From nobody Wed Oct 4 11:34:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C640713431C; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75qnsy77IoUV; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66FAF132D89; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id d10so12097489lfg.11; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 11:34:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LgPEIBxx2gcKEXNexU8o5J5czDQFN3QzZyC+eKmZxHo=; b=NjHdGjaT233taLipE/KnrowGxWkjJVCCO6AW+XIr0B5gUnd7ct1oiB2Rki/pw5a+en 5T4Mnul3C+se+M2S+ZSXxTgPZy6td96jlEJTxu4P/kJb11Yxp+7Hzs3UYLGwDP3SGddk knTxX0iWNcs0izGNqToXVKvm8MD4UYD1IZpIrwUxix3J1p0RZw50B4jD46zhuSGQO1f9 ek+CchnDNZKekdO96LpnewypwdHZfcauhEIhjGzdrUw/gN5Xdfu+udtqFMZm578CI4IN HCnzHBiJYSrunq9j9tUAlx+2mgLUpUigbovVutH5DjOGnpV8o059q2yTeOMPqN52KFTi Ig9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=LgPEIBxx2gcKEXNexU8o5J5czDQFN3QzZyC+eKmZxHo=; b=jtiC94UhqT7OOjmklBUL42F8R6Zsm7TopLyONtZQs61iRTKcOTLYf0ksFQfNtEwWP3 gxsJe7QriRJM6KItcbczRpQEES60qKT7G9QIQpeGVzDKQmvHv07++iSw3KxNTd1rANxc 4LC/Eo878bmpAGhUZ3xRBPxkMteEEDPQPTDvJPyxEpK0XQ0J44U/K9Ewcsb7qDyKSqPg NZLXXkUnyS4Y9TReeOwy3/QyncveIRhTfZcSuyGmx3T6xjyZ4ZXF3waEqcDMVC4ZFCy9 t/eJXCl0C+AxwUUug6bazDt69QdW2jP6vdtG/bgzAkV05ybwfes5bojO9lI7FxZv753l WZ9g== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUWa1rZjLa3zzlYkUhuq2vJJv9fkwyWIlwCk9guNASAtTUZikYa v8FoYHT0hY8uS2e0Rdmw51Iqtt44UCLRpKOiseD8aw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDH0azEA65RHGg3yy7UuIBjuaH2gwIVXLFA4Jg+ZQswTv2BAyawOL3/18h3+1lHpNXyEkQRmSQwS6lKIGH9OEY= X-Received: by 10.25.92.16 with SMTP id q16mr5393990lfb.57.1507142041216; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 11:34:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.3.10 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <150713877625.24252.7793334744657814555.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <150713877625.24252.7793334744657814555.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01.txt To: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0d8ea8fe2ba9055abcd9cf" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 18:34:06 -0000 --94eb2c0d8ea8fe2ba9055abcd9cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, updates to the draft include the new mechanism to use VRRP control message to bootstrap p2mp BFD session within given VRID domain. To the best of our knowledge and understanding the current mechanism defined in the draft is sufficiently different from IPR disclosure https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/. Appreciate your comments, questions. Regards, Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:39 AM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01.txt To: Gregory Mirsky , Jeff Tantsura < jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> A new version of I-D, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case Revision: 01 Title: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Multi-point Networks and Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) Use Case Document date: 2017-10-03 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 6 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp- vrrp-use-case-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp- vrrp-use-case/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp- use-case-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mirsky-bfd- p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp- vrrp-use-case-01 Abstract: This document discusses use of Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for multi-point networks to provide Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) with sub-second Master convergence and defines the extension to bootstrap point-to-multipoint BFD session. Hello, your help with manual posting of this draft is greatly appreciated. Both authors changed their affiliation and cannot confirm submission through regular process. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thank you in advance for your help. Regards, Greg Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --94eb2c0d8ea8fe2ba9055abcd9cf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
updates to the draft include the new mechani= sm to use VRRP control message to bootstrap p2mp BFD session within given V= RID domain. To the best of our knowledge and understanding the current mech= anism defined in the draft is sufficiently different from IPR disclosure=C2= =A0https://datatracker.i= etf.org/ipr/2739/.

Appreciate your comments, q= uestions.

Regards,
Greg

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From: <= b class=3D"gmail_sendername"> <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Date: W= ed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:39 AM
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-= mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01.txt
To: Gregory Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>, Jeff Tantsura &= lt;jefftant.ietf@gmail.com&g= t;



A new version of I-D, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01.txt
has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the
IETF repository.

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Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 6
URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mi= rsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01.txt
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case/
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Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01
Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-mirsky-b= fd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-01

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document discusses use of Bidirectional Forwarding Detect= ion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(BFD) for multi-point networks to provide Virtual Router Redun= dancy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Protocol (VRRP) with sub-second Master convergence and defines= the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0extension to bootstrap point-to-multipoint BFD session.


Hello,
your help with manual posting of this draft is greatly appreciated. Both au= thors changed their affiliation and cannot confirm submission through regul= ar process.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Greg

Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat


--94eb2c0d8ea8fe2ba9055abcd9cf-- From nobody Wed Oct 4 15:08:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA051344D7; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:08:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melinda Shore To: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-06 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150715491656.6673.6134344241640965386@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 15:08:36 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 22:08:36 -0000 Reviewer: Melinda Shore Review result: Has Nits This document describes a mechanism to mitigate against failures stemming from the formation of "microloops" during a re-routing convergence, as described in RFC 5715. Modulo some mechanical problems with language usage (i.e. grammatical errors) and some missing definitions, the document clearly describes the problem it is addressing and the proposed solution. The security considerations section is very clear about why the authors believe no new attacks are introduced by this mechanism, and it is credible Sections 4 and 5 represent the core of the document and are very clear - a very nice piece of specification. It would be helpful to have a terminology section, or to expand some of the acronyms in-line (LFA, for example). For some reason the grammatical errors are clustered towards the front of the document but there are many scattered throughout: Section 1, first paragraph singular/plural mismatch: "Based on network analysis, local failure make up a significant portion of the micro-forwarding loops" Section 1, second paragraph unidiomatic use of "the topology" Section 2, first paragraph unidiomatic use of "high damages" Section 2.1, first paragraph needs an article on "IGP shortcut" Same paragraph, doesn't need an article on "the router C" Same paragraph, "nexthop" should be two words Item 1 in 2.1, needs an article before "preprogrammed FRR path", also run-on sentence needs to be split or a conjunction inserted Item 3 in 2.1, "no more" should be "no longer", and "encapsulate anymore" should be "does not continue to encapsulate" Section 2.1, last paragraph: "The protection enabled by fast-reroute is working perfectly, but ensures a protection, by definition, only until the PLR has converged." is somewhat unclear Section 3, third paragraph: first comma is unnecessary. Also, "local only" should be "local-only" Section 8.2, first paragraph: "associating timing" should be "associated timing". Also in section 8.2, the message chart header is separated from the actual contents by a page break, and that should be remedied Section 8.3, first paragraph: "that happens" should be "that happen". Also, "without further delaying route insertion" would be more idiomatic than "without delaying route insertion anymore" Section 9.1, throughout: "nexthop" should be "next hop" Section 9.1, first bullet item: "only have one" should be "only has one" (or "has only one") Section 10: "a good behavior" should be "good behavior" From nobody Thu Oct 5 17:37:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00E01321D8; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:37:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150725025181.6041.4284170278225330023@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 17:37:31 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 00:37:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types Authors : Xufeng Liu Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2017-10-05 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 9 04:34:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F681321CB; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf-rtgw?= =?utf-8?q?g-uloop-delay-06=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150754886353.18401.2835591038605942078.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 04:34:23 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:34:23 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nit in section 9: You should probably not talk about 'our' solution or mechanism in an RFC: s/our/this/ or s/our X/the X described in this document/ This appears multiple times in section 9. 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Tue, 10 Oct 2017 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150764871370.13555.4313434348237516870@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 08:18:33 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:18:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay Authors : Stephane Litkowski Bruno Decraene Clarence Filsfils Pierre Francois Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2017-10-10 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure. This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology change and the network wide convergence. As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic between the link failure time and the IGP convergence. The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to keep the mechanism simple. Simulations using real network topologies have been performed and show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of the total forwarding loops. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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<150650278635.25015.9033751036427955769@ietfa.amsl.com> <15706_1506517788_59CBA31C_15706_105_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EA8172D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> To: stephane.litkowski@orange.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:52:17 -0000 Roni, thanks for your review. Stephane, thanks for agreeing to make = fixes. I have entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:09 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: >=20 > Thanks I will fix it in the next revision >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Roni Even [mailto:ron.even.tlv@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:00 > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay.all@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; = rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-06 >=20 > Reviewer: Roni Even > Review result: Ready with Nits >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area = Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the = IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any = other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-?? > Reviewer: Roni Even > Review Date: 2017-09-27 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-10-04 > IESG Telechat date: 2017-10-12 >=20 > Summary: > The document is ready for publication as a standard track RFC with = nits >=20 > Major issues: >=20 > Minor issues: >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: >=20 > 1. Abbreviation like RIB and FIB are not expanded 2. In section 9.1 = "more simple" should be "simpler" > 3. In section 9.1 " does not enough provide enough bandwidth" to " = does not provide enough bandwidth" 4. In section 9.2 "a mechanism where = the convergence of the network upon a topology change is made ordered = to prevent transient forwarding loops" is difficult to read maybe "a = mechanism where the convergence of the network upon a topology change is = ordered in order to prevent transient forwarding loops" >=20 >=20 >=20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, = deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or = privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and = delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have = been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Tue Oct 10 13:52:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453C51320D9; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 13:50:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alvaro Retana To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150766865027.13436.4602054386632294983.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 13:50:50 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:50:50 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 5.1. (Definitions) refers to a couple of “existing IGP timers”. I understand the concepts, but can you please reference the IGP documents where these timers are defined? I quickly checked rfc2328 and couldn’t find a specific place that talked about LSP_GEN_TIMER (or LSA, of course!), or a similar concept. SPF_DELAY seems to be introduced by I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo. Given that the rest of Section 5. (Specification) is built on these “existing IGP timers”, I think that the references should be Normative. Note also that the description in Section 5.2. (Current IGP reactions) is described (in 5.3) as the “standard IP convergence” and carries a “MUST” associated with it. It was mentioned (in 5.1) that the timers in question are “often associated with a damping mechanism”, which is not part of the base IGP specifications. I’m putting this comment in as a DISCUSS given that understanding the definitions (and having then Normative references) is necessary for the implementation of the mechanism described. I think it should be easy to resolve by just adding the appropriate references. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Where do the numbers in the “Route computation event time scale” table come from? Please put a reference or at least some guidance to the origin of the information. If it's just for informational purposes, then please say so. BTW, please also put a number on the table. [I have the same question for the tables in Section 9.] (2) Section 5.4. (Local delay for link down) specifies that “update of the RIB and the FIB SHOULD be delayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs. Otherwise, the RIB and FIB SHOULD be updated immediately.” When would ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER not be applied? Along the same lines, if there’s no delay mentioned in Step 5 of 5.3, when would the RIB/FIB not be updated immediately? IOW, why are these “SHOULDs” not “MUSTs”? (3) What should be the default setting for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER? Section 9. (Examples) shows a couple of manually configured (?) scenarios, but no guidance is present in the document. Please include guidance (maybe based on the local network convergence, or even a default that manufacturers can use) in the Deployment Considerations section. (4) Section 11. (Existing implementations). Please take a look at RFC7942. Nits: s/any traffic destined to D if a neighbor did not/any traffic destined to D; if a neighbor did not s/can be work/can work “IGP shortcut feature”: a reference would be nice From nobody Tue Oct 10 15:44:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0C31346B9; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150767541457.24751.687319228801244172.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:43:34 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:44:47 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This document doesn't really define any new on-the-wire protocol. Was publication as a BCP rather than a standards track document considered? The Introduction contains the following text: That means that all non-D neighbors of S on the topology will send to S any traffic destined to D if a neighbor did not, then that neighbor would be loop-free. I can't parse this sentence. Is there supposed to be a sentence break somewhere in there? The introduction starts talking about post-failure events (e.g., "when S converges to the new topology") before mentioning a failure of the S-D link. This makes it very hard to follow. Would suggest mentioning the failure being considered before talking about the ensuing events. Section 4 begins: This document defines a two-step convergence initiated by the router detecting a failure and advertising the topological changes in the IGP. This introduces a delay between the convergence of the local router and the network wide convergence. This reads backwards to me. With this technique, the network converges first, followed by an introduced delay, followed by router convergence. Right? Further on in that section: This benefit comes at the expense of eliminating transient forwarding loops involving the local router. I can't make sense of this. Eliminating transient forwarding loops is a good thing, right? Not an expense? I agree with Alvaro that the lack of a recommended default for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER is an issue, especially as the values configured in the examples seem to change arbitrarily from 1 second to 2 seconds. 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-0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-122-154-80.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.154.80] claimed to be Svantevit.roach.at Subject: Re: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with COMMENT) To: stephane.litkowski@orange.com, The IESG Cc: "chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" References: <150767541457.24751.687319228801244172.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <28717_1507713511_59DDE1E7_28717_181_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EA865E9@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:29:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <28717_1507713511_59DDE1E7_28717_181_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EA865E9@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:29:41 -0000 On 10/11/17 4:18 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Thanks for your review. > Some comments inline > Your proposals all look good to me. One additional comment, below. > > Section 4 begins: > > This document defines a two-step convergence initiated by the router > detecting a failure and advertising the topological changes in the > IGP. This introduces a delay between the convergence of the local > router and the network wide convergence. > > This reads backwards to me. With this technique, the network converges first, followed by an introduced delay, followed by router convergence. Right? > [SLI] The network converges first, then the local router thanks to the introduced local delay. Yes, so I would suggest rephrasing the above as: This document defines a two-step convergence initiated by the router detecting a failure and advertising the topological changes in the IGP. This introduces a delay between network-wide convergence and the convergence of the local router. /a From nobody Wed Oct 11 08:35:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF2F12008A; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:35:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1pfoeUCfCCWh; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E2DC120720; 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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150773672779.24763.13444803098382095385.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:45:27 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:45:28 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It would be good to call out the elements that are identifiers in the security considerations section as the ones that might have an impact on security and privacy. The text in 7950 is good, but just adding something to list the identifiers or state that identifiers may be of concern would be an improvement. Thanks. From nobody Wed Oct 11 09:01:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F23D134219; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:01:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RnDZHEGT_uo7; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BF3D13339A; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1406; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1507737671; x=1508947271; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0zU0GzyWuqC6ngJEynYIcCAYWXZKRdijVrhcF1LKSwM=; b=fiE2TX5MzMjkXtVxH7zRIun/bayAaRbusO+kexNoHR0+yMhUeuHGntxF VkHq9/hFn5iZcyCysDFYlfNhYlATsKeu3SeFcy4XxNL0V0uzzbZHRuxlT 7dUEwUH7RAx6l/SAsFo/jR6+NhAqTaHz1vGGUzT3deLjcENScBiWshoNR M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DKAAAvP95Z/xbLJq1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBhD9uJ4N6ih90kA2WUQ6CBAojhRgChR4YAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFHgY?= =?us-ascii?q?jFUEQCxoCJgICVwYBDAgBAYogEKlsgieLMwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBG?= =?us-ascii?q?QWBDoIfg1iCFQuCdIRSARIBgzKCYQWKE5cqh16NC4IUhXODWiSHCo4Eh1+BOR8?= =?us-ascii?q?4gQMLMiEIHRVJhU+BUD42AYgVgjUBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,362,1503360000"; d="scan'208";a="656296906" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Oct 2017 16:01:09 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.36] (ams-bclaise-nitro3.cisco.com [10.55.221.36]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9BG18rP005118; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:01:08 GMT Subject: Re: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) To: Kathleen Moriarty , The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org References: <150773672779.24763.13444803098382095385.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:01:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150773672779.24763.13444803098382095385.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:01:13 -0000 Hi Kathleen, > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > It would be good to call out the elements that are identifiers in the security > considerations section as the ones that might have an impact on security and > privacy. The text in 7950 is good, but just adding something to list the > identifiers or state that identifiers may be of concern would be an > improvement. Thanks. This draft only contains the typedefs and not the leave instances. The privacy considerations should be on the instances, so the typedef usage. For example, the privacy considerations would be different if the instance is read only or read write. 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(Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> It would be good to call out the elements that are identifiers in the >> security >> considerations section as the ones that might have an impact on security >> and >> privacy. The text in 7950 is good, but just adding something to list the >> identifiers or state that identifiers may be of concern would be an >> improvement. Thanks. > > This draft only contains the typedefs and not the leave instances. > The privacy considerations should be on the instances, so the typedef usage. > For example, the privacy considerations would be different if the instance > is read only or read write. Thanks for the quick reply. Could that be made clear instead of a vague sentence in the Security Considerations then so the considerations are understood (an minimal)? 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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.186.194 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <150773672779.24763.13444803098382095385.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:23:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" , Jeff Tantsura , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:24:00 -0000 On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote= : > Hi Kathleen, > > > > On 10/11/17, 12:02 PM, "Kathleen Moriarty" > wrote: > >>On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Benoit Claise wrote= : >>> Hi Kathleen, >>> >>>> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >>>> draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: No Objection >>>> >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s >>>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>>> >>>> >>>> Please refer to >>>>https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>> >>>> >>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> COMMENT: >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> It would be good to call out the elements that are identifiers in the >>>> security >>>> considerations section as the ones that might have an impact on >>>>security >>>> and >>>> privacy. The text in 7950 is good, but just adding something to list >>>>the >>>> identifiers or state that identifiers may be of concern would be an >>>> improvement. Thanks. >>> >>> This draft only contains the typedefs and not the leave instances. >>> The privacy considerations should be on the instances, so the typedef >>>usage. >>> For example, the privacy considerations would be different if the >>>instance >>> is read only or read write. >> >>Thanks for the quick reply. Could that be made clear instead of a >>vague sentence in the Security Considerations then so the >>considerations are understood (an minimal)? > > Are you familiar with the YANG language? Would it make it less vague if i= f > =E2=80=9Cdata definitions=E2=80=9D were replaced by =E2=80=9Ctype definit= ions (i.e., typedef > statements)=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csecurity considerations=E2=80=9D were r= eplaced by =E2=80=9Csecurity and > privacy consideration=E2=80=9D? Hi Acee, Yes, that is a nice and simple improvement. Thank you, Kathleen > > Thanks, > Acee > >> >>Thanks, >>Kathleen >>> >>> Regards, Benoit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>Best regards, >>Kathleen > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Wed Oct 11 10:53:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D94133070; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:53:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1_Hf5yzsGd_P; 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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:29:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150775738553.24840.16127160485712658164.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:29:45 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:29:46 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1. Introduction: "That means that all non-D neighbors of S on the topology will send to S any traffic destined to D if a neighbor did not, then that neighbor would be loop-free." -- I was unable to parse the above. I may just be overtired, but it feels like there are some missing words. Nits: " When S-D fails, a transient forwarding loop may appear between S and B if S updates its forwarding entry to D before B." -- Perhaps "... entry to D before B does." or "... before B updates its forwarding entry"? Section 2.1. Fast reroute inefficiency "On the router C, the nexthop to D is the tunnel T thanks to the IGP shortcut." s/the// "On C, the tail-end of the TE tunnel (router B) is no more on the shortest-path tree (SPT) to D, ..." s/is no more on/is no longer on/ (related) "... so C does not encapsulate anymore the traffic to D..." s/does not encapsulate anymore/no longer encapsulates/ Section 3. Overview of the solution "This ordered convergence, is similar to the ordered FIB ..." s/,/ (superfluous). From nobody Wed Oct 11 14:42:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8C41320D9; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:42:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150775815156.24759.2006673499487621983.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:42:31 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:42:31 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Line 115 Consider the case in Figure 1 where S does not have an LFA to protect its traffic to D. That means that all non-D neighbors of S on the You need to define LFA. Line 118 topology will send to S any traffic destined to D if a neighbor did not, then that neighbor would be loop-free. Regardless of the advanced fast-reroute (FRR) technique used, when S converges to the This is not a grammatical sentence. Line 132 S ------ B 1 Figure 1 What do the numbers in this box mean? I assume they are route metrics, but you need to say so. Line 136 When S-D fails, a transient forwarding loop may appear between S and B if S updates its forwarding entry to D before B. Something seems to have gone badly wrong with this paragraph. Are these lines supposed to be in the previous paragraph. Line 326 unstable. As an example, [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo] defines a standard SPF delay algorithm. You need to define SPF here. Line 338 1. The Up/Down event is notified to the IGP. Usually, one would say that the IGP is notified of... Line 552 S Figure 7 Is this the same as the previous figure with T running CEAB? From nobody Wed Oct 11 17:44:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D24B1321F5; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:44:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150776904011.16844.17501743592969348058.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:44:00 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 00:44:00 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2: Are these types in any particular order? If not, you might consider alphabetizing them to make thing easier to find. uint24 This type defines a 24-bit unsigned integer. It is used by target="I-D.ietf-ospf-yang"/>. There appears to be some XML damage here. ____ There are several patterns in the YANG definition that perform significant restriction of numbers (e.g., to ensure they don't fall outside the range that can be stored in 16 or 32 bits). In many cases, these patterns include the ability to zero-prefix some (but not all) decimal values. For example, the production for route-origin would allow leading zeros in "2:0100:0555" but not in "2:04294967295:065535" (even though "2:4294967295:65535" is okay). I don't know offhand whether it makes sense to allow leading zeros in these fields, but I would argue that the production should be consistent in allowing or disallowing them. This issue arises in various forms in route-target, ipv6-route-target, route-origin, and ipv6-route-origin. The definition of bandwidth-ieee-float32 includes the following text: The encoding format is the external hexadecimal-significant character sequences specified in IEEE 754 and C99. The format is restricted to be normalized, non-negative, and non-fraction: 0x1.hhhhhhp{+}d or 0X1.HHHHHHP{+}D where 'h' and 'H' are hexadecimal digits, 'd' and 'D' are integers in the range of [0..127]. Notably, this prose clearly says that values can start with "0x1" and "0X1", but not "0x0" or "0X0" -- while the pattern production does allow 0x0, and the examples even include values starting with 0x0. The quoted prose above should be re-worked so it also allows values starting with 0x0 and 0X0. 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(Definitions) refers to a couple of =E2=80=9Cexisting IGP ti= mers=E2=80=9D. I > understand the concepts, but can you please reference the IGP documents > where these timers are defined? I quickly checked rfc2328 and couldn=E2= =80=99t > find a specific place that talked about LSP_GEN_TIMER (or LSA, of course!= ), > or a similar concept. SPF_DELAY seems to be introduced by > I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo. Given that the rest of Section 5. > (Specification) is built on these =E2=80=9Cexisting IGP timers=E2=80=9D, = I think that the > references should be Normative. > > [SLI] ISIS does have the minimumLSPGenerationInterval defined in the ISO > specification. I will add it. For OSPF, I do not see the equivalent in th= e > base spec. I will check with Acee if he knows some references or if it's > purely local features that have been implemented. > This is the definition from 10589: minimumLSPGenerationInterval =E2=80=93 This is the minimum time interval be= tween generation of Link State PDUs. A source Intermediate system shall wait at least this long before re-generating one of its own Link State PDUs. That is not the same as LSP_GEN_TIMER. I get the impression that the only place where that documents it might be I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo. > Note also that the description in Section 5.2. (Current IGP reactions) is > described (in 5.3) as the =E2=80=9Cstandard IP convergence=E2=80=9D and c= arries a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D > associated with it. It was mentioned (in 5.1) that the timers in questio= n > are =E2=80=9Coften associated with a damping mechanism=E2=80=9D, which is= not part of the > base IGP specifications. > > [SLI] I agree with your point. I think that the "standard" word is badly > used it and "regular" may be more appropriate. > The behavior defined in 5.2 cannot be defined as a standard, as it clearl= y > depends on the implementation and additional timers may be involved. > My proposal is to: > - change the word "standard" to "regular" in section 5.3 > - change the title of Section 5.2 to "Regular IGP reaction" to accommodat= e > the change in 5.3 > - In 5.2, modify slightly the text as follows: > " Upon a change of the status of an adjacency/link, the regular IGP > convergence > behavior of the router advertising the event involves the following > main steps: " > > It's important to keep the "MUST" in section 5.3, as applying the delay > timer to complex outages is dangerous and may lead to side effects. > Yes, the changes are fine. The MUST being there is needed (I agree) -- that is what makes the reference needed to be Normative. > > > > > I=E2=80=99m putting this comment in as a DISCUSS given that understanding= the > definitions (and having then Normative references) is necessary for the > implementation of the mechanism described. I think it should be easy to > resolve by just adding the appropriate references. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ... > (2) Section 5.4. (Local delay for link down) specifies that =E2=80=9Cupda= te of the > RIB and the FIB SHOULD be delayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs. > Otherwise, the RIB and FIB SHOULD be updated immediately.=E2=80=9D When = would > ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER not be applied? > [SLI] The text states " If the > condition of a single local link-down event has been met ". The > "otherwise" is linked to this statement. This means that the FIB/RIB SHOU= LD > be updated immediately when this condition is not met. > Sorry, that question was for the first "SHOULD": In "update of the RIB and the FIB SHOULD be delayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs", when would you not delay? Why is that not a "MUST"? > (2)Along the same lines, if there=E2=80=99s no delay mentioned in Step 5 = of 5.3, > when would the RIB/FIB not be updated immediately? IOW, why are these > =E2=80=9CSHOULDs=E2=80=9D not =E2=80=9CMUSTs=E2=80=9D? > [SLI] Do you refer to 5.2 (and not 5.3) as there is no Step 5 in 5.3. In > 5.2, the RIB/FIB are updated immediately after the SPF computation. > Yes, 5.2. Right, 5.2 says that the RIB/FIB are updated immediately, but the text in 5.4 only says that it "SHOULD" -- why is that not a "MUST"? Are there cases when it wouldn't? Thanks! Alvaro. --001a113de87a088671055b4f0c84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:07 AM, <= stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

