From IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Wed Apr 18 15:23:59 2001 Received: from mailbag.cps.intel.com ([192.102.199.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA16479 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbag.intel.com (mailbag.cps.intel.com [192.102.199.72]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA17593; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAILBAG.INTEL.COM by MAILBAG.INTEL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5284 for IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:04:40 -0700 Received: from chinacat.unicom.com (chinacat.unicom.com [192.108.105.34]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA17589 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chip@localhost) by chinacat.unicom.com (8.11.0/8.10.1) id f3IJ2Df05910; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:02:13 -0500 Mail-Followup-To: IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Message-ID: <20010418140212.A5887@chinacat.unicom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:02:13 -0500 Reply-To: IETF-RUN Sender: IETF-RUN From: Chip Rosenthal Subject: spamcon 2001 (May 25-25, San Francisco) To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM There is going to be a small, invitation-only spam conference (how to stop it, not how to do it :-) ) in San Francisco next month. I think it could be very valuable for folks who work on that sort of thing. Info is at . I'm not associated with the conference. I'm just going to be an attendee, and I've proposed a session to develop an "abuse desk" BCP. -- Chip Rosenthal http://www.unicom.com/ Protect your mail server against spam. http://mail-abuse.org/ Junk email is theft. There ought to be a law. http://www.cauce.org/ "That's not communication. That's gargling." -Geoffrey Nunberg From IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Wed Apr 18 15:44:04 2001 Received: from mailbag.cps.intel.com ([192.102.199.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA16662 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbag.intel.com (mailbag.cps.intel.com [192.102.199.72]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA17760; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAILBAG.INTEL.COM by MAILBAG.INTEL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5309 for IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:29:15 -0700 Received: from newsguy.com (perry.pathlink.com [209.155.233.33]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA17756 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyn_103.nachmanhays.com ([38.149.133.103]) by newsguy.com (8.11.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f3IJR7I70962 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:27:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <20010418140212.A5887@chinacat.unicom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailbag.cps.intel.com id MAA17757 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:26:23 -0400 Reply-To: tedgavin@newsguy.com Sender: IETF-RUN From: Ted Gavin Organization: Institute for the Very, Very Nervous Subject: Re: spamcon 2001 (May 25-25, San Francisco) To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM In-Reply-To: <20010418140212.A5887@chinacat.unicom.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:02:13 -0500, you wrote: >There is going to be a small, invitation-only spam conference (how to >stop it, not how to do it :-) ) in San Francisco next month. I think >it could be very valuable for folks who work on that sort of thing. >Info is at . Cool. Since our recent draft is about to be published as RFC-3098, should someone try and weasel an invitation? Ted >I'm not associated with the conference. I'm just going to be an >attendee, and I've proposed a session to develop an "abuse desk" BCP. Sounds interesting! Thanks for the tip! Ted From IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Wed Apr 18 16:00:25 2001 Received: from mailbag.cps.intel.com ([192.102.199.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA16878 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbag.intel.com (mailbag.cps.intel.com [192.102.199.72]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA17931; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAILBAG.INTEL.COM by MAILBAG.INTEL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5338 for IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:39:19 -0700 Received: from chinacat.unicom.com (chinacat.unicom.com [192.108.105.34]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA17927 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chip@localhost) by chinacat.unicom.com (8.11.0/8.10.1) id f3IJapL05983; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:36:51 -0500 Mail-Followup-To: Ted Gavin , IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM References: <20010418140212.A5887@chinacat.unicom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Message-ID: <20010418143651.E5887@chinacat.unicom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:36:51 -0500 Reply-To: IETF-RUN Sender: IETF-RUN From: Chip Rosenthal Subject: Re: spamcon 2001 (May 25-25, San Francisco) Comments: To: Ted Gavin To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM In-Reply-To: ; from tedgavin@newsguy.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:26:23PM -0400 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:26:23PM -0400, Ted Gavin wrote: > Cool. Since our recent draft is about to be published as RFC-3098, > should someone try and weasel an invitation? Go ahead and register for an invite at the web site. I believe the invitations are just being used as a filter process to keep the size managable and ensure the right people are attending. (Again, that's http://www.spamcon.com/) > Sounds interesting! It could be. I'm hopeful that it will be a good crowd of folks, and some good ideas will emerge. -- Chip Rosenthal http://www.unicom.com/ Protect your mail server against spam. http://mail-abuse.org/ Junk email is theft. There ought to be a law. http://www.cauce.org/ "That's not communication. That's gargling." -Geoffrey Nunberg From IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Wed Apr 18 16:13:08 2001 Received: from mailbag.cps.intel.com ([192.102.199.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA17055 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbag.intel.com (mailbag.cps.intel.com [192.102.199.72]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id NAA18155; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAILBAG.INTEL.COM by MAILBAG.INTEL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5365 for IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:00:18 -0700 Received: from crotus.sc.intel.com (scfdns02.sc.intel.com [143.183.152.26]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id NAA18151 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ludwig.sc.intel.com (ludwig.sc.intel.com [143.183.53.32]) by crotus.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.36 2001/04/18 16:16:02 root Exp $) with SMTP id TAA07863; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:58:01 GMT Received: by Ludwig.sc.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04810; Wed, 18 Apr 01 12:56:07 PDT Message-ID: <10104181956.AA04810@Ludwig.sc.intel.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:56:07 PDT Reply-To: IETF-RUN Sender: IETF-RUN From: Sally Hambridge Subject: Re: spamcon 2001 (May 25-25, San Francisco) Comments: To: Chip Rosenthal To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM I lied - it made it through fine. But I'm seeing a ton of bounce messages from addresses no longer valid. Sigh...... Sally sallyh@ludwig.sc.intel.com From chip@chinacat.unicom.com Wed Apr 18 12:22:46 2001 Received: from crotus.sc.intel.com (scfdns02.sc.intel.com) by Ludwig.sc.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04773; Wed, 18 Apr 01 12:22:39 PDT Received: from chinacat.unicom.com (chinacat.unicom.com [192.108.105.34]) by crotus.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.36 2001/04/18 16:16:02 root Exp $) with ESMTP id TAA24791 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:24:31 GMT Received: (from chip@localhost) by chinacat.unicom.com (8.11.0/8.10.1) id f3IJOKJ05957 for sallyh@ludwig.sc.intel.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:24:20 -0500 Resent-Message-Id: <200104181924.f3IJOKJ05957@chinacat.unicom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:02:12 -0500 From: Chip Rosenthal To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Subject: spamcon 2001 (May 25-25, San Francisco) Message-Id: <20010418140212.A5887@chinacat.unicom.com> Mail-Followup-To: IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-From: chip@unicom.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:24:20 -0500 Resent-To: sallyh@ludwig.sc.intel.com Status: R There is going to be a small, invitation-only spam conference (how to stop it, not how to do it :-) ) in San Francisco next month. I think it could be very valuable for folks who work on that sort of thing. Info is at . I'm not associated with the conference. I'm just going to be an attendee, and I've proposed a session to develop an "abuse desk" BCP. -- Chip Rosenthal http://www.unicom.com/ Protect your mail server against spam. http://mail-abuse.org/ Junk email is theft. There ought to be a law. http://www.cauce.org/ "That's not communication. That's gargling." -Geoffrey Nunberg From IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Mon Apr 30 10:28:16 2001 Received: from mailbag.cps.intel.com ([192.102.199.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA12183 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbag.intel.com (mailbag.cps.intel.com [192.102.199.72]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id GAA12436; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAILBAG.INTEL.COM by MAILBAG.INTEL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5495 for IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:59:27 -0700 Received: from httpprxy.aac.va.gov (smtp.mail.va.gov [63.160.3.131]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id GAA12432 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from forum.va.gov ([152.125.23.1]) by httpprxy.aac.va.gov (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10508 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:57:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10103161840.AA19972@Ludwig.sc.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <3AED6F33.D6B53CDF@forum.va.gov> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:57:07 -0400 Reply-To: IETF-RUN Sender: IETF-RUN From: Walter Houser Subject: Re: We've got lift-off To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is the authoritative version of draft-ietf-run-adverts-02.txt? The document draft-ietf-run-adverts-02.txt is not on the ID list. Sally Hambridge wrote: > In case you didn't see this.... > > Thanks very much to Ted and April for getting the DOC > to this stage. We can now have recess. > > Sally > sallyh@ludwig.sc.intel.com > > >From ietf-123-owner@loki.ietf.org Fri Mar 16 09:30:18 2001 > Received: from crotus.sc.intel.com (scfdns02.sc.intel.com) by Ludwig.sc.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) > id AA19911; Fri, 16 Mar 01 09:30:17 PST > Received: from loki.ietf.org (loki.ietf.org [132.151.1.177]) > by crotus.