Thank you very much. I'd li=
ke to get this through before next IETF - which means around a 3 week cycle=
,
with IETF Last Call for 2 weeks & then needing to be timed =
for the telechat.

Regards,
Alia

On Fri, Sep 22=
, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Xufeng Liu <Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com> wrot=
e:
Thanks to Alia for the review the comm=
ents.

Thanks to Rob for putting the model through the conversion tool, and provid=
ing the suggestions.



We will update the model soon.



Regards,

- Xufeng




> -----Original Message-----

> From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:57 PM

> To: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cis=
co.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas=
@gmail.com>;

> rtgwg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.o=
rg

> Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04

>

> Thanks Rob!

>

> Dear authors,

> please publish the updated draft ASAP.

>

> Thanks!

> Jeff

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounce=
s@ietf.org> on behalf of Robert Wilton

> <rwilton@cisco.com>

> Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 08:01

> To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.=
com>, "rtgwg@ietf.org&quo=
t; <rtgwg@ietf.org>,

> <draft-ietf-r=
tgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org>

> Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0So the conversion tool has worked OK on the RIP mod=
el as well, but I

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0spotted a few areas where manual conversion is requ=
ired (because the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0types/structure between config and state differ):
>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0So along with the revision date, and a few FIX ME c=
omments, the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0following few places also need to be manually tweak=
ed/fixed:

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rwilton@rwilton-lnx:~/ietf-models-to-combined/=
draft_modules$ pyang -f

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0tree --ietf ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang >

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.tree.txt

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:1: warning: unex=
pected modulename

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"ietf-rip" in ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.ya=
ng, should be ietf-rip-nmda

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:1: warning: unex=
pected latest revision

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"2017-06-05" in ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.=
yang, should be 2017-09-21

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:740: error: unex=
pected keyword "type"

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<- Means that config and state type differ.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:761: error: unex=
pected keyword "type"

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<- Means that config and state type differ.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:818: error: ther=
e is already a child node

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to "interface" at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-2=
1.yang:636 with the name

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"originate-default-route" defined at ietf=
-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:731

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(at ietf-rip-nmda@2017-09-21.yang:141)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<- Trying to merge an "originate-default-ro=
ute" leaf from the state tree

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the "originate-default-route" contai=
ner in the equivalent config tree.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RIB YANG model converted to NMDA structure attached=
.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rob

>

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 20/09/2017 18:27, Alia Atlas wrote:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> As is customary, I have done my AD review of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-04. First, I would l=
ike to thank the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> authors, Xufeng, Prateek, and Vikram, as well =
as the WG for their work

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> on this document.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> My one major issue is that this does not confo=
rm to the NMDA

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> guidelines - where augmenting -state models is=
 not preferred.=C2=A0 It is

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> quite acceptable to have that in an appendix, =
if there are

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> implementations. I do see the shepherd's w=
rite-up indicates a partial

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> implementation exists.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> There is some tooling to help convert a model =
to conform to NMDA; I've

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> cc'd Rob Wilton, who was working on that.<=
br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I also have some questions.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1) For the prefix-set-ref, I don't see any=
 information about what the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> string should contain.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2) For the route-policy-ref, I don't see a=
ny information about what

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the string should contain.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Nits:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> a) p.26:"choice auth-type-selection {

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Specify the authentication scheme.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The use of the key-chain reference here is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0designed to align with other proposed protoc=
ol

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0models.";"

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Since the key-chain model is appr=
oved for RFC publication, the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> description can be updated.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Once the model conforms to the NMDA guidelines=
, I will be happy to

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> advance this draft to IETF Last Call.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Thanks,

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Alia

>

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Xufeng,

Thank you very much. I'd like to get this through before next IETF - which
means around a 3 week cycle,
with IETF Last Call for 2 weeks & then needing to be timed for the telechat.

Regards,
Alia

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Xufeng Liu  wrote:

