From dromasca@avaya.com Sun Nov 3 12:55:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2707411E81D0 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hhRs9L4fTgOM for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6164011E80FA for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:55:19 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhMGAPu2dlLGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABYgmYhgQu/T4EbFm0HgicBAQMSKFEBFRUUQiYBBBsah18BnEaESJw7jyeDWIEOA55uiyWDJoIq X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,627,1378872000"; d="scan'208";a="30200564" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2013 15:55:17 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2013 15:49:53 -0500 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.13]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:55:16 -0500 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: reminder - slides, note takers Thread-Index: Ac7Y1v4PJMByroJbTEW6bbl/Lg1LCQ== Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:55:15 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA12929AE1@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.46] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sacm] reminder - slides, note takers X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:55:26 -0000 The SACM meeting at IETF-88 is scheduled for tomorrow. All presenters are k= indly reminded to send us their slides as soon as possible.=20 We still need one minute taker and a jabber scribe.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan From david.waltermire@nist.gov Tue Nov 5 08:54:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF92621E8135 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:54:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u4S2Q9S9uQ-R for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0207.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.207]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F2B11E81C7 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (10.255.211.144) by BLUPR09MB039.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (10.255.211.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.815.6; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:53:59 +0000 Received: from BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.44]) by BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.44]) with mapi id 15.00.0815.000; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:53:59 +0000 From: "Waltermire, David A." To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Use Case Editing Sessions Thread-Index: AQHO2kedpMUxMn5zJ0Cbi7waRx8bBw== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:53:58 +0000 Message-ID: <89583ef26fcf4878a8babe6a0c3cb7fc@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [129.6.16.52] x-forefront-prvs: 0021920B5A x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(52254002)(52044002)(189002)(199002)(164054003)(51856001)(81816001)(53806001)(54356001)(69226001)(83072001)(63696002)(2656002)(81542001)(56776001)(74366001)(46102001)(74876001)(83322001)(87266001)(76176001)(79102001)(85306002)(76786001)(76796001)(76576001)(80976001)(80022001)(66066001)(81686001)(65816001)(56816003)(4396001)(76482001)(47736001)(77096001)(31966008)(33646001)(74706001)(59766001)(77982001)(74662001)(47446002)(74502001)(49866001)(74316001)(81342001)(54316002)(50986001)(47976001)(11634002)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR09MB039; H:BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:129.6.16.52; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov Subject: [sacm] Use Case Editing Sessions X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:54:12 -0000 We are planning to have two use case editing sessions during the IETF meeti= ng. The first will be from 2:20p to 4p today, Tuesday, Nov. 5. The second w= ill start at 5:30p on Wednesday, Nov. 6 and will likely run an hour or so. = All times are Pacific time.=0A= =0A= We are working on setting up a Webex for remote participation for anyone in= terested. Info will be sent out later today. Feel free to join when you can= .=0A= =0A= For those at the IETF meeting, we will be meeting at registration and will = find a quiet corner to establish the call. We may be a few minutes late est= ablishing the call as a result.=0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= Dave = From aawoland@cisco.com Tue Nov 5 10:43:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D4311E81C3 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:43:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=2.02, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ba8z-z2u01sc for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8862C21E8089 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:43:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=22241; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1383677011; x=1384886611; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=m/Inz7vnvfneNpcxeuObnuvtfh6KV0JhNvqIT1YwTG0=; b=bDx8STaEpZ6IWjH/vvPCsNli9av46nxygfmO9Dej9Ex5ujyO4dN8kDMQ DPjN/pQqgPyqn40URi0q3Ha9HEjdu9DPdOT8NalMBO0C6e5JjKUqkpe1N R8n3qqNgvRIyLlV4QOz4nxhByCoxcfOHXBK7OMIQYLNqdWtEATv9LaxTX 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmoYAE87eVKtJXG//2dsb2JhbAA/FwOCQ0Q4U4MIulCBYA4KgRQWbQeCJwECAiMyEQIjAQ8NDgoEDAYCBDAkAgEBAxuHeQ02nHaPCIQmjiWNAYEqfS0cB4JTNYEPA4kIoQuBO4EZUoIq X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,640,1378857600"; d="scan'208,217";a="278037608" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2013 18:43:30 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com [173.36.12.82]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rA5IhUAR023518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:43:30 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.140]) by xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com ([173.36.12.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:43:30 -0600 From: "Aaron Woland (aawoland)" To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: SACM Thread-Index: Ac7aVtme9dDSVGKGTMqfiqd6aiEIIw== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:43:29 +0000 Message-ID: <862FA31948313540BD2843B1AA96F25C4721CC11@xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.35.88.249] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_862FA31948313540BD2843B1AA96F25C4721CC11xmbrcdx01ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sacm] SACM X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:43:41 -0000 --_000_862FA31948313540BD2843B1AA96F25C4721CC11xmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 5:00 PM-7:00 PM. (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time = (US & Canada) Where: new-webex.webex.com 205 349 769 / 866.432.9903 password: SACM *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* You are the host for this online meeting. 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([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:46:28 +0100 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Aaron Woland (aawoland)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WebEx recording from 11/5/2013 Use-Cases Meeting Thread-Index: AQHO2on5onwTOSAPcEuEIL5X92NZcZoYSKzQ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:46:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1292DF72@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1292DF72AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] WebEx recording from 11/5/2013 Use-Cases Meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:46:38 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1292DF72AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent initiative, thank you and thanks for the dedicated work during th= e week. Regards, Dan From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aar= on Woland (aawoland) Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:49 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] WebEx recording from 11/5/2013 Use-Cases Meeting Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link b= elow to play it: https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&rID=3D7280972= 7&rKey=3D428f699b76a7b838 SACM-20131105 2252-1 Tuesday, November 5, 2013 5:52 pm New York Time 1 Hour 23 Minutes * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the rec= ording. * -- Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1292DF72AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Excellent initiative, tha= nk you and thanks for the dedicated work during the week.

 <= /p>

Regards,

 <= /p>

Dan

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: sacm-bou= nces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Woland (aawoland)
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:49 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: [sacm] WebEx recording from 11/5/2013 Use-Cases Meeting

 


Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link b= elow to play it: 

https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&r= ID=3D72809727&rKey=3D428f699b76a7b838 
SACM-20131105 2252-1 
Tuesday, November 5, 2013 5:52 pm New York Time 
1 Hour 23 Minutes 

* You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the rec= ording. * 

 

 

 

-- 
Regards,

Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113
Secure Access TME, SAMPG =

ciscoSystems, Inc.

 

Check out my Secure Network Acc= ess Blog at Network World

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1292DF72AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From inacio@cert.org Wed Nov 6 06:56:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF2F11E81D9 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:56:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.134 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.134 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.464, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6IVbZaRCuwrs for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from plainfield.sei.cmu.edu (plainfield.sei.cmu.edu [192.58.107.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24AE11E81D4 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from timber.sei.cmu.edu (timber.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.23]) by plainfield.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/1408) with ESMTP id rA6EtwwF008743 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:55:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cert.org; s=jthatj15xw2j; t=1383749758; bh=x5E2oXGSAyAYu8q8ht9G8zK7+wA85UnlaV4M1wLYMgw=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=gt0l3cwVqKh2PCeEviVtLnnVLf6FWUkvRptLT6qn5TBnvnrvqGqQGz3qHcyKvVmSS E2/v0HsLauxofWEYFPGgIKduWO1tsF89aqYux/6O235bdI9DtQz3nq05s5tnrf9v0l uQsSfb4JRbK0GPzZqjZ6E3/roSQG2CaLki+yAfaI= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by timber.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/1408) with ESMTP id rA6Etwbr002810 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:55:58 -0500 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.249]) with mapi id 14.02.0347.000; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:55:57 -0500 From: Chris Inacio To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 Thread-Index: Ac7a/47T/2nMLTzSQ++n/Sl8KkBLeg== Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:55:58 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698marathon_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:56:03 -0000 --_000_4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698marathon_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one feature= , is more than adequately covered in 2.5. So my basic statement is, just e= liminate 2.10. The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat contentious thou= gh. 2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and control traffic". = I'm personally on the side of adding passive inventory collection informat= ion from the network into the posture system - but I don't know if the grou= p has achieved any type of consensus on this. The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention file h= ashes. I can capture that quite easily. I would like to tighten the "voic= es" to a singular voice in the document. Or at least have it not seem like= 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it together. I know that A= aron rewrote his piece, and I generally liked his thoughts on building bloc= ks + scenario in a single section with subsections. I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like everyone el= se. Can we get some of those on the list and I can make the formatting / s= tructure fall in line? Chris --_000_4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698marathon_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one = feature, is more than adequately covered in 2.5.  So my basic statemen= t is, just eliminate 2.10.

 

The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat contentious t= hough.  2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and contr= ol traffic".  I'm personally on the side of adding passive invent= ory collection information from the network into the posture system - but I don't know if the group has achieved any type of co= nsensus on this.

 

The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention fil= e hashes.  I can capture that quite easily.  I would like to tigh= ten the "voices" to a singular voice in the document.  Or at= least have it not seem like 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it together.  I know that Aaron rewrote his piece, and= I generally liked his thoughts on building blocks + scenario in a sing= le section with subsections.

 

I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like everyone= else.  Can we get some of those on the list and I can make the format= ting / structure fall in line?

 

Chris

 

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Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:34:42 +0000 Received: from BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.56]) by BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.191]) with mapi id 15.00.0815.000; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:34:42 +0000 From: Lisa Lorenzin To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 Thread-Index: Ac7a/47T/2nMLTzSQ++n/Sl8KkBLegARoYBw Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:34:41 +0000 Message-ID: <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698@marathon> In-Reply-To: <4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.224.36] x-forefront-prvs: 0022134A87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:35:01 -0000 Hi Chris et al., Per my comments on Monday, I'd like to do something similar for 2.8 -=20 break it into two use cases, to highlight what I think are the key=20 functional points (periodic assessment and asynchronous requests /=20 updates - David, please correct me if I'm still not interpreting it correctly!), and revise format for consistency of voice with the other=20 instances. So I'm also interested in seeing the updated content on=20 the list... (I wish I could have participated last night, but I had a prior commitment - I do hope to join the session tonight!) Regards, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Chr= is Inacio Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:56 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one feature= , is more than adequately covered in 2.5. So my basic statement is, just e= liminate 2.10. =20 The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat contentious thou= gh. 2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and control traffic". = I'm personally on the side of adding passive inventory collection informat= ion from the network into the posture system - but I don't know if the grou= p has achieved any type of consensus on this. =20 The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention file h= ashes. I can capture that quite easily. I would like to tighten the "voic= es" to a singular voice in the document. Or at least have it not seem like= 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it together. I know that A= aron rewrote his piece, and I generally liked his thoughts on building bloc= ks + scenario in a single section with subsections. =20 I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like everyone el= se. Can we get some of those on the list and I can make the formatting / s= tructure fall in line? =20 Chris =20 From aawoland@cisco.com Wed Nov 6 15:44:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA6E21E80D0 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:44:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2179exwA5e9t for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14A621E8064 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:44:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=13021; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1383781450; x=1384991050; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=WG4+zhEHvnVb6mN5HtHxWRZ1gvvzvNOB+6dLu/jZdnM=; b=FF6oO+WmWB7Lk4Bw8JBINkgoakmns2z7t49n9jHQAOx/vTqGVzBZMAhw AvJry5lZE9kSreJEoJNZnzPz02WPmx/k2x1JHjZWfzNPfg00Tmjzk6Hui Comtc8Pc0kxxO2NM8pSHIlndOGwxAgw0b/AkLGTaEt8ext3ok5PBsqk5d 4=; X-Files: default.xml : 3222 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEFACHTelKtJXHA/2dsb2JhbABRCoMHOFO/LoEnFnSCJQEBAQQBAQFrFwYBCA4DBAEBKAklCxQJCAEBBAESDgaHbQ2/BI4WgRgQIgICAoQqA4kIhyaBMIJOg2CBL5BbgyaCKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,647,1378857600"; d="rels'?xml'?scan'72,48,208";a="281695307" Received: from rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com ([173.37.113.192]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2013 23:44:06 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com [173.36.12.77]) by rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rA6Ni5xS008093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:44:05 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.140]) by xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com ([173.36.12.77]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:44:05 -0600 From: "Aaron Woland (aawoland)" To: Lisa Lorenzin , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 Thread-Index: Ac7a/47T/2nMLTzSQ++n/Sl8KkBLegARoYBwAAMXpIA= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:44:04 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.35.88.254] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_CEA03D40C5B2Eaawolandciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:44:19 -0000 --_002_CEA03D40C5B2Eaawolandciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <974F914CA0C6494B8D0B97CFFB29527E@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Working with Steve Hanna, Kent, Nancy, Chris & Dave W last night, we came up with 3 major Use-Cases & their building blocks that encompassed ALL the existing use-cases; and moved those Use-Cases to =B3Usage Secenarios=B2 tha= t Steve Hanna was going to work on last night/today. Here is what we came up with; that we will be reviewing this evening. Keep in mind, NO text was deleted from the draft, simply moved to =B3usage scenarios=B2 instead of Use-Cases. We all would love some feedback, if you think it=B9s a good idea/bad idea, etc. The formatting would (of course) be better than this, and we will be sharing this out via WebEx this evening. ----- Begin Snippet from Draft ---- 2.1 SACM Use-Cases =20 2.1.1 Define, Publish and Retrieve Content This use case describes the need for content to be created, published and retrieved for the explicit use of posture evaluation. =20 The building blocks for defining, publishing and retrieving content are as follows: =B7 =20 Defining the =B3content=B2 to drive Collection & Evaluation =B7 =20 Having a mechanism to publish that =B3Content=B2 to a content repository (repository could be public, enterprise, private, anything) o Example of content: listing of posture attributes one would collect from an endpoint. Or, a SET of those posture attributes. o Another Example: Boolean logic that describes how you would evaluate the value of the posture attributes in order to make =B3some determination=B2. =B7 =20 Notification.=20 An administrator should be able to register with repository for immediate notification of new security vulnerability content that match a selection filter. =B7 =20 Query. An administrator should be able to query a content repository for an on-demand report of content. [NOTE: Should be differentiate between endpoint specific (attribute values) & endpoint independent content (checklists)] =20 2.1.2 Verify Endpoint Compliance This use case describes the need to identify an endpoint so that the applicable set of content may be selected for purposes of evaluation by an application. Applications will determine the posture-result, which is a direct outcome of the evaluation process. =20 The Building Blocks of the Automated Checklist Verification use-case are: =B7 =20 Discovery.=20 The purpose of discovery is to determine the type of endpoint to be posture assessed.=20 =B7 =20 Inventory. Need a mechanism to consume the inventory (software or hardware). =B7 =20 Query the Content. Based on inventory the application will query different stores of content to find the =B3applicabl= e=B2 content for the endpoint in question. o The content retrieved by the query will be the published content from use-case 2.1. =B7 =20 Collection.=20 The accumulation of values associated to the posture attributes resulting out of the query. o As part of collection, transport of attribute values must be stored in a repository for evaluation and mining. o Transport must take into consideration the constraints of low-bandwidth, intermittent, or high-latency links. =B7 =20 Evaluation.=20 The resulting attribute values of the Collection process are evaluated against the =B3content=B2 to provide a set of posture results. o An example evaluation could be comparing the collected attribute values against a list of known vulnerable software (=B3content=B2). o Another example evaluation might be comparing the collected attribute values against a checklist of required patches for corporate policy compliance. =B7 =20 Posture Result.=20 The end product of the collection & evaluation process is the posture result. =20 2.1.3 Mining the Database This use case describes the need for an application to be able to interact with repositories in order to identify compliant as well as anomalous endpoints. =20 The building blocks for mining the database are as follows: =B7 =20 Query a repository for attributes. o One example of querying a repository for attributes is to search for all endpoints that have a specific file or other attribute that matches a new vulnerability.=20 o Another example is to search for all endpoints that are missing a specific attribute, such as an installed application or file. o Prepare a compliance report for all endpoints that match a specific class. =B7 =20 Automated Notification. An administrator should be able to register with repository for immediate notification of new endpoints that match a specific filter or query. =20 2.2 Usage Scenarios [NOTE: We want to reference the building block from above within the scenario. I.e.: this is an example of Discovery block from 2.1.2] =20 2.2.1 A vendor manufactures a number of specialized endpoint devices. They also develop and maintain an operating system for these devices that enables end-user organizations to configure a number of security and operational settings. As part of their customer support activities, they publish a number of secure configuration guides that provide minimum security guidelines for configuring their devices. <<<<>>> Aaron --=20 Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access On 11/6/13, 6:34 PM, "Lisa Lorenzin" wrote: >Hi Chris et al., > >Per my comments on Monday, I'd like to do something similar for 2.8 - >break it into two use cases, to highlight what I think are the key >functional points (periodic assessment and asynchronous requests / >updates - David, please correct me if I'm still not interpreting it >correctly!), and revise format for consistency of voice with the other >instances. So I'm also interested in seeing the updated content on >the list... > >(I wish I could have participated last night, but I had a prior >commitment - I do hope to join the session tonight!) > > Regards, > > Lisa > >-----Original Message----- >From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Chris Inacio >Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:56 AM >To: sacm@ietf.org >Subject: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 > >I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one >feature, is more than adequately covered in 2.5. So my basic statement >is, just eliminate 2.10. > >=20 > >The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat contentious >though. 2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and control >traffic". I'm personally on the side of adding passive inventory >collection information from the network into the posture system - but I >don't know if the group has achieved any type of consensus on this. > >=20 > >The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention file >hashes. I can capture that quite easily. I would like to tighten the >"voices" to a singular voice in the document. Or at least have it not >seem like 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it together. I >know that Aaron rewrote his piece, and I generally liked his thoughts on >building blocks + scenario in a single section with subsections. > >=20 > >I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like everyone >else. 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To: Lisa Lorenzin , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 Thread-Index: AQHO21AQCKPXD4RKsU6TnqjwSUn/Jw== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:26:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4ebee6dddbd54f36bd9908035fbe782b@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> References: <4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698@marathon>, <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [129.6.16.52] x-forefront-prvs: 00235A1EEF x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(377454003)(189002)(199002)(51914003)(13464003)(74706001)(33646001)(31966008)(49866001)(77982001)(59766001)(47446002)(74502001)(74662001)(76482001)(4396001)(56816003)(47736001)(77096001)(47976001)(15975445006)(50986001)(87936001)(74316001)(54316002)(81342001)(74366001)(56776001)(83322001)(87266001)(19580405001)(46102001)(19580395003)(74876001)(54356001)(81816001)(51856001)(53806001)(1941001)(81542001)(69226001)(63696002)(2656002)(83072001)(66066001)(65816001)(80022001)(81686001)(80976001)(79102001)(76576001)(76796001)(76786001)(85306002)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR09MB039; H:BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:129.6.16.52; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 00:27:33 -0000 Thanks for the offer. Are you able to call in tonight? Dave ________________________________________ From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Lisa Loren= zin Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:34:41 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 Hi Chris et al., Per my comments on Monday, I'd like to do something similar for 2.8 - break it into two use cases, to highlight what I think are the key functional points (periodic assessment and asynchronous requests / updates - David, please correct me if I'm still not interpreting it correctly!), and revise format for consistency of voice with the other instances. So I'm also interested in seeing the updated content on the list... (I wish I could have participated last night, but I had a prior commitment - I do hope to join the session tonight!) Regards, Lisa -----Original Message----- From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Chr= is Inacio Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:56 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one feature= , is more than adequately covered in 2.5. So my basic statement is, just e= liminate 2.10. The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat contentious thou= gh. 2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and control traffic". = I'm personally on the side of adding passive inventory collection informat= ion from the network into the posture system - but I don't know if the grou= p has achieved any type of consensus on this. The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention file h= ashes. I can capture that quite easily. I would like to tighten the "voic= es" to a singular voice in the document. Or at least have it not seem like= 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it together. I know that A= aron rewrote his piece, and I generally liked his thoughts on building bloc= ks + scenario in a single section with subsections. I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like everyone el= se. Can we get some of those on the list and I can make the formatting / s= tructure fall in line? 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Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:37:28 +0000 Received: from BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.6.241]) by BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.6.92]) with mapi id 15.00.0810.005; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:37:28 +0000 From: Stephen Hanna To: "Waltermire, David A." , Lisa Lorenzin , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Editing Session Tonight Thread-Index: AQHO21GINSHwblRa40WLLXrS7IneKA== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:37:27 +0000 Message-ID: <48eb62145b3f46cca13237fe6b3b33f3@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698@marathon>, <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <4ebee6dddbd54f36bd9908035fbe782b@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <4ebee6dddbd54f36bd9908035fbe782b@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.224.54] x-forefront-prvs: 00235A1EEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: [sacm] Editing Session Tonight X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 00:38:24 -0000 I changed the subject line to better reflect the topic. For those in Vancouver, I believe that this informal editing group (design team in RFC 2418 parlance) will be meeting at the IETF reg desk at 5:30 PM PST. We'll look for an empty room and connect into the Webex from there with audio and screen-sharing. Of course, the outcome of the editing session will be totally subject to approval, rejection or modification by the WG as a whole. Thanks, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Waltermire, David A. > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:27 PM > To: Lisa Lorenzin; sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 >=20 > Thanks for the offer. Are you able to call in tonight? >=20 > Dave > ________________________________________ > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Lisa > Lorenzin > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:34:41 AM > To: sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 >=20 > Hi Chris et al., >=20 > Per my comments on Monday, I'd like to do something similar for 2.8 - > break it into two use cases, to highlight what I think are the key > functional points (periodic assessment and asynchronous requests / > updates - David, please correct me if I'm still not interpreting it > correctly!), and revise format for consistency of voice with the other > instances. So I'm also interested in seeing the updated content on > the list... >=20 > (I wish I could have participated last night, but I had a prior > commitment - I do hope to join the session tonight!) >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Lisa >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Chris Inacio > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:56 AM > To: sacm@ietf.org > Subject: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 >=20 > I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one > feature, is more than adequately covered in 2.5. So my basic statement > is, just eliminate 2.10. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat contentious > though. 2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and control > traffic". I'm personally on the side of adding passive inventory > collection information from the network into the posture system - but I > don't know if the group has achieved any type of consensus on this. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention > file hashes. I can capture that quite easily. I would like to tighten > the "voices" to a singular voice in the document. Or at least have it > not seem like 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it > together. I know that Aaron rewrote his piece, and I generally liked > his thoughts on building blocks + scenario in a single section with > subsections. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like > everyone else. Can we get some of those on the list and I can make the > formatting / structure fall in line? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Chris >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >=20 From mailer@doodle.com Wed Nov 6 17:10:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903B511E81D4 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:09:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.226 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.226 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.628, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZK1grVdcQo+t for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from worker2.doodle.com (worker2.doodle.com [188.92.145.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F128611E81CD for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from worker2.doodle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by worker2.doodle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277C69283B8 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 02:09:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 02:09:48 +0100 (CET) From: "Dan Romascanu (via Doodle)" To: sacm@ietf.org Message-ID: <1731580356.2732205.1383786588159.POLL_INVITECONTACT_PARTICIPANT_POLLEDITED.doodle@worker2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2732204_370134124.1383786588159" Subject: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan Romascanu List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 01:10:03 -0000 ------=_Part_2732204_370134124.1383786588159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Dan Romascanu (dromasca@avaya.com) has edited the Doodle poll "SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting", in which you may have already participated, and you may want to edit your entry or update your calendar. 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To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for consensus on holding a virtual interim meeting Thread-Index: Ac7bV0ORTkMbXTDtTO6KntI3vlqhYg== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:18:29 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1292FB51@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sacm] Call for consensus on holding a virtual interim meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 01:18:50 -0000 Hi, As discussed in the WG meeting on Monday, we propose to hold a Virtual Inte= rim meeting in the week of the 12/16, with the purpose of working towards f= inalizing the use cases and requirements documents and making progress towa= rds the architecture document. The proposed duration of the virtual interim= meeting will be two hours.=20 According to the IETF rules the meeting will be open to all participants. W= e shall use Webex to share document and organize the voice conference. Acco= rding to the IETF rules the meeting needs to be announced 30 days in advanc= e - so we need to chose a date in the next week.=20 In the meeting the participants in the room had no objection to holding the= meeting. If there are any concerns (including from people who could not at= tend the meeting in Vancouver) please express them now.=20 If you are interested in attending the meeting please fill in the Doodle po= ll announced on the list. The link is http://doodle.com/vnwktt6msfpxavgz.=20 Please answer this before Tuesday 11/12 COB.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 From shanna@juniper.net Wed Nov 6 17:21:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C1611E81EA for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:21:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.016 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.016 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.583, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wNhbwVy+DndV for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from co9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co9ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [207.46.163.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A5F11E81FA for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail166-co9-R.bigfish.com (10.236.132.242) by CO9EHSOBE013.bigfish.com (10.236.130.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; 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Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0510HT001.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.101) by CO9EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (10.236.130.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:21:06 +0000 Received: from BLUPR05MB322.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.24.25) by BL2PRD0510HT001.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.255.100.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.371.2; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:21:05 +0000 Received: from BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.24.26) by BLUPR05MB322.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.24.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.810.5; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:21:03 +0000 Received: from BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.6.241]) by BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.6.92]) with mapi id 15.00.0810.005; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:21:03 +0000 From: Stephen Hanna To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Usage Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO21efhhxnkyDAzEWjXjWMTNIJeA== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:21:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.241.10] x-forefront-prvs: 00235A1EEF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_ac428f0f2c7344af952ec014b43e5cabBLUPR05MB323namprd05pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: [sacm] Usage Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 01:21:15 -0000 --_002_ac428f0f2c7344af952ec014b43e5cabBLUPR05MB323namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Aaron noted below, I have been working on the usage scenarios, mainly annotating each one with a list of Building Blocks used. Here (attached) is the file that I have. Look at the end to find the usage scenarios. This work will need to be revisited as the Building Blocks change. We can review this tonight if we have time after reviewing the Building Blocks. I also hope this will stir up a healthy discussion on the list! Thanks, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Aaron Woland (aawoland) > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:44 PM > To: Lisa Lorenzin; sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 >=20 > All, >=20 > Working with Steve Hanna, Kent, Nancy, Chris & Dave W last night, we > came > up with 3 major Use-Cases & their building blocks that encompassed ALL > the > existing use-cases; and moved those Use-Cases to =B3Usage Secenarios=B2 > that > Steve Hanna was going to work on last night/today. >=20 > Here is what we came up with; that we will be reviewing this evening. > Keep in mind, NO text was deleted from the draft, simply moved to > =B3usage > scenarios=B2 instead of Use-Cases. We all would love some feedback, if > you > think it=B9s a good idea/bad idea, etc. >=20 > The formatting would (of course) be better than this, and we will be > sharing this out via WebEx this evening. >=20 >=20 > ----- Begin Snippet from Draft ---- >=20 > 2.1 SACM Use-Cases >=20 > 2.1.1 Define, Publish and Retrieve Content > This use case describes the need for content to be > created, published and retrieved for the explicit use of posture > evaluation. >=20 > The building blocks for defining, publishing and > retrieving content are as follows: > =B7 > Defining the =B3content=B2 to drive Collection & Evaluation > =B7 > Having a mechanism to publish that =B3Content=B2 to a content repository > (repository could be public, enterprise, private, anything) > o Example > of content: listing of posture attributes > one would collect from an endpoint. Or, > a SET of those posture attributes. > o Another > Example: Boolean logic that describes > how you would evaluate the value of the posture attributes in order to > make > =B3some determination=B2. > =B7 > Notification. > An administrator should be able to register with repository for > immediate notification of new security vulnerability content that match > a > selection filter. > =B7 > Query. An > administrator should be able to query a content repository for an on- > demand > report of content. > [NOTE: Should be differentiate > between endpoint specific (attribute values) & endpoint independent > content > (checklists)] >=20 > 2.1.2 Verify > Endpoint Compliance > This use case describes the need to identify an endpoint > so that the applicable set of content may be selected for purposes of > evaluation by an application. Applications > will determine the posture-result, which is a direct outcome of the > evaluation > process. >=20 > The Building Blocks of the Automated Checklist > Verification use-case are: > =B7 > Discovery. > The purpose of discovery is to determine the type of endpoint to be > posture assessed. > =B7 > Inventory. Need a mechanism to consume the > inventory (software or hardware). > =B7 > Query the Content. Based on inventory the > application will query different stores of content to find the > =B3applicable=B2 > content for the endpoint in question. > o The > content retrieved by the query will be the published content from use- > case > 2.1. > =B7 > Collection. > The accumulation of values associated to the posture attributes > resulting out of the query. > o As > part of collection, transport of attribute values must be stored in a > repository for evaluation and mining. > o Transport > must take into consideration the constraints of low-bandwidth, > intermittent, or > high-latency links. > =B7 > Evaluation. > The resulting attribute values of the Collection process are evaluated > against the =B3content=B2 to provide a set of posture results. > o An > example evaluation could be comparing the collected attribute values > against a > list of known vulnerable software (=B3content=B2). > o Another > example evaluation might be comparing the collected attribute values > against a > checklist of required patches for corporate policy compliance. > =B7 > Posture Result. > The end product of the collection & evaluation process is the > posture result. >=20 > 2.1.3 Mining the > Database > This use case describes the need for an application to be > able to interact with repositories in order to identify compliant as > well > as > anomalous endpoints. >=20 > The building blocks for mining the database are as > follows: > =B7 > Query a repository for attributes. > o One > example of querying a repository for attributes is to search for all > endpoints > that have a specific file or other attribute that matches a new > vulnerability. > o Another > example is to search for all endpoints that are missing a specific > attribute, such > as an installed application or file. > o Prepare > a compliance report for all endpoints that match a specific class. > =B7 > Automated Notification. An administrator should be able to register > with repository for immediate notification of new endpoints that match > a > specific filter or query. >=20 > 2.2 Usage Scenarios > [NOTE: We want to reference the building block from > above within the scenario. I.e.: this is > an example of Discovery block from 2.1.2] >=20 > 2.2.1 A vendor manufactures a number of > specialized endpoint devices. They also > develop and maintain an operating system for these devices that enables > end-user organizations to configure a number of security and > operational > settings. As part of their customer support > activities, they publish a number of secure configuration guides that > provide minimum > security guidelines for configuring their devices. >=20 >=20 > <<<<>>> >=20 > Aaron >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Regards, >=20 > Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 > Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. > Check out my Secure Network Access Blog > at Network World > Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access > bin/click?id=3D176dglGj6oU&offerid=3D145238.10 > 000263&type=3D1&subid=3D0> >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 11/6/13, 6:34 PM, "Lisa Lorenzin" wrote: >=20 > >Hi Chris et al., > > > >Per my comments on Monday, I'd like to do something similar for 2.8 - > >break it into two use cases, to highlight what I think are the key > >functional points (periodic assessment and asynchronous requests / > >updates - David, please correct me if I'm still not interpreting it > >correctly!), and revise format for consistency of voice with the other > >instances. So I'm also interested in seeing the updated content on > >the list... > > > >(I wish I could have participated last night, but I had a prior > >commitment - I do hope to join the session tonight!) > > > > Regards, > > > > Lisa > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of > >Chris Inacio > >Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:56 AM > >To: sacm@ietf.org > >Subject: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 > > > >I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one > >feature, is more than adequately covered in 2.5. So my basic > statement > >is, just eliminate 2.10. > > > > > > > >The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat contentious > >though. 2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and control > >traffic". I'm personally on the side of adding passive inventory > >collection information from the network into the posture system - but > I > >don't know if the group has achieved any type of consensus on this. > > > > > > > >The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention > file > >hashes. I can capture that quite easily. I would like to tighten the > >"voices" to a singular voice in the document. Or at least have it not > >seem like 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it together. > I > >know that Aaron rewrote his piece, and I generally liked his thoughts > on > >building blocks + scenario in a single section with subsections. > > > > > > > >I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like > everyone > >else. 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Montville" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:35:51 -0800 Message-Id: <30FD5FCE-ADB0-477A-9365-2253415B9971@gmail.com> References: <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> To: Stephen Hanna X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1816) Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sacm] Usage Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 01:36:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9BFBB3CB-9FEE-43FA-AB9D-51F3A61CEFE0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I had an opportunity to look at the first several building blocks and = have offered some naming suggestions for what they might be worth. 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Nov 2013 01:42:00 +0000 Message-ID: <8a8599ff50d042dd836b7706d486a4f5@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D817454832698@marathon>, <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <4ebee6dddbd54f36bd9908035fbe782b@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> <48eb62145b3f46cca13237fe6b3b33f3@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <48eb62145b3f46cca13237fe6b3b33f3@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.241.13] x-forefront-prvs: 00235A1EEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: Re: [sacm] Editing Session Tonight X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 01:42:27 -0000 FYI, we ended up in the Plaza A meeting room on the second floor. Thanks, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Stephen Hanna > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:37 PM > To: Waltermire, David A.; Lisa Lorenzin; sacm@ietf.org > Subject: [sacm] Editing Session Tonight >=20 > I changed the subject line to better reflect the topic. >=20 > For those in Vancouver, I believe that this informal editing > group (design team in RFC 2418 parlance) will be meeting at > the IETF reg desk at 5:30 PM PST. We'll look for an empty > room and connect into the Webex from there with audio and > screen-sharing. >=20 > Of course, the outcome of the editing session will be > totally subject to approval, rejection or modification > by the WG as a whole. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Steve >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of > > Waltermire, David A. > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:27 PM > > To: Lisa Lorenzin; sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 > > > > Thanks for the offer. Are you able to call in tonight? > > > > Dave > > ________________________________________ > > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Lisa > > Lorenzin > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:34:41 AM > > To: sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 > > > > Hi Chris et al., > > > > Per my comments on Monday, I'd like to do something similar for 2.8 - > > break it into two use cases, to highlight what I think are the key > > functional points (periodic assessment and asynchronous requests / > > updates - David, please correct me if I'm still not interpreting it > > correctly!), and revise format for consistency of voice with the > other > > instances. So I'm also interested in seeing the updated content on > > the list... > > > > (I wish I could have participated last night, but I had a prior > > commitment - I do hope to join the session tonight!) > > > > Regards, > > > > Lisa > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of > > Chris Inacio > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:56 AM > > To: sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: [sacm] combining use case 2.5 & 2.10 > > > > I read through 2.5 & 2.10 pretty carefully and everything, save one > > feature, is more than adequately covered in 2.5. So my basic > statement > > is, just eliminate 2.10. > > > > > > > > The point that 2.10 contains that isn't in 2.5 is somewhat > contentious > > though. 2.10 makes the point of capturing "e.g. command and control > > traffic". I'm personally on the side of adding passive inventory > > collection information from the network into the posture system - but > I > > don't know if the group has achieved any type of consensus on this. > > > > > > > > The only other detail that 2.10 calls out is to specifically mention > > file hashes. I can capture that quite easily. I would like to > tighten > > the "voices" to a singular voice in the document. Or at least have > it > > not seem like 8 people just wrote a paragraph and we dropped it > > together. I know that Aaron rewrote his piece, and I generally liked > > his thoughts on building blocks + scenario in a single section with > > subsections. > > > > > > > > I can tweak 2.5 pretty quickly, but I want to structure it like > > everyone else. Can we get some of those on the list and I can make > the > > formatting / structure fall in line? > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >=20 From david.waltermire@nist.gov Wed Nov 6 17:51:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C79421E8191 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ISRo5Fh+Qe-G for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0235.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAF521E8168 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (10.255.211.144) by BLUPR09MB037.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (10.255.211.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.815.6; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:50:20 +0000 Received: from BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.44]) by BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.44]) with mapi id 15.00.0815.000; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:50:20 +0000 From: "Waltermire, David A." To: "Adam W. Montville" , Stephen Hanna Thread-Topic: [sacm] Usage Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO21erGIIq2qq8okq1t/0Jl7IVepoY/LKAgAADwjU= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:50:19 +0000 Message-ID: <7eac0a99bd0245a5b68767fe1c5ea8a1@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> References: <4909eec45c6c4e5b9fa6523a2cc025ab@BL2PR05MB163.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> , <30FD5FCE-ADB0-477A-9365-2253415B9971@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30FD5FCE-ADB0-477A-9365-2253415B9971@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [2001:67c:370:160:25b0:a9c4:5811:4801] x-forefront-prvs: 00235A1EEF x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(189002)(199002)(377454003)(65816001)(80022001)(74662001)(80976001)(74316001)(2656002)(74706001)(81816001)(76482001)(85306002)(56776001)(74876001)(33646001)(69226001)(81686001)(54316002)(81342001)(59766001)(79102001)(81542001)(74366001)(53806001)(1941001)(51856001)(46102001)(87266001)(19580395003)(77096001)(47446002)(50986001)(47736001)(74502001)(56816003)(63696002)(77982001)(54356001)(83072001)(19580405001)(47976001)(83322001)(4396001)(76786001)(31966008)(49866001)(76576001)(76796001)(87936001)(24736002)(3826001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR09MB037; H:BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:2001:67c:370:160:25b0:a9c4:5811:4801; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sacm] Usage Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 01:51:40 -0000 Here is the 2.15 to 2.18 text:=0A= =0A= Identification and Retrieval of Repository Content=0A= =0A= In preparation for performing an assessment, an operator or autonomous syst= em will need to identify one or more content repositories that contain the = content entries necessary to perform data collection and evaluation tasks. = The location of a given content entry will either be known a priori or know= n content repositories will need to be queried to determine the location of= applicable content.=0A= =0A= To query the location of appropriate content, a repository will need to be = queried using a user selectable combination of publication metadata (e.g. p= ublishing identity, create time, modification time) and content-specific cr= iteria. Once the appropriate locations of content have been identified, one= or more requests can be made to retrieve the content. A variation on this = approach would be to maintain a local cache of previously retrieved content= . In this case, only content that is determined to be stale by some measure= will be identified for retrieval.=0A= =0A= Once the locations of all necessary content have been identified, the conte= nt will be retrieved using one or more requests based on the operator=92s a= uthorized level of access.=0A= Alternately, content can be discovered by iterating over content published = with a given context within a content repository. Applicable content can be= retrieved as needed.=0A= =0A= Notification of Content Changes=0A= An operator may need to identify new, updated, or deleted content in a cont= ent repository for which they have been authorized to access. This may be a= chieved by querying or iterating over content in a content repository, or t= hrough a notification mechanism that describes changes made to a content re= pository.=0A= =0A= Once content changes have been determined, data collection and evaluation a= ctivities may be triggered.=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Adam W. Mo= ntville =0A= Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:35 AM=0A= To: Stephen Hanna=0A= Cc: sacm@ietf.org=0A= Subject: Re: [sacm] Usage Scenarios=0A= =0A= I had an opportunity to look at the first several building blocks and have = offered some naming suggestions for what they might be worth. I need to at= tend the ops plenary, so I'm not going to be able to make the meeting live.= =0A= =0A= From aawoland@cisco.com Wed Nov 6 19:47:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAD311E81E9 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:47:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eUJpnOzVjBCX for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BBF11E80F5 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:47:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=72405; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1383796071; x=1385005671; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=wikR/wmusrh/wrGOjDCYRnyMXNXAWZiDplqTqg7Ujp8=; b=LTU1rNyZpCBLNWr+CaUTezGwCk56mRWvDBIPIVaRESRjnXF2vSBDUjSW XxDAhleApDKwnxVV/o6XinkegxZm2uta8mVx3ywb6W2HnqEby51VC0xJI +tIuf7pvvakQUWK8hsiMC9FmzVtHQ6vkmHHrWDO/lf6kD3Z2+QTxnn4P4 c=; X-Files: Use-Cases_v02_AWM_ATW.docx : 34206 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkgIAO0Ge1KtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABAGoJDRDhTtlmIQ4EpFm0HgiwtXgFAAQ8wJwQhBodtDTacX6FIjz4XhDsDkC6HXoEvkFuDJoIq X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,648,1378857600"; d="xml'?rels'?docx'72,48?scan'72,48,208,217,72,48";a="281753497" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2013 03:47:50 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com [173.36.12.78]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rA73loUe013046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 03:47:50 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.140]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:47:50 -0600 From: "Aaron Woland (aawoland)" To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wghRij15+wP0qThm2XrpV9eg== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 03:47:49 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.35.88.254] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_CEA07782C5B8Caawolandciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 03:47:56 -0000 --_004_CEA07782C5B8Caawolandciscocom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CEA07782C5B8Caawolandciscocom_" --_000_CEA07782C5B8Caawolandciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group w= ho met in Plaza A. 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Received: from D2IBLPRHQ107.dhs.gov (192.168.49.137) by D2IBLPRHQ101.dhs.gov (10.82.0.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:54:38 -0500 Received: from D2ABLPRHQ103.DSA.DHS (10.237.115.14) by D2IBLPRHQ107.dhs.gov (10.82.4.54) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:50:38 -0500 Received: from D2ASEPREA006.DSA.DHS ([169.254.10.167]) by D2ABLPRHQ103.DSA.DHS ([fe80::15d4:e9b9:8b5:7449%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:39:38 -0500 From: "Watson, Kimberly" To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wsrrVmwUOfCkKPDLVw7EaLzpoZ8wAA Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:39:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.239.235.233] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E96AF2CDB5A3BF4E8F88AC07C83560B11F9F62D2ASEPREA006DSADH_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hq.dhs.gov X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 16:40:29 -0000 --_000_E96AF2CDB5A3BF4E8F88AC07C83560B11F9F62D2ASEPREA006DSADH_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts...I have not ha= d time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or no= t... I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that = have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security posture = assessment... So we need: Object discovery - to know what items need to have posture assessed Object inventory - to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associate b= oth desired state and content with objects Desired state definition - to define the desired state of attributes for as= sessment Content creation/acquisition - to drive collection of required attributes f= rom objects for assessment Posture Attribute Collection - to collect the necessary attributes from obj= ects for assessment Posture Evaluation - to compare what was collected to the Desired state def= inition for the actual assessment result If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot separ= ate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue allowing the = definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and potent= ially "bad" to require it to be in the content. (in this context, "bad" mea= ns that it might actually limit applicability to some of our scenarios in a= manner that scales). I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on dif= ferent triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks trigger assessment when new object is discovered, periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new assessment = to items in inventory, reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired state= , reassess/collect with new content, collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes and do them under different/particular operational constraints -- Kim Watson Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 From: Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group w= ho met in Plaza A. Here is the meeting recording: Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link b= elow to play it: https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&rID=3D7285197= 2&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5 SACM-20131107 0142-1 Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 2 Hours 3 Minutes * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the rec= ording. * -- Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access --_000_E96AF2CDB5A3BF4E8F88AC07C83560B11F9F62D2ASEPREA006DSADH_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In reading the building b= locks section, I had some thoughts…I have not had time to watch the r= ecordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or not…

