From nobody Mon Jan 10 23:58:15 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF42F3A1D0A for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 23:58:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=orange.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21pg_VyC1CPf for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 23:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6586D3A1D80 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 23:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr03.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.67]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by opfednr21.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTPS id 4JY32r2Mjcz5vvc for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:57:56 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=orange.com; s=ORANGE001; t=1641887876; bh=p42vjdbaacAGIuNBaMMjXsmmBJ1lCVFd2hhJH1Ww/Zc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=Y4QuMSmdLVFx2N9Mo8F9nL8uOxNfDEu2oMIOJhQKBRbpqqBTi3+7dZ48nyeZwWT/y L0zm0E564vUMnYse5z5iPX6uST3Q//D8kbzjw/Zo3SV54CUvzI/Od7QhqbIYMBT/wk dBQCzAQIZ5+mWMT7rBghyoKOct/vQEEKOxSulv0O9mspBWxQkr1neUYNyRLQRGklot /OCkzIVbmo2+zxm2ABqxqE7kx+ZnAw5KWrbdv+kL0jJMEn+H1Qa3708TG7+zvpts8C L5h7lz0WICLoXXScnPkyDTfOFeqxXldfXpYVuPpsTMBR5rLxbN/dywnHsVxhjImSet NbXk+PZ+YtZvQ== From: To: "saag@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [saag] PQC in ZRTP (RFC6189) and hybrid KEM Thread-Index: AdgGwMRw/hC4nYnLSGyLlOq5UHBxHw== Content-Class: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 07:57:55 +0000 Message-ID: <27698_1641887876_61DD3884_27698_67_7_bac5aebbbd0741dfa5a4650c67aa8d55@orange.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Enabled=true; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SetDate=2022-01-11T07:57:53Z; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Method=Privileged; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Name=unrestricted_parent.2; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SiteId=90c7a20a-f34b-40bf-bc48-b9253b6f5d20; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ActionId=f2f2e38a-b3d4-4277-bfdb-bd5f6cdf9399; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ContentBits=0 msip_label_e6c818a6-e1a0-4a6e-a969-20d857c5dc62_enabled: true msip_label_e6c818a6-e1a0-4a6e-a969-20d857c5dc62_setdate: 2022-01-11T07:57:48Z msip_label_e6c818a6-e1a0-4a6e-a969-20d857c5dc62_method: Standard msip_label_e6c818a6-e1a0-4a6e-a969-20d857c5dc62_name: Orange_restricted_internal.2 msip_label_e6c818a6-e1a0-4a6e-a969-20d857c5dc62_siteid: 90c7a20a-f34b-40bf-bc48-b9253b6f5d20 msip_label_e6c818a6-e1a0-4a6e-a969-20d857c5dc62_actionid: 6599fb49-72ba-4545-82cb-72b456bec650 msip_label_e6c818a6-e1a0-4a6e-a969-20d857c5dc62_contentbits: 0 x-originating-ip: [10.115.26.50] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_bac5aebbbd0741dfa5a4650c67aa8d55orangecom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] PQC in ZRTP (RFC6189) and hybrid KEM X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 07:58:13 -0000 --_000_bac5aebbbd0741dfa5a4650c67aa8d55orangecom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Johan, I do volunteer to participate in this new draft. 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X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 17:08:39 -0000 Hi! The IETF functions best when there is a robust and diverse pipeline of cand= idates in WG leadership positions. Ben and I would like to have a pool of = candidates to select from when any WG chair positions need to be filled. S= uch a pool lets us tailor a match between the position, and the skills and = potential of the candidates in question.=20 We're sending this note to make sure we've got the broadest pool available = for future WG chair assignments. If you are interested in chairing, or kno= w someone interested in chairing, please email us privately. Chairs with p= revious experience are great. No prior experience is also fine as we often= pair experienced chairs with those new to the role. If you previously res= ponded to calls such as this [1] [2], we would still like to hear from you = again to confirm your interest. Thanks, and looking forward to talking to you. 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Thanks, Panos -----Original Message----- From: saag On Behalf Of Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN= 0) Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:19 AM To: saag@ietf.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [saag] [EXTERNAL] Re: About the "Draft text for a P= Q Maintenance WG" CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not cli= ck links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the= content is safe. Hi I think the charter looks fine. Thanks Chuck Charles J. Sheehe III Computer Engineer Secure Networks, System Integration and Test Branch (LCN) Glenn Research Center 21000 Brookpark Rd Cleveland, OH 44135 Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV Email Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov SIPRmail Office: 216-433-5179 It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the st= rong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face = is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who= comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and = shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great = enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who= at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at t= he worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his pla= ce shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory = nor defeat. Theodore Roosevelt -----Original Message----- From: saag On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 2:23 PM To: Kampanakis, Panos ; Salz, Rich ; Benjamin Kaduk ; saag@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance W= G" Hi! We've heard this confusion on using the "maintenance" short hand to charact= erize this potential body of work. The intent was what Panos described - a= short hand where the "maintenance" was on existing IETF protocol to allow = it to benefit from PQC mechanisms. The proposed, templated charter language more precisely captures the intent= -- "The [Planned WG Name] working group ([Planned WG Acronym]) is chartere= d as a WG to analyze, adapt or update IETF protocols, registries, and assoc= iated code points with PQ cryptographic mechanisms." (https://github.com/rd= anyliw/ietf-pq-maintenance/blob/main/pqm-charter.md ). I've removed= "PQ maintenance" from the header of the templated charter. It now reads "= PQC Agility WG". The term didn't appear in the charter text itself. Howev= er, to eliminate all possible c onfusion I also the one instance of mainte= nance by s/protocol maintenance/protocol changes/. Roman From: Kampanakis, Panos Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:53 PM To: Salz, Rich ; Roman Danyliw ; Benjamin Kaduk ; saag@ietf.org Subject: RE: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG" Maybe maintenance is the wrong word, but the point is to have a WG for orph= aned (without a WG) protocols like CURDLE was for Curve25519/448. From: saag > On Behal= f Of Salz, Rich Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:41 PM To: Ludovic Perret >; Roman Danyliw >; Benjamin Kaduk >; saag@i= etf.org Cc: Kampanakis, Panos > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance W= G" CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not cli= ck links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the= content is safe. I find the concept of post-quantum *maintenance* very strange. _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag