From nobody Thu Jun 1 05:41:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404AA129B8B for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:41:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IRwUtQZYBQgS for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF441129516 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id f102so34308687ioi.2 for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 05:41:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QzWmQk6mvpn5zKs3fs19xk9rpBU2GEEtxdGSgUHTJXg=; b=BiFkNhmXffGj4m6+Twd7lvrHe3YVzQSeSiDR43QLd7TRlPTAlUop8fi4wwQexD+s1B hUGdgZ+r9zHKAd5NIVVbwurw3xwzoKQYdVzKi2+LqdfcGGeiZvoDU5LQ6Pt+uOK1RbjV FwY/jb5pBVBVabYol+RSYOlx/3fjhW61LQP2F+kj/0AH5/C1RWHzaNQE0xC2ydp0vx5Q GGtdqtx0SEOxq9a3+NK0hVXlml7yw1uIXBxs1kGaZ7Q/ooTubu4x+VlJ+sxwnoxYLd7b M6Yw5sPYC8/Wonu7GGJrYAiWyiZMYG+lZJ98EDpt7L7la80rPw61MJJCYD/x7sUJqStc 6N9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=QzWmQk6mvpn5zKs3fs19xk9rpBU2GEEtxdGSgUHTJXg=; b=ALqnAbTnSjqWndXrl+2+U8CWtGSuLJiSNEjbQkQePB6SuIUszfxwOd/o55qwo5qyPz RAOMJ0mSC1plA9rM4MF/+8wiJzZjCVwRh8w5H5HKz0g1TCe5YRObZzlU6kbeB804G6HV mJ2KP9/dbGTyLy+MBBtZ7Ee8NE6TsOPkWb6E63oTTbonLZYb7aBdKK4prIOh87lOInXv svIAPSA68WLKpqBnXBy18KRnNNCnhQvpjkaN843knWBKmrFx+evRCDkAv2+Q1DlLToId jde/1wUgPHlGFe2WA3Uont2VcwctcY55lo5GqT0IjIIhcr0TyiWz0I6of4StkxoiaxjT iStA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDQG+qQpiErXZp06hxamhCri/xzw1iIdt1jRwn2Fh4koqFfThKg zyfUCjj0CZ4t6PV3x5zUwoZjNUYqCQ== X-Received: by 10.107.23.66 with SMTP id 63mr1778773iox.184.1496320880046; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 05:41:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8C64EB1F-0920-48DA-93E3-D0F23DA9C314@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:41:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05c23e86d3cc0550e55a12" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Hackathon Planning Session X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:41:22 -0000 --94eb2c05c23e86d3cc0550e55a12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> >> * Bill Munyan >> >> * Dave Waltermire >> >> * Stephen Banghart >> >> * Henk Birkholz >> >> * Adam Montville >> >> * Danny Haynes (??) >> >> * Andreas Steffens (??) >> >> >> >> *If you are contributing to our hackathon effort, please participate in >> this Doodle poll for this or next >> Friday: http://doodle.com/poll/9bah48ikrmn298sm >> * >> >> >> > If you've already participated in the poll, thank you! If you have not, please note the urgency of this request and take two minutes (or probably less) to participate. Kind regards, Adam --94eb2c05c23e86d3cc0550e55a12 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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--94eb2c05c23e86d3cc0550e55a12-- From nobody Thu Jun 1 07:42:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6DE129B8C; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 07:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id padfrpoBEqVP; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5581F1293F3; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o12so37732536iod.3; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=e5MakWZ6s96ae+f4/EamhKCglI/hiF0EiL/ePAKf2uE=; b=aRyjzCjnLoNmjJs7KmmoH8plOB80jV9eaM4F7iCl5W2dXm36RA3sh4O03pCnQ/CfHw Cfnn7GoKbCqj3fOWP9zmKwRYI/rZQy1mErwjZS2OBjaXoSjdMeXsFmndMTXFPi3WezkB WoSXp6wo3Izt0VfEoFsphIETkvw4yOnl2pzPhg4G2Hu0Q1MqEsWlQTSDvu7IogI/tSaG uB0JYtiG2bmzJrDclEu8NqL3JwacvNRASK9iJIfbG9wnl/auHQLq8fNEbLjvQlpBmCUM Zv9aL++AfJu+z8KNhu8eh/bTAozZJbWFSKTvgJBERFlcV2yxU8vC2zP9m4/bQPFK0nMc 5+5g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=e5MakWZ6s96ae+f4/EamhKCglI/hiF0EiL/ePAKf2uE=; b=cJc6LJcg3ycDbUNtRX7NV7VX14bLN6SI/Adqivb1DL1lRbGB+UyF20Got1sk5F975p 44a9Ux9vsBumTTDWhrUpK0KNCu6MwsAHR3FEAL/4USTAcZihD49i8BbJZVnULgbMB5uo MTNgmE07HcVujV42O9zUfSAPzAXQCVcA/mnsf3b7eoWU+HGSvlXgSTSnUZuF/ebsoNQS vY8oLQn40D03TvAaov/xcizNDqCA4VaNUw2JVOVPqek+tP1JjZWR0Cjt2PyUOfabTEmM kMvLrp0RXxIWwcqX+KTviPuKRJDeO9M7IxivQ5LLQOeQvB5D8R0OG2OuVtWrxge/Ptm/ aTFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcC4f9vnomM+S5HP48QwG2ps0gzW2C2PQRD1Ue5iKSTpaIexHAU6 YQLn29AtNzBlLmt+HS8GJDBDXjbUULwX X-Received: by 10.107.176.131 with SMTP id z125mr1441334ioe.161.1496328117324; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 07:41:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 14:41:46 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" , "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114532bae6adc70550e709da" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 14:42:00 -0000 --001a114532bae6adc70550e709da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Wondering if anyone is working on a ROLIE extension for vulnerability detection data? Specifically for OVAL vulnerability definitions. Thanks, Adam --001a114532bae6adc70550e709da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Wondering if anyone is working on a ROLIE extension for vulnerability detection data? Specifically for OVAL vulnerability definitions.

Thanks,

Adam
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(Fed)" , "sacm@ietf.org" , "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114064661f822f0550e8f3aa" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 16:58:47 -0000 --001a114064661f822f0550e8f3aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Is there anything already defined that would suit the more general need? In other words, while it's true that ROLIE doesn't have a vulnerability record or vulnerability detection data extension at this point, is there a non-ROLIE capability filling that need already? On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:53 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > Not yet. I am also interested in addressing vulnerability records, but I > have been waiting for the outcome of the OASIS CVRF/CSAF work first. > > > > We could collaborate if you are interested. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Adam Montville > *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:42 AM > *To:* sacm@ietf.org; > *Subject:* [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension > > > > Wondering if anyone is working on a ROLIE extension for vulnerability > detection data? Specifically for OVAL vulnerability definitions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Adam > --001a114064661f822f0550e8f3aa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anything already defined that would suit the more= general need? In other words, while it's true that ROLIE doesn't h= ave a vulnerability record or vulnerability detection data extension at thi= s point, is there a non-ROLIE capability filling that need already?=C2=A0
On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at = 11:53 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote:

Not yet. I am also interested in addressing vulnera= bility records, but I have been waiting for the outcome of the OASIS CVRF/C= SAF work first.

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We could collaborate if you are interested.<= u>

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Regards,

Dave

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From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:42 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org= ; <mile@ietf.org<= /a>> <mile@ietf.or= g>
Subject: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension

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Wondering if anyone is working on a ROLIE extension = for vulnerability detection data? Specifically for OVAL vulnerability defin= itions.

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Thanks,

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(Fed)" To: Adam Montville , "sacm@ietf.org" , "" Thread-Topic: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension Thread-Index: AQHS2uU99syK6mL0p06yscygpvOvt6IQOMlwgAACCACAABIdgA== Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 18:14:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: gmail.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;gmail.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=nist.gov; x-originating-ip: [129.6.224.58] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; MWHPR09MB1440; 7:yLs8Vi2qi35/jkk/ftfL9vAdm/RwM7C1v2KxPOcSjRTEr59K6AH+yAJGNfLT0amk6MaGhMOCLuJO5QetWcInmW3392SkHJyVkepNndm8gIKrldHHkDXqmJzCSd1dM20RxoWSPXjUJFm/504IVq8AJGW1N26p8YybyLrMuL9U9fhKIHnQfn5SknCzz/mudjsPkRee2f5/5q6DMbYmiBmvD1Wvjs0xdCHWmYifFm65x4LhtbBc7dIQdxY3HjyyDKr55eN+2BSIiB6C39ttexbiUiN/xVWv56v0l/896K30QTUWDiPaJlG65iqmOK2S5YTJtf8Rs9mE7y1s9dkBbnQSNA== x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MWHPR09MB1440: 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boundary="001a113f749a6d5d990550ebcde3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Hackathon Planning Session X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 20:23:00 -0000 --001a113f749a6d5d990550ebcde3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks to everyone who participated. The clear choice is for next Friday, just before our virtual interim. I'll send WebEx information in a separate note. Kind regards, Adam On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 3:49 PM Adam Montville wrote: > All: > > For those of us planning to participate in the hackathon, we need to meet > soon (ideally before the virtual interim on the 9th) to discuss the various > pieces we have in place and how we're going to glue them together. I'd like > to do this over WebEx on short order. I'm guessing the folks I mentioned in > [1] last Thursday are still interested in participating, but I think there > are probably at least two others interested in joining (I'm thinking Danny > Haynes and Andreas Steffens. > > This puts our initial list at: > > * Bill Munyan > * Dave Waltermire > * Stephen Banghart > * Henk Birkholz > * Adam Montville > * Danny Haynes (??) > * Andreas Steffens (??) > > *If you are contributing to our hackathon effort, please participate in > this Doodle poll for this or next > Friday: http://doodle.com/poll/9bah48ikrmn298sm > * > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sacm/UmijG7qWI_L5iob4Q99T1JDm9ro > > --001a113f749a6d5d990550ebcde3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to everyone who participated. The clear choice is f= or next Friday, just before our virtual interim.=C2=A0 I'll send WebEx = information in a separate note.

Kind regards,
=
Adam



On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 3:49 PM A= dam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
All:

For those of us plan= ning to participate in the hackathon, we need to meet soon (ideally before = the virtual interim on the 9th) to discuss the various pieces we have in pl= ace and how we're going to glue them together. I'd like to do this = over WebEx on short order. I'm guessing the folks I mentioned in [1] la= st Thursday are still interested in participating, but I think there are pr= obably at least two others interested in joining (I'm thinking Danny Ha= ynes and Andreas Steffens.

This puts our initial l= ist at:

* Bill Munyan
* Dave Waltermire<= /div>
* Stephen Banghart
* Henk Birkholz
* Adam Mon= tville
* Danny Haynes (??)
* Andreas Steffens (??)

If you are contributing to our hackathon eff= ort, please participate in this Doodle poll for this or next Friday:=C2=A0<= a href=3D"http://doodle.com/poll/9bah48ikrmn298sm" target=3D"_blank">http:/= /doodle.com/poll/9bah48ikrmn298sm=C2=A0

Ki= nd regards,

Adam

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To: "" Thread-Topic: Edits to SWIMA Thread-Index: AdLbFRNs30sxLWOyTCCop/23IMwkaw== Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 21:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=mitre.org; x-originating-ip: [192.160.51.87] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CY1PR09MB0794; 7:phhhQ3MWdhzqlDyk7ElgBCm+uQmRlam+7idfQ/sDRoIzbQbER7BteXkwokplHOShuLew2H9OzQMqo7CEq95Kr0LhudlDYffG5LThvc5Xaftel74Uism+VdB94nTzwLEV36r+TP9iEjxEoq1EIYmtJTIt0YkIgkVLuBz5YW3mHIjEbJSyBwVEsB/1y/s5hBBoQNojnQep2EqhByDmPDQlzXS1oGaNZXQHqQVMFJUR44sAdXSZGp8ed+PopOxXMyTr8xoBp6rHDY/TgcpXgx5WDNJQAuD73bYBNF6T58m556X+XkR6Iz86PIjAkR5a6Nq2/47JCIV3+4LYUQ7HN/y1jQ== x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CY1PR09MB0794: x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: c37e4943-3f26-4651-6bac-08d4a9314307 x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001)(2017030254075)(48565401081)(201703131423075)(201703031133081)(201702281549075); SRVR:CY1PR09MB0794; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(211171220733660); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000700101)(100105000095)(100000701101)(100105300095)(100000702101)(100105100095)(6040450)(601004)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001)(93006095)(93001095)(100000703101)(100105400095)(6055026)(6041248)(20161123562025)(201703131423075)(201702281528075)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123555025)(20161123564025)(20161123558100)(20161123560025)(6072148)(100000704101)(100105200095)(100000705101)(100105500095); SRVR:CY1PR09MB0794; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000800101)(100110000095)(100000801101)(100110300095)(100000802101)(100110100095)(100000803101)(100110400095)(100000804101)(100110200095)(100000805101)(100110500095); SRVR:CY1PR09MB0794; x-forefront-prvs: 0325F6C77B x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(39840400002)(39450400003)(39850400002)(39410400002)(39400400002)(39860400002)(53754006)(189998001)(3480700004)(74316002)(110136004)(38730400002)(6436002)(6506006)(2906002)(7736002)(86362001)(14454004)(9686003)(55016002)(53936002)(66066001)(8676002)(25786009)(7116003)(50986999)(2900100001)(478600001)(305945005)(8936002)(5660300001)(3280700002)(3660700001)(54356999)(99286003)(7696004)(6116002)(3846002)(81166006)(77096006)(102836003)(122556002)(33656002)(491001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR09MB0794; H:CY1PR09MB0796.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Jun 2017 21:00:40.6946 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: c620dc48-1d50-4952-8b39-df4d54d74d82 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR09MB0794 X-OriginatorOrg: mitre.org Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Edits to SWIMA X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:00:44 -0000 Hi all, I have received some feedback on the latest SWIMA specification offline. I = am summarizing those comments here for the benefit of the list. - Section 3.6 (page 23, 1st full paragraph): The text provides guidance on = detecting change events. The text states, "The SW-PC MUST assign a time to = each detected change in the endpoint's Software Inventory Evidence Collecti= on. These timestamps correspond to the SW-PC's best understanding as to wh= en the detected change occurred. These timestamps MUST be as accurate as p= ossible." The commenter felt that the last sentence was superfluous and should be del= eted. - Section 3.6 (page 23, 2nd full paragraph) : The text talks about retentio= n of deleted software records for reporting purposes. The text states, "Wit= h regard to deletions of records, the SW-PC needs to detect the deletion an= d MUST retain a copy of the full deleted record along with the associated R= ecord Identifier and Software Locator so that the record and associated inf= ormation can be provided to the SW-PV upon request. This copy of the recor= d MUST be retained for a reasonable amount of time. Vendors and administra= tors determine what "reasonable" means, but a copy of the record SHOULD be = retained for as long as the event recording the deletion of the record rema= ins in the SW-PC's event log (as described in Section 3.7)." The commenter noted that this leaves open a question as to what to do if a = record is deleted while still named in the event log. They suggested we add= the following sentence: "In the case that a SW-PC is called upon to report= a deleted record that is no longer available, the SW-PC SHOULD return a 0-= length record." - Section 3.7.1 (page 25, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks about the EID= Epoch value and its use. It states, "EID Epoch values SHOULD be generated = randomly and in such a way that it is unlikely that the same EID Epoch is g= enerated twice, even if the SW-PC reverted to an earlier state (e.g., reset= ting it to factory defaults)." The reviewer felt that the normative text focused on the means, rather than= the end. They suggested replacing this sentence with the following: "EID E= poch values MUST be generated in such a way that it is unlikely that the sa= me EID Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC reverts to an earlier st= ate (e.g., resetting to factory defaults). For this reason, sequential EID = Epochs are discouraged, since loss of state could result in repeated use of= a value." - Section 3.7.6 (page 31, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks about handlin= g evidence that the SW-PC and SW-PV have fallen out of sync with regard to = EIDs. It states: "The SW-PV will normally never receive an attribute indica= ting that the latest EID is less than the latest EID reported in a previous= attribute within the same EID Epoch. If this occurs, the SW-PC has suffer= ed an error of some kind, possibly indicative of at least partial corruptio= n of its event log. In this case, the SW-PV SHOULD treat the situation as = if there was a change in Epoch and treat any local copy of the endpoint's S= oftware Inventory Evidence Collection as out-of-sync until a full inventory= can be reported by the SW-PC. In this case, the SW-PV SHOULD flag the occu= rrence so the SW-PC can be examined to ensure it is now operating properly.= " The reviewer noted that failure to abide by the first SHOULD would result i= n ongoing inaccuracy in in the SW-PV's understanding of endpoint state. As = such, they suggested changing this to a MUST. The reviewer also suggested that, in the final sentence, "flag" should be r= eplaced with the more specific "log". - Section 3.9 (page 39, final paragraph): The text states "Both SW-PCs and = SW-PVs SHOULD log errors so that administrators can trace the causes of err= ors. Log entries SHOULD include the type of the error, the time it was det= ected, and additional descriptive information to aid in understanding the n= ature and cause of the error." The reviewer recommended adding the following sentence: "Logs are an import= ant debugging tool and implementers are strongly advised to include compreh= ensive logging capabilities in their products." These suggestions seem reasonable to me. Are there any other thoughts on th= ese suggestions? 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--001a1142f3763d83c90550f86f68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" They also seem reasonable to me. Curious, were these offline comments based on experience with an implementation attempt? Kind regards, Adam On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 4:00 PM Schmidt, Charles M. wrote: > Hi all, > > I have received some feedback on the latest SWIMA specification offline. I > am summarizing those comments here for the benefit of the list. > > - Section 3.6 (page 23, 1st full paragraph): The text provides guidance on > detecting change events. The text states, "The SW-PC MUST assign a time to > each detected change in the endpoint's Software Inventory Evidence > Collection. These timestamps correspond to the SW-PC's best understanding > as to when the detected change occurred. These timestamps MUST be as > accurate as possible." > > The commenter felt that the last sentence was superfluous and should be > deleted. > > - Section 3.6 (page 23, 2nd full paragraph) : The text talks about > retention of deleted software records for reporting purposes. The text > states, "With regard to deletions of records, the SW-PC needs to detect the > deletion and MUST retain a copy of the full deleted record along with the > associated Record Identifier and Software Locator so that the record and > associated information can be provided to the SW-PV upon request. This > copy of the record MUST be retained for a reasonable amount of time. > Vendors and administrators determine what "reasonable" means, but a copy of > the record SHOULD be retained for as long as the event recording the > deletion of the record remains in the SW-PC's event log (as described in > Section 3.7)." > > The commenter noted that this leaves open a question as to what to do if a > record is deleted while still named in the event log. They suggested we add > the following sentence: "In the case that a SW-PC is called upon to report > a deleted record that is no longer available, the SW-PC SHOULD return a > 0-length record." > > - Section 3.7.1 (page 25, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks about the > EID Epoch value and its use. It states, "EID Epoch values SHOULD be > generated randomly and in such a way that it is unlikely that the same EID > Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC reverted to an earlier state > (e.g., resetting it to factory defaults)." > > The reviewer felt that the normative text focused on the means, rather > than the end. They suggested replacing this sentence with the following: > "EID Epoch values MUST be generated in such a way that it is unlikely that > the same EID Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC reverts to an > earlier state (e.g., resetting to factory defaults). For this reason, > sequential EID Epochs are discouraged, since loss of state could result in > repeated use of a value." > > - Section 3.7.6 (page 31, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks about > handling evidence that the SW-PC and SW-PV have fallen out of sync with > regard to EIDs. It states: "The SW-PV will normally never receive an > attribute indicating that the latest EID is less than the latest EID > reported in a previous attribute within the same EID Epoch. If this > occurs, the SW-PC has suffered an error of some kind, possibly indicative > of at least partial corruption of its event log. In this case, the SW-PV > SHOULD treat the situation as if there was a change in Epoch and treat any > local copy of the endpoint's Software Inventory Evidence Collection as > out-of-sync until a full inventory can be reported by the SW-PC. In this > case, the SW-PV SHOULD flag the occurrence so the SW-PC can be examined to > ensure it is now operating properly." > > The reviewer noted that failure to abide by the first SHOULD would result > in ongoing inaccuracy in in the SW-PV's understanding of endpoint state. As > such, they suggested changing this to a MUST. > > The reviewer also suggested that, in the final sentence, "flag" should be > replaced with the more specific "log". > > - Section 3.9 (page 39, final paragraph): The text states "Both SW-PCs and > SW-PVs SHOULD log errors so that administrators can trace the causes of > errors. Log entries SHOULD include the type of the error, the time it was > detected, and additional descriptive information to aid in understanding > the nature and cause of the error." > > The reviewer recommended adding the following sentence: "Logs are an > important debugging tool and implementers are strongly advised to include > comprehensive logging capabilities in their products." > > > These suggestions seem reasonable to me. Are there any other thoughts on > these suggestions? > > Thanks, > Charles > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --001a1142f3763d83c90550f86f68 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They also seem reasonable to me. Curious, were these offli= ne comments based on experience with an implementation attempt?