 <= /p>

I propose that there are = objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that have attributes that we w= ant to know or verify as part of security posture assessment…

 <= /p>

So we need:

 <= /p>

Object discovery – = to know what items need to have posture assessed

Object inventory – = to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associate both desired state a= nd content with objects

Desired state definition = – to define the desired state of attributes for assessment=

Content creation/acquisit= ion – to drive collection of required attributes from objects for ass= essment

Posture Attribute Collect= ion – to collect the necessary attributes from objects for assessment=

Posture Evaluation –= ; to compare what was collected to the Desired state definition for the act= ual assessment result

 <= /p>

If you do not call out a = desired state specification, then you cannot separate evaluation from colle= ction where desired. I have no issue allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and potentially R= 20;bad” to require it to be in the content. (in this context, “= bad” means that it might actually limit applicability to some of our = scenarios in a manner that scales).

 <= /p>

I think all the combinati= on of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on different triggers for asses= sment associated with these building blocks

 <= /p>

trigger assessment when n= ew object is discovered,

periodically assess every= thing in inventory or define/apply new assessment to items in inventory,

reassess with new desired= state or create new content for new desired state,

reassess/collect with new= content,

collect when attribute ch= anges, content changes, or periodically,

evaluate against new desi= red state or with new collected attributes

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

and do them under differe= nt/particular operational constraints

--

Kim Watson

Office of Cybersecurity a= nd Communications

Federal Network Resilienc= e

Blackberry: (202) 494-253= 4

 <= /p>

From: Aaron Wo= land (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

 

This version has the changes/comments from S= teve, Adam & the entire group who met in Plaza A.

 

Here is the meeting recording:

 

Your recording is now available on the WebEx = service site. Click the link below to play it: 

https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&r= ID=3D72851972&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5 
SACM-20131107 0142-1 
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 
2 Hours 3 Minutes 

* You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the rec= ording. * 

 

 

 

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Regards,

Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113
Secure Access TME, SAMPG =

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--_000_E96AF2CDB5A3BF4E8F88AC07C83560B11F9F62D2ASEPREA006DSADH_-- From pkampana@cisco.com Thu Nov 7 08:42:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C608B21F9BD5 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:42:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.398, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NchD1wFC0Dqi for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B423E11E80DC for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:42:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10199; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1383842551; x=1385052151; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=8JfzjOcWEZMxaDTbGNPqHxgZqYIa0dycC/8NpBMQj70=; b=MwyStkFlS5NBtJT/DCLDCbltUOQPL38PVxnxASgoOBCIbDitWKAHCWgv 4LbKh9Hduq4fnaYw+UW1cw/RKvYDYZlQavVXOz9YrPYvAyQZyTR/tbSbd sypQSFuprCYvzm6BOA/zlhzqxjp6xfOKyfr549r66woi1XMKVLIBSZXzA s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikGAIHBe1KtJV2b/2dsb2JhbABAGoJDRDhTtkqIRIElFnSCJQEBAQQtXAIBCBEEAQELHQcyFAkIAgQBEggMh20NNrxCjygtCgEGgxqBEAOZO5BbgyaCKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,652,1378857600"; d="scan'208,217";a="282090072" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2013 16:42:18 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com [173.36.12.81]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rA7GgICM012613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:42:18 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.47]) by xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com ([173.36.12.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:42:18 -0600 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: "Aaron Woland (aawoland)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wghRij15+wP0qThm2XrpV9epoZ98Wg Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:42:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1C9F17D1873AFA47A969C4DD98F98A750FA7D0DB@xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [64.102.89.116] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1C9F17D1873AFA47A969C4DD98F98A750FA7D0DBxmbrcdx10ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 16:42:42 -0000 --_000_1C9F17D1873AFA47A969C4DD98F98A750FA7D0DBxmbrcdx10ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think setting the building blocks and then defining the usage scenarios i= s a good idea. I agree with Steve in that 2.2.6 can be removed since it is very similar to= 2.2.2 and 2.2.3 together. Same for 2.2.7, 2.2.8, 2.2.9, 2.2.10 and 2.2.12 = being variations of 2.2.2. I think consolidating and avoiding redundant use= cases will help the doc be shorter and readable. Panos From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aar= on Woland (aawoland) Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group w= ho met in Plaza A. Here is the meeting recording: Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link b= elow to play it: https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&rID=3D7285197= 2&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5 SACM-20131107 0142-1 Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 2 Hours 3 Minutes * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the rec= ording. * -- Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access --_000_1C9F17D1873AFA47A969C4DD98F98A750FA7D0DBxmbrcdx10ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think setting the build= ing blocks and then defining the usage scenarios is a good idea.=

 <= /p>

I agree with Steve in tha= t 2.2.6 can be removed since it is very similar to 2.2.2 and 2.2.3 together= . Same for 2.2.7, 2.2.8, 2.2.9, 2.2.10 and 2.2.12 being variations of 2.2.2. I think consolidating and avoiding redundant usecases= will help the doc be shorter and readable.

 <= /p>

Panos

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: sacm-bou= nces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Woland (aawoland)
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

 

This version has the changes/comments from S= teve, Adam & the entire group who met in Plaza A.

 

Here is the meeting recording:

 

Your recording is now available on the WebEx = service site. Click the link below to play it: 

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--_000_1C9F17D1873AFA47A969C4DD98F98A750FA7D0DBxmbrcdx10ciscoc_-- From Adam.Montville@cisecurity.org Thu Nov 7 11:07:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABF111E8222 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:07:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.927 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.927 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.726, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eqrHHx6d4sPY for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com [216.82.251.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537BD11E8118 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.82.250.19:39866] by server-4.bemta-12.messagelabs.com id EC/FB-12220-505EB725; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:07:49 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Adam.Montville@cisecurity.org X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-87.messagelabs.com!1383851268!13820169!2 X-Originating-IP: [69.195.43.86] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=cisecurity.org,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 2700 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2013 19:07:49 -0000 Received: from mail.msisac.org (HELO mail.msisac.org) (69.195.43.86) by server-5.tower-87.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Nov 2013 19:07:49 -0000 Received: from CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local ([fe80::4f0:b68d:e779:38c3]) by CISEXCHANGE2.msisac.org.local ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0347.000; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:06:44 -0500 From: Adam Montville To: "Watson, Kimberly" , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wghRij15+wP0qThm2XrpV9epoaTN8A///Q+X0= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:06:48 +0000 Message-ID: <05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065C911C@CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local> References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.252.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065C911CCISEXCHANGE1msi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:07:55 -0000 --_000_05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065C911CCISEXCHANGE1msi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think a lot of the good comments here and elsewhere on the work that is = being done this week are predicated on stabilizing our terminology. I think it might benefit us to think almost in taxonomic ways. To use "co= ntent" as an example, we could represent the concept as follows: Content | +-- Assessment Content | +-- Collection Content | +-- Evaluation Content +-- Reporting Content Or something like that. If we look at the domain like this, then we can (= in 2.1.1 of the most recent Word document sent yesterday evening) be preci= se when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose to, if warranted, wr= ite that Assessment Content Definition is a building block for the "Define= , Publish, Query, and Retrieve Content" use case instead of "Content Defin= ition" or otherwise do something similar. Aside: I was not able to join the WebEx for the duration of the meeting an= d even when I was joined I could pay attention only part of the time, so t= here may have been some discussion about=20what I am about to write. Does= it make sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve into sepa= rate use cases? Other suggestions/comments: * "Repository Content Query" --> "Repository Query". This makes it clear = that the repository is being queried and not the information represented b= y the content the repository holds. * Does it make sense to reorder the words in some of our terms? For examp= le, instead of saying "Assessment Content Definition" should we make it mo= re active by writing "Define Assessment Content"? * In 2.1.3 it might make things clearer to be more precise about the repos= itory we mean: "Query a repository..." to "Query an Assessment Results Rep= ository" (or something similar). * The title for 2.1.3 might assume less of a database if it read something= like "Mining Available Assessment Information" or something like that. Thoughts? Adam ________________________________ From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Watson, K= imberly [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts=85I have not h= ad time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or = not=85 I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that= have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security postur= e assessment=85 So we need: Object discovery =96 to know what items need to have posture assessed Object inventory =96 to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associat= e both desired state and content with objects Desired state definition =96 to define the desired state of attributes for= assessment Content creation/acquisition =96 to drive collection of required attribute= s from objects for assessment Posture Attribute Collection =96 to collect the necessary attributes from = objects for assessment Posture Evaluation =96 to compare what was collected to the Desired state = definition for the actual assessment result If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot sepa= rate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue allowing th= e definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and pot= entially =93bad=94 to require it to be in the content. (in this context, =93= bad=94 means that it might actually limit applicability to some of our sce= narios in a manner that scales). I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on di= fferent triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks trigger assessment when new object is discovered, periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new assessment= to items in inventory, reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired stat= e, reassess/collect with new content, collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes and do them under different/particular operational constraints -- Kim Watson Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 From: Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group = who met in Plaza A. Here is the meeting recording: Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link = below to play it: https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&rID=3D728519= 72&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5 SACM-20131107 0142-1 Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 2 Hours 3 Minutes * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the re= cording. * -- Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access ... . . . --_000_05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065C911CCISEXCHANGE1msi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think a lot of the good comments here and elsewhere on the work = that is being done this week are predicated on stabilizing our terminology= .  

I think it might benefit us to think almost in taxonomic ways.  = To use "content" as an example, we could represent the concept a= s follows:

Content
    |
    +-- Assessment Content
    |       += -- Collection Content
    |       += -- Evaluation Content
    +-- Reporting Content

Or something like that.  If we look at the domain like this, the= n we can (in 2.1.1 of the most recent Word document sent yesterday evening= ) be precise when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose = to, if warranted, write that Assessment Content Definition is a building block for the "Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve Co= ntent" use case instead of "Content Definition" or otherwis= e do something similar.

Aside: I was not able to join the WebEx for the duration of the meeti= ng and even when I was joined I could pay attention only part of the time,= so there may have been some discussion about what I am about to write. &n= bsp;Does it make sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve into separate use cases?

Other suggestions/comments:

* "Repository Content Query" --> "Repository Query&= quot;.  This makes it clear that the repository is being queried and = not the information represented by the content the repository holds.
=

* Does it make sense to reorder the words in some of our terms?  = ;For example, instead of saying "Assessment Content Definition" = should we make it more active by writing "Define Assessment Content&q= uot;?

* In 2.1.3 it might make things clearer to be more precise about the = repository we mean: "Query a repository..." to "Query an As= sessment Results Repository" (or something similar).  

* The title for 2.1.3 might assume less of a database if it read some= thing like "Mining Available Assessment Information" or somethin= g like that.  


Thoughts?

Adam

From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bounc= es@ietf.org] on behalf of Watson, Kimberly [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

In reading the buildi= ng blocks section, I had some thoughts=85I have not had time to watch the = recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or not=85

 

I propose that there = are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that have attributes that= we want to know or verify as part of security posture assessment=85

 

So we need:

 

Object discovery =96 = to know what items need to have posture assessed

Object inventory =96 = to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associate both desired state = and content with objects

Desired state definit= ion =96 to define the desired state of attributes for assessment

Content creation/acqu= isition =96 to drive collection of required attributes from objects for as= sessment

Posture Attribute Col= lection =96 to collect the necessary attributes from objects for assessmen= t

Posture Evaluation =96= to compare what was collected to the Desired state definition for the act= ual assessment result

 

If you do not call ou= t a desired state specification, then you cannot separate evaluation from = collection where desired. I have no issue allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and potentially =93= bad=94 to require it to be in the content. (in this context, =93bad=94 mea= ns that it might actually limit applicability to some of our scenarios in = a manner that scales).

 

I think all the combi= nation of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on different triggers for = assessment associated with these building blocks

 

trigger assessment wh= en new object is discovered,

periodically assess e= verything in inventory or define/apply new assessment to items in inventor= y,

reassess with new des= ired state or create new content for new desired state,

reassess/collect with= new content,

collect when attribut= e changes, content changes, or periodically,

evaluate against new = desired state or with new collected attributes

 

 

and do them under dif= ferent/particular operational constraints

--

Kim Watson

=

Office of Cybersecuri= ty and Communications

Federal Network Resil= ience

Blackberry: (202) 494= -2534

 

From: Aar= on Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios=

 

This version has the changes/comments fro= m Steve, Adam & the entire group who met in Plaza A.

 

Here is the meeting recording:

=

 

Your recording is now available on the Web= Ex service site. Click the link below to play it: 

https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&= amp;rID=3D72851972&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5&= nbsp;

SACM-20131107 0142-1 
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 
2 Hours 3 Minutes 

* You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the re= cording. * 

 

 

 

-- 
Regards,

Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113
Secure Access TME, SAMPG 

ciscoSystems, Inc.

 

Check out my = Secure Network Access Blog at Network World


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam, I like all your comments! We struggled last night with the meaning of the word "content". In the end,= we decided to just use that word to mean roughly "all the data items you n= eed to collect and evaluate endpoint posture attributes, including the coll= ected attribute values and maybe even results". I'm sure that we need to br= eak this down further and come up with names for all the kinds of data item= s. Your taxonomy starts down that road. I'm not an expert in this area. Can= you or someone else extend your taxonomy to a finer level of detail and ma= ke sure that it includes collected attribute values and posture results? Thanks, Steve From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ada= m Montville Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:07 PM To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios I think a lot of the good comments here and elsewhere on the work that is b= eing done this week are predicated on stabilizing our terminology. I think it might benefit us to think almost in taxonomic ways. To use "con= tent" as an example, we could represent the concept as follows: Content | +-- Assessment Content | +-- Collection Content | +-- Evaluation Content +-- Reporting Content Or something like that. If we look at the domain like this, then we can (i= n 2.1.1 of the most recent Word document sent yesterday evening) be precise= when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose to, if warranted, write= that Assessment Content Definition is a building block for the "Define, Pu= blish, Query, and Retrieve Content" use case instead of "Content Definition= " or otherwise do something similar. Aside: I was not able to join the WebEx for the duration of the meeting and= even when I was joined I could pay attention only part of the time, so the= re may have been some discussion about what I am about to write. Does it m= ake sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve into separate u= se cases? Other suggestions/comments: * "Repository Content Query" --> "Repository Query". This makes it clear t= hat the repository is being queried and not the information represented by = the content the repository holds. * Does it make sense to reorder the words in some of our terms? For exampl= e, instead of saying "Assessment Content Definition" should we make it more= active by writing "Define Assessment Content"? * In 2.1.3 it might make things clearer to be more precise about the reposi= tory we mean: "Query a repository..." to "Query an Assessment Results Repos= itory" (or something similar). * The title for 2.1.3 might assume less of a database if it read something = like "Mining Available Assessment Information" or something like that. Thoughts? Adam ________________________________ From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bounces@iet= f.org] on behalf of Watson, Kimberly [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts...I have not ha= d time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or no= t... I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that = have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security posture = assessment... So we need: Object discovery - to know what items need to have posture assessed Object inventory - to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associate b= oth desired state and content with objects Desired state definition - to define the desired state of attributes for as= sessment Content creation/acquisition - to drive collection of required attributes f= rom objects for assessment Posture Attribute Collection - to collect the necessary attributes from obj= ects for assessment Posture Evaluation - to compare what was collected to the Desired state def= inition for the actual assessment result If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot separ= ate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue allowing the = definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and potent= ially "bad" to require it to be in the content. (in this context, "bad" mea= ns that it might actually limit applicability to some of our scenarios in a= manner that scales). I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on dif= ferent triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks trigger assessment when new object is discovered, periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new assessment = to items in inventory, reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired state= , reassess/collect with new content, collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes and do them under different/particular operational constraints -- Kim Watson Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 From: Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group w= ho met in Plaza A. Here is the meeting recording: Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link b= elow to play it: https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&rID=3D7285197= 2&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5 SACM-20131107 0142-1 Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 2 Hours 3 Minutes * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the rec= ording. * -- Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access ... . . . --_000_67a34ef11cc84ba8924397557b8013e1BLUPR05MB323namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Adam,

 <= /p>

I like all your comments!=

 <= /p>

We struggled last night w= ith the meaning of the word “content”. In the end, we decided t= o just use that word to mean roughly “all the data items you need to collect and evaluate endpoint posture attributes, including the collected = attribute values and maybe even results”. I’m sure that we need= to break this down further and come up with names for all the kinds of dat= a items. Your taxonomy starts down that road. I’m not an expert in this area. Can you or someone else extend your = taxonomy to a finer level of detail and make sure that it includes collecte= d attribute values and posture results?

 <= /p>

Thanks,=

 <= /p>

Steve

 <= /p>

From: sacm-bou= nces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:07 PM
To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

 

I think a lot of the good co= mments here and elsewhere on the work that is being done this week are pred= icated on stabilizing our terminology.  

 

I think it might benefit us = to think almost in taxonomic ways.  To use "content" as an e= xample, we could represent the concept as follows:

 

Content

    |=

    +-- Assessment Content

    |       +-- C= ollection Content

    |       +-- E= valuation Content

    +-- Reporting Content=

 

Or something like that. &nbs= p;If we look at the domain like this, then we can (in 2.1.1 of the most rec= ent Word document sent yesterday evening) be precise when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose to, if warranted, wri= te that Assessment Content Definition is a building block for the "Def= ine, Publish, Query, and Retrieve Content" use case instead of "C= ontent Definition" or otherwise do something similar.

 

Aside: I was not able to joi= n the WebEx for the duration of the meeting and even when I was joined I co= uld pay attention only part of the time, so there may have been some discussion about what I am about to write.  Does it make se= nse to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve into separate use cas= es?

 

Other suggestions/comments:<= o:p>

 

* "Repository Content Q= uery" --> "Repository Query".  This makes it clear t= hat the repository is being queried and not the information represented by = the content the repository holds.

 

* Does it make sense to reor= der the words in some of our terms?  For example, instead of saying &q= uot;Assessment Content Definition" should we make it more active by writing "Define Assessment Content"?

 

* In 2.1.3 it might make thi= ngs clearer to be more precise about the repository we mean: "Query a = repository..." to "Query an Assessment Results Repository" (= or something similar).  

 

* The title for 2.1.3 might = assume less of a database if it read something like "Mining Available = Assessment Information" or something like that.  

 

 

Thoughts?<= /p>

 

Adam

 

From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bo= unces@ietf.org] on behalf of Watson, Kimberly [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov]<= br> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

In reading the building b= locks section, I had some thoughts…I have not had time to watch the r= ecordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or not…

 

I propose that there are = objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that have attributes that we w= ant to know or verify as part of security posture assessment…<= span style=3D"color:black">

 

So we need:

 

Object discovery – = to know what items need to have posture assessed

Object inventory – = to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associate both desired state a= nd content with objects

Desired state definition = – to define the desired state of attributes for assessment

Content creation/acquisit= ion – to drive collection of required attributes from objects for ass= essment

Posture Attribute Collect= ion – to collect the necessary attributes from objects for assessment=

Posture Evaluation –= ; to compare what was collected to the Desired state definition for the act= ual assessment result<= /p>

 

If you do not call out a = desired state specification, then you cannot separate evaluation from colle= ction where desired. I have no issue allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and potentially R= 20;bad” to require it to be in the content. (in this context, “= bad” means that it might actually limit applicability to some of our = scenarios in a manner that scales).=

 

I think all the combinati= on of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on different triggers for asses= sment associated with these building blocks

 

trigger assessment when n= ew object is discovered,

periodically assess every= thing in inventory or define/apply new assessment to items in inventory,

reassess with new desired= state or create new content for new desired state,

reassess/collect with new= content,

collect when attribute ch= anges, content changes, or periodically,

evaluate against new desi= red state or with new collected attributes

 

 

and do them under differe= nt/particular operational constraints

--

Kim Watson

Office of Cybersecurity a= nd Communications

Federal Network Resilienc= e

Blackberry: (202) 494-253= 4

 

From: Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios<= span style=3D"color:black">

 =

This version has the changes/comments from S= teve, Adam & the entire group who met in Plaza A.

 

Here is the meeting recording:

 

Your recording is now available on the WebEx = service site. Click the link below to play it: 

https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&r= ID=3D72851972&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5 
SACM-20131107 0142-1 
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 
2 Hours 3 Minutes 

* You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the rec= ording. * 

 

 

 =

-- 
Regards,

Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113
Secure Access TME, SAMPG =

ciscoSystems, Inc.

 

Check out my = Secure Network Access Blog at Network World


...


. . .

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(96.61.82.50) by 207.55.247.241 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 7 Nov 2013 11:43:46 -0800 Message-ID: <527BECD4.3090806@ThreatGuard.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:41:08 -0500 From: Gunnar Engelbach Organization: ThreatGuard, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hanna , Adam Montville , "Watson, Kimberly" , "sacm@ietf.org" References: , <05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065C911C@CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local> <67a34ef11cc84ba8924397557b8013e1@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <67a34ef11cc84ba8924397557b8013e1@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:41:34 -0000 I would go even broader with that definition. Content could be any document that can be stored in a repository and retrieved. Automated content is content that can be interpreted by a software system. But there is also ancillary content. For example, the text of the regulation that the automated content is intended to satisfy. Educational materials related to the automated content, to include video. Related remediation scripts. And so on. For the purposes of SACM we would be interested in the automated content, but it also makes sense for these standards to allow for they querying and retrieval of other related content. On 11/7/2013 2:17 PM, Stephen Hanna wrote: > Adam, > > I like all your comments! > > We struggled last night with the meaning of the word “content”. In the > end, we decided to just use that word to mean roughly “all the data > items you need to collect and evaluate endpoint posture attributes, > including the collected attribute values and maybe even results”. I’m > sure that we need to break this down further and come up with names for > all the kinds of data items. Your taxonomy starts down that road. I’m > not an expert in this area. Can you or someone else extend your taxonomy > to a finer level of detail and make sure that it includes collected > attribute values and posture results? > > Thanks, > > Steve > > *From:*sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf > Of *Adam Montville > *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:07 PM > *To:* Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios > > I think a lot of the good comments here and elsewhere on the work that > is being done this week are predicated on stabilizing our terminology. > > I think it might benefit us to think almost in taxonomic ways. To use > "content" as an example, we could represent the concept as follows: > > Content > > | > > +-- Assessment Content > > | +-- Collection Content > > | +-- Evaluation Content > > +-- Reporting Content > > Or something like that. If we look at the domain like this, then we can > (in 2.1.1 of the most recent Word document sent yesterday evening) be > precise when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose to, if > warranted, write that Assessment Content Definition is a building block > for the "Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve Content" use case instead > of "Content Definition" or otherwise do something similar. > > Aside: I was not able to join the WebEx for the duration of the meeting > and even when I was joined I could pay attention only part of the time, > so there may have been some discussion about what I am about to write. > Does it make sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve > into separate use cases? > > Other suggestions/comments: > > * "Repository Content Query" --> "Repository Query". This makes it > clear that the repository is being queried and not the information > represented by the content the repository holds. > > * Does it make sense to reorder the words in some of our terms? For > example, instead of saying "Assessment Content Definition" should we > make it more active by writing "Define Assessment Content"? > > * In 2.1.3 it might make things clearer to be more precise about the > repository we mean: "Query a repository..." to "Query an Assessment > Results Repository" (or something similar). > > * The title for 2.1.3 might assume less of a database if it read > something like "Mining Available Assessment Information" or something > like that. > > Thoughts? > > Adam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*sacm-bounces@ietf.org > [sacm-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Watson, Kimberly > [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM > *To:* sacm@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios > > In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts…I have not > had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts > or not… > > I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) > that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security > posture assessment… > > So we need: > > Object discovery – to know what items need to have posture assessed > > Object inventory – to determine assessment needs, and (I think) > associate both desired state and content with objects > > Desired state definition – to define the desired state of attributes for > assessment > > Content creation/acquisition – to drive collection of required > attributes from objects for assessment > > Posture Attribute Collection – to collect the necessary attributes from > objects for assessment > > Posture Evaluation – to compare what was collected to the Desired state > definition for the actual assessment result > > If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot > separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue > allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is > unnecessary and potentially “bad” to require it to be in the content. > (in this context, “bad” means that it might actually limit applicability > to some of our scenarios in a manner that scales). > > I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on > different triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks > > trigger assessment when new object is discovered, > > periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new > assessment to items in inventory, > > reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired > state, > > reassess/collect with new content, > > collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, > > evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes > > and do them under different/particular operational constraints > > -- > > Kim Watson > > Office of Cybersecurity and Communications > > Federal Network Resilience > > Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 > > *From:*Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM > *To:* sacm@ietf.org > *Subject:* [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios > > This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire > group who met in Plaza A. > > Here is the meeting recording: > > Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the > link below to play it: > > https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=72851972&rKey=36024fbb1e68fac5 > > SACM-20131107 0142-1 > Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time > 2 Hours 3 Minutes > > * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the > recording. * > > -- > Regards, > > *Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 > *Secure Access TME, SAMPG > > ciscoSystems, Inc. > > Check out my *Secure Network Access Blog* > at Network World > > Author: *Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access* > > > > ... > > > . . . > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > From gunnar.engelbach@threatguard.com Thu Nov 7 12:01:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA0021E81E9 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:01:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ok9eMltE7ZL9 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.threatguard.com (server.threatguard.com [207.55.247.173]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED0D11E82CA for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:01:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=threatguard.com; b=pcsFDbpkFf+xGd8s5rGyLp97W4m/4TEKQ9MGnAvKmNMH87VJyB5hM93BJ3ve7hEg4fBo6IXvlIytdNj5FZM0pDRLu4nyumGomuSafy1EzIxU4XEy/N+FnIavWdLchXGr; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; Received: (qmail 31499 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2013 12:03:51 -0800 Received: from h96-61-82-50.cntcnh.dsl.dynamic.tds.net (HELO ?172.16.1.22?) (96.61.82.50) by 207.55.247.241 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 7 Nov 2013 12:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: <527BF189.4020400@ThreatGuard.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:01:13 -0500 From: Gunnar Engelbach Organization: ThreatGuard, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Watson, Kimberly" , "sacm@ietf.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:01:44 -0000 Sadly, I too have not yet had opportunity to watch the recordings, but I think that a couple of the item you mentioned are worth further discussion. Inlined... On 11/7/2013 11:39 AM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: > In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts…I have not > had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts > or not… > > I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) > that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security > posture assessment… > > So we need: > > Object discovery – to know what items need to have posture assessed There is an implied necessity for this -- after all, an assessment cannot proceed without having some target for that assessment. Given the broad range of what could constitute discovery -- querying an inventory system, ringing out a network, manually entering targets, endpoint self-reporting, capturing DHCP/NAC/NAP events, starting a desktop system, etc -- trying to define what constitutes discovery should be outside the scope of SACM. On the other hand, particularly keeping in mind that anything implementing the SACM standards is likely exist as part of a larger infrastructure, the ability to be able to communicate the target of an assessment into a SACM implementation is a reasonable necessity. If this data flow is merely a list of one or more targets of interest, that's a fairly simple but limited data flow. It quickly gets more complex if the SACM system is expected to fulfill the terms of a request by ringing out the network, querying an inventory system, monitoring network events, etc. > > Object inventory – to determine assessment needs, and (I think) > associate both desired state and content with objects Are you saying that an inventory is the result of discovery, or that inventory is a static repository? I don't think there's anything within scope of the SACM charter that requires the existence of a static inventory as part of SACM. But there is an implied need: some of the classifications for endpoints necessary to determine the proper content to apply are not able to be automated. For example MAC levels, CAI values, classification level, whether or not medical, personal privacy, or financial data is processed by that node, and so on. Being able to automate content selection from the repository, then, would also need a static repository to store non-automatable information about the assets in some cases. This, in turn, could be a repository that is part of the SACM implementation, an external repository, or a combination. This leads to the need for the data flows and query ability necessary to fulfill retrieval of this type of static data. It seems a bit early in the process to bring this up, but is there a feeling for how much of these should fall within the scope of SACM at this time? > > Desired state definition – to define the desired state of attributes for > assessment > > Content creation/acquisition – to drive collection of required > attributes from objects for assessment > > Posture Attribute Collection – to collect the necessary attributes from > objects for assessment > > Posture Evaluation – to compare what was collected to the Desired state > definition for the actual assessment result > > If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot > separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue > allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is > unnecessary and potentially “bad” to require it to be in the content. > (in this context, “bad” means that it might actually limit applicability > to some of our scenarios in a manner that scales). > > I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on > different triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks > > trigger assessment when new object is discovered, > > periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new > assessment to items in inventory, > > reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired > state, > > reassess/collect with new content, > > collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, > > evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes > > and do them under different/particular operational constraints > > -- > > Kim Watson > > Office of Cybersecurity and Communications > > Federal Network Resilience > > Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 > > *From:*Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM > *To:* sacm@ietf.org > *Subject:* [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios > > This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire > group who met in Plaza A. > > Here is the meeting recording: > > Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the > link below to play it: > > https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=72851972&rKey=36024fbb1e68fac5 > > SACM-20131107 0142-1 > Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time > 2 Hours 3 Minutes > > * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the > recording. * > > -- > Regards, > > *Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 > *Secure Access TME, SAMPG > > ciscoSystems, Inc. > > Check out my *Secure Network Access Blog* > at Network World > > Author: *Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > From Adam.Montville@cisecurity.org Thu Nov 7 13:37:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1522C11E8127 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:37:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.407 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.407 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.206, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NuCuLiy7F8SU for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.bemta7.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta7.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.106]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34D611E8121 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.82.253.243:44696] by server-10.bemta-7.messagelabs.com id DB/70-11245-5180C725; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:37:25 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Adam.Montville@cisecurity.org X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-171.messagelabs.com!1383860244!8265723!2 X-Originating-IP: [69.195.43.86] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=cisecurity.org,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 2268 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2013 21:37:25 -0000 Received: from mail.msisac.org (HELO mail.msisac.org) (69.195.43.86) by server-13.tower-171.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Nov 2013 21:37:25 -0000 Received: from CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local ([fe80::4f0:b68d:e779:38c3]) by CISEXCHANGE2.msisac.org.local ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0347.000; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:36:20 -0500 From: Adam Montville To: Stephen Hanna , "Watson, Kimberly" , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wghRij15+wP0qThm2XrpV9epoaTN8A///Q+X2AAFsiAP//0mnD Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:36:23 +0000 Message-ID: <05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065CBBEC@CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local> References: , <05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065C911C@CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local>, <67a34ef11cc84ba8924397557b8013e1@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <67a34ef11cc84ba8924397557b8013e1@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.252.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065CBBECCISEXCHANGE1msi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:37:51 -0000 --_000_05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065CBBECCISEXCHANGE1msi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm happy to extend/record a taxonomy. I think a logical place for such a= taxonomy would be the terminology document. I guess I'll stay on that do= cument as an author and maintain it as we keep moving forward. Who has the latest xml for that document or does -01 reflect all the lates= t changes? Adam ________________________________ From: Stephen Hanna [shanna@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 1:17 PM To: Adam Montville; Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: RE: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Adam, I like all your comments! We struggled last night with the meaning of the word =93content=94. In the= end, we decided to just use that word to mean roughly =93all the data ite= ms you need to collect and evaluate endpoint posture attributes, including= the collected attribute values and maybe even results=94. I=92m sure that= we need to break this down further and come up with names for all the kin= ds of data items. Your taxonomy starts down that road. I=92m not an expert= in this area. Can you=20or someone else extend your taxonomy to a finer l= evel of detail and make sure that it includes collected attribute values a= nd posture results? Thanks, Steve From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ad= am Montville Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:07 PM To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios I think a lot of the good comments here and elsewhere on the work that is = being done this week are predicated on stabilizing our terminology. I think it might benefit us to think almost in taxonomic ways. To use "co= ntent" as an example, we could represent the concept as follows: Content | +-- Assessment Content | +-- Collection Content | +-- Evaluation Content +-- Reporting Content Or something like that. If we look at the domain like this, then we can (= in 2.1.1 of the most recent Word document sent yesterday evening) be preci= se when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose to, if warranted, wr= ite that Assessment Content Definition is a building block for the "Define= , Publish, Query, and Retrieve Content" use case instead of "Content Defin= ition" or otherwise do something similar. Aside: I was not able to join the WebEx for the duration of the meeting an= d even when I was joined I could pay attention only part of the time, so t= here may have been some discussion about what I am about to write. Does i= t make sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve into separa= te use cases? Other suggestions/comments: * "Repository Content Query" --> "Repository Query". This makes it clear = that the repository is being queried and not the information represented b= y the content the repository holds. * Does it make sense to reorder the words in some of our terms? For examp= le, instead of saying "Assessment Content Definition" should we make it mo= re active by writing "Define Assessment Content"? * In 2.1.3 it might make things clearer to be more precise about the repos= itory we mean: "Query a repository..." to "Query an Assessment Results Rep= ository" (or something similar). * The title for 2.1.3 might assume less of a database if it read something= like "Mining Available Assessment Information" or something like that. Thoughts? Adam ________________________________ From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bounces@ie= tf.org] on behalf of Watson, Kimberly [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts=85I have not h= ad time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or = not=85 I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that= have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security postur= e assessment=85 So we need: Object discovery =96 to know what items need to have posture assessed Object inventory =96 to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associat= e both desired state and content with objects Desired state definition =96 to define the desired state of attributes for= assessment Content creation/acquisition =96 to drive collection of required attribute= s from objects for assessment Posture Attribute Collection =96 to collect the necessary attributes from = objects for assessment Posture Evaluation =96 to compare what was collected to the Desired state = definition for the actual assessment result If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot sepa= rate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue allowing th= e definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and pot= entially =93bad=94 to require it to be in the content. (in this context, =93= bad=94 means that it might actually limit applicability to some of our sce= narios in a manner that scales). I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on di= fferent triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks trigger assessment when new object is discovered, periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new assessment= to items in inventory, reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired stat= e, reassess/collect with new content, collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes and do them under different/particular operational constraints -- Kim Watson Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 From: Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group = who met in Plaza A. Here is the meeting recording: Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link = below to play it: https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&rID=3D728519= 72&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5 SACM-20131107 0142-1 Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 2 Hours 3 Minutes * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the re= cording. * -- Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access ... . . . ... . . . --_000_05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065CBBECCISEXCHANGE1msi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm happy to extend/record a taxonomy.  I think a logical pla= ce for such a taxonomy would be the terminology document.  I guess I'= ll stay on that document as an author and maintain it as we keep moving forward.