> Thanks to Alia for the review, and Rob for the comments.
>
>
>
> We will update the model soon.
>
>
>
> As for the vrrp-global container, I think that we will move it to a
> different location, since if:interfaces-state is deprecated in the NMDA
> compatible model.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Xufeng
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 8:00 PM
> *To:* Robert Wilton ; Alia Atlas ;
> rtgwg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org; Martin Bjorklund <
> mbj@tail-f.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04
>
>
>
> Thanks Rob!
>
>
>
> Dear authors,
>
> please publish the updated draft ASAP.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff
>
> *From: *rtgwg  on behalf of Robert Wilton <
> rwilton@cisco.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 07:23
> *To: *Alia Atlas , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , <
> draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org>, Martin Bjorklund 
> *Subject: *Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04
>
>
>
> Hi Alia, authors,
>
> Separately when doing the NMDA conversion on the VRRP module, I noted that
> it is directly augmenting the "/interfaces-state" container (rather than "
> /interfaces-state/interface" directly with "VRRP-global" container, which
> looked a bit odd to me (and broke my conversion tool ;-).
>
> E.g.
>
>   augment /if:interfaces-state:
>     +--ro vrrp-global
>        +--ro virtual-routers?   uint32
>        +--ro interfaces?        uint32
>        +--ro statistics
>           +--ro discontinuity-datetime?   yang:date-and-time
>           +--ro checksum-errors?          yang:counter64
>           +--ro version-errors?           yang:counter64
>           +--ro vrid-errors?              yang:counter64
>           +--ro ip-ttl-errors?            yang:counter64
>
> This naively seems like the wrong place to me, and I think that it would
> be better to place this either as a top level "vrrp" container, or perhaps
> put under the routing tree (e.g. /routing/control-plane-protocols/vrrp).
>
> I would have thought that putting this directly under the
> /interfaces-state container would mean that the /interfaces-state
> container could hold an interleaved mix of interface list entries and the
> vrrp-global container!?!
>
> E.g. I think that with the model the existing design then this following
> XML would be allowed - cc Martin in case I am wrong :-)
>
>        
>            xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-interfaces"
>
>            xmlns:ianaift="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:iana-if-type">
>
>
>
>          
>
>            eth0
>
>            ianaift:ethernetCsmacd
>
>            down
>
>            down
>
>            ...
>
>          
>
>
>
>          
>
>             ....
>
>          
>
>
>
>          
>
>            eth1
>
>            ianaift:ethernetCsmacd
>
>            up
>
>            up
>
>            ....
>
>          
>
>
>
>          
>
>            eth1.10
>
>            ianaift:l2vlan
>
>            up
>
>            up
>
>            ....
>
>          
>
>      
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
>
> On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia Atlas wrote:
>
> As is customary, I have done my AD review of
> draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to thank the authors,
> Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the WG for their work
> on this draft.  It is clear and well-written.
>
>
>
> My one issue is that it does not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know
> that the transformation can be done largely programmatically - and Acee &
> Xufeng are quite familiar with the details.  I've also cc'd Rob Wilton who
> has some tooling to potentially help.
>
>
>
> From the shepherd's report, I understand that there is an implementation.
> That implies that the existing model should be in the appendix.
>
>
>
> I would be delighted to forward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my
> apologies for the long delay in review) after it has been updated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alia
>
>
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Xufeng,

Thank you very much. I'd lik=
e to get this through before next IETF - which means around a 3 week cycle,=

with IETF Last Call for 2 weeks & then needing to be timed f=
or the telechat.

Regards,
Alia

On =
Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Xufeng Liu <Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com><=
/span> wrote:











Thanks to Alia for the review, and Rob for the comme=
nts.


=C2=A0


We will update the model soon.


=C2=A0


As for the vrrp-global container, I think that we wi=
ll move it to a different location, since if:interfaces-state is deprecated=
 in the NMDA compatible model.


=C2=A0


Thanks,


- Xufeng


=C2=A0








From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com] 

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 8:00 PM

To: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>; rtgwg@ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-=
vrrp@ietf.org; Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>


Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04






=C2=A0


Thanks Rob!<=
u>


=C2=A0


Dear authors,


please publish the =
updated draft ASAP.


=C2=A0


Thanks!=C2=A0


Jeff<=
/span>




From:
rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org=
> on behalf of Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com>

Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 07:23

To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>, <draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@=
ietf.org>,
 Martin Bjorklund <m=
bj@tail-f.com>

Subject: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04






=C2=A0




Hi Alia, authors,


Separately when doing the NMDA conversion on =
the VRRP module, I noted that it is directly augmenting the "/interfaces-state" container (=
rather than "/interfaces-state/in=
terface"
 directly with "VRRP-global" container, which looked a bit odd to=
 me (and broke my conversion tool ;-).


E.g. 


=C2=A0 a=
ugment /if:interfaces-state:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro vrrp-global

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro virtual-routers?=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 uint32

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro interfaces?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 uint32

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro statistics

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro discontinu=
ity-datetime?=C2=A0=C2=A0 yang:date-and-time

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro checksum-e=
rrors?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 yang:counter64=


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro version-er=
rors?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 yang:coun=
ter64

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro vrid-error=
s?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 yang:counter64

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--ro ip-ttl-err=
ors?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 yang=
:counter64


This naively seems like the wrong place to me=
, and I think that it would be better to place this either as a top level &=
quot;vrrp" container, or perhaps put under the routing tree (e.g.
/routing/control-plane-protocols/=
vrrp).