Kind regards,

Adam

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 4:00 PM Schmidt,= Charles M. <cmschmidt@mitre.org<= /a>> wrote:
Hi all,

I have received some feedback on the latest SWIMA specification offline. I = am summarizing those comments here for the benefit of the list.

- Section 3.6 (page 23, 1st full paragraph): The text provides guidance on = detecting change events. The text states, "The SW-PC MUST assign a tim= e to each detected change in the endpoint's Software Inventory Evidence= Collection.=C2=A0 These timestamps correspond to the SW-PC's best unde= rstanding as to when the detected change occurred.=C2=A0 These timestamps M= UST be as accurate as possible."

The commenter felt that the last sentence was superfluous and should be del= eted.

- Section 3.6 (page 23, 2nd full paragraph) : The text talks about retentio= n of deleted software records for reporting purposes. The text states, &quo= t;With regard to deletions of records, the SW-PC needs to detect the deleti= on and MUST retain a copy of the full deleted record along with the associa= ted Record Identifier and Software Locator so that the record and associate= d information can be provided to the SW-PV upon request.=C2=A0 This copy of= the record MUST be retained for a reasonable amount of time.=C2=A0 Vendors= and administrators determine what "reasonable" means, but a copy= of the record SHOULD be retained for as long as the event recording the de= letion of the record remains in the SW-PC's event log (as described in = Section 3.7)."

The commenter noted that this leaves open a question as to what to do if a = record is deleted while still named in the event log. They suggested we add= the following sentence: "In the case that a SW-PC is called upon to r= eport a deleted record that is no longer available, the SW-PC SHOULD return= a 0-length record."

- Section 3.7.1 (page 25, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks about the EID= Epoch value and its use. It states, "EID Epoch values SHOULD be gener= ated randomly and in such a way that it is unlikely that the same EID Epoch= is generated twice, even if the SW-PC reverted to an earlier state (e.g., = resetting it to factory defaults)."

The reviewer felt that the normative text focused on the means, rather than= the end. They suggested replacing this sentence with the following: "= EID Epoch values MUST be generated in such a way that it is unlikely that t= he same EID Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC reverts to an earli= er state (e.g., resetting to factory defaults). For this reason, sequential= EID Epochs are discouraged, since loss of state could result in repeated u= se of a value."

- Section 3.7.6 (page 31, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks about handlin= g evidence that the SW-PC and SW-PV have fallen out of sync with regard to = EIDs. It states: "The SW-PV will normally never receive an attribute i= ndicating that the latest EID is less than the latest EID reported in a pre= vious attribute within the same EID Epoch.=C2=A0 If this occurs, the SW-PC = has suffered an error of some kind, possibly indicative of at least partial= corruption of its event log.=C2=A0 In this case, the SW-PV SHOULD treat th= e situation as if there was a change in Epoch and treat any local copy of t= he endpoint's Software Inventory Evidence Collection as out-of-sync unt= il a full inventory can be reported by the SW-PC. In this case, the SW-PV S= HOULD flag the occurrence so the SW-PC can be examined to ensure it is now = operating properly."

The reviewer noted that failure to abide by the first SHOULD would result i= n ongoing inaccuracy in in the SW-PV's understanding of endpoint state.= As such, they suggested changing this to a MUST.

The reviewer also suggested that, in the final sentence, "flag" s= hould be replaced with the more specific "log".

- Section 3.9 (page 39, final paragraph): The text states "Both SW-PCs= and SW-PVs SHOULD log errors so that administrators can trace the causes o= f errors.=C2=A0 Log entries SHOULD include the type of the error, the time = it was detected, and additional descriptive information to aid in understan= ding the nature and cause of the error."

The reviewer recommended adding the following sentence: "Logs are an i= mportant debugging tool and implementers are strongly advised to include co= mprehensive logging capabilities in their products."


These suggestions seem reasonable to me. Are there any other thoughts on th= ese suggestions?

Thanks,
Charles

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(Fed)" Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" , "mile@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113ce24241bbf70550f87859" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 11:29:46 -0000 --001a113ce24241bbf70550f87859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your perspective, Jerome. When I originally asked the question, I was asking with an eye toward STIX and more specifically, TAXII. It seems that TAXII doesn't have the syndication that ROLIE does, but that it may (I'm not a TAXII expert) provide an appropriate mechanism. That's not to say ROLIE wouldn't need something, but I did want to understand how high a priority it was to start looking at this type of ROLIE extension. Adam On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 1:04 AM Jerome Athias wrote: > Yes, we are in 2017 and the industry still not yet cam up with a > standardized common model for Vulnerability... > > I could be ok with David proposed approach. > > Just to point out how it was envisioned in STIX v1 > https://stixproject.github.io/data-model/1.2/indicator/TestMechanismsType= / > > 3. OVAL: The OVAL test mechanism allows for the specification of an OVAL > definition through importing the OVAL schemas. The type is named > OVALTestMechanismType and is in the > http://stix.mitre.org/extensions/TestMechanism#OVAL-1 namespace. The > extension is defined in the file > extensions/test_mechanism/oval-5.10.1_test_mechanism.xsd or at the URL > http://stix.mitre.org/XMLSchema/extensions/test_mechanism/oval-5.10.1/1.2= /oval-5.10.1_test_mechanism.xsd > . > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension > > Local Time: June 1, 2017 9:14 PM > UTC Time: June 1, 2017 6:14 PM > From: david.waltermire@nist.gov > To: Adam Montville , sacm@ietf.org < > sacm@ietf.org>, mile@ietf.org > > > I am not aware of anything that is providing a syndication approach for > vulnerability information. I am also not aware of a general standardized > model for vulnerabilities that can be used cradle to grave for a > vulnerability. This is something we have been discussing in OASIS CSAF. A= t > NIST we have a vulnerability model we use with the National Vulnerability > Database, but it isn=E2=80=99t anything near a standard at this point. > > > > One way to approach the fact that we don=E2=80=99t have a standardized fo= rmat is > to not attempt to pick any at this time. The ROLIE vulnerability extensio= n > can define a number of information types that relate to vulnerabilities > (e.g., vulnerability records, vulnerability checks, etc.) and then stay > silent on the use of the ROLIE format element which can be used to specif= y > which model (e.g., CVRF, CSAF, STIX, OVAL, etc.) is used for a given entr= y. > Defining information types in this way provides a good degree of value by > allowing organizations to publish vulnerability information using ROLIE. = Do > you think that this may be enough to start with for now? > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > *From:* Adam Montville [mailto:adam.w.montville@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:59 PM > *To:* Waltermire, David A. (Fed) ; > sacm@ietf.org; > *Subject:* Re: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension > > > > Is there anything already defined that would suit the more general need? > In other words, while it's true that ROLIE doesn't have a vulnerability > record or vulnerability detection data extension at this point, is there = a > non-ROLIE capability filling that need already? > > > > On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:53 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < > david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > > Not yet. I am also interested in addressing vulnerability records, but I > have been waiting for the outcome of the OASIS CVRF/CSAF work first. > > > > We could collaborate if you are interested. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Adam Montville > *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:42 AM > *To:* sacm@ietf.org; > *Subject:* [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension > > > > Wondering if anyone is working on a ROLIE extension for vulnerability > detection data? Specifically for OVAL vulnerability definitions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Adam > > --001a113ce24241bbf70550f87859 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for your perspective, Jerome. When I originally ask= ed the question, I was asking with an eye toward STIX and more specifically= , TAXII. It seems that TAXII doesn't have the syndication that ROLIE do= es, but that it may (I'm not a TAXII expert) provide an appropriate mec= hanism. That's not to say ROLIE wouldn't need something, but I did = want to understand how high a priority it was to start looking at this type= of ROLIE extension.

Adam

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 1:04 AM Jerome Athias &= lt;jerome.athias@protonmail= .com> wrote:
Yes, we ar= e in 2017 and the industry still not yet cam up with a standardized common = model for Vulnerability...

I could be ok with = David proposed approach.

Just to point out how= it was envisioned in STIX v1




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re= : [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension
Local Tim= e: June 1, 2017 9:14 PM
UTC Time: June 1, 2017 6:14 PM


I am not aware of anythin= g that is providing a syndication approach for vulnerability information. I= am also not aware of a general standardized model for vulnerabilities that can be used cradle to grave for a vulnerability. This is something we have= been discussing in OASIS CSAF. At NIST we have a vulnerability model we us= e with the National Vulnerability Database, but it isn=E2=80=99t anything n= ear a standard at this point.

<= span class=3D"m_-5603958231537483944font" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans= -serif">=C2=A0

One way to approach t= he fact that we don=E2=80=99t have a standardized format is to not attempt = to pick any at this time. The ROLIE vulnerability extension can define a nu= mber of information types that relate to vulnerabilities (e.g., vulnerability records, vulnera= bility checks, etc.) and then stay silent on the use of the ROLIE format el= ement which can be used to specify which model (e.g., CVRF, CSAF, STIX, OVA= L, etc.) is used for a given entry. Defining information types in this way provides a good degree of value by = allowing organizations to publish vulnerability information using ROLIE. Do= you think that this may be enough to start with for now?
=

=C2=A0

Regards,

Dave

=C2=A0

From: Adam Mon= tville [mailto:adam.w.montville@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 20= 17 12:59 PM
To: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov= >; sacm@ietf.org;= <mile@ietf.org&g= t; <mile@ietf.org= >
Subject: Re: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension

=C2=A0

Is there anything already defined that would suit the more genera= l need? In other words, while it's true that ROLIE doesn't have a v= ulnerability record or vulnerability detection data extension at this point= , is there a non-ROLIE capability filling that need already?=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:53 AM= Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@n= ist.gov> wrote:

Not yet. I am also interest= ed in addressing vulnerability records, but I have been waiting for the out= come of the OASIS CVRF/CSAF work first.

= =C2=A0

We could collaborate i= f you are interested.

= =C2=A0<= /span>

Regards,

Dave

= =C2=A0

<= b>From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounce= s@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville
Sent: Thursda= y, June 01, 2017 10:42 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org; &l= t;mile@ietf.org> <mile@ietf.org>=
Subject: [sacm] ROLIE vulnerability extension

=

=C2= =A0

Wondering if anyone is working on a = ROLIE extension for vulnerability detection data? Specifically for OVAL vul= nerability definitions.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

=C2=A0

Adam

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:message-id:subject:to; bh=RPnCGhbb9Q3nrG/jNukau77cAwlaYSn9c7IprMYBnTY=; b=Yn0kkzbqmdcV2J+i+G28WoR8pVmEAF3AG2zro4SEw49B6nmiw9g5hb4JprvS3z+jdM jWzz51JTPK8mPPWi2FJblBUn35CMJ57UTDOcLFaDUeiheet/UASFkCZi/z3DyYUJZFrN 64jg5vu3X2Kf/dmItICeREZuH8wA2x9wwU6pSppyjod+syrCixfHT4OzwxqZjIOYTRBE CIgb4ZqjNsPuF9BHmz2QoCBtxLdYt5fREmKDwzNeDOloqoW19HiPl8pwIP+SPcOFr/kt 4n5V/ezAAASTxTFNHV7LFtWdUUivBekYHmJv0tavZuo9cHXwXVcmuaB2cgjgMBlyx9U5 Km8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBoduW9kxk2mm7dt2wmCi5vDydP66B7D2aFy5qONUWDTrp4L1CO MatudBH6q8fa2PKG5Rhperuay3qJlQ== X-Received: by 10.36.5.76 with SMTP id 73mr5007224itl.13.1496410708210; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 06:38:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:38:17 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Schmidt, Charles M." , "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1143dea6b382a80550fa4494" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Edits to SWIMA X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:38:32 -0000 --001a1143dea6b382a80550fa4494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you! I was hopeful. It would be great to get implementers comments. Adam On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:25 AM Schmidt, Charles M. wrote: > Hi Adam, > > These were not based on implementation (although I'm aware of a couple > teams working on that so hopefully they will have comments). These comments > were based on extracting all the normative guidance from the document and > doing a review just of that. > > Charles > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville > > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 6:27 AM > > To: Schmidt, Charles M. ; > > > > Subject: Re: [sacm] Edits to SWIMA > > > > They also seem reasonable to me. Curious, were these offline comments > > based on experience with an implementation attempt? > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Adam > > > > On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 4:00 PM Schmidt, Charles M. > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have received some feedback on the latest SWIMA specification > > offline. I am summarizing those comments here for the benefit of the > list. > > > > - Section 3.6 (page 23, 1st full paragraph): The text provides > guidance > > on detecting change events. The text states, "The SW-PC MUST assign a > time > > to each detected change in the endpoint's Software Inventory Evidence > > Collection. These timestamps correspond to the SW-PC's best > understanding > > as to when the detected change occurred. These timestamps MUST be as > > accurate as possible." > > > > The commenter felt that the last sentence was superfluous and > > should be deleted. > > > > - Section 3.6 (page 23, 2nd full paragraph) : The text talks about > > retention of deleted software records for reporting purposes. The text > > states, "With regard to deletions of records, the SW-PC needs to detect > the > > deletion and MUST retain a copy of the full deleted record along with the > > associated Record Identifier and Software Locator so that the record and > > associated information can be provided to the SW-PV upon request. This > > copy of the record MUST be retained for a reasonable amount of time. > > Vendors and administrators determine what "reasonable" means, but a copy > > of the record SHOULD be retained for as long as the event recording the > > deletion of the record remains in the SW-PC's event log (as described in > > Section 3.7)." > > > > The commenter noted that this leaves open a question as to what to > > do if a record is deleted while still named in the event log. They > suggested > > we add the following sentence: "In the case that a SW-PC is called upon > to > > report a deleted record that is no longer available, the SW-PC SHOULD > return > > a 0-length record." > > > > - Section 3.7.1 (page 25, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks > about the > > EID Epoch value and its use. It states, "EID Epoch values SHOULD be > > generated randomly and in such a way that it is unlikely that the same > EID > > Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC reverted to an earlier state > > (e.g., resetting it to factory defaults)." > > > > The reviewer felt that the normative text focused on the means, > > rather than the end. They suggested replacing this sentence with the > > following: "EID Epoch values MUST be generated in such a way that it is > > unlikely that the same EID Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC > > reverts to an earlier state (e.g., resetting to factory defaults). For > this reason, > > sequential EID Epochs are discouraged, since loss of state could result > in > > repeated use of a value." > > > > - Section 3.7.6 (page 31, 2nd full paragraph): The text talks about > > handling evidence that the SW-PC and SW-PV have fallen out of sync with > > regard to EIDs. It states: "The SW-PV will normally never receive an > attribute > > indicating that the latest EID is less than the latest EID reported in a > previous > > attribute within the same EID Epoch. If this occurs, the SW-PC has > suffered > > an error of some kind, possibly indicative of at least partial > corruption of its > > event log. In this case, the SW-PV SHOULD treat the situation as if > there was > > a change in Epoch and treat any local copy of the endpoint's Software > > Inventory Evidence Collection as out-of-sync until a full inventory can > be > > reported by the SW-PC. In this case, the SW-PV SHOULD flag the occurrence > > so the SW-PC can be examined to ensure it is now operating properly." > > > > The reviewer noted that failure to abide by the first SHOULD would > > result in ongoing inaccuracy in in the SW-PV's understanding of endpoint > > state. As such, they suggested changing this to a MUST. > > > > The reviewer also suggested that, in the final sentence, "flag" > should > > be replaced with the more specific "log". > > > > - Section 3.9 (page 39, final paragraph): The text states "Both > SW-PCs > > and SW-PVs SHOULD log errors so that administrators can trace the causes > of > > errors. Log entries SHOULD include the type of the error, the time it > was > > detected, and additional descriptive information to aid in understanding > the > > nature and cause of the error." > > > > The reviewer recommended adding the following sentence: "Logs > > are an important debugging tool and implementers are strongly advised to > > include comprehensive logging capabilities in their products." > > > > > > These suggestions seem reasonable to me. Are there any other > > thoughts on these suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > Charles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > --001a1143dea6b382a80550fa4494 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you! I was hopeful. It would be great to get impleme= nters comments.