Stephane:<= br>
Hi!

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DISCUSS:
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Section 5.1. (Definitions) refers to a couple of =E2=80=9Cexisting IGP time= rs=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I understand the concepts, but can you please reference = the IGP documents where these timers are defined?=C2=A0 I quickly checked r= fc2328 and couldn=E2=80=99t find a specific place that talked about LSP_GEN= _TIMER (or LSA, of course!), or a similar concept.=C2=A0 SPF_DELAY seems to= be introduced by I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo.=C2=A0 Given that the rest of= Section 5. (Specification) is built on these =E2=80=9Cexisting IGP timers= =E2=80=9D, I think that the references should be Normative.

[SLI] ISIS does have the minimumLSPGenerationInterval defined in the= ISO specification. I will add it. For OSPF, I do not see the equivalent in= the base spec. I will check with Acee if he knows some references or if it= 's purely local features that have been implemented.

This is the definition from 10589:

minimumLSPGenerationInterval =E2=80=93 This is the minimum time interval= between generation of Link State PDUs. A source Intermediate system shall = wait at least this long before re-generating one of its own Link State PDUs= .


That is not the same as LSP_GEN_T= IMER.

I get the impression that the only place= where=C2=A0 that documents it might be I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo.
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=C2=A0
Note also that the description in Section 5.2. (Curr= ent IGP reactions) is described (in 5.3) as the =E2=80=9Cstandard IP conver= gence=E2=80=9D and carries a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D
associated with it.=C2=A0 It was mentioned (in 5.1) that the timers in ques= tion are =E2=80=9Coften associated with a damping mechanism=E2=80=9D, which= is not part of the base IGP specifications.

[SLI] I agree with your point. I think that the "standard"= word is badly used it and "regular" may be more appropriate.
The behavior defined in 5.2 cannot be defined as a standard, as it clearly = depends on the implementation and additional timers may be involved.
My proposal is to:
- change the word "standard" to "regular" in section 5.= 3
- change the title of Section 5.2 to "Regular IGP reaction" to ac= commodate the change in 5.3
- In 5.2, modify slightly the text as follows:
" Upon a change of the status of an adjacency/link, the regular IGP co= nvergence
=C2=A0 =C2=A0behavior of the router advertising the event involves the foll= owing main steps: "

It's important to keep the "MUST" in section 5.3, as applying= the delay timer to complex outages is dangerous and may lead to side effec= ts.

Yes, the changes are fine.=C2=A0 Th= e MUST being there is needed (I agree) -- that is what makes the reference = needed to be Normative.
=C2=A0




I=E2=80=99m putting this comment in as a DISCUSS given that understanding t= he definitions (and having then Normative references) is necessary for the = implementation of the mechanism described.=C2=A0 I think it should be easy = to resolve by just adding the appropriate references.


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COMMENT:
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...
(2) Section 5.4. (Local delay for link down) specifies that =E2=80=9Cupdate= of the RIB and the FIB SHOULD be delayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs.= =C2=A0 Otherwise, the RIB and FIB SHOULD be updated immediately.=E2=80=9D= =C2=A0 When would ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER not be applied?
[SLI] The text states " If the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 condition of a single local link-down event has been m= et ". The "otherwise" is linked to this statement. This mean= s that the FIB/RIB SHOULD be updated immediately when this condition is not= met.

Sorry, that question was for the = first "SHOULD":

In "update of the R= IB and the FIB SHOULD be delayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs", wh= en would you not delay?=C2=A0 Why is that not a "MUST"?
=
=C2=A0
(2)Along the same lines, if there=E2=80=99s no delay mentioned in Step 5 of= 5.3, when would the RIB/FIB not be updated immediately?=C2=A0 IOW, why are= these =E2=80=9CSHOULDs=E2=80=9D not =E2=80=9CMUSTs=E2=80=9D?
[SLI] Do you refer to 5.2 (and not 5.3) as there is no Step 5 in 5.3. In 5.= 2, the RIB/FIB are updated immediately after the SPF computation.

Yes, 5.2.

Right, 5.2 sa= ys that the RIB/FIB are updated immediately, but the text in 5.4 only says = that it "SHOULD" -- why is that not a "MUST"?=C2=A0 Are= there cases when it wouldn't?
=C2=A0

Thanks!

Alvaro.
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Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:30:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150777541361.16735.5513930929354922859.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:30:13 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:30:13 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Substantive Comments: - General: Do I undertand correctly that this is a black-box implementation detail? I note that section 4 explicitly says that it is a local-only feature that does not require interoperability. If so, then standards track seems inappropriate. BCP or informational seems to make more sense. Since there are recommendations here, I think BCP is the right choice. (I note Adam made a similar comment.) -11: Do you expect this section to stay in the RFC? It is likely to become outdated rather quickly. Editorial Comments: - General: Please number the tables. - sections 2 and 3 and their child sections have quite a few grammar errors. Please proofread it again. I mention a few specifics below, but doubt I caught everything. - 2, first paragraph: " That means that all non-D neighbors of S on the topology will send to S any traffic destined to D if a neighbor did not, then that neighbor would be loop-free." I can't parse that sentence. Is it a run-on sentence, or are there missing words? -- S / "can be work" / "can work" -3: " may cause high damages for a network." I suggest " may cause significant network damage". -4, last paragraph: "This benefit comes at the expense of eliminating transient forwarding loops involving the local router. " How is that an "expense"? Isn't it the whole point? -5.3, first paragraph and paragraph before figure 4: The MUST is stated twice. Please avoid redundant normative statements. Even if they agree now, they can cause maintenance issues down the road. From nobody Wed Oct 11 19:41:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A49134317; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:41:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150777610409.16703.7882226313835428632.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:41:44 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:41:44 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Kathleen's comment about calling out or labeling elements likely to have privacy or security implications. From nobody Wed Oct 11 19:47:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD01124F57; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:47:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150777647003.16848.13200510527965229887.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:47:50 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:47:50 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for addressing my previous comments! From nobody Wed Oct 11 21:13:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD4E134453; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:13:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150778158451.16719.6235971197749918564.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:13:04 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 04:13:05 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (Oops, sorry, I entered the bit about addressing my comments for the wrong draft.) - General: Do I undertand correctly that this is a black-box implementation detail? I note that section 4 explicitly says that it is a local-only feature that does not require interoperability. If so, then standards track seems inappropriate. BCP or informational seems to make more sense. Since there are recommendations here, I think BCP is the right choice. (I note Adam made a similar comment.) -11: Do you expect this section to stay in the RFC? It is likely to become outdated rather quickly. Editorial Comments: - General: Please number the tables. - sections 2 and 3 and their child sections have quite a few grammar errors. Please proofread it again. I mention a few specifics below, but doubt I caught everything. - 2, first paragraph: " That means that all non-D neighbors of S on the topology will send to S any traffic destined to D if a neighbor did not, then that neighbor would be loop-free." I can't parse that sentence. Is it a run-on sentence, or are there missing words? -- S / "can be work" / "can work" -3: " may cause high damages for a network." I suggest " may cause significant network damage". -4, last paragraph: "This benefit comes at the expense of eliminating transient forwarding loops involving the local router. " How is that an "expense"? Isn't it the whole point? -5.3, first paragraph and paragraph before figure 4: The MUST is stated twice. Please avoid redundant normative statements. Even if they agree now, they can cause maintenance issues down the road. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:16:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay Authors : Stephane Litkowski Bruno Decraene Clarence Filsfils Pierre Francois Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-08.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2017-10-12 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure. This mechanism proposes a two-step convergence by introducing a delay between the convergence of the node adjacent to the topology change and the network wide convergence. As this mechanism delays the IGP convergence it may only be used for planned maintenance or when fast reroute protects the traffic between the link failure time and the IGP convergence. The proposed mechanism is limited to the link down event in order to keep the mechanism simple. Simulations using real network topologies have been performed and show that local loops are a significant portion (>50%) of the total forwarding loops. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 12 06:20:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88491120720; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150781443454.16864.9884353629673389115.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 06:20:34 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:20:35 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a small thing, but in general I think it would be preferable not to embed the name "iana" in identifiers that can be consumed programmatically (the namespace URN and module name). What distinguishes the iana-routing-types module seems to be that the types define values for address family identifiers, not the fact that the registries containing those identifiers happen to be administered by IANA. If somebody else administered those registries it would have no effect on the contents of the module. 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Are these > lines supposed to be in the previous paragraph." > > [SLI] This is the postamble of the figure and not really a paragraph. > It's also not really readable in the context of that paragraph. " Figure 7 > Is this the same as the previous figure with T running CEAB? > " > > [SLI] What figure are you talking about when saying "the previous" ? > I think there is a copy/paste issue. The tunnel T is not used here. > Hmm...I seem to have reviewed -06. > > > Brgds, > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 23:43 > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; > chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: > (with COMMENT) > > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Line 115 > Consider the case in Figure 1 where S does not have an LFA to protect > its traffic to D. That means that all non-D neighbors of S on the You > need to define LFA. > > Line 118 > topology will send to S any traffic destined to D if a neighbor did > not, then that neighbor would be loop-free. Regardless of the > advanced fast-reroute (FRR) technique used, when S converges to the > This is not a grammatical sentence. > > Line 132 > S ------ B > 1 > Figure 1 > What do the numbers in this box mean? I assume they are route metrics, but > you need to say so. > > Line 136 > When S-D fails, a transient forwarding loop may appear between S and > B if S updates its forwarding entry to D before B. > Something seems to have gone badly wrong with this paragraph. Are these > lines supposed to be in the previous paragraph. > > Line 326 > unstable. As an example, [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo] defines a > standard SPF delay algorithm. > You need to define SPF here. > > Line 338 > 1. The Up/Down event is notified to the IGP. > Usually, one would say that the IGP is notified of... > > Line 552 > S > > Figure 7 > Is this the same as the previous figure with T running CEAB? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez > recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages > electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou > falsifie. 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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:04 AM, <stephane.litkowski@ora= nge.com> wrote:
Hi Eric,
Thanks for your review, I will take care of your comments.

