From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 10 11:01:59 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18905 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU6mK-0000Ek-VK for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:33 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAG1WTW000888 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU6mK-0000E0-2x for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18813 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU6mG-0004nH-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:28 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU6mF-0004ky-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:27 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AU6ZO-0008HG-72 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU6ZF-0008Cy-Am; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:48:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AU6Yn-0008Cd-B9 for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:47:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA17490 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU6Yk-0004OV-00 for saad@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:47:30 -0500 Received: from sierra.rtfm.com ([198.144.203.251]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AU6Yk-0004MG-00 for saad@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:47:30 -0500 Received: from rtfm.com (romeo.rtfm.com [198.144.203.242]) by sierra.rtfm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5367071AC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:46:58 -0800 (PST) To: saad@ietf.org X-Mailer: mh-e 6.1; nmh 1.0.4; Emacs 21.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:47:01 -0800 From: Eric Rescorla Message-Id: <20031210154658.5367071AC@sierra.rtfm.com> Subject: [Saad] Totally quiet Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Folks, I just noticed that there's been no traffic on this list since end of October. It's not just that my subscription is wonky, either; the archives say the same thing. However, noone's complained to me that the list isn't working, so I'm assuming that it's OK--or that something is really wrong! Are people still interested in having this list around? -Ekr _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 10 17:21:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA21695 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUChq-0002Mh-Qy for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:21:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAMLIfR009091 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:21:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUChq-0002MY-NI for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:21:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA21657 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUChn-0003Zz-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:21:15 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUCdm-0003Qn-03 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:17:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUCOI-0001Xd-Gz; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:01:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUCO9-0001Th-TL for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:00:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA20879 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUCO7-0003As-00 for saad@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:00:55 -0500 Received: from ctron-dnm.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.120] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUCO6-0003An-00 for saad@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:00:54 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ctron-dnm.enterasys.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09503 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from nhrocavg2(134.141.79.124) by ctron-dnm.enterasys.com via smap (4.1) id xma009476; Wed, 10 Dec 03 17:00:59 -0500 Received: from NHROCCNC2.ets.enterasys.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:59:55 -0500 Received: from source ([134.141.79.122]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:59:55 -0500 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC2.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:59:53 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Saad] Totally quiet Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:59:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA013B173F@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: [Saad] Totally quiet Thread-Index: AcO/NQQoBK8XSvP+TaWW0h0n4hwrYwAM9nog From: "Harrington, David" To: "Eric Rescorla" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 21:59:54.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[F13719D0:01C3BF68] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.0 X-pstn-levels: (C:80.8653 M:99.5542 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S:59.9007 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jog my memory. What was this group about? ;-) dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:47 AM > To: saad@ietf.org > Subject: [Saad] Totally quiet >=20 >=20 > Folks, >=20 > I just noticed that there's been no traffic on this list since > end of October. It's not just that my subscription is wonky,=20 > either; the archives say the same thing. However, noone's > complained to me that the list isn't working, so I'm assuming > that it's OK--or that something is really wrong! >=20 > Are people still interested in having this list around? >=20 > -Ekr >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Saad mailing list > Saad@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad >=20 _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 14:13:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09539 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3aB-0002bq-UG for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIJDB4e010027 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3aB-0002be-Oc for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09488 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3a9-0002QC-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3a6-0002Pq-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3a6-0002Pn-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3a0-0002aD-NP; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX3ZE-0002Ze-1Q for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:12:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09373 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3ZB-0002Kz-00 for saad@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:12:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3ZA-0002Kr-00 for saad@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:12:09 -0500 Received: from thing.verisignlabs.com ([65.201.175.62] helo=cliffie.verisignlabs.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX3ZA-0002HG-00 for saad@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:12:08 -0500 Received: from thinkingcat.com ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: PLAIN leslie, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-MD5) by cliffie.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3FE1FB36.5030802@thinkingcat.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:08:38 -0500 From: Leslie Daigle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harrington, David" CC: Eric Rescorla , saad@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Saad] Totally quiet References: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA013B173F@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the link at the bottom of your message... > About Saad > > Scoped Addressing Architecture Discussion (SAAD) > > Mailing list moderator: Eric Rescorla, Internet Architecture Board > > Mailing list description: > > We have specified an Internet that works, at the network layer, > using relatively stable but not permanent identifiers for connection > endpoints, which are allocated and administered using a topology > dependent model, implying a service provider dependent model. > > But we run into problems (the architecture doesn't quite fit) when > we try to address some scenarios encountered in real life: > > . multihoming > . assembling a local network without necessarily having to contact an ISP to obtain address space(e.g.,home net) > . renumbering local networks without significant pain > . working with wireless networks, where the concept of "link" can be quite fuzzy > > Some proposed solutions are challenged in terms of: > > . providing referential integrity - how is referential > integrity maintained when identifiers are not globally > unique or are overloaded? > . choosing between different identifiers for an object which > has different "reachability" and the reachability is > context-dependent > . security/transiting trust in layered address > resolution . providing solutions that work across all layers of > the stack and all areas - how do we find a solution > that is great for routing but also great for security? > > The purpose of this mailing list is to identify and clarify the types of > problems we are encountering with the current architecture, and > to debate the merits of approaches that: > > . provide scoping at the IP layer > . provide scoping at some other (single) layer > . provide new addressing paradigms that span several layers > > Out of scope for this discussion list are: > > . discussions of specific proposed "solutions" (except as > illustrations for discussing problem types, and merits of > general approaches) Leslie. Harrington, David wrote: > Jog my memory. What was this group about? ;-) > > dbh > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:47 AM >>To: saad@ietf.org >>Subject: [Saad] Totally quiet >> >> >>Folks, >> >>I just noticed that there's been no traffic on this list since >>end of October. It's not just that my subscription is wonky, >>either; the archives say the same thing. However, noone's >>complained to me that the list isn't working, so I'm assuming >>that it's OK--or that something is really wrong! >> >>Are people still interested in having this list around? >> >>-Ekr >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Saad mailing list >>Saad@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Saad mailing list > Saad@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Reality: Yours to discover." -- ThinkingCat Leslie Daigle leslie@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 08:06:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07660 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXKKS-0007ir-LO for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJD64FQ029679 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXKKS-0007ic-Fv for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07634 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXKKR-00029c-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXKKQ-00029V-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXKKQ-00029S-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXKKO-0007hG-EF; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:06:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXKJV-0007g0-S0 for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:05:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07612 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXKJU-00028K-00 for saad@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:05:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXKJU-00028D-00 for saad@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:05:04 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXKJU-00027X-00 for saad@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:05:04 -0500 Received: from dfnjgl21 (c-24-1-97-129.client.comcast.net[24.1.97.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20031219130433012000ubs8e> (Authid: sdawkins@comcast.net); Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:04:33 +0000 Message-ID: <076301c3c630$a8df6b50$0400a8c0@DFNJGL21> Reply-To: "Spencer Dawkins" From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:04:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Saad] Very quiet Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had completely missed the announcement of this group, and have been happily discussing the SAAD topics on multi6. Brian just (re-)announced SAAD there - maybe wait a little bit before deciding how much interest there is in the topics? Spencer _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Dec 20 12:15:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13755 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXkh6-0003B9-Cc for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBKHFC9T012213 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXkh6-0003At-71 for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13749 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXkh4-0007f8-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXkh3-0007f0-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXkh3-0007ex-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXkgx-00039K-0k; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:15:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXkgq-00038q-3Z for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13737 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXkgo-0007eE-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXkgn-0007e7-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:54 -0500 Received: from zmamail04.zma.compaq.com ([161.114.64.104]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXkgn-0007e4-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:53 -0500 Received: from tayexg11.americas.cpqcorp.net (tayexg11.americas.cpqcorp.net [16.103.130.96]) by zmamail04.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59FA13991; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net ([16.103.130.26]) by tayexg11.americas.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:53 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Saad] Very quiet Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <9C422444DE99BC46B3AD3C6EAFC9711B05122DD7@tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net> Thread-Topic: [Saad] Very quiet Thread-Index: AcPGMN7cE4eDLiwxT4uDQIs7TPCuhAA69sUg From: "Bound, Jim" To: "Spencer Dawkins" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2003 17:14:53.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[C898BA90:01C3C71C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Be better to discuss here as it has context beyond multi6. Pretty dead here. Is this to exist? /jim > -----Original Message----- > From: saad-admin@ietf.org [mailto:saad-admin@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:05 AM > To: saad@ietf.org > Subject: [Saad] Very quiet >=20 >=20 > I had completely missed the announcement of this group, and have been > happily discussing the SAAD topics on multi6. Brian just > (re-)announced SAAD there - maybe wait a little bit before deciding > how much interest there is in the topics? >=20 > Spencer >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Saad mailing list > Saad@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad >=20 _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Dec 20 13:12:38 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15132 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXlaF-0004of-Rd for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBKICBae018509 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXlaF-0004oS-L2 for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15123 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXlaD-0001YY-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXlaA-0001Xn-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:09 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXlaA-0001Xk-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXla4-0004ml-GY; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:12:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXlZi-0004mU-0q for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:11:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15041 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXlYb-0001Tl-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:10:30 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXlYb-0001Td-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:10:29 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.202.55]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXlYa-0001Su-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:10:29 -0500 Received: from dfnjgl21 (c-24-1-97-129.client.comcast.net[24.1.97.129]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003122018095801100ijmuqe> (Authid: sdawkins@comcast.net); Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:09:58 +0000 Message-ID: <086901c3c724$7e81ed20$0400a8c0@DFNJGL21> Reply-To: "Spencer Dawkins" From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: Cc: "Dave Crocker" References: <9C422444DE99BC46B3AD3C6EAFC9711B05122DD7@tayexc13.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: [Saad] Very quiet Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:10:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Brian and Kurt are reworking the multi6 charter (iirc), but the current multi6 charter is for multihomed *sites*, and a fair number of the current multi6 participants are (at least) also interested in multihomed *hosts*. So, not only is ipv4 technically off-topic for multi6, but things like id/loc separation impacts on transports and applications should be, too. Maybe we can migrate the appropriate people over... Spencer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bound, Jim" To: "Spencer Dawkins" ; Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [Saad] Very quiet Be better to discuss here as it has context beyond multi6. Pretty dead here. Is this to exist? /jim > -----Original Message----- > From: saad-admin@ietf.org [mailto:saad-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:05 AM > To: saad@ietf.org > Subject: [Saad] Very quiet > > > I had completely missed the announcement of this group, and have been > happily discussing the SAAD topics on multi6. Brian just > (re-)announced SAAD there - maybe wait a little bit before deciding > how much interest there is in the topics? > > Spencer > > > _______________________________________________ > Saad mailing list > Saad@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad > _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Dec 20 22:47:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00652 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXuYc-0003dH-T5 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBL3l603013957 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXuYc-0003d2-MK for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00643 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXuYZ-0003Ak-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXuYY-0003Ac-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXuYY-0003AZ-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXuYX-0003cY-Ao; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:47:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXuYM-0003cE-Ff for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:46:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00624 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXuYJ-00039p-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:46:47 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXuYH-00039Z-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:46:46 -0500 Received: from p13.n-chpop03.stsn.com ([63.240.154.13] helo=chpop.smtp.stsn.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXuYH-00036L-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:46:45 -0500 Received: from BBFUJIP ([10.24.143.132]) by chpop.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:42:09 -0600 From: Dave Crocker To: Spencer Dawkins CC: X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.01 (1661) - EVALUATION VERSION X-URL: http://www.pocomail.com/ Reply-To: dcrocker@brandenburg.com Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:42:35 -0600 Message-ID: <20031220214235.652512@BBFUJIP> In-Reply-To: <086901c3c724$7e81ed20$0400a8c0@DFNJGL21> Subject: Re: [Saad] Very quiet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2003 03:42:09.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[93B41A00:01C3C83D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Spencer,