Adam

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:25 AM Schmidt, Charles M. = <cmschmidt@mitre.org> wrot= e:
Hi Adam,

These were not based on implementation (although I'm aware of a couple = teams working on that so hopefully they will have comments). These comments= were based on extracting all the normative guidance from the document and = doing a review just of that.

Charles

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 6:27 AM
> To: Schmidt, Charles M. <cmschmidt@mitre.org>; <sacm@ietf.org>
> <sacm@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [sacm] Edits to SWIMA
>
> They also seem reasonable to me. Curious, were these offline comments<= br> > based on experience with an implementation attempt?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Adam
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 4:00 PM Schmidt, Charles M. <cmschmidt@mitre.org
> <mailto:cm= schmidt@mitre.org> > wrote:
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi all,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I have received some feedback on the latest = SWIMA specification
> offline. I am summarizing those comments here for the benefit of the l= ist.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Section 3.6 (page 23, 1st full paragraph):= The text provides guidance
> on detecting change events. The text states, "The SW-PC MUST assi= gn a time
> to each detected change in the endpoint's Software Inventory Evide= nce
> Collection.=C2=A0 These timestamps correspond to the SW-PC's best = understanding
> as to when the detected change occurred.=C2=A0 These timestamps MUST b= e as
> accurate as possible."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The commenter felt that the last sentence wa= s superfluous and
> should be deleted.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Section 3.6 (page 23, 2nd full paragraph) = : The text talks about
> retention of deleted software records for reporting purposes. The text=
> states, "With regard to deletions of records, the SW-PC needs to = detect the
> deletion and MUST retain a copy of the full deleted record along with = the
> associated Record Identifier and Software Locator so that the record a= nd
> associated information can be provided to the SW-PV upon request.=C2= =A0 This
> copy of the record MUST be retained for a reasonable amount of time. > Vendors and administrators determine what "reasonable" means= , but a copy
> of the record SHOULD be retained for as long as the event recording th= e
> deletion of the record remains in the SW-PC's event log (as descri= bed in
> Section 3.7)."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The commenter noted that this leaves open a = question as to what to
> do if a record is deleted while still named in the event log. They sug= gested
> we add the following sentence: "In the case that a SW-PC is calle= d upon to
> report a deleted record that is no longer available, the SW-PC SHOULD = return
> a 0-length record."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Section 3.7.1 (page 25, 2nd full paragraph= ): The text talks about the
> EID Epoch value and its use. It states, "EID Epoch values SHOULD = be
> generated randomly and in such a way that it is unlikely that the same= EID
> Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC reverted to an earlier sta= te
> (e.g., resetting it to factory defaults)."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The reviewer felt that the normative text fo= cused on the means,
> rather than the end. They suggested replacing this sentence with the > following: "EID Epoch values MUST be generated in such a way that= it is
> unlikely that the same EID Epoch is generated twice, even if the SW-PC=
> reverts to an earlier state (e.g., resetting to factory defaults). For= this reason,
> sequential EID Epochs are discouraged, since loss of state could resul= t in
> repeated use of a value."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Section 3.7.6 (page 31, 2nd full paragraph= ): The text talks about
> handling evidence that the SW-PC and SW-PV have fallen out of sync wit= h
> regard to EIDs. It states: "The SW-PV will normally never receive= an attribute
> indicating that the latest EID is less than the latest EID reported in= a previous
> attribute within the same EID Epoch.=C2=A0 If this occurs, the SW-PC h= as suffered
> an error of some kind, possibly indicative of at least partial corrupt= ion of its
> event log.=C2=A0 In this case, the SW-PV SHOULD treat the situation as= if there was
> a change in Epoch and treat any local copy of the endpoint's Softw= are
> Inventory Evidence Collection as out-of-sync until a full inventory ca= n be
> reported by the SW-PC. In this case, the SW-PV SHOULD flag the occurre= nce
> so the SW-PC can be examined to ensure it is now operating properly.&q= uot;
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The reviewer noted that failure to abide by = the first SHOULD would
> result in ongoing inaccuracy in in the SW-PV's understanding of en= dpoint
> state. As such, they suggested changing this to a MUST.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The reviewer also suggested that, in the fin= al sentence, "flag" should
> be replaced with the more specific "log".
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Section 3.9 (page 39, final paragraph): Th= e text states "Both SW-PCs
> and SW-PVs SHOULD log errors so that administrators can trace the caus= es of
> errors.=C2=A0 Log entries SHOULD include the type of the error, the ti= me it was
> detected, and additional descriptive information to aid in understandi= ng the
> nature and cause of the error."
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The reviewer recommended adding the followin= g sentence: "Logs
> are an important debugging tool and implementers are strongly advised = to
> include comprehensive logging capabilities in their products." >
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0These suggestions seem reasonable to me. Are= there any other
> thoughts on these suggestions?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Charles
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0____________________________________________= ___
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sacm mailing list
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sacm@ietf.org <mailto:sacm@ietf.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailma= n/listinfo/sacm
>

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All: Please have a look at our agenda for next Friday'= s virtual interim (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2= 017-sacm-02-sacm-01/).=C2=A0

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All:

I've added us to the hackathon= wiki page:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/99hacka= thon. If you're planning to participate in the hackathon, which doe= s not require IETF 99 registration and supports remote participation, go he= re to register:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf99/hackathonr= egistration.py=C2=A0

More information about th= e hackathon can be found here:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/hackathon/99-hackathon.html<= /div>

Kind regards,

Adam
<= /div> --001a1142f376e4c9260550fcda17-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 11:42:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D22E127698 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 11:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPagPxH7JkAx for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 11:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57EAD1200C5 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 11:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id m62so2002702itc.0 for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 11:42:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vQHztfL2xBbIIvRmG8sRPWHjFNj7jd27kXiHJFqskX4=; b=NTeprWXoF36QFVyLt94Q7rgocZJQmRff8WIyNQZDZA/3ERewib2RS2BMb2NbmmiojY AkbHNhbi6UqTClPlmtnBgx4v/WiJsHXAv0616R/hTGsVleRd+jTBoRfuN1kIIUHmrMxX WcSR22ohKnsq9ppJwaLm9S1ZT4yVmg41GAbyFAW7WIgc8c2QcWNsamdKKIidPNIMUAMc Dw8JyAtpOUi7QlGckVfd4Zio8udQVlgG2Or48zsz77yQ8rbZt/YbfTUMkc9JN1s5TcMy DSiZGzFljqwWH+TMhG8Ks1/uV2Nzco/WxPYbRof3nGhNs4JIJataR1D8SUqQHPl8+KEE VCqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vQHztfL2xBbIIvRmG8sRPWHjFNj7jd27kXiHJFqskX4=; b=lzigTEeznVjvCcdboZOr6MFhZPIZQezrft+GEsdVbyzAYHcz9aMZhMFVjE3RrEhPo/ DVER2gUyWC2Ya87o34zbVmd2qnDf/agjOYO/FsjNlCFIm6NYdx1rtqvKiO9wostSCPqw V+uQ7WnrVSriuuCodGMoE7vFGsdAwie4IdDak9fA/DyzhTy1rDGztR0TuvdVzPvn/Ixp 6uk409pQJXFXIMJuEJXglph4bJ+8+sSKMEfxhkPMsHZYNRuXeW2UzPKVDrRhkPMDDT57 O6hBx8Pfm9FKCk3hzFfvEfl2aSG2JbefKdnmtT2wsnsRMvNSDDI3As0U+8ubXP6rVrM5 E5PA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcA02KhUh+KNG6dUAooqoXfK1de640reTO02BGbZLsr4HKjnRt2L XXiP6tP1AraLXtozOIMjXXDPKc7aQmSs X-Received: by 10.36.107.201 with SMTP id v192mr923403itc.81.1497033724485; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 11:42:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 18:41:53 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114a9e745d81cc05518b53f8" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Hackathon Weekly Meeting Schedule X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 18:42:07 -0000 --001a114a9e745d81cc05518b53f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All: Just a quick note that I've scheduled the weekly hackathon meeting. Friday's at 10:30am Central (3:30pm UTC) for an hour or so. WebEx link: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mc32019fa431dd1a36d1109b43051ef88 If you're interested in participating, join the discussion. Kind regards, Adam --001a114a9e745d81cc05518b53f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:

Just a quick note that I've sc= heduled the weekly hackathon meeting. Friday's at 10:30am Central (3:30= pm UTC) for an hour or so.=C2=A0


If you're interested in partic= ipating, join the discussion.

Kind regards,
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Adam
--001a114a9e745d81cc05518b53f8-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 12:56:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2B8127866 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 12:56:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wua_xzUhv52D for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 12:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 569531200CF for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 12:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id t87so17656458ioe.0 for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 12:56:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MBFE1ds8xyj+pqpQVfmsEYGYowbhEWozRV8/pScLy9M=; b=UhkVFzxI3a+qM0Tw/+NIHMdJJkQYR7YlVm8UFrV25TRy42ZksHVc6I63LYajkvIEJN YyXJUvtuechlJDF99qUAGW/qEPixpzRF00xBihPoYayTEwqhJF8qZ20D2S9xPIpkSGQ1 SrPQYhvmKilub8UBVnl4Cs/7JAob7iJ2PQr7AOoCtLtzv/orXTdbPW/TdY4ANjMaCC4H 0RXvz+Soio5MJgcbP20tZIyVLO69WJbzKpIm2pkUF7aRmoyQ/uUx11bCFgiwYM6GnefZ K6jCQ69x4W/ecznAOhdHRC4otx1s2UP/lfRrBSdKVZbuDE1YGznUYEN8puuxiVTxZzpN GLRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MBFE1ds8xyj+pqpQVfmsEYGYowbhEWozRV8/pScLy9M=; b=AW7xp87BZpRgI3OSrTvi6ql2O1yqAf/YU0ZxESNYKJJlsnkx7p/NqXVOCfUcuu7Eu3 LKQ0JjAfI4ZTMoh66vMNP29SUL7k6QSj86Xdct+c5eTY3PIPWRfgilhMV8/RXSCf0Q6i sRA/NSGE8xxoAToDmz7MbmJMMO8F/jTmPrTbs3hSixe8b1EjmoMuvp0mco5FjxO4qAxu 1UA8xDypSHVHL6Du0wsJ+46Frzu5/NTOwb5caxM60uCCg6Zu59ctoN0LqodPMCC5FE/M DNHNOwe8RmhfCqYCk1XN0p7j/pbvH3Zfna9jFHQSeT+quW8VOBRzPHwkYFDyJa9RLzA3 qfaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAjhSi8+J5buItaN96iEl1jK8lkJ+obs3aDhQrPHp7J6+Yeb5oE caLmi+mXnfUrb6bRP4O/9YP5xJaJdLcY X-Received: by 10.107.23.66 with SMTP id 63mr42463572iox.184.1497038173229; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 12:56:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:56:02 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05c23e87d9e905518c5c16" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Tracking hackathon progress... X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:56:16 -0000 --94eb2c05c23e87d9e905518c5c16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" See: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon We're thinking that might be a good place to document our hackathon work. Adam --94eb2c05c23e87d9e905518c5c16 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See:=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulner= ability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon

We= 9;re thinking that might be a good place to document our hackathon work.

Adam
--94eb2c05c23e87d9e905518c5c16-- From nobody Mon Jun 12 07:55:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF145127B60 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tCD14ZATBnzY for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A60C129411 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id i7so56297662ioe.1 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=sIIl7/ZEPZfdJH6Hk9uPI+oang0lSp/lW0uVEB27CSk=; b=SyVSE9kQVqNtR2nZsWmYviO574zJEQC4B5maBfuONxl+wweMi11RPhPNrJBKu+K4ew Zd0MWZ95HgBPKEiK5BH0F4DNdudqXC+18Bb5iOKWNS5bI1TAU90Hu/p7s5+GT6uEJKcc N78vZywPjHPgdNoZ+I+Ok+VjRVjFPbdBvWpevger+WNzEFylBcS8giIyE8W0XIEJvziw uRi22jHiNRYH+/3Q4lM3bGBfZG9cc13vF7/c4uJp0G3RG4HhtdmYEv06iMqf8STnmxhX U9/kUvJVE8CgQTkscA/FTH9ugpKcTjjxN71/QdP5Bz5xgWuZp0uC9lzENUoyh6gvAuBz 9GQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=sIIl7/ZEPZfdJH6Hk9uPI+oang0lSp/lW0uVEB27CSk=; b=anI0s5hQZj5Q8Nt6OAlUYcgQ4Xayr19CmvdkS7BHmj8/3tESlmh3yCEOJg/iT9RsHV mm68jVGop5I5Q8lafG4BaIwB1XjzbKInC0zPhBOf86xS8yr0i3J8j3CID5ku2HmAatGG MKwSlWaWmW5gcX6Du1MZo47I+gUYCqcY9W3QUetpx6/ii+UrFK9Y3spGGw2DJjLZlTF3 nMkzVo47uu2l/TUGkRi7KWx1SiJrrXXZ8f6hFZNseL0ZsE93JLJ+/dI74Pp7cjSciMFh 3FAFgI8jDIuwaccYx5OjveXQhB6j2EI6H8uA5YlfUQ2EAm926s9X4uILWm2HpIyB26Nk zWTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBjQKbN8CszqqYud7ICugLts4Ss2uSkP6vY6kLSEDNeX49rRd3s NV7Pg8gcE+yPB2QTXeAGpUW745eHuidJ X-Received: by 10.107.170.99 with SMTP id t96mr47923193ioe.113.1497279327558; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:55:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:55:16 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1142edda72e2670551c482db" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] 2017-06-09 Virtual Interim Notes and Recording X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:55:31 -0000 --001a1142edda72e2670551c482db Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All: Notes are posted here: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim-2017-sacm-02/minutes/minutes-interim-2017-sacm-02-201706091300-00 A link to the meeting recording is included in those notes. If you see anything that needs to be changed/updated, let me know. Big thanks to Stephen for jotting things down. Kind regards, Adam --001a1142edda72e2670551c482db Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:

Notes are posted here:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/inte= rim-2017-sacm-02/minutes/minutes-interim-2017-sacm-02-201706091300-00

A link to the meeting recording is included in thos= e notes.

If you see anything that needs to be chan= ged/updated, let me know. Big thanks to Stephen for jotting things down.

Kind regards,

Adam
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Hackathon Contributros (and anyone else who might like to = contribute):

In an effort to continue making progress to= ward a successful outcome, we should start identifying the different commun= ications that need to happen. We have some components identified, and some = notion of what communications need to happen between these different compon= ents.

Putting aside the "which transport"= ; discussion for the moment, can hackathon contributors review the informat= ion available in the graphics at=C2=A0https://gith= ub.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon/graphics= =C2=A0and provide comments on this thread. I would like to finalize the= identification of communications by the time we meet on Friday.
=
Don't forget the project is here:=C2=A0https://github.com/s= acmwg/vulnerability-scenario/projects/1. Right now, there are three ite= ms in process. I don't think we can put much more in progress just yet = without identifying implementations and their owners. I'm working on ge= tting a list of these things together this week.

A= lso, if anyone has better ideas, speak up :-)

Kind= regards,

Adam


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--001a11448a325aaa730551c7410b-- From nobody Mon Jun 12 11:31:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20F2129649 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:31:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ZbpSaY1FB9q for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22f.google.com (mail-io0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93DF512960D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id t87so40031861ioe.0 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:31:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+A3jmmIhvwMHq0XwCyeFHlmWeFygsqWunt/QHpY8uXE=; b=iWhSwZjAkqyBQb8sDkOmeQOTS5BHiJilSoLRickueegIWU8pgL38DrmZXKyjXHJb0j jJ50UU38Mg5b0TNOyzfvXZYZX2C4qPPyzC6Q5RH1/kNJj8qCl+GNzapiPcbVeRw3L3r9 4lUvWn+/QczruPNPN7yMcTXAfpJfh8+PnYqJms55LYkJerMMRFhAI6bwgC7tY5jwRmAn LVvwnxLOFb3n+Z5YF7c1W5O1uuKNjVhmhDTw6oKmuPqx2KUC0zu2M9PnQXno/JSaawZk EMV5AL0l87XLVvEhm2GQ5Rx1TKPcZvNWCTstUOZkd2jhY63WRQ6Xo5Rx7EyeVfYavuPs pmSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=+A3jmmIhvwMHq0XwCyeFHlmWeFygsqWunt/QHpY8uXE=; b=WBKkSrR3nBIcc5EN2DLIsX6weJarfDXZB0OV1iZD9f/1CovfskwnfbjcMi3xlvyUrN upfh15bPdoq1wFlJOYZeBDFMpGq3nrTgDXFLqUVOsKoePkvm3fwA9MmZp3ijqDOv4VDb FFP2MfrblbM8lNV4/PeckejhppNLKj8iOJJmXPd1pZIDU8hnkz7Dx/hCDnnKcJj12s0a 7EjYLrirR3sqPkHLyDQ0aKLxG3gRrQJjGkOO6UJvwnPXTLHJm97/iGPD2MoSwaU8MprP clMpnR/DKRK/Fb423YeNLdmklxRO8ORQLQ3syz3dXE0elBWH8fJ9VKG/d1FpXgsnph0k iYdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOzxJKyqbZqxtUxZxW8L5HYdJirBqTCkIqWiyOPlGJKd5Uqt4Kzy CN5KdaLOkpsT4WxPW1W+Unt1gI867I/x X-Received: by 10.107.13.14 with SMTP id 14mr1778605ion.161.1497292279730; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:31:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:31:08 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114098e47586d10551c7866a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Vulnerability Scenario Communications X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:31:23 -0000 --001a114098e47586d10551c7866a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I've updated the README.md file in our hackathon directory to include a table of components/code/contributor, and to display our sequence diagram: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon 1. Please (in)validate my assumptions with regard to the table 2. Give the update to the verbiage a quick read and opine Thanks for your time. Kind regards, Adam On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:11 PM Adam Montville wrote: > Hackathon Contributros (and anyone else who might like to contribute): > > In an effort to continue making progress toward a successful outcome, we > should start identifying the different communications that need to happen. > We have some components identified, and some notion of what communications > need to happen between these different components. > > Putting aside the "which transport" discussion for the moment, can > hackathon contributors review the information available in the graphics at > https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon/graphics and > provide comments on this thread. I would like to finalize the > identification of communications by the time we meet on Friday. > > Don't forget the project is here: > https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/projects/1. Right now, > there are three items in process. I don't think we can put much more in > progress just yet without identifying implementations and their owners. I'm > working on getting a list of these things together this week. > > Also, if anyone has better ideas, speak up :-) > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > > --001a114098e47586d10551c7866a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've updated the README.md file in our hackathon direc= tory to include a table of components/code/contributor, and to display our = sequence diagram:=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerabil= ity-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon=C2=A0

1. = Please (in)validate my assumptions with regard to the table
2. Gi= ve the update to the verbiage a quick read and opine

Thanks for your time.

Kind regards,
<= br>
Adam=C2=A0

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:11 PM Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
Hackathon Contributr= os (and anyone else who might like to contribute):

In an= effort to continue making progress toward a successful outcome, we should = start identifying the different communications that need to happen. We have= some components identified, and some notion of what communications need to= happen between these different components.

Puttin= g aside the "which transport" discussion for the moment, can hack= athon contributors review the information available in the graphics at=C2= =A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vul= nerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon/graphics=C2=A0and pro= vide comments on this thread. I would like to finalize the identification o= f communications by the time we meet on Friday.

Do= n't forget the project is here:=C2=A0https://github.com/= sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/projects/1. Right now, there are three it= ems in process. I don't think we can put much more in progress just yet= without identifying implementations and their owners. I'm working on g= etting a list of these things together this week.

= Also, if anyone has better ideas, speak up :-)

Kin= d regards,

Adam


--001a114098e47586d10551c7866a-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 13:58:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CA21296C6; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jCKjF9Ln2Ew3; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x234.google.com (mail-pf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D954128DE5; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id x63so73375701pff.3; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:57:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+wqfUt/u6PBkPfqT1BdBj9TCgJRRgfnhLwXpjWTgfkE=; b=TXLB057JY/M1+QrSxGlUmYfDh3GJrDlo5HcZ3dS9uqCDqffMDZhTKWs+uqcj5sqsmZ QcHlHjXzYMtrYu20n2Syh+eKapSX6If5Iuu9BbiH3LV0fcwiAKcRix6xlsKjsqU8+b9i EwGmQJK/gZ04qsSsmsH9rVlF7jNfyYDn6h4QkZwurl4HaKr+W5FC4B7yM6C3Gn64doUz M4Qp1LavzYTiYyGi8kFELKapEWm7pY3QKtsIB4RcXSGFsyQxPNLABQUdp0EuZ8ndcUE3 YBzBDQ26HEve53TL1SJoXqHZXwNhiW6RTxndj9mL9Xr2Ymcfv36wcU/OiBovkpVqENzN X8NA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+wqfUt/u6PBkPfqT1BdBj9TCgJRRgfnhLwXpjWTgfkE=; b=mW0qaiI9pLPP3aWuEupPSQ20wmw2Q9PkN8v7ISMx9SS4NxVGAhMK7N3VW0a65eoNtZ 5CeWTpmebA51fuwRDycWAw7ouF+h7gZici7/VfbCWFXO+SYIF3eU0Qjvtch1f1ClmCHf IRKmfuM76OnPcCkeTcsZrmi/ZLFSGAVB5oFw7lzS7NZrI26Dw1zBQ2VDVQFMHzEvQp1y TMRJnPZ9fQGVyuspADF7vv7hpR4b52uPFp95BwKmuCk0Oo2iM2M7E8BmW6kC5eIM3H0Z HT0erw9PzxGuT3lrQ71jfEqEstTMHZcSE/u7xdBLks4fHk55OusoIfvICuxJNC0hCQT6 XDww== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwFzrPvSXGw5QEkksDk4n6phbF62mwZrtk0FTiONmwNiBykqEVx ZEiE4b+j3uvnwJPX945Uszdc1zNxqQ== X-Received: by 10.84.209.199 with SMTP id y65mr1503304plh.205.1497387470191; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:57:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.169.13 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:57:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <149616615640.19877.7389294095180042080@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <149616615640.19877.7389294095180042080@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:57:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: Barry Leiba Cc: "secdir@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-sacm-requirements.all@ietf.org, IETF , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-15 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:57:52 -0000 Hi Barry, Thank you, for your review. It's much appreciated! The SACM WG has had this as a planned working group item and has wanted it published from the start. I checked again at the interim last week and it is the WG's preference to publish this informational draft. I did ask about linking the draft to a wiki. I'm supporting the WG's decision and feel that it is important for their progress to move beyond this milestone. Thanks for catching the nit, we'll make sure that gets corrected. Best, Kathleen On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > Reviewer: Barry Leiba > Review result: Has Nits > > While I'm calling this document "ready", I really don't see why it > should be published in the RFC series at all. It's well written, and > it seems to be important material for the working group to use as it > develops the SACM architecture, data model and transport protocols, > but does not seem to be of lasting interest after those are done. I'd > rather see it in the working group wiki, and used that way. > > That said, I know the working group wants it published and that my > comment here is likely not to go far, so I'll say that if it's to be > published as an RFC, it's ready. The one nit I note is that in the > XML "title" element you appear to have abbrev="Abbreviated Title", > rather than the more likely abbrev="SACM Requirements". > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Jun 15 06:14:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA2512E041 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:14:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aDTUIcB5XC1a for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A0F612E03F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id k93so11770830ioi.2 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=081IJRuWnfTBecBjAZdD7DdNTRcdVqomQbGlZCwdRDg=; b=EWmo96Nb5lAJt+PdPFDVYHTrv0u4oVwwCXy09Yu9jS0dbyR53UZ2wTOu7DY682nOSE HDv5H27hAInbKgF+ttWc51HRkpQAiZjNAgIOvVBX6tCaksPhB+dLanieTlESUZW+yKvq e7KqaY++InVYKLh39YFniJB4C90wIJM4quUAQ+W4XNpqLRulZNe2B3NwtRDDmnbMkCZ1 IQsG1pQGyO+dxlPYmWp6pSw87Q9pAkuIk4vwO5IZLXXRg190drLjFVAZQ5rndVt8ESr0 Jo1SSmutAf1Lm6pCxIl4USN/pXdl8F4ALit/Zo/jhTregSuv4szaJbVBgUegCWNykeLH r2JA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=081IJRuWnfTBecBjAZdD7DdNTRcdVqomQbGlZCwdRDg=; b=NzhSuv2hWaf/cRvA0oYapOyb58ODAnwsXohXA4t30SMHDMk86OdRuqjm9ED4gyB7ht S+LyAuqPTdk6knadpX5SOjly7ARV7/LFDnXuOd/m3DGt4Jxhpe+AjERWZnEKxQRMRdgt a8+cge4nL4rXERjBWuveSEyR8CULPxMnajVt2b7NT7tt/1HHwPAGutn9Q4Jz4Ht823S0 d1JmwSZEPw0fBwfQ9Ql8enHX4EbCY8JOSWZSUY+fUGfYYLZwlgivPINA8l0uol5Yosk3 G0t64ct9aAzZ0aNHEr1sST8cAnSjrPHqNAZzDv6Bz1ptcvq1X14Yb/rQdVxsX4tHsY6R DJzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOyQzwDRRKYvLbSbB0ecjX5GGYwiXu1xpSXlgLucb4GlcnPZAlVi hsWuI2oXPwbw+LLiqB7wDY5xbry6/sBo X-Received: by 10.107.170.99 with SMTP id t96mr5060913ioe.113.1497532486160; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:14:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:14:35 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1142eddae0b15d0551ff7332" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Update to Vulnerability Scenario Project Page X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:14:49 -0000 --001a1142eddae0b15d0551ff7332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All: I've added some additional software we might consider using for the hackathon to our readme file here: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon If I've missed something, please point it out! Kind regards, Adam --001a1142eddae0b15d0551ff7332 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:

I've added some additional software we mi= ght consider using for the hackathon to our readme file here:=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_= 99_hackathon

If I've missed something, ple= ase point it out!

Kind regards,

Adam
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All:

Do we think, for the hackathon, we should consider creating an OVAL schema for SWID?

Kind regards,

Adam
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(Fed)" To: Adam Montville , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sacm] SWID+OVAL Thread-Index: AQHS5dl1krwrGpEQX0q4Z7e30fstSKIl6CJE Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:18:45 +0000 Message-ID: <7D4774B6D5F743BBB119E69BE8DDD1577CBF6F44@unknown> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: gmail.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;gmail.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=nist.gov; x-originating-ip: [71.255.253.191] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; MWHPR09MB1439; 7:TzHJgyWfdalUqL1gt0vBc0aecfBbzzVmFejX7UCGeSuWBhcKFGs1fwvXYUa2BNfPpi+k7lwP5TEClD00ebRXj4NQRbl58ewnL2NpL8O+V8Q0o0eTvCj9pJtZY7rr2eWYs2VmojmIRW8b8OeUKoo4Eo3I5nHnP8axAJMnZAlCZXjYJUdzSffYJLwVDcLZ6VgdvYIlL2d3VsOCJOFBfMfpfHDUrgooCKEC83Be7g0AZW3xdIOz+3+v8CCGw9L1tx+WAGjwTh2KYcZ4+iSEsYNZ1e3s/XysVivwOEjiNS1AfHb4pWxkG+om4nRO0r2spQmP5QoIRvLE2WtnTCZT2StbcQ== x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MWHPR09MB1439: x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: c3091805-75e2-4c51-d9c7-08d4b3f10d90 x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001)(2017030254075)(48565401081)(201703131423075)(201703031133081); SRVR:MWHPR09MB1439; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000700101)(100105000095)(100000701101)(100105300095)(100000702101)(100105100095)(6040450)(601004)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(93006095)(93001095)(10201501046)(3002001)(100000703101)(100105400095)(6055026)(6041248)(20161123564025)(201703131423075)(201702281528075)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123558100)(20161123560025)(20161123555025)(20161123562025)(6072148)(100000704101)(100105200095)(100000705101)(100105500095); SRVR:MWHPR09MB1439; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000800101)(100110000095)(100000801101)(100110300095)(100000802101)(100110100095)(100000803101)(100110400095)(100000804101)(100110200095)(100000805101)(100110500095); SRVR:MWHPR09MB1439; x-forefront-prvs: 0339F89554 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(39850400002)(39400400002)(39410400002)(39840400002)(39860400002)(39450400003)(24454002)(25786009)(50986999)(76176999)(54356999)(6436002)(558084003)(2860100001)(2900100001)(6506006)(8936002)(53936002)(33656002)(81166006)(8676002)(38730400002)(6246003)(99286003)(478600001)(54896002)(6512007)(9686003)(3846002)(102836003)(6116002)(2950100002)(2906002)(122556002)(33716001)(3280700002)(3660700001)(5660300001)(66066001)(55846006)(77096006)(6486002)(2920100001)(229853002)(7736002)(39060400002)(189998001)(86362001)(2501003)(14454004)(82676001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:MWHPR09MB1439; H:MWHPR09MB1440.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:ovrnspm; PTR:InfoNoRecords; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7D4774B6D5F743BBB119E69BE8DDD1577CBF6F44unknown_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Jun 2017 13:18:45.9982 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 2ab5d82f-d8fa-4797-a93e-054655c61dec X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR09MB1439 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] SWID+OVAL X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:18:52 -0000 --_000_7D4774B6D5F743BBB119E69BE8DDD1577CBF6F44unknown_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The XML file content test should suffice. Dave ________________________________ On: 15 June 2017 09:15, "Adam Montville" wrote= : All: Do we think, for the hackathon, we should consider creating an OVAL schema = for SWID? Kind regards, Adam --_000_7D4774B6D5F743BBB119E69BE8DDD1577CBF6F44unknown_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The XML file content test should suffice.

Dave

On: 15 June 2017 09:15, "Adam Montville" <adam.w.montville@gma= il.com> wrote:
All:

Do we think, for the hackathon, we should consider creating an OVAL sc= hema for SWID?

Kind regards,

Adam
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On Thu, Jun 15, = 2017 at 8:18 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote:
The XML file content test should suffice.

Dave

On: 15 June 2017 09:15, "Adam Montville" <adam.w.montville@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
All:

Do we think, for the hackathon, we should consider creating an OVAL sc= hema for SWID?

Kind regards,

Adam
--001a114417e427a5d60551ffa864-- From nobody Thu Jun 15 17:16:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1A912EB08; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:16:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.54.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149757219100.11259.12377983247551870235@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:16:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:16:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:26:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:26:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0354369a4aa2055208d5cc" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM Requirements -16 uploaded X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:26:23 -0000 --94eb2c0354369a4aa2055208d5cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks! On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:18 PM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) < ncamwing@cisco.com> wrote: > Colleagues, > > > > I=E2=80=99ve updated the requirements drafts to address the last call com= ment (nit) > > In https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ > > > > Regards, nancy > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c0354369a4aa2055208d5cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks!

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In https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/

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--94eb2c0354369a4aa2055208d5cc-- From nobody Fri Jun 16 03:17:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5DD1317D2 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eOtPkTRLLTMz for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.strongswan.org (sitav-80046.hsr.ch [152.96.80.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77DB11317D1 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [152.96.214.70] (unknown [152.96.214.70]) by mail.strongswan.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 294B04013B; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:17:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Steffen To: "sacm@ietf.org" Cc: "Schmidt, Charles M." Message-ID: <2e8798e8-42b1-285b-608f-06501b8153eb@strongswan.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:17:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms010605050206040704030708" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] sacm-nea-swid-patnc (SWIMA) prototype implementation X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:17:20 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010605050206040704030708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have just finished a prototype implementation of the SWIMA draft "draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swid-patnc". The following five PA-TNC attributes are currently supported (without subscription yet): * SW Request * Software Identifier Inventory * Software Identifier Events * Software Inventory * Software Events The C source code can be found in the swima branch of the strongSwan project: https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/ietf/sw= ima Various SWIMA object classes are located here https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/swima Unit tests for the PA-TNC message and attributes, achieving nearly 100 % code coverage are found here https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/blob/swima/src/libimcv/suites/te= st_imcv_swima.c The SWIMA attributes can be used with the SW Posture Collector/Validator pair https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/plugins/i= mc_swima https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/plugins/i= mv_swima The SWIMA server log of a live posture session via a PT-TLS connection is documented here https://wiki.strongswan.org/projects/strongswan/wiki/Swima Best regards Andreas Steffen =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Andreas Steffen andreas.steffen@strongswan.org strongSwan - the Open Source VPN Solution! www.strongswan.org Institute for Networked Solutions HSR University of Applied Sciences Rapperswil CH-8640 Rapperswil (Switzerland) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D[INS-HSR]=3D=3D --------------ms010605050206040704030708 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature 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sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.54.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149760839675.24127.11552193285655531692.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:19:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Abstain_on_draft-ietf-s?= =?utf-8?q?acm-requirements-16=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:19:57 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I abstain because I don’t think there is a achievable value in publishing this document in the RFC series (for consumption outside the wg). However, I also don’t understand why there is a requirement to support multiple transport protocols, including potentially UDP. I don’t think this is worth a discuss on this document but if SACM plans to invent a new transport (over UDP) instead of just using TCP which seems more than appropriate, it needs a real justification for that (which is at least in this document not at all given)! From nobody Fri Jun 16 03:23:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6510F1317E8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:23:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SNH4w87Bbqti for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8B5D1317EF for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id k93so27822256ioi.2 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:23:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XFliO0MfP7mR/cOlS5MlaUpOnlsd7BFAeki6OSZGTpw=; b=euCDET42WA7HuxKUR2uhOcv3bktL6e7R9GCOVRSdwmmcFJ42PIcLPcuSFD9+Z5kL1V 1wWbgexol5IKJkKzxB/XKtQlktAnE9HCvR6Ahq3cdJd0GnAID1pMfYhqUmctWJepR9Hi ErJX8H9WeV7nrlQ/+6rCivIxAw6NcHQQUj5//2TG5emGAm+pNfo93Pgn7+Lj/BsWfhP6 o67o2zhVNC2qpbOAa3tsEkIoKsQjaaGHUHzFupBdkY7ppXJC33GFRUhLL8s1zFLbgJTp q3VuDDV7/GXj17Bg4wFZPEi2sRdOxnnJzd2PMOreO2qQ0fSlWV+pory87AgCms4pr+F/ 1drw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XFliO0MfP7mR/cOlS5MlaUpOnlsd7BFAeki6OSZGTpw=; b=ODyCyW2iCBleo1cZ0UDsl/2ylY3wKRda+ab8InMUBAfIbgs47ryjpmFaAfQoAktxlI 6Sv2dZjLCto3eI8PXcVmo10KEj0dLp8Fsuz61FiqC7H00sWvMChISQ//0kG+3SDYwZ+a OJN7iuue9MQ5LUVcagbnyyL5CwuYJl0xyhWBrn2ePMgM3hA0QNvpffdOIp3N+Jlx5rHp AGPok7aeQRpSXFMsiEMSPA8twLkrcp6AxwDphXrkNB3UM/xJgx6/xOeuGS/mxiLzZQ12 Gz8hOOAr07y6wkj4uYovMMPlxPeM5DsFBW4i9pyfknqj9+4Qi9PMagm/vu1qjnNJa+o6 4jHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOyeZ9KLXvF7BlTMZmLlGvP2SWV0xTeQZ+LdNFoJGQDZYWDyC3TB f5CME8HX8Ny7Lqs1pkFmtumzJ/mVkSAP X-Received: by 10.107.23.66 with SMTP id 63mr9662123iox.184.1497608629089; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:23:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2e8798e8-42b1-285b-608f-06501b8153eb@strongswan.org> In-Reply-To: <2e8798e8-42b1-285b-608f-06501b8153eb@strongswan.org> From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:23:37 +0000 Message-ID: To: Andreas Steffen , "sacm@ietf.org" Cc: "Schmidt, Charles M." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05c23e598a2f0552112e0e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] sacm-nea-swid-patnc (SWIMA) prototype implementation X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:23:53 -0000 --94eb2c05c23e598a2f0552112e0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Excellent! If folks are able to take a look at this implementation that would be great. Kind regards, Adam On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:17 AM Andreas Steffen < andreas.steffen@strongswan.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I have just finished a prototype implementation of the SWIMA draft > "draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swid-patnc". The following five PA-TNC attributes > are currently supported (without subscription yet): > > * SW Request > * Software Identifier Inventory > * Software Identifier Events > * Software Inventory > * Software Events > > The C source code can be found in the swima branch of the strongSwan > project: > > > https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/ietf/swima > > Various SWIMA object classes are located here > > https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/swima > > Unit tests for the PA-TNC message and attributes, achieving nearly > 100 % code coverage are found here > > > > https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/blob/swima/src/libimcv/suites/test_imcv_swima.c > > The SWIMA attributes can be used with the SW Posture Collector/Validator > pair > > > > https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/plugins/imc_swima > > > https://github.com/strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/plugins/imv_swima > > The SWIMA server log of a live posture session via a PT-TLS connection > is documented here > > https://wiki.strongswan.org/projects/strongswan/wiki/Swima > > Best regards > > Andreas Steffen > > ====================================================================== > Andreas Steffen andreas.steffen@strongswan.org > strongSwan - the Open Source VPN Solution! www.strongswan.org > Institute for Networked Solutions > HSR University of Applied Sciences Rapperswil > CH-8640 Rapperswil (Switzerland) > ===========================================================[INS-HSR]== > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c05c23e598a2f0552112e0e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent! If folks are able to take a look at this implementation that wou= ld be great.

Kind regards,

Adam
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:17 AM Andreas Steffen <andreas.steffen@strongswan.org= > wrote:
Hi,

I have just finished a prototype implementation of the SWIMA draft
"draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swid-patnc". The following five PA-TNC attri= butes
are currently supported (without subscription yet):

=C2=A0* SW Request
=C2=A0* Software Identifier Inventory
=C2=A0* Software Identifier Events
=C2=A0* Software Inventory
=C2=A0* Software Events

The C source code can be found in the swima branch of the strongSwan
project:

=C2=A0 https://github.com/= strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/ietf/swima

Various SWIMA object classes are located here

=C2=A0 https://github.com/stron= gswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/swima

Unit tests for the PA-TNC message and attributes, achieving nearly
100 % code coverage are found here


https://gith= ub.com/strongswan/strongswan/blob/swima/src/libimcv/suites/test_imcv_swima.= c

The SWIMA attributes can be used with the SW Posture Collector/Validator pair


https://github.com/= strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/plugins/imc_swima

https://github.com/= strongswan/strongswan/tree/swima/src/libimcv/plugins/imv_swima

The SWIMA server log of a live posture session via a PT-TLS connection
is documented here

=C2=A0 https://wiki.strongswan.org/project= s/strongswan/wiki/Swima

Best regards

Andreas Steffen

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From: Andreas Steffen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:28:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040706090006090704060808" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Proposed [minor] changes to sacm-nea-swid-patnc-1 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:28:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040706090006090704060808 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FF8D24A6FDCD923593F702A2" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FF8D24A6FDCD923593F702A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, based on the experience of our SWIMA prototype implementation we propose four minor changes to the SWIMA draft document "draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swid-patnc-1". 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Andreas Steffen , "sacm@ietf.org" Cc: "Schmidt, Charles M." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c035436ca957a055213fffb" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Proposed [minor] changes to sacm-nea-swid-patnc-1 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:45:36 -0000 --94eb2c035436ca957a055213fffb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Andreas, thank you! Charles, are you planning to account for these as GitHub issues in the repo and then update the draft before July 3 with this information (I think you're already planning to update the draft by then per our last interim)? https://github.com/sacmwg/software-identification Kind regards, Adam On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM Andreas Steffen < andreas.steffen@strongswan.org> wrote: > Hi, > > based on the experience of our SWIMA prototype implementation > we propose four minor changes to the SWIMA draft document > "draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swid-patnc-1". > > Best regards > > Andreas > > ====================================================================== > Andreas Steffen andreas.steffen@strongswan.org > strongSwan - the Open Source VPN Solution! www.strongswan.org > Institute for Networked Solutions > HSR University of Applied Sciences Rapperswil > CH-8640 Rapperswil (Switzerland) > ===========================================================[INS-HSR]== > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c035436ca957a055213fffb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andreas, thank you!

Charles, are you pl= anning to account for these as GitHub issues in the repo and then update th= e draft before July 3 with this information (I think you're already pla= nning to update the draft by then per our last interim)?=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/= software-identification

Kind regards,

Adam

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM Andreas Steffen <andreas.steffen@strongswan.org> wro= te:
Hi,

based on the experience of our SWIMA prototype implementation
we propose four minor changes to the SWIMA draft document
"draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swid-patnc-1".

Best regards

Andreas

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This is intended to get the conversation started at some point. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:07 AM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt To: Bill Munyan , Adam Montville < adam.w.montville@gmail.com> A new version of I-D, draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Adam Montville and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist Revision: 00 Title: Definition of the ROLIE configuration checklist Extension Document date: 2017-06-16 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 10 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00 Abstract: This document extends the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) core by defining a new information-type to ROLIE's atom:category pertaining to security configuration checklists. Additional supporting requirements are also defined which describe the use of specific formats and link relations pertaining to the new information-type. 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Not necessarily for immediate review, but we've submit= ted a ROLIE extension for configuration checklists. This is intended to get= the conversation started at some point.

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A new version of I-D, draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Exchange (ROLIE) core by defining a new information-type to RO= LIE's
=C2=A0 =C2=A0atom:category pertaining to security configuration checklists.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Additional supporting requirements are also defined which desc= ribe
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--94eb2c0a8944d4fb3f055215514f-- From nobody Fri Jun 16 10:17:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC51129576; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uG5hEm7Zp3jh; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x229.google.com (mail-pg0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0D07126D05; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x229.google.com with SMTP id v18so22994368pgb.1; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wCOLKDdZIPltO1QUplsRHybHXHJE2Tro2iO5Ckl/ijg=; b=iZNkRJfXCIuzzqu7QqiKwDonquxLArVRmmv/Gmy2rXRNYvx49aASVbhACFriO9jqwU adV60l+73UgcBKteumdMmVq70LGmbl2iVkYp3y2+xBOb5hvnnoPFwgBNwj3XDPqjMmIw l8KBQzi4eSFK8tyeTAhoFmB0yl2yscmh1eKcu1WtRRTVhoemEUNCNjaa0NWMxMs/hnNT q8IevVRfRS/gEwZey5kmjv8q6RB/1NtlZOiQdevEnp3w27ZC2AAogedT+cSKfkqVBw6N sOPmKkck77RnoUvnDFRuQgI3ZSrVy384+6DFWg4me4euGmBU39j+UJvcTVWmrqAF9uet 7VnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wCOLKDdZIPltO1QUplsRHybHXHJE2Tro2iO5Ckl/ijg=; b=jFRSx47DS9TFLHsEDy6em6h0Zd1d1QEBjaFmIW2myfOJVpYN0W5St2JON1mGPWyUcA yYiFf2d3liuAf1Z5KYQzDDHhoZjkMg3JAs8fjMJR7AVMRI5tHqmUCW51Mq3xL+SvZBNo xLZ0CqAd+JVw7M6w7OlTCXcZx0b2FLz8s7HtZ5e/0VDxdnAZ7V80BG0s7qzugaNupoF8 +LXsxgGoqGFmBWExlS2pKsfztWEDXVqfDaZzL7isHJNj6XK5v6XTSWgTEfIpLCC7WUxZ A4kR9p4LZH4LcEDNDExFtxOtNQOVT8if7vSO34xgvTurIQP2JwH0etHCrXOWo2wVnyTy zEIw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwwIw49EJf3VIdFU7XX+rFQsD8x6zrqdkNZ6HQDtTImsyhhi2Hk mKDSTEpTiTl4MqeoQUbpRiymFVPIww== X-Received: by 10.98.53.134 with SMTP id c128mr2429605pfa.55.1497633433314; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.169.13 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:16:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <149760839675.24127.11552193285655531692.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <149760839675.24127.11552193285655531692.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Cc: The IESG , "" , draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Abstain_on_draft-ietf-?= =?utf-8?q?sacm-requirements-16=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 17:17:19 -0000 Hi Mirja, Thanks for reviewing the draft. On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind = wrote: > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Abstain > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I abstain because I don=E2=80=99t think there is a achievable value in pu= blishing this > document in the RFC series (for consumption outside the wg). However, I a= lso > don=E2=80=99t understand why there is a requirement to support multiple t= ransport > protocols, including potentially UDP. I don=E2=80=99t think this is worth= a discuss on > this document but if SACM plans to invent a new transport (over UDP) inst= ead of > just using TCP which seems more than appropriate, it needs a real justifi= cation > for that (which is at least in this document not at all given)! > I assume you are referring to the following transport requirement: T-005 Transport Reliability: SACM transfer protocols MUST provide reliable delivery of data. This includes the ability to perform fragmentation and reassembly, and to detect replays. The SACM transfer may take advantage of reliability features in the network transport; however, the network transport may be unreliable (e.g. UDP), in which case the SACM transport running over the unreliable network transport is responsible for ensuring reliability (i.e. by provisions such as confirmations and re-transmits). SACM plans to re-use existing transports wherever possible and it is likely that SNMP would be an exiting transport they will need to use in order to collect status information from devices on the network, hence their inclusion of this statement on UDP. If a device supports SNMP, YANG, or some existing collection mechanism, they will use the supported protocol. I hope that answers your question. It's a complex assessment to use standards to assess system integrity and other security properties, so this will require using what exists and having to standardize other options that have been in use, but need to be re-worked and standardized (possibly OVAL plus a transport that makes sense). Best, Kathleen > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Fri Jun 16 11:09:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A40127137 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:09:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cEoWA6iShpdV for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C722F12EBAE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id y77so34894554ioe.3 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bBSSoL5UTNPxz8Aw92jyUeFyHiF8+x2id3BqO+9xQkY=; b=QLNasvc7hTXfGxisdJQH7bRP7+cTXfhbz2lkZROS98DK4qKcxe4rV41Yj1C18pVYR6 gV1IjgNdd86BMLez3FmC1sQMwKaQ6BL3zxPkONSLzURyLVB60wmEaw2Vw13lNAOj7Xcv 83KhYagDyD1tR1ac3q8oTwgVTmrig6mux0y+yZm3lM4oUo8NmNRUpQqczktTcFpnAROy IOrbCtOljzgP4+nw0FNxfN8k4h/67tlBGRXp2ljJomh/p23CBcbqgzqwFOoREFxNC5aW 6b2Dm2/VKfoQsC8w/oa84JvlpnCjiXShUOrYQq4PkYge8jxgdp/clkcNEmPGJinO8u55 8Kfw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bBSSoL5UTNPxz8Aw92jyUeFyHiF8+x2id3BqO+9xQkY=; b=X5SJJhlibp5yu86ZRw5HbszQ0VDTcVvrBXYgIyxweTi+Mc0WEp89CMafBbiy5UBHGV eXI8NOpTUNjHnoNq574p4cmFt9BtgV4u7c4z9FEfF9lRNZEXjc0V8PSyXqilmlt+ACwf gPZndwmHSKGgSb7ySgYzwOTFY6KNtRfOstirxmShzBgh6nirEys4TzYZAvzja3i8p9AK sGCrvQ2Yvm2eG+VcstjKQsbgKZXIspeRVNyZjDr9GLR2J3keELW38frPUOWxLm1yMOKO G7xGwssuwGYezXQ/Twr+lYIKZxy5Fzn/+RT0eYwiY/ZL4UNFIj/a9k6wM67GTHUvDD/p BSwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOx5KHn0oy2VWSjr+9NkhXX40upv2fBRoeVzjKPMbJ7lhIZF0s5U MLg3WMfK87rL4844m5sVfL/UaryCavWC X-Received: by 10.107.3.83 with SMTP id 80mr11292772iod.161.1497636547001; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:08:56 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f1262632393055217aeaa" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Hackathon Update X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:09:10 -0000 --001a113f1262632393055217aeaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All: The hackathon group met today to continue discussing our plan - I think we made very good progress. We started talking through a deployment diagram and have identified some open questions that need answering. You can take a look at the diagram here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/master/ietf_99_hackathon/graphics/hackathon_deployment.png In creating the diagram we identified some logistical concerns. For example, SWIMA relies on a PA-TLS client, which relies on a PKI. We're going to need to identify the base image configuration and similar requirements for each of our operating platforms before the hackathon. We're also not settled (with, perhaps, one exception) on where each of these things will be running. Should we be using local VMs, local hardware, or cloud environment, or something else? Additionally, upon subsequent collection (i.e. after initial data has ben obtained by the Vulnerability Assessor from the Endpoint Repository), what acts as the Collector? At least some portion of CIS-CAT Pro is a Collector in the real world, but should it be for this hackathon? Should, instead, the Vulnerability Assessor interface with the PA-TLS Collector over SWIMA? There may be some advantage to demonstrating multiple types of Collector, which may help us discover more about the Endpoint Repository "update" API alluded to by the sequence diagram. You can follow our progress here https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/projects/1 and here https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon. If you are interested in contributing, please reach out. I expect the dedicated hackathon folks to carry on these discussions between now and next week. We all agreed that Bill and Andreas talking through the communications between vulnerability assessor and endpoint repository by next week would be ideal. This will start to answer some of the questions above, and they can start to bring the rest of us into the discussion. I would like to get Stephen involved at some point also, because he and Bill will need to communicate a bit. I'm sure I missed something, so others who were involved, please chime in. If we see positive progress from Bill and Andreas on the VA<->ER communications, and if we can wrap up the deployment diagram by the end of our meeting next week, I think I'd be happy with that. Kind regards, Adam --001a113f1262632393055217aeaa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:

The hackathon group met today to c= ontinue discussing our plan - I think we made very good progress. We starte= d talking through a deployment diagram and have identified some open questi= ons that need answering. You can take a look at the diagram here:=C2=A0https://raw.githubu= sercontent.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/master/ietf_99_hackathon/graph= ics/hackathon_deployment.png

In creating the d= iagram we identified some logistical concerns. For example, SWIMA relies on= a PA-TLS client, which relies on a PKI. We're going to need to identif= y the base image configuration and similar requirements for each of our ope= rating platforms before the hackathon. We're also not settled (with, pe= rhaps, one exception) on where each of these things will be running. Should= we be using local VMs, local hardware, or cloud environment, or something = else?

Additionally, upon subsequent collection (i.= e. after initial data has ben obtained by the Vulnerability Assessor from t= he Endpoint Repository), what acts as the Collector? At least some portion = of CIS-CAT Pro is a Collector in the real world, but should it be for this = hackathon? Should, instead, the Vulnerability Assessor interface with the P= A-TLS Collector over SWIMA? There may be some advantage to demonstrating mu= ltiple types of Collector, which may help us discover more about the Endpoi= nt Repository "update" API alluded to by the sequence diagram.

You can follow our progress here=C2=A0https://github.co= m/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/projects/1=C2=A0and here=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_= 99_hackathon. If you are interested in contributing, please reach out.<= /div>

I expect the dedicated hackathon folks to carry on= these discussions between now and next week. We all agreed that Bill and A= ndreas talking through the communications between vulnerability assessor an= d endpoint repository by next week would be ideal. This will start to answe= r some of the questions above, and they can start to bring the rest of us i= nto the discussion. I would like to get Stephen involved at some point also= , because he and Bill will need to communicate a bit.

<= div>I'm sure I missed something, so others who were involved, please ch= ime in. If we see positive progress from Bill and Andreas on the VA<->= ;ER communications, and if we can wrap up the deployment diagram by the end= of our meeting next week, I think I'd be happy with that.
Kind regards,

Adam



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I just wrote the following in a hackathon update:

=
We're also not settled (with, perhaps, one exception) on whe= re each of these things will be running. Should we be using local VMs, loca= l hardware, or cloud environment, or something else?

Here's my pitch. I think we should use a cloud environment. It just = seems easier to me. We can build a base image, store it away, spin up as ma= ny as we want on demand, remove them, and so on. One drawback is that, when= using Linux-based images, it's more difficult to get graphical environ= ments up and running. So, if having a graphical environment available up th= ere is needed, we might reconsider.

However, also = in favor of the cloud, if we start making really good progress, maybe we= 9;d want to look at collecting information from non-Linux platforms (i.e. W= indows, Solaris, even virtual network devices).

Th= oughts?

Kind regards,

Ada= m
--94eb2c05c23ee51e3b055217c332-- From nobody Fri Jun 16 15:41:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391AE12773A for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:41:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OHTGE5EeQ5bI for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr-a018e.mx.aol.com (omr-a018e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BD88127076 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com [172.27.2.228]) by omr-a018e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3FCEE3800096; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mdc03e.mail.aol.com (core-mdc03.mail.aol.com [172.27.97.13]) by mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DFA5638000082; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 68.192.138.180 by webprd-m60.mail.aol.com (10.74.5.50) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:41:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:41:05 -0400 From: Ruben Oliva To: david.waltermire@nist.gov, adam.w.montville@gmail.com, sacm@ietf.org Message-Id: <15cb3112a6a-1a66-183ed@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <7D4774B6D5F743BBB119E69BE8DDD1577CBF6F44@unknown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123289_171509554.1497652865640" X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [68.192.138.180] x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b02e459445e81623a Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] SWID+OVAL X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 22:41:09 -0000 ------=_Part_123289_171509554.1497652865640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi David. I will not have a chance to attend the hackaton, but I figured to ask this question anyway. Does this also equate to getting XCCDF content? David Oliva -----Original Message----- From: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) (Fed) To: Adam Montville ; sacm Sent: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 9:19 am Subject: Re: [sacm] SWID+OVAL The XML file content test should suffice. Dave On: 15 June 2017 09:15, "Adam Montville" wrote: All: Do we think, for the hackathon, we should consider creating an OVAL schema for SWID? Kind regards, Adam _______________________________________________ sacm mailing list sacm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm ------=_Part_123289_171509554.1497652865640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi David.

I will not have a chance to attend the hackaton, but I figured to ask this question anyway.

Does this also equate to getting XCCDF content?


David Oliva



-----Original Message-----
From: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov>
To: Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>; sacm <sacm@ietf.org>
Sent: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 9:19 am
Subject: Re: [sacm] SWID+OVAL

The XML file content test should suffice.

Dave

On: 15 June 2017 09:15, "Adam Montville" <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
All:

Do we think, for the hackathon, we should consider creating an OVAL schema for SWID?

Kind regards,

Adam
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 ------=_Part_123289_171509554.1497652865640-- From nobody Sat Jun 17 02:54:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A15112702E for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ET4HiuuXutZY for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.strongswan.org (sitav-80046.hsr.ch [152.96.80.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F578126CB6 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.0.100] (77-56-145-176.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.56.145.176]) by mail.strongswan.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5A6A400D2; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:54:47 +0200 (CEST) To: sacm@ietf.org References: From: Andreas Steffen Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:54:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms070603050306050509000209" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Hackathon Update X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:54:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070603050306050509000209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I just uploaded a short description of the strongTNC REST API which could be used for the VA<->ER communication: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/blob/master/ietf_99_hack= athon/strongTNC_REST_API.txt The example scenario shows how all endpoints (devices) can be determined which used a given [vulnerable] openssl version during some time. Kind regards Andreas On 16.06.2017 20:08, Adam Montville wrote: > I expect the dedicated hackathon folks to carry on these discussions > between now and next week. We all agreed that Bill and Andreas talking > through the communications between vulnerability assessor and endpoint > repository by next week would be ideal. This will start to answer some > of the questions above, and they can start to bring the rest of us into= > the discussion. I would like to get Stephen involved at some point also= , > because he and Bill will need to communicate a bit. >=20 > I'm sure I missed something, so others who were involved, please chime > in. 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I'm sure Bill will start taking a look at this information and reach out with any specific questions. Kind regards, Adam On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM Andreas Steffen < andreas.steffen@strongswan.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I just uploaded a short description of the strongTNC REST API which > could be used for the VA<->ER communication: > > > https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/blob/master/ietf_99_hackathon/strongTNC_REST_API.txt > > The example scenario shows how all endpoints (devices) can be determined > which used a given [vulnerable] openssl version during some time. > > Kind regards > > Andreas > > On 16.06.2017 20:08, Adam Montville wrote: > > I expect the dedicated hackathon folks to carry on these discussions > > between now and next week. We all agreed that Bill and Andreas talking > > through the communications between vulnerability assessor and endpoint > > repository by next week would be ideal. This will start to answer some > > of the questions above, and they can start to bring the rest of us into > > the discussion. I would like to get Stephen involved at some point also, > > because he and Bill will need to communicate a bit. > > > > I'm sure I missed something, so others who were involved, please chime > > in. If we see positive progress from Bill and Andreas on the VA<->ER > > communications, and if we can wrap up the deployment diagram by the end > > of our meeting next week, I think I'd be happy with that. > ====================================================================== > Andreas Steffen andreas.steffen@strongswan.org > strongSwan - the Open Source VPN Solution! www.strongswan.org > Institute for Networked Solutions > HSR University of Applied Sciences Rapperswil > CH-8640 Rapperswil (Switzerland) > ===========================================================[INS-HSR]== > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c0361a6d529b005524ec762 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great, Andreas, thanks! I'm sure Bill will start takin= g a look at this information and reach out with any specific questions.
Kind regards,

Adam

=
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM= Andreas Steffen <andr= eas.steffen@strongswan.org> wrote:
Hi,

I just uploaded a short description of the strongTNC REST API which
could be used for the VA<->ER communication:

https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/blob/master/ietf_99_hacka= thon/strongTNC_REST_API.txt

The example scenario shows how all endpoints (devices) can be determined which used a given [vulnerable] openssl version during some time.

Kind regards

Andreas

On 16.06.2017 20:08, Adam Montville wrote:
> I expect the dedicated hackathon folks to carry on these discussions > between now and next week. We all agreed that Bill and Andreas talking=
> through the communications between vulnerability assessor and endpoint=
> repository by next week would be ideal. This will start to answer some=
> of the questions above, and they can start to bring the rest of us int= o
> the discussion. I would like to get Stephen involved at some point als= o,
> because he and Bill will need to communicate a bit.
>
> I'm sure I missed something, so others who were involved, please c= hime
> in. If we see positive progress from Bill and Andreas on the VA<-&g= t;ER
> communications, and if we can wrap up the deployment diagram by the en= d
> of our meeting next week, I think I'd be happy with that.
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--94eb2c0361a6d529b005524ec762-- From nobody Mon Jun 19 11:46:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06E21317FC; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Spencer Dawkins To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149789799271.10715.17409030922365847490.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:46:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:46:33 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm following along with Mirja's Abstain, although I'm balloting No Objection. I'm looking at T-005 Transport Reliability: SACM transfer protocols MUST provide reliable delivery of data. This includes the ability to perform fragmentation and reassembly, and to detect replays. The SACM transfer may take advantage of reliability features in the network transport; however, the network transport may be unreliable (e.g. UDP), in which case the SACM transport running over the unreliable network transport is responsible for ensuring reliability (i.e. by provisions such as confirmations and re-transmits). and wondering why you'd want to run SACM transfer protocols over UDP in the first place (and, assuming there's a fabulous reason to do that, why you wouldn't run those protocols over UDP in all cases). This is a No Objection position, but please recognize that these protocols would be simpler if they were running over TCP. From nobody Mon Jun 19 12:01:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CE3131822 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LhSBsFzkibM9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr-a018e.mx.aol.com (omr-a018e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 978B713184C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.112]) by omr-a018e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 46C1738002A8; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mdc03a.mail.aol.com (core-mdc03.mail.aol.com [172.27.97.13]) by mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0BEA838000086; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 96.231.29.98 by webprd-m103.mail.aol.com (10.74.71.93) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:01:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:01:22 -0400 From: Ruben Oliva To: ncamwing@cisco.com, sacm@ietf.org Message-Id: <15cc1bb175c-4d7d-1f62f@webprd-m103.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_156332_128178977.1497898882906" X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [96.231.29.98] x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a857059481f83413c Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM Requirements -16 uploaded X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 19:01:49 -0000 ------=_Part_156332_128178977.1497898882906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no objection and look forward to new advances. =20 David Oliva =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) To: sacm Sent: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 8:18 pm Subject: [sacm] SACM Requirements -16 uploaded Colleagues, =20 I=E2=80=99ve updated the requirements drafts to address the last call comme= nt (nit) In https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ =20 Regards, nancy _______________________________________________ sacm mailing list sacm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm ------=_Part_156332_128178977.1497898882906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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In section 6 there is figure 15, which looks something like this:

           +---------+*______in>_______*+-----+
           |Hardware |                  |!   !|
           |Component|   +---------+    |!   !|
           +---------+   |Software |in> |!   !|
                         |Component|____|!   !|
                         +---------+*  *|!   !|
                             1|         |!   !|
                             *|         |     |       +----------+
                         +---------+    |End- |*_____*| Identity |
                         |Software |in> |point| acts  +----------+
                         |Instance |____|     | for>
                         +---------+*  1|!   !|
                                        |!   !|
                                        |!   !|
                                        |!   !|
                                        |!   !|____
                                        |!   !|0..1|
                                        +-----+    |
                                           |*      |
                                           |_______|
                                              in>

Of particular interest is the many-to-many relationship "acts for" between Endpoint and Identity; the direction of the "acts for" relation is from Endpoint to Identity, such that an Endpoint "acts for" an Identity.

However, in the paragraph above figure 15 there is a sentence reading, "...zero or more identities that act on behalf of the endpoint..." By this reading, then, the Identity would "act for" the Endpoint, which is the opposite of what the diagram seems to say.

Which is the intended perspective?

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----==_mimepart_5949484961069_54363fc95433dc3892755-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 09:14:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AA5131B13 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LsHunVAfYpAF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2517B131B46 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=OWvKvdfYkATu817iO2XFqxkH+Mg=; b=ITQopZacRDBOQ+fE epuCZNBlNyzAoao0dJQs6CiJbG4Zv0NXv4LYveh9wCM4iMJP+4iC1rUIo+dqZxiC M31J9Ow8KQEZYOgyAdHyhsQudveS9G7oss5Zn7UGKaWqVRXj4JOd2v8QeNcFm5P5 FuStuoXHhqLHZxS3Gl7af2fsquw= Received: by filter0826p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0826p1mdw1-12253-5949496D-6F 2017-06-20 16:12:29.976218304 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id GNelZ68MShODxmf_HeIVag for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:12:29.919 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:12:29 -0700 From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5949496db775b_34c43f8fdfaa1c3073584"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H1ad/u2TIJNtS8GEJFqaGAG7nlFsPrU/L6WNhpWaP4eHnTGuL8R9ehtnXx owtMHIYP4JGsZj39bBBOjG99K8m3oivMbezsTBrU5I9Wid1OCmrOZWXp4jreNRxyc0r2wzvxdM/fxh WaqSs0Q3d6unEYVyzieDIpDUGYuSE0APn2dooNCEJptWZ0mf3UcgKjK4aw== Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model] Section 6: No software, no hardware...no endpoint? (#80) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:14:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5949496db775b_34c43f8fdfaa1c3073584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The paragraph above figure 15 in section 6 (and figure 15 as well) describes an endpoint as having zero or more hardware components and zero or more software components, where each may have zero or more running instances. ``` ...the make up of an Endpoint asset which contains zero or more hardware components and zero or more software components each of which may have zero or more instances running... ``` This feels incorrect, because it defines an endpoint as being capable of having neither hardware nor software, but (as mentioned elsewhere in the draft) is network addressable. Is it possible to have an endpoint without hardware and without software? Even if academically so, what place does it have in our information model? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model/issues/80 ----==_mimepart_5949496db775b_34c43f8fdfaa1c3073584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The paragraph above figure 15 in section 6 (and figure 15 as well) describes an endpoint as having zero or more hardware components and zero or more software components, where each may have zero or more running instances.

...the make up of an Endpoint asset which contains zero or more hardware components and zero or more software components each of which may have zero or more instances running...

This feels incorrect, because it defines an endpoint as being capable of having neither hardware nor software, but (as mentioned elsewhere in the draft) is network addressable. Is it possible to have an endpoint without hardware and without software? Even if academically so, what place does it have in our information model?

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(#80) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:21:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594967aa66c98_22c043fd61c7bfc3c93350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Adam. It=E2=80=99s a fair question. Not every hardware or software component will have been observed by a SACM = sensor. The paragraph says that an endpoint might have no hardware or software comp= onents known to SACM sensors. That=E2=80=99s not quite the same as what you= said, Adam. SACM sensors could know about an endpoint because they see traffic to and f= rom its MAC address. SACM sensors might not know the components of the endp= oint at all. I think it=E2=80=99s useful to model an endpoint even if its components are= wholly unknown. Other sensors could respond by probing to learn more about= the endpoint, for example. Best, Cliff From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 12:12 PM To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model Cc: Subscribed Subject: [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model] Section 6: No software,= no hardware...no endpoint? (#80) The paragraph above figure 15 in section 6 (and figure 15 as well) describe= s an endpoint as having zero or more hardware components and zero or more s= oftware components, where each may have zero or more running instances. ...the make up of an Endpoint asset which contains zero or more hardware co= mponents and zero or more software components each of which may have zero o= r more instances running... This feels incorrect, because it defines an endpoint as being capable of ha= ving neither hardware nor software, but (as mentioned elsewhere in the draf= t) is network addressable. Is it possible to have an endpoint without hardw= are and without software? Even if academically so, what place does it have = in our information model? =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model/issues/80#issue= comment-309844991= ----==_mimepart_594967aa66c98_22c043fd61c7bfc3c93350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Adam.

It=E2=80=99s a fair question.

Not every hardware or software component will have been observed by a SACM = sensor.

The paragraph says that an endpoint might have no hardware or software comp= onents known to SACM sensors. That=E2=80=99s not quite the same as what you= said, Adam.

SACM sensors could know about an endpoint because they see traffic to and f= rom its MAC address. SACM sensors might not know the components of the endp= oint at all.

I think it=E2=80=99s useful to model an endpoint even if its components are= wholly unknown. Other sensors could respond by probing to learn more about= the endpoint, for example.

Best,
Cliff

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The paragraph above figure 15 in section 6 (and figure 15 as well) describe= s an endpoint as having zero or more hardware components and zero or more s= oftware components, where each may have zero or more running instances.

...the make up of an Endpoint asset which contains zero or more hardware co= mponents and zero or more software components each of which may have zero o= r more instances running...

This feels incorrect, because it defines an endpoint as being capable of ha= ving neither hardware nor software, but (as mentioned elsewhere in the draf= t) is network addressable. Is it possible to have an endpoint without hardw= are and without software? Even if academically so, what place does it have = in our information model?

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The ascii art looks like mine =E2=80=93 I recognize the brush strokes.

My view is this: my computer acts for me. I provide my credentials. The c= omputer uses the credentials to access resources for me.

An infected computer may act against me instead, but never mind that!

I say that an endpoint acts for an identity. The diagram is right, and th= e accompanying text needs correcting.

Works?

Best,
Cliff

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In section 6 there is figure 15, which looks something like this:

+---------+*______in>_______*+-----+

|Hardware | |! !|

|Component| +---------+ |! !|

+---------+ |Software |in> |! !|

|Component|____|! !|

+---------+* *|! !|

1| |! !|

*| | | +----------+

+---------+ |End- |*_____*| Identity |

|Software |in> |point| acts +----------+

|Instance |____| | for>

+---------+* 1|! !|

|! !|

|! !|

|! !|

|! !|____

|! !|0..1|

+-----+ |

|* |

|_______|

in>



Of particular interest is the many-to-many relationship "acts for&qu= ot; between Endpoint and Identity; the direction of the "acts for&qu= ot; relation is from Endpoint to Identity, such that an Endpoint "ac= ts for" an Identity.

However, in the paragraph above figure 15 there is a sentence reading, &q= uot;...zero or more identities that act on behalf of the endpoint..."= ; By this reading, then, the Identity would "act for" the Endpo= int, which is the opposite of what the diagram seems to say.

Which is the intended perspective?

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= ----==_mimepart_59496a5b3d727_33063fd303387c30392c8-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 11:40:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC3D1315D9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WXFW9mOb3bAu for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4722813154A for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:40:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=cI9DYPD8QgE62PnNxy6Ppr9fFz0=; b=Mh5LKPl6+6t4tj4M i8NZKMtCJptaF7B+DVYJ9pBX861+HXaEPsD4HmFt1q6Mau6rCfeqX6er7y6bPFmv 8NDCZhLN44qDapctsDPNkL4QHaRZJDc2O+sEushUTrPy5+VdVwil9swt7mzBrJB5 IPpY2iYm5j6b0doZU2yrvYaHEIs= Received: by filter1153p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1153p1mdw1-19619-59496BFF-46 2017-06-20 18:39:59.984049834 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5kAYfVqMQx6CwJSKSdZ1vA for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:39:59.989 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:39:59 -0700 From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59496bffdb35b_dd813fb7098e3c3090485"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9HyCyZSU26nl+hidSPj0TLKP+mw+dy/A5PyAG9ongyeVZv+e2ZqvTbgrmbH e5Wwj6nwm0d/mXSLLvSlbwRWxOuFlm9dBo+tpB2eTNv95Wa4+otGc7bb8MjXcn9cr2OXd2lXMfebAb 3ZZc2lcykbI/GQ1LKJaJld7yhdUOZEdO3Z35udIalaTQi2ZAX2HT5VfMPdVAouoS/Tg59cTMURtj/N Q= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model] Section 6: No software, no hardware...no endpoint? (#80) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:40:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59496bffdb35b_dd813fb7098e3c3090485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Cliff, thanks for your response (it's been a while :-). I do not believe the paragraph in question qualifies the endpoint model to those known to SACM sensors: ```The following figure shows the make up of an Endpoint asset which contains zero or more hardware components and zero or more software components each of which may have zero or more instances running an endpoint at any given time as well as zero or more identities that act on behalf of the endpoint when interfacing with other endpoints, tools, or services. An endpoint may also contain other endpoints in the case of a virtualized environment.``` But, I take your point relative to observations from outside the bounds of the endpoint (i.e. MAC address, as your example states). In that case, I think this ticket should change from "do we need to update our model?" to "can we improve this paragraph to mention why endpoints can be modeled without hardware or software?" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-information-model/issues/80#issuecomment-309850261 ----==_mimepart_59496bffdb35b_dd813fb7098e3c3090485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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   act on behalf of the endpoint when interfacing with other endpoints,
   tools, or services.  An endpoint may also contain other endpoints in
   the case of a virtualized environment.```