" Line 136
=C2=A0 =C2=A0When S-D fails, a transient forwarding loop may appear between= S and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0B if S updates its forwarding entry to D before B.
Something seems to have gone badly wrong with this paragraph. Are these lin= es supposed to be in the previous paragraph."

[SLI] This is the postamble of the figure and not really a paragraph= .

It's also not really readable in = the context of that paragraph.


"=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Figure 7
Is this the same as the previous figure with T running CEAB?
"

[SLI] What figure are you talking about when saying "the previo= us" ?
I think there is a copy/paste issue. The tunnel T is not used here.

Hmm...I seem to have reviewed -06.=C2=A0
=


Brgds,


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Subject: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-<= wbr>07: (with COMMENT)

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Line 115
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Consider the case in Figure 1 where S does not have an LFA to = protect
=C2=A0 =C2=A0its traffic to D.=C2=A0 That means that all non-D neighbors of= S on the You need to define LFA.

Line 118
=C2=A0 =C2=A0topology will send to S any traffic destined to D if a neighbo= r did
=C2=A0 =C2=A0not, then that neighbor would be loop-free.=C2=A0 Regardless o= f the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advanced fast-reroute (FRR) technique used, when S converges t= o the This is not a grammatical sentence.

Line 132
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 S ------ B
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Figure 1
What do the numbers in this box mean? I assume they are route metrics, but = you need to say so.

Line 136
=C2=A0 =C2=A0When S-D fails, a transient forwarding loop may appear between= S and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0B if S updates its forwarding entry to D before B.
Something seems to have gone badly wrong with this paragraph. Are these lin= es supposed to be in the previous paragraph.

Line 326
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 unstable.=C2=A0 As an example, [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff= -algo] defines a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 standard SPF delay algorithm.
You need to define SPF here.

Line 338
=C2=A0 =C2=A01.=C2=A0 The Up/Down event is notified to the IGP.
Usually, one would say that the IGP is notified of...

Line 552
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0S

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Figure 7
Is this the same as the previous figure with T running CEAB?



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boundary="94eb2c18d91a378596055b59e929" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:56:54 -0000 --94eb2c18d91a378596055b59e929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:47 AM, wrote: Hi! The minimumLSPGenerationInterval is IMO the LSP_GEN_TIMER we are > describing. It controls the pacing of the local LSP generation. In ISO > 10589, it is a fixed timer value while now implementations are often usin= g > a damping mechanism associated with this timer rather than a fixed value. > > > > The MinLSInterval seems to be the equivalent in OSPF (I=E2=80=99m not an = expert in > OSPF, but Acee pointed this one to me). Again the backoff/damping is not > defined as a standard. There is a BCP RFC 4222 but it does seem to addres= s > the MinLSInterval backoff. > > > > The I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo only controls the SPF delay, not the > LSP_GEN_TIMER. > > > > Do you agree ? > No, I don't agree that LSP_GEN_TIMER is the same as minimumLSPGenerationInterval or MinLSInterval. LSP_GEN_TIMER is described to "batch multiple local events in one single local LSP/LSA update", but both minimumLSPGenerationInterval/MinLSInterval are about regeneration of LSP/LSAs. IOW, the description in 5.2 "2. The IGP processes the notification and postpones the reaction for LSP_GEN_TIMER msec." Is not right because minimumLSPGenerationInterval/MinLSInterval would not delay the initial generation of an LSP/LSA. That was my initial point, I don't know where a timer like LSP_GEN_TIMER is defined for ISIS/OSPF -- one that delays the initial generation of an LSP/LSA. About SPF_DELAY... Yes, I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo is the only place where I see SPF_DELAY defined -- which makes it an existing (documented) timer. I think that I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo should then be a Normative reference. Note also that I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo does define something that sounds to me just like LSP_GEN_TIMER: TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL: This is the maximum duration typically needed to learn all the IGP events related to a single component failure (e.g., router failure, SRLG failure), e.g., 1 second. It's mostly dependent on failure detection time variation between all routers that are adjacent to the failure. Additionally, it may depend on the different IGP implementations across the network, related to origination and flooding of their link state advertisements. It seems that it should be the right reference. Thanks! Alvaro. > > > Brgds, > > > > *From:* Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 02:59 > *To:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS > *Cc:* The IESG; draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org; > rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com; rtgwg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-07= : > (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:07 AM, wrote: > > Stephane: > > Hi! > > ... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 5.1. (Definitions) refers to a couple of =E2=80=9Cexisting IGP ti= mers=E2=80=9D. I > understand the concepts, but can you please reference the IGP documents > where these timers are defined? I quickly checked rfc2328 and couldn=E2= =80=99t > find a specific place that talked about LSP_GEN_TIMER (or LSA, of course!= ), > or a similar concept. SPF_DELAY seems to be introduced by > I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo. Given that the rest of Section 5. > (Specification) is built on these =E2=80=9Cexisting IGP timers=E2=80=9D, = I think that the > references should be Normative. > > [SLI] ISIS does have the minimumLSPGenerationInterval defined in the ISO > specification. I will add it. For OSPF, I do not see the equivalent in th= e > base spec. I will check with Acee if he knows some references or if it's > purely local features that have been implemented. > > > > This is the definition from 10589: > > > > minimumLSPGenerationInterval =E2=80=93 This is the minimum time interval = between > generation of Link State PDUs. A source Intermediate system shall wait at > least this long before re-generating one of its own Link State PDUs. > > > > > > That is not the same as LSP_GEN_TIMER. > > > > I get the impression that the only place where that documents it might b= e > I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo. > > > > > > Note also that the description in Section 5.2. (Current IGP reactions) is > described (in 5.3) as the =E2=80=9Cstandard IP convergence=E2=80=9D and c= arries a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D > associated with it. It was mentioned (in 5.1) that the timers in questio= n > are =E2=80=9Coften associated with a damping mechanism=E2=80=9D, which is= not part of the > base IGP specifications. > > [SLI] I agree with your point. I think that the "standard" word is badly > used it and "regular" may be more appropriate. > The behavior defined in 5.2 cannot be defined as a standard, as it clearl= y > depends on the implementation and additional timers may be involved. > My proposal is to: > - change the word "standard" to "regular" in section 5.3 > - change the title of Section 5.2 to "Regular IGP reaction" to accommodat= e > the change in 5.3 > - In 5.2, modify slightly the text as follows: > " Upon a change of the status of an adjacency/link, the regular IGP > convergence > behavior of the router advertising the event involves the following > main steps: " > > It's important to keep the "MUST" in section 5.3, as applying the delay > timer to complex outages is dangerous and may lead to side effects. > > > > Yes, the changes are fine. The MUST being there is needed (I agree) -- > that is what makes the reference needed to be Normative. > > > > > > > > I=E2=80=99m putting this comment in as a DISCUSS given that understanding= the > definitions (and having then Normative references) is necessary for the > implementation of the mechanism described. I think it should be easy to > resolve by just adding the appropriate references. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ... > (2) Section 5.4. (Local delay for link down) specifies that =E2=80=9Cupda= te of the > RIB and the FIB SHOULD be delayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs. > Otherwise, the RIB and FIB SHOULD be updated immediately.=E2=80=9D When = would > ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER not be applied? > [SLI] The text states " If the > condition of a single local link-down event has been met ". The > "otherwise" is linked to this statement. This means that the FIB/RIB SHOU= LD > be updated immediately when this condition is not met. > > > > Sorry, that question was for the first "SHOULD": > > > > In "update of the RIB and the FIB SHOULD be delayed for > ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs", when would you not delay? Why is that not= a > "MUST"? > > > > (2)Along the same lines, if there=E2=80=99s no delay mentioned in Step 5 = of 5.3, > when would the RIB/FIB not be updated immediately? IOW, why are these > =E2=80=9CSHOULDs=E2=80=9D not =E2=80=9CMUSTs=E2=80=9D? > [SLI] Do you refer to 5.2 (and not 5.3) as there is no Step 5 in 5.3. In > 5.2, the RIB/FIB are updated immediately after the SPF computation. > > > > Yes, 5.2. > > > > Right, 5.2 says that the RIB/FIB are updated immediately, but the text in > 5.4 only says that it "SHOULD" -- why is that not a "MUST"? 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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:47 AM, &= lt;steph= ane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

Hi!

The minimumLSPGenerationInterval is IMO the LSP_GEN_TIMER we are describ= ing. It controls the pacing of the local LSP generation. In ISO 10589, it i= s a fixed timer value while now implementations are often using a damping m= echanism associated with this timer rather than a fixed value.

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The MinLSInterval seems to be the equivalent in OSPF= (I=E2=80=99m not an expert in OSPF, but Acee pointed this one to me). Agai= n the backoff/damping is not defined as a standard. There is a BCP RFC 4222= but it does seem to address the MinLSInterval backoff.

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The I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo only controls the SPF delay, not the LSP= _GEN_TIMER.

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No, I don't agree that LSP_GEN_TIMER is the same as minimumLSPGenerationInterval or MinLSInterva= l.

LSP_GEN_TIMER is described to "batch multi= ple local events in one single local LSP/LSA update", but both minimum= LSPGenerationInterval/MinLSInterval are about regeneration of LSP/LSAs.=C2= =A0 IOW, the description in 5.2

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Is not right because minimumLSPGenerationInterval/MinLSInterv= al would not delay the initial generation of an LSP/LSA.=C2=A0 That was my = initial point, I don't know where a timer like LSP_GEN_TIMER is defined= for ISIS/OSPF -- one that delays the initial generation of an LSP/LSA.




About SP= F_DELAY...=C2=A0 Yes, I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo is the only place where I= see SPF_DELAY defined -- which makes it an existing (documented) timer.=C2= =A0 I think that I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo should then be a Normative ref= erence.

Note also that I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo= does define something that sounds to me just like LSP_GEN_TIMER:

   TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL: Thi=
s is the maximum duration typically needed
   to learn all the IGP events related to a single component failure
   (e.g., router failure, SRLG failure), e.g., 1 second.  It's mostly
   dependent on failure detection time variation between all routers
   that are adjacent to the failure.  Additionally, it may depend on the
   different IGP implementations across the network, related to
   origination and flooding of their link state advertisements.

It seems that it should be the right re= ference.

Thanks!

Alvaro.<= br>
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Brgds,=

=C2=A0=

From: Alvaro Retan= a [mailto:areta= na.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 02:59
To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS
Cc: The IESG; draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org<= /a>; chrisb= owers.ietf@gmail.com; rtgwg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-d= elay-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

=C2=A0

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at= 5:07 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

Stephane:=

Hi!

...

--= -----------------------------------------------------------------= ---
DISCUSS:
-------------------------= ---------------------------------------------

Section 5.1. (Definitions= ) refers to a couple of =E2=80=9Cexisting IGP timers=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I unde= rstand the concepts, but can you please reference the IGP documents where t= hese timers are defined?=C2=A0 I quickly checked rfc2328 and couldn=E2=80= =99t find a specific place that talked about LSP_GEN_TIMER (or LSA, of course!), or a similar concept= .=C2=A0 SPF_DELAY seems to be introduced by I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo.=C2= =A0 Given that the rest of Section 5. (Specification) is built on these =E2= =80=9Cexisting IGP timers=E2=80=9D, I think that the references should be Normative.

[SLI] ISIS does have the minimumLSPGenerationInterval defined in the ISO sp= ecification. I will add it. For OSPF, I do not see the equivalent in the ba= se spec. I will check with Acee if he knows some references or if it's = purely local features that have been implemented.

=C2=A0

This is the definition from 10589:

=C2=A0

minimumLSPGenerationInterval =E2=80=93 This is the m= inimum time interval between generation of Link State PDUs. A source Interm= ediate system shall wait at least this long before re-generating one of its= own Link State PDUs.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

That is not the same as LSP_GEN_TIMER.=

=C2=A0

I get the impression that the only place where=C2=A0= that documents it might be I-D.ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

No= te also that the description in Section 5.2. (Current IGP reactions) is des= cribed (in 5.3) as the =E2=80=9Cstandard IP convergence=E2=80=9D and carrie= s a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D
associated with it.=C2=A0= It was mentioned (in 5.1) that the timers in question are =E2=80=9Coften a= ssociated with a damping mechanism=E2=80=9D, which is not part of the base = IGP specifications.

[SLI] I agree with your point. I think that the "standard" word i= s badly used it and "regular" may be more appropriate.
The behavior defined in 5.2 cannot be defined as a standard, as it clearly = depends on the implementation and additional timers may be involved.
My proposal is to:
- change the word "standard" to "regular" in section 5.= 3
- change the title of Section 5.2 to "Regular IGP reaction" to ac= commodate the change in 5.3
- In 5.2, modify slightly the text as follows:
" Upon a change of the status of an adjacency/link, the regular IGP co= nvergence
=C2=A0 =C2=A0behavior of the router advertising the event involves the foll= owing main steps: "

It's important to keep the "MUST" in section 5.3, as applying= the delay timer to complex outages is dangerous and may lead to side effec= ts.

=C2=A0

Yes, the changes are fine.=C2=A0 The MUST being ther= e is needed (I agree) -- that is what makes the reference needed to be Norm= ative.

=C2=A0





I=E2=80=99m putting this = comment in as a DISCUSS given that understanding the definitions (and havin= g then Normative references) is necessary for the implementation of the mec= hanism described.=C2=A0 I think it should be easy to resolve by just adding the appropriate references.


-------------------------= ---------------------------------------------
COMMENT:
-------------------------= ---------------------------------------------

...
(2) Section 5.4. (Local d= elay for link down) specifies that =E2=80=9Cupdate of the RIB and the FIB S= HOULD be delayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the RIB= and FIB SHOULD be updated immediately.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 When would ULOOP_DEL= AY_DOWN_TIMER not be applied?
[SLI] The text states " If the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 condition of a single local link-down event has been m= et ". The "otherwise" is linked to this statement. This mean= s that the FIB/RIB SHOULD be updated immediately when this condition is not= met.

=C2=A0

Sorry, that question was for the first "SHOULD&= quot;:

=C2=A0

In "update of the RIB and the FIB SHOULD be del= ayed for ULOOP_DELAY_DOWN_TIMER msecs", when would you not delay?=C2= =A0 Why is that not a "MUST"?