Who has the latest xml for that document or does -01 reflect all the = latest changes?

Adam

From: Stephen Hanna [shanna@juniper.net= ]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 1:17 PM
To: Adam Montville; Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

Adam,

 

I like all your comme= nts!

 

We struggled last nig= ht with the meaning of the word =93content=94. In the end, we decided to j= ust use that word to mean roughly =93all the data items you need to collect and evaluate endpoint posture attributes, including the collec= ted attribute values and maybe even results=94. I=92m sure that we need to= break this down further and come up with names for all the kinds of data = items. Your taxonomy starts down that road. I=92m not an expert in this area. Can you or someone else extend your tax= onomy to a finer level of detail and make sure that it includes collected = attribute values and posture results?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

From: sac= m-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:07 PM
To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

 

I think a lot of the goo= d comments here and elsewhere on the work that is being done this week are= predicated on stabilizing our terminology.  

 

I think it might benefit= us to think almost in taxonomic ways.  To use "content" as= an example, we could represent the concept as follows:

 

Content<= /span>

    |

    +-- Assessment Content

    |       += -- Collection Content

    |       += -- Evaluation Content

    +-- Reporting Content

 

Or something like that. =  If we look at the domain like this, then we can (in 2.1.1 of the mos= t recent Word document sent yesterday evening) be precise when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose to, if warranted, wr= ite that Assessment Content Definition is a building block for the "D= efine, Publish, Query, and Retrieve Content" use case instead of &quo= t;Content Definition" or otherwise do something similar.

 

Aside: I was not able to= join the WebEx for the duration of the meeting and even when I was joined= I could pay attention only part of the time, so there may have been some discussion about what I am about to write.  Does it m= ake sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve into separate = use cases?

 

Other suggestions/commen= ts:

 

* "Repository Conte= nt Query" --> "Repository Query".  This makes it cl= ear that the repository is being queried and not the information represent= ed by the content the repository holds.

 

* Does it make sense to = reorder the words in some of our terms?  For example, instead of sayi= ng "Assessment Content Definition" should we make it more active= by writing "Define Assessment Content"?

 

* In 2.1.3 it might make= things clearer to be more precise about the repository we mean: "Que= ry a repository..." to "Query an Assessment Results Repository&q= uot; (or something similar).  

 

* The title for 2.1.3 mi= ght assume less of a database if it read something like "Mining Avail= able Assessment Information" or something like that.  

 

 

Thoughts?

 

Adam

 

From: sacm-bounces@ie= tf.org [sacm-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Watson, Kimberly [kimberly= .watson@hq.dhs.gov]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM
To: sacm@ietf.or= g
Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

In reading the buildi= ng blocks section, I had some thoughts=85I have not had time to watch the = recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or not=85

 

I propose that there = are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that have attributes that= we want to know or verify as part of security posture assessment=85

 

So we need:

 

Object discovery =96 = to know what items need to have posture assessed

Object inventory =96 = to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associate both desired state = and content with objects

Desired state definit= ion =96 to define the desired state of attributes for assessment

Content creation/acqu= isition =96 to drive collection of required attributes from objects for as= sessment

Posture Attribute Col= lection =96 to collect the necessary attributes from objects for assessmen= t

Posture Evaluation =96= to compare what was collected to the Desired state definition for the act= ual assessment result

 

If you do not call ou= t a desired state specification, then you cannot separate evaluation from = collection where desired. I have no issue allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and potentially=20=93= bad=94 to require it to be in the content. (in this context, =93bad=94 mea= ns that it might actually limit applicability to some of our scenarios in = a manner that scales).

 

I think all the combi= nation of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on different triggers for = assessment associated with these building blocks

 

trigger assessment wh= en new object is discovered,

periodically assess e= verything in inventory or define/apply new assessment to items in inventor= y,

reassess with new des= ired state or create new content for new desired state,

reassess/collect with= new content,

collect when attribut= e changes, content changes, or periodically,

evaluate against new = desired state or with new collected attributes

 

 

and do them under dif= ferent/particular operational constraints

--

Kim Watson

Office of Cybersecuri= ty and Communications

Federal Network Resil= ience

Blackberry: (202) 494= -2534

 

From: Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM
To: sacm@ietf.or= g
Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios=

 

This version has the changes/comments fro= m Steve, Adam & the entire group who met in Plaza A.

 =

Here is the meeting recording:

 =

Your recording is now available on the Web= Ex service site. Click the link below to play it: 

https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&= amp;rID=3D72851972&rKey=3D36024fbb1e68fac5&= nbsp;

SACM-20131107 0142-1 
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 
2 Hours 3 Minutes 

* You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the re= cording. * 

 =

 =

 

-- 
Regards,

Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113
Secure Access TME, SAMPG 

ciscoSystems, Inc.

 

Check out my = Secure Network Access Blog at Network World


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--_000_05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065CBBECCISEXCHANGE1msi_-- From ietfdbh@comcast.net Thu Nov 7 14:35:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE9C11E8291 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:35:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.26 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.26 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_TOOL=2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iYDRRFfz7Inw for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe14:44:76:96:59:228]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C734E11E828B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mm7V1m0011c6gX85FmbaXU; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 22:35:34 +0000 Received: from JV6RVH1 ([67.189.237.137]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mmbZ1m00Q2yZEBF3jmbZJQ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 22:35:34 +0000 From: "ietfdbh" To: "'Adam Montville'" , "'Stephen Hanna'" , "'Watson, Kimberly'" , References: , <05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065C911C@CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local>, <67a34ef11cc84ba8924397557b8013e1@BLUPR05MB323.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065CBBEC@CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local> In-Reply-To: <05BCCEB107AF88469B9F99783D47C1D6065CBBEC@CISEXCHANGE1.msisac.org.local> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:35:30 -0500 Message-ID: <007501cedc09$aa6c3e40$ff44bac0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01CEDBDF.C19A2DE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIzXd2+PQ2BLvpa5/1I0XGU7pDgeQFLtaPyAf2nOSgCkYvR1AG7GHTKmRSloEA= Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1383863734; bh=4RBZdqHUXhC0izVxt9Gs93ce0Dgh1iW+NwzQHH2PECU=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WBeFW7Iq3XJu+IoQYLYg/vT09N0+pN2PLegKV/V+O0GDvQb7Lcqc+9R2/BVAHxLTN /dV6aDXBoZA7OmtKmkL8iLvcCJLCTMAqLmR1dHpVJ1pRq1AMp7qtXuHC23nUk6hgFs m6LVDbuidKRMJTNi2F1G80B/bMO4CawTj0qmahRrH15sWndPCOBgm46wCkREHWjC1n 7TFT87+OXqFM4emPzXBj4pe/cBAuUC7NzrnBwhLkNsdkuUBD7fGzArLjX7u4yLMboG vYPt7jOMySermmjvjp3WkjV2wEr5coSja2Jt/liSJ1guzQ1VXFY6j691+eMVC7Pmcq BMVAj86qGkwHA== Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 22:35:57 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01CEDBDF.C19A2DE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0077_01CEDBDF.C19A2DE0" ------=_NextPart_001_0077_01CEDBDF.C19A2DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the xml. Now you do too. (I'm source tracking in CVS, so send me the edited file occasionally and I'll commit it in my repository.) David Harrington ietfdbh@comcast.net +1-603-828-1401 From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:36 PM To: Stephen Hanna; Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios I'm happy to extend/record a taxonomy. I think a logical place for such a taxonomy would be the terminology document. I guess I'll stay on that document as an author and maintain it as we keep moving forward. Who has the latest xml for that document or does -01 reflect all the latest changes? Adam _____ From: Stephen Hanna [shanna@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 1:17 PM To: Adam Montville; Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: RE: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Adam, I like all your comments! We struggled last night with the meaning of the word "content". In the end, we decided to just use that word to mean roughly "all the data items you need to collect and evaluate endpoint posture attributes, including the collected attribute values and maybe even results". I'm sure that we need to break this down further and come up with names for all the kinds of data items. Your taxonomy starts down that road. I'm not an expert in this area. Can you or someone else extend your taxonomy to a finer level of detail and make sure that it includes collected attribute values and posture results? Thanks, Steve From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:07 PM To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios I think a lot of the good comments here and elsewhere on the work that is being done this week are predicated on stabilizing our terminology. I think it might benefit us to think almost in taxonomic ways. To use "content" as an example, we could represent the concept as follows: Content | +-- Assessment Content | +-- Collection Content | +-- Evaluation Content +-- Reporting Content Or something like that. If we look at the domain like this, then we can (in 2.1.1 of the most recent Word document sent yesterday evening) be precise when we talk about "Content Definition" and choose to, if warranted, write that Assessment Content Definition is a building block for the "Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve Content" use case instead of "Content Definition" or otherwise do something similar. Aside: I was not able to join the WebEx for the duration of the meeting and even when I was joined I could pay attention only part of the time, so there may have been some discussion about what I am about to write. Does it make sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve into separate use cases? Other suggestions/comments: * "Repository Content Query" --> "Repository Query". This makes it clear that the repository is being queried and not the information represented by the content the repository holds. * Does it make sense to reorder the words in some of our terms? For example, instead of saying "Assessment Content Definition" should we make it more active by writing "Define Assessment Content"? * In 2.1.3 it might make things clearer to be more precise about the repository we mean: "Query a repository..." to "Query an Assessment Results Repository" (or something similar). * The title for 2.1.3 might assume less of a database if it read something like "Mining Available Assessment Information" or something like that. Thoughts? Adam _____ From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Watson, Kimberly [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts.I have not had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these thoughts or not. I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security posture assessment. So we need: Object discovery - to know what items need to have posture assessed Object inventory - to determine assessment needs, and (I think) associate both desired state and content with objects Desired state definition - to define the desired state of attributes for assessment Content creation/acquisition - to drive collection of required attributes from objects for assessment Posture Attribute Collection - to collect the necessary attributes from objects for assessment Posture Evaluation - to compare what was collected to the Desired state definition for the actual assessment result If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is unnecessary and potentially "bad" to require it to be in the content. (in this context, "bad" means that it might actually limit applicability to some of our scenarios in a manner that scales). I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on different triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks trigger assessment when new object is discovered, periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new assessment to items in inventory, reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired state, reassess/collect with new content, collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes and do them under different/particular operational constraints -- Kim Watson Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 From: Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios This version has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group who met in Plaza A. Here is the meeting recording: Your recording is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link below to play it: https://new-webex.webex.com/new-webex/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=72851972&rKey= 36024fbb1e68fac5 SACM-20131107 0142-1 Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York Time 2 Hours 3 Minutes * You can forward this message to others to allow them to play back the recording. * -- Regards, Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113 Secure Access TME, SAMPG ciscoSystems, Inc. Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network World Author: Cisco ISE for BYOD and Secure Unified Access ... . . . ... . . . ------=_NextPart_001_0077_01CEDBDF.C19A2DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have the xml.

Now you do too.

(I’m source tracking in CVS, so send me the edited file = occasionally and I’ll commit it in my = repository.)

 

David Harrington

ietfdbh@comca= st.net

+1-603-828-1401

From:= = sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Adam Montville
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:36 = PM
To: Stephen Hanna; Watson, Kimberly; = sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases = & Scenarios

 

= I'm happy to extend/record a taxonomy.  I think a logical place for = such a taxonomy would be the terminology document.  I guess I'll = stay on that document as an author and maintain it as we keep moving = forward.

=  

= Who has the latest xml for that document or does -01 reflect all the = latest changes?

=  

= Adam

=  

= From:= Stephen Hanna [shanna@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, November = 07, 2013 1:17 PM
To: Adam Montville; Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org
Subject: RE: = [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

Adam,

 

I like all your comments!

 

We struggled last night with the meaning of the word = “content”. In the end, we decided to just use that word to = mean roughly “all the data items you need to collect and evaluate = endpoint posture attributes, including the collected attribute values = and maybe even results”. I’m sure that we need to break this = down further and come up with names for all the kinds of data items. = Your taxonomy starts down that road. I’m not an expert in this = area. Can you or someone else extend your taxonomy to a finer level of = detail and make sure that it includes collected attribute values and = posture results?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

= From:= sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Adam Montville
Sent: Thursday, November = 07, 2013 2:07 PM
To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

 

= I think a lot of the good comments here and elsewhere on the work that = is being done this week are predicated on stabilizing our terminology. =  

=  

= I think it might benefit us to think almost in taxonomic ways.  To = use "content" as an example, we could represent the concept as = follows:

=  

Content

    |

    +-- Assessment Content

    |       +-- Collection = Content

    |       +-- Evaluation = Content

    +-- Reporting Content

=  

= Or something like that.  If we look at the domain like this, then = we can (in 2.1.1 of the most recent Word document sent yesterday = evening) be precise when we talk about "Content Definition" = and choose to, if warranted, write that Assessment Content Definition is = a building block for the "Define, Publish, Query, and Retrieve = Content" use case instead of "Content Definition" or = otherwise do something similar.

=  

= Aside: I was not able to join the WebEx for the duration of the meeting = and even when I was joined I could pay attention only part of the time, = so there may have been some discussion about what I am about to write. =  Does it make sense to break out Define, Publish, Query, and = Retrieve into separate use cases?

=  

= Other suggestions/comments:

=  

= * "Repository Content Query" --> "Repository = Query".  This makes it clear that the repository is being = queried and not the information represented by the content the = repository holds.

=  

= * Does it make sense to reorder the words in some of our terms? =  For example, instead of saying "Assessment Content = Definition" should we make it more active by writing "Define = Assessment Content"?

=  

= * In 2.1.3 it might make things clearer to be more precise about the = repository we mean: "Query a repository..." to "Query an = Assessment Results Repository" (or something similar). =  

=  

= * The title for 2.1.3 might assume less of a database if it read = something like "Mining Available Assessment Information" or = something like that.  

=  

=  

= Thoughts?

=  

= Adam

=  

= From:= sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bounces@ietf.org] on = behalf of Watson, Kimberly [kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov]
Sent: = Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:39 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest = copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts…I = have not had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these = thoughts or not…

 

I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) = that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of security = posture assessment…

 

So we need:

 

Object discovery – to know what items need to have posture = assessed

Object inventory – to determine assessment needs, and (I think) = associate both desired state and content with objects

Desired state definition – to define the desired state of = attributes for assessment

Content creation/acquisition – to drive collection of required = attributes from objects for assessment

Posture Attribute Collection – to collect the necessary = attributes from objects for assessment

Posture Evaluation – to compare what was collected to the = Desired state definition for the actual assessment result

 

If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot = separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue = allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is = unnecessary and potentially “bad” to require it to be in the = content. (in this context, “bad” means that it might = actually limit applicability to some of our scenarios in a manner that = scales).

 

I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate = on different triggers for assessment associated with these building = blocks

 

trigger assessment when new object is discovered,

periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new = assessment to items in inventory,

reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired = state,

reassess/collect with new content,

collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, =

evaluate against new desired state or with new collected = attributes

 

 

and do them under different/particular operational = constraints

--

Kim Watson

Office of Cybersecurity and Communications

Federal Network Resilience

Blackberry: (202) 494-2534

 

= From:= Aaron Woland (aawoland) [mailto:aawoland@cisco.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:48 PM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: [sacm] Latest = copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios

 

This version = has the changes/comments from Steve, Adam & the entire group who met = in Plaza A.

