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addressed in the current version of the terminology draft

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<p>addressed in the current version of the terminology draft</p>

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/9" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/9" data-id="89049606" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#9</a>.</p>

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moved to the appendix and will get pruned if not used

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<p>moved to the appendix and will get pruned if not used</p>

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FYI

NIST Announces the release of  (1) Draft NISTIR 8011, Automation
Support for Security Control Assessments - Volume 1: Overview and
Volume 2: Hardware Asset Management,  available for public comment
(see details below).

(1) Details for DRAFT NISTIR 8011
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All: Friendly reminder that the Doodle poll for our March virtual =
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All:

Doodle has spoken and our next virtual interim will be held at 5pm UTC =
on March 9 for two hours.  We=E2=80=99ll put together an agenda and =
officially schedule the meeting soon.

Kind regards,

Adam

> On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Adam Montville =
<adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
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> All: Friendly reminder that the Doodle poll for our March virtual =
interim will close tomorrow at 23:59 UTC.=20
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>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Adam Montville =
<adam.w.montville@gmail.com <mailto:adam.w.montville@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi All:
>>=20
>> I have created a NEW Doodle poll for the week of March 7 here: =
http://doodle.com/poll/q6vwrpaaadx2xhgb =
<http://doodle.com/poll/q6vwrpaaadx2xhgb>
>>=20
>> The old Doodle poll has been deleted.
>>=20
>> Please participate before 23:59 UTC on February 9, so a selection can =
be made on February 10.
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>> I apologize for the confusion, and I have explicitly enabled timezone =
support in this poll.
>>=20
>> Kind regards,
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>> Adam
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 has spoken and our next virtual interim will be held at 5pm UTC on =
March 9 for two hours. &nbsp;We=E2=80=99ll put together an agenda and =
officially schedule the meeting soon.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Kind regards,</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Adam</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Feb 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Adam Montville &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adam.w.montville@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">adam.w.montville@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">All: Friendly reminder that the Doodle poll for our March =
virtual interim will close tomorrow at 23:59 UTC.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:01 AM, =
Adam Montville &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adam.w.montville@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">adam.w.montville@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi All:<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have created a NEW =
Doodle poll for the week of March 7 here:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://doodle.com/poll/q6vwrpaaadx2xhgb" =
class=3D"">http://doodle.com/poll/q6vwrpaaadx2xhgb</a></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The old Doodle poll has =
been deleted.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Please participate before 23:59 UTC on February 9, so a =
selection can be made on February 10.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I apologize for the confusion, and I =
have explicitly enabled timezone support in this poll.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Kind regards,</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Adam</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
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The SACM working group will have a virtual interim meeting on Wednesday, =
March 9 at 17:00 UTC (12:00 EST) for two hours.

The agenda will include at least the following:
- Open issues on requirements draft (if any)
- Information model gaps and data models
- Vulnerability assessment scenario

The WebEx details are as follows:

SACM March Virtual Interim
Wednesday, March 9, 2016
12:00pm EST (GMT-5:00), 2 hours

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Meeting Number: 641 424 985
Meeting Password: 4uPZsJ8K

Join by phone (US/Canada): 1-650-479-3208

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Wednesday, March 9 at 17:00 UTC (12:00 EST) for two hours.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The agenda will include =
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<p>Agree</p>

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Closed #69.

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An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Karen O&#39;Donoghue, a Chair of the sacm working group.


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Working Group Name: Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring
Area Name: Security Area
Session Requester: Karen O&#39;Donoghue

Number of Sessions: 2
Length of Session(s):  2.5 Hours, 2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 50
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: core anima dots i2nsf tcpinc supa httpauth oauth radext dime ace 6tisch scim jose ipsecme tls netmod netconf opsec saag mile xrblock lmap i2rs dane cose acme ntp tictoc trans




Special Requests:
  I am (I think) resubmitting because I did not see my original request.  We&#39;d ideally like to meet on Monday and Thurs/Friday.
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Hi Everyone,

The SACM Information Model currently contains three sections related to rep=
orts: "Report", "Report Generator", and "Reporting Guidance". During IETF 9=
4, we discussed whether or not reports were out-of-scope for SACM. This dis=
cussion was based on a question that was found in the text of the Informati=
on Model which said:



                    "ISSUE (CEK): Should we take modeling of reports out of=
 scope?  It is clear that reports are needed.  But is a *standard* for repo=
rts needed, and does it deserve our priority?"