=C2=A0

(2)Along the same lines, if there=E2=80=99s no delay= mentioned in Step 5 of 5.3, when would the RIB/FIB not be updated immediat= ely?=C2=A0 IOW, why are these =E2=80=9CSHOULDs=E2=80=9D not =E2=80=9CMUSTs= =E2=80=9D?
[SLI] Do you refer to 5.2 (and not 5.3) as there is no Step 5 in 5.3. In 5.= 2, the RIB/FIB are updated immediately after the SPF computation.=

=C2=A0

Yes, 5.2.

=C2=A0

Right, 5.2 says that the RIB/FIB are updated immedia= tely, but the text in 5.4 only says that it "SHOULD" -- why is th= at not a "MUST"?=C2=A0 Are there cases when it wouldn't?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Alvaro.

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--_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EA87342OPEXCLILMA4corp_-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 09:13:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB4D13453E; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nIeuAjXF9b4P; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0EF2134539; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Orochi.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v9CGCP21087975 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:12:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Orochi.local Subject: Re: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , The IESG Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" , Jeff Tantsura , "rtgwg@ietf.org" References: <150776904011.16844.17501743592969348058.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <18af05f7-cdab-7c87-65d9-9b67f5464ca1@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:12:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:13:55 -0000 On 10/11/17 20:16, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > >> ____ >> >> There are several patterns in the YANG definition that perform significant >> restriction of numbers (e.g., to ensure they don't fall outside the range >> that >> can be stored in 16 or 32 bits). In many cases, these patterns include the >> ability to zero-prefix some (but not all) decimal values. For example, the >> production for route-origin would allow leading zeros in "2:0100:0555" >> but not >> in "2:04294967295:065535" (even though "2:4294967295:65535" is okay). I >> don't >> know offhand whether it makes sense to allow leading zeros in these >> fields, but >> I would argue that the production should be consistent in allowing or >> disallowing them. This issue arises in various forms in route-target, >> ipv6-route-target, route-origin, and ipv6-route-origin. > We’ll look at this and get back to you - a lot of time has already gone > into formulating and testing these patterns. Yes, and it would be a shame if that work resulted in publishing patterns with known issues. This flaw arises in three formulations (each of which appear multiple times), and would be quite easy to fix. These fixes should be obvious by inspection. 32 bits (0-4,294,967,295)   Replace: [0-3]?[0-9]{0,8}[0-9]   With:    [1-3][0-9]{9}|[1-9][0-9]{0,8}|0 16 bits (0-65535)   Replace: [0-5]?[0-9]{0,3}[0-9]   With:    [1-5][0-9]{4}|[1-9][0-9]{0,3}|0 8 bits (0-255)   Replace: [01]?[0-9]?[0-9]   With:    1[0-9]{2}|[1-9]?[0-9] ____ As an aside: replacing "[0-9]" with "\d" everywhere would make these patterns easier to read in general, but this is merely a readability improvement rather than a bug fix. Compare:          + '(2:(429496729[0-5]|42949672[0-8][0-9]|'          +     '4294967[01][0-9]{2}|'          +     '429496[0-6][0-9]{3}|42949[0-5][0-9]{4}|'          +     '4294[0-8][0-9]{5}|'          + '429[0-3][0-9]{6}|42[0-8][0-9]{7}|4[01][0-9]{8}|'          +     '[1-3][0-9]{9}|[1-9][0-9]{0,8}|0):'          +     '(6553[0-5]|655[0-2][0-9]|65[0-4][0-9]{2}|'          +     '6[0-4][0-9]{3}|'          +     '[1-5][0-9]{4}|[1-9][0-9]{0,3}|0))|' Becomes:          + '(2:(429496729[0-5]|42949672[0-8]\d|'          +     '4294967[01]\d{2}|'          +     '429496[0-6]\d{3}|42949[0-5]\d{4}|'          +     '4294[0-8]\d{5}|'          +     '429[0-3]\d{6}|42[0-8]\d{7}|4[01]\d{8}|'          +     '[1-3]\d{9}|[1-9]\d{0,8}|0):'          +     '(6553[0-5]|655[0-2]\d|65[0-4]\d{2}|'          +     '6[0-4]\d{3}|'          +     '[1-5]\d{4}|[1-9]\d{0,3}|0))|' /a From nobody Thu Oct 12 09:14:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A9313453C; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:13:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pHGzh1gqJhu0; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A7013453D; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Orochi.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v9CGDZ09088062 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:13:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Orochi.local Subject: Re: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , The IESG Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" , Jeff Tantsura , "rtgwg@ietf.org" References: <150776904011.16844.17501743592969348058.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <2a258e4e-eea6-2ac7-2237-7277b38e1d83@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:13:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:13:56 -0000 On 10/11/17 20:16, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > >> ____ >> >> There are several patterns in the YANG definition that perform significant >> restriction of numbers (e.g., to ensure they don't fall outside the range >> that >> can be stored in 16 or 32 bits). In many cases, these patterns include the >> ability to zero-prefix some (but not all) decimal values. For example, the >> production for route-origin would allow leading zeros in "2:0100:0555" >> but not >> in "2:04294967295:065535" (even though "2:4294967295:65535" is okay). I >> don't >> know offhand whether it makes sense to allow leading zeros in these >> fields, but >> I would argue that the production should be consistent in allowing or >> disallowing them. This issue arises in various forms in route-target, >> ipv6-route-target, route-origin, and ipv6-route-origin. > We’ll look at this and get back to you - a lot of time has already gone > into formulating and testing these patterns. Yes, and it would be a shame if that work resulted in publishing patterns with known issues. This flaw arises in three formulations (each of which appear multiple times), and would be quite easy to fix. These fixes should be obvious by inspection. 32 bits (0-4,294,967,295)   Replace: [0-3]?[0-9]{0,8}[0-9]   With:    [1-3][0-9]{9}|[1-9][0-9]{0,8}|0 16 bits (0-65535)   Replace: [0-5]?[0-9]{0,3}[0-9]   With:    [1-5][0-9]{4}|[1-9][0-9]{0,3}|0 8 bits (0-255)   Replace: [01]?[0-9]?[0-9]   With:    1[0-9]{2}|[1-9]?[0-9] ____ As an aside: replacing "[0-9]" with "\d" everywhere would make these patterns easier to read in general, but this is merely a readability improvement rather than a bug fix. Compare:          + '(2:(429496729[0-5]|42949672[0-8][0-9]|'          +     '4294967[01][0-9]{2}|'          +     '429496[0-6][0-9]{3}|42949[0-5][0-9]{4}|'          +     '4294[0-8][0-9]{5}|'          + '429[0-3][0-9]{6}|42[0-8][0-9]{7}|4[01][0-9]{8}|'          +     '[1-3][0-9]{9}|[1-9][0-9]{0,8}|0):'          +     '(6553[0-5]|655[0-2][0-9]|65[0-4][0-9]{2}|'          +     '6[0-4][0-9]{3}|'          +     '[1-5][0-9]{4}|[1-9][0-9]{0,3}|0))|' Becomes:          + '(2:(429496729[0-5]|42949672[0-8]\d|'          +     '4294967[01]\d{2}|'          +     '429496[0-6]\d{3}|42949[0-5]\d{4}|'          +     '4294[0-8]\d{5}|'          +     '429[0-3]\d{6}|42[0-8]\d{7}|4[01]\d{8}|'          +     '[1-3]\d{9}|[1-9]\d{0,8}|0):'          +     '(6553[0-5]|655[0-2]\d|65[0-4]\d{2}|'          +     '6[0-4]\d{3}|'          +     '[1-5]\d{4}|[1-9]\d{0,3}|0))|' /a From nobody Thu Oct 12 10:15:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4178133032; 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s=iport; t=1507890069; x=1509099669; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nLhc2BwSHlct0wtwJtuN8sj23Ra5Ek67FC94j+pinoo=; b=b8tj4bjYHiOx0jkuE/pQl7Ov6N5ejPkktR10pIoY2+TqVUSpm5fNV7qF 2CqH5OwtrzcpQjamtRJYHldaOYaH+MRogod9EEi7pr4E5Md6/gcgxI9Jv zjMn9/xsSWPdNoclkj/79Ch1CSfZwgL4+8O2RoCJSgEldi5BROewNJBZU k=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,370,1503360000"; d="scan'208";a="697997101" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 Oct 2017 10:21:06 +0000 Received: from [10.63.23.63] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-63.cisco.com [10.63.23.63]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9DAL6oc023171; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:21:06 GMT Subject: Re: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-16: (with COMMENT) To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Adam Roach , The IESG Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" References: <150776904011.16844.17501743592969348058.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <18af05f7-cdab-7c87-65d9-9b67f5464ca1@nostrum.com> From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <13ecdc41-a6c8-be57-c7c2-0eabca727784@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:21:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:21:14 -0000 Hi, On 12/10/2017 18:15, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Adam, > > On 10/12/17, 12:12 PM, "Adam Roach" wrote: > >> On 10/11/17 20:16, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >>>> ____ >>>> >>>> There are several patterns in the YANG definition that perform >>>> significant >>>> restriction of numbers (e.g., to ensure they don't fall outside the >>>> range >>>> that >>>> can be stored in 16 or 32 bits). In many cases, these patterns include >>>> the >>>> ability to zero-prefix some (but not all) decimal values. For example, >>>> the >>>> production for route-origin would allow leading zeros in "2:0100:0555" >>>> but not >>>> in "2:04294967295:065535" (even though "2:4294967295:65535" is okay). I >>>> don't >>>> know offhand whether it makes sense to allow leading zeros in these >>>> fields, but >>>> I would argue that the production should be consistent in allowing or >>>> disallowing them. This issue arises in various forms in route-target, >>>> ipv6-route-target, route-origin, and ipv6-route-origin. >>> We’ll look at this and get back to you - a lot of time has already gone >>> into formulating and testing these patterns. >> >> Yes, and it would be a shame if that work resulted in publishing >> patterns with known issues. >> >> This flaw arises in three formulations (each of which appear multiple >> times), and would be quite easy to fix. These fixes should be obvious by >> inspection. >> >> 32 bits (0-4,294,967,295) >> Replace: [0-3]?[0-9]{0,8}[0-9] >> With: [1-3][0-9]{9}|[1-9][0-9]{0,8}|0 >> >> 16 bits (0-65535) >> Replace: [0-5]?[0-9]{0,3}[0-9] >> With: [1-5][0-9]{4}|[1-9][0-9]{0,3}|0 >> >> 8 bits (0-255) >> Replace: [01]?[0-9]?[0-9] >> With: 1[0-9]{2}|[1-9]?[0-9] > Yes - this doesn’t appear to be a complicate fix at all. We’re going to > get more eyes on it and do some tests with https://yangcatalog.org/yangre/ > but we should be able to fix this. For what its worth, and I'm not proposing this is changed now given that this has been discussed previously, but I do think that this is another example of the dangers inherent with specifying precise, but more complex, regular expressions in YANG for checking numerical values. E.g. I still prefer "[0-9]{0,10}" instead of "429496729[0-5]|42949672[0-8][0-9]|4294967[01][0-9]{2}|429496[0-6][0-9]{3}|42949[0-5][0-9]{4}|4294[0-8][0-9]{5}|429[0-3][0-9]{6}|42[0-8][0-9]{7}|4[01][0-9]{8}|[1-3][0-9]{9}|[1-9][0-9]{0,8}|0". Yes, it allows some invalid numerical values, which would presumably fail when the value is converted to a internal numerical format, but it is easier to read/review, and is harder to get wrong.  Besides even if a stricter regex validates that it the value is syntactically correct it still doesn't mean that the correct intended value has been used ... > >> ____ >> >> As an aside: replacing "[0-9]" with "\d" everywhere would make these >> patterns easier to read in general, but this is merely a readability >> improvement rather than a bug fix. Compare: >> >> + '(2:(429496729[0-5]|42949672[0-8][0-9]|' >> + '4294967[01][0-9]{2}|' >> + '429496[0-6][0-9]{3}|42949[0-5][0-9]{4}|' >> + '4294[0-8][0-9]{5}|' >> + '429[0-3][0-9]{6}|42[0-8][0-9]{7}|4[01][0-9]{8}|' >> + '[1-3][0-9]{9}|[1-9][0-9]{0,8}|0):' >> + '(6553[0-5]|655[0-2][0-9]|65[0-4][0-9]{2}|' >> + '6[0-4][0-9]{3}|' >> + '[1-5][0-9]{4}|[1-9][0-9]{0,3}|0))|' >> >> Becomes: >> >> + '(2:(429496729[0-5]|42949672[0-8]\d|' >> + '4294967[01]\d{2}|' >> + '429496[0-6]\d{3}|42949[0-5]\d{4}|' >> + '4294[0-8]\d{5}|' >> + '429[0-3]\d{6}|42[0-8]\d{7}|4[01]\d{8}|' >> + '[1-3]\d{9}|[1-9]\d{0,8}|0):' >> + '(6553[0-5]|655[0-2]\d|65[0-4]\d{2}|' >> + '6[0-4]\d{3}|' >> + '[1-5]\d{4}|[1-9]\d{0,3}|0))|' > > Although this is a somewhat controversial subject, we used “[0-9]" for > portability for implementations using non-standard regular expression > parsers. The XML regex language that is reused by YANG is built for Unicode support.  Hence '\d' matches all digit characters in all scripts, i.e. it actually matches 500+ characters rather than just the ASCII digits 0-9, and in most network configuration models that is probably not what is wanted.  I'm not sure whether it matters that \d matches a much larger class of characters, but at least with [0-9] it is entirely unambiguous. Thanks, Rob > > > Thanks, > Acee > >> >> /a > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Fri Oct 13 12:33:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E014126BF3; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:33:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-17.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150792318946.23914.2055072958517694050@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:33:09 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:33:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Routing Area Common YANG Data Types Authors : Xufeng Liu Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Christian Hopps Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-17.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2017-10-13 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. 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WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150678074289.3430.13577948437978115990@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------89AEFD77F0BF8A832B3AF087" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:49:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------89AEFD77F0BF8A832B3AF087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp draft authors, I have a couple of comments on the latest revision of this draft: 1) The top level "vrrp container" has the right name, but can be "config false" since it doesn't hold any configuration today. This is noting that RFC 7950 allows the "vrrp container" to become "config true" as a backwards compatible change in future if required. 2) I've also noticed that this draft defined two separate versions of the VRRP YANG module.  The second version in the appendix is for pre-NMDA implementations:    file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang"    module ietf-vrrp {      yang-version 1.1;      namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp";      prefix "vrrp"; And    file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-22.yang"    module ietf-vrrp {      yang-version 1.1;      namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp";      prefix "vrrp"; Generically, I don't think that it is a good idea to define two versions of the same YANG module in one draft. If a backwards compatible NMDA version of a module is required, then an extra "-state" module should be put in the appendix instead (e.g. ietf-vrrp-state@2017-09-25.yang).  This "-state" module could be used in conjunction with ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang until NMDA implementations are available. Alternatively, if you must define an existing pre NMDA version of the VRRP module then it should definitely be given a different module name, e.g. ietf-vrrp-split-tree@2017-09-25.yang.  But I believe that this would be an inferior solution since, compared to a separate "-state" module, it will make it harder for clients to migrate to the NMDA modules in future. Finally, having actually read at the main VRRP module, then on the assumption that VRRP is always configured before it is used, then the "NMDA version" may well be sufficient to use on both existing NETCONF implementations and NMDA compatible NETCONF implementations.  The only thing that you can't see when using the NMDA version of the module on a "pre NMDA" implementation is the applied VRRP configuration.  Whether this is important enough to not define the extra "-state" module is unclear, but my instinct would be that it is better to just leave it out. Thanks, Rob On 30/09/2017 15:12, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. > > Title : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) > Authors : Xufeng Liu > Athanasios Kyparlis > Ravi Parikh > Acee Lindem > Mingui Zhang > Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05.txt > Pages : 68 > Date : 2017-09-30 > > Abstract: > This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy > Protocol (VRRP). Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > . > --------------89AEFD77F0BF8A832B3AF087 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp draft authors,

I have a couple of comments on the latest revision of this draft:

1) The top level "vrrp container" has the right name, but can be "config false" since it doesn't hold any configuration today.  This is noting that RFC 7950 allows the "vrrp container" to become "config true" as a backwards compatible change in future if required.

2) I've also noticed that this draft defined two separate versions of the VRRP YANG module.  The second version in the appendix is for pre-NMDA implementations:

   <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang"
   module ietf-vrrp {
     yang-version 1.1;
     namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp";
     prefix "vrrp";

And
   <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-22.yang"
   module ietf-vrrp {
     yang-version 1.1;
     namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp";
     prefix "vrrp";

Generically, I don't think that it is a good idea to define two versions of the same YANG module in one draft.

If a backwards compatible NMDA version of a module is required, then an extra "-state" module should be put in the appendix instead (e.g. ietf-vrrp-state@2017-09-25.yang).  This "-state" module could be used in conjunction with ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang until NMDA implementations are available.

Alternatively, if you must define an existing pre NMDA version of the VRRP module then it should definitely be given a different module name, e.g. ietf-vrrp-split-tree@2017-09-25.yang.  But I believe that this would be an inferior solution since, compared to a separate "-state" module, it will make it harder for clients to migrate to the NMDA modules in future.

Finally, having actually read at the main VRRP module, then on the assumption that VRRP is always configured before it is used, then the "NMDA version" may well be sufficient to use on both existing NETCONF implementations and NMDA compatible NETCONF implementations.  The only thing that you can't see when using the NMDA version of the module on a "pre NMDA" implementation is the applied VRRP configuration.  Whether this is important enough to not define the extra "-state" module is unclear, but my instinct would be that it is better to just leave it out.

Thanks,
Rob


On 30/09/2017 15:12, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF.

        Title           : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP)
        Authors         : Xufeng Liu
                          Athanasios Kyparlis
                          Ravi Parikh
                          Acee Lindem
                          Mingui Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05.txt
	Pages           : 68
	Date            : 2017-09-30

Abstract:
   This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy
   Protocol (VRRP).  Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered.


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"draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" References: <150678074289.3430.13577948437978115990@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:39:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5C3CD12769C0B4E338E5129B" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:39:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5C3CD12769C0B4E338E5129B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Xufeng, Thanks, some comments inline ... On 17/10/2017 14:57, Xufeng Liu wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > Thanks for examining this and providing the comments. > > *From:*Robert Wilton [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com] > *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 8:49 AM > *To:* draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > *Cc:* Benoit Claise (bclaise) ; Alia Atlas > > *Subject:* Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05.txt > > Hi draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp draft authors, > > I have a couple of comments on the latest revision of this draft: > > 1) The top level "vrrp container" has the right name, but can be > "config false" since it doesn't hold any configuration today.  This is > noting that RFC 7950 allows the "vrrp container" to become "config > true" as a backwards compatible change in future if required. > > */[Xufeng] However, making the container “config false” would prevent > vendor augmentations from adding nodes that are “config true”./* > This equivalent logic could apply to any "config false" node in any YANG data tree ;-) The generic solution here is that the standard model should be "config false", and the vendor model should have a deviation on the top level VRRP container to make it "config true" and then augment it with the vendor configuration. > 2) I've also noticed that this draft defined two separate versions of > the VRRP YANG module.  The second version in the appendix is for > pre-NMDA implementations: > >    file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang" > >    module ietf-vrrp { >      yang-version 1.1; >      namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp"; >      prefix "vrrp"; > > And >    file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-22.yang" > >    module ietf-vrrp { >      yang-version 1.1; >      namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp"; >      prefix "vrrp"; > > Generically, I don't think that it is a good idea to define two > versions of the same YANG module in one draft. > > */[Xufeng] /**/This is to address Alia’s comment about “/*that there is an implementation. That implies that the existing model should be in the appendix.” > */I think that such a case has not been thoroughly discussed. In the > NMDA Guidelines, this case falls into category  (b).(“/*either an existing model or ... > */”). The goal here is to provide a model that does not break the > existing implementation, and can work with previous version of > ietf-interfaces in RFC7223. For such a purpose, none of the following > suggestions works too well./* > > I think that existing implementations should just implement whichever ID version of the module that they have currently implement.  I don't think that means that IETF should have to publish that ID version as part of an RFC.  It isn't like the old revision goes away once the RFC has been published. Your new NMDA compatible module doesn't have any direct dependency on RFC7223bis, i.e. when I tried it compile your NMDA version of the VRRP module it works just fine with the existing RFC 7223 version of ietf-interfaces.yang (i.e. rev 2014-05-08).  The VRRP state nodes would appear under the interfaces/interface part of the tree, but given that VRRP would always expect to be configured to have any state this should be fine, and is valid YANG. > > If a backwards compatible NMDA version of a module is required, then > an extra "-state" module should be put in the appendix instead (e.g. > ietf-vrrp-state@2017-09-25.yang > ). This "-state" module could > be used in conjunction with ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang > until NMDA implementations are > available. > > */[Xufeng] There is no such a parent root “-state” module in either > RFC7223 or RFC7223bis, so we cannot create such a module cleanly, > following the conventions in the guideline. If we did, such a module > would break the current implementations./* > When generating a state tree, special consideration needs to be applied for modules that have already been published with existing state trees.  In that case, the generated "-state" module would augment interfaces-state/interface/ipv6. These steps here might be slightly more accurate for generating a state module: https://github.com/netmod-wg/FAQ/wiki/NMDA-Modelling-FAQ#Q4 > *//* > > > Alternatively, if you must define an existing pre NMDA version of the > VRRP module then it should definitely be given a different module > name, e.g. ietf-vrrp-split-tree@2017-09-25.yang > . But I believe that this > would be an inferior solution since, compared to a separate "-state" > module, it will make it harder for clients to migrate to the NMDA > modules in future. > > */[Xufeng] Why is the different name necessary. The name > “ietf-vrrp-split-tree” has some issues: 1) breaks the currently > implementation; 2) the naming is arbitrary, without any conventional > rules; 3) brings more confusions./* > I just think that it is very confusing for a single draft to publish two module revisions with the same name.  Particularly given that two modules don't follow the YANG upgrade rules.  Tooling like RFC strip will automatically extract both revisions etc.  The name doesn't need to be "ietf-vrrp-split-tree", just any unique name. But as mentioned below, I don't think that you should need to publish it at all. > *//* > > */Why can’t we use the same name? with one older version and one newer > version, just like ietf-interfaces with two versions (one in RFC7223 > and RFC7223bis). The older version reflects the older (current) > implementation working with RFC7223 without NMDA. When the vendor > moves to NMDA and RFC7223bis, the newer version will be used./* > The version in RFC7223bis is a backwards compatible upgrade to the existing RFC7223 version.  I.e. it hasn't removed any existing nodes, it had just marked part of the tree as deprecated. I don't see the benefit in putting the old revision into the RFC, it was just a working draft version of the model, a foot note in history on the path of standardization. > > Finally, having actually read at the main VRRP module, then on the > assumption that VRRP is always configured before it is used, then the > "NMDA version" may well be sufficient to use on both existing NETCONF > implementations and NMDA compatible NETCONF implementations.  The only > thing that you can't see when using the NMDA version of the module on > a "pre NMDA" implementation is the applied VRRP configuration.  > Whether this is important enough to not define the extra "-state" > module is unclear, but my instinct would be that it is better to just > leave it out. > > */[Xufeng] The “applied configuration” is a feature that could be > useful, but not something that the VRRP model has to have. If it were > not for being close to the existing implementations, we’d use only the > NMDA model. The “pre NMDA” implementation uses ietf-interfaces in > RFC7223, which has the -state branch. A matching VRRP model would be > more consistent and convenient for such implementations. If we had > only the NMDA model, we’d force the implementation to update to the > NMDA VRRP model (and better with RFC7223bis). The older version of the > non-NMDA model would not require the implementation to change > immediately./* > > */It is all about the existing implementations. We can have several > levels of convenience for the implementations. If it is ok to require > them to upgrade now, we can drop the non-NMDA version./* > I don't think that we have to require them to upgrade now, I think that they should use whichever pre-standard version they are currently using, but I wouldn't put this into the RFC (not even in the appendix), it will just cause confusion in the long term. E.g. for a protocol draft you wouldn't expect a RFC to describe other pre-standard specifications before it was standardized.  I'm not sure why YANG modules should be treated any differently. Thanks, Rob > *//* > > */Thanks, > - Xufeng/* > > Thanks, > Rob > > *//* > > On 30/09/2017 15:12, internet-drafts@ietf.org > wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. > >         Title           : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) > >         Authors         : Xufeng Liu > >                           Athanasios Kyparlis > >                           Ravi Parikh > >                           Acee Lindem > >                           Mingui Zhang > > Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05.txt > > Pages           : 68 > > Date            : 2017-09-30 > > Abstract: > >    This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy > >    Protocol (VRRP).  Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered. > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05 > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > --------------5C3CD12769C0B4E338E5129B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Xufeng,

Thanks, some comments inline ...


On 17/10/2017 14:57, Xufeng Liu wrote:

Hi Rob,

 

Thanks for examining this and providing the comments.

 

From: Robert Wilton [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:49 AM
To: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org
Cc: Benoit Claise (bclaise) <bclaise@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05.txt

 

Hi draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp draft authors,

I have a couple of comments on the latest revision of this draft:

1) The top level "vrrp container" has the right name, but can be "config false" since it doesn't hold any configuration today.  This is noting that RFC 7950 allows the "vrrp container" to become "config true" as a backwards compatible change in future if required.

[Xufeng] However, making the container “config false” would prevent vendor augmentations from adding nodes that are “config true”.

This equivalent logic could apply to any "config false" node in any YANG data tree ;-)

The generic solution here is that the standard model should be "config false", and the vendor model should have a deviation on the top level VRRP container to make it "config true" and then augment it with the vendor configuration.


2) I've also noticed that this draft defined two separate versions of the VRRP YANG module.  The second version in the appendix is for pre-NMDA implementations:

   <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang"
   module ietf-vrrp {
     yang-version 1.1;
     namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp";
     prefix "vrrp";

And
   <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-vrrp@2017-09-22.yang"
   module ietf-vrrp {
     yang-version 1.1;
     namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-vrrp";
     prefix "vrrp";

Generically, I don't think that it is a good idea to define two versions of the same YANG module in one draft.

[Xufeng] This is to address Alia’s comment about “that there is an implementation. That implies that the existing model should be in the appendix.”
I think that such a case has not been thoroughly discussed. In the NMDA Guidelines, this case falls into category  (b).(“either an existing model or ...
”). The goal here is to provide a model that does not break the existing implementation, and can work with previous version of ietf-interfaces in RFC7223. For such a purpose, none of the following suggestions works too well.


I think that existing implementations should just implement whichever ID version of the module that they have currently implement.  I don't think that means that IETF should have to publish that ID version as part of an RFC.  It isn't like the old revision goes away once the RFC has been published.

Your new NMDA compatible module doesn't have any direct dependency on RFC7223bis, i.e. when I tried it compile your NMDA version of the VRRP module it works just fine with the existing RFC 7223 version of ietf-interfaces.yang (i.e. rev 2014-05-08).  The VRRP state nodes would appear under the interfaces/interface part of the tree, but given that VRRP would always expect to be configured to have any state this should be fine, and is valid YANG.


If a backwards compatible NMDA version of a module is required, then an extra "-state" module should be put in the appendix instead (e.g. ietf-vrrp-state@2017-09-25.yang).  This "-state" module could be used in conjunction with ietf-vrrp@2017-09-25.yang until NMDA implementations are available.

[Xufeng] There is no such a parent root “-state” module in either RFC7223 or RFC7223bis, so we cannot create such a module cleanly, following the conventions in the guideline. If we did, such a module would break the current implementations.

When generating a state tree, special consideration needs to be applied for modules that have already been published with existing state trees.  In that case, the generated "-state" module would augment interfaces-state/interface/ipv6.

These steps here might be slightly more accurate for generating a state module:
https://github.com/netmod-wg/FAQ/wiki/NMDA-Modelling-FAQ#Q4


Alternatively, if you must define an existing pre NMDA version of the VRRP module then it should definitely be given a different module name, e.g. ietf-vrrp-split-tree@2017-09-25.yang.  But I believe that this would be an inferior solution since, compared to a separate "-state" module, it will make it harder for clients to migrate to the NMDA modules in future.

[Xufeng] Why is the different name necessary. The name “ietf-vrrp-split-tree” has some issues: 1) breaks the currently implementation; 2) the naming is arbitrary, without any conventional rules; 3) brings more confusions.

I just think that it is very confusing for a single draft to publish two module revisions with the same name.  Particularly given that two modules don't follow the YANG upgrade rules.  Tooling like RFC strip will automatically extract both revisions etc.  The name doesn't need to be "ietf-vrrp-split-tree", just any unique name.  But as mentioned below, I don't think that you should need to publish it at all.

Why can’t we use the same name? with one older version and one newer version, just like ietf-interfaces with two versions (one in RFC7223 and RFC7223bis). The older version reflects the older (current) implementation working with RFC7223 without NMDA. When the vendor moves to NMDA and RFC7223bis, the newer version will be used.

The version in RFC7223bis is a backwards compatible upgrade to the existing RFC7223 version.  I.e. it hasn't removed any existing nodes, it had just marked part of the tree as deprecated.

I don't see the benefit in putting the old revision into the RFC, it was just a working draft version of the model, a foot note in history on the path of standardization.


Finally, having actually read at the main VRRP module, then on the assumption that VRRP is always configured before it is used, then the "NMDA version" may well be sufficient to use on both existing NETCONF implementations and NMDA compatible NETCONF implementations.  The only thing that you can't see when using the NMDA version of the module on a "pre NMDA" implementation is the applied VRRP configuration.  Whether this is important enough to not define the extra "-state" module is unclear, but my instinct would be that it is better to just leave it out.

[Xufeng] The “applied configuration” is a feature that could be useful, but not something that the VRRP model has to have. If it were not for being close to the existing implementations, we’d use only the NMDA model. The “pre NMDA” implementation uses ietf-interfaces in RFC7223, which has the -state branch. A matching VRRP model would be more consistent and convenient for such implementations. If we had only the NMDA model, we’d force the implementation to update to the NMDA VRRP model (and better with RFC7223bis). The older version of the non-NMDA model would not require the implementation to change immediately.

It is all about the existing implementations. We can have several levels of convenience for the implementations. If it is ok to require them to upgrade now, we can drop the non-NMDA version.

I don't think that we have to require them to upgrade now, I think that they should use whichever pre-standard version they are currently using, but I wouldn't put this into the RFC (not even in the appendix), it will just cause confusion in the long term.

E.g. for a protocol draft you wouldn't expect a RFC to describe other pre-standard specifications before it was standardized.  I'm not sure why YANG modules should be treated any differently.

Thanks,
Rob


Thanks,
- Xufeng

Thanks,
Rob

On 30/09/2017 15:12, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:

 
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF.
 
        Title           : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP)
        Authors         : Xufeng Liu
                          Athanasios Kyparlis
                          Ravi Parikh
                          Acee Lindem
                          Mingui Zhang
 Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05.txt
 Pages           : 68
 Date            : 2017-09-30
 
Abstract:
   This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy
   Protocol (VRRP).  Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered.
 
 
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/
 
There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05
 
A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-05
 
 
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
 
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
 
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[107.1.141.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x87sm21229677pfi.10.2017.10.17.11.26.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:26:46 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.26.0.170902 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:26:45 -0700 Subject: RTGWG presentation slot requests in Singapore From: Jeff Tantsura To: CC: 'rtgwg-chairs' Message-ID: <8AEF30B9-235B-4BAB-8E71-83DFDD5A9610@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: RTGWG presentation slot requests in Singapore Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:26:51 -0000 Dear RTGWG, =20 It's that time again! The preliminary agenda for IETF 100 has been published; you can find it at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda.html =20 RTGWG will be meeting: 09:30- 12:00 on Monday, November 13 in Canning and 1= 3:30-15:30 on Thursday, November 16 in Canning room. If you'd like a slot to present a draft, please send a request to Chris and= I by Monday, October 30. Please note the dates below, in particular, the deadline for draft submissi= on is UTC 23:59 October 30. We kindly request to provide your presentations by Monday, November 6. =20 As always =E2=80=93 we would appreciate your help in taking notes and jabber, ple= ase do volunteer! =20 Looking forward to seeing you all in Singapore! =20 Cheers, Jeff and Chris =20 From nobody Thu Oct 19 05:47:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE7A132697; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com Received: 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Pg0K --_000_AM5PR0701MB2836880BF11EDA79D8F078E1E0420AM5PR0701MB2836_-- From nobody Fri Oct 20 17:25:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08C113448D; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: akatlas@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: rtgwg - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 100 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854545391.20809.17745289026708625786.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:13 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:24:14 -0000 Dear Jeff Tantsura, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. rtgwg Session 1 (2:00:00) Thursday, Afternoon Session I 1330-1530 Room Name: Canning size: 250 --------------------------------------------- rtgwg Session 2 (2:30:00) Monday, Morning Session I 0930-1200 Room Name: Canning size: 250 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Routing Area Working Group Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Jeff Tantsura Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 120 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: isis mpls ospf pce idr spring Second Priority: bess bier teas ccamp i2rs netmod Third Priority: bfd detnet lime nvo3 pim netconf People who must be present: Alia Atlas Jeff Tantsura Chris Bowers Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Oct 23 07:35:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A82139059; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:35:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-06.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150876934274.24876.9185498076937363929@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:35:42 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:35:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : SPF Back-off algorithm for link state IGPs Authors : Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Hannes Gredler Acee Lindem Pierre Francois Chris Bowers Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-06.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2017-10-23 Abstract: This document defines a standard algorithm to back-off link-state IGP SPF computations. Having one standard algorithm improves interoperability by reducing the probability and/or duration of transient forwarding loops during the IGP convergence when the IGP reacts to multiple temporally close IGP events. 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[107.1.141.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i12sm5369964qkh.83.2017.10.23.14.32.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.27.0.171010 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:32:03 -0700 Subject: Re: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa From: Jeff Tantsura To: RTGWG CC: 'rtgwg-chairs' , Message-ID: <4CE12617-5826-4007-8E4D-F6AEA121253B@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa References: <54C4852B-E98A-4B6A-83EF-68D4E3CBC478@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54C4852B-E98A-4B6A-83EF-68D4E3CBC478@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 21:32:06 -0000 As co-author: I=E2=80=99m not aware of any relevant IPR that applies to the draft. Cheers, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Tantsura Date: Monday, October 23, 2017 at 14:29 To: RTGWG Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' , Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa Dear RTGWG, =20 While authors are addressing shepherd=E2=80=99 comments, co-chairs would like= to start IPR call on the draft. =20 If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond t= o this email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has be= en received from each author and each individual that has contributed to t= he document. =20 Thanks, Jeff and Chris =20 =20 =20 =20 From nobody Mon Oct 23 14:34:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77735138351 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:34:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uOyL8yW-Cx5W for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E81C713A415 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw4 (unknown [10.0.90.85]) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8621AB043 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id R9aS1w0082SSUrH019aVPL; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:34:30 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=JNNLi4Cb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=02M-m0pO-4AA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=b_WksXNRxVlq5zQGuUoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject: References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PpT282Bq8XmvQKv/DOm9NZXHwBdFacrz+ZuZ61D+D3I=; b=wmZiPKmvymDWCb3C3OKRwAlqE2 y2kgI96HK+JQgSBd51drHop32+LZ/aWQviyYh01MmQWwFeb/A5t8lfFrfHz0b0DVOCiFrhWvpleVL le3TDFRD1xYqyrsmz1v+tRlCO; Received: from [172.58.185.37] (port=31782 helo=[IPV6:2607:fb90:64b8:413f:0:47:1f1a:2201]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1e6kMb-002jSU-V7; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:34:26 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: Jeff Tantsura , RTGWG CC: "Rtg-dt-yang-arch" , "'rtgwg-chairs'" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <15f4b286f30.27d3.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.11.0-568 (build: 101100004) Subject: Re: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 172.58.185.37 X-Exim-ID: 1e6kMb-002jSU-V7 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPV6:2607:fb90:64b8:413f:0:47:1f1a:2201]) [172.58.185.37]:31782 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 21:34:32 -0000 Hi, I am not aware of any relevant IPR. Lou As contributor On October 23, 2017 5:17:43 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Dear RTGWG, > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model. > > The interdependencies related to draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount have been > addressed. > There was consensus that document is ready for the last call during the > last IETF meeting > and the authors have addressed all the comments from Directorate QA review > and YANGDOCTORS. > Please indicate support or no-support by November 6, 2017. > > IPR: > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the > document. > > Thanks, > Jeff & Chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > From nobody Mon Oct 23 15:02:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86C213A2B8 for ; 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Lou As contributor On October 23, 2017 5:18:00 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Dear RTGWG, > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model > > The interdependencies related to draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount have been > addressed. > There was consensus that document is ready for the last call during the > last IETF meeting > and the authors have addressed all the comments from Directorate QA review > and YANGDOCTORS. > Please indicate support or no-support by November 6, 2017. > > IPR: > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the > document. > > Thanks, > Jeff & Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > From nobody Tue Oct 24 01:22:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB5813E582; 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Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:35:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" Subject: Protocol Action: 'Routing Area Common YANG Data Types' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-17.txt) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com, draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org, Jeff Tantsura , jefftant.ietf@gmail.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, rtgwg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150886292406.25144.974868744887012994.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:35:24 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 16:35:24 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Routing Area Common YANG Data Types' (draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-17.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/ Technical Summary This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. Working Group Summary This draft has been thoroughly discussed in the WG, very good feedback has been provided by OPS area and vendor community. The draft adoption and progress has received full support from the WG. All comments have been addressed. The draft is ready for publication. Document Quality The draft went thru many rounds of reviews by YANG-Doctors as well as implementors, which resulted in a very high quality document. There are upcoming implementations and multiple vendors have shown significant interest in the topic. Personnel Jeff Tantsura is the Document Shepherd. Alia Atlas is the Responsible Area Director. 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Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 5:17 PM > To: RTGWG > Cc: Rtg-dt-yang-arch ; 'rtgwg-chairs' > > Subject: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model >=20 > Dear RTGWG, >=20 > The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-mo= del >=20 > The interdependencies related to draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount have been > addressed. > There was consensus that document is ready for the last call during the l= ast IETF > meeting and the authors have addressed all the comments from Directorate = QA > review and YANGDOCTORS. > Please indicate support or no-support by November 6, 2017. >=20 > IPR: > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to = this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the > document. >=20 > Thanks, > Jeff & Chris >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Tue Oct 24 12:32:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A591813F3D2; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KAb4CZr1VWKR; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22a.google.com (mail-qk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 840F313F823; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id d67so27755854qkg.5; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id:thread-topic :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IeceYrIV2Nhxmd19kBiAdaCxwsZIwgi2qCXWic/KTc0=; b=N9pUqXpMwbCxGkfWz0aLvM20FiezfBIzk2rDzXx4O9yb5kPLYrM+Ltoq2WamTjoqms vdL4TGWBD2+PEy+1AIsqZ5yrCdaTJX21AWn4DHfSP3tB+v9OpWk9jx2+l162rnN2D4at KJYBYLziGBBcbLdCBVz+eNTqV5Ye/EVjRYYYWv3jnrQkRJFgLR2nMKuzIPuziGdyoOtA VM8F1fPGog4MDNcOoQSr0SqiwbId5kArURAp/3OULyeH4uyKLpgc8kQKDyYqdkSa+0Jd vxVM3LtOFfti1mtHAlABKmmFkCeqe70K3nPqBcKhMXbP5UXRj6jpWoISWOiU4h/gvmXc 7N7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id :thread-topic:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IeceYrIV2Nhxmd19kBiAdaCxwsZIwgi2qCXWic/KTc0=; b=cVTEQ2R9hJ28WFshiCdIHc6du0bLxACUGRz32chkWdCSLTuS0gPVlFkk09vbkZuDE/ rOU27qe30i8nhuFWGe+qmCJLzbrD2SD2qlKNxav0HeV9xdFXVRM/iE/iPEym+fB6SrQG X1AXRvn8eP+DMGR9BwMcp7V5VXdHEP4EPdWDORpPqFqsqhEC3UGL71Yg4ITFmfvLW61R 94ICxoO+1ZtkprCN+HhvO/Bcp0RW87aFPlhAnJgqqmo0ma529Ls10z4kLCQkzGFRfoxU xT2vkIPeR/3GkVeGerjjFnIplMa9ZD5SYysyS26peZddQ3nDWgFkHlkeONgZL7hvmU49 WoFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWEI75tE64uq6GDC1pZZyowizo/dhVWp93xwf8RlHqTXxESCRZy 5gyntktF9VcOYZdcsVcYKwLfig== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+Rv2ZF7Z5Ke9t3LjoIi/HyjAogGYTCG36bx6QJL0HWj8NNklB+y/VLBga5rJmnz27HIS4GRFQ== X-Received: by 10.55.106.132 with SMTP id f126mr24478320qkc.295.1508873518655; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.254.146] (107-1-141-74-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [107.1.141.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v21sm787012qtv.21.2017.10.24.12.31.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.27.0.171010 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:31:57 -0700 Subject: Re: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa From: Jeff Tantsura To: , 'rtgwg-chairs' CC: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org" , RTGWG Message-ID: Thread-Topic: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa References: <54C4852B-E98A-4B6A-83EF-68D4E3CBC478@gmail.com> <28166_1508833342_59EEF83E_28166_125_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A478BCC6C@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <28166_1508833342_59EEF83E_28166_125_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A478BCC6C@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:32:02 -0000 Hi Bruno, Thanks for the note, fixed the replacement and IPR. Cheers, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 01:22 To: Jeff Tantsura , 'rtgwg-chairs' Cc: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org" , RTGWG Subject: RE: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa Hi chairs, all =20 I'm not aware of non-disclosed IPR. =20 Please note that 2 IPR had been disclosed on the individual version of = this document https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft= -psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa which are not disclosed on https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?sub= mit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa nor automatically refere= nced by the datatracker. =20 Probably related, the datatracker document/replaces field seems to be l= eft blank. Possibly, it could be filled with 2 drafts which have been merged= : draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa & draft-chunduri-rtgwg-lfa-exten= ded-procedures =20 Best regards, --Bruno =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 11:30 PM > To: RTGWG > Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs'; draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org > Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa >=20 > Dear RTGWG, >=20 > While authors are addressing shepherd=E2=80=99 comments, co-chairs would l= ike to start IPR call on the > draft. >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respon= d to this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has= been > received from each author and each individual that has contributed t= o the document. >=20 > Thanks, > Jeff and Chris >=20 >=20 =20 _______________________________________________________________________= __________________________________________________ =20 Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations conf= identielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks Pushpasis On Oct 24, 2017 03:00, "Jeff Tantsura" wrote: > Dear RTGWG, > > While authors are addressing shepherd=E2=80=99 comments, co-chairs would = like to > start IPR call on the draft. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to > this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the > document. > > Thanks, > Jeff and Chris > > > > --001a1147fad8e2ac76055c5127be Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeff,=C2=A0

I am not aware of any IPR other than the one already disclosed.=C2=A0

Thanks
Pushpasis

On Oct 24, 2017 03:00, "Jeff Tantsura" <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear RTGWG,

While authors are addressing shepherd=E2=80=99 comments, co-chairs would li= ke to start IPR call on the draft.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to th= is
email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list.
The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the d= ocument.

Thanks,
Jeff and Chris



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Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:32:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.25.23 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:32:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <25B4902B1192E84696414485F572685413515BB9@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <54C4852B-E98A-4B6A-83EF-68D4E3CBC478@gmail.com> <28166_1508833342_59EEF83E_28166_125_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A478BCC6C@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <25B4902B1192E84696414485F572685413515BB9@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> From: Hannes Gredler Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:32:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa To: Uma Chunduri Cc: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , Jeff Tantsura , rtgwg-chairs , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org" , RTGWG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140fa44692513055c5c9251" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:32:31 -0000 --001a1140fa44692513055c5c9251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not aware of any patents beyond the Juniper declared one. - /hannes On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Uma Chunduri wrote: > Dear Chairs & WG, > > Not aware of any non-disclosed IPRs related to this draft (yes, > disclosures happened on the non-WG version of this draft, as pointed by > Bruno below). > > -- > Uma C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:22 AM > To: Jeff Tantsura ; 'rtgwg-chairs' < > rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org> > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org; RTGWG > > Subject: RE: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa > > Hi chairs, all > > I'm not aware of non-disclosed IPR. > > Please note that 2 IPR had been disclosed on the individual version of > this document https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id= =3D > draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa > which are not disclosed on https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa no= r > automatically referenced by the datatracker. > > Probably related, the datatracker document/replaces field seems to be lef= t > blank. Possibly, it could be filled with 2 drafts which have been merged: > draft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa & draft-chunduri-rtgwg-lfa- > extended-procedures > > Best regards, > --Bruno > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, > October 23, 2017 11:30 PM > To: RTGWG > Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs'; > draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org > > Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa > > > > Dear RTGWG, > > > > While authors are addressing shepherd=E2=80=99 comments, co-chairs wou= ld like > to start IPR call on the > draft. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond > to this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has > been > received from each author and each individual that has contribute= d > to the document. > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff and Chris > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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not aware of any patents beyond the Juniper declared one. = - /hannes

On= Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Uma Chunduri <uma.chunduri@huawei.c= om> wrote:
Dear Chairs &= ; WG,

Not aware of any=C2=A0 non-disclosed IPRs related to this draft (yes, discl= osures happened on the non-WG version of this draft, as pointed by Bruno be= low).

--
Uma C.

-----Original Message-----
From: bruno.decraene@orange.co= m [mailto:bruno.decraene@o= range.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 1:22 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i= etf@gmail.com>; 'rtgwg-chairs' <rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: draf= t-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org; RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa

Hi chairs, all

I'm not aware of non-disclosed IPR.

Please note that 2 IPR had been disclosed on the individual version of this= document https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraf= t&id=3Ddraft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa
which are not disclosed on https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/= ?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa nor automatically referenced by the datatracker.

Probably related, the datatracker document/replaces field seems to be left = blank. Possibly, it could be filled with 2 drafts which have been merged: d= raft-psarkar-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa & draft-chunduri-rtgwg-lf= a-extended-procedures

Best regards,
--Bruno


=C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
=C2=A0> From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=C2=A0 > Sent: Monday, October 2= 3, 2017 11:30 PM=C2=A0 > To: RTGWG=C2=A0 > Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs'= ; draft-= ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org
=C2=A0> Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lf= a
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> Dear RTGWG,
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> While authors are addressing shepherd=E2=80=99 comments, co-chai= rs would like to start IPR call on the=C2=A0 > draft.
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please re= spond to this=C2=A0 > email of whether or not you are aware of any relev= ant IPR.
=C2=A0> The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list.
=C2=A0> The document will not advance to the next stage until a response= has been=C2=A0 > received from each author and each individual that has= contributed to the document.
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> Thanks,
=C2=A0> Jeff and Chris
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0>


_________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________________

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This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) Authors : Xufeng Liu Athanasios Kyparlis Ravi Parikh Acee Lindem Mingui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2017-10-26 Abstract: This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP). Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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E.g. OLD: module: ietf-vrrp +--rw vrrp +--ro +--ro statistics +--ro discontinuity-datetime? yang:date-and-time +--ro NEW: module: ietf-vrrp +--ro vrrp +--ro +--ro statistics +--ro discontinuity-datetime? yang:date-and-time +--ro Otherwise, looks good to me! Thanks, Rob On 26/10/2017 20:01, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. > > Title : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP) > Authors : Xufeng Liu > Athanasios Kyparlis > Ravi Parikh > Acee Lindem > Mingui Zhang > Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06.txt > Pages : 42 > Date : 2017-10-26 > > Abstract: > This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy > Protocol (VRRP). Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > . > --------------60ED932BB4050A23EFC1A58B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi authors,

One minor nit, I think that you need to update the tree diagram to show that the top level "vrrp" container is config false.

E.g.

OLD:

   module: ietf-vrrp
      +--rw vrrp
         +--ro <global operational states>
         +--ro statistics
            +--ro discontinuity-datetime?   yang:date-and-time
            +--ro <global statistics>

NEW:


   module: ietf-vrrp
      +--ro vrrp
         +--ro <global operational states>
         +--ro statistics
            +--ro discontinuity-datetime?   yang:date-and-time
            +--ro <global statistics>

Otherwise, looks good to me!

Thanks,
Rob


On 26/10/2017 20:01, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF.

        Title           : A YANG Data Model for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP)
        Authors         : Xufeng Liu
                          Athanasios Kyparlis
                          Ravi Parikh
                          Acee Lindem
                          Mingui Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06.txt
	Pages           : 42
	Date            : 2017-10-26

Abstract:
   This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy
   Protocol (VRRP).  Both version 2 and version 3 of VRRP are covered.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp/

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-06

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I have made no other changes. I will check through to see if there were any other comments that need addressing, but it is always good to baseline with the same text that went into the WG adoption poll. Hopefully the chairs are OK with the new name and the approach. - Stewart On 25/10/2017 22:25, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Dear RTGWG, > > The draft has been adopted as the working group draft. > Authors – please re-publish. > > Cheers, > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Tantsura > Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 12:46 > To: RTGWG > Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' , > Subject: Request for WG adoption of for draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync > > Dear RTGWG, > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt for draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync as the working group document. > > WG expressed support during the last RTGWG meeting and the authors have addressed all the comments received. > Please indicate support or no-support by August 18, 2017. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. 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Submitted as draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-timer-param-sync as requested by Les in WG adoption poll. I have made no other changes. I will check through to see if there were any other comments that need addressing, but it is always good to baseline with the same text that went into the WG adoption poll.

Hopefully the chairs are OK with the new name and the approach.

- Stewart


On 25/10/2017 22:25, Jeff Tantsura wrote:
Dear RTGWG,

The draft has been adopted as the working group draft.
Authors – please re-publish.

