From nobody Fri Dec 1 10:03:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C311277BB for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:02:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ExfqUyIxpVgS for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A1521275C5 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:02:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7430; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1512151377; x=1513360977; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to; bh=VX2j2NgjMWIMPzrGAbkHuco2/dLk24pJq9eInHWwHfU=; b=f/tINcQrGaa6LbpJlDfWPWUm1hi0bIn35+eXShc6cBpRFJqraDd5nZB2 WTWU2giOloDIqm/7sRWi3oM0pErYK4Uu6Yk2Fsfw2T8vLuLzlg+wmk1aP y1ePpxv8ZR1FdvjHq63ayKjioDoPTUU8tUfigMS5AekPcNOigMCPJJcQ8 E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.45,346,1508803200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="38511868" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 01 Dec 2017 18:02:57 +0000 Received: from [10.82.177.212] ([10.82.177.212]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vB1I2t5P016565; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 18:02:55 GMT Message-ID: <5A21994F.6070505@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:02:55 -0800 From: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sasha@axerra.com" , Stewart Bryant , Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal CC: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: Protecting SR policy midpoints (draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa) References: <210606893.1211556.1511362363266@mail.yahoo.com> <5A1D50E5.7030302@cisco.com> <8948158b-6fbe-4458-476a-ea1f8f34ee6c@gmail.com> <5A1D967F.4020905@cisco.com> <1801950905.4960953.1511889350900@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1801950905.4960953.1511889350900@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030707050303050409070900" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:02:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030707050303050409070900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not necessarily. However even if the intention of marking the adj-SID as protected is to protect against the failure of the link but not the far end of the link, then it is the responsibility of operator who instantiated the policy creator to know what is the type of protection that he/she configured on the link. Ahmed On 11/28/2017 9:15 AM, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: > Ahmed, > I believe that the so-called protected Adj-SID simply means that if > the link that it represents fails, it can be replaced with the > Node-SID of the node at the remote end if the adjacency. > It does not help at all if the downstream node fails. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:02, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy) > wrote: > Stewart, > > I am sure you are aware that ISIS and OSPF adj-SID advertisements > indicate whether an adj-SID is protected or not. If the ingress > router > decided to use a protected adj-SID for a policy, then the > protection of > such adj-SID is within the policy. > > Ahmed > > On 11/28/2017 7:15 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > > > > > On 28/11/2017 12:04, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy) wrote: > >> > >> - The top label of incoming packet to node "S" is either a > prefix SID > >> owned by node "F" or an adjacency SID for (S,F) > > > > If it is an adjacency SID for (S,F) then you are violating the > > original intent of the ingress PE which was to send the packet > along > > the path S->F. I really don't think you can blindly repair such a > > packet since to do so violates the policy applied to the packet. > You > > have to do a policy check, and you have to make sure that the > packet > > is not subject to ECMP along the repair path since ECMP avoidance > > might have been the intent of using the SR Adjacency in the > first place. > > > > - Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > --------------030707050303050409070900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not necessarily. However even if the intention of marking the adj-SID as protected is to protect against the failure of the link but not the far end of the link, then it is the responsibility of operator who instantiated the policy creator to know what is the type of protection that he/she configured on the link.


Ahmed

On 11/28/2017 9:15 AM, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:
Ahmed,
I believe that the so-called protected Adj-SID simply means that if the link that it represents fails, it can be replaced with the Node-SID of the node at the remote end if the adjacency. 
It does not help at all if the downstream node fails.


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:02, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)
Stewart,

I am sure you are aware that ISIS and OSPF adj-SID advertisements
indicate whether an adj-SID is protected or not. If the ingress router
decided to use a protected adj-SID for a policy, then the protection of
such adj-SID is within the policy.

Ahmed

On 11/28/2017 7:15 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote:
>
>
> On 28/11/2017 12:04, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy) wrote:
>>
>> - The top label of incoming packet to node "S" is either a prefix SID
>> owned by node "F" or an adjacency SID for (S,F)
>
> If it is an adjacency SID for (S,F) then you are violating the
> original intent of the ingress PE which was to send the packet along
> the path S->F. I really don't think you can blindly repair such a
> packet since to do so violates the policy applied to the packet. You
> have to do a policy check, and you have to make sure that the packet
> is not subject to ECMP along the repair path since ECMP avoidance
> might have been the intent of using the SR Adjacency in the first place.
>
> - Stewart

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--------------030707050303050409070900-- From nobody Fri Dec 1 11:49:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB917124D85; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:49:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa-04.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151215778078.2767.10484055249395275469@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 11:49:40 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:49:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: jabil.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 5acebfc8-95ff-4b2e-53fc-08d539058432 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Dec 2017 21:50:19.5803 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bc876b21-f134-4c12-a265-8ed26b7f0f3b X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR0201MB0873 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 21:50:25 -0000 Hi Reshad, Can you please double-check the revision 06 of the document? draft-ietf-rtg= wg-yang-rip-04 used bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms, and was taken out by draft= -ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-05. Please let us know if this is not the case, or we = need to do something differently. Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) [mailto:rrahman@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49 AM > To: ietf@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org; > rtg-bfd@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Last Call: (A YANG Data M= odel > for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard >=20 > Hi, >=20 > The RIP YANG model uses bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms from BFD YANG. That > grouping does not exist in latest revision (it has been renamed). Also, a= s per > discussions we had with OSPF/ISIS YANG authors, the grouping which should= be > used from BFD is client-cfg-parms. >=20 > Regards, > Reshad. > ________________________________________ > From: rtgwg on behalf of The IESG secretary@ietf.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:29 AM > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org > Subject: Last Call: (A YANG Data Model= for > Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard >=20 > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for Rout= ing > Information Protocol (RIP)' > as Proposed Standard >=20 > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits fin= al > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-12-12. Exceptionally, comments may be= sent > to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of = the > Subject line to allow automated sorting. >=20 > Abstract >=20 >=20 > This document describes a data model for the Routing Information > Protocol (RIP). Both RIP version 2 and RIPng are covered. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ >=20 > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ballot/ >=20 >=20 > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. >=20 >=20 > The document contains these normative downward references. > See RFC 3967 for additional information: > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7223bis: A YANG Data Model for Interface > Management (None - IETF stream) > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores: Network Management Datastore > Architecture (None - IETF stream) > draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis: A YANG Data Model for Routing Managemen= t > (NDMA Version) (None - ) > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7277bis: A YANG Data Model for IP Managemen= t > (None - IETF stream) > draft-ietf-ospf-yang: Yang Data Model for OSPF Protocol (None - IETF = stream) >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Fri Dec 1 14:05:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B3E1293D8; 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01 Dec 2017 22:05:27 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (xch-aln-002.cisco.com [173.36.7.12]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vB1M5RW9028741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2017 22:05:27 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-005.cisco.com (173.37.102.15) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 16:05:26 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-005.cisco.com ([173.37.102.15]) by XCH-RCD-005.cisco.com ([173.37.102.15]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 16:05:26 -0600 From: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" To: Xufeng Liu , "ietf@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" , "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" Subject: Re: Last Call: (A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard Thread-Topic: Last Call: (A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard Thread-Index: AQHTaGZS/FASCGkfL0avLhCKeTP3ZKMrkk9FgAPePID//50Grg== Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 22:05:26 +0000 Message-ID: <1512165964785.84477@cisco.com> References: <151188659372.12435.1451903543359435950.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <1511974182521.58987@cisco.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.191] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 22:05:30 -0000 Hi Xufeng,=0A= =0A= You are correct, I looked at the wrong version.=0A= =0A= If explicit-neighbors feature is not supported, would you want to have the = BFD client parameters (client-cfg-parms) configured in RIP? Otherwise opera= tor needs to look at neighbors discovered and configure parameters under BF= D for that neighbor. And when a new neighbor shows up, the same thing has t= o be done again.=0A= =0A= Please see email discussion with OSPF/ISIS YANG authors.=0A= https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-bfd/KNipAESw8fGKuUKrCxFlhdkRA0Y= =0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= Reshad.=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Xufeng Liu =0A= Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 4:50 PM=0A= To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman); ietf@ietf.org=0A= Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.o= rg; rtg-bfd@ietf.org=0A= Subject: RE: Last Call: (A YANG Data Mod= el for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard=0A= =0A= Hi Reshad,=0A= =0A= Can you please double-check the revision 06 of the document? draft-ietf-rtg= wg-yang-rip-04 used bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms, and was taken out by draft= -ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-05. Please let us know if this is not the case, or we = need to do something differently.=0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= - Xufeng=0A= =0A= > -----Original Message-----=0A= > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) [mailto:rrahman@cisco.com]=0A= > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49 AM=0A= > To: ietf@ietf.org=0A= > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org;=0A= > rtg-bfd@ietf.org=0A= > Subject: Re: Last Call: (A YANG Data M= odel=0A= > for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard=0A= >=0A= > Hi,=0A= >=0A= > The RIP YANG model uses bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms from BFD YANG. That= =0A= > grouping does not exist in latest revision (it has been renamed). Also, a= s per=0A= > discussions we had with OSPF/ISIS YANG authors, the grouping which should= be=0A= > used from BFD is client-cfg-parms.=0A= >=0A= > Regards,=0A= > Reshad.=0A= > ________________________________________=0A= > From: rtgwg on behalf of The IESG secretary@ietf.org>=0A= > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:29 AM=0A= > To: IETF-Announce=0A= > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org=0A= > Subject: Last Call: (A YANG Data Model= for=0A= > Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard=0A= >=0A= > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG=0A= > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for Rout= ing=0A= > Information Protocol (RIP)'=0A= > as Proposed Standard=0A= >=0A= > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits fin= al=0A= > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the=0A= > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-12-12. Exceptionally, comments may be= sent=0A= > to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of = the=0A= > Subject line to allow automated sorting.=0A= >=0A= > Abstract=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > This document describes a data model for the Routing Information=0A= > Protocol (RIP). Both RIP version 2 and RIPng are covered.=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > The file can be obtained via=0A= > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/=0A= >=0A= > IESG discussion can be tracked via=0A= > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ballot/=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > The document contains these normative downward references.=0A= > See RFC 3967 for additional information:=0A= > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7223bis: A YANG Data Model for Interface=0A= > Management (None - IETF stream)=0A= > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores: Network Management Datastore=0A= > Architecture (None - IETF stream)=0A= > draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis: A YANG Data Model for Routing Managemen= t=0A= > (NDMA Version) (None - )=0A= > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7277bis: A YANG Data Model for IP Managemen= t=0A= > (None - IETF stream)=0A= > draft-ietf-ospf-yang: Yang Data Model for OSPF Protocol (None - IETF = stream)=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > rtgwg mailing list=0A= > rtgwg@ietf.org=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg=0A= From nobody Fri Dec 1 23:28:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBA5124207; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 23:28:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EkoAufsvJ3Vf; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 23:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9831D120713; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 23:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id f140so6682790wmd.2; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 23:28:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=LA4eq62foPOKevQbvZfVxSceXaTC3MkVxZQOY+94L1A=; b=DI1kgGw/usPMi+D/T+uyK4UQxVFAcrblzlhF+VR3ZgLiAak0aBUuMSX65SzMcRBT99 jubsAxFW/xZDbfl4NfLdV7FxoZuqMYH1YXLLSmUiMxgFoq/4gGu6Uj9a4tqQRhyraJSp bKEOPZEkHtqfzdCwmgGy5vjZbdoTorW5EesvJ1App/HHe90ffLnfGlLIjtHz716rFDjg x+NFVySKdiPZAnmWIOXpyUi0u3afjxRrDkWZ1qZhLnl1AuyZ3A6iB6j/FogIH6ArOdHJ OuE3bOHqT6unyLkb9FM1X6klAFoe6/3TcEg/XSkHCzgb+maXoD7xVqQhIycb84F0bCxO qQRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=LA4eq62foPOKevQbvZfVxSceXaTC3MkVxZQOY+94L1A=; b=iYFj5kDKLYwh8375ssjK0qJ/0Pq4TWm2g4nWU8x6OrlrAH4HaymzXmgnKgwKSQoZ7o MKFZnVQbuU038OTpY0ZwlSkBlU4YHCYZbfKkpEqe4y+bqGApWLt1/ojWL1FAfE4no6M6 PgIoM6QSk73X4C0P0sUh164EiqlPd7QgaqbCtnUpGck/n+8M3/fBfTfVY2mHIzX3JRGL YVAi/qhLSou9DmNx+lmHGbwSekvcTXpSmjZ+hxeRXHzTySHfvHt3qwscAg/yFi2q1KT8 e4QBfDa+ZjfHFlWdTfS8iOvFS/zst8XLcBQdSNB1vKbGz+bL8K8JI35+sXpIKd8wlcgu /87A== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLuErjHfrocpycq8QTp4OpxXHpLBv+BGOGp8OOQLNig/mw1xauO BRsZjhX7TbDhG3f7sNfb+4c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMb6KPjsAhlSUMs5DoDgbSoh0+tq/JLqsRD0Pcp1ChlwK6k5sWuLPnmIuuIliNmWBkFnTgAeSg== X-Received: by 10.28.134.130 with SMTP id i124mr2039605wmd.10.1512199696044; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 23:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.126] (host213-123-124-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com. 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Since both Jeff and Chris are > author/contributor of this draft, I’ll be running the LC. > > There was consensus that document is ready for the last call and the > authors have resolved all the comments from shepherd review. > > Please indicate support or no-support by December 18, 2017. > > IPR: > > An IPR call has been done in October, all co-authors have responded > except Shraddha Hegde (please let me know if I overlooked your response). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor and haven’t > responded to the IPR call, please respond to this > > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to > the document. > > Thanks, > > Yingzhen > > > _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg --------------7F2182822643D09DAFFAE919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


I have reviewed this draft and support its publication as an RFC.

- Stewart

On 01/12/2017 21:31, Yingzhen Qu wrote:

Dear RTGWG,

    

The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa. Since both Jeff and Chris are author/contributor of this draft, I’ll be running the LC.

    

There was consensus that document is ready for the last call and the authors have resolved all the comments from shepherd review. 

Please indicate support or no-support by December 18, 2017.

 

IPR:

An IPR call has been done in October, all co-authors have responded except Shraddha Hegde (please let me know if I overlooked your response).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor and haven’t responded to the IPR call, please respond to this

email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list.

The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been

received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document.

 

Thanks,

Yingzhen

 


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Support as co-author.
On Dec 2, 2017 03:01, "Yingzhen Qu" &= lt;yingzhen.qu@huawei.com>= wrote:

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The authors have re= quested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa.= Since both Jeff and Chris are author/contributor of this draft, I=E2=80=99= ll be running the LC.

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There was consensus= that document is ready for the last call and the authors have resolved all= the comments from shepherd review.=C2=A0

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IPR:<= /span>

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email of whether or= not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

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The document will n= ot advance to the next stage until a response has been=

received from each = author and each individual that has contributed to the document.<= /u>

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Thanks,

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See inline.. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy) < bashandy@cisco.com> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback > > See inline > > Ahmed > > On 11/28/2017 8:54 AM, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy) < > bashandy@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The behavior described in section 5.3 is clear: >> - The top label of incoming packet to node "S" is either a prefix SID >> owned by node "F" or an adjacency SID for (S,F) >> - If the link from node "S" to node "F" is up, then the normal behavior >> for node "S" is to apply penultimate hop popping (PHP). HEnce node "S" >> *pops* the top label and sends the packet to node "F" >> - But if the link (S,F) is down and "S" is configured to do node >> protection, then node "S" will still pop the top label. This will promot= e >> the label right underneath the incoming label to become the *top* label. >> Hence there is no need to peek into the label stack >> > > =E2=80=8B What if the new top label is a BSID assigned from the SRLB of n= ode F or > a BGP-LU or a VPN label assigned by node F?=E2=80=8B > > #Ahmed: I just replied to Robert. Let me put it here > The node "S" knows the SRGB and the adj-SIDs of the neighboring node "F"= . > Hence if the new top label is not within these two sets, then the node "S= " > will always be able to know that the node that failed is NOT a midpoint. > =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BDefine what "policy midpoint" is. Also, =E2=80=8Bthe case where the new ToS is a BSID =E2=80=8Bassigned from the SRLB of node F needs consideration.. > > I will add a statement in the document to explain how a node can determin= e > that a failure is a midpoint failure. I will also add a statement to > indicate that if the node determines that the failure is not a midpoint > failure then it may apply other protection techniques that are beyond the > scope of this document or simply drop the packet and wait for normal > protocol conversion. > > > >> - In a link-state envirnoment, node "S" knows the SRGB of node "F" as >> well as all adjacency SIDs of node "F". Hence it can now compare the new >> top label against the SRGB or the list of adj-SIDs of the node "F" >> > > =E2=80=8B What does "it" stand for in "it can now compare"? > > "Ahmed: "It" refers to the node "S" > > > =E2=80=8B For the control plane to be able to compare it also needs to be= imposing > the SR policy as I said earlier. > > #Ahmed: There is no control plane comparison. > > > Or is the MPLS data plane expected to do such a comparison on the fly? > > #Ahmed: data plane is expected to do such comparison. > =E2=80=8BThis is not clear from the current draft. Would suggest stating it explicitly.. Muthu > It is not that difficult. Just make sure you have a good forwarding ASIC = :) > > > >> - If the new top label is within the SRGB of node "F" or an adj-SID of >> node "F", then node "S" applies the behavior described in section 5.3.1 = or >> section 5.3.2, respectively >> >> The bottom line is that there is no need for any peeking into the label >> stack. Just inspect the new top label >> > > =E2=80=8B How is the MPLS data plane in a transit node expected to be pro= grammed > to make this work? > > #Ahmed: Implementation details that should become big problems for good > forwarding ASICs :) > > > Regards, > Muthu =E2=80=8B > > > >> Thanks >> >> Ahmed >> >> >> On 11/23/2017 5:04 AM, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote: >> >> My understanding is that draft wants to provide a solution for the >> problem where the active segment is a prefix/adjacency segment of the >> neighbor and the neighbor fails. A solution to this is possible only at = a >> node that is enforcing the SR policy (consisting of the segment list). F= or >> a transit node, its data plane would have to peek into the label stack a= nd >> determine the type of the segment/label following the active segment and >> act accordingly, which is not inline with the SR architecture which >> requires SR to work 'as is' on traditional MPLS data plane >> >> =E2=80=8B Muthu=E2=80=8B >> >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Alexander Vainshtein < >> vinesasha@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Muthu and all, >>> I do not see how the draft in quesrion us related to "SR Policy". >>> >>> From my POV its scope is a SR LSP comprised of multiple Node SIDs withi= n >>> a single IGP domain, and it provides local fast protection against fail= ure >>> of a node that terminates one of the segments comprising this LSP. >>> Pritection action is performed by the penultimate node. >>> >>> My 2c. >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:27, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal >>> wrote: >>> Section 5.3 of draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa describes >>> protecting SR policy midpoints against node failure for the case where = the >>> active segment is the prefix or adjacency segment of a neighbor. >>> >>> I believe the steps described in the procedure is applicable only for a >>> node steering packets into the SR policy. This could be an ingress PE >>> steering IP packets into a SR-TE tunnel or an intermediate node steerin= g >>> labeled packets received with a BSID into a SR-TE tunnel identified by = that >>> BSID. >>> >>> A transit node that has no idea about the SR policy itself is not >>> expected to perform the procedure described in that section. >>> >>> Is my understanding correct? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Muthu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rtgwg mailing list >>> rtgwg@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtgwg mailing listrtgwg@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rt= gwg >> >> >> > > --001a113ec53ce4d3fb055f7bdc1e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for your response. See inline..