I would have thought that putting this direct=
ly under the /interfaces-state
container would mean that the /interfaces-state container could hold an interleaved mix o=
f interface list entries and the vrrp-global container!?!


E.g. I think that with the model the existing=
 design then this following XML would be allowed - cc Martin in case I am w=
rong :-)



=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<interfaces-state


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params=
:xml:ns:yang:ietf-interfaces"


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 xmlns:ianaift=3D"urn:iet=
f:params:xml:ns:yang:iana-if-type"><=
/span>


=C2=A0


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <interface>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <name>eth0</name>=



=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <type>ianaift:ethernetC=
smacd</type>


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <admin-status>down</=
admin-status>


 =C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<oper-status>down<=
/oper-status>


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ...

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </interface>

=C2=A0


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <vrrp-global><=
/pre>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ....


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </vrrp-global>=



=C2=A0


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <interface>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <name>eth1</name>=



=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <type>ianaift:ethernetC=
smacd</type>


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <admin-status>up</ad=
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On 20/09/2017 17:35, Alia=
 Atlas wrote:








As is customary, I have d=
one my AD review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-04. First, I would like to t=
hank the authors, Xufeng, Athanasios, Ravi, Acee,and Mingui, as well as the=
 WG for their work on this draft.=C2=A0 It
 is clear and well-written. 




=C2=A0






My one issue is that it d=
oes not conform to the NMDA guidelines. I know that the transformation can =
be done largely programmatically - and Acee & Xufeng are quite familiar=
 with the details.=C2=A0 I've also cc'd Rob Wilton
 who has some tooling to potentially help.






=C2=A0






From the shepherd's r=
eport, I understand that there is an implementation. That implies that the =
existing model should be in the appendix.






=C2=A0






I would be delighted to f=
orward this draft to IETF Last Call (and my apologies for the long delay in=
 review) after it has been updated.






=C2=A0






Thanks,






Alia










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Reviewer: Roni Even
Review result: Ready with Nits

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
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Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-??
Reviewer: Roni Even
Review Date: 2017-09-27
IETF LC End Date: 2017-10-04
IESG Telechat date: 2017-10-12

Summary:
The document is ready for publication as a standard track RFC with nits

Major issues:

Minor issues:

Nits/editorial comments:

1. Abbreviation like RIB and FIB are not expanded
2. In section 9.1 "more simple" should be "simpler"
3. In section 9.1 " does not enough provide enough bandwidth"  to " does not
provide enough bandwidth" 4. In section 9.2 "a mechanism where the convergence
of the  network upon a topology change is made ordered to prevent transient
forwarding loops"  is difficult to read maybe "a mechanism where the
convergence of the network upon a topology change is ordered in order to
prevent transient forwarding loops"



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Yes, I admit it is tricky, but I think that we have to be honest with 
the reader, since as we both agree this only solves part of the problem.

Incremental metrics is certainly one local solution that can be 
deployed, and if the metric of the link is low that need not take many 
cycles to complete.

The key point for me is that the text needs to describe the shortfall of 
the solution, and whilst ideally it should provide mitigation if it 
cannot do that, it needs to be clear on the consequences of not 
providing it so that those not schooled in the detail of IPFRR 
understand what will happen to their network when they deploy this.

Something that Benoit has been encouraging people to write for a while 
is an Operational  Considerations section, which would be an ideal place 
to put this discussion.