 

SD> multihomed *hosts*. So, not only is ipv4 technically off-topic for

SD> multi6, but things like id/loc separation impacts on transports and

SD> applications should be, too.

 

SD> Maybe we can migrate the appropriate people over...

 

 

I would like for this to be the right venue, but please note that the

charter for the list cast the issue as an addressing topic. Some of

the proposals -- no surprise, this includes MAST -- solve mobility and

multihoming without creating any new, long-term identification

structure. They use session-internal, ephemeral identifiers, but

nothing registered or public.

 

I read the charter as precluding this solution path.

 

Please tell me I'm reading it wrong (and how) or perhaps we can revise

the charter wording some?

 

d/

--

  Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com>

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_______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 21 12:24:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29802 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY7JM-0005om-PE for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBLHOCYU022358 for saad-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY7JM-0005oX-HI for saad-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29796 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY7JL-000460-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:11 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AY7JK-00045t-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:10 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY7JJ-00045p-00 for saad-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY7JB-0005mm-1c; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY7II-0005lo-Fe for saad@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:23:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29771 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:23:02 -0500 (EST) From: Margaret.Wasserman@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY7IG-00043a-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:23:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AY7IF-00043S-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:23:04 -0500 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com ([131.228.20.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY7IF-00043N-00 for saad@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:23:03 -0500 Received: from esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir05nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.37]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id hBLHN1028483 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:23:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:23:01 +0200 Received: from bsebe001.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.19.160.13]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:22:59 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:22:59 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Saad] Totally quiet Thread-Index: AcO/NRfZXCcEQwrlTgi7q8NE9VuoCgIsQOXg To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2003 17:23:00.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[151004D0:01C3C7E7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Saad] Ongoing Addressing-Related Work Sender: saad-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: saad-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saad@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Scope Addressing Architecture Discussion List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps folks from this list would like to read and comment on=20 the ongoing addressing-related work in the IPv6 WG? The=20 following four documents seem (to me) to be solidifying and will probably be coming to the IESG for approval soon. If people have thoughts about these drafts, I (and I'm sure the IPv6 WG) would be interested to hear them: The latest IPv6 Addressing Arch draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipv6-addr-arch-v4-00.txt The latest IPv6 Scoped Address Arch draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipv6-scoping-arch-00.txt The Site-Local Deprecation draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipv6-deprecate-site-local-= 02.txt The Unique Local IPv6 Addresses draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-01.= txt Margaret _______________________________________________ Saad mailing list Saad@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saad