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Ahmed Basha= ndy (bashandy) <bashandy@ci= sco.com> wrote:<= /span>
=20 =20 =20
Thanks for the feedback

See inline

Ahmed

On 11/28/2017 8:54 = AM, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote:
=20
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy) <bashandy@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi,

The behavior described in section 5.3 is clear:
- The top label of incoming packet to node "S" is= either a prefix SID owned by node "F" or an adjacency SI= D for (S,F)
- If the link from node "S" to node "F"= is up, then the normal behavior for node "S" is to apply penultim= ate hop popping (PHP). HEnce node "S"=C2=A0 *pops* the to= p label and sends the packet to node "F"
- But if the link (S,F) is down and "S" is config= ured to do node protection, then node "S" will still pop = the top label. This will promote the label right underneath the incoming label to become the *top* label. Hence there is no need to peek into the label stack

=E2=80=8B What if the new top label is a BSID assigned from the SRLB of node F or a BGP-LU or a VPN label assigned by node F?=E2=80=8B
 #Ahmed: I just replied to Robert. Let me put it here
The node "S" knows the SRGB and the adj-SIDs of the=C2=A0 nei= ghboring node "F". Hence if the new top label is not within these two = sets, then the node "S" will always be able to know that the node t= hat failed is NOT a midpoint.

=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8BDefine=C2=A0
what "policy midpoint" is. Also, =E2=80=8Bthe
case where the new ToS i= s a BSID=C2=A0
=E2=80=8Bassigned from the = SRLB of node F needs consideration..
=C2=A0

I will add a statement in the document to explain how a node can determine that a failure is a midpoint failure. I will also add a statement to indicate that if the node determines that the failure is not a midpoint failure then it may apply other protection techniques that are beyond the scope of this document or simply drop the packet and wait for normal protocol conversion.

=C2=A0
- In a link-state envirnoment, node "S" knows the SRGB of node &quo= t;F" as well as all adjacency SIDs of node "F". Hence it can n= ow compare the new top label against the SRGB or the list of adj-SIDs of the node "F"

=E2=80=8B What does "it" stand for in "it can now comp= are"?=C2=A0
"Ahmed: "It" refers to the node "S"

=E2=80=8B For the control plane to be able to compare it also needs to be imposing the SR policy as I said earlier.
#Ahmed: There is no control plane comparison.

Or is the MPLS data plane expected to do such a comparison on the fly?
 #Ahmed: data plane is expected to do such comparison.

=E2=80=8BThis is not clear from th= e current draft. Would suggest stating it explicitly..

Muthu
=C2=A0
It is = not that difficult. Just make sure you have a good forwarding ASIC :)
=C2=A0
- If the new top label is within the SRGB of node "F" or an adj-SI= D of node "F", then node "S" applies the beh= avior described in section 5.3.1 or section 5.3.2, respectively

The bottom line is that there is no need for any peeking into the label stack. Just inspect the new top label

=E2=80=8B How is the MPLS data plane in a transit node expected to be programmed to make this work?
 #Ahmed: Implementation details that should become big problems for good forwarding ASICs :)


Regards,
Muthu =E2=80=8B

=C2=A0
Thanks

Ahmed


On 11/23/2017 5:04 AM, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote:
= My understanding is that draft wants to provide a solution for the problem where the active segment is a prefix/adjacency segment of the neighbor and the neighbor fails. A solution to this is possible only at a node that is enforcing the SR policy (consisting of the segment list).=C2=A0For a transit node,= its data plane would have to peek into the label stack and determine the type of the segment/label following the active segment and act accordingly, which is not inline with the SR architecture which requires SR to work 'as is' on traditional MPLS d= ata plane

=E2=80=8B Muthu=E2=80=8B

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Alexander Vainshtein <vinesasha@= yahoo.com> wrote:
Muthu and all,
I do not see how the draft in quesrion us related to "SR Policy".

From my POV its scope is a SR LSP comprised of multiple Node SIDs within a single IGP domain, and it provides local fast protection against failure of a node that terminates one of the segments comprising this LSP. Pritection action is performed by the penultimate node.

My 2c.

S= ent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:27, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal
Sec= tion 5.3 of=C2=A0draft-bashandy-rtgwg-= segment-routing-ti-lfa describes protecting SR policy midpoints against node failure for the case where the active segment is the prefix or adjacency segment of a neighbor.
I b= elieve the steps described in the procedure is applicable only for a node steering packets into the SR policy. This could be an ingress PE steering IP packets into a SR-TE tunnel or an intermediate node steering labeled packets received with a BSID into a SR-TE tunnel identified by that BSID.
A t= ransit node that has no idea about the SR policy itself is not expected to perform the procedure described in that section.
Is = my understanding correct?
Reg= ards,
Mut= hu
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Thanks for the pointer to=C2=A0=E2=80= =8Bdraft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths. Agree it describes l= ocal protection for SR-TE paths better..

=
But, just wondering whether the data plane complexity is= worth compared to provisioning disjoint end-to-end SR-TE backup path toget= her with S-BFD..

Regar= ds,
Muthu=C2=A0
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Muthu,
Please take a look at
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
draft-hegde-spring-node-<= wbr>protection-for-sr-te-paths that provides accurate descriprion of the re= quured DP behavior in the standard terms (context-specifuc label spaces and= context-identifying labels).

My 2c.
=
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--001a113eba3c1292f1055f7c10dc-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 08:16:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FA0127275 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 08:16:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, REPTO_QUOTE_YAHOO=0.646, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LV1nX791Wno7 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 08:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonic314-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic314-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.132.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47F21127011 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 08:16:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1512404166; bh=+ZhZsrSKyN3KoiSEGtWrkTT6Tgq8BTESION2Ng7TcXQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=nY/2Bd7/AYjZHq8Oa+5W4Ib7XwU8vxh5fgMhQHy+IO+ZwRYdB5FkmtjbAlxn9qBYczFvyAo37zBRiR/C0+5G4gDi6/XEheC0OCqfZFv4S9RkE+RpN0gtQdbgce+OM6SFodR8gwQS5zihjaL8XY2RmovohOdoCaR8JsxN/7ptaFsAatO+8ZY9Qm3OYNQks0hM8zS1iGs5S2bX3bd3LeUnKwTpblO4Qj3wmPt3g4Xz83wzP75Lu4x25KNit4GS8KtgLJPMeTZvNeWfe2hsy3oO5ylZ5bIkUnLlovKK/Zj09MOh2Tz/0Av6K0jMlTEaISafcJrYPPHjE1QSD+q55MW5Ng== X-YMail-OSG: kV6Zt7EVM1kGq3TozYFfYp5FD29o7GDlwK9MUtdvLQmKjVgMNw_DFLkDfF406qD R3_cyYedu0U.iAg0QRYvkU3ysWaXdfwFPamsVtHsBSHCi71cXuz7D7I5UsnhmhbwVMWaop04Q3g2 NTsfdSJIy_SwzjTnR8VZcxAVi8x5l1GzBdqc7zP4jvAMU80Rn4uAzqOpvQgH7.fDRpLDBRrZYibM mgZ8ptqlbeFEWH5x30OYj4869azCRMn2mcYo8FBfMcxswlToKyBF6dZTOenTREBClyBjerT0XGkC 1GHJRJ.82z0Mydhg.UBxwTF42B8cnDqSDIO5V6LqVZr0KmixpkqouQCX7cfDRwSqAgVnCUlAwhjz Qydd_SJVK7komGODHSauWUMCfnUrpXD7EfYTP2eDeUIkGnwW8F.mbKJ2PKH_uYABUP6Iih.XlfR6 AtAbADx9gxmZnfUCp3vs7.kw6wwBybY_9XTO3v1n5m5XvwyEYyHfzOy70YpBF_yNZHA8_unGXj55 VBGWtafR9StqFsFlrgo5.MwXPNOZ0pbzJ Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic314.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:16:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:16:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Alexander Vainshtein Reply-To: "sasha@axerra.com" To: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Message-ID: <810074892.1311964.1512404163253@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <210606893.1211556.1511362363266@mail.yahoo.com> <5A1D50E5.7030302@cisco.com> <524395714.4958786.1511888332678@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Protecting SR policy midpoints (draft-bashandy-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1311963_1362464964.1512404163252" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.11015 YahooMailAndroidMobile YMobile/1.0 (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/5.22.1; Android/6.0.1; MMB29M; j5xnlte; samsung; SM-J510MN; 5.21; 1280x720; ) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 16:16:11 -0000 ------=_Part_1311963_1362464964.1512404163252 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1311961_1804178936.1512404163181" ------=_Part_1311961_1804178936.1512404163181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Muthu,E2E protection of SR-TE LSPs against failure of Node- and Adj-SIDs th= at are part of the policy is definitely a valid and reasonable approach IMH= O. And I also think that it can be combined with local (e.g., LFA-based) pr= otection against failure of lunks and nodes that are NOT part of the policy= and can be triggered by SR-LSP BFD as per RFC 5884. For this approach=C2=A0 to work primary and backup SR-TE LSPs MUST NOT have= any common SIDs. Unfortunately, SPRING WG leaders have strongly opposed my proposal to combi= ne local and E2E protection when SR protection use cases draft has been dis= cussed. Such a combination, indeed, is never used with RSVP-TE LSPs - but, IMHO, SR= -Te LSPs are quite different. My 2c,Sasha Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android=20 =20 On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 22:22, Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal wrote: __________________________________________ _____ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg =20 ------=_Part_1311961_1804178936.1512404163181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Muthu,
E2E protection of SR-TE LSPs aga= inst failure of Node- and Adj-SIDs that are part of the policy is definitel= y a valid and reasonable approach IMHO. And I also think that it can be com= bined with local (e.g., LFA-based) protection against failure of lunks and = nodes that are NOT part of the policy and can be triggered by SR-LSP BFD as= per RFC 5884.
For this appro= ach  to work primary and backup SR-TE LSPs MUST NOT have any common SI= Ds.

Unfortunately, SPRING WG = leaders have strongly opposed my proposal to combine local and E2E protecti= on when SR protection use cases draft has been discussed.

Such a combination, indeed, is never used with= RSVP-TE LSPs - but, IMHO, SR-Te LSPs are quite different.