- Stewart



On 27/09/2017 09:19, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:
> Hi Stewart,
>
> Thanks for your comment.
> Managing the link up is more tricky than the link down. We had a proposal to tweak the flooding in the first versions of the draft but there was not a good support of that as it touches an important component of the protocol, so it was removed to keep the solution simple but yes it reduces the benefit.
>
> There is nothing that we can really do to prevent the impact of the link up. Even if the operator implements an interface dampening mechanism to ensure that the link is stable, the link will eventually goes up and may create a microloop.
> Now keeping the link down until a quiet time is theorically doable but practically it is not. When a link is down, there are two situations: the operator has lost some capacity that leads to a congestion somewhere or if there is no congestion, the network becomes at risk as if another component fails, there will be not enough capacity. So practically, we want the link to go back up as soon as possible.
>
> Other approaches like using "incremental" metrics may be used for the up case to prevent the uloop.
>
>
> Brgds,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 10:21
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Cc: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; akatlas@gmail.com; draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Last Call:  (Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay) to Proposed Standard
>
>
> The draft states that
>
> " The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to keep the mechanism simple."
>
> Since a link that goes down will normally also come up again, the draft ought to provide some guidance to the operator on how they should handle that situation. Applications that care about the disruption caused by microloops presumably have no care as to whether they are cause by link up or link down, and so would prefer a complete elimination of that disruption. However I accept that complete elimination has wider network impact and that this approach which is really microloop mitigation has utility.
>
> The advice might be as simple as keeping the link out of service until a quiet time, or the loss of connectivity has moved to the network to a state of fragility such that disruption is acceptable.
>
> - Stewart
>
>
> On 20/09/2017 19:44, The IESG wrote:
>> The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG
>> (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention
>> by introducing a local convergence delay'
>>      as Proposed Standard
>>
>> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
>> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-04. Exceptionally, comments may
>> be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
>> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>>
>> Abstract
>>
>>
>>      This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols
>>      to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure.
>>      This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay
>>      between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology change
>>      and the network wide convergence.
>>
>>      As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for
>>      planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic between
>>      the link failure time and the IGP convergence.
>>
>>      The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to
>>      keep the mechanism simple.
>>
>>      Simulations using real network topologies have been performed and
>>      show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of the total
>>      forwarding loops.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The file can be obtained via
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/
>>
>> IESG discussion can be tracked via
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ballot/
>>
>> The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:
>>
>>      https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2565/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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        Title           : YANG Network Instances
        Authors         : Lou Berger
                          Christan Hopps
                          Acee Lindem
                          Dean Bogdanovic
                          Xufeng Liu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-04.txt
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	Date            : 2017-09-27

Abstract:
   This document defines a network instance module.  This module can be
   used to manage the virtual resource partitioning that may be present
   on a network device.  Examples of common industry terms for virtual
   resource partitioning are Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF)
   instances and Virtual Switch Instances (VSIs).


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        Title           : YANG Logical Network Elements
        Authors         : Lou Berger
                          Christan Hopps
                          Acee Lindem
                          Dean Bogdanovic
                          Xufeng Liu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-04.txt
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Abstract:
   This document defines a logical network element module.  This module
   can be used to manage the logical resource partitioning that may be
   present on a network device.  Examples of common industry terms for
   logical resource partitioning are Logical Systems or Logical Routers.


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FYI -

This version aligns the draft with schema-mount-07, in particular it
adds containers for mount points and adds an example using the new xpath
semantics.


On 9/27/2017 10:53 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : YANG Network Instances
>         Authors         : Lou Berger
>                           Christan Hopps
>                           Acee Lindem
>                           Dean Bogdanovic
>                           Xufeng Liu
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-04.txt
> 	Pages           : 32
> 	Date            : 2017-09-27
>
> Abstract:
>    This document defines a network instance module.  This module can be
>    used to manage the virtual resource partitioning that may be present
>    on a network device.  Examples of common industry terms for virtual
>    resource partitioning are Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF)
>    instances and Virtual Switch Instances (VSIs).
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FYI -

This version aligns the draft with schema-mount-07, in particular it
adds containers for mount points and some clarification language.


On 9/27/2017 10:53 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : YANG Logical Network Elements
>         Authors         : Lou Berger
>                           Christan Hopps
>                           Acee Lindem
>                           Dean Bogdanovic
>                           Xufeng Liu
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-04.txt
> 	Pages           : 48
> 	Date            : 2017-09-27
>
> Abstract:
>    This document defines a logical network element module.  This module
>    can be used to manage the logical resource partitioning that may be
>    present on a network device.  Examples of common industry terms for
>    logical resource partitioning are Logical Systems or Logical Routers.
>
>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types
        Authors         : Xufeng Liu
                          Yingzhen Qu
                          Acee Lindem
                          Christian Hopps
                          Lou Berger
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-15.txt
	Pages           : 37
	Date            : 2017-09-29

Abstract:
   This document defines a collection of common data types using the
   YANG data modeling language.  These derived common types are designed
   to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area.


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        Title           : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP)
        Authors         : Xufeng Liu
                          Athanasios Kyparlis
                          Ravi Parikh
                          Acee Lindem
                          Mingui Zhang
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	Pages           : 68
	Date            : 2017-09-30

Abstract:
   This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy
   Protocol (VRRP).  Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered.


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        Title           : A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)
        Authors         : Xufeng Liu
                          Prateek Sarda
                          Vikram Choudhary
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-05.txt
	Pages           : 73
	Date            : 2017-09-30

Abstract:
   This document describes a data model for the Routing Information
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