 

Here is the = meeting recording:

 

Your recording = is now available on the WebEx service site. Click the link below to play = it: 

https://new-webex.webex.com/n= ew-webex/lsr.php?AT=3Dpb&SP=3DMC&rID=3D72851972&rKey=3D36024f= bb1e68fac5 

SAC= M-20131107 0142-1 
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:42 pm New York = Time 
2 Hours 3 Minutes 

* You can forward this = message to others to allow them to play back the recording. = * 

 

 

 

-- 
Regards,

Aaron T. Woland, CCIE #20113
Secure Access TME, SAMPG  =

ciscoSystems, Inc. =

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Check out my Secure Network Access Blog at Network = World

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------=_NextPart_001_0077_01CEDBDF.C19A2DE0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01CEDBDF.C19A2DE0 Content-Type: text/xml; name="draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-02.xml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-02.xml" ]> Terminology = for Security Assessment National Institute of Standards and = Technology
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Security Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring = WG security automation continuous monitoring sacm = terminology This memo documents terminology used in the documents produced = by the SACM WG (Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring).
Our goal with this document is to improve our agreement on the terminology used in documents produced by the IETF Working Group for Security Automation and Continuous = Monitoring. Agreeing on terminology should help reach consensus on which problems = we're trying to solve, and propose solutions and decide which ones to use. This document is expected to be temorary work product, and will = probably be incorporated into the architecture or other document.
=20
=20 assessment Defined in as "the process of = collecting posture for a set of capabilities on the endpoint (e.g., = host-based firewall) such that the appropriate validators may evaluate = the posture against compliance policy." Within this document the use of the term is expanded to = support other uses of collected posture (e.g. reporting, network = enforcement, vulnerability detection, license management). The phrase = "set of capabilities on the endpoint" includes: hardware and software = installed on the endpoint." =20 asset Defined in as "a system resource = that is (a) required to be protected by an information system's security = policy, (b) intended to be protected by a countermeasure, or (c) = required for a system's mission. asset characterization Asset characterization is the process of defining = attributes that describe properties of an identified asset. =20 asset targeting Asset targeting is the use of asset identification and = categorization information to drive human-directed, automated decision making for data = collection and analysis in support of endpoint posture assessment. =20 attribute Defined in as "data element = including any requisite meta-data describing an observed, expected, or = the operational status of an endpoint feature (e.g., anti-virus = software is currently in use)." =20 endpoint Defined in as "any computing = device that can be connected to a network. Such devices normally are = associated with a particular link layer address before joining the = network and potentially an IP address once on the network. This = includes: laptops, desktops, servers, cell phones, or any device that = may have an IP address." Network infrastructure devices (e.g. switches, routers, = firewalls), which fit the definition, are also considered to be = endpoints within this document. Based on the previous definition of an asset, an endpoint = is a type of asset. Exposure An endpoint misconfiguration or software flaw that allows = access to information or capabilities that can be used by an attacker as = a means to compromise an endpoint or network. (derived from CVE = exposure definition) From RFC4949: (I) A type of threat action whereby sensitive data is directly released to an unauthorized entity. (See: unauthorized disclosure.) Usage: This type of threat action includes the following subtypes: - "Deliberate Exposure": Intentional release of sensitive data to an unauthorized entity. - "Scavenging": Searching through data residue in a system to gain unauthorized knowledge of sensitive data. - "Human error": /exposure/ Human action or inaction that unintentionally results in an entity gaining unauthorized knowledge of sensitive data. (Compare: corruption, incapacitation.) - "Hardware or software error": /exposure/ System failure that unintentionally results in an entity gaining unauthorized knowledge of sensitive data. (Compare: corruption, incapacitation.) =20 Misconfiguration A misconfiguration is a configuration setting that violates = organizational security policies, introduces a possible security = weakness in a system, or permits or causes unintended behavior that may = impact the security posture of a system. (from NIST IR 7670) The misalignment of a unit of endpoint configuration posture relative to = organizational expectations that is subject to exploitation or misuse. =20 posture Defined in as "configuration = and/or status of hardware or software on an endpoint as it pertains to = an organization's security policy." This term is used within the scope of this document to = represent the state information that is collected from an endpoint (e.g. = software/hardware inventory, configuration settings). =20 posture attributes Defined in as "attributes = describing the configuration or status (posture) of a feature of the = endpoint. For example, a Posture Attribute might describe the version = of the operating system installed on the system." Within this document this term represents a specific = assertion about endpoint state (e.g. configuration setting, installed = software, hardware). The phrase "features of the endpoint" refers to = installed software or software components. Remediation A remediation is defined as a security-related set of = actions that results in a change to a computer's state and may consist = of changes motivated by the need to enforce organizational security = policies, address discovered vulnerabilities, or correct = misconfigurations. (from NIST IR 7670) software flaw A weakness in software that is subject to exploitation or = misuse. A software flaw can be used by an attacker to gain access to a = system or network, and/or materially affect the confidentiality, = integrity or availability of information hosted by an endpoint or = exchanged over a network. Such a flaw may allow an attacker to execute = commands as another user, access data that is contrary to specified = access controls, pose as another entity, or to conduct a denial of = service. (derived from CVE vulnerability definition) =20 system resource Defined in as "data contained in = an information system; or a service provided by a system; or a system = capacity, such as processing power or communication bandwidth; or an = item of system equipment (i.e., hardware, firmware, software, or = documentation); or a facility that houses system operations and = equipment. Vulnerability A vulnerability is a state of configuration or defect in a = system which allows an unintended and unauthorized party to violate the = security or policies of the system. A weakness in an information system, system security procedures, = internal controls, or implementation that is subject to exploitation or = misuse. This includes flaws in software and processes, and = misconfiguration of hardware or software. (derived from NIST = definitions) From RFC4949: (I) A flaw or weakness in a system's design, implementation, or operation and management that could be exploited to violate the system's security policy. (See: harden.) Tutorial: A system can have three types of vulnerabilities: (a) vulnerabilities in design or specification; (b) vulnerabilities in implementation; and (c) vulnerabilities in operation and management. Most systems have one or more vulnerabilities, but this does not mean that the systems are too flawed to use. Not every threat results in an attack, and not every attack succeeds. Success depends on the degree of vulnerability, the strength of attacks, and the effectiveness of any countermeasures in use. If the attacks needed to exploit a vulnerability are very difficult to carry out, then the vulnerability may be tolerable. If the perceived benefit to an attacker is small, then even an easily exploited vulnerability may be tolerable. However, if the attacks are well understood and easily made, and if the vulnerable system is employed by a wide range of users, then it is likely that there will be enough motivation for someone to launch an attack. Vulnerability Management The process of mitigating the ability to exploit a = vulnerability, via defect removal or protective measures such that = exploitation becomes impossible or highly unlikely. (from Chris Inacio) =20
The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL = NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in = this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
This memo includes no request to IANA.
This memo documents terminology for security automation. While = it is about security, it does not affect security.
=20
Added Vulnerability, Vulnerability Management, Exposure, = Misconfiguration, and Software flaw.
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Sat, 09 Nov 2013 05:15:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AdVdeJjlM0ILzMC2Gc+tQdtH33xiM06olH4dYxWqRp8=; b=Kqzn55hpXX0vO4qQdwWGUkT4rfABhwrUhMNgDC7ZXZmRtNHvZY+HgGEVm+W2hV4El9 cp1gmDAZ8PEdfAN3Xe1u+mq80I0ROnFrQyaP3ana6TBk//SAeaMD0Ke1oDpD0ArE3soA oDpXyvU0MhB5vavBrB12syrbxjrduNNfO/rXtwGeersYnI38t9x9gRi/hboE5S2VWZ2v dsYT+aZAwcxyrTFl+fgeT6z4eRB86/pEQxckmSltI5XHTD96KoR2oYFPHL/8KtOn+Kbg 8MyXh/34TaaVbOL9jCME9wvxK9oHD3luZdgssorn69SUBXl2TIq4fm9jazNcsROHRwIK Y97Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.173.74 with SMTP id bi10mr20791284pac.125.1384002936320; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 05:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.204.1 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 05:15:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 16:15:36 +0300 Message-ID: From: Jerome Athias To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [sacm] Cyber Security Framework mapping X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 13:15:38 -0000 Hi, I found this mind map of the Cyber Security Framework interesting and could be probably use to define Use Cases http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/CIP-CSF-Framework.pdf Have a secure week-end Jerome From athiasjerome@gmail.com Sat Nov 9 09:33:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D36421E80CF for ; 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Sat, 09 Nov 2013 09:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.204.1 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:33:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 20:33:17 +0300 Message-ID: From: Jerome Athias To: "OVAL Developer List (Closed Public Discussion)" , "cybox-discussion-list Cyber Observable Expression/CybOX Discussi" , "stix-discussion-list Structured Threat Information Expression/ST" , maec-discussion-list Malware Attribute Enumeration Discussion , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [sacm] XORCISM data Model v0.8 released X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 17:33:20 -0000 Hi, XORCISM (eXpandable Open Research on Cyber Information Security Models) is a data model built around various Open Information Security Data Models, Specifications, Standards, Frameworks, Guidelines, Architectures, Best Practices, Protocols and Vocabularies (Taxonomies/Ontologies). The version 0.8 is not designed with abstraction in mind, but for fast usability with object oriented programmation. Source code (Tables creation script) available here: https://github.com/athiasjerome/XORCISM More information: http://www.frhack.org/research/xorcism.php I hope it will be helpful. I will post some code samples when i will find time ;p Happy Hacking! Jerome Athias From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Nov 11 07:56:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3002221F9C90 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:56:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.834 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.834 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.235, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80BaA-wgL5NC for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC5B11E8107 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:56:44 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0NAOb9gFKHCzI1/2dsb2JhbABZgmYhOFOqMZRmgToWbQeCJwEBAxIoUQEVFRRCJgEEGxqHXwEMnR2ESJw2jzaDWIEQA5k+hTWLJoMmgio X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,678,1378872000"; d="scan'208";a="36434085" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2013 10:56:43 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2013 10:46:17 -0500 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:56:23 +0100 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: REMINDER - Doodle poll for the Virtual Interim Meeting Thread-Index: Ac7e9pD/e0F0jIlxQRytzsceLxw7ag== Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:56:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA129370A8@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sacm] REMINDER - Doodle poll for the Virtual Interim Meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:56:55 -0000 Hi, This is a reminder that in the WG meeting at IETF-88 the participants in th= e room had no objection to holding a virtual interim meeting during the wee= k of December 16.=20 If there are any concerns (including from people who could not attend the m= eeting in Vancouver) please express them now.=20 If you are interested in attending the meeting please fill in the Doodle po= ll announced on the list. The link is http://doodle.com/vnwktt6msfpxavgz.=20 Please answer this before Tuesday 11/12 COB. A number of participants (amon= g them some of the document editors) did not answer yet the Doodle poll.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 From kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov Tue Nov 12 11:01:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D077B11E810A for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:01:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pxmLnsdA0EGZ for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042C711E811B for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail128-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.251) by TX2EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.9.40.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:13 +0000 Received: from mail128-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail128-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7A120117 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:216.81.82.139; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:D2IBLPRHQ102.dhs.gov; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -26 X-BigFish: VPS-26(zzbb2dI98dI9371I542I1432I1418Izz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h2146h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz1de098h1033IL8275dh1de097hz2dh109h2a8h839h944hd25hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h14ddh1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h1ad9h1b0ah2222h224fh1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1dfeh1dffh1e1dh1fe8h1ff5h2216h1155h) Received: from mail128-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail128-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1384282871160540_30515; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.248]) by mail128-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13455360093 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from D2IBLPRHQ102.dhs.gov (216.81.82.139) by TX2EHSMHS006.bigfish.com (10.9.99.106) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:10 +0000 Received: from D2IBLPRHQ106.dhs.gov (192.168.49.136) by D2IBLPRHQ102.dhs.gov (10.82.0.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:10:31 -0500 Received: from D2ABLPRHQ103.DSA.DHS (10.237.115.14) by D2IBLPRHQ106.dhs.gov (10.82.4.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:00:47 -0500 Received: from D2ASEPREA006.DSA.DHS ([169.254.10.167]) by D2ABLPRHQ103.DSA.DHS ([fe80::15d4:e9b9:8b5:7449%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:01:08 -0500 From: "Watson, Kimberly" To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wsrrVmwUOfCkKPDLVw7EaLzpoZ8wAAgACSMYCAB3QiAA== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <527BF189.4020400@ThreatGuard.com> In-Reply-To: <527BF189.4020400@ThreatGuard.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.239.235.235] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hq.dhs.gov X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:21 -0000 I completely agree that the first two items I mention are required for the = SACM usage scenarios/use cases, but that they might not be within the scope= SACM. I'm not sure the right balance for this activity and the charter. Th= e inventory is comprised of both things discovered and static things associ= ated with information about them that defines necessary assessment activiti= es/policy. You would want to assess all things in your organization that th= e assessment applies to...and you would want to know when something was not= being assessed. Without the ability to discover objects and communicate that to the assessm= ent "task engine" (for lack of a better term), you cannot determine what ob= jects have not been assessed...and by extension, you cannot make valid asse= rtions about organizational or enterprise compliance to any policy. Without some place that knows the objects to be assessed and the informatio= n about those objects that determines what content must be "run" (again, fo= r lack of a better term), you cannot determine what objects have not been a= ssessed...yadda yadda yadda. -- Kim Watson Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 -----Original Message----- From: Gunnar Engelbach [mailto:Gunnar.Engelbach@ThreatGuard.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:01 PM To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Sadly, I too have not yet had opportunity to watch the recordings, but I th= ink that a couple of the item you mentioned are worth further discussion. = Inlined... On 11/7/2013 11:39 AM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: > In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts...I have not= =20 > had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these=20 > thoughts or not... > > I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts)=20 > that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of=20 > security posture assessment... > > So we need: > > Object discovery - to know what items need to have posture assessed There is an implied necessity for this -- after all, an assessment cannot p= roceed without having some target for that assessment. Given the broad range of what could constitute discovery -- querying an inv= entory system, ringing out a network, manually entering targets, endpoint s= elf-reporting, capturing DHCP/NAC/NAP events, starting a desktop system, et= c -- trying to define what constitutes discovery should be outside the scop= e of SACM. On the other hand, particularly keeping in mind that anything implementing = the SACM standards is likely exist as part of a larger infrastructure, the = ability to be able to communicate the target of an assessment into a SACM i= mplementation is a reasonable necessity. If this data flow is merely a list of one or more targets of interest, that= 's a fairly simple but limited data flow. It quickly gets more complex if = the SACM system is expected to fulfill the terms of a request by ringing ou= t the network, querying an inventory system, monitoring network events, etc= . > > Object inventory - to determine assessment needs, and (I think)=20 > associate both desired state and content with objects Are you saying that an inventory is the result of discovery, or that invent= ory is a static repository? I don't think there's anything within scope of the SACM charter that requir= es the existence of a static inventory as part of SACM. But there is an implied need: some of the classifications for endpoints ne= cessary to determine the proper content to apply are not able to be automat= ed. For example MAC levels, CAI values, classification level, whether or n= ot medical, personal privacy, or financial data is processed by that node, = and so on. Being able to automate content selection from the repository, then, would a= lso need a static repository to store non-automatable information about the= assets in some cases. This, in turn, could be a repository that is part o= f the SACM implementation, an external repository, or a combination. This leads to the need for the data flows and query ability necessary to fu= lfill retrieval of this type of static data. It seems a bit early in the process to bring this up, but is there a=20 feeling for how much of these should fall within the scope of SACM at=20 this time? > > Desired state definition - to define the desired state of attributes for > assessment > > Content creation/acquisition - to drive collection of required > attributes from objects for assessment > > Posture Attribute Collection - to collect the necessary attributes from > objects for assessment > > Posture Evaluation - to compare what was collected to the Desired state > definition for the actual assessment result > > If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot > separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue > allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is > unnecessary and potentially "bad" to require it to be in the content. > (in this context, "bad" means that it might actually limit applicability > to some of our scenarios in a manner that scales). > > I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on > different triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks > > trigger assessment when new object is discovered, > > periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new > assessment to items in inventory, > > reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired > state, > > reassess/collect with new content, > > collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, > > evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes > > and do them under different/particular operational constraints > > -- > > Kim Watson > > Office of Cybersecurity and Communications > > Federal Network Resilience > > Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 > > * From gunnar.engelbach@threatguard.com Tue Nov 12 13:15:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4008921E8064 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:15:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LCJ+L+Z-HsK3 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.threatguard.com (server.threatguard.com [207.55.247.173]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B863C11E810A for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:15:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=threatguard.com; b=iRRtoTZVF6g2QBUtfyyAV+xpRvUCxuFpnk2E/0C8DneLL0NbA002QVDyJQccYhK1j1ibDAYwzvWL0lOh3H+TvE1N7/kxxvsHsPp6SOcWkfYZFhvZKKQw0f3JnaqqmcCo; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; Received: (qmail 335 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2013 13:18:19 -0800 Received: from h96-61-82-50.cntcnh.dsl.dynamic.tds.net (HELO ?172.16.1.22?) (96.61.82.50) by 207.55.247.241 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 12 Nov 2013 13:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: <52829A6E.4050505@ThreatGuard.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:15:26 -0500 From: Gunnar Engelbach Organization: ThreatGuard, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Watson, Kimberly" , "sacm@ietf.org" References: <527BF189.4020400@ThreatGuard.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:15:29 -0000 Without these somebody implementing a functional SACM-compliant system would need to do them via a proprietary means. The question is whether or not that is significant to SACM. Is SACM meaningful enough without either or both of these? And to be clear on your last statement, some content selection can be automated, but not all. On 11/12/2013 2:01 PM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: > I completely agree that the first two items I mention are required for the SACM usage scenarios/use cases, but that they might not be within the scope SACM. I'm not sure the right balance for this activity and the charter. The inventory is comprised of both things discovered and static things associated with information about them that defines necessary assessment activities/policy. You would want to assess all things in your organization that the assessment applies to...and you would want to know when something was not being assessed. > > Without the ability to discover objects and communicate that to the assessment "task engine" (for lack of a better term), you cannot determine what objects have not been assessed...and by extension, you cannot make valid assertions about organizational or enterprise compliance to any policy. > > Without some place that knows the objects to be assessed and the information about those objects that determines what content must be "run" (again, for lack of a better term), you cannot determine what objects have not been assessed...yadda yadda yadda. > > -- > Kim Watson > Office of Cybersecurity and Communications > Federal Network Resilience > Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gunnar Engelbach [mailto:Gunnar.Engelbach@ThreatGuard.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:01 PM > To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios > > > > Sadly, I too have not yet had opportunity to watch the recordings, but I think that a couple of the item you mentioned are worth further discussion. Inlined... > > > On 11/7/2013 11:39 AM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: >> In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts...I have not >> had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these >> thoughts or not... >> >> I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) >> that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of >> security posture assessment... >> >> So we need: >> >> Object discovery - to know what items need to have posture assessed > > There is an implied necessity for this -- after all, an assessment cannot proceed without having some target for that assessment. > > Given the broad range of what could constitute discovery -- querying an inventory system, ringing out a network, manually entering targets, endpoint self-reporting, capturing DHCP/NAC/NAP events, starting a desktop system, etc -- trying to define what constitutes discovery should be outside the scope of SACM. > > On the other hand, particularly keeping in mind that anything implementing the SACM standards is likely exist as part of a larger infrastructure, the ability to be able to communicate the target of an assessment into a SACM implementation is a reasonable necessity. > > If this data flow is merely a list of one or more targets of interest, that's a fairly simple but limited data flow. It quickly gets more complex if the SACM system is expected to fulfill the terms of a request by ringing out the network, querying an inventory system, monitoring network events, etc. > > > >> >> Object inventory - to determine assessment needs, and (I think) >> associate both desired state and content with objects > > Are you saying that an inventory is the result of discovery, or that inventory is a static repository? > > I don't think there's anything within scope of the SACM charter that requires the existence of a static inventory as part of SACM. > > But there is an implied need: some of the classifications for endpoints necessary to determine the proper content to apply are not able to be automated. For example MAC levels, CAI values, classification level, whether or not medical, personal privacy, or financial data is processed by that node, and so on. > > Being able to automate content selection from the repository, then, would also need a static repository to store non-automatable information about the assets in some cases. This, in turn, could be a repository that is part of the SACM implementation, an external repository, or a combination. > > This leads to the need for the data flows and query ability necessary to fulfill retrieval of this type of static data. > > > It seems a bit early in the process to bring this up, but is there a > feeling for how much of these should fall within the scope of SACM at > this time? > > > >> >> Desired state definition - to define the desired state of attributes for >> assessment >> >> Content creation/acquisition - to drive collection of required >> attributes from objects for assessment >> >> Posture Attribute Collection - to collect the necessary attributes from >> objects for assessment >> >> Posture Evaluation - to compare what was collected to the Desired state >> definition for the actual assessment result >> >> If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot >> separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue >> allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is >> unnecessary and potentially "bad" to require it to be in the content. >> (in this context, "bad" means that it might actually limit applicability >> to some of our scenarios in a manner that scales). >> >> I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on >> different triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks >> >> trigger assessment when new object is discovered, >> >> periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new >> assessment to items in inventory, >> >> reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired >> state, >> >> reassess/collect with new content, >> >> collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, >> >> evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes >> >> and do them under different/particular operational constraints >> >> -- >> >> Kim Watson >> >> Office of Cybersecurity and Communications >> >> Federal Network Resilience >> >> Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 >> >> * > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > From kimberly.watson@hq.dhs.gov Wed Nov 13 04:19:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFC021F9D7E for ; 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Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:34:25 -0500 Received: from D2ABLPRHQ100.DSA.DHS (10.237.115.11) by D2IBLPRHQ105.dhs.gov (10.82.4.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:50:56 -0500 Received: from D2ASEPREA006.DSA.DHS ([169.254.10.167]) by D2ABLPRHQ100.DSA.DHS ([fe80::490d:eca6:8d71:b5e0%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:19:36 -0500 From: "Watson, Kimberly" To: Gunnar Engelbach , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wsrrVmwUOfCkKPDLVw7EaLzpoZ8wAAgACSMYCAB3QiAIAAfEMAgACk/NA= Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:19:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <527BF189.4020400@ThreatGuard.com> <52829A6E.4050505@ThreatGuard.com> In-Reply-To: <52829A6E.4050505@ThreatGuard.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.239.235.240] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hq.dhs.gov X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:19:58 -0000 My last comment wasn't about automated vs non-automated content selection, = it was about organizational vs. endpoint compliance reporting/assessment. You must know the difference between compliant (no findings) and not checke= d, and it is important to know how long it has been since an endpoint has b= een checked to do an organizational report. This implies (to me) that witho= ut a static repository (I use static loosely here, in that I mean an invent= ory of known or expected objects that is updated with new objects after eve= ry discovery) you cannot determine from 1 "set" of endpoint assessments an = organization's compliance posture. You have to have multiple "sets", which = implies storage of previous collection, and even then you are not guarantee= d to have ever performed collection/assessment for a particular object so y= ou are not guaranteed to generate a valid report. A static repository resol= ves this issue. As for the SACM piece, I haven't thought enough to decide if SACM is meanin= gful without these pieces, but I do know that these items must store/expres= s the information in a manner that is consistent with SACM or else we can't= query it to create the organizational reporting needed. And maybe that's t= he key point...when I looked at the usage scenarios, I assumed that there w= as limited value in the collection/assessment of a set of endpoints in and = of themselves. It was my assumption that these were actually "rolled up" in= to some enterprise view for awareness and/or action. It is that last piece = that creates a more explicit need for the discovery and inventory. -- Kim Watson Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 -----Original Message----- From: Gunnar Engelbach [mailto:Gunnar.Engelbach@ThreatGuard.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:15 PM To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Without these somebody implementing a functional SACM-compliant system woul= d need to do them via a proprietary means. The question is whether or not = that is significant to SACM. Is SACM meaningful enough without either or b= oth of these? And to be clear on your last statement, some content selection can be autom= ated, but not all. On 11/12/2013 2:01 PM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: > I completely agree that the first two items I mention are required for th= e SACM usage scenarios/use cases, but that they might not be within the sco= pe SACM. I'm not sure the right balance for this activity and the charter. = The inventory is comprised of both things discovered and static things asso= ciated with information about them that defines necessary assessment activi= ties/policy. You would want to assess all things in your organization that = the assessment applies to...and you would want to know when something was n= ot being assessed. > > Without the ability to discover objects and communicate that to the asses= sment "task engine" (for lack of a better term), you cannot determine what = objects have not been assessed...and by extension, you cannot make valid as= sertions about organizational or enterprise compliance to any policy. > > Without some place that knows the objects to be assessed and the informat= ion about those objects that determines what content must be "run" (again, = for lack of a better term), you cannot determine what objects have not been= assessed...yadda yadda yadda. > > -- > Kim Watson > Office of Cybersecurity and Communications > Federal Network Resilience > Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gunnar Engelbach [mailto:Gunnar.Engelbach@ThreatGuard.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:01 PM > To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios > > > > Sadly, I too have not yet had opportunity to watch the recordings, but I = think that a couple of the item you mentioned are worth further discussion.= Inlined... > > > On 11/7/2013 11:39 AM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: >> In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts...I have not >> had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these >> thoughts or not... >> >> I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) >> that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of >> security posture assessment... >> >> So we need: >> >> Object discovery - to know what items need to have posture assessed > > There is an implied necessity for this -- after all, an assessment cannot= proceed without having some target for that assessment. > > Given the broad range of what could constitute discovery -- querying an i= nventory system, ringing out a network, manually entering targets, endpoint= self-reporting, capturing DHCP/NAC/NAP events, starting a desktop system, = etc -- trying to define what constitutes discovery should be outside the sc= ope of SACM. > > On the other hand, particularly keeping in mind that anything implementin= g the SACM standards is likely exist as part of a larger infrastructure, th= e ability to be able to communicate the target of an assessment into a SACM= implementation is a reasonable necessity. > > If this data flow is merely a list of one or more targets of interest, th= at's a fairly simple but limited data flow. It quickly gets more complex i= f the SACM system is expected to fulfill the terms of a request by ringing = out the network, querying an inventory system, monitoring network events, e= tc. > > > >> >> Object inventory - to determine assessment needs, and (I think) >> associate both desired state and content with objects > > Are you saying that an inventory is the result of discovery, or that inve= ntory is a static repository? > > I don't think there's anything within scope of the SACM charter that requ= ires the existence of a static inventory as part of SACM. > > But there is an implied need: some of the classifications for endpoints = necessary to determine the proper content to apply are not able to be autom= ated. For example MAC levels, CAI values, classification level, whether or= not medical, personal privacy, or financial data is processed by that node= , and so on. > > Being able to automate content selection from the repository, then, would= also need a static repository to store non-automatable information about t= he assets in some cases. This, in turn, could be a repository that is part= of the SACM implementation, an external repository, or a combination. > > This leads to the need for the data flows and query ability necessary to = fulfill retrieval of this type of static data. > > > It seems a bit early in the process to bring this up, but is there a > feeling for how much of these should fall within the scope of SACM at > this time? > > > >> >> Desired state definition - to define the desired state of attributes for >> assessment >> >> Content creation/acquisition - to drive collection of required >> attributes from objects for assessment >> >> Posture Attribute Collection - to collect the necessary attributes from >> objects for assessment >> >> Posture Evaluation - to compare what was collected to the Desired state >> definition for the actual assessment result >> >> If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot >> separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue >> allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is >> unnecessary and potentially "bad" to require it to be in the content. >> (in this context, "bad" means that it might actually limit applicability >> to some of our scenarios in a manner that scales). >> >> I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate on >> different triggers for assessment associated with these building blocks >> >> trigger assessment when new object is discovered, >> >> periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new >> assessment to items in inventory, >> >> reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired >> state, >> >> reassess/collect with new content, >> >> collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, >> >> evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes >> >> and do them under different/particular operational constraints >> >> -- >> >> Kim Watson >> >> Office of Cybersecurity and Communications >> >> Federal Network Resilience >> >> Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 >> >> * > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Nov 13 05:31:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F9421E8118 for ; 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Please note that any such recordings may be subject to discovery= in the event of litigation.=20 From Kent_Landfield@mcafee.com Thu Nov 14 13:05:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E474D11E80FA for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:05:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6thQiT2VRFqx for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from MIVWSMAILOUT1.mcafee.com (mivwsmailout1.mcafee.com [161.69.47.167]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB00221E8096 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from MIVEXAMER1N2.corp.nai.org (unknown [10.48.48.12]) by MIVWSMAILOUT1.mcafee.com with smtp id 4748_ddd4_e0b8ae99_a720_477f_97fb_ac3f5f5c01d8; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:05:30 -0600 Received: from MIVEXEMEA1N1.corp.nai.org (10.48.48.31) by MIVEXAMER1N2.corp.nai.org (10.48.48.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:05:04 -0500 Received: from MIVEXAMER1N1.corp.nai.org ([169.254.2.68]) by MIVEXEMEA1N1.corp.nai.org ([169.254.3.231]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:05:04 -0500 From: To: Thread-Topic: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 Thread-Index: AQHO4X0jBpstVrg/Ak+GU9xtLY5SGQ== Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:04:41 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20131114182538.25032.72025.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.48.48.240] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CEAA96BC58230kentlandfieldmcafeecom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:05:38 -0000 --_000_CEAA96BC58230kentlandfieldmcafeecom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How long is the working session planned for? 1, 2, 3 or more hours? Just = need to make sure I block out that time so I can focus on the meeting entir= ely. Thanks. Kent Landfield McAfee | An Intel Company Direct: +1.972.963.7096 Mobile: +1.817.637.8026 Web: www.mcafee.com From: IETF Secretariat > Reply-To: "sacm@ietf.org" > Date: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:25 PM To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" > Subject: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 The SACM Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday, Dece= mber 17, 2013 at 2:00pm Eastern Standard Time. WebEx details included below: **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees **** Hello , Topic: SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 Time: 2:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) Meeting Number: 314 306 861 Meeting Password: 1234 ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?ED=3D46248778&UID=3D0&PW=3DNODQ1= YWQ0N2Vl&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: 1234 4. Click "Join". To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?ED=3D46248778&UID=3D0&PW=3DNODQ1YWQ0N2Vl&= ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D ------------------------------------------------------- To join the audio conference only ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-479-3208 Access code:314 306 861 ------------------------------------------------------- For assistance ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/mc 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". You can contact me at: avezza@amsl.com To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook= ), click this link: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?ED=3D46248778&UID=3D0&ICS=3DMI&LD=3D1&RD= =3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DAAAAAnkitGL8/GAECmP2y7wRwqdZM6CKKRc-S8y78G7cet8J&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files requ= ires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the meet= ing, please check whether you have the players installed on your computer b= y going to https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/systemdiagnosis.php. Sign up for a free trial of WebEx http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial http://www.webex.com CCP:+16504793208x314306861# IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows audio a= nd any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during the session= to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such= recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns = with the meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join th= e session. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to discovery= in the event of litigation. _______________________________________________ sacm mailing list sacm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --_000_CEAA96BC58230kentlandfieldmcafeecom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <979B8ECEA4A4904CBBDF8CB6039F0468@McAfee.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How long is the working session planned for?  1, 2, 3 or more hou= rs?  Just need to make sure I block out that time so I can focus on th= e meeting entirely.