My 2c,
Sasha
------=_Part_1311961_1804178936.1512404163181-- ------=_Part_1311963_1362464964.1512404163252 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Untitled" Content-ID: <1c26628f-fe8a-4f5c-8b33-5a87ef190906> X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KcnRnd2cgbWFp bGluZyBsaXN0CnJ0Z3dnQGlldGYub3JnCmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlz dGluZm8vcnRnd2cK ------=_Part_1311963_1362464964.1512404163252-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 15:23:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EE4128D69; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:23:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Linda Dunbar To: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-07 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151242978555.13727.1858755965278027482@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 15:23:05 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 23:23:06 -0000 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-07 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review Date: 2017-12-04 IETF LC End Date: 2017-12-12 IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-11 Summary: Major issues: None Minor issues: None Nits/editorial comments: It would be helpful to add description on why you need both Tracking Interface and Tracking network. Both of them have the same description "to detect interface connectivity failures". What kind of "connectivity failures" will be reported over the "Tracking Interface"? what connectivity failures will be reported to "Tracking Network"? Thanks, Linda Dunbar From nobody Mon Dec 4 15:25:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EC8128DE7; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:25:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKtmRGmIX7f9; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82447128D69; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A08273405592F; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 23:25:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.38) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 23:25:28 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.170]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.18]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:25:25 -0800 From: Linda Dunbar To: "gen-art@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-07 Thread-Topic: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-07 Thread-Index: AdNtVyCCb9o0wJvfTN6/MbBp63ORJA== Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 23:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66AFDF7CD@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 23:25:32 -0000 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Ready with Nits/Comments I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review = Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for t= he IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call c= omments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-07 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review Date: 2017-12-04 IETF LC End Date: 2017-12-12 IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-11 Summary: Major issues: None Minor issues: None Nits/editorial comments: It would be helpful to add description on why you = need both Tracking Interface and Tracking network. Both of them have the sa= me description "to detect interface connectivity failures". What kind of "= connectivity failures" will be reported over the "Tracking Interface"? what= connectivity failures will be reported to "Tracking Network"? Thanks, Linda Dunbar _______________________________________________ Gen-art mailing list Gen-art@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Mon Dec 4 19:54:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F4A120454; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:54:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-05.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151244606867.13774.8634366569072350886@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:54:28 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:54:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Network Instances Authors : Lou Berger Christan Hopps Acee Lindem Dean Bogdanovic Xufeng Liu Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-05.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2017-12-04 Abstract: This document defines a network instance module. This module can be used to manage the virtual resource partitioning that may be present on a network device. Examples of common industry terms for virtual resource partitioning are Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) instances and Virtual Switch Instances (VSIs). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Dec 4 19:56:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E8A120454; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:56:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-05.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151244617611.13758.11204172048045928703@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:56:16 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:56:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Logical Network Elements Authors : Lou Berger Christan Hopps Acee Lindem Dean Bogdanovic Xufeng Liu Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-05.txt Pages : 49 Date : 2017-12-04 Abstract: This document defines a logical network element module. This module can be used to manage the logical resource partitioning that may be present on a network device. Examples of common industry terms for logical resource partitioning are Logical Systems or Logical Routers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3PR0201MB0868; H:BN3PR0201MB0867.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: jabil.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: jabil.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f5245124-e91a-48ba-f255-08d53bfda45f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Dec 2017 16:31:31.0965 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bc876b21-f134-4c12-a265-8ed26b7f0f3b X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN3PR0201MB0868 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 16:31:43 -0000 Hi Reshad, Thanks for the review comment. Can you please check the following? Regards, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) [mailto:rrahman@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 5:05 PM > To: Xufeng Liu ; ietf@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org; > rtg-bfd@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Last Call: (A YANG Data M= odel > for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard >=20 > Hi Xufeng, >=20 > You are correct, I looked at the wrong version. >=20 > If explicit-neighbors feature is not supported, would you want to have th= e BFD > client parameters (client-cfg-parms) configured in RIP? Otherwise operato= r > needs to look at neighbors discovered and configure parameters under BFD = for > that neighbor. And when a new neighbor shows up, the same thing has to be > done again. [Xufeng] Yes. It would be better to have such a capability. Now that a newe= r version of the BFD model (draft-ietf-bfd-yang-07) have been posted, it wo= uld be better to use the new grouping "client-cfg-parms" and be consistent= with other IGPs. Please review if the followings are the proper changes: module ietf-rip { + import ietf-bfd-types { + prefix "bfd-types"; + } container bfd { if-feature bfd; description "BFD configuration."; - leaf enabled { - type boolean; - default false; - description - "'true' if BFD is enabled for the interface."; - } + uses bfd-types:client-cfg-parms; } } +--rw interfaces | +--rw interface* [interface] | +--rw interface if:interface-ref | +--rw bfd {bfd}? - | | +--rw enabled? boolean + | | +--rw enable? boolean = <=3D=3D From grouping client-cfg-parms + | | +--rw local-multiplier? multiplier + | | +--rw (interval-config-type)? + | | +--:(tx-rx-intervals) + | | | +--rw desired-min-tx-interval uint32 + | | | +--rw required-min-rx-interval uint32 + | | +--:(single-interval) + | | +--rw min-interval uint32 [Xufeng] BTW. A comment about the leaf "enable" above: in most published mo= dels, "enabled" is used instead of "enable". Do you want to make it consist= ent? =20 >=20 > Please see email discussion with OSPF/ISIS YANG authors. > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-bfd/KNipAESw8fGKuUKrCxFlhdkRA0Y >=20 > Regards, > Reshad. >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: Xufeng Liu > Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 4:50 PM > To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman); ietf@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org; > rtg-bfd@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Last Call: (A YANG Data M= odel > for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard >=20 > Hi Reshad, >=20 > Can you please double-check the revision 06 of the document? draft-ietf-r= tgwg- > yang-rip-04 used bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms, and was taken out by draft-= ietf- > rtgwg-yang-rip-05. Please let us know if this is not the case, or we need= to do > something differently. >=20 > Thanks, > - Xufeng >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) [mailto:rrahman@cisco.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49 AM > > To: ietf@ietf.org > > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; > > rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; rtg-bfd@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: Last Call: (A YANG > > Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed > > Standard > > > > Hi, > > > > The RIP YANG model uses bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms from BFD YANG. > > That grouping does not exist in latest revision (it has been renamed). > > Also, as per discussions we had with OSPF/ISIS YANG authors, the > > grouping which should be used from BFD is client-cfg-parms. > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > ________________________________________ > > From: rtgwg on behalf of The IESG > secretary@ietf.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:29 AM > > To: IETF-Announce > > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; > > rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org > > Subject: Last Call: (A YANG Data > > Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard > > > > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG > > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for > > Routing Information Protocol (RIP)' > > as Proposed Standard > > > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-12-12. Exceptionally, comments may > > be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the > > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > > > Abstract > > > > > > This document describes a data model for the Routing Information > > Protocol (RIP). Both RIP version 2 and RIPng are covered. > > > > > > > > > > The file can be obtained via > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ > > > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ballot/ > > > > > > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. > > > > > > The document contains these normative downward references. > > See RFC 3967 for additional information: > > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7223bis: A YANG Data Model for Interface > > Management (None - IETF stream) > > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores: Network Management Datastore > > Architecture (None - IETF stream) > > draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis: A YANG Data Model for Routing > > Management (NDMA Version) (None - ) > > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7277bis: A YANG Data Model for IP > > Management (None - IETF stream) > > draft-ietf-ospf-yang: Yang Data Model for OSPF Protocol (None - > > IETF stream) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Tue Dec 5 10:51:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C1C127868; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:51:36 -0000 Hi Xufeng,=0A= =0A= Changes below look good. =0A= =0A= As for changing 'enable' to 'enabled', I had checked what OSPF and ISIS wer= e using and in both cases it is 'enable'. But yes I agree it should be cons= istent.=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= Reshad. =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Xufeng Liu =0A= Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:31 AM=0A= To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman); ietf@ietf.org=0A= Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf.o= rg; rtg-bfd@ietf.org=0A= Subject: RE: Last Call: (A YANG Data Mod= el for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard=0A= =0A= Hi Reshad,=0A= =0A= Thanks for the review comment. Can you please check the following?=0A= Regards,=0A= - Xufeng=0A= =0A= > -----Original Message-----=0A= > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) [mailto:rrahman@cisco.com]=0A= > Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 5:05 PM=0A= > To: Xufeng Liu ; ietf@ietf.org=0A= > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org;=0A= > rtg-bfd@ietf.org=0A= > Subject: Re: Last Call: (A YANG Data M= odel=0A= > for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard=0A= >=0A= > Hi Xufeng,=0A= >=0A= > You are correct, I looked at the wrong version.=0A= >=0A= > If explicit-neighbors feature is not supported, would you want to have th= e BFD=0A= > client parameters (client-cfg-parms) configured in RIP? Otherwise operato= r=0A= > needs to look at neighbors discovered and configure parameters under BFD = for=0A= > that neighbor. And when a new neighbor shows up, the same thing has to be= =0A= > done again.=0A= =0A= [Xufeng] Yes. It would be better to have such a capability. Now that a newe= r version of the BFD model (draft-ietf-bfd-yang-07) have been posted, it wo= uld be better to use the new grouping "client-cfg-parms" and be consistent= with other IGPs. Please review if the followings are the proper changes:= =0A= =0A= module ietf-rip {=0A= + import ietf-bfd-types {=0A= + prefix "bfd-types";=0A= + }=0A= =0A= container bfd {=0A= if-feature bfd;=0A= description "BFD configuration.";=0A= - leaf enabled {=0A= - type boolean;=0A= - default false;=0A= - description=0A= - "'true' if BFD is enabled for the interface.";=0A= - }=0A= + uses bfd-types:client-cfg-parms;=0A= }=0A= =0A= }=0A= =0A= +--rw interfaces=0A= | +--rw interface* [interface]=0A= | +--rw interface if:interface-ref=0A= | +--rw bfd {bfd}?=0A= - | | +--rw enabled? boolean=0A= + | | +--rw enable? boolean = <=3D=3D From grouping client-cfg-parms=0A= + | | +--rw local-multiplier? multiplier=0A= + | | +--rw (interval-config-type)?=0A= + | | +--:(tx-rx-intervals)=0A= + | | | +--rw desired-min-tx-interval uint32=0A= + | | | +--rw required-min-rx-interval uint32=0A= + | | +--:(single-interval)=0A= + | | +--rw min-interval uint32=0A= =0A= [Xufeng] BTW. A comment about the leaf "enable" above: in most published mo= dels, "enabled" is used instead of "enable". Do you want to make it consist= ent?=0A= =0A= >=0A= > Please see email discussion with OSPF/ISIS YANG authors.=0A= > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-bfd/KNipAESw8fGKuUKrCxFlhdkRA0Y= =0A= >=0A= > Regards,=0A= > Reshad.=0A= >=0A= > ________________________________________=0A= > From: Xufeng Liu =0A= > Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 4:50 PM=0A= > To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman); ietf@ietf.org=0A= > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org; rtgwg-chairs@ietf= .org;=0A= > rtg-bfd@ietf.org=0A= > Subject: RE: Last Call: (A YANG Data M= odel=0A= > for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard=0A= >=0A= > Hi Reshad,=0A= >=0A= > Can you please double-check the revision 06 of the document? draft-ietf-r= tgwg-=0A= > yang-rip-04 used bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms, and was taken out by draft-= ietf-=0A= > rtgwg-yang-rip-05. Please let us know if this is not the case, or we need= to do=0A= > something differently.=0A= >=0A= > Thanks,=0A= > - Xufeng=0A= >=0A= > > -----Original Message-----=0A= > > From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) [mailto:rrahman@cisco.com]=0A= > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49 AM=0A= > > To: ietf@ietf.org=0A= > > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org;=0A= > > rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; rtg-bfd@ietf.org=0A= > > Subject: Re: Last Call: (A YANG=0A= > > Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed=0A= > > Standard=0A= > >=0A= > > Hi,=0A= > >=0A= > > The RIP YANG model uses bfd-grouping-base-cfg-parms from BFD YANG.=0A= > > That grouping does not exist in latest revision (it has been renamed).= =0A= > > Also, as per discussions we had with OSPF/ISIS YANG authors, the=0A= > > grouping which should be used from BFD is client-cfg-parms.=0A= > >=0A= > > Regards,=0A= > > Reshad.=0A= > > ________________________________________=0A= > > From: rtgwg on behalf of The IESG > secretary@ietf.org>=0A= > > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:29 AM=0A= > > To: IETF-Announce=0A= > > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org;=0A= > > rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org=0A= > > Subject: Last Call: (A YANG Data=0A= > > Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP)) to Proposed Standard=0A= > >=0A= > > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG= =0A= > > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for=0A= > > Routing Information Protocol (RIP)'=0A= > > as Proposed Standard=0A= > >=0A= > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits= =0A= > > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the= =0A= > > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-12-12. Exceptionally, comments may= =0A= > > be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the=0A= > > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.=0A= > >=0A= > > Abstract=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > > This document describes a data model for the Routing Information=0A= > > Protocol (RIP). Both RIP version 2 and RIPng are covered.=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > > The file can be obtained via=0A= > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/=0A= > >=0A= > > IESG discussion can be tracked via=0A= > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ballot/=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > > The document contains these normative downward references.=0A= > > See RFC 3967 for additional information:=0A= > > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7223bis: A YANG Data Model for Interface= =0A= > > Management (None - IETF stream)=0A= > > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores: Network Management Datastore= =0A= > > Architecture (None - IETF stream)=0A= > > draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis: A YANG Data Model for Routing=0A= > > Management (NDMA Version) (None - )=0A= > > draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7277bis: A YANG Data Model for IP=0A= > > Management (None - IETF stream)=0A= > > draft-ietf-ospf-yang: Yang Data Model for OSPF Protocol (None -=0A= > > IETF stream)=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > > _______________________________________________=0A= > > rtgwg mailing list=0A= > > rtgwg@ietf.org=0A= > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg=0A= From nobody Tue Dec 5 10:59:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59460129649; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 10:59:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rich Salz To: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-07 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.67.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151250038233.23003.7660980675190435187@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:59:42 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:59:42 -0000 Reviewer: Rich Salz Review result: Ready I did this review for the Security Directorate (SECDIR) to help the Security AD's. This document is ready. Section 1.2 gives an augmented diagram syntax; is that common? Should it be added to "yang proper"? The security considerations is short and to the point. This document describes a data model, so the security considerations properly point call out requirements on any transport mechanism used. Calling out particularly vulnerable nodes is good practice. Perhaps add a sentence saying that "implemented should review all the nodes for security concerns" might be useful. 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boundary="94eb2c0ec71e42562a055f9faff8" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:52:13 -0000 --94eb2c0ec71e42562a055f9faff8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, I've read the draft and believe that it is ready to be submitted to IESG for publication. yes/support. Regards, Greg > > > On 01/12/2017 21:31, Yingzhen Qu wrote: > > Dear RTGWG, > > > > The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call > draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa. Since both Jeff and Chris are > author/contributor of this draft, I=E2=80=99ll be running the LC. > > > > There was consensus that document is ready for the last call and the > authors have resolved all the comments from shepherd review. > > Please indicate support or no-support by December 18, 2017. > > > > IPR: > > An IPR call has been done in October, all co-authors have responded excep= t > Shraddha Hegde (please let me know if I overlooked your response). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor and haven=E2=80=99t > responded to the IPR call, please respond to this > > email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. > > The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > > received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the > document. > > > > Thanks, > > Yingzhen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing listrtgwg@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg= wg > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > --94eb2c0ec71e42562a055f9faff8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
I've read the draft and believe that it = is ready to be submitted to IESG for publication.

= yes/support.

Regards,
Greg
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On 01/12/2017 21:3= 1, Yingzhen Qu wrote:
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Dear RTGWG,=

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The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa. Since both Jeff an= d Chris are author/contributor of this draft, I=E2=80=99ll be run= ning the LC.

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The definition below feels a little forced, but it=E2=80=99s ok. I=E2=80=99m clearing the DISCUSS. Thanks! Alvaro. On November 12, 2017 at 8:47:31 PM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com ( stephane.litkowski@orange.com) wrote: I just posted a v9 which fixes the definition of LSP_GEN_TIMER as follows: LSP_GEN_TIMER: The delay between two consecutives local LSP/LSA generation. From an operational point of view, this delay is usually tuned to batch multiple local events in one single local LSP/LSA update. In IS-IS, this timer is defined as minimumLSPGenerationInterval in [ISO10589]. In OSPF version 2, this timer is defined as MinLSInterval in [RFC2328]. It is often associated with a vendor specific damping mechanism to slow down reactions by incrementing the timer when multiple consecutive events are detected. I hope it addresses your comment, otherwise let me know. --001a11c01f180dce41055fd6296b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Stephane:

Hi!

Th= e definition below feels a little forced, but it=E2=80=99s ok.

I=E2=80=99m clearing the DISCUSS.=

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On November 12, 2017 at 8:47:31 PM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com (stephane.litkowski@orange.com) wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"clean_bq">

I just= posted a v9 which fixes the definition of LSP_GEN_TIMER as follows:=

LSP_GEN_TIMER:=C2=A0The delay = between two consecutives local LSP/LSA

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= generation.=C2=A0 From an operational point of view, this delay is<= /p>

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 usually tuned to batch multiple local events= in one single local

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LSP/LSA update.= =C2=A0 In IS-IS, this timer is defined as

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 minimumLSPGenerationInterval in [ISO10589].=C2=A0 In OSPF version 2,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 this timer is defined as MinLSInterval i= n [RFC2328].=C2=A0 It is often

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 associa= ted with a vendor specific damping mechanism to slow down

<= span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'Courier New'">=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 reactions by incrementing the timer when multiple con= secutive

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 events are detected.

=C2=A0

I hope it addresses your com= ment, otherwise let me know.

=C2=A0

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Regards, Khaled Omar --_000_AM4PR0401MB224147F429B83CBD7A91FA0FBD300AM4PR0401MB2241_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone,

 

Below is one of the IDs that I uploaded to the IETF = and looking for discussing it with the appropriate people and the appropria= te area of discussion.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar-nep/

 

I tried to make it not so long so it can be read qui= ckly and still clear for everyone.

 

Regards,=

 

Khaled Omar=

 

 

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X-Google-Sender-Auth: s9bzsrBKahxPtah8aF8WnL3JKa0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. To: Khaled Omar Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" , ietf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d1074e1524f055fedf3b5" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:14:50 -0000 --001a113d1074e1524f055fedf3b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" what problem were you trying to solve? On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Khaled Omar wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Please let me have the opportunity to ask all of you to reserve some time > in your agenda for the discussion of NEP and give it a priority on the kist > of your discussion as it will not take long time looking for something more > to add. > > I have confidence that this ID has more to add but the contents is just > the start of the new protocol. > > I hope I'm not bothering you by my question but I'm sure everyone of you > has something on mind to add to make the ID take the best shape and please > do not be afraid of posting any comment regarding the contents of the 2nd > version of the I-D. > > This long e-mail is to encourage you to participate and I'm sure the > discussion will be exciting and please do not understand as i'm pushing you > to participate, eventually it is up to you. > > P.S. After finding the appropriate area or wg for the discussion I will > stop sending e-mails to the ietf mailing list. > > Thanks, > > Khaled Omar > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. > From: Khaled Omar > To: rtgwg@ietf.org > CC: ietf@ietf.org > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Below is one of the IDs that I uploaded to the IETF and looking for > discussing it with the appropriate people and the appropriate area of > discussion. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar-nep/ > > > > I tried to make it not so long so it can be read quickly and still clear > for everyone. > > > > *Regards,* > > > > *Khaled Omar* > > > > > > --001a113d1074e1524f055fedf3b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what problem were you trying to solve?

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM= , Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com> wrote:=
Hi everyone,

Please let me have the opportunity to ask all of you to reserve some time i= n your agenda for the discussion of NEP and give it a priority on the kist = of your discussion as it will not take long time looking for something more= to add.

I have confidence that this ID has more to add but the contents is just the= start of the new protocol.

I hope I'm not bothering you by my question but I'm sure everyone o= f you has something on mind to add to make the ID take the best shape and p= lease do not be afraid of posting any comment regarding the contents of the= 2nd version of the I-D.

This long e-mail is to encourage you to participate and I'm sure the di= scussion will be exciting and please do not understand as i'm pushing y= ou to participate, eventually it is up to you.

P.S. After finding the appropriate area or wg for the discussion I will sto= p sending e-mails to the ietf mailing list.

Thanks,

Khaled Omar


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID.
From: Khaled Omar
To: rtgwg@ietf.org<= br> CC: ietf@ietf.org

Hi everyone,

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Below is one of the IDs that I uploaded to the IETF = and looking for discussing it with the appropriate people and the appropria= te area of discussion.

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar= -nep/

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I tried to make it not so long so it can be read qui= ckly and still clear for everyone.

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Regards,<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Khaled Omar=

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The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-?? Reviewer: Roni Even Review Date: 2017-12-10 IETF LC End Date: 2017-12-12 IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-11 Summary: The document is ready for publication with nits as a standard track RFC Major issues: Minor issues: Nits/editorial comments: 1. in section 4 " type enumeration { enum 1 { description "IS-IS level 1 routes."; } enum 2 { description "IS-IS level 1 routes."; }" enum 2 is IS-IS level 2 routes 2. In Appendix A , the figure with eth0 and the data tree with eth1. Also there is "ipv4-prefix": "198.51.100.0/24" which are not in the figure From nobody Sun Dec 10 16:18:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B436126DCA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:18:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=luisbalbinot-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dYDMV8KZm8LT for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x233.google.com (mail-pf0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9873E124207 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id j124so10264494pfc.2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=luisbalbinot-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=idmTm4sxKPSW2/nPJVmx0XOmTDd0qCW+xikAj6dHyJA=; b=JnhruHQlNaBZysUjtOjbXtuWBAKbJ5BkIxTAXGMT0iKruWIvRTOyYpPCkCnbjwiR2i tWplMvqtLZrPrdD4GLJO+wrbsX511b3kbmynjplmIGTt1H07qDsqL2YdXz48SZONCEzi PktRAWx6PjFhs4HwWdmrP9DkPOOLwLu7GqgAiWB80eQNSR+YBKTTf/AsBH/h+Wh/zzNK l4boY9APi8ifS18AxwYmFcZomalApFPKGsXgJrLUpd2kY2nSGC+RRpau7Tb5mmXp/7Dc WuMFcmdOVy9GA8Vul+Yi50L3L9M7jVgAGIgZYCLuxTw0As3Qww0B12P7Sp9MjQCAj1+f Qprw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=idmTm4sxKPSW2/nPJVmx0XOmTDd0qCW+xikAj6dHyJA=; b=efV1L6x7PuNGx9YudMuDeZy0EIUYbCrvqI1c0d1gtBcIkzRNP4pIZ6EAEAXmJlfaG1 2N2hxcEe37QG96ebbCtOQXHyzppnjHIRhNj9hDZrXFlTWmeH0ZGPBGVmcGBaGGH/eF3h q18Am33odrj+09p8TIKx/EJh1V9RREcYrOx6jIwCgrRCUVvPtIC/vDqk559auE57sX1r UqDjJpAqf3+35ovzSNZ6F/j2i1GcvCgLy2yUBYerV68Q7Ss6v/Rx7aK2hxUcHJ1BK/1V cqYKHnqSxlhUR3Va36FRrmQkpeVlK1UlUBnpKze5rrcPNaRJ96d/xj3W10zAYwslBiLG 1Ocg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ5gPEVviYOW6G4u+24tjhvXPwSgKt7q2TLotzV6+POu5iDGJqy 2T3d+DoEpHhrKfize7wfSDFZtxa8miXLliHwRAye X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBot961yWMSLNwtGt+02mIb0q09yT95I8STa0cAtNrwr9WWjg5BahZ2U98SdXTFGQYzTuF2QggrLCd6ZzsEF661M= X-Received: by 10.159.235.132 with SMTP id f4mr5941337plr.122.1512951480185; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:18:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.241.195 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.241.195 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:17:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Luis Balbinot Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:17:59 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. To: Khaled Omar Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1dffe08a0674056005774b" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:18:05 -0000 --94eb2c1dffe08a0674056005774b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yeah, these are not the people you are looking for. Talk to operators, they will let you know how IGP metrics are useless in today's networks, even the enhanced metrics you are proposing. You must take into consideration that almost all traffic engineering on large networks is actually done using other protocols, even with external controllers nowadays. These external controllers have much more knowledge about the network and running applications than the network nodes do. IGP metrics are informational at best. Luis On Dec 8, 2017 14:02, "Khaled Omar" wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > Below is one of the IDs that I uploaded to the IETF and looking for > discussing it with the appropriate people and the appropriate area of > discussion. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar-nep/ > > > > I tried to make it not so long so it can be read quickly and still clear > for everyone. > > > > *Regards,* > > > > *Khaled Omar* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > --94eb2c1dffe08a0674056005774b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, these are not the people you are looking for. Talk = to operators, they will let you know how IGP metrics are useless in today&#= 39;s networks, even the enhanced metrics you are proposing.

You must take into consideration that almost = all traffic engineering on large networks is actually done using other prot= ocols, even with external controllers nowadays. These external controllers = have much more knowledge about the network and running applications than th= e network nodes do. IGP metrics are informational at best.

Luis

On Dec 8, 2017 14:02, "Khaled Omar&q= uot; <eng.khaled.omar@hot= mail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

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Below is one of the IDs that I uploaded to the IETF = and looking for discussing it with the appropriate people and the appropria= te area of discussion.

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar= -nep/

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I tried to make it not so long so it can be read qui= ckly and still clear for everyone.

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Regards,<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Khaled Omar=

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11 Dec 2017 02:31:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.67.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151298830235.21249.1563023244756372004@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:31:42 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:31:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : SPF Back-off algorithm for link state IGPs Authors : Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Hannes Gredler Acee Lindem Pierre Francois Chris Bowers Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2017-12-11 Abstract: This document defines a standard algorithm to back-off link-state IGP Shortest Path First (SPF) computations. Having one standard algorithm improves interoperability by reducing the probability and/or duration of transient forwarding loops during the IGP convergence when the IGP reacts to multiple temporally close IGP events. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Dec 11 02:55:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD14F12778D for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:55:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9jHoxDedzUd for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70446127058 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.68]) by opfednr20.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 3920940860 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:54:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.69]) by opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 1FF0140085 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:54:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::bc1c:ad2f:eda3:8c3d%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:54:56 +0100 From: To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07.txt Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07.txt Thread-Index: AQHTcms/VvfvIo3Z20KlsD8JAMDimqM99Wuw Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:54:55 +0000 Message-ID: <17887_1512989697_5A2E6401_17887_376_9_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A4791B76E@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <151298830235.21249.1563023244756372004@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <151298830235.21249.1563023244756372004@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:55:01 -0000 Hi all, -07 address the comments raised by Uma (document shepherd) In additional to editorial comments, the main changes are: - addition of a section "5.2 Timers" grouping the definition of the 3 timer= s used. - in the FSM diagram, addition of the "SPF_TIMER expiration" event. This ev= ent does not change the FSM state, but is shown for completeness. - in =A75.4 "FSM Events" addition of the "SPF_TIMER expiration" event descr= ibing the action performed in response to this event. (i.e. Compute SPF; re= main in current state) Full diff are: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff= -algo-07 Best regards, --Bruno > -----Original Message----- > From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts= @ietf.org > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:32 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direc= tories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IE= TF. >=20 > Title : SPF Back-off algorithm for link state IGPs > Authors : Bruno Decraene > Stephane Litkowski > Hannes Gredler > Acee Lindem > Pierre Francois > Chris Bowers > Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2017-12-11 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a standard algorithm to back-off link-state IGP > Shortest Path First (SPF) computations. >=20 > Having one standard algorithm improves interoperability by reducing > the probability and/or duration of transient forwarding loops during > the IGP convergence when the IGP reacts to multiple temporally close > IGP events. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submis= sion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Mon Dec 11 17:59:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FCE127275 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:59:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RJg4MZZk7eWs for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.oneunified.net (mail1.oneunified.net [63.85.42.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18CC3126D05 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:59:08 -0800 (PST) X-OneUnified-MailScanner-Watermark: 1513648746.77257@tPCXKhVsVPPM/ZRWYbZF2A X-OneUnified-MailScanner-From: ray@oneunified.net X-OneUnified-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-OneUnified-MailScanner-ID: vBC1wwZW006474 X-OneUnified-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Received: from [10.40.30.10] ([199.68.195.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.oneunified.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id vBC1wwZW006474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:59:03 GMT Subject: Re: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. To: rtgwg@ietf.org References: From: Raymond Burkholder Message-ID: <9d42b742-b253-4755-ad1f-a619172b57d2@oneunified.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:58:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:59:11 -0000 On 12/11/2017 04:23 AM, Khaled Omar wrote: > > Yeah, these are not the people you are looking for. Talk to > operators, they will let you know how IGP metrics are useless in today's > networks, even the enhanced metrics you are proposing. > > So what is the replacement for IGP metric if they are useless? > > You mentioned as well other protocols, will be great to know more about > these protocols. It isn't necessarily protocols any more. It has more to do with how calculations are made. They are starting to be made in centrally controlled distributed fashion (if that makes sense). Look at min/max linear optimizations as a start where individual nodes make flow decisions based upon capacity available and bandwidth available not only locally, but on the path(s) towards the destination. And the calculations may be made on a per flow or flow batch mechanism. Shortest path may no longer win, but the path established locally based upon global parameters provided by neighbors as well as a central authority. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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NEP does not uses the shortest path, it learns full topology information an= d then decide which route (path) is the best at the moment based on the tot= al route bandwidth, total route delay, and the no. of hops, there is no nee= d for other protocols or a central authority.=20 Best regards, Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Burkholder Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:59 AM To: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. On 12/11/2017 04:23 AM, Khaled Omar wrote: > > Yeah, these are not the people you are looking for. Talk to=20 > operators, they will let you know how IGP metrics are useless in=20 > today's networks, even the enhanced metrics you are proposing. >=20 > So what is the replacement for IGP metric if they are useless? >=20 > You mentioned as well other protocols, will be great to know more=20 > about these protocols. It isn't necessarily protocols any more. It has more to do with how calcul= ations are made. They are starting to be made in centrally controlled dist= ributed fashion (if that makes sense). Look at min/max linear optimization= s as a start where individual nodes make flow decisions based upon capacity= available and bandwidth available not only locally, but on the path(s) tow= ards the destination. And the calculations may be made on a per flow or fl= ow batch mechanism. Shortest path may no longer win, but the path established locally based upo= n global parameters provided by neighbors as well as a central authority. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScan= ner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Tue Dec 12 04:36:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F72128D40 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:36:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kQyk8FnbXKWb for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.oneunified.net (mail1.oneunified.net [63.85.42.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30A1E126B6D for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 04:36:52 -0800 (PST) X-OneUnified-MailScanner-Watermark: 1513687007.96395@iEDLDqdRdG1jOv8mkSyYcQ X-OneUnified-MailScanner-From: ray@oneunified.net X-OneUnified-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-OneUnified-MailScanner-ID: vBCCahOg020614 X-OneUnified-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Received: from BM1QVSL12420 (mail1.oneunified.net [63.85.42.215]) by mail1.oneunified.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id vBCCahOg020614 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:36:44 GMT From: "Raymond Burkholder" To: References: <9d42b742-b253-4755-ad1f-a619172b57d2@oneunified.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:36:48 -0400 Message-ID: <654c01d37345$e150c160$a3f24420$@oneunified.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQL542sUwnoe02oO/PUiferJEWWJcAJi43sJAfGEwFcCPpQkcKC+LF+Q Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:36:55 -0000 > > Shortest path may no longer win, but the path established locally based > upon global parameters provided by neighbors as well as a central authority. > > NEP does not uses the shortest path, it learns full topology information and > then decide which route (path) is the best at the moment based on the total > route bandwidth, total route delay, and the no. of hops, there is no need for > other protocols or a central authority. > Hmm, sounds like the 'bees knees', as some else mentioned elsewhere, not too long ago. Sorry, I missed seeing the documentation on the algorithm. I am new to finding my way around. Where would I be able to find the latest notes and information on how this works? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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Thread-Topic: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. 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You can find the latest version of NEP through the following link: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-omar-nep/ It is not too long ID, but the information is clear. Khaled -----Original Message----- From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Burkholder Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 2:37 PM To: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: RE: Numbering Exchange Protocol (NEP) ID. > > Shortest path may no longer win, but the path established locally=20 > > based > upon global parameters provided by neighbors as well as a central authority. >=20 > NEP does not uses the shortest path, it learns full topology=20 > information and > then decide which route (path) is the best at the moment based on the total > route bandwidth, total route delay, and the no. of hops, there is no=20 > need for > other protocols or a central authority. >=20 Hmm, sounds like the 'bees knees', as some else mentioned elsewhere, not to= o long ago. Sorry, I missed seeing the documentation on the algorithm. =20 I am new to finding my way around. Where would I be able to find the lates= t notes and information on how this works? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScan= ner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Thu Dec 14 06:48:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD1A1292FD; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 06:48:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-07.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.67.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151326290368.6099.11794603694882290226@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 06:48:23 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:48:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP) Authors : Xufeng Liu Prateek Sarda Vikram Choudhary Filename : draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-07.txt Pages : 43 Date : 2017-12-14 Abstract: This document describes a data model for the Routing Information Protocol (RIP). Both RIP version 2 and RIPng are covered. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Subject: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p To: RTGWG Cc: rtg-bfd@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114eddd819881205604f9ac7" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:44:51 -0000 --001a114eddd819881205604f9ac7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" RTGWG, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an individual draft. Before conducting a poll regarding working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to get responses from the authors and contributors regarding any IPR related to this draft. First, there is some history associated with this draft that is useful to document. In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was published based on the use of point-to-point BFD by VRRP. In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-00 was published based on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP. In October of 2015, after suggestions from the WG, the two drafts above were merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02. In January of 2016, the following IPR was disclosed related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd when this IPR was disclosed. In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conducted regarding draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. There was not consensus to adopt the draft due to IPR concerns. See this email for details. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtgwg/current/msg05729.html In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was published. In October of 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (rev-01) was published. In December of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an minor update to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published. It is my understanding from discussions with the authors of these drafts, both inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separating the content of the merged draft back into two separate drafts in such a way that the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not apply to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. Having documented that history, I would now like to conduct the usual RTGWG process regarding IPR, specifically for IPR related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p/ If you are listed as an author or contributor to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p, please respond to this email stating whether or not you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. Thanks, Chris --001a114eddd819881205604f9ac7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
RTGWG,

= draft-nitish-vrrp-bf= d-p2p is currently an individual draft.=C2=A0 Before conducting
a poll regarding working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to= get responses from
the authors and contributors = regarding any IPR related to this draft.

First, there is some history associated with this draft that i= s useful to document.

In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was publ= ished based on the use of
point-to-point BFD by VRRP.

In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-u= se-case-00 was published
based on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP.<= /div>

In October of 2015, after suggestions from= the WG, the two drafts above were
merged into d= raft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02.

<= div>In January of 2016, the following IPR was disclosed related to draft-nitis= h-vrrp-bfd.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/<= br>draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bf= d when this IPR
was disclosed.
=

In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was cond= ucted regarding draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.
There was not= consensus to adopt the draft due to IPR concerns.=C2=A0 See this email for= details.

In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-= bfd-p2p-00 was published.=C2=A0

In October of= 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (rev-01) = was published.

In Decemb= er of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an minor update to
<= font size=3D"2">draft-n= itish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published.
It is my understanding from discussions with the au= thors of these drafts,
both inside and outside of the= RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that
draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written w= ith the goal of separating the content
of the merged= draft back into two separate drafts in such a way that=C2=A0
the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/= does not apply to
draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.
=
Having documented that history, I would now like = to conduct the usual
RTGWG process regarding IPR, = specifically for IPR related to
draft-nitish-vrrp= -bfd-p2p.


=
If you are listed as an author or contributor to draft-nitis= h-vrrp-bfd-p2p,
please respond to this email st= ating whether or not you are aware of any
IPR that ap= plies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The response needs to be sent
to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to th= e next stage
until a response has been received from = each author and each individual
that has contribu= ted to the document.

Thanks,
Chris

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drafts-update-ref@iana.org, rtgwg@ietf.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20171214213110.505A6B80C33@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:31:10 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:31:39 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8294 Title: Common YANG Data Types for the Routing Area Author: X. Liu, Y. Qu, A. Lindem, C. Hopps, L. Berger Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: December 2017 Mailbox: xufeng_liu@jabil.com, yingzhen.qu@huawei.com, acee@cisco.com, chopps@chopps.org, lberger@labn.net Pages: 43 Characters: 66851 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-17.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8294 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8294 This document defines a collection of common data types using the YANG data modeling language. These derived common types are designed to be imported by other modules defined in the routing area. This document is a product of the Routing Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3596104111_475347419 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit As co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to the draft. Thanks, Jeff From: rtgwg on behalf of Chris Bowers Date: Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:44 AM To: RTGWG Cc: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" Subject: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p RTGWG, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an individual draft. Before conducting a poll regarding working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to get responses from the authors and contributors regarding any IPR related to this draft. First, there is some history associated with this draft that is useful to document. In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was published based on the use of point-to-point BFD by VRRP. In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-00 was published based on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP. In October of 2015, after suggestions from the WG, the two drafts above were merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02. In January of 2016, the following IPR was disclosed related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd when this IPR was disclosed. In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conducted regarding draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. There was not consensus to adopt the draft due to IPR concerns. See this email for details. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtgwg/current/msg05729.html In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was published. In October of 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (rev-01) was published. In December of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an minor update to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published. It is my understanding from discussions with the authors of these drafts, both inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separating the content of the merged draft back into two separate drafts in such a way that the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not apply to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. Having documented that history, I would now like to conduct the usual RTGWG process regarding IPR, specifically for IPR related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p/ If you are listed as an author or contributor to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p, please respond to this email stating whether or not you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. Thanks, Chris _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg --B_3596104111_475347419 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

As co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that app= lies to the draft.

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,

Jeff

From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Chris Bowers <chrisb= owers.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:44= AM
To: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rtg-bfd@i= etf.org" <rtg-bfd@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR call for draft= -nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p

 

RTGWG,

draft-niti= sh-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an individual draft.  Before conducting

a poll regarding= working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to get responses from =

the authors and cont= ributors regarding any IPR related to this draft.

 

First, there is some history associated = with this draft that is useful to document.

=

 

=

In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was = published based on the use of

point-to-point BFD by VRRP.

=

 

=

In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-us= e-case-00 was published

based on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP.<= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

In October of 2015, after = suggestions from the WG, the two drafts above were

merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02.<= /span>

=  

= In January of = 2016, the following IPR was disclosed related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/= ipr/2739/
draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version of draft-n= itish-vrrp-bfd when this IPR

was disclosed.

 

In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conducted regardi= ng draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.

There was not consensus to adopt the draft due to IPR concerns.&= nbsp; See this email for details.

 

In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was publish= ed. 

In October of 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (= rev-01) was published.