During the discussion, it was noted that reports are likely very organizati=
on specific which may make it difficult to standardize around and that stan=
dardizing reports is not explicitly called out in the charter.

In general, the group seemed to be leaning towards this and that the report=
-related sections should be removed.  With that said, I wanted to ping the =
list to get feedback from the rest of the group.

Does this change seem reasonable?  Are there any objections this change?

Please provide any feedback by Wednesday March 2nd.

Thanks,

Danny

[1] https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model/issues/30


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#8220;Reporting Guidance&#8221;. During IETF 94, we discussed whether or no=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Danny<o:p></o:p></p>
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https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model/issues/30</a><o=
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Subject: Re: [sacm] IM Issue #30: Are reports out of scope for SACM and can they be removed from the Information Model?
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The charter might mention "report results", but that's an action not a
thing.  Generally, it seems that we agree (or there are at least no
objections) to removing the concept of complex reporting and sticking the
the relatively simple "we want to report plain results".

On Thursday, February 25, 2016, Haynes, Dan <dhaynes@mitre.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback!  That seems like a reasonable approach to me Dan=
.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> *From:* Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dromasca@avaya.com');>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2016 5:48 AM
> *To:* Jim Bieda (jbieda) <jbieda@cisco.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jbieda@cisco.com');>>; Haynes, Dan <
> dhaynes@mitre.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dhaynes@mitre.org');>>;
> sacm@ietf.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sacm@ietf.org');>
> *Subject:* RE: [sacm] IM Issue #30: Are reports out of scope for SACM and
> can they be removed from the Information Model?
>
>
>
> I agree. I would not say that =E2=80=98reports are out of scope for SACM=
=E2=80=99,
> actually the charter mentions =E2=80=98report results=E2=80=99 as the las=
t step in  endpoint
> posture assessment.  There is nothing in the deliverables however about
> reporting mechanisms. We may later discuss extending the charter if the
> issue surfaces as a requirement.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sacm-bounces@ietf.org');>] *On Behalf Of *J=
im
> Bieda (jbieda)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:17 PM
> *To:* Haynes, Dan; sacm@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sacm@ietf.org');>
> *Subject:* Re: [sacm] IM Issue #30: Are reports out of scope for SACM and
> can they be removed from the Information Model?
>
>
>
> Dan,
>
>
>
> I think reports are out of scope for sacm.  No objections to taking
> =E2=80=9Creport=E2=80=9D language out.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From: *sacm <sacm-bounces@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sacm-bounces@ietf.org');>> on behalf of
> "Haynes, Dan" <dhaynes@mitre.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dhaynes@mitre.org');>>
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 12:10 PM
> *To: *"sacm@ietf.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sacm@ietf.org');>" <
> sacm@ietf.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sacm@ietf.org');>>
> *Subject: *[sacm] IM Issue #30: Are reports out of scope for SACM and can
> they be removed from the Information Model?
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> The SACM Information Model currently contains three sections related to r=
eports: =E2=80=9CReport=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CReport Generator=E2=80=9D, and =
=E2=80=9CReporting Guidance=E2=80=9D. During IETF 94, we discussed whether =
or not reports were out-of-scope for SACM. This discussion was based on a q=
uestion that was found in the text of the Information Model which said:
>
>
>
>                     =E2=80=9CISSUE (CEK): Should we take modeling of repo=
rts out of scope?  It is clear that reports are needed.  But is a *standard=
* for reports needed, and does it deserve our priority?=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> During the discussion, it was noted that reports are likely very
> organization specific which may make it difficult to standardize around a=
nd
> that standardizing reports is not explicitly called out in the charter.
>
>
>
> In general, the group seemed to be leaning towards this and that the
> report-related sections should be removed.  With that said, I wanted to
> ping the list to get feedback from the rest of the group.
>
>
>
> Does this change seem reasonable?  Are there any objections this change?
>
>
>
> Please provide any feedback by Wednesday March 2nd.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model/issues/30
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_sacmwg=
_draft-2Dietf-2Dsacm-2Dinformation-2Dmodel_issues_30&d=3DBQMGaQ&c=3DBFpWQw8=
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>
>
>