Thanks.

Kent Landfield

McAfee | An Intel Company
Direct: +1.972.963.7096 
Mobile: +1.817.637.8026
Web: www.mcafee.com

From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat@ietf.org>
Reply-To: "sacm@ietf.org" <= sacm@ietf.org>
Date: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1= 2:25 PM
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Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" <sacm@i= etf.org>
Subject: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Int= erim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013

The SACM Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday,= December 17, 2013 at 2:00pm Eastern Standard Time.

WebEx details included below:

**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****

Hello ,

Topic: SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013
Time: 2:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)
Meeting Number: 314 306 861
Meeting Password: 1234


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4. Click "Join".

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Access code:314 306 861

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You can contact me at:


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 --_000_CEAA96BC58230kentlandfieldmcafeecom_-- From blueroofmusic@gmail.com Thu Nov 14 13:25:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E9511E810D for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZk-UjyZrjiY for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com (mail-ie0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB5F11E810A for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id x13so3691000ief.32 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=EuWspNMJaHHnG9ExKv9DO7fa4reI+6lFrVwJb7T3cdM=; b=mMd5rr32nkkHNfLAGAxSbMLwJQm8un7INCbphGdn8DKHJlQ9UCZRKg5D/sW0HGb/8Y bLF7m8HLYfC+VJGnFs/VHW3W6dFiQYklJvFQa9BkzYmfYtp8uyQ4S/sLGObtqh4QeR3q S/cXRNWnCVCN7rmlinyaCyBLz7o7Ngu9D26ysq4VvkHRzVN6jfj/beXn/Qbk3dr5zf4T jb6tMaDyv5/SdGONC4vM8tcRv5yvS4o0nfm8y5/JutV+2P8hBdhv+63wFoSJr/fRfACo xFqZxR1fthH6igvxuOOONEZtl/8Qq6redVGgxDijku3upRGIwGLpEUQM7+jVlhLie2Ig 1DYg== X-Received: by 10.50.234.162 with SMTP id uf2mr2757235igc.48.1384464324936; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.96.135 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:25:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20131114182538.25032.72025.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: Kent_Landfield@mcafee.com, Ira McDonald Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135fb344acc6e04eb29b8aa Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:25:32 -0000 --001a1135fb344acc6e04eb29b8aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Kent, The doodle poll had 2-hour slots as did Dan's note yesterday: 2-4pm US EST. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > How long is the working session planned for? 1, 2, 3 or more hours? > Just need to make sure I block out that time so I can focus on the meeting > entirely. > > Thanks. > > *Kent Landfield* > > *McAfee | An Intel Company* > Direct: +1.972.963.7096 > Mobile: +1.817.637.8026 > *Web: *www.mcafee.com > > From: IETF Secretariat > Reply-To: "sacm@ietf.org" > Date: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:25 PM > To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" > Subject: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, > 2013 > > The SACM Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday, > December 17, 2013 at 2:00pm Eastern Standard Time. > > WebEx details included below: > > **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees **** > > Hello , > > Topic: SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting > Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 > Time: 2:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) > Meeting Number: 314 306 861 > Meeting Password: 1234 > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) > ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Go to > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?ED=46248778&UID=0&PW=NODQ1YWQ0N2Vl&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: 1234 > 4. Click "Join". > > To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?ED=46248778&UID=0&PW=NODQ1YWQ0N2Vl&ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D > > ------------------------------------------------------- > To join the audio conference only > ------------------------------------------------------- > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-479-3208 > > Access code:314 306 861 > > ------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance > ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Go to https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/mc > 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". > > You can contact me at: > avezza@amsl.com > > > To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft > Outlook), click this link: > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?ED=46248778&UID=0&ICS=MI&LD=1&RD=2&ST=1&SHA2=AAAAAnkitGL8/GAECmP2y7wRwqdZM6CKKRc-S8y78G7cet8J&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D > > The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files > requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the > meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your > computer by going to https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/systemdiagnosis.php. > > Sign up for a free trial of WebEx > http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial > > http://www.webex.com > > CCP:+16504793208x314306861# > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows > audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during the > session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically consent > to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your > concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do > not join the session. Please note that any such recordings may be subject > to discovery in the event of litigation. > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > --001a1135fb344acc6e04eb29b8aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kent,

The doodle poll had 2= -hour slots as did Dan's note yesterday:=A0 2-4pm US EST.

= Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundati= on Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Ch= air - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<= br> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto:bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:04 PM, <Kent_Landfield@mcafee.com> wrote:
How long is the working session planned for? =A01, 2, 3 or more hours?= =A0Just need to make sure I block out that time so I can focus on the meet= ing entirely.

Thanks.

Kent Landfield
McAfee | An Intel Company
Direct: +1.972.963.7096=A0
Mobile: +1.817.637.8026
Web:=A0www.mcafee.com

From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat@ie= tf.org>
Reply-To: "sacm@ietf.org" <sacm@ietf.org>
Date: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1= 2:25 PM
To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.= org>
Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" <sacm@ietf.org>
Subject: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Int= erim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013

The SACM Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday,= December 17, 2013 at 2:00pm Eastern Standard Time.

WebEx details included below:

**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****

Hello ,

Topic: SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013
Time: 2:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)
Meeting Number: 314 306 861
Meeting Password: 1234


-------------------------------------------------------
To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
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2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: 1234
4. Click "Join".

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-------------------------------------------------------
To join the audio conference only
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Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-479-3208

Access code:314 306 861

-------------------------------------------------------
For assistance
-------------------------------------------------------
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

You can contact me at:


To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Ou= tlook), click this link:

The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files= requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the= meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your compu= ter by going to https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/systemdiagnosis.php.