 

In December of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an minor update to
draft= -nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published.

 

It is my understanding from discussions with the autho= rs of these drafts,

both inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that
draf= t-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separating the content

of the merged dr= aft back into two separate drafts in such a way that 

the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.= ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not apply to
draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.

&nbs= p;

Having documented = that history, I would now like to conduct the usual

RTGWG process regarding IPR, specifica= lly for IPR related to

draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.

 

 

If you ar= e listed as an author or contributor to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p,

please respond to this= email stating whether or not you are aware of any

IPR that applies to draft-nitish-vrrp-b= fd-p2p. The response needs to be sent

to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not adv= ance to the next stage

until a response has been received from each author and each indivi= dual

that has= contributed to the document.

 

Thank= s,

Chris

 

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--B_3596104111_475347419-- From nobody Thu Dec 14 16:10:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81151205F0; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5L0O5XqTCr3I; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9817D1200F3; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:10:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=11395; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1513296623; x=1514506223; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=lkhm6Ni3Q6eUulJsy9MgC0cx+MHiTtRGyJmf6/eC1vg=; b=M+Zi3CzGWEaYDs+0PvC4wGX5YgNMwGfaBLboZa5WlgtzGUpqLU/qLeyI r+zOIN4pYSqENhbhd1ZKsecVQzaMAz6r/b8PYS+/g+JqK22ESRmPTPc8d 2Y/GkHsJAYCGmZgEogJ2eY0oxjnH6k9Tt2Pay6oVRx5PYQyEojdRBWzMb o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AaAQDvETNa/4cNJK1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYJKRS9mdCcHjhyPB4F9iHyITIVOFIIBCiOFGIR5PxgBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQFrKIUjAQYdEEEGBRIBCBEDAQIoKBEUCQkBBA4FCIk+TAMVEKtxhzoNgxsBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGgWDZYIOgVaBaYMrgmpEAQGBOgERAgE+hVgFomg?= =?us-ascii?q?9Aod7iC+EdYIfhhKLRIpHgk4+hWyDAQIRGQGBOgEfOWBubxU6gimEVQF4AYk9g?= =?us-ascii?q?RUBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.45,402,1508803200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="44969197" Received: from alln-core-2.cisco.com ([173.36.13.135]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Dec 2017 00:10:22 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-020.cisco.com (xch-aln-020.cisco.com [173.36.7.30]) by alln-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vBF0AMBb022275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:10:22 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-018.cisco.com (173.37.102.28) by XCH-ALN-020.cisco.com (173.36.7.30) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:10:22 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-018.cisco.com ([173.37.102.28]) by XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com ([173.37.102.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:10:22 -0600 From: "Aditya Dogra (addogra)" To: RTGWG CC: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p@ietf.org" Subject: Re: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p Thread-Topic: Re: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p Thread-Index: AdN1ONBrGiRw2hglTBCStV8yPzJkyA== Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:10:22 +0000 Message-ID: <6e5d11fb30274932a442abae418fc49b@XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.65.67.50] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6e5d11fb30274932a442abae418fc49bXCHRCD018ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:10:26 -0000 --_000_6e5d11fb30274932a442abae418fc49bXCHRCD018ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, As a co-author of this draft , I am not aware of any IPR associated = with this draft. Thanks & Regards, Aditya Dogra (addogra) From: rtgwg > on beha= lf of Chris Bowers > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:44 AM To: RTGWG > Cc: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" > Subject: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p RTGWG, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an individual draft. Before conduct= ing a poll regarding working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to get r= esponses from the authors and contributors regarding any IPR related to thi= s draft. First, there is some history associated with this draft that is useful to d= ocument. In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was published based on the use of= point-to-point BFD by VRRP. In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-00 was published based= on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP. In October of 2015, after suggestions from the WG, the two drafts above wer= e merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02. In January of 2016, the following IPR was disclosed related to draft-nitish= -vrrp-bfd. https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd w= hen this IPR was disclosed. In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conducted regarding draft-nitish= -vrrp-bfd. There was not consensus to adopt the draft due to IPR concerns. See this e= mail for details. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtgwg/current/msg05729.html In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was published. In October of 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (= rev-01) was published. In December of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an minor update to draft-nit= ish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published. It is my understanding from discussions with the authors of these drafts, b= oth inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that draft-nitish-= vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separating the content of the mer= ged draft back into two separate drafts in such a way that the IPR disclose= d in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not apply to draft-nitish-= vrrp-bfd-p2p. Having documented that history, I would now like to conduct the usual RTGWG= process regarding IPR, specifically for IPR related to draft-nitish-vrrp-b= fd-p2p. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p/ If you are listed as an author or contributor to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p,= please respond to this email stating whether or not you are aware of any I= PR that applies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The response needs to be sent= to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage= until a response has been received from each author and each individual th= at has contributed to the document. Thanks, Chris --_000_6e5d11fb30274932a442abae418fc49bXCHRCD018ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

       As a co-author = of this draft , I am not aware of any IPR associated with this draft.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Aditya Dogra (addogra)

 

 

From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Chris Bowers <chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com>=

Date: Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:44 AM=

To: RTGWG <r= tgwg@ietf.org>

Cc: "rtg= -bfd@ietf.org" <rtg-bfd@iet= f.org>

Subject: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p

 

RTGWG,

draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an individ= ual draft.  Before conducting a poll regarding working group adoption = by RTGWG, I would like to get responses from the authors and contributors r= egarding any IPR related to this draft.

 

First, there is some history associated with this= draft that is useful to document.

 

In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was pub= lished based on the use of point-to-point BFD by VRRP.

 

In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-c= ase-00 was published based on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP.

 

In October of 2015, after suggestions from the WG= , the two drafts above were merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02.

 

In January of 2016, the following IPR was disclos= ed related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/

draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version = of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd when this IPR was disclosed.

 

In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conduc= ted regarding draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.

There was not consensus to adopt the draft due to= IPR concerns.  See this email for details.

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtgwg/cu= rrent/msg05729.html

 

In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 w= as published.

 

In October of 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsk= y-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (rev-01) was published.

 

In December of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an= minor update to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published.

 

It is my understanding from discussions with the = authors of these drafts, both inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at I= ETF100, that draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separat= ing the content of the merged draft back into two separate drafts in such a way that the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not apply to draft-nitish-v= rrp-bfd-p2p.

 

Having documented that history, I would now like = to conduct the usual RTGWG process regarding IPR, specifically for IPR rela= ted to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nitish-vrrp-b= fd-p2p/

 

If you are listed as an author or contributor to = draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p, please respond to this email stating whether or = not you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The= response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until = a response has been received from each author and each individual that has = contributed to the document.

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

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Regards, Greg On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Chris Bowers wrote: > RTGWG, > > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an individual draft. Before > conducting > a poll regarding working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to get > responses from > the authors and contributors regarding any IPR related to this draft. > > First, there is some history associated with this draft that is useful to > document. > > In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was published based on the use of > point-to-point BFD by VRRP. > > In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-00 was published > based on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP. > > In October of 2015, after suggestions from the WG, the two drafts above > were > merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02. > > In January of 2016, the following IPR was disclosed related to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd > when this IPR > was disclosed. > > In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conducted regarding > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. > There was not consensus to adopt the draft due to IPR concerns. See this > email for details. > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtgwg/current/msg05729.html > > In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was published. > > In October of 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case > (rev-01) was published. > > In December of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an minor update to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published. > > It is my understanding from discussions with the authors of these drafts, > both inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separating the > content > of the merged draft back into two separate drafts in such a way that > the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not > apply to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. > > Having documented that history, I would now like to conduct the usual > RTGWG process regarding IPR, specifically for IPR related to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p/ > > If you are listed as an author or contributor to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p, > please respond to this email stating whether or not you are aware of any > IPR that applies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The response needs to be > sent > to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage > until a response has been received from each author and each individual > that has contributed to the document. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > --001a1141ffb2b12354056056e857 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Chris, et. al,
as co-author I'm not aware of = any IPR that is applicable to the current version of=C2=A0draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.

Re= gards,
Greg
<= /div>

On Thu, Dec = 14, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Chris Bowers <chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
RTGWG,

draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an= individual draft.=C2=A0 Before conducting
a poll rega= rding working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to get responses from <= br>
the authors and contributors regarding any IPR rel= ated to this draft.

First, t= here is some history associated with this draft that is useful to document.=

In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was published based on the us= e of
point-to-point BFD= by VRRP.

In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-00 was p= ublished
based on the = use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP.

In October of 2015, after suggestions from the WG, the two dra= fts above were
merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-= 02.

= In January of 2016, = the following IPR was disclosed related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/
draft-nitish-vrrp-= bfd-02 was the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd when this IPR
was disclosed.

<= /div>
In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conducted regarding draft= -nitish-vrrp-bfd.
There was not consensus to adopt the= draft due to IPR concerns.=C2=A0 See this email for details.

=
In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was publishe= d.=C2=A0

In October of 2017, a new revision o= f draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (rev-01) was published.

In December of 2017 (yesterday = to be precise), an minor update to
draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was= published.

=
It is my understanding from discussions with the authors of these drafts,=
both inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at IET= F100, that
draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separa= ting the content
of the merged draft back into two sep= arate drafts in such a way that=C2=A0
the IPR dis= closed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not apply to
d= raft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.

=
Having documented that history, I would now like to conduct the usual
=
RTGWG process regarding IPR, specifically for IPR rel= ated to
draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.<= /div>


<= /font>
If you are listed as an author or contributor to draft-nitish= -vrrp-bfd-p2p,
please respond to this email stati= ng whether or not you are aware of any
IPR that app= lies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The response needs to be sent
to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the= next stage
until a response has been received from e= ach author and each individual
that has contribut= ed to the document.

Thanks,
Chris


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MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6e5d11fb30274932a442abae418fc49b@XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <6e5d11fb30274932a442abae418fc49b@XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com> From: Colin Docherty Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:24:45 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p To: "Aditya Dogra (addogra)" Cc: RTGWG , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11397b84c8df6d056061c373" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:25:02 -0000 --001a11397b84c8df6d056061c373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi All, As a co-author of this draft, I am not aware of any IPR associated with this draft. Many thanks, Colin Docherty ietf@doch.org.uk On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 00:11 Aditya Dogra (addogra) wrote: > Hi All, > > As a co-author of this draft , I am not aware of any IPR associated > with this draft. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Aditya Dogra (addogra) > > > > > > From: rtgwg on behalf of Chris Bowers < > chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com> > > Date: Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:44 AM > > To: RTGWG > > Cc: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" > > Subject: IPR call for draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p > > > > RTGWG, > > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p is currently an individual draft. Before > conducting a poll regarding working group adoption by RTGWG, I would like > to get responses from the authors and contributors regarding any IPR > related to this draft. > > > > First, there is some history associated with this draft that is useful to > document. > > > > In June of 2015, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-00 was published based on the use > of point-to-point BFD by VRRP. > > > > In July of 2015, draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-00 was published > based on the use of point-to-multipoint BFD by VRRP. > > > > In October of 2015, after suggestions from the WG, the two drafts above > were merged into draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02. > > > > In January of 2016, the following IPR was disclosed related to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ > > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 was the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd > when this IPR was disclosed. > > > > In October of 2016, a WG adoption poll was conducted regarding > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd. > > There was not consensus to adopt the draft due to IPR concerns. See this > email for details. > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtgwg/current/msg05729.html > > > > In August of 2017, draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was published. > > > > In October of 2017, a new revision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case > (rev-01) was published. > > > > In December of 2017 (yesterday to be precise), an minor update to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was published. > > > > It is my understanding from discussions with the authors of these drafts, > both inside and outside of the RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written with the goal of separating the > content of the merged draft back into two separate drafts in such a way > that the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not > apply to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. > > > > Having documented that history, I would now like to conduct the usual > RTGWG process regarding IPR, specifically for IPR related to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p/ > > > > If you are listed as an author or contributor to > draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p, please respond to this email stating whether or > not you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The > response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not > advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each > author and each individual that has contributed to the document. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > --001a11397b84c8df6d056061c373 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 As a co-author of th= is draft, I am not aware of any IPR associated with this draft.


Many thanks,

Colin Docherty

ietf@doch.org.uk



On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 00:11 Aditya Dogra (addogra) <= addogra@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi All,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 As a co-author = of this draft , I am not aware of any IPR associated with this draft.

=C2=A0

Thanks & Regards,

Aditya Dogra (addogra)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org= > on behalf of Chris Bowers <chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com>

Date: Thursday, December 14= , 2017 at 8:44 AM

To: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>=

Cc: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" <rtg-bfd@ietf.org><= /u>

Subject: IPR call for draft= -nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p

=C2=A0

RTGWG,

draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p i= s currently an individual draft.=C2=A0 Before conducting a poll regarding w= orking group adoption by RTGWG, I would like to get responses from the auth= ors and contributors regarding any IPR related to this draft.=

=C2=A0

First, there is some histor= y associated with this draft that is useful to document.

=C2=A0

In June of 2015, draft-niti= sh-vrrp-bfd-00 was published based on the use of point-to-point BFD by VRRP= .

=C2=A0

In July of 2015, draft-mirs= ky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case-00 was published based on the use of point-to-mul= tipoint BFD by VRRP.

=C2=A0

In October of 2015, after s= uggestions from the WG, the two drafts above were merged into draft-nitish-= vrrp-bfd-02.

=C2=A0

In January of 2016, the fol= lowing IPR was disclosed related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/= 2739/

draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-02 wa= s the current version of draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd when this IPR was disclosed.=

=C2=A0

In October of 2016, a WG ad= option poll was conducted regarding draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd.

There was not consensus to = adopt the draft due to IPR concerns.=C2=A0 See this email for details.

https:= //www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtgwg/current/msg05729.html

=C2=A0

In August of 2017, draft-ni= tish-vrrp-bfd-p2p-00 was published.

=C2=A0

In October of 2017, a new r= evision of draft-mirsky-bfd-p2mp-vrrp-use-case (rev-01) was published.

=C2=A0

In December of 2017 (yester= day to be precise), an minor update to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was publis= hed.

=C2=A0

It is my understanding from= discussions with the authors of these drafts, both inside and outside of t= he RTGWG sessions at IETF100, that draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p was written wi= th the goal of separating the content of the merged draft back into two separate drafts in such a way that the IPR disclosed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2739/ does not apply to draft-nitish-v= rrp-bfd-p2p.

=C2=A0

Having documented that hist= ory, I would now like to conduct the usual RTGWG process regarding IPR, spe= cifically for IPR related to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p.

=C2=A0

https://data= tracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p/

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an aut= hor or contributor to draft-nitish-vrrp-bfd-p2p, please respond to this ema= il stating whether or not you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ni= tish-vrrp-bfd-p2p. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until = a response has been received from each author and each individual that has = contributed to the document.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Chris

=C2=A0

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We have added some descriptions as you suggested, an= d posted an updated version of the draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-08. Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Dunbar [mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com] > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:25 PM > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp.all@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.or= g > Subject: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-= 07 >=20 >=20 > Reviewer: Linda Dunbar > Review result: Ready with Nits/Comments >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Revie= w > Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for= the > IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call co= mments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-07 > Reviewer: Linda Dunbar > Review Date: 2017-12-04 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-12-12 > IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-11 >=20 > Summary: >=20 > Major issues: None >=20 > Minor issues: None >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: It would be helpful to add description on why yo= u need > both Tracking Interface and Tracking network. Both of them have the same > description "to detect interface connectivity failures". What kind of > "connectivity failures" will be reported over the "Tracking Interface"? w= hat > connectivity failures will be reported to "Tracking Network"? >=20 > Thanks, Linda Dunbar >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Fri Dec 15 19:10:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE90E124D85; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:10:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3596440893_1943894131 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Yingzhen, =20 Thank you very much for running the WGLC, well done! =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 From: Yingzhen Qu Date: Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:19 To: Shraddha Hegde , RTGWG Cc: "rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-iet= f-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org" Subject: Re: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa Resent-From: Resent-To: , , , , Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:19:31 -0800 (PST) =20 Hi all, =20 The WG Last Call has completed. Publication of this draft will be requested= . =20 Thanks, Yingzhen =20 From: Shraddha Hegde Date: Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:55 PM To: Yingzhen Qu , RTGWG Cc: "rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-iet= f-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org" Subject: RE: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa =20 Hi, =20 I am not aware of any IPR other than the Juniper declared one. =20 Rgds Shraddha =20 From: Yingzhen Qu [mailto:yingzhen.qu@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 3:01 AM To: RTGWG Cc: rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@iet= f.org Subject: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa =20 Dear RTGWG, =20 The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihom= ed-prefix-lfa. Since both Jeff and Chris are author/contributor of this draf= t, I=E2=80=99ll be running the LC.=20 =20 There was consensus that document is ready for the last call and the author= s have resolved all the comments from shepherd review.=20 Please indicate support or no-support by December 18, 2017. =20 IPR: An IPR call has been done in October, all co-authors have responded except = Shraddha Hegde (please let me know if I overlooked your response).=20 If you are listed as a document author or contributor and haven=E2=80=99t respond= ed to the IPR call, please respond to this email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the d= ocument. =20 Thanks, Yingzhen =20 _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg =20 =20 --B_3596440893_1943894131 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Yingzhen,

 

Thank you very much for running the WGLC, well done!