Cheers,
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 12:46
To: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' <rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, <draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync@ietf.org>
Subject: Request for WG adoption of for draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync

    Dear RTGWG,
    
    The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt for draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync as the working group document. 
    
    WG expressed support during the last RTGWG meeting and the authors have addressed all the comments received.
    Please indicate support or no-support by August 18, 2017.
    
    If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document.
    
    Cheers,
    Jeff

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Hi, dear all.

Recently we have submitted several drafts on CU-separated BNG device.&nb= sp;As CU-separated BNG is a bandnew architecture with a control plane (BNG-CP) and= user plane (BNG-UP) separation. As this is new, information model and related protocols are under research for a long= time in several small groups. Based on these research points, we have form= ed a small design team named CUSPDT(CU-separated-protocol design team) aimi= ng at resolving protocol based problems on CU-separated BNG. Anyway, it's not an offical design team. And it's ver= y shy to appear to you for the first time :)

The only = team rules is that: Everyone is welcome to join our design team sharin= g opinions and suggestions. 


Below, I = list all the related drafts while there are two new drafts contributed by t= he design team. One is the requirement of CU-separated-protocols and a= nother is the deployment model of CU-separated BNG in the real network.


Requirements of the protocols between CP and UP.

https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cusp-requirements/

CU-separated BNG device deployment model

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cu-separation-bng-dep= loyment/


Recently, there are other related dra= fts submitted before the design team constructed.


Architecture of CU-separated BNG device referring to BBF cloud co

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -gu-nfvrg-cloud-bng-architecture/

Th= e information model standardized in BNG information model draft

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-wcg-i2rs-cu-separation-infor-model/Due to our research and trial, we have found out that there are several inform= ation

VXLAN-GPE extension for BNG devices

https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-huang-nvo3-vxlan-gpe-extension-for-vbng/

YANG datamodel for CU and UP interfac= e

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-hu-rtgwg-cu-separation-yang-model/

We hope that authors from all these related drafts and others who are = interested in this can work together though the design team CUSPDT. 


BTW. CUSPDT can be Conneted all the time. And it's Unique. We need a Sag= e like you. Let's start this work with Passion!


Best regards.

--------------------= ---------------------------------------

Rong Gu
China Mobile Research Institute
No.32 Xuanwumen West Street, Xicheng District
Beijing, China, 100053
Mobile: +86 13811520541
Phone: +86 10 15801696688 Ext. 36211
Email: gurong@chinamobile.com

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[2600:6c4e:2200:4cb:5d83:bcb2:e501:dbac]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p84sm436010itc.3.2017.10.28.20.33.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-64C30803-3017-4234-B9DE-BDC079C332FF Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Give the introduction of CUSP design team and Solicit comments for all the related drafts of CU-seperated BNG From: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15A432) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:33:27 -0700 Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "nfvrg@irtf.org" , "i2rs@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" , "victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com" , "hushujun@chinamobile.com" , "hlisname@yahoo.com" , "ao.ting@zte.com.cn" , "gurong@chinamobile.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: =?utf-8?B?6aG+IOaIjg==?= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 03:33:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-64C30803-3017-4234-B9DE-BDC079C332FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rong, Are you planning to provide an update at IETF100?=20 Regards, Jeff > On Oct 28, 2017, at 17:42, =E9=A1=BE =E6=88=8E w= rote: >=20 > Hi, dear all. >=20 > Recently we have submitted several drafts on CU-separated BNG device. As C= U-separated BNG is a bandnew architecture with a control plane (BNG-CP) and u= ser plane (BNG-UP) separation. As this is new, information model and related= protocols are under research for a long time in several small groups. Based= on these research points, we have formed a small design team named CUSPDT(C= U-separated-protocol design team) aiming at resolving protocol based problem= s on CU-separated BNG. Anyway, it's not an offical design team. And it's ver= y shy to appear to you for the first time :) >=20 > The only team rules is that: Everyone is welcome to join our design team s= haring opinions and suggestions.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Below, I list all the related drafts while there are two new drafts contri= buted by the design team. One is the requirement of CU-separated-protocols a= nd another is the deployment model of CU-separated BNG in the real network. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Requirements of the protocols between CP and UP. >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cusp-requirements/ >=20 > CU-separated BNG device deployment model >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cu-separation-bng-depl= oyment/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Recently, there are other related drafts submitted before the design team c= onstructed. >=20 >=20 > Architecture of CU-separated BNG device referring to BBF cloud co >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gu-nfvrg-cloud-bng-architecture/ >=20 > The information model standardized in BNG information model draft >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wcg-i2rs-cu-separation-infor-model/= Due to our research and trial, we have found out that there are several info= rmation >=20 > VXLAN-GPE extension for BNG devices >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huang-nvo3-vxlan-gpe-extension-for-= vbng/ >=20 > YANG datamodel for CU and UP interface >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hu-rtgwg-cu-separation-yang-model/ >=20 > We hope that authors from all these related drafts and others who are inte= rested in this can work together though the design team CUSPDT.=20 >=20 >=20 > BTW. CUSPDT can be Conneted all the time. And it's Unique. We need a Sage l= ike you. Let's start this work with Passion! >=20 >=20 > Best regards. >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Rong Gu > China Mobile Research Institute > No.32 Xuanwumen West Street, Xicheng District > Beijing, China, 100053 > Mobile: +86 13811520541 > Phone: +86 10 15801696688 Ext. 36211 > Email: gurong@chinamobile.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg --Apple-Mail-64C30803-3017-4234-B9DE-BDC079C332FF Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rong,

Are you plannin= g to provide an update at IETF100? 

Regards,
Jeff

On Oct 28, 2017, at 17:42, =E9=A1=BE= =E6=88=8E <gurong_cmcc@outloo= k.com> wrote:

Hi, dear all.

Recently we have submitted several drafts on CU-separated BNG device.&nbs= p;As CU-separated BNG is a bandnew architecture with a control plane (BNG-CP) and us= er plane (BNG-UP) separation. As this is new, information model and related protocols are under research for a long t= ime in several small groups. Based on these research points, we have formed a= small design team named CUSPDT(CU-separated-protocol design team) aiming at= resolving protocol based problems on CU-separated BNG. Anyway, it's not an offical design team. And it's very= shy to appear to you for the first time :)

The only t= eam rules is that: Everyone is welcome to join our design team sharing o= pinions and suggestions. 


Below, I l= ist all the related drafts while there are two new drafts contributed by the= design team. One is the requirement of CU-separated-protocols and anot= her is the deployment model of CU-separated BNG in the real network.


Requirements of the protocols between CP and UP.

https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cusp-requirements/

CU-separated BNG device deployment model

htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cu-separation-bng-deploymen= t/


Recently, there are other related draf= ts submitted before the design team constructed.


Architecture of CU-separated BNG device referring to BBF cloud co

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gu= -nfvrg-cloud-bng-architecture/

The i= nformation model standardized in BNG information model draft

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -wcg-i2rs-cu-separation-infor-model/Due to our research and trial, we have found out that there are several informa= tion

VXLAN-GPE extension for BNG devices

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-huang-nvo3-vxlan-gpe-extension-for-vbng/

YANG datamodel for CU and UP interface=

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= hu-rtgwg-cu-separation-yang-model/

We hope that authors from all these related drafts and others who are i= nterested in this can work together though the design team CUSPDT. 
=


BTW. CUSPDT can be Conneted all the time. And it's Unique. We need a Sage= like you. Let's start this work with Passion!


Best regards.

----------------------= -------------------------------------

Rong Gu
China Mobile Research Institute
No.32 Xuanwumen West Street, Xicheng District
Beijing, China, 100053
Mobile: +86 13811520541
Phone: +86 10 15801696688 Ext. 36211
Email: gurong@chinamobile.com

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3592074120_547863199 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Stewart, =20 Thanks, that works, approved. =20 Cheers, Jeff From: Stewart Bryant Date: Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 12:50 To: Jeff Tantsura , RTGWG Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' , Subject: Re: Request for WG adoption of for draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync =20 Submitted as draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-timer-param-sync as requested by Les = in WG adoption poll. I have made no other changes. I will check through to s= ee if there were any other comments that need addressing, but it is always g= ood to baseline with the same text that went into the WG adoption poll. Hopefully the chairs are OK with the new name and the approach. - Stewart =20 On 25/10/2017 22:25, Jeff Tantsura wrote: Dear RTGWG, =20 The draft has been adopted as the working group draft. Authors =E2=80=93 please re-publish. =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Tantsura Date: Friday, August 4, 2017 at 12:46 To: RTGWG Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' , Subject: Request for WG adoption of for draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dear RTGWG, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The authors have requested the RTGWG to adopt for draft-bryant-rtgw= g-param-sync as the working group document.=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0WG expressed support during the last RTGWG meeting and the authors = have addressed all the comments received. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Please indicate support or no-support by August 18, 2017. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respon= d to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.= The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. 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Stewa= rt,

<= o:p> 

Thanks, that works, approved.

 

Cheers,

= Jeff

From: Stewart Bryant = <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, October 28, 2017 = at 12:50
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, RTGWG = <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' <rtgwg-chairs@tools.i= etf.org>, <draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync@ietf.org>
Subject: <= /b>Re: Request for WG adoption of for draft-bryant-rtgwg-param-sync

&nb= sp;

Submitted as draft= -ietf-rtgwg-routing-timer-param-sync as requested by Les in WG adoption poll= . I have made no other changes. I will check through to see if there were an= y other comments that need addressing, but it is always good to baseline wit= h the same text that went into the WG adoption poll.

Hopefully the chairs are OK with the new name and the approach.

=

- Stewart

 

On 25/10/2017 22:25, Jeff Tantsura wrote:

Dear RTGWG,
 
The draft has been ado=
pted as the working group draft.
Authors =E2=80=93 please re-publish.
 
Cheers,<=
/pre>
Jeff
 
-----Original=
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From: Jeff Tants=
ura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>=

Date: Friday, August 4, 2=
017 at 12:46
To: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Request for WG =
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
Dear RTGWG,
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The authors have requested the R=
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--B_3592074120_547863199-- From nobody Sun Oct 29 00:01:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A06913F6D1; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:01:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.451 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.451 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYIQVMyqARNe; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737E713F6D0; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pip.chopps.org (unknown [12.27.2.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A1E1F610E0; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 07:01:48 +0000 (UTC) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.19; emacs 25.3.1 From: Christian Hopps To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: RTGWG , Rtg-dt-yang-arch , 'rtgwg-chairs' Subject: Re: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 03:01:47 -0400 Message-ID: <877evee8tg.fsf@chopps.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 07:01:50 -0000 I am not aware of any IPR. Thanks, Chris (co-author). Jeff Tantsura writes: > Dear RTGWG, > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model. > > The interdependencies related to draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount have been addressed. > There was consensus that document is ready for the last call during the last IETF meeting > and the authors have addressed all the comments from Directorate QA review and YANGDOCTORS. > Please indicate support or no-support by November 6, 2017. > > IPR: > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. > > Thanks, > Jeff & Chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Sun Oct 29 00:03:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEEA13F5E6; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:03:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.451 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.451 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lVlwjA409KIB; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C3313F6CE; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pip.chopps.org (unknown [12.27.2.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E188862EEE; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 07:03:04 +0000 (UTC) References: <4445183E-5C0A-4D50-8C92-13E6C2B99FB8@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.19; emacs 25.3.1 From: Christian Hopps To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: RTGWG , Rtg-dt-yang-arch , 'rtgwg-chairs' Subject: Re: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model In-reply-to: <4445183E-5C0A-4D50-8C92-13E6C2B99FB8@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 03:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <8760aye8rb.fsf@chopps.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 07:03:06 -0000 I am not aware of any IPR. Thanks, Chris (as co-author). Jeff Tantsura writes: > Dear RTGWG, > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model > > The interdependencies related to draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount have been addressed. > There was consensus that document is ready for the last call during the last IETF meeting > and the authors have addressed all the comments from Directorate QA review and YANGDOCTORS. > Please indicate support or no-support by November 6, 2017. > > IPR: > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. > > Thanks, > Jeff & Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Sun Oct 29 03:17:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BE813FE1C; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 03:17:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0mpNXR0zZYJ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 03:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9BF13FE08; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 03:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.5]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app05-12005 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee559f5aaa26ad-04168; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:17:07 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee559f5aaa26ad-04168 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from GuRong (unknown[49.76.4.131]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr03-12003 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee359f5aa9c186-3ab3f; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:17:01 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee359f5aa9c186-3ab3f From: "Ariel Gu" To: "'Jeff Tantsura'" , =?utf-8?B?J+mhviDmiI4n?= Cc: , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Give the introduction of CUSP design team and Solicit comments for all the related drafts of CU-seperated BNG Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:17:27 +0800 Message-ID: <001001d3509f$1fb87200$5f295600$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01D350E2.2DE06CF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AdNQnsfplHB16XAeR9mGlCHb/WIEvQ== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 10:17:37 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D350E2.2DE06CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Jeff. We ask for 15 minutes time slot for the CUSP design team introduction = and new drafts especially the requirement of protocols in CP and UP BNG = devices in IETF100 RTGWG. We think it=E2=80=99s a meaningful work and we = want to share ideas with others. It would be helpful for the work = improvement if you can give us the time. =20 B.R. Gu Rong From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20 Time: 2017=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5 11:33 To: =E9=A1=BE =E6=88=8E CC: rtgwg@ietf.org; nfvrg@irtf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org; = victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com; hushujun@chinamobile.com; = hlisname@yahoo.com; ao.ting@zte.com.cn; gurong@chinamobile.com Topic: Re: Give the introduction of CUSP design team and Solicit = comments for all the related drafts of CU-seperated BNG =20 Hi Rong, =20 Are you planning to provide an update at IETF100?=20 Regards, Jeff On Oct 28, 2017, at 17:42, gurong > wrote: Hi, dear all. Recently we have submitted several drafts on CU-separated BNG device. As = CU-separated BNG is a bandnew architecture with a control plane (BNG-CP) = and user plane (BNG-UP) separation. As this is new, information model = and related protocols are under research for a long time in several = small groups. Based on these research points, we have formed a small = design team named CUSPDT(CU-separated-protocol design team) aiming at = resolving protocol based problems on CU-separated BNG. Anyway, it's not = an offical design team. And it's very shy to appear to you for the first = time :) The only team rules is that: Everyone is welcome to join our design team = sharing opinions and suggestions.=20 =20 Below, I list all the related drafts while there are two new drafts = contributed by the design team. One is the requirement of = CU-separated-protocols and another is the deployment model of = CU-separated BNG in the real network. =20 Requirements of the protocols between CP and UP. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cusp-requirements/ CU-separated BNG device deployment model https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cu-separation-bng-dep= loyment/ =20 Recently, there are other related drafts submitted before the design = team constructed. =20 Architecture of CU-separated BNG device referring to BBF cloud co https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gu-nfvrg-cloud-bng-architecture/ The information model standardized in BNG information model draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wcg-i2rs-cu-separation-infor-model= /Due to our research and trial, we have found out that there are several = information VXLAN-GPE extension for BNG devices https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huang-nvo3-vxlan-gpe-extension-for= -vbng/ YANG datamodel for CU and UP interface https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hu-rtgwg-cu-separation-yang-model/= We hope that authors from all these related drafts and others who are = interested in this can work together though the design team CUSPDT.=20 =20 BTW. CUSPDT can be Conneted all the time. And it's Unique. We need a = Sage like you. Let's start this work with Passion! =20 Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------------- Rong Gu China Mobile Research Institute No.32 Xuanwumen West Street, Xicheng District Beijing, China, 100053 Mobile: +86 13811520541 Phone: +86 10 15801696688 Ext. 36211 Email: gurong@chinamobile.com =20 _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D350E2.2DE06CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Jeff.

We ask for 15 minutes time slot for the CUSP design team introduction = and new drafts especially the requirement of protocols in CP and UP BNG = devices in IETF100 RTGWG. We think it=E2=80=99s a meaningful work and we = want to share ideas with others. It would be helpful for the work = improvement if you can =C2=A0give us the time.

 

B.R.

Gu Rong

From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com] =
Time: 2017=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5 11:33
To: = =E9=A1=BE =E6=88=8E
CC: = rtgwg@ietf.org; nfvrg@irtf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org; = victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com; hushujun@chinamobile.com; = hlisname@yahoo.com; ao.ting@zte.com.cn; = gurong@chinamobile.com
Topic: Re: Give the introduction of = CUSP design team and Solicit comments for all the related drafts of = CU-seperated BNG

 

Hi = Rong,

 

Are you planning to = provide an update at IETF100? 

Regards,

Jeff


On Oct 28, 2017, at 17:42, gurong <gurong_cmcc@outlook.com> = wrote:

Hi, dear = all.