Sign up for a free trial of WebEx


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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows au= dio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during the se= ssion to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically consent to= such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the meeting host prio= r to the start of the recording or do not join the session. Please note tha= t any such recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigatio= n.
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To: "Watson, Kimberly" , Gunnar Engelbach , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios Thread-Index: AQHO22wghRij15+wP0qThm2XrpV9epoZ+Q0AgAA4UoCAB8regIAAJYcAgAD8noCAAjj+QA== Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:18:36 +0000 Message-ID: <01f5c44aa1c144479a95dbe53cea7ab5@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> References: <527BF189.4020400@ThreatGuard.com> <52829A6E.4050505@ThreatGuard.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [129.6.225.167] x-forefront-prvs: 0030839EEE x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(189002)(199002)(13464003)(51704005)(377454003)(479174003)(24454002)(164054003)(66066001)(65816001)(80022001)(33646001)(74662001)(80976001)(81816001)(2656002)(74706001)(74316001)(85306002)(74876001)(54316002)(56776001)(15975445006)(81342001)(74366001)(76482001)(69226001)(46102001)(81686001)(87266001)(59766001)(51856001)(81542001)(53806001)(79102001)(19580395003)(77096001)(47446002)(50986001)(47736001)(74502001)(56816003)(63696002)(77982001)(54356001)(83072001)(19580405001)(47976001)(83322001)(4396001)(76786001)(49866001)(31966008)(76576001)(76796001)(87936001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR09MB037; H:BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:129.6.225.167; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:19:05 -0000 This discussion has been interesting. I am currently integrating the change= s from the editorial sessions last week. I'll capture this discussion in th= e form of questions in the next draft for additional discussion. I hope to = have something posted in the next few working days. Thanks, Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Watson, Kimberly > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:20 AM > To: Gunnar Engelbach; sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios >=20 > My last comment wasn't about automated vs non-automated content > selection, it was about organizational vs. endpoint compliance > reporting/assessment. >=20 > You must know the difference between compliant (no findings) and not > checked, and it is important to know how long it has been since an endpoi= nt > has been checked to do an organizational report. This implies (to me) tha= t > without a static repository (I use static loosely here, in that I mean an > inventory of known or expected objects that is updated with new objects > after every discovery) you cannot determine from 1 "set" of endpoint > assessments an organization's compliance posture. You have to have > multiple "sets", which implies storage of previous collection, and even t= hen > you are not guaranteed to have ever performed collection/assessment for a > particular object so you are not guaranteed to generate a valid report. A > static repository resolves this issue. >=20 > As for the SACM piece, I haven't thought enough to decide if SACM is > meaningful without these pieces, but I do know that these items must > store/express the information in a manner that is consistent with SACM or > else we can't query it to create the organizational reporting needed. And > maybe that's the key point...when I looked at the usage scenarios, I assu= med > that there was limited value in the collection/assessment of a set of > endpoints in and of themselves. It was my assumption that these were > actually "rolled up" into some enterprise view for awareness and/or actio= n. It > is that last piece that creates a more explicit need for the discovery an= d > inventory. >=20 >=20 > -- > Kim Watson > Office of Cybersecurity and Communications Federal Network Resilience > Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gunnar Engelbach [mailto:Gunnar.Engelbach@ThreatGuard.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:15 PM > To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios >=20 >=20 > Without these somebody implementing a functional SACM-compliant system > would need to do them via a proprietary means. The question is whether o= r > not that is significant to SACM. Is SACM meaningful enough without eithe= r or > both of these? >=20 > And to be clear on your last statement, some content selection can be > automated, but not all. >=20 >=20 > On 11/12/2013 2:01 PM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: > > I completely agree that the first two items I mention are required for = the > SACM usage scenarios/use cases, but that they might not be within the > scope SACM. I'm not sure the right balance for this activity and the char= ter. > The inventory is comprised of both things discovered and static things > associated with information about them that defines necessary assessment > activities/policy. You would want to assess all things in your organizati= on that > the assessment applies to...and you would want to know when something > was not being assessed. > > > > Without the ability to discover objects and communicate that to the > assessment "task engine" (for lack of a better term), you cannot determin= e > what objects have not been assessed...and by extension, you cannot make > valid assertions about organizational or enterprise compliance to any pol= icy. > > > > Without some place that knows the objects to be assessed and the > information about those objects that determines what content must be > "run" (again, for lack of a better term), you cannot determine what objec= ts > have not been assessed...yadda yadda yadda. > > > > -- > > Kim Watson > > Office of Cybersecurity and Communications > > Federal Network Resilience > > Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gunnar Engelbach [mailto:Gunnar.Engelbach@ThreatGuard.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:01 PM > > To: Watson, Kimberly; sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [sacm] Latest copy of the Use-Cases & Scenarios > > > > > > > > Sadly, I too have not yet had opportunity to watch the recordings, but = I > think that a couple of the item you mentioned are worth further discussio= n. > Inlined... > > > > > > On 11/7/2013 11:39 AM, Watson, Kimberly wrote: > >> In reading the building blocks section, I had some thoughts...I have n= ot > >> had time to watch the recordings to see if you discussed these > >> thoughts or not... > >> > >> I propose that there are objects (e.g., hardware, software, accounts) > >> that have attributes that we want to know or verify as part of > >> security posture assessment... > >> > >> So we need: > >> > >> Object discovery - to know what items need to have posture assessed > > > > There is an implied necessity for this -- after all, an assessment cann= ot > proceed without having some target for that assessment. > > > > Given the broad range of what could constitute discovery -- querying an > inventory system, ringing out a network, manually entering targets, endpo= int > self-reporting, capturing DHCP/NAC/NAP events, starting a desktop system, > etc -- trying to define what constitutes discovery should be outside the = scope > of SACM. > > > > On the other hand, particularly keeping in mind that anything implement= ing > the SACM standards is likely exist as part of a larger infrastructure, th= e ability > to be able to communicate the target of an assessment into a SACM > implementation is a reasonable necessity. > > > > If this data flow is merely a list of one or more targets of interest, = that's a > fairly simple but limited data flow. It quickly gets more complex if the= SACM > system is expected to fulfill the terms of a request by ringing out the > network, querying an inventory system, monitoring network events, etc. > > > > > > > >> > >> Object inventory - to determine assessment needs, and (I think) > >> associate both desired state and content with objects > > > > Are you saying that an inventory is the result of discovery, or that in= ventory > is a static repository? > > > > I don't think there's anything within scope of the SACM charter that > requires the existence of a static inventory as part of SACM. > > > > But there is an implied need: some of the classifications for endpoint= s > necessary to determine the proper content to apply are not able to be > automated. For example MAC levels, CAI values, classification level, whe= ther > or not medical, personal privacy, or financial data is processed by that = node, > and so on. > > > > Being able to automate content selection from the repository, then, wou= ld > also need a static repository to store non-automatable information about = the > assets in some cases. This, in turn, could be a repository that is part = of the > SACM implementation, an external repository, or a combination. > > > > This leads to the need for the data flows and query ability necessary t= o > fulfill retrieval of this type of static data. > > > > > > It seems a bit early in the process to bring this up, but is there a > > feeling for how much of these should fall within the scope of SACM at > > this time? > > > > > > > >> > >> Desired state definition - to define the desired state of attributes f= or > >> assessment > >> > >> Content creation/acquisition - to drive collection of required > >> attributes from objects for assessment > >> > >> Posture Attribute Collection - to collect the necessary attributes fro= m > >> objects for assessment > >> > >> Posture Evaluation - to compare what was collected to the Desired stat= e > >> definition for the actual assessment result > >> > >> If you do not call out a desired state specification, then you cannot > >> separate evaluation from collection where desired. I have no issue > >> allowing the definition to be in the content, but I believe it is > >> unnecessary and potentially "bad" to require it to be in the content. > >> (in this context, "bad" means that it might actually limit applicabili= ty > >> to some of our scenarios in a manner that scales). > >> > >> I think all the combination of usage scenarios in fact differentiate o= n > >> different triggers for assessment associated with these building block= s > >> > >> trigger assessment when new object is discovered, > >> > >> periodically assess everything in inventory or define/apply new > >> assessment to items in inventory, > >> > >> reassess with new desired state or create new content for new desired > >> state, > >> > >> reassess/collect with new content, > >> > >> collect when attribute changes, content changes, or periodically, > >> > >> evaluate against new desired state or with new collected attributes > >> > >> and do them under different/particular operational constraints > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Kim Watson > >> > >> Office of Cybersecurity and Communications > >> > >> Federal Network Resilience > >> > >> Blackberry: (202) 494-2534 > >> > >> * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm From dromasca@avaya.com Fri Nov 15 00:40:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200B121F994A for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 00:40:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ajTFUUx8sfk7 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 00:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0119721F961F for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 00:40:18 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwLAMHchVLGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABAFwOCQyMhOFOqPgOUYYEiFnSCJQEBAQEDAQEBDzcMEQIGGwIBCAcGBAMBAQELCgQMAwcnCxQJBwECBAESCBqHXwEMNqMTjmaOEReFK4cygTkRAQx9CxUBDAoBEQeDCIERA4kKlWuLJ4JWUoFxOQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,706,1378872000"; d="scan'208,217";a="37137240" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2013 03:38:57 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.11]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2013 03:32:52 -0500 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC01.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.11]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:38:55 +0100 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Kent_Landfield@McAfee.com" , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 Thread-Index: AQHO4WcCklZNuh8WAEK88Jfv7goBq5olJrOAgADSnew= Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:38:55 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1293DA71@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <20131114182538.25032.72025.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [198.152.73.22] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1293DA71AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 08:40:24 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1293DA71AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kent, We plan for a two hours meeting. Regards, Dan ________________________________ From: sacm-bounces@ietf.org [sacm-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Kent_Landf= ield@McAfee.com [Kent_Landfield@McAfee.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:04 PM To: sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, = 2013 How long is the working session planned for? 1, 2, 3 or more hours? Just = need to make sure I block out that time so I can focus on the meeting entir= ely. Thanks. Kent Landfield McAfee | An Intel Company Direct: +1.972.963.7096 Mobile: +1.817.637.8026 Web: www.mcafee.com From: IETF Secretariat > Reply-To: "sacm@ietf.org" > Date: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:25 PM To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" > Subject: [sacm] SACM WG Virtual Interim Meeting, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 The SACM Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday, Dece= mber 17, 2013 at 2:00pm Eastern Standard Time. 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Hi Kent,

We plan for a two hours meeting.

Regards,

Dan

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How long is the working session planned for?  1, 2, 3 or more hou= rs?  Just need to make sure I block out that time so I can focus on th= e meeting entirely.

Thanks.

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [sacm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:45:15 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Waltermire, David > A. > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:27 AM > To: sacm@ietf.org > Subject: [sacm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-sacm-use- > cases-05.txt >=20 > I just posted an updated use case draft based on the editorial sessions > during the IETF 88 meeting in Vancouver, BC, Canada. My thanks to all > that provided input. >=20 [[DR]] Thanks, David and all contributors! ... >=20 > I hope to release at least one or two more updates to this draft within > the next few weeks before the holidays catch up on us. I know everyone > is busy; timely comments are appreciated to allow for a quick turnaround > on the next revision. [[DR]] Please do not forget about the virtual interim scheduled for 12/17. = Hopefully one more version could be released before this date addressing th= e comments against the current version=20 Regards, Dan From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Nov 20 14:58:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBE21ACC8B; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:58:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4COyWSw3z9nH; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D45F1AE1D0; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:57:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.83.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131120225753.9031.77422.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:57:53 -0800 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:56:18 -0800 Cc: sacm@ietf.org Subject: [sacm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:58:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monito= ring Working Group of the IETF. Title : Endpoint Security Posture Assessment - Enterprise Use Ca= ses Author(s) : David Waltermire David Harrington Filename : draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2013-11-20 Abstract: This memo documents a sampling of use cases for securely aggregating configuration and operational data and evaluating that data to determine an organization's security posture. From these operational use cases, we can derive common functional capabilities and requirements to guide development of vendor-neutral, interoperable standards for aggregating and evaluating data relevant to security posture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From david.waltermire@nist.gov Thu Nov 21 05:14:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2831AE140 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:14:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MaCHTwFXY38J for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1blp0183.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.183]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355B1ADF73 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (10.255.211.144) by BLUPR09MB037.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (10.255.211.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.825.14; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:14:13 +0000 Received: from BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.38]) by BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.38]) with mapi id 15.00.0825.006; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:14:13 +0000 From: "Waltermire, David A." To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt Thread-Index: AQHO5q8lkM78edx6E0yaDpKLTYnREZovqXqw Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:14:13 +0000 Message-ID: <5d44427ba36a4d8fbb64443b8a76d243@BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> References: <20131120225753.9031.68753.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA129438E4@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA129438E4@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [129.6.225.167] x-forefront-prvs: 0037FD6480 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(164054003)(51704005)(189002)(199002)(224313003)(56816003)(2656002)(54316002)(224303002)(47446002)(76576001)(69226001)(80022001)(76786001)(56776001)(76796001)(74502001)(66066001)(87266001)(54356001)(59766001)(81816001)(74366001)(53806001)(83322001)(76482001)(63696002)(46102001)(74316001)(33646001)(81342001)(74706001)(31966008)(87936001)(74876001)(74662001)(50986001)(83072001)(85306002)(65816001)(77096001)(81686001)(81542001)(49866001)(47736001)(4396001)(80976001)(51856001)(77982001)(47976001)(79102001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR09MB037; H:BLUPR09MB038.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:129.6.225.167; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov Subject: Re: [sacm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:14:23 -0000 > > I hope to release at least one or two more updates to this draft > > within the next few weeks before the holidays catch up on us. I know > > everyone is busy; timely comments are appreciated to allow for a quick > > turnaround on the next revision. >=20 > [[DR]] Please do not forget about the virtual interim scheduled for 12/17= . > Hopefully one more version could be released before this date addressing > the comments against the current version Good point. I'll target an updated draft for before the meeting. Thanks, Dave From ietf@rozanak.com Thu Nov 21 06:45:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3681ADFD9; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:45:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.347, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vZhtjLIEeXDN; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010F01ADFAC; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxuslxltgw09.lxa.perfora.net (oxuslxltgw09.lxa.perfora.net [172.19.206.11]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LaGRy-1VFQ621Wwg-00lyyY; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:45:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: Hosnieh To: "Apps Discuss, IETF" , sacm@ietf.org Message-ID: <492903078.119554.1385045144290.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_119553_1946904892.1385045144246" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.4.0-Rev20 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:3Z3qN93g2zqkOeqHX9wz7r9IELWWSeiu9I1kAfP/9qD vOOntbwqYjry/LPqTjCtMm37HK0Gr8S2h6q7voOmQZYmoR5n09 0LXEihH85NjqNPvhnk3vGfsSz/DhHtC1ghoImEkwc8zkbb9sAb XcCVTPgSglSYknViMbpEDHu3YuL/0cedENxlU4GzUJ2QsBWvXG kWGL8RWgdY4+wZNJ0Tj4GLgFNvK2SrbA5I3ZcGayX6JqkLhx9n FLi+qn95E1LYu9xSOKEcbTG5H/DOJDZfODwmXBh6sJRBi07CKP wQ2PcoD9T6GbsNw54Q/5Kr3osLwrOgNqJ4MeL5nqzfxDwfDZYp DMfl6gUw9A/knQ30uiuoaiEvF8J+TRJbjIjiJcJh8HPIXSvngu iQORG37CPoOs9CoLp5aXFBltwOTpZ1i6wpqrvy3cdXDRlK+14y 8NQp2 Cc: "Nordmark, Erik" Subject: [sacm] Is latency is important for you? X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hosnieh List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:45:53 -0000 ------=_Part_119553_1946904892.1385045144246 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I do not know in which WG I saw a message and a discussion of IID generation and latency problems. If it was not in this mailinglist but I guess it is a good place to start since it really relates to this WG. I have a very important question. Please rate your experience about the latency you encountered in any network that was because of IP configuration of your node. Thanks, --- Smile, Hosnieh Sorry for tpyos from my chubby fingers typing on my phone ------=_Part_119553_1946904892.1385045144246 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello,
 
I do not know in which WG I saw a message and a discussion of IID generation and latency problems. If it was not in this mailinglist but I guess it is a good place to start since it really relates to this WG.
I have a very important question. Please rate  your experience about the latency you encountered in any network that was because of IP configuration of your node.
 
 
Thanks,
 
 
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Smile,
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------=_Part_119553_1946904892.1385045144246-- From henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 22 01:29:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5DA1AC421 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:29:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.375 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.375 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.525] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S1X88LWUE5Kg for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.72.89]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097E51AC7F0 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (mail.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.84.171] (may be forged)) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2/8.13.6/9.9.9) with ESMTP id rAM9SsSn018166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:28:56 +0100 Received: from [134.102.227.51] (134.102.227.51) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:28:50 +0100 Message-ID: <528F23D0.3080504@sit.fraunhofer.de> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:28:48 +0100 From: Henk Birkholz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <20131120225753.9031.68753.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030106040401080204080601" X-Originating-IP: [134.102.227.51] Subject: Re: [sacm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:29:09 -0000 --------------ms030106040401080204080601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding the first two question in section 2: 1.) Security automation today often supports the user/operator, I think. = There are cases a security-process can be fully automated, of course,=20 and in order to manage the sheer amount of security related system=20 events automation is essential, but it seems to me that the complexity=20 and heterogeneity of root-causes (that might trigger the work-flow) make = the inclusion of a user/operator necessary. 2.) To include acquisition methods can provide an intuitive insight=20 about the scope and intend of the endpoint posture assessment domain, I=20 think. On one hand, that might bloat the use-case document a bit (and=20 maybe renders the title "sacm use cases" too specific?). On the other=20 hand, I like the inclusion of a work-flow scenario and I think it is a=20 good place to highlight acquisition methods. - Henk On 11/21/2013 12:27 AM, Waltermire, David A. wrote: > I just posted an updated use case draft based on the editorial sessions= during the IETF 88 meeting in Vancouver, BC, Canada. My thanks to all th= at provided input. > > I used the word version that we edited as a starting point. Here is wha= t I did: > > - I worked through the use cases we planned to remove and made sure to = merge in any concepts that would be lost. If you submitted a previous use= case that was removed, please double check that I didn't miss anything. > - I broke up "Endpoint Identification and Assessment" into 3 distinct a= nd somewhat separable use cases: "Endpoint Identification and Assessment = Planning", "Endpoint Posture Attribute Value Collection", "Posture Evalua= tion". Please let me know what you think about this change. > - Addressed some aspects of the discussion thread based on the working = session changes. Please provide any suggested edits for aspects that I mi= ght have missed or got wrong. > > The rest of the changes can be found in the draft's change log. > > If possible, I'd like to get to a fairly stable place with this draft i= n the next revision or two to allow for progress to be made on the requir= ements. In addition to the embedded questions in the document, I'd like t= o focus on the following questions: > > Is the draft approachable for a newcomer to the effort? Do you see the = updated use case structure as an improvement? > Does this draft paint a complete enough picture? Are we missing any imp= ortant concepts? > Is there anything you can't live with? > > I hope to release at least one or two more updates to this draft within= the next few weeks before the holidays catch up on us. I know everyone = is busy; timely comments are appreciated to allow for a quick turnaround = on the next revision. > > Thanks, > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:58 PM > To: Waltermire, David A.; David Harrington > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-05.txt has been success= fully submitted by David Waltermire and posted to the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases > Revision: 05 > Title: Endpoint Security Posture Assessment - Enterprise Use Cases > Creation date: 2013-11-20 > Group: sacm > Number of pages: 24 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sacm-us= e-cases-05.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-use-ca= ses > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sacm-use-cases-0= 5 > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sacm-use= -cases-05 > > Abstract: > This memo documents a sampling of use cases for securely aggregatin= g > configuration and operational data and evaluating that data to > determine an organization's security posture. From these operation= al > use cases, we can derive common functional capabilities and > requirements to guide development of vendor-neutral, interoperable > standards for aggregating and evaluating data relevant to security > posture. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org= =2E > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --------------ms030106040401080204080601 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIUXDCC BC4wggMWoAMCAQICAgEMMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMHExCzAJBgNVBAYTAkRFMRwwGgYDVQQK 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:07:04 -0000 Hi, I uploaded the preliminary minutes from the IETF 88 SACM WG meeting - http:= //www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/minutes/minutes-88-sacm. Thanks to Aaron Wola= nd and Kent Landfield for the excellent notes the minutes are based upon. P= lease read, correct the mistakes and fill in the missing.=20 Thanks and Regards,=20 Dan