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 =

From: Yingzhen Qu &= lt;yingzhen.qu@huawei.com>
Date: Monday, December 18, 2017 at 1= 1:19
To: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>, RTGWG <rt= gwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <r= tgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa= @ietf.org" <draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org>
<= b>Subject: Re: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa
R= esent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: <push= pasis.ietf@gmail.com>, <shraddha@juniper.net>, <uma.chunduri@hua= wei.com>, <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, <hannes@rtbrick.com>
= Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:19:31 -0800 (PST)<= /p>

 

Hi all,

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The WG Last Call has completed. Publication of this= draft will be requested.

 

Tha= nks,

Yingzhen

 

From: Shraddha Hegde <shrad= dha@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 8:55 PMTo: Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.qu@huawei.com>, RTGWG <rtgwg@iet= f.org>
Cc: "rtgwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <rtgwg-ch= airs@tools.ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.o= rg" <draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.org>
Subje= ct: RE: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa

 

Hi,

 

I am not = aware of any IPR other than the Juniper declared one.

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Rgds<= /p>

Shraddha

 

From: Ying= zhen Qu [mailto:yingzhen.qu@huawei.com]
Sent: Saturday, December = 2, 2017 3:01 AM
To: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: rtg= wg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa@ietf.orgSubject: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa

 

Dear RTGWG,

    <= o:p>

The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rt= gwg-multihomed-prefix-lfa. Since both Jeff and Chris are author/contributor = of this draft, I=E2=80=99ll be running the LC.

  &n= bsp; 

= There was consensus that document is ready fo= r the last call and the authors have resolved all the comments from shepherd= review. 

Please indicate support or no-support by = December 18, 2017.

 

IPR:

An IPR call has been done in October, all co-authors have res= ponded except Shraddha Hegde (please let me know if I overlooked your respon= se).

If you are listed as a document author or contribu= tor and haven=E2=80=99t responded to the IPR call, please respond to this

email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list.

The document will not advance to the next stage until a resp= onse has been

received from each author and each individ= ual that has contributed to the document.

 <= o:p>

Thanks,

Yingzhen

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--B_3596440893_1943894131-- From nobody Mon Dec 18 12:20:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930EA124239; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:20:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" Subject: Protocol Action: 'Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-09.txt) X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com, draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, rtgwg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151362842859.18463.17008750472951030675.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:20:28 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:20:28 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Micro-loop prevention by introducing a local convergence delay' (draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-09.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay/ Technical Summary Transient forwarding loops can occur among routers using hop-by-hop forwarding. This document describes a mechanism for link-state routing protocols to prevent local transient forwarding loops in case of link failure. This mechanism proposes a two-steps convergence by introducing a delay between the convergence of the router adjacent to the topology change and the network wide convergence. Working Group Summary The final version of the document has strong consensus in the WG. Input from the WG was incorporated in the document, which affected both the scope and substance of the document. Document Quality he document is of high quality. A Routing Area Directorate early review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-01 was done by Matthew Bocci. It noted mainly grammatical problems, as well as a requesting a few technical clarifications. draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay-03 addressed both the grammatical and technical clarifications from the review. As discussed in the document, the mechanism described has at least three implementation and has been deployed in live networks. 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Message-ID: <20171219210440.czop6xcuyvispknc@nic.fr> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 9.2 X-Kernel: Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64 x86_64 X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.005014, version=1.2.2 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.0.2142326, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2017.12.19.205416 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 21:04:44 -0000 On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 08:46:29PM +0000, Khaled Omar wrote a message of 14 lines which said: > I noticed that the IETF participants gives only negative comments > regarding the submitted IDs, that is good in some cases if it is > true, but to ignore the positive side Calvin Coolidge, a former US president, apparently said that the important job in the governement was not to promote good bills, but to kill bad ones. There are already many protocols and many RFC. Adding more is not a goal in itself. > It's been long time on the rtgwg mailing list and didn't have any > technical discussion or comments for KRP and NEP or even an official > review. The problem at the IETF is that most people are too polite to explain to you the truth. So, let me try: your proposals are worthless and do not deserve a serious discussion. Yes, I'm harsh, but this is because many persons already kindly explained the problem to you, and you apparently don't listen. So, I have to retry harder. 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From: Ladislav Lhotka To: rtgwg@ietf.org Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:56:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20171219210440.czop6xcuyvispknc@nic.fr> References: <20171219210440.czop6xcuyvispknc@nic.fr> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:56:18 -0000 On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 22:04 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 08:46:29PM +0000, > Khaled Omar wrote > a message of 14 lines which said: > > > I noticed that the IETF participants gives only negative comments > > regarding the submitted IDs, that is good in some cases if it is > > true, but to ignore the positive side > > Calvin Coolidge, a former US president, apparently said that the > important job in the governement was not to promote good bills, but to > kill bad ones. There are already many protocols and many RFC. Adding > more is not a goal in itself. > > > It's been long time on the rtgwg mailing list and didn't have any > > technical discussion or comments for KRP and NEP or even an official > > review. > > The problem at the IETF is that most people are too polite to explain > to you the truth. So, let me try: your proposals are worthless and do > not deserve a serious discussion. Yes, I'm harsh, but this is because > many persons already kindly explained the problem to you, and you > apparently don't listen. So, I have to retry harder. You didn't expect it would help, did you? :-) One could sit back, observe this and have fun, but it is worth considering that such proposals may have unwelcome side effects. In September, a popular Czech online journal published a short article starting with a sentence like "The new IPv10 protocol is intended to solve the problems of IPv4 and still little-used IPv6." Quite naturally, the discussion exploded with reactions like "Is the IETF kidding us?", "How could the IETF do something so stupid?" A few people including myself tried to explain that an individual draft really means nothing but apparently general technological public gives the IETF documents more weight than they sometimes deserve. Perhaps some kind of elementary sanity filter on individual drafts would be useful. Lada > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: From nobody Wed Dec 20 03:13:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2850412421A; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 03:13:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zu-KQpVyH3-D; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 03:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0050B1200F3; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 03:13:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3207; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1513768406; x=1514978006; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dj/W5DllIbXpurgxm+tVmGgnA13ZFEz8N4twzP84V1A=; b=erbo2O6K7Qx9lxpk6xmSeWQmUoRZes5bqBWuQxrcthKPX7czz0bFJ7ZN Uyi0z5HbHvGK3Z+g2OKhkaP2kd2mZKStWgLriDo157HLTdIsd1Espy0UC lUUjEnRqT837McCpyeswzQTnCbNrxNnDSbU4RgpdKtXTjYtJmO3Q/+AdM E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DqAQAnRTpa/xbLJq1bGgEBAQEBAgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEIAQEBAYQkdCeEBosVkB2ZOgoYC4UYAoVVFAEBAQEBAQEBAWsohSQBAQEDAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?hDwEFMgEDCxALDgoCAiYCAicwBg0GAgEBEAeKEBCkZIInimwBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEYBYEPgnCDaIISC4JCNoMvAYFHgz2CYwWSHJEolS6MGIdfjna?= =?us-ascii?q?IBYE7NiKBTzIaCBsVPIIphFdBN4gdgkkBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.45,431,1508803200"; d="scan'208";a="997028" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 20 Dec 2017 11:13:24 +0000 Received: from [10.63.23.84] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-84.cisco.com [10.63.23.84]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vBKBDNcW007999; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:13:23 GMT Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? To: Khaled Omar Cc: ietf , rtgwg References: From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:13:23 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:13:28 -0000 Hi Khaled, As a relative newcomer to IETF, I can perhaps give two (hopefully positive) suggestions (sorry, none of which is technical): (1) From taking a very quick look at your drafts, it may be helpful to have three sections at the top of the drafts that answer these 3 questions (before you describe the new protocols):   i) What is the problem that the draft is solving?   ii) Why the problem cannot be cleanly solved with existing protocols/technology (which would normally be much cheaper than designing a new protocol)?   iii) How does the new protocol/technology solves the problem? I.e. I think that you need to first convince the community that there is a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking at a solution. (2) In my brief experience, it is as important to build consensus, as it is to write good clear drafts.  E.g. attend IETF, meet the key folks in the WGs (e.g. WG chairs and the main/frequent presenters in the WGs), present your ideas (but again, for a presentation, I would focus on just the 3 questions above), try and get other individuals in different companies/organizations that align with your approach (and who would be willing to put their name on your draft(s)).  If you have vendors implementing these protocols, and ISPs deploying them, then that is also a big help.  If you can show that you have a deep technical understanding of the existing protocols that you intend to replace, along with any limitations that they have, then that will also help. But at the moment, from a very quick look at your drafts, it is unclear to me why we need another new version of the IP protocol, need to replace BGP with a new EGP and design a new IGP.  I suspect that the cost to the industry to develop, standardize, and roll out these new protocols (including new forwarding ASICs, etc) would end up being in the billions of dollars.  So I'm afraid that you need to find an extremely compelling reason as to why this is required, and hence why folk should invest their limited time in these protocols. I hope that this feedback is helpful. Kind regards, Rob On 19/12/2017 20:46, Khaled Omar wrote: > Hi all, > > I noticed that the IETF participants gives only negative comments regarding the submitted IDs, that is good in some cases if it is true, but to ignore the positive side and the added values on every draft is something that should be changed, I always aim to find a true technical discussion on the mailing list to add something new or to correct something wrong with confidence. > > It's been long time on the rtgwg mailing list and didn't have any technical discussion or comments for KRP and NEP or even an official review. > > I believe that the IETF participants can show alot from their expertise to add, modify, or delete something from an existing draft. > > Of course there are all kind of people at the IETF and some of them may be interested and can make a decision. > > Thanks, > > Khaled > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > . > From nobody Wed Dec 20 03:19:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB037127337; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 03:19:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mpmazCqKgc-t; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 03:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 113C51200F3; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 03:19:13 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-d31ff70000006bc7-7b-5a3a472f8071 Received: from ESESSHC014.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.60]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 18.AE.27591.F274A3A5; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:19:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB109.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.206]) by ESESSHC014.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.60]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:19:10 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Robert Wilton , Khaled Omar CC: ietf , rtgwg Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? 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I think that you need to first convince the community that there is >a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking at a >solution. Also, I think the Introduction section of the draft should answer (at least on a high-level) the 3 questions above, so that people don=B9t have t= o read through the draft just to figure out the answers. 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To: Khaled Omar Cc: ietf , rtgwg References: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <044c5918-f2c0-5a45-ae5e-4b2875512fab@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:37:14 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8D184805B575513A02614A1B" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:37:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8D184805B575513A02614A1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 20/12/2017 11:27, Khaled Omar wrote: > Hi Robert, > > It is true, i'll address these questions and will replace the existing > text with a clear introduction about a comparison between KRP and BGP > and between NEP and other IGPs so it can provide a brief description > about the drafts. > > Will be appreciated if you read the full drafts and have a technical > discussion if you are interested. I'm really sorry, but not really.  Alas, I'm not one of the routing experts that you are looking for! I've given some quick comments form my cursory review: - It seems that the IPv10 draft has already been discussed/dismissed so I've not spent time on that one. KRP draft:  - (Not technical) Naming the protocol after yourself is probably not doing yourself any favours, sorry, but it makes you come across as arrogant or naive.  - I don't agree that this is solving a real problem.  - How is this solution superior to standard hierarchical addressing in IPv4/v6?  - This isn't just a routing protocol, but also has its own forwarding plane.  Normally, I would suggest splitting the two of these up, and perhaps reuse one of the existing forwarding planes. - This draft seems to be incredible short, and doesn't seem to describe a fully thought out solution. NEP draft:  - I have no idea what problem this is trying to solve.  - Why can't OSPF, ISIS, or one of the other IGPs be used instead? - This draft seems to be incredible short, and doesn't seem to describe a full solution. But I suspect that Stephane's comment, although direct, is probably to the point.  From my limitation knowledge of routing protocols, then I do not think that the drafts that you are proposing introduce significant new ideas that the routing protocol experts haven't thought of before.  Possibly folks might spend more time on these drafts if it was clear that you are an expert in routing protocols, but alas that is not how the existing drafts come across. To give a comparative example, at the last IETF there was a BOF on DC routing with 2 main solutions presented, and (IIRC) 3 other solutions.  All of these 5 competing solutions seemed to be backed by experts in their field (most of whom I recognized from attending previous IETFs). I was particularly impressed by Tony's presentation on RIFT (a proposed brand new DC routing protocol).  His presentation made it clear on what problem was being solved, why he considered that a new protocol is appropriate, and what advantages a new protocol has. Added to that, I had met Tony in person and he came across as someone whom clearly knows what he is talking about, he has produced 10 RFCs spanning 17+ years , has 15 active drafts, etc.  The draft is also backed by other people that I know/respect (one of them representing an ISP). Hence may I also suggest that you try and get involved helping in some of the WGs that specialize in the existing protocols first, before you try and convince everyone that they are doing it all wrong and you have thought of a better solution. Kind regards, Rob > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? > From: Robert Wilton > To: Khaled Omar > CC: ietf ,rtgwg > > > Hi Khaled, > > As a relative newcomer to IETF, I can perhaps give two (hopefully > positive) suggestions (sorry, none of which is technical): > > (1) From taking a very quick look at your drafts, it may be > helpful to > have three sections at the top of the drafts that answer these 3 > questions (before you describe the new protocols): >   i) What is the problem that the draft is solving? >   ii) Why the problem cannot be cleanly solved with existing > protocols/technology (which would normally be much cheaper than > designing a new protocol)? >   iii) How does the new protocol/technology solves the problem? > > I.e. I think that you need to first convince the community that > there is > a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking > at a > solution. > > (2) In my brief experience, it is as important to build consensus, > as it > is to write good clear drafts.  E.g. attend IETF, meet the key > folks in > the WGs (e.g. WG chairs and the main/frequent presenters in the WGs), > present your ideas (but again, for a presentation, I would focus > on just > the 3 questions above), try and get other individuals in different > companies/organizations that align with your approach (and who > would be > willing to put their name on your draft(s)).  If you have vendors > implementing these protocols, and ISPs deploying them, then that > is also > a big help.  If you can show that you have a deep technical > understanding of the existing protocols that you intend to replace, > along with any limitations that they have, then that will also help. > > But at the moment, from a very quick look at your drafts, it is > unclear > to me why we need another new version of the IP protocol, need to > replace BGP with a new EGP and design a new IGP.  I suspect that the > cost to the industry to develop, standardize, and roll out these new > protocols (including new forwarding ASICs, etc) would end up being in > the billions of dollars.  So I'm afraid that you need to find an > extremely compelling reason as to why this is required, and hence why > folk should invest their limited time in these protocols. > > I hope that this feedback is helpful. > > Kind regards, > Rob > > > On 19/12/2017 20:46, Khaled Omar wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I noticed that the IETF participants gives only negative > comments regarding the submitted IDs, that is good in some cases > if it is true, but to ignore the positive side and the added > values on every draft is something that should be changed, I > always aim to find a true technical discussion on the mailing list > to add something new or to correct something wrong with confidence. > > > > It's been long time on the rtgwg mailing list and didn't have > any technical discussion or comments for KRP and NEP or even an > official review. > > > > I believe that the IETF participants can show alot from their > expertise to add, modify, or delete something from an existing draft. > > > > Of course there are all kind of people at the IETF and some of > them may be interested and can make a decision. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Khaled > > _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > . > > > --------------8D184805B575513A02614A1B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



On 20/12/2017 11:27, Khaled Omar wrote:
Hi Robert,

It is true, i'll address these questions and will replace the existing text with a clear introduction about a comparison between KRP and BGP and between NEP and other IGPs so it can provide a brief description about the drafts.

Will be appreciated if you read the full drafts and have a technical discussion if you are interested.
I'm really sorry, but not really.  Alas, I'm not one of the routing experts that you are looking for!

I've given some quick comments form my cursory review:

- It seems that the IPv10 draft has already been discussed/dismissed so I've not spent time on that one.

KRP draft:
 - (Not technical) Naming the protocol after yourself is probably not doing yourself any favours, sorry, but it makes you come across as arrogant or naive.
 - I don't agree that this is solving a real problem.
 - How is this solution superior to standard hierarchical addressing in IPv4/v6?
 - This isn't just a routing protocol, but also has its own forwarding plane.  Normally, I would suggest splitting the two of these up, and perhaps reuse one of the existing forwarding planes.
- This draft seems to be incredible short, and doesn't seem to describe a fully thought out solution.

NEP draft:
 - I have no idea what problem this is trying to solve.
 - Why can't OSPF, ISIS, or one of the other IGPs be used instead?
- This draft seems to be incredible short, and doesn't seem to describe a full solution.

But I suspect that Stephane's comment, although direct, is probably to the point.  From my limitation knowledge of routing protocols, then I do not think that the drafts that you are proposing introduce significant new ideas that the routing protocol experts haven't thought of before.  Possibly folks might spend more time on these drafts if it was clear that you are an expert in routing protocols, but alas that is not how the existing drafts come across.

To give a comparative example, at the last IETF there was a BOF on DC routing with 2 main solutions presented, and (IIRC) 3 other solutions.  All of these 5 competing solutions seemed to be backed by experts in their field (most of whom I recognized from attending previous IETFs).