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.35 2001/02/12 09:03:45 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id RAA01965 > for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:33:44 GMT > Received: (from adm@localhost) > by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA07480 > for ietf-123-outbound.03@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:45:00 -0500 (EST) > Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [10.27.2.28]) > by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07464 > for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 (EST) > Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05265; > Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 (EST) > Message-Id: <200103161538.KAA05265@ietf.org> > To: IETF-Announce:;@loki.ietf.org > Cc: RFC Editor , IANA > Cc: Internet Architecture Board > Cc: ietf-run@mailbag.cps.intel.com > From: The IESG > Subject: Document Action: How to Advertise Responsibly Using the E-Mail > and Newsgroups or- how NOT to $$$$$ MAKE ENEMIES FAST $$$$$ to > Informational > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 > Sender: scoya@cnri.reston.va.us > Status: R > > The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'How to Advertise Responsibly > Using the E-Mail and Newsgroups or- how NOT to $$$$$ MAKE ENEMIES FAST > $$$$$' as a Informational. This > document is the product of the Responsible Use of the Network Working > Group. The IESG contact person is April Marine. > > Note to RFC Editor: > > The IESG respectfully requests the following be added prior to > publication as an RFC: > > Security Considerations > > This memo offers suggestions for responsible advertising techniques that > can be used via the Internet. It does not raise or address security > issues, but special attention should be paid to the section on "Privacy." > While not strictly a network security consideration, privacy > considerations can have legal ramifications that deserve special > attention. -- Walt Houser, VA Webmaster http://www.va.gov/ VA Privacy Notice for Information Collected from E-mails and Web Forms http://www.va.gov/privacy/email.asp From IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Mon Apr 30 11:35:21 2001 Received: from mailbag.cps.intel.com ([192.102.199.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA15545 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbag.intel.com (mailbag.cps.intel.com [192.102.199.72]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id IAA12913; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAILBAG.INTEL.COM by MAILBAG.INTEL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5539 for IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:15:46 -0700 Received: from clio.sc.intel.com (scfdns01.sc.intel.com [143.183.152.25]) by mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id IAA12909 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ludwig.sc.intel.com (ludwig.sc.intel.com [143.183.53.32]) by clio.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.36 2001/04/18 16:16:02 root Exp $) with SMTP id PAA29740 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:13:43 GMT Received: by Ludwig.sc.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15973; Mon, 30 Apr 01 08:12:06 PDT Message-ID: <10104301512.AA15973@Ludwig.sc.intel.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:12:06 PDT Reply-To: IETF-RUN Sender: IETF-RUN From: Sally Hambridge Subject: Re: We've got lift-off To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Walt - it's now RFC 3098 > > >Where is the authoritative version of draft-ietf-run-adverts-02.txt? The document draft-ietf-run-adverts-02.txt is not on the ID >list. > >Sally Hambridge wrote: > >> In case you didn't see this.... >> >> Thanks very much to Ted and April for getting the DOC >> to this stage. We can now have recess. >> >> Sally >> sallyh@ludwig.sc.intel.com >> >> >From ietf-123-owner@loki.ietf.org Fri Mar 16 09:30:18 2001 >> Received: from crotus.sc.intel.com (scfdns02.sc.intel.com) by Ludwig.sc.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) >> id AA19911; Fri, 16 Mar 01 09:30:17 PST >> Received: from loki.ietf.org (loki.ietf.org [132.151.1.177]) >> by crotus.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.35 2001/02/12 09:03:45 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id RAA01965 >> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:33:44 GMT >> Received: (from adm@localhost) >> by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA07480 >> for ietf-123-outbound.03@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:45:00 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [10.27.2.28]) >> by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07464 >> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >> by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05265; >> Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 (EST) >> Message-Id: <200103161538.KAA05265@ietf.org> >> To: IETF-Announce:;@loki.ietf.org >> Cc: RFC Editor , IANA >> Cc: Internet Architecture Board >> Cc: ietf-run@mailbag.cps.intel.com >> From: The IESG >> Subject: Document Action: How to Advertise Responsibly Using the E-Mail >> and Newsgroups or- how NOT to $$$$$ MAKE ENEMIES FAST $$$$$ to >> Informational >> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 >> Sender: scoya@cnri.reston.va.us >> Status: R >> >> The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'How to Advertise Responsibly >> Using the E-Mail and Newsgroups or- how NOT to $$$$$ MAKE ENEMIES FAST >> $$$$$' as a Informational. This >> document is the product of the Responsible Use of the Network Working >> Group. The IESG contact person is April Marine. >> >> Note to RFC Editor: >> >> The IESG respectfully requests the following be added prior to >> publication as an RFC: >> >> Security Considerations >> >> This memo offers suggestions for responsible advertising techniques that >> can be used via the Internet. It does not raise or address security >> issues, but special attention should be paid to the section on "Privacy." >> While not strictly a network security consideration, privacy >> considerations can have legal ramifications that deserve special >> attention. > >-- >Walt Houser, VA Webmaster http://www.va.gov/ >VA Privacy Notice for Information Collected from E-mails and Web Forms http://www.va.gov/privacy/email.asp > From IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Mon Apr 30 18:36:33 2001 Received: from mailbag.cps.intel.com ([192.102.199.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA27490 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbag.intel.com (mailbag.cps.intel.com [192.102.199.72]) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id PAA14866; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAILBAG.INTEL.COM by MAILBAG.INTEL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5643 for IETF-RUN@MAILBAG.INTEL.COM; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:15:17 -0700 Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [207.211.168.71] (may be forged)) by mailbag.cps.intel.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 2000/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id PAA14862 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 207-103-71-212-cpadsl.cpadsl.voicenet.com (207-103-71-212-cpadsl.cpadsl.voicenet.com [207.103.71.212]) by newsguy.com (8.11.0/8.9.1) with SMTP id f3UMDBB00916 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:13:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <10103161840.AA19972@Ludwig.sc.intel.com> <3AED6F33.D6B53CDF@forum.va.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailbag.cps.intel.com id PAA14863 Message-ID: <5qmrets34dn84nvlk3pp2d7u7tflngbeqe@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:43:01 -0400 Reply-To: tedgavin@newsguy.com Sender: IETF-RUN From: Ted Gavin Organization: Institute for the Very, Very Nervous Subject: Re: We've got lift-off To: IETF-RUN@mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM In-Reply-To: <3AED6F33.D6B53CDF@forum.va.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:57:07 -0400, Walter Houser wrote: Speaking of RFC-3098, how does everyone feel about making a quick amendment and resubmitting? We've gotten some good feedback and suggestions that would indicate that perhaps something is missing. In the discussion, we neglected to include a mail-loop approval, which essentially prevents the activity of an opt-in request until the requestor actually does something (click on a link, reply to the message, etc...). This shifts the responsibility from the user (having to deal with unauthorized subscriptions) to the list owners (having to verify each address prior to inclusion). It's a MAPS-endorsed protection, and I think it warrants inclusion in some text from the IETF. I'd be happy to make the changes and present it to the group and up the chain for resubmission, but I'd like to see what Sally, April and the group have to say about it. On another note, I've been asked to speak at SPAMCON regarding this subject and Responsible Use, from the business perspective as well as the policy perspective. Anyone have any points they'd like to see included? Ted >Where is the authoritative version of draft-ietf-run-adverts-02.txt? The document draft-ietf-run-adverts-02.txt is not on the ID >list. > >Sally Hambridge wrote: > >> In case you didn't see this.... >> >> Thanks very much to Ted and April for getting the DOC >> to this stage. We can now have recess. >> >> Sally >> sallyh@ludwig.sc.intel.com >> >> >From ietf-123-owner@loki.ietf.org Fri Mar 16 09:30:18 2001 >> Received: from crotus.sc.intel.com (scfdns02.sc.intel.com) by Ludwig.sc.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) >> id AA19911; Fri, 16 Mar 01 09:30:17 PST >> Received: from loki.ietf.org (loki.ietf.org [132.151.1.177]) >> by crotus.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.35 2001/02/12 09:03:45 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id RAA01965 >> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:33:44 GMT >> Received: (from adm@localhost) >> by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA07480 >> for ietf-123-outbound.03@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:45:00 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [10.27.2.28]) >> by loki.ietf.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07464 >> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >> by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05265; >> Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 (EST) >> Message-Id: <200103161538.KAA05265@ietf.org> >> To: IETF-Announce:;@loki.ietf.org >> Cc: RFC Editor , IANA >> Cc: Internet Architecture Board >> Cc: ietf-run@mailbag.cps.intel.com >> From: The IESG >> Subject: Document Action: How to Advertise Responsibly Using the E-Mail >> and Newsgroups or- how NOT to $$$$$ MAKE ENEMIES FAST $$$$$ to >> Informational >> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:38:14 -0500 >> Sender: scoya@cnri.reston.va.us >> Status: R >> >> The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'How to Advertise Responsibly >> Using the E-Mail and Newsgroups or- how NOT to $$$$$ MAKE ENEMIES FAST >> $$$$$' as a Informational. This >> document is the product of the Responsible Use of the Network Working >> Group. The IESG contact person is April Marine. >> >> Note to RFC Editor: >> >> The IESG respectfully requests the following be added prior to >> publication as an RFC: >> >> Security Considerations >> >> This memo offers suggestions for responsible advertising techniques that >> can be used via the Internet. It does not raise or address security >> issues, but special attention should be paid to the section on "Privacy." >> While not strictly a network security consideration, privacy >> considerations can have legal ramifications that deserve special >> attention. Ted Gavin http://member.newsguy.com/~tedgavin ------------------------------------------------------------ "Will highways on the internet become more few?" - George W. Bush