Recently we have = submitted several drafts on CU-separated BNG device. As = CU-separated BNG is a bandnew architecture with a control plane = (BNG-CP) and user plane (BNG-UP) separation. As this is new, information = model and related protocols are under research for a long time in = several small groups. Based on these research points, we have formed a = small design team named CUSPDT(CU-separated-protocol design team) aiming = at resolving protocol based problems on CU-separated BNG. Anyway, it's = not an offical design team. And it's very shy to appear to you for = the first time :)

The only team = rules is that: Everyone is welcome to join our design team sharing = opinions and suggestions. 

 <= /span>

Below, I list all = the related drafts while there are two new drafts contributed by the = design team. One is the requirement of CU-separated-protocols and = another is the deployment model of CU-separated BNG in the real = network.

 <= /span>

Requirements of = the protocols between CP and UP.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cusp= -requirements/

CU-separated BNG = device deployment model

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cu-s= eparation-bng-deployment/

 <= /span>

Recently, there = are other related drafts submitted before the design team = constructed.

 <= /span>

Architecture = of CU-separated BNG device referring to BBF cloud = co

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gu-nfvrg-cloud-bn= g-architecture/

The information = model standardized in BNG information model = draft

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wcg-i2rs-cu-separ= ation-infor-model/Due to our research and trial, we have found out = that there are several information

VXLAN-GPE = extension for BNG devices

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huang-nvo3-vxlan-= gpe-extension-for-vbng/

YANG datamodel = for CU and UP interface

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hu-rtgwg-cu-separ= ation-yang-model/

We hope that authors from all these = related drafts and others who are interested in this can work together = though the design team CUSPDT. 

 <= /span>

BTW. CUSPDT can = be Conneted all the time. And it's Unique. We need a Sage like you. = Let's start this work with Passion!

 <= /span>

Best = regards.

-= ----------------------------------------------------------

R= ong Gu
China Mobile Research Institute
No.32 Xuanwumen West = Street, Xicheng District
Beijing, China, 100053
Mobile: +86 = 13811520541
Phone: +86 10 15801696688 Ext. 36211
Email: = gurong@chinamobile.com=

_______________________________________________
rtgwg = mailing list
rtgwg@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/rtgwg

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> The preliminary agenda for IETF 100 has been published; you can find it a= t > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda.html > > RTGWG will be meeting: 09:30- 12:00 on Monday, November 13 in Canning and > 13:30-15:30 on Thursday, November 16 in Canning room. > If you'd like a slot to present a draft, please send a request to Chris > and I by Monday, October 30. > Please note the dates below, in particular, the deadline for draft > submission is UTC 23:59 October 30. > We kindly request to provide your presentations by Monday, November 6. > > As always =E2=80=93 we would appreciate your help in taking notes and jab= ber, > please do volunteer! > > Looking forward to seeing you all in Singapore! > > Cheers, > Jeff and Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > --94eb2c1cd2f2ccf9b8055cb4b8c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Chris and Jeff,
would appreciate your considerati= on of my request to present update to BFD for Multi-point Networks in VRRP = Use Case:

draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Presenter: Greg Mirsky=C2=A0 Time: 10 min

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear RTGWG,

It's that time again!
The preliminary agenda for IETF 100 has been published; you can find it at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/ag= enda.html

RTGWG will be meeting: 09:30- 12:00 on Monday, November 13 in Canning and 1= 3:30-15:30 on Thursday, November 16 in Canning room.
If you'd like a slot to present a draft, please send a request to Chris= and I by Monday, October 30.
Please note the dates below, in particular, the deadline for draft submissi= on is UTC 23:59 October 30.
We kindly request to provide your presentations by Monday, November 6.

As always =E2=80=93 we would appreciate your help in taking notes and jabbe= r, please do volunteer!

Looking forward to seeing you all in Singapore!

Cheers,
Jeff and Chris



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[47.36.65.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w139sm1109719itb.5.2017.10.29.14.22.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:22:35 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.27.0.171010 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:22:33 -0700 Subject: Re: RTGWG presentation slot requests in Singapore From: Jeff Tantsura To: Greg Mirsky CC: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , rtgwg-chairs Message-ID: Thread-Topic: RTGWG presentation slot requests in Singapore References: <8AEF30B9-235B-4BAB-8E71-83DFDD5A9610@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3592131755_1254566970" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:22:38 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3592131755_1254566970 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg, =20 Thanks, noted. =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 From: Greg Mirsky Date: Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 12:42 To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: RTGWG , rtgwg-chairs Subject: Re: RTGWG presentation slot requests in Singapore =20 Dear Chris and Jeff, would appreciate your consideration of my request to present update to BFD = for Multi-point Networks in VRRP Use Case: =20 draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case Presenter: Greg Mirsky Time: 10 min =20 Regards, Greg =20 On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Jeff Tantsura w= rote: Dear RTGWG, It's that time again! The preliminary agenda for IETF 100 has been published; you can find it at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda.html RTGWG will be meeting: 09:30- 12:00 on Monday, November 13 in Canning and 1= 3:30-15:30 on Thursday, November 16 in Canning room. If you'd like a slot to present a draft, please send a request to Chris and= I by Monday, October 30. Please note the dates below, in particular, the deadline for draft submissi= on is UTC 23:59 October 30. We kindly request to provide your presentations by Monday, November 6. As always =E2=80=93 we would appreciate your help in taking notes and jabber, ple= ase do volunteer! Looking forward to seeing you all in Singapore! Cheers, Jeff and Chris _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg =20 --B_3592131755_1254566970 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Gr= eg,

<= o:p> 

Thanks, noted.

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gma= il.com>
Date: Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 12:42
To: J= eff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: RTGWG <rtgwg@i= etf.org>, rtgwg-chairs <rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org>
Subject:= Re: RTGWG presentation slot requests in Singapore

=

 

=

Dear Chris and Jeff,<= o:p>

would appreci= ate your consideration of my request to present update to BFD for Multi-poin= t Networks in VRRP Use Case:

 

draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case   Presen= ter: Greg Mirsky  Time: 10 min

 

Regards,

Greg

 

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Jeff Tantsura= <jefftant.ietf@= gmail.com> wrote:

Dear RTGWG,

I= t's that time again!
The preliminary agenda for IETF 100 has been publish= ed; you can find it at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda.ht= ml

RTGWG will be meeting: 09:30- 12:00 on Monday, November 13 in = Canning and 13:30-15:30 on Thursday, November 16 in Canning room.
If you'= d like a slot to present a draft, please send a request to Chris and I by Mo= nday, October 30.
Please note the dates below, in particular, the deadlin= e for draft submission is UTC 23:59 October 30.
We kindly request to prov= ide your presentations by Monday, November 6.

As always =E2=80=93 we would = appreciate your help in taking notes and jabber, please do volunteer!

Looking forward to seeing= you all in Singapore!

Cheers,
Jeff and Ch= ris



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--B_3592131755_1254566970-- From nobody Sun Oct 29 21:52:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D62413F61A; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:52:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-02.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150933912434.3461.16110987497863899841@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:52:04 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 04:52:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Enterprise Multihoming using Provider-Assigned Addresses without Network Prefix Translation: Requirements and Solution Authors : Fred Baker Chris Bowers Jen Linkova Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-02.txt Pages : 47 Date : 2017-10-29 Abstract: Connecting an enterprise site to multiple ISPs using provider- assigned addresses is difficult without the use of some form of Network Address Translation (NAT). Much has been written on this topic over the last 10 to 15 years, but it still remains a problem without a clearly defined or widely implemented solution. Any multihoming solution without NAT requires hosts at the site to have addresses from each ISP and to select the egress ISP by selecting a source address for outgoing packets. It also requires routers at the site to take into account those source addresses when forwarding packets out towards the ISPs. This document attempts to define a complete solution to this problem. It covers the behavior of routers to forward traffic taking into account source address, and it covers the behavior of host to select appropriate source addresses. It also covers any possible role that routers might play in providing information to hosts to help them select appropriate source addresses. In the process of exploring potential solutions, this documents also makes explicit requirements for how the solution would be expected to behave from the perspective of an enterprise site network administrator . The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Oct 29 22:01:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE9B13FBB2 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:01:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id beuAgBINGvtx for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9DBD13F647 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id w21so13458692lfc.6 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:01:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g1y9juUg47ivJZ2wrvH+Rba0zURqPag5sVTDd9DOHog=; b=mWZ3KDXHWsbC1MGmg8zklSNCmTaI3q2uAR97ZSSnwJqNWaJnMWPf4iSx40zA3YjUCs iwbyFjIKGWOpbj5MATn8ymuGVpxcST4PCSaliNfHAszvHWWLnxOEaC5fCGqLfUUcGeaG 7r0qMYFTnyBO3VRtS/zhjloG6REg4Yt7PyLS9M6ODuvyDQpI4SUhmoip56c8udCa84ea NpcOw+lM4Vi2sLiK8Fub4UBWmM6GxmxOFYplxheusPxnDGUTDiLsCmubVYlR6mgfPqDT g+3WBTsuistPYytyGjxrQr+g4Gn/JpDw+DE5B4pvMUQwuJ2oO7F4P0JkIctQd+umaLPp KrJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g1y9juUg47ivJZ2wrvH+Rba0zURqPag5sVTDd9DOHog=; b=GC2E44XAkF3ejMjE5IvvgygqKns+IRoJ8Csf0S33wcqf1hOFLzqO/Z9B/XJSWC/Ns9 O9nDEMdPhydPzfIbrKjroUtBpaIRWDS9qRHLQT8Gn4UgqSoltlmgpJx4m/nu5BvfvisE tsTVrQC10sR4OcgrIX2yOdVDDgNaAKk6WocRbcKbiIi44SGd4MMLtukTdJ9odkXRX4kG F/jFEEypDRH1I+9YY8ubG2b7JdoekqypT835HYOBDyVzFe47e/RD17hxoiPk5e4IhqQb lYaeyu8f1+7olwa7hDvrvI+2FwWImuIVo6he9za/iYH8y+PGri41E8F+zcXdjN3UP5/d 62aA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUgyR8/YeVwgkAM6WUEbrgyswZFPTBh/s5NM+aAyLs7Sh/igKyN Gk94/yV51yHXad9Qmq+npBWUi1AdM/XhecsV40Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+S/vA0a1nXsoQaDyMmnZKzeYCU/vTFyHf8+JRT8MP9f/0g+CO8AcxEp98KiSe8YyIrKHW1+xunyw3TCj51CvGc= X-Received: by 10.46.66.202 with SMTP id h71mr2922443ljf.140.1509339664975; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:01:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.67.79 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:00:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20170719172913.GU773745@eidolon> <20170720074132.GW773745@eidolon> <9BF40E52-63D7-4B04-815A-64F863241010@irif.fr> From: Jen Linkova Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:00:44 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing To: Chris Bowers Cc: Matthieu Boutier , Anton Smirnov , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , Jen Linkova Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 05:01:09 -0000 On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Chris Bowers wrote: > With the proposed generalization of rule #3, together with a clarificatio= n that the source-prefix-scoped > forwarding table should be chosen based on longest source prefix match wi= th the source address of the packet, > I think we are in agreement that the forwarding behavior described in rtg= wg-enterprise-pa-multihoming > Is identical to that described in rtgwg-dst-src-routing. I've just submitted -02 version of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming= / which addresses this persistent loop issue. (The rule #3 is made more generic and mentions "less specific -> more specific source prefix" entries propagation. The next-hop selection rule is now looks the following way: "The forward tables produced by this process are used in the following way to forward packets. 1) Select the most specific (longest prefix match) source-prefix-scoped forwarding table that matches the source address of the packet (again, the unscoped forwarding table is considered to be scoped to ::/0). 2) Look up the destination address of the packet in the selected forwarding table to determine the next-hop for the packet. " I've also updated the example in the section 3 so the unscoped table is now considered to be scoped to ::/0. Maybe we need to update the examples in include the case of one table being scoped to /48 and another one to be scoped to /32... > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthieu Boutier [mailto:boutier@irif.fr] > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:41 AM > To: Chris Bowers > Cc: David Lamparter ; rtgwg@ietf.org; Anton Smirnov <= as@cisco.com>; Jen Linkova > Subject: Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming= and rtgwg-dst-src-routing > > Hi, > >> Does this generalization of rule #3 resolve the discrepancy ? > > It's not enough, because if you have overlapping source prefix, you'll ne= ed to change the following. > > 1. If the source address of the packet matches one of the source > prefixes, then look up the destination address of the packet in > the corresponding source-prefix-scoped forwarding table to > determine the next-hop for the packet. > > 2. If the source address of the packet does NOT match one of the > source prefixes, then look up the destination address of the > packet in unscoped forwarding table to determine the next-hop for > the packet. > > Basically, you'll have to replace these two points by only one saying: > "order your entries by prefix specificity (longest match first)". > > And=E2=80=A6 I have the feeling that the routing part is overcomplicated.= It should be as simple as: "put a SADR routing protocol on your network". > And you're done. > > The draft discusses a lot about how to progressively deploy SADR in the n= etwork. This should be put in a "progressive deployment" section, which wo= uld essentially say: > > - have a connected SADR backbone including the edge routers, > > - announce a default route from the backbone to attract packets. > > It's the role of the routing protocol to be backward compatible with the = legacy (non-SADR) version. > > Also, about routing tables, section 3 clearly shows that if a packet matc= hes two routes, it should follow the one with the most specific destination= . All the section 3 is about what to do if we don't have native destinatio= n-first SADR tables but only policy routing. I believe it's the role of th= e routing protocol's implementation to deal with that (that's what we do si= nce 2013). Then section 3 could probably just be a reference to David's dr= aft, since it only concerns SADR/dst-src/source-specific/etc. routing proto= col implementations. > > Matthieu > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg --=20 SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry From nobody Mon Oct 30 10:36:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C9613FE91; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:36:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-03.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150938496731.7793.17027466520205643812@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:36:07 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:36:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : LFA selection for Multi-Homed Prefixes Authors : Pushpasis Sarkar Shraddha Hegde Chris Bowers Uma Chunduri Jeff Tantsura Bruno Decraene Hannes Gredler Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: This document shares experience gained from implementing algorithms to determine Loop-Free Alternates for multi-homed prefixes. In particular, this document provides explicit inequalities that can be used to evaluate neighbors as a potential alternates for multi-homed prefixes. It also provides detailed criteria for evaluating potential alternates for external prefixes advertised by OSPF ASBRs. This documents updates and expands some of the "Routing Aspects" as specified in Section 6 of [RFC5286]. 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Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-06.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150939366833.7831.6538202571946834662@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:01:08 -0700 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:01:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Destination/Source Routing Authors : David Lamparter Anton Smirnov Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-06.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: This note specifies using packets' source addresses in route lookups as additional qualifier to be used in hop-by-hop routing decisions. This applies to IPv6 [RFC2460] in general with specific considerations for routing protocol left for separate documents. There is nothing precluding similar operation in IPv4, but this is not in scope of this document. Note that destination/source routing, source/destination routing, SADR, source-specific routing, source-sensitive routing, S/D routing and D/S routing are all used synonymously. 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([2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s6sm18012917pgq.57.2017.10.30.15.25.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-06.txt To: draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org References: <150939366833.7831.6538202571946834662@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <3f046755-d2ee-7b74-33df-890b9effaec2@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:25:53 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150939366833.7831.6538202571946834662@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:25:58 -0000 Hi, > Both IPv4 [RFC0791] and IPv6 [RFC2460] architectures specify that > determination of the outgoing next-hop for packet forwarding is based > solely on the destination address contained in the packet header. 1) RFC8200 obsoleted RFC2460 recently. 2) I can't find any statement in RFC8200 to justify "solely". In fact, as far as I can see the document says nothing about the destination address except that it's "the address of the intended recipient". https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6rtr-reqs-00#section-2.4 is quite explicit that source-address-based routing is allowed. I'm not sure that RFC791 justifies the "solely" either. There's only one very oblique statement, hidden in the discussion of loose source routes ("the routing is to be based on the destination address field"). If there's any such restriction for IPv4, it must be hidden in RFC1812. I couldn't find it, though. It's fair to say that in practice, we have based forwarding solely on the destination address. But I don't believe it's specified. (Apart from that, I'm all for the draft, fwiw.) 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[107.1.141.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t63sm98225pgc.19.2017.10.30.16.39.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:39:07 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.27.0.171010 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:39:06 -0700 Subject: DC Routing requirements draft From: Jeff Tantsura To: Dcrouting CC: RTGWG Message-ID: <5C6D0957-6C0B-453C-8547-6ED9347D3D8E@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: DC Routing requirements draft Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:39:10 -0000 All, We have just published DC Routing requirements draft (draft-dt-rtgwg-dcrouting-requirements) that is going to be presented at the upcoming BoF in Singapore. Please note that EDCO group (draft-elkins-routing-brickmortar-topology) input was not included and will have a separate track. Your comments and suggestions are very welcome. draft co-authors