I was particularly impressed by Tony's presentation on RIFT (a proposed brand new DC routing protocol).  His presentation made it clear on what problem was being solved, why he considered that a new protocol is appropriate, and what advantages a new protocol has.  Added to that, I had met Tony in person and he came across as someone whom clearly knows what he is talking about, he has produced 10 RFCs spanning 17+ years , has 15 active drafts, etc.  The draft is also backed by other people that I know/respect (one of them representing an ISP).

Hence may I also suggest that you try and get involved helping in some of the WGs that specialize in the existing protocols first, before you try and convince everyone that they are doing it all wrong and you have thought of a better solution.

Kind regards,
Rob




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously?
From: Robert Wilton
To: Khaled Omar
CC: ietf ,rtgwg


Hi Khaled,

As a relative newcomer to IETF, I can perhaps give two (hopefully
positive) suggestions (sorry, none of which is technical):

(1) From taking a very quick look at your drafts, it may be helpful to
have three sections at the top of the drafts that answer these 3
questions (before you describe the new protocols):
  i) What is the problem that the draft is solving?
  ii) Why the problem cannot be cleanly solved with existing
protocols/technology (which would normally be much cheaper than
designing a new protocol)?
  iii) How does the new protocol/technology solves the problem?

I.e. I think that you need to first convince the community that there is
a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking at a
solution.

(2) In my brief experience, it is as important to build consensus, as it
is to write good clear drafts.  E.g. attend IETF, meet the key folks in
the WGs (e.g. WG chairs and the main/frequent presenters in the WGs),
present your ideas (but again, for a presentation, I would focus on just
the 3 questions above), try and get other individuals in different
companies/organizations that align with your approach (and who would be
willing to put their name on your draft(s)).  If you have vendors
implementing these protocols, and ISPs deploying them, then that is also
a big help.  If you can show that you have a deep technical
understanding of the existing protocols that you intend to replace,
along with any limitations that they have, then that will also help.

But at the moment, from a very quick look at your drafts, it is unclear
to me why we need another new version of the IP protocol, need to
replace BGP with a new EGP and design a new IGP.  I suspect that the
cost to the industry to develop, standardize, and roll out these new
protocols (including new forwarding ASICs, etc) would end up being in
the billions of dollars.  So I'm afraid that you need to find an
extremely compelling reason as to why this is required, and hence why
folk should invest their limited time in these protocols.

I hope that this feedback is helpful.

Kind regards,
Rob


On 19/12/2017 20:46, Khaled Omar wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I noticed that the IETF participants gives only negative comments regarding the submitted IDs, that is good in some cases if it is true, but to ignore the positive side and the added values on every draft is something that should be changed, I always aim to find a true technical discussion on the mailing list to add something new or to correct something wrong with confidence.
>
> It's been long time on the rtgwg mailing list and didn't have any technical discussion or comments for KRP and NEP or even an official review.
>
> I believe that the IETF participants can show alot from their expertise to add, modify, or delete something from an existing draft.
>
> Of course there are all kind of people at the IETF and some of them may be interested and can make a decision.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Khaled
> _______________________________________________
> rtgwg mailing list
> rtgwg@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg
> .
>


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Thread-Topic: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Thread-Index: AQHTeQpxL62Qror8QkyB91Q7VFl5xaNMaNWAgAABn4D//9VikA== Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:55:29 +0000 Message-ID: References: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.65.160.252] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:55:34 -0000 IMHO a draft that identifies the current problems separate from the draft t= hat proposes solutions is probably the best way forward. Then the discussio= n can first take place around reaching a consensus that there is a problem(= s) that needs solving and isn't already addressed by existing work.=20 Such drafts describing the problem and requirements for a solution are what= is usually requested from 3GPP when 3GPP identify that some additional enh= ancements are required. For significant work a step wise approach is requir= ed to get to the final solution and the community has to be first convinced= that there is a problem that is worth solving. If there is consensus that there are problems to solve then it can be deter= mined whether a solution can be achieved by small enhancements to existing = protocols or whether a totally new protocol is needed and which WG should b= e assigned such work or whether a BOF is needed to establish a new WG to do= the work. Only then should there be major discussion on the technical solu= tion(s). Andrew -----Original Message----- From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:19 AM To: Robert Wilton ; Khaled Omar Cc: ietf ; rtgwg Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Hi, >As a relative newcomer to IETF, I can perhaps give two (hopefully >positive) suggestions (sorry, none of which is technical): > >(1) From taking a very quick look at your drafts, it may be helpful to=20 >have three sections at the top of the drafts that answer these 3=20 >questions (before you describe the new protocols): > i) What is the problem that the draft is solving? > ii) Why the problem cannot be cleanly solved with existing=20 >protocols/technology (which would normally be much cheaper than=20 >designing a new protocol)? > iii) How does the new protocol/technology solves the problem? > >I.e. I think that you need to first convince the community that there=20 >is a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking=20 >at a solution. Also, I think the Introduction section of the draft should answer (at least= on a high-level) the 3 questions above, so that people don=B9t have to rea= d through the draft just to figure out the answers. 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Only then should there be major discussion on the technical so= lution(s). I agree with that. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Allen [mailto:aallen@blackberry.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 3:55 PM To: Christer Holmberg; Robert Wilton; Khaled Omar Cc: ietf; rtgwg Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? IMHO a draft that identifies the current problems separate from the draft t= hat proposes solutions is probably the best way forward. Then the discussio= n can first take place around reaching a consensus that there is a problem(= s) that needs solving and isn't already addressed by existing work.=20 Such drafts describing the problem and requirements for a solution are what= is usually requested from 3GPP when 3GPP identify that some additional enh= ancements are required. For significant work a step wise approach is requir= ed to get to the final solution and the community has to be first convinced= that there is a problem that is worth solving. If there is consensus that there are problems to solve then it can be deter= mined whether a solution can be achieved by small enhancements to existing = protocols or whether a totally new protocol is needed and which WG should b= e assigned such work or whether a BOF is needed to establish a new WG to do= the work. Only then should there be major discussion on the technical solu= tion(s). Andrew -----Original Message----- From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:19 AM To: Robert Wilton ; Khaled Omar Cc: ietf ; rtgwg Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Hi, >As a relative newcomer to IETF, I can perhaps give two (hopefully >positive) suggestions (sorry, none of which is technical): > >(1) From taking a very quick look at your drafts, it may be helpful to=20 >have three sections at the top of the drafts that answer these 3=20 >questions (before you describe the new protocols): > i) What is the problem that the draft is solving? > ii) Why the problem cannot be cleanly solved with existing=20 >protocols/technology (which would normally be much cheaper than=20 >designing a new protocol)? > iii) How does the new protocol/technology solves the problem? > >I.e. I think that you need to first convince the community that there=20 >is a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking=20 >at a solution. Also, I think the Introduction section of the draft should answer (at least= on a high-level) the 3 questions above, so that people don=B9t have to rea= d through the draft just to figure out the answers. Regards, Christer From nobody Wed Dec 20 06:19:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DD1126C19; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:18:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3l7sC6Fmm1jG; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-p02.blackberry.com (smtp-p02.blackberry.com [208.65.78.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 511DF126579; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) X-Spoof: Received: from xct101cnc.rim.net ([10.65.161.201]) by mhs215cnc.rim.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 20 Dec 2017 09:18:55 -0500 Received: from XMB122CNC.rim.net ([fe80::28c6:fa1c:91c6:2e23]) by XCT101CNC.rim.net ([fe80::9c22:d9c:c906:c488%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:18:54 -0500 From: Andrew Allen To: Khaled Omar , Christer Holmberg , Robert Wilton CC: ietf , rtgwg Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Thread-Topic: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Thread-Index: AQHTeQpxL62Qror8QkyB91Q7VFl5xaNMaNWAgAABn4D//9VikIAAW+qA//+seNA= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:18:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.65.160.252] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:18:58 -0000 So I think your first task is to write a draft that clearly explains the pr= oblems and the requirements to solve those problems without addressing the = specifics of the solutions you envision and then achieve consensus on the p= roblems and requirements. -----Original Message----- From: Khaled Omar [mailto:eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:16 AM To: Andrew Allen ; Christer Holmberg ; Robert Wilton Cc: ietf ; rtgwg Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? > If there is consensus that there are problems to solve then it can be det= ermined whether a solution can be achieved by small enhancements to existin= g protocols or whether a totally new protocol is needed and which WG should= be assigned such work or whether a BOF is needed to establish a new WG to = do the work. Only then should there be major discussion on the technical so= lution(s). I agree with that. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Allen [mailto:aallen@blackberry.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 3:55 PM To: Christer Holmberg; Robert Wilton; Khaled Omar Cc: ietf; rtgwg Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? IMHO a draft that identifies the current problems separate from the draft t= hat proposes solutions is probably the best way forward. Then the discussio= n can first take place around reaching a consensus that there is a problem(= s) that needs solving and isn't already addressed by existing work.=20 Such drafts describing the problem and requirements for a solution are what= is usually requested from 3GPP when 3GPP identify that some additional enh= ancements are required. For significant work a step wise approach is requir= ed to get to the final solution and the community has to be first convinced= that there is a problem that is worth solving. If there is consensus that there are problems to solve then it can be deter= mined whether a solution can be achieved by small enhancements to existing = protocols or whether a totally new protocol is needed and which WG should b= e assigned such work or whether a BOF is needed to establish a new WG to do= the work. Only then should there be major discussion on the technical solu= tion(s). Andrew -----Original Message----- From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:19 AM To: Robert Wilton ; Khaled Omar Cc: ietf ; rtgwg Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Hi, >As a relative newcomer to IETF, I can perhaps give two (hopefully >positive) suggestions (sorry, none of which is technical): > >(1) From taking a very quick look at your drafts, it may be helpful to=20 >have three sections at the top of the drafts that answer these 3=20 >questions (before you describe the new protocols): > i) What is the problem that the draft is solving? > ii) Why the problem cannot be cleanly solved with existing=20 >protocols/technology (which would normally be much cheaper than=20 >designing a new protocol)? > iii) How does the new protocol/technology solves the problem? > >I.e. I think that you need to first convince the community that there=20 >is a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking=20 >at a solution. Also, I think the Introduction section of the draft should answer (at least= on a high-level) the 3 questions above, so that people don=B9t have to rea= d through the draft just to figure out the answers. 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So I think your first task is to write a draft that clearly explains the pr= oblems and the requirements to solve those problems without addressing the = specifics of the solutions you envision and then achieve consensus on the p= roblems and requirements. -----Original Message----- From: Khaled Omar [mailto:eng.khaled.omar@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:16 AM To: Andrew Allen ; Christer Holmberg ; Robert Wilton Cc: ietf ; rtgwg Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? > If there is consensus that there are problems to solve then it can be det= ermined whether a solution can be achieved by small enhancements to existin= g protocols or whether a totally new protocol is needed and which WG should= be assigned such work or whether a BOF is needed to establish a new WG to = do the work. Only then should there be major discussion on the technical so= lution(s). I agree with that. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Allen [mailto:aallen@blackberry.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 3:55 PM To: Christer Holmberg; Robert Wilton; Khaled Omar Cc: ietf; rtgwg Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? IMHO a draft that identifies the current problems separate from the draft t= hat proposes solutions is probably the best way forward. Then the discussio= n can first take place around reaching a consensus that there is a problem(= s) that needs solving and isn't already addressed by existing work.=20 Such drafts describing the problem and requirements for a solution are what= is usually requested from 3GPP when 3GPP identify that some additional enh= ancements are required. For significant work a step wise approach is requir= ed to get to the final solution and the community has to be first convinced= that there is a problem that is worth solving. If there is consensus that there are problems to solve then it can be deter= mined whether a solution can be achieved by small enhancements to existing = protocols or whether a totally new protocol is needed and which WG should b= e assigned such work or whether a BOF is needed to establish a new WG to do= the work. Only then should there be major discussion on the technical solu= tion(s). Andrew -----Original Message----- From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:19 AM To: Robert Wilton ; Khaled Omar Cc: ietf ; rtgwg Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Hi, >As a relative newcomer to IETF, I can perhaps give two (hopefully >positive) suggestions (sorry, none of which is technical): > >(1) From taking a very quick look at your drafts, it may be helpful to=20 >have three sections at the top of the drafts that answer these 3=20 >questions (before you describe the new protocols): > i) What is the problem that the draft is solving? > ii) Why the problem cannot be cleanly solved with existing=20 >protocols/technology (which would normally be much cheaper than=20 >designing a new protocol)? > iii) How does the new protocol/technology solves the problem? > >I.e. I think that you need to first convince the community that there=20 >is a problem to be solved, before they will invest their time looking=20 >at a solution. Also, I think the Introduction section of the draft should answer (at least= on a high-level) the 3 questions above, so that people don=B9t have to rea= d through the draft just to figure out the answers. 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From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:06:33 -0500 Cc: ietf , rtgwg Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <60324BD8-E91D-49C7-9AE6-C6E22C836AC8@fugue.com> References: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> To: Khaled Omar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:06:41 -0000 On Dec 20, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Andrew Allen wrote: > So I think your first task is to write a draft that clearly explains = the problems and the requirements to solve those problems without = addressing the specifics of the solutions you envision and then achieve = consensus on the problems and requirements. I think actually the first task is to meditate on the question of how = what I am thinking of doing will benefit the IETF and the IETF's = constituents, and how it will benefit me. The second part is = important, because it helps to put things in perspective. If you find = during this meditation that you can think of lots of reasons why the = work will benefit me, and aren't able to come up with reasons why it = will benefit the IETF or the IETF's constituents, then you need to = meditate some more. Of course, knowing what will benefit the IETF and the IETF's = constituents is a hard problem; it's hard even to know who the IETF is = or who its constituents are. If you find that you are kiting a lot of = proposals that aren't getting a positive reception from the IETF, = there's a good chance that your model of who the IETF is and who its = constituents are doesn't agree with the IETF participants who have = reacted inhospitably to your proposal. So the goal of the meditation isn't really to know the answers to the = questions you are meditating on. It's just to familiarize yourself = with your own thinking about your relationship to the IETF, so that you = can start to notice places where this thinking does not match reality. = As you repeat this process over time, if you do it with an open and = skeptical mind, you will probably find yourself more able to come up = with ideas that people are interested in and want to work with you on. Another very valuable thing to do is just sit and listen to people talk = about problems in the IETF, and then see if you can come up with a = small, narrowly scoped proposal that will help to solve one of those = problems. Or even an insight you can share on the mailing list that = helps to better focus the discussion. Like the meditation I suggested, if you do this for an extended period = of time (years), you will eventually have the credibility that is = required to do something more ambitious and broadly scoped. Starting = at the beginning with a redesign of the architecture of the Internet is = the exact opposite of this approach, and it's why you are experiencing = so much resistance. It's not that the problem isn't interesting=E2=80=94i= t's that you are building a castle on a foundation of sand. From nobody Wed Dec 20 23:24:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C905E1274D2; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:24:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roni Even To: Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip.all@ietf.org Subject: Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-07 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151384104876.12916.3604252258987354065@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:24:08 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:24:09 -0000 Reviewer: Roni Even Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. 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Reviewer: Roni Even Review Date: 2017-12-20 IETF LC End Date: 2017-12-12 IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-11 Summary: The document is ready for publication as a standard track RFC Major issues: Minor issues: Nits/editorial comments: From nobody Thu Dec 21 01:21:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E39126DFF; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:21:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.029 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.029 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=outlook.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SSwaosf058pr; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from EUR02-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092068047.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.68.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6B7D1200FC; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:21:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=td3kG6415tfCWy05bjluNFITZ6hkVvwkh6AlasTiUGs=; b=u3F+0IVllnGrxq/tJW+tTIqodOjxI8ms+FmiSAfG/7ZFEoLM2jvwC+GM7MlobKFCrLFbZ42LB3Se+pRUKQvGNSj9A08WAixikFhPmBg1Tv1r/M/SfFvJxKgcii9q9yxANBYsrJB9HGqSzk3YIWIayDlc4Y8si+izJQFf20zZVAbkSi5PgPgpyCcyQb2u8eTS4r8Wf6tiNbiMuBK/OWMvQn5hlURdPYqr3L+15acn1IBbHFJwQHIwdYYyH6FOn6OZ3/xxAEW/k8r9uL5eZDg2FXNyKnvKyyb+Ptoi4sKp2DnHX3SVAYjKdfoeuIKs1685eK9t+tnSiPqaO/WI+Zs3pw== Received: from VE1EUR02FT029.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.12.55) by VE1EUR02HT223.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.13.190) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.302.6; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:21:10 +0000 Received: from AM5P190MB0434.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (10.152.12.52) by VE1EUR02FT029.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.12.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.302.6 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:21:10 +0000 Received: from AM5P190MB0434.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::9da6:f2cc:77f7:7b03]) by AM5P190MB0434.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::9da6:f2cc:77f7:7b03%13]) with mapi id 15.20.0345.013; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:21:10 +0000 From: Khaled Omar To: Ted Lemon CC: ietf , rtgwg Subject: RE: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? 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Two these have been superseded (the I-D itself is out-of-date with regard to this as well). Is the announcement still valid? Just asking. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "The IESG" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:31 PM > The IESG has received a request from the Routing Area Working Group WG > (rtgwg) to consider the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for Virtual > Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP)' > as Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-12-12. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of > the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > > This document describes a data model for Virtual Router Redundancy > Protocol (VRRP). 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To: Khaled Omar Cc: Ted Lemon , ietf , rtgwg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045fa578ba76d00560da52d3" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:14:54 -0000 --f403045fa578ba76d00560da52d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On 21 December 2017 at 09:21, Khaled Omar wrote: > > Another very valuable thing to do is just sit and listen to people talk > about problems in the IETF, and then see if you can come up with a small, > narrowly scoped proposal that will help to solve one of those problems. > Or even an insight you can share on the mailing list that helps to better > focus the discussion. > > As I said before, I don't mind to join a discussion if the topic is > interesting and its information is clear, but I was tired of asking for > technical discussion so it will take the drafts forward. > Stephane was right. You just do not listen. You have already been offered a mountain of good quality advice, based on hundreds of man-years of experience, but choose to remain as self-centred as ever. However, one important personal consideration has not yet been addressed. You should be aware that all IETF mailing list traffic is archived and publicly accessible. This record of your character and behaviour toward others is much more revealing than anything achievable in a recruitment interview. This could inflict serious damage on your career prospects. --f403045fa578ba76d00560da52d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 21 December 2017 at 09:21, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlo= ok.com> wrote:
> A= nother very valuable thing to do is just sit and listen to people talk abou= t problems in the IETF, and then see if you can come up with a small, narro= wly scoped proposal that will help to solve one of those problems.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Or even an insight you can share on the mailing list that helps to be= tter focus the discussion.