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the endpoint (i.e. MAC address, as your example states). In that case, I th=
ink this ticket should change from "do we need to update our model?" to "ca=
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= ----==_mimepart_59496bffdb35b_dd813fb7098e3c3090485-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 12:45:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF778131618; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:44:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149798789771.25060.10459570190959496080.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:44:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:44:58 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Large datagrams: It is possible that the size of posture assessment information can vary from a single assessment that is small in size to a very large datagram or a very large set of assessments (up to multiple gigabytes in size). I would consider saying "message" here, because I usually think of "datagram" as ~= packet/IP datagram. From nobody Tue Jun 20 22:35:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FC9126CC7; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:35:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Terry Manderson To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149802331814.15920.16865727265169629544.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:35:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Terry Manderson's Abstain on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 05:35:18 -0000 Terry Manderson has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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In which case I STRONGLY urge that the 10 pages of requirements be placed (as required) in appendices of the milestone documents (information-model, data-model, protocol/Interface, architecture etc). This maintains the rationale for the designs in question and aids the reader in comprehension of the work. That said, with ABSTAIN positions, I am not blocking publication of this document and I shall leave it to the responsible AD to adjudicate. From nobody Wed Jun 21 04:00:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD421200F3; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 04:00:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org, rbonica@juniper.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149804285430.15886.3449691932334706530.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 04:00:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:00:54 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - 3. The information model MUST accommodate the interoperable addition of new data types and/or schemas. I guess that you want to say: The data model MUST ... See RFC 3444 - Reading G-003, G-004, G-012, it seems like you want to be able to select your "transport", with your own requirements. However, I guess that, practically, you'll select a data model and the transport will be obvious. MIB module => UDP IFPIX information elemeents => UDP/DTLS. Yeah, the specs say SCTP/TCP, but in practice ... YANG module, either NETCONF => TCP/SSH or RESTCONF => HTTPS Not sure I believe into a single transport to rules them all, where "them" is all the different data model source of information. This was already my feedback during your previous interim meeting (where I presented yangcatalog.org): your information model draft is basically of a mix of elements already specified in IPFIX, YANG module, MIB module. How do you consolidate all this? Same remark with "2.5 requirements for data model operations". You select your data model and the data model operations are given/specified already Let's say: IPFIX. From there you have a push mechanism only (as opposed to pull). Let's say: YANG module. From there you select NETCONF or NETCONF, and the operations are already specified. - The SACM information model MUST include the ability to discover and negotiate the use of a particular data model or any data model. What does it mean "negotiate"? Either an end point supports a data model or it doesn't, no? Same remark for: DM-007 Data Model Negotiation: The interfaces and actions in the data model MUST include capability negotiation to enable discovery of supported and available data types and schemas. - Read the following one multiple times, and I still don't understand it: IM-005 Data Lifetime Management: The information model MUST provide a means to allow data models to include data lifetime management. - The SACM information model represents an abstraction for "what" information can be communicated and "how" it is to be represented and shared. Not sure it's aligned with RFC3444: IM --> conceptual/abstract model | for designers and operators +----------+---------+ | | | DM DM DM --> concrete/detailed model for implementors From nobody Wed Jun 21 09:27:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A3D12EB8F; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:27:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149806244879.15488.12191540400968066504.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:27:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Alissa Cooper's Abstain on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:27:29 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I too don't see the particular value of having this published as an RFC, but understand that the WG may view it differently. I offer the comments below for what they're worth. I think the document sows confusion in its use of the terms "transport protocol" and "transfer protocol." They appear to be used interchangeably (maybe? I'm not actually entirely sure), there seem to be claims that HTTP is a L4 transport protocol, and although the terms "SACM transport protocol" and "SACM transfer protocol" are used and vaguely defined in the draft, they are not defined in the terminology document. If this document goes forward it seems like an edit pass to clarify what is meant with these terms each time they are used, and their relationship to what we typically think of as a "transport protocol," is warranted. I would have thought target location information would be specifically called out in Section 5.2. I have not seen a response to the Gen-ART review. From nobody Wed Jun 21 09:32:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3871286B1; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:32:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149806277017.15559.6264125955174335967.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:32:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Warren Kumari's Yes on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:32:50 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I spent a while trying to figure out how to ballot on this - I personally see value in requirements, use-cases and similar (informational) documents - they help newcomers to the technology understand how and why it is shaped as it is. This document is also (kind of) mentioned in the charter ("A document or documents describing the SACM Architecture. This will include protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well as a description ..." , and so I've decided on Yes However, there are still some comments / nits which should be addressed, including: Abstract: "The requirements and scope are based on the agreed upon use cases." -- what use cases / agreed upon by whom? (Missing ref). 1. Introduction "Today’s environment of rapidly-evolving security threats highlights the need to automate the sharing of security information (such as posture information) while protecting user information as well as the systems that store, process, and transmit this information." - "... user information as well as the systems" -> "user information and the systems" ? Not sure if this is better.... 2. Requirements I got somewhat lost in "A SACM transport protocol is one that runs on top of L3 protocols such as TCP/IP or L4 protocols such as HTTP, carries operations (requests / responses), and moves data." - perhaps "A SACM transport protocol is one that runs on top of L3 protocols (such as TCP/IP) or L4 protocols (such as HTTP), carries operations (requests / responses), and moves data." 3: "With the information model defining assets and attributes to facilitate the guidance, collection, and assessment of posture, these are some of the tasks that should be considered:" - the "With" and "these" feel unrelated. I'm not really sure how they are supposed to tie together, so I cannot suggest text. G-001 "2. The query language MUST allow for general inquiries, as well as expression of specific attributes or relationships between attributes to follow; the retrieval of specific information ..." -- I don't really understand the "to follow"; can it be struck? G-002 "Interoperability: The data models, protocols, and transports must be specified with enough details to ensure interoperability." -- I really don't understand the point of saying this - are you expecting that if you *didn't* say this that people would intentionally create models without enough detail? Is this just a "motherhood and apple pie" statement? G-006 "Mechanisms for this protection are unspecified but should include industry best practices such as encrypted storage, encrypted transports, data checksums, etc. " -- the list of best practices seems harmful; if you provide a list people will implicitly assume it is exhaustive, and industry best practices change over time. Also, what is a "data checksum"? I'm assuming you mean something "cryptographic checksums" or "secure hash" - a data checksum implies something like a simple CRC. I'd suggest just dropping the "such as..." list. IM-004 "Data Model Identification: The information model MUST provide a means to uniquely identify each data model uniquely." - you really really want this to be unique, don't you :-P 5.2. Privacy Considerations "In addition to identity and SACM capabilities information disclosure, the use of time stamps or other attributes that can be used as identifiers especially as they are coupled with an identity can be further used to determine a target endpoint or user’s behavioral patterns." -- this sentence could use some work. I agree with what it is trying to say, but it is long and confusing. Perhaps: "In addition to identity and SACM capabilities information disclosure, the use of time stamps (or other attributes that can be used as identifiers) could be further used to determine a target endpoint or user’s behavioral patterns." -- I *think* that that maintains the meaning, but is clearer. "Data confidentiality can provide some level of privacy but may fall short where unecessary data is still transmitted." - "unnecessary" (typo) From nobody Wed Jun 21 10:55:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820E2129423; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:55:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149806772952.15770.4797086970091873123.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:55:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Suresh Krishnan's Abstain on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:55:29 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I do see the value of writing up the requirements to guide further work in the WG, but I do not see that value of publishing them in a standalone RFC. I would have much preferred the requirements to be included in the other WG deliverables (as Alvaro and Terry have noted). I do respect the WG's intent to publish and I am abstaining to move out of the way. From nobody Wed Jun 21 17:54:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A99A12762F; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:54:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149809287110.30694.2492954422285495097.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:54:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:54:31 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I see little value in spending RFC editor resources on publishing this document, but don't feel strongly enough about it to abstain. I would be happy to see this document declared as having been useful for the working group's internal purposes, and having already served the entirety of its purpose, not progressed to an RFC. From nobody Wed Jun 21 19:24:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291CF12942F; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:24:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KpbFW5v1LTF6; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22c.google.com (mail-pf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4328129463; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id c73so1965764pfk.2; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:24:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bY5Y59xNfZmFSZLoCFKSIoCqPXJLjGQU2q5PAF+5lLI=; b=bJ7P/dQUcU1XC2j4+4hbp6gqvu/OP9Gh4G9A6KMNThiY/hOQBFcVT2dth5dVzqEhXD 33+8GuvoJkcgKEqXjZO3os01pECm/XdoKu/y+jD2icxt1yFa7IEd0/uc3zPFR5AyHsT7 nxuR4laQbLvrXZTtv+2k33yZHLzVTbdMU+lWH0glTwdJOiYBt26k4Oapm9HyVXRWU7eN FnO5F76nN2o1wtbyQNloFT4YpeyDH4E6zNm8vyjWJ0Myonw+4MAdMmfqxBFoRQ+gMmvN lg5eKJ1d+NYTyisjBOu1r47B1k6RkFklITDAkAJrXzzJaY6aiKoWWKO1n8Gf7b6WAkAi Ljuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bY5Y59xNfZmFSZLoCFKSIoCqPXJLjGQU2q5PAF+5lLI=; b=o62RX1DKsJ3Z9IxSJuGgWddv0otDsv+D1I7f3XcQySIOD+g3IRaqb0PIlfI+08Udlp Xm8Vz9RlYnPK03XGymrcIyOwdjjJ1ar7EFlOOHnZLL4AnIy2w5EkUIl1Y3GeU2OmFsn9 HtB2u9NgRqCmEsAMbVMU9L+1ypvBTtMXHscKfCtITc2/3SJw5o92JnKyht1g26qBGpYy VLjOKhAIrtvtIvsI9u7kDdqADoaI9eJoddmcZzORWwAwhpkqIDR0n56fWVRrs09I7HgI ZTIm76+9PToz9ThhlThZHftvA+sERpKxWvvrKtnsRjM8Jd7Uoa3YSd+gU7846XK+5tbQ 7MnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOyZHkqBijypPUjNntZMUaKLuTFXJgMRp3FSl6uV+cyD1UyVWidM ghwkbQaDv7AwOVZ9XCwRIIm5W6cnaw== X-Received: by 10.99.3.202 with SMTP id 193mr261954pgd.222.1498098262465; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:24:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.169.13 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:23:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <149789799271.10715.17409030922365847490.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <149789799271.10715.17409030922365847490.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 22:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: Spencer Dawkins Cc: The IESG , "" , draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:24:25 -0000 Hi Spencer, Just one comment inline to help with your question on UDP. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm following along with Mirja's Abstain, although I'm balloting No Objection. > > I'm looking at > > T-005 Transport Reliability: SACM transfer protocols MUST provide > reliable delivery of data. This includes the ability to perform > fragmentation and reassembly, and to detect replays. The SACM > transfer may take advantage of reliability features in the network > transport; however, the network transport may be unreliable (e.g. > UDP), in which case the SACM transport running over the unreliable > network transport is responsible for ensuring reliability (i.e. by > provisions such as confirmations and re-transmits). > > and wondering why you'd want to run SACM transfer protocols over UDP in the > first place (and, assuming there's a fabulous reason to do that, why you > wouldn't run those protocols over UDP in all cases). > > This is a No Objection position, but please recognize that these protocols > would be simpler if they were running over TCP. If the data model is a mib (accessing information about system/device), then the transport is UDP, if it is YANG, then TCP, etc. The transport depends on the data model and established transport (if there is one and they plan to re-use when possible). Thanks for your review! > > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Jun 22 03:40:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D25127698; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 03:40:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alexey Melnikov To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149812801821.30646.854463286087511790.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 03:40:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:40:18 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I generally dislike "requirements" documents, as most WG are not going to check final protocol against requirements. However I can see that such documents can be sometimes useful. I have some specific comments on Section 2.6. It generally looks very confused on transport protocol versa transfer protocol, which I don't think are synonyms: 2.6. Requirements for SACM Transport Protocols I think you meant "Transfer Protocol" in the section title, as my understanding that "SACM transfer protocol" != "SACM transport protocol"? The term SACM transfer protocol is intended to be distinguished from underlying layer 3 and 4 protocols such as TCP/IP, operating at an equivalent level as the hyperText transfer protocol (HTTP). The SACM transfer protocol is focused on moving data and performing necessary access control operations; it is agnostic to the data model operations. The requirements for SACM transport protocols include: Again, do you mean "transfer protocol" here? (snip) T-003 Data Confidentiality: SACM transfer protocols MUST be able to support data confidentiality. SACM transport protocols MUST ensure Do you really mean "transport protocol" above? This will rule out both TCP and UDP. data protection for data in transit (e.g. by encryption) to provide confidentiality, integrity, and robustness against protocol-based attacks. Note that while the transport MUST be able to support data confidentiality, implementations MAY provide a configuration option that enables and disables confidentiality in deployments. Protection for data at rest is not in scope for transport protocols. Again, "transfer protocols"? Data protection MAY be used for both privacy and non-privacy scenarios. From nobody Thu Jun 22 05:44:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76D41287A0; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 05:44:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mC8kUmjO7uw5; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x235.google.com (mail-yw0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 570D51286CA; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x235.google.com with SMTP id v7so5404310ywc.2; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lqj2XuEFNZOEeOoPG9lKA5fWy6ze+tTSo3JqKhyYGNY=; b=orLWMbI5DT1al/RNzTdu2CtF2QoPklNxvN34jf53EY2nFdP2uaCSnODQdC/UNbjMx6 i2iEiiKCKRIyCT9nl9r8c2JuJ/sqFQx8IsZ5hn424qj44xdLAUNa0PlvqbiaRDvMyIRp Jq8s0qCTYciqsiCtSMX6a2jfkPN8nbaUBTEUcEJbKRVLMmv/HqQsgRtgkl/QFSF8rF4Y UZ/JfxB3/vk6oLdDVh8io+Rdp9O8nZv1hOfwjjHl/H0r5268mvO3XLUW6DyVwMt9MZxg hW4oUx8cCDbsy+cS206MJYGgaLIqdmbWs2K/CKuQA66Vd479lAzXisupumyJVZ0zZNBM GpgQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lqj2XuEFNZOEeOoPG9lKA5fWy6ze+tTSo3JqKhyYGNY=; b=uUBZlvgu3LQkJAZi8G+/2cNrluFd2E5uQW+nb6KtTf8LOnfO9JK40zpO/C7yvk3VCz J3N/Pb8Qgy0fmTifAEdRN9hndQqwlcq/3JRoVT90GaRQ0+v/Tddxq5T67A+bYV7FWhVE kv2SnI5LommdrAkL77xVltKh1cF6/qLw9jyzhxrXb/Hp/xwyQayuJCIYsjIrM0YVg91i Z/IkaflmwppOeQEMtATQFXy57IUAZrfumhuNXFO7KRjScMFU6KdgQQeF0/Bjag53rK0W cNjaWuoPF71uSr5Q+5lmnrTU0kna1yh7+z+4hG/O3LtV2cwcOzIa7m1VT9Mq34rUjsYm hPGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOxU1oOsgTRROWiauIv0NfYwMO1nPT1pVnuttHqt3+vnbJirXNS6 1gru5sgIHnSeb7UWwSw9BK8qmgPSfA== X-Received: by 10.129.57.137 with SMTP id g131mr1591842ywa.275.1498135465577; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 05:44:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.104.144 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 05:44:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <149789799271.10715.17409030922365847490.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 07:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: Kathleen Moriarty Cc: The IESG , "" , draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114c8a8240678305528bd87b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:44:29 -0000 --001a114c8a8240678305528bd87b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Kathleen, On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Spencer, > > Just one comment inline to help with your question on UDP. > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Dawkins > wrote: > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria. > html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'm following along with Mirja's Abstain, although I'm balloting No > Objection. > > > > I'm looking at > > > > T-005 Transport Reliability: SACM transfer protocols MUST provide > > reliable delivery of data. This includes the ability to perform > > fragmentation and reassembly, and to detect replays. The SACM > > transfer may take advantage of reliability features in the network > > transport; however, the network transport may be unreliable (e.g. > > UDP), in which case the SACM transport running over the unreliable > > network transport is responsible for ensuring reliability (i.e. by > > provisions such as confirmations and re-transmits). > > > > and wondering why you'd want to run SACM transfer protocols over UDP in > the > > first place (and, assuming there's a fabulous reason to do that, why you > > wouldn't run those protocols over UDP in all cases). > > > > This is a No Objection position, but please recognize that these > protocols > > would be simpler if they were running over TCP. > > If the data model is a mib (accessing information about > system/device), then the transport is UDP, if it is YANG, then TCP, > etc. The transport depends on the data model and established > transport (if there is one and they plan to re-use when possible). This is very helpful. After reading Alissa and Benoit's positions, I wonder if it's not better to either - s/transport/transfer/g, so it's obvious that none of the references are to a classic transport protocol, or - drop this requirement as a NO-OP but I know that you folks will Do The Right Thing :-) ... Spencer --001a114c8a8240678305528bd87b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Kathleen,

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Spencer,

Just one comment inline to help with your question on UDP.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Dawkins
<spencerdawkins.ietf@gm= ail.com> wrote:
> Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
> COMMENT:
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
>
> I'm following along with Mirja's Abstain, although I'm bal= loting No Objection.
>
> I'm looking at
>
> T-005=C2=A0 Transport Reliability: SACM transfer protocols MUST provid= e
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reliable delivery of data.=C2=A0 This includes the = ability to perform
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fragmentation and reassembly, and to detect replays= .=C2=A0 The SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0transfer may take advantage of reliability features= in the network
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0transport; however, the network transport may be un= reliable (e.g.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0UDP), in which case the SACM transport running over= the unreliable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0network transport is responsible for ensuring relia= bility (i.e. by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provisions such as confirmations and re-transmits).=
>
> and wondering why you'd want to run SACM transfer protocols over U= DP in the
> first place (and, assuming there's a fabulous reason to do that, w= hy you
> wouldn't run those protocols over UDP in all cases).
>
> This is a No Objection position, but please recognize that these proto= cols
> would be simpler if they were running over TCP.

If the data model is a mib (accessing information about
system/device), then the transport is UDP, if it is YANG, then TCP,
etc.=C2=A0 The transport depends on the data model and established
transport (if there is one and they plan to re-use when possible).

This is very helpful.

Afte= r reading Alissa and Benoit's positions, I wonder if it's not bette= r to either=C2=A0
  • s/transport/transfer/g, so it's obv= ious that none of the references are to a classic transport protocol, or=C2= =A0
  • drop this requirement as a NO-OP
but I know t= hat you folks will Do The Right Thing :-) ...

Spencer
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On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, Kathleen, > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < > kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Spencer, >> >> Just one comment inline to help with your question on UDP. >> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Dawkins >> wrote: >> > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for >> > draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection >> > >> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> > introductory paragraph, however.) >> > >> > >> > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/stat >> ement/discuss-criteria.html >> > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> > >> > >> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > COMMENT: >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > I'm following along with Mirja's Abstain, although I'm balloting No >> Objection. >> > >> > I'm looking at >> > >> > T-005 Transport Reliability: SACM transfer protocols MUST provide >> > reliable delivery of data. This includes the ability to perform >> > fragmentation and reassembly, and to detect replays. The SACM >> > transfer may take advantage of reliability features in the network >> > transport; however, the network transport may be unreliable (e.g. >> > UDP), in which case the SACM transport running over the unreliable >> > network transport is responsible for ensuring reliability (i.e. by >> > provisions such as confirmations and re-transmits). >> > >> > and wondering why you'd want to run SACM transfer protocols over UDP in >> the >> > first place (and, assuming there's a fabulous reason to do that, why you >> > wouldn't run those protocols over UDP in all cases). >> > >> > This is a No Objection position, but please recognize that these >> protocols >> > would be simpler if they were running over TCP. >> >> If the data model is a mib (accessing information about >> system/device), then the transport is UDP, if it is YANG, then TCP, >> etc. The transport depends on the data model and established >> transport (if there is one and they plan to re-use when possible). > > > This is very helpful. > > After reading Alissa and Benoit's positions, I wonder if it's not better > to either > > - s/transport/transfer/g, so it's obvious that none of the references > are to a classic transport protocol, or > - drop this requirement as a NO-OP > > but I know that you folks will Do The Right Thing :-) ... > I'm blowing through last night's telechat e-mails and didn't see Alexey's ballot before sending this. He's saying s/transport/transfer/g, which works for me. Thanks, Spencer --001a114926e63c44b205528beb7e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And, of course ...

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF = <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Kathleen,

On Wed, Jun 21= , 2017 at 9:23 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.iet= f@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi= Spencer,

Just one comment inline to help with your question on UDP.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Dawkins
<spen= cerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
> COMMENT:
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
>
> I'm following along with Mirja's Abstain, although I'm bal= loting No Objection.
>
> I'm looking at
>
> T-005=C2=A0 Transport Reliability: SACM transfer protocols MUST provid= e
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reliable delivery of data.=C2=A0 This includes the = ability to perform
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fragmentation and reassembly, and to detect replays= .=C2=A0 The SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0transfer may take advantage of reliability features= in the network
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0transport; however, the network transport may be un= reliable (e.g.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0UDP), in which case the SACM transport running over= the unreliable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0network transport is responsible for ensuring relia= bility (i.e. by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provisions such as confirmations and re-transmits).=
>
> and wondering why you'd want to run SACM transfer protocols over U= DP in the
> first place (and, assuming there's a fabulous reason to do that, w= hy you
> wouldn't run those protocols over UDP in all cases).
>
> This is a No Objection position, but please recognize that these proto= cols
> would be simpler if they were running over TCP.