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The charter might mention &quot;report results&quot;, but that&#39;s an act=
ion not a thing.=C2=A0 Generally, it seems that we agree (or there are at l=
east no objections) to removing the concept of complex reporting and sticki=
ng the the relatively simple &quot;we want to report plain results&quot;.<b=
r><br>On Thursday, February 25, 2016, Haynes, Dan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dha=
ynes@mitre.org">dhaynes@mitre.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks for the feedbac=
k!=C2=A0 That seems like a reasonable approach to me Dan.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Danny <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:<a href=3D=
"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;dromasca@avaya.com&#39;);" target=
=3D"_blank">dromasca@avaya.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 25, 2016 5:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Bieda (jbieda) &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml=
&#39;,&#39;jbieda@cisco.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">jbieda@cisco.com</a>&=
gt;; Haynes, Dan &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;dh=
aynes@mitre.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">dhaynes@mitre.org</a>&gt;; <a hre=
f=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;sacm@ietf.org&#39;);" target=
=3D"_blank">sacm@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [sacm] IM Issue #30: Are reports out of scope for SACM =
and can they be removed from the Information Model?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I agree. I would not s=
ay that =E2=80=98reports are out of scope for SACM=E2=80=99, actually the c=
harter mentions =E2=80=98report results=E2=80=99 as the last step in
<span><span style=3D"background:white">=C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"b=
ackground:white">endpoint posture assessment.</span></span><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.5pt;color:#1f497d;background:white">
</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0There is nothing in the delivera=
bles however about reporting mechanisms. We may later discuss extending the=
 charter if the issue surfaces as a requirement.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Dan<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> sacm [<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%=
7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;sacm-bounces@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">m=
ailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Bieda (jbieda)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Haynes, Dan; <a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39=
;sacm@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">sacm@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sacm] IM Issue #30: Are reports out of scope for SACM =
and can they be removed from the Information Model?<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Dan,<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I think=
 reports are out of scope for sacm.=C2=A0 No objections to taking =E2=80=9C=
report=E2=80=9D language out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Thanks,=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Jim<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From: </span></b><spa=
n style=3D"color:black">sacm &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&=
#39;,&#39;sacm-bounces@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">sacm-bounces@ietf=
.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;Haynes, Dan&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"javascript=
:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;dhaynes@mitre.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">=
dhaynes@mitre.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 12:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;sacm@i=
etf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">sacm@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ja=
vascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;sacm@ietf.org&#39;);" target=3D"_bla=
nk">sacm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[sacm] IM Issue #30: Are reports out of scope for SACM and =
can they be removed from the Information Model?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black">Hi Everyone,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black"><br>The SACM Information Model currently contains three s=
ections related to reports: =E2=80=9CReport=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CReport Gener=
ator=E2=80=9D, and =E2=80=9CReporting Guidance=E2=80=9D. During IETF 94, we=
 discussed whether or not reports were out-of-scope for SACM. This discussi=
on was based on a question that was found in the text of the Information Mo=
del which said:</span><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></=
span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CISSUE (C=
EK): Should we take modeling of reports out of scope?=C2=A0 It is clear tha=
t reports are needed.=C2=A0 But is a *standard* for reports needed, and doe=
s it deserve our priority?=E2=80=9D</span><span style=3D"color:black"><u></=
u><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">During the discussion, i=
t was noted that reports are likely very organization specific which may ma=
ke it difficult to standardize around and that standardizing reports is not=
 explicitly called out in the charter.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">In general, the group se=
emed to be leaning towards this and that the report-related sections should=
 be removed.=C2=A0 With that said, I wanted to ping the list to get feedbac=
k from the rest of the group.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Does this change seem re=
asonable?=C2=A0 Are there any objections this change?<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Please provide any feedb=
ack by Wednesday March 2<sup>nd</sup>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Danny<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">[1] <a href=3D"https://u=
rldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_sacmwg_draft-2Diet=
f-2Dsacm-2Dinformation-2Dmodel_issues_30&amp;d=3DBQMGaQ&amp;c=3DBFpWQw8bsuK=
pl1SgiZH64Q&amp;r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&amp;m=3DKA_=
lqiWk-b7sw9xqusdu9NYCMpeOgaVwtsSlAi-U_Fw&amp;s=3DkNP6IecVC7QSmIw-pW2vTnM8Rf=
gyhQw9INLUlEvTcpk&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model/issues/30</a><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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