As I said before, I don't mind to join a discussion if the topic= is interesting and its information is clear, but I was tired of asking for= technical discussion so it will take the drafts forward.
<= div>=C2=A0

Stephane was right. You just do not lis= ten.

You have already been offered a mountain of go= od quality advice, based on hundreds of man-years of experience, but choose= to remain as self-centred as ever.

However, one important personal consideration has not yet been= addressed.

You should = be aware that all IETF mailing list traffic is archived and publicly access= ible. This record of your character and behaviour toward others is much mor= e revealing than anything achievable in a recruitment interview.=C2=A0 This= could inflict serious damage on your career prospects.

=
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:22:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: ietf , rtgwg To: Khaled Omar References: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> <60324BD8-E91D-49C7-9AE6-C6E22C836AC8@fugue.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:22:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_832E9EDD-7275-4605-967A-B026384FF146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Dec 21, 2017, at 4:21 AM, Khaled Omar = wrote: > As I said before, I don't mind to join a discussion if the topic is = interesting and its information is clear, but I was tired of asking for = technical discussion so it will take the drafts forward. You haven't quite heard what I've said. What I've said is that you = need to start joining in discussions where what is being discussed isn't = your draft. You need to approach those discussions with an attitude of = finding some way to be helpful, not as a way of promoting your = interests. If you come to the IETF to promote your interests, you're = not going to be very effective. You are not being singled out = here=E2=80=94people come to the IETF all the time with self-interested = motivations; sometimes they manage to get something they wanted out of = the process, but it's always a struggle. --Apple-Mail=_832E9EDD-7275-4605-967A-B026384FF146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On = Dec 21, 2017, at 4:21 AM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> wrote:
As I said before, I don't mind to join a = discussion if the topic is interesting and its information is clear, but = I was tired of asking for technical discussion so it will take the = drafts forward.

You haven't quite heard what I've said.   What I've said = is that you need to start joining in discussions where what is being = discussed isn't your draft.   You need to = approach those discussions with an attitude of finding some way to be = helpful, not as a way of promoting your interests.   If you come to = the IETF to promote your interests, you're not going to be very = effective.   You are not being singled out here=E2=80=94people come = to the IETF all the time with self-interested motivations; sometimes = they manage to get something they wanted out of the process, but it's = always a struggle.

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tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aj41ZemzIptj; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AC3D124217; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eS3Cz-000G6O-60; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:56:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:56:27 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Khaled Omar cc: ietf , rtgwg Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? Message-ID: <1F3AC01AA49DD3BE543CCB9E@PSB> In-Reply-To: References: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> <60324BD8-E91D-49C7-9AE6-C6E22C836AC8@fugue.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:56:37 -0000 Folks, May I suggest that we wind this discussion thread down. Whether correct or not, analyses of Khaled's character are probably not helpful and repetitive versions of them are less so. The S/N ratio on the IETF list is never wonderful and this thread should not contribute to making it worse. At least IMO, Khaled has been given a number of quite constructive suggestions (both on-list and off) about how to proceed if he wants to do so. Almost all of them include focusing on a problem statement and/or a careful and reflect literature review and analysis, but, if he wants to make progress, he needs to understand the details of those suggestions. Let's give him time to do that and see what, in the form of a draft focused on those topics, he comes up with and, in the process, try to reserve judgment about intentions, quality of listening, etc. best, john From nobody Thu Dec 21 08:38:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5502126CD6; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:38:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwJ0YRF6hU9p; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x22c.google.com (mail-vk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22196120727; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id p144so4958690vke.11; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:38:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Ee5g+bGxE54gFXit/KIUqR9he93L7hCSwTwY6EGWWWg=; b=k4TkC9L0cO7d3u3S1WsRep3rk8QA3jjKQQZHj51LvpBcy/ah/YUEgYNcJ+JSdPQyFL vO2znvOXg7OESJVIh9fmdD9Qd9wfLyT5LJNqYExn9NWDZZQvHnQ7AR2ftUQL0NFKIdHY TLZ8MurZegiE1jM04TqxJ3oTQwE2katAjpm+woxRU43cVksKJn5SUyiZ8KZU0GfCrO8i 33VTjsO+qgBdZ5KRPMnifsSvO9bB/yqNmn7ERKsq/+rT8Sb37gGilyYBXx6tlyiH8Em1 Rm4D6ifn3QW9d90jH0snXsUBOhbcalYdi9P+HF2vknDsd5q5+h5B+I5MPHvdiVuwdXIH XKAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ee5g+bGxE54gFXit/KIUqR9he93L7hCSwTwY6EGWWWg=; b=tnNqiVl1x6srHYu5cR4JSu6z90Y6H4gR6iF5Ctm7lemIpYRopfjJjL7LkQPbHyii2G OmTBB+uPECnyPPujpAhuAMb3bmKO30lUxApF7c7ISkf+rEJJDf0U+RQDRaBcDbS3EDv+ 8v1OuvklqSmvGIFhLLpfx+F65LxWE0f2WBGgl4w5RuUpnU+bGwSyvx/9u+d7zVNqnCbz BZ1bAeNdfgrcTwchQJReuSzcqiVpfNo2m+ngT70u+rXWoelVasJtzls2MR5287Jy/z71 SXpvSZF4/VfJGNMH/KWwk2TYtnrz4jlfFTajqqW/ACcW7shVE9igm88BIp/AGjEl7OJp SjdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIcc2AsYZW9eoWHJt8bT4zeOCuvOzb+ZIn9L3yeSA2kcnPj1eWt seu1qfPA8i5frMXiQe8UuAFxeJvJKwf4S8GiDmk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoscsr1VF4GdV5lmiyS48ixy8gQt7Bj39cE13WvZcHu3xZLKWtKTdZwzhBTqYuuCTOJf1STiAp3dHyvKp/qy8QU= X-Received: by 10.31.170.203 with SMTP id t194mr7082138vke.172.1513874316022; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:38:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: christopher.morrow@gmail.com Received: by 10.176.80.139 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:38:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1F3AC01AA49DD3BE543CCB9E@PSB> References: <51b495e6-ee1d-4224-6c7c-dec0f8248cc9@cisco.com> <60324BD8-E91D-49C7-9AE6-C6E22C836AC8@fugue.com> <1F3AC01AA49DD3BE543CCB9E@PSB> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:38:35 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: A6X1_wYan8ePXYaVFw6fLDksZMQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? To: John C Klensin Cc: Khaled Omar , ietf , rtgwg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114326c4d75b3a0560dc54d8" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:38:44 -0000 --001a114326c4d75b3a0560dc54d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The actual problem here is that the draft discussion's don't actually belong on the IETF@ list though... They belong in their respective WG lists, or perhaps on the IRTF list. Can we just move the discussion(s) there? :) On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > Folks, > > May I suggest that we wind this discussion thread down. > > Whether correct or not, analyses of Khaled's character are > probably not helpful and repetitive versions of them are less > so. The S/N ratio on the IETF list is never wonderful and this > thread should not contribute to making it worse. > > At least IMO, Khaled has been given a number of quite > constructive suggestions (both on-list and off) about how to > proceed if he wants to do so. Almost all of them include > focusing on a problem statement and/or a careful and reflect > literature review and analysis, but, if he wants to make > progress, he needs to understand the details of those > suggestions. > > Let's give him time to do that and see what, in the form of a > draft focused on those topics, he comes up with and, in the > process, try to reserve judgment about intentions, quality of > listening, etc. > > best, > john > > --001a114326c4d75b3a0560dc54d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The actual problem here is that the draft discussion's= don't actually belong on the IETF@ list though... They belong in their= respective WG lists, or perhaps on the IRTF list.

Can w= e just move the discussion(s) there? :)

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM, John C = Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
Folks,

May I suggest that we wind this discussion thread down.

Whether correct or not, analyses of Khaled's character are
probably not helpful and repetitive versions of them are less
so.=C2=A0 The S/N ratio on the IETF list is never wonderful and this
thread should not contribute to making it worse.

At least IMO, Khaled has been given a number of quite
constructive suggestions (both on-list and off) about how to
proceed if he wants to do so.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Almost all of them include
focusing on a problem statement and/or a careful and reflect
literature review and analysis, but, if he wants to make
progress, he needs to understand the details of those
suggestions.

Let's give him time to do that and see what, in the form of a
draft focused on those topics, he comes up with and, in the
process, try to reserve judgment about intentions, quality of
listening, etc.

best,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 john


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To: Khaled Omar Cc: John C Klensin , rtgwg , ietf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e08e4d8dd1778370560dc9d30" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:58:52 -0000 --089e08e4d8dd1778370560dc9d30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Khaled Omar wrote: > > Can we just move the discussion(s) there? :) > > > > I wish to go discuss there, but where there. > > > The IRTF - The Internet Research Task Force mailto: irtf-discuss@irtf.org IDR: mailto: idr@ietf.org routing-discussion mailto: routing-discussion@ietf.org rtgwg (you already copied them, just move there) > > > > > *From:* rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Christopher > Morrow > *Sent:* Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:39 PM > *To:* John C Klensin > *Cc:* rtgwg; Khaled Omar; ietf > *Subject:* Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously? > > > > The actual problem here is that the draft discussion's don't actually > belong on the IETF@ list though... They belong in their respective WG > lists, or perhaps on the IRTF list. > > > > Can we just move the discussion(s) there? :) > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM, John C Klensin > wrote: > > Folks, > > May I suggest that we wind this discussion thread down. > > Whether correct or not, analyses of Khaled's character are > probably not helpful and repetitive versions of them are less > so. The S/N ratio on the IETF list is never wonderful and this > thread should not contribute to making it worse. > > At least IMO, Khaled has been given a number of quite > constructive suggestions (both on-list and off) about how to > proceed if he wants to do so. Almost all of them include > focusing on a problem statement and/or a careful and reflect > literature review and analysis, but, if he wants to make > progress, he needs to understand the details of those > suggestions. > > Let's give him time to do that and see what, in the form of a > draft focused on those topics, he comes up with and, in the > process, try to reserve judgment about intentions, quality of > listening, etc. > > best, > john > > > --089e08e4d8dd1778370560dc9d30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.om= ar@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can we just move the discussion(s) there? :)

=C2=A0

I wish to go discuss there, but where t= here.

=C2=A0

The IRTF -=C2=A0The Internet Research Task Force
= =C2=A0 mailto: irtf-discuss@irtf.o= rg
=C2=A0
IDR:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mailto: idr@ietf.org

routing-= discussion
=C2=A0 mailto:=C2=A0routing-discussion@ietf.org

rtgwg= (you already copied them, just move there)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: rtgwg [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:39 PM
To: John C Klensin
Cc: rtgwg; Khaled Omar; ietf
Subject: Re: When the IETF can discuss drafts seriously?

=C2=A0

The actual problem here is that the draft disc= ussion's don't actually belong on the IETF@ list though... They bel= ong in their respective WG lists, or perhaps on the IRTF list.

=C2=A0

Can we just move the discussion(s) there? :)

=C2=A0

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM, John C Klens= in <john-ietf@jck= .com> wrote:

Folks,

May I suggest that we wind this discussion thread down.

Whether correct or not, analyses of Khaled's character are
probably not helpful and repetitive versions of them are less
so.=C2=A0 The S/N ratio on the IETF list is never wonderful and this
thread should not contribute to making it worse.

At least IMO, Khaled has been given a number of quite
constructive suggestions (both on-list and off) about how to
proceed if he wants to do so.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Almost all of them include
focusing on a problem statement and/or a careful and reflect
literature review and analysis, but, if he wants to make
progress, he needs to understand the details of those
suggestions.

Let's give him time to do that and see what, in the form of a
draft focused on those topics, he comes up with and, in the
process, try to reserve judgment about intentions, quality of
listening, etc.

best,
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seriously? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3061304_1556313689.1513880626733" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.11051 YahooMailAndroidMobile YMobile/1.0 (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/5.23.3; Android/6.0.1; MMB29M; j5xnlte; samsung; SM-J510MN; 5.2; 1280x720; ) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:23:53 -0000 ------=_Part_3061304_1556313689.1513880626733 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3061300_1353465870.1513880626449" ------=_Part_3061300_1353465870.1513880626449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1.Sasha Vainshtein Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android=20 =20 On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 17:57, John C Klensin wrote: = Folks, May I suggest that we wind this discussion thread down.=C2=A0=20 Whether correct or not, analyses of Khaled's character are probably not helpful and repetitive versions of them are less so.=C2=A0 The S/N ratio on the IETF list is never wonderful and this thread should not contribute to making it worse. At least IMO, Khaled has been given a number of quite constructive suggestions (both on-list and off) about how to proceed if he wants to do so.=C2=A0 Almost all of them include focusing on a problem statement and/or a careful and reflect literature review and analysis, but, if he wants to make progress, he needs to understand the details of those suggestions. Let's give him time to do that and see what, in the form of a draft focused on those topics, he comes up with and, in the process, try to reserve judgment about intentions, quality of listening, etc. best, =C2=A0 =C2=A0 john _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg =20 ------=_Part_3061300_1353465870.1513880626449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1.
Sasha Vainshtein
=
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 17:57, Joh= n C Klensin
<john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
Folks,

May I suggest that we= wind this discussion thread down. 

Whether correct or not, analyses of Khaled's character are
probably not helpful and repetitive versions of them are less
so.  The S/N ratio on the IETF list is never wonderful and = this
thread should not contribute to making it worse.

At least IMO, Khaled has been given a num= ber of quite
constructive suggestions (both on-list and o= ff) about how to
proceed if he wants to do so.  Alm= ost all of them include
focusing on a problem statement a= nd/or a careful and reflect
literature review and analysi= s, but, if he wants to make
progress, he needs to underst= and the details of those
suggestions.
<= br clear=3D"none">Let's give him time to do that and see what, in the form = of a
draft focused on those topics, he comes up with and,= in the
process, try to reserve judgment about intentions= , quality of
listening, etc.

best,
    john


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Cheers, Jeff and Chris -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Tantsura Date: Monday, October 23, 2017 at 14:17 To: RTGWG Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' , Benoit Claise , Rtg-dt-yang-arch Subject: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model Dear RTGWG, The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model. The interdependencies related to draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount have been addressed. There was consensus that document is ready for the last call during the last IETF meeting and the authors have addressed all the comments from Directorate QA review and YANGDOCTORS. Please indicate support or no-support by November 6, 2017. IPR: If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. 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Cheers, Jeff and Chris -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Tantsura Date: Monday, October 23, 2017 at 14:17 To: RTGWG Cc: 'rtgwg-chairs' , Benoit Claise , Rtg-dt-yang-arch Subject: RTGWG WGLC draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model Dear RTGWG, The authors have requested the RTGWG to last call draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model The interdependencies related to draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount have been addressed. There was consensus that document is ready for the last call during the last IETF meeting and the authors have addressed all the comments from Directorate QA review and YANGDOCTORS. Please indicate support or no-support by November 6, 2017. IPR: If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each individual that has contributed to the document. Thanks, Jeff & Chris From nobody Thu Dec 21 13:36:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B958A126CBF; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:36:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Tantsura To: Subject: Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-05 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Yingzhen Qu , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, yingzhen.ietf@gmail.com, rtgwg@ietf.org Message-ID: <151389220975.12895.1105795077616332622.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:36:49 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:36:50 -0000 Jeff Tantsura has requested publication of draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model-05 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the RTGWG working group. 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dG1sPg0K --_000_3B110B81B721B940871EC78F107D848C01072420DGGEMM506MBSchi_-- From nobody Wed Dec 27 09:39:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtgwg@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtgwg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7B412711E; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:39:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Linda Dunbar To: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-08 X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151439636088.29713.16465443667820758102@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:39:20 -0800 Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtgwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Routing Area Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:39:21 -0000 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-?? Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review Date: 2017-12-27 IETF LC End Date: 2017-12-12 IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-11 Summary: Thanks to the authors for addressing the comments from the Gen-Art reviewer on the 07 version. Major issues: None Minor issues: None Nits/editorial comments: None. Linda Dunbar