If the data model is a mib (accessing information about
system/device), then the transport is UDP, if it is YANG, then TCP,
etc.=C2=A0 The transport depends on the data model and established
transport (if there is one and they plan to re-use when possible).

This is very helpful.

After reading Alissa and Benoit's positions, I wonder if it'= ;s not better to either=C2=A0
  • s/transport/transfer/g, so = it's obvious that none of the references are to a classic transport pro= tocol, or=C2=A0
  • drop this requirement as a NO-OP
= but I know that you folks will Do The Right Thing :-) ...
=

I'm blowing through last n= ight's telechat e-mails and didn't see Alexey's ballot before s= ending this. He's saying s/transport/transfer/g, which works for me.

Thanks,

Spencer=C2=A0
=
--001a114926e63c44b205528beb7e-- From nobody Fri Jun 23 09:53:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F24127201 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:53:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5WSw0osqzu3x for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 634BC12700F for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id b205so11248067itg.1 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:53:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=s7S1zLKdEf7Zu/2MeV62Vj9xFdL9EsRWNBWCbQbj4w8=; b=iuOKZsJsXMC0Kk0B/QlPjKSqgCOzjAfrWaHwyUNTFXNOWG3ie3Zv/KgKmGorDtJdVb JVDWXufRcO56bYSaRdQduBXCVLH8sg4ZkUVpbOkV8PIWAVw42+lDQDc9bNVoWr+6hP/0 kPPfB0Ma7qN1Mam5Dl1JJWYXMpVFlJP7FhUwjQ5Z1FynobcP5/3Gj1STzGOA6VL1oKjJ Y8sB4Jp8fbN7EVKka7vUhkidBsmcTytsetC8U1GC3ai6z1ms2jgvTTq2VWSqrwblBah0 6A4T8X1K1DOrLp/2/zco/pTmpKKUeo4li8UeAzbGhtQd6JyyBy0nu/9mIKfv0RnecNLN ffrw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=s7S1zLKdEf7Zu/2MeV62Vj9xFdL9EsRWNBWCbQbj4w8=; b=Ewj/gb/J8i/LBydccRTMMRuVqCt7uHmD6PFAyDhq+IwrInT/uqRh84gXJ2tL3Q1tRV OshBAYeur8sBHjo3zmS8hk3KVkQ351jxmHdNYxdo3efxe7RpfGfn1PZXNZCJuxfjDwIw xUMQ8B2ONquuZTd0ZI+Z3YAc3xfrp+GiNkGA+X8KFUbTVKsAbJBr1h1x5+7ep5fhzkhf 3B6D+M8gqjL6RiBBGSIgFTT3uB9G/b0inmLS9q7ucAHGmzOA/DUaOJsdT9mJW307+RaP kMLtG1jcEM1DbC5lHzLTuJ/asge+/jq0BYkUF9mBLDp7YJB+gjVNg0oagq9agTlvREiB KCeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOxbAU9g5saMpjG0FJvracnMzc2z412eqVU1ENMaXa1P075BoW18 ShWbCL3Wrci7Ut0LOG14Zg6EiEj3HYkK X-Received: by 10.36.82.85 with SMTP id d82mr8475568itb.13.1498236796455; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:53:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:53:05 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1142f3760ad3860552a370f9" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Today's Hackathon Planning Session X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:53:19 -0000 --001a1142f3760ad3860552a370f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi there. A few of us were able to meet today to continue SACM hackathon discussions. I've updated the GitHub repository: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon . Stephen had asked for the original diagram. It turns out that it was in the repository and I simply overlooked it: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/blob/master/ietf_99_hackathon/graphics/Hackathon%20Deployment.vsdx Other actions have been captured in our project: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/projects/1. These include making an implied goal explicit, and getting ROLIE implementation code made available to folks. *If you're part of the hackathon team, please look at these and take care of them if you're name's on them* :-) We haven't moved forward the overall environment setup discussion, but I think we're at a point where we can start calling out owners for the implementation endpoints we need to bring. How is this for a start? * Bill: Endpoint running CIS-CAT Pro * Andreas: Endpoints running StrongSWAN and PT-TLS client * Stephen: Endpoint running Vulnerability Detection Data (ROLIE) server It might be easiest to simply run these as virtual machines or containers on our local gear. Thoughts on that? Kind regards, Adam --001a1142f3760ad3860552a370f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there. A few of us were able to meet today to continue = SACM hackathon discussions. I've updated the GitHub repository:=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/= ietf_99_hackathon.

Stephen had asked for the origina= l diagram. It turns out that it was in the repository and I simply overlook= ed it:=C2=A0https://gi= thub.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/blob/master/ietf_99_hackathon/graphi= cs/Hackathon%20Deployment.vsdx

Other actions h= ave been captured in our project:=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability= -scenario/projects/1. These include making an implied goal explicit, an= d getting ROLIE implementation code made available to folks. If you'= re part of the hackathon team, please look at these and take care of them i= f you're name's on them :-)

We haven&#= 39;t moved forward the overall environment setup discussion, but I think we= 're at a point where we can start calling out owners for the implementa= tion endpoints we need to bring. How is this for a start?

* Bill: Endpoint running CIS-CAT Pro
* Andreas: Endpoints= running StrongSWAN and PT-TLS client
* Stephen: Endpoint running= Vulnerability Detection Data (ROLIE) server

It mi= ght be easiest to simply run these as virtual machines or containers on our= local gear. Thoughts on that?

Kind regards,
=

Adam


--001a1142f3760ad3860552a370f9-- From nobody Fri Jun 23 17:13:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D1812EB3D; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149826283181.7840.5115864356373893608.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:11 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] sacm - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 00:07:12 -0000 Dear Karen O'Donoghue, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. sacm Session 1 (2:30:00) Thursday, Morning Session I 0930-1200 Room Name: Karlin I/II size: 150 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Karen O'Donoghue Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: acme anima cfrg core dots i2nsf ipsecme mile ntp saag tictoc trans Second Priority: radext ace netmod curdle tls oauth People who must be present: Karen O'Donoghue Kathleen Moriarty Adam W. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent, thank you. W On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 1:45 AM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) < ncamwing@cisco.com> wrote: > Thanks for the review and comments. Please see further comments below: > > On 6/21/17, 9:32 AM, "Warren Kumari" wrote: > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Yes > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > I spent a while trying to figure out how to ballot on this - I > personally see > value in requirements, use-cases and similar (informational) document= s > - they > help newcomers to the technology understand how and why it is shaped > as it is. > This document is also (kind of) mentioned in the charter ("A document > or > documents describing the SACM Architecture. This will include protoco= l > requirements and their associated use cases as well as a description > ..." , and > so I've decided on Yes > > However, there are still some comments / nits which should be > addressed, > including: > > Abstract: > "The requirements and scope are based on the agreed upon use cases." > -- what > use cases / agreed upon by whom? (Missing ref). > [NCW] The use cases are now in RFC 7632 and its reference has been added. > > 1. Introduction > "Today=E2=80=99s environment of rapidly-evolving security threats hig= hlights > the need > to automate the sharing of security information (such as posture > information) > while protecting user information as well as the systems that store, > process, > and transmit this information." - "... user information as well as th= e > systems" > -> "user information and the systems" ? Not sure if this is better...= . > [NCW] Yes, it helps and I=E2=80=99ve made the change in the next revision= . > > 2. Requirements > I got somewhat lost in "A SACM transport protocol is one that runs on > top of L3 > protocols such as TCP/IP or L4 protocols such as HTTP, carries > operations > (requests / responses), and moves data." - perhaps "A SACM transport > protocol > is one that runs on top of L3 protocols (such as TCP/IP) or L4 > protocols (such > as HTTP), carries operations (requests / responses), and moves data." > [NCW] I=E2=80=99ve change L3 and L4 to be =E2=80=9Ctransport layer=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9CInternet layer=E2=80=9D > as suggested by Carsten. > > 3: "With the information model defining assets and attributes to > facilitate the > guidance, collection, and assessment of posture, these are some of th= e > tasks > that should be considered:" - the "With" and "these" feel unrelated. > I'm not > really sure how they are supposed to tie together, so I cannot sugges= t > text. > [NCW] I=E2=80=99ve changed =E2=80=9Cthese are some of the tasks that shou= ld be considered=E2=80=9D > to read > =E2=80=9Ctasks that should be considered include=E2=80=9D. Hopefully it = ties them as > tasks to facilitate the > workflow for =E2=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cguidance=E2=80=9D etc= =E2=80=A6 > > > G-001 > "2. The query language MUST allow for general inquiries, as well as > expression > of specific attributes or relationships between attributes to follow; > the > retrieval of specific information ..." -- I don't really understand > the "to > follow"; can it be struck? > [NCW] Yes, thanks for catching it=E2=80=A6. > > G-002 > "Interoperability: The data models, protocols, and transports must b= e > specified with enough details to ensure interoperability." -- I reall= y > don't > understand the point of saying this - are you expecting that if you > *didn't* > say this that people would intentionally create models without enough > detail? > Is this just a "motherhood and apple pie" statement? > [NCW] Yes! There were a couple of proposals that didn=E2=80=99t provide = enough > specificity > so the WG asked for this requirement to be included. > > G-006 > "Mechanisms for this protection are unspecified but should include > industry > best practices such as encrypted storage, encrypted transports, data > checksums, > etc. " -- the list of best practices seems harmful; if you provide a > list > people will implicitly assume it is exhaustive, and industry best > practices > change over time. Also, what is a "data checksum"? I'm assuming you > mean > something "cryptographic checksums" or "secure hash" - a data checksu= m > implies > something like a simple CRC. I'd suggest just dropping the "such > as..." list. > [NCW] Done. > > IM-004 > "Data Model Identification: The information model MUST provide a mean= s > to > uniquely identify each data model uniquely." - you really really want > this to > be unique, don't you :-P > [NCW] LoL=E2=80=A6.2nd uniquely is removed > > 5.2. Privacy Considerations > "In addition to identity and SACM capabilities information disclosure= , > the use > of time stamps or other attributes that can be used as identifiers > especially > as they are coupled with an identity can be further used to determine > a target > endpoint or user=E2=80=99s behavioral patterns." -- this sentence cou= ld use > some work. > I agree with what it is trying to say, but it is long and confusing. > Perhaps: > "In addition to identity and SACM capabilities information disclosure= , > the use > of time stamps (or other attributes that can be used as identifiers) > could be > further used to determine a target endpoint or user=E2=80=99s behavio= ral > patterns." -- > I *think* that that maintains the meaning, but is clearer. > [NCW] Yes, thanks for the improvement. > > "Data confidentiality can provide some level of privacy but may fall > short > where unecessary data is still transmitted." - "unnecessary" (typo) > [NCW] Fixed. > > > > > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --001a114db3d270d2d50552d6b118 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent, thank you.


W

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 1:45 AM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing= ) <ncamwing@cisco.com> wrot= e:
Thanks for the review and commen= ts.=C2=A0 Please see further comments below:

On 6/21/17, 9:32 AM, "Warren Kumari" <warren@kumari.net> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Yes

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When responding, please keep the subject line intact and repl= y to all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free t= o cut this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 introductory paragraph, however.)


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please refer to https://www.i= etf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions= .


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found= here:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 COMMENT:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I spent a while trying to figure out how to ballot on this - = I personally see
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 value in requirements, use-cases and similar (informational) = documents - they
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 help newcomers to the technology understand how and why it is= shaped as it is.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document is also (kind of) mentioned in the charter (&qu= ot;A document or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 documents describing the SACM Architecture. This will include= protocol
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 requirements and their associated use cases as well as a desc= ription ..." , and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 so I've decided on Yes

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 However, there are still some comments / nits which should be= addressed,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 including:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "The requirements and scope are based on the agreed upon= use cases." -- what
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 use cases / agreed upon by whom? (Missing ref).
[NCW] The use cases are now in RFC 7632 and its reference has been added.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. Introduction
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Today=E2=80=99s environment of rapidly-evolving securit= y threats highlights the need
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to automate the sharing of security information (such as post= ure information)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 while protecting user information as well as the systems that= store, process,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and transmit this information." - "... user informa= tion as well as the systems"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -> "user information and the systems" ? Not sure= if this is better....
[NCW] Yes, it helps and I=E2=80=99ve made the change in the next revision.<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2.=C2=A0 Requirements
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I got somewhat lost in "A SACM transport protocol is one= that runs on top of L3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 protocols such as TCP/IP or L4 protocols such as HTTP, carrie= s operations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (requests / responses), and moves data." - perhaps "= ;A SACM transport protocol
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is one that runs on top of L3 protocols (such as TCP/IP) or L= 4 protocols (such
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as HTTP), carries operations (requests / responses), and move= s data."
[NCW] I=E2=80=99ve change L3 and L4 to be =E2=80=9Ctransport layer=E2=80=9D= and =E2=80=9CInternet layer=E2=80=9D as suggested by Carsten.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3: "With the information model defining assets and attri= butes to facilitate the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 guidance, collection, and assessment of posture, these are so= me of the tasks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 that should be considered:" - the "With" and &= quot;these" feel unrelated. I'm not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 really sure how they are supposed to tie together, so I canno= t suggest text.
[NCW] I=E2=80=99ve changed =E2=80=9Cthese are some of the tasks that should= be considered=E2=80=9D to read
=E2=80=9Ctasks that should be considered include=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Hopefully = it ties them as tasks to facilitate the
workflow for =E2=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cguidance=E2=80=9D etc= =E2=80=A6


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 G-001
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "2.=C2=A0 The query language MUST allow for general inqu= iries, as well as expression
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of specific attributes or relationships between attributes to= follow; the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 retrieval of specific information ..." -- I don't re= ally understand the "to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 follow"; can it be struck?
[NCW] Yes, thanks for catching it=E2=80=A6.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 G-002
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Interoperability: The data models, protocols, and trans= ports=C2=A0 must be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 specified with enough details to ensure interoperability.&quo= t; -- I really don't
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 understand the point of saying this - are you expecting that = if you *didn't*
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 say this that people would intentionally create models withou= t enough detail?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Is this just a "motherhood and apple pie" statement= ?
[NCW] Yes!=C2=A0 There were a couple of proposals that didn=E2=80=99t provi= de enough specificity
so the WG asked for this requirement to be included.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0G-006
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Mechanisms for this protection are unspecified but shou= ld include industry
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 best practices such as encrypted storage, encrypted transport= s, data checksums,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 etc. " -- the list of best practices seems harmful;=C2= =A0 if you provide a list
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 people will implicitly assume it is exhaustive, and industry = best practices
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 change over time. Also, what is a "data checksum"? = I'm assuming you mean
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 something "cryptographic checksums" or "secure= hash" - a data checksum implies
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 something like a simple CRC. I'd suggest just dropping th= e "such as..." list.
[NCW] Done.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IM-004
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Data Model Identification: The information model MUST p= rovide a means to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 uniquely identify each data model uniquely." - you reall= y really want this to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 be unique, don't you :-P
[NCW] LoL=E2=80=A6.2nd uniquely is removed

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5.2.=C2=A0 Privacy Considerations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "In addition to identity and SACM capabilities informati= on disclosure, the use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of time stamps or other attributes that can be used as identi= fiers especially
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as they are coupled with an identity can be further used to d= etermine a target
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 endpoint or user=E2=80=99s behavioral patterns." -- this= sentence could use some work.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I agree with what it is trying to say, but it is long and con= fusing. Perhaps:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "In addition to identity and SACM capabilities informati= on disclosure, the use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of time stamps (or other attributes that can be used as ident= ifiers) could be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 further used to determine a target endpoint or user=E2=80=99s= behavioral patterns." --
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I *think* that that maintains the meaning, but is clearer. [NCW] Yes, thanks for the improvement.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Data confidentiality can provide some level of privacy = but may fall short
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 where unecessary data is still transmitted." - "unn= ecessary" (typo)
[NCW] Fixed.




--
I don't think the execution is relevant when it wa= s obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid we= asels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those par= ticular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
--001a114db3d270d2d50552d6b118-- From nobody Mon Jun 26 08:37:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F4112EB0C; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:37:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:37:25 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:37:26 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (Resending because I forgot to hit the "send email" button this first time. No other change.) The SACM charter requires the group to " whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing protocols, mechanisms, information and data models. " If that is reflected anywhere in the requirements, I missed it. (which is possible.) In particular, I think section 2.6 needs to include requirements to favor use of existing "transfer protocols". (As written, T-001 seems almost tailored to counter arguments to "just use HTTP".) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- General: - I agree with the other abstain positions that the content in this draft doesn't seem to warrant publication as an RFC. I'm not going to abstain over it, since I think that sort of discussion should occur at charter or milestone adoption time. - I don't think the contents of this draft warrant the use of 2119 keywords. While I think it reasonable to sometimes use 2119 keywords to add precision and clarity to requirements on standards work, many of the requirements in this draft seem vague and hand-wavy. All-caps MUSTs and SHOULDs only serve to give the appearance of precision and verifiability. I mention a few more glaring instances in my detailed comments, but those are not exhaustive. Specifics: - 1.1, 2nd paragraph: If you stick with using normative keywords, but want to disclaim lower case versions, please consider switching to the boilerplate from RFC 8174. - 2.1 (and rest of document): I assume the requirements numbering scheme means something. It would be helpful to describe that scheme prior to use. - g-001: "SACM MUST allow implementations to use their own extensions; either proprietary data models, protocols or extensions to SACM data models or protocols could be used though they are not considered to be SACM compliant." That seems to say that SACM must allow extensions, but those extensions would not be considered compliant. That seems like a contradiction. As worded with the MUST, it seems like it says SACM cannot prevent implementations from doing non-interoperable things. - G-002: This is the whole point of IETF processes. It seems odd to state it as a requirement. - g-003: It seems like you are using "datagram" in an unconventional way. A definition would help. - g-004: "...MUST be suitably specified..." is vague and unverifiable. - G-005: "For interoperability and scope boundary," I don't understand what "scope boundary" means in that clause. - G-006: Is this a requirement for e2e protection? It seems like it is, but the description is vague. In particular, I cannot tell if the mention of middleboxes is to say that middleboxes should not be able to read or modify traffic, or if it is to say that middleboxes may be part of the architecture and actually need that sort of access. (Also, the requirement title says "integrity", but the text seems to be about both integrity and confidentiality.) - G-015: "... accommodate considerations such as geographic, regulatory, operational and federations..." seems vague for use with a MUST. - ARCH-004: "The fact that a centralized or decentralized deployment is used SHOULD be invisible to a consumer." Can you elaborate on why? Might not a consumer want to consider the nature of a data source? - 2.6: The section switches between saying "transport protocols" and "transfer protocols" Please be consistent. - T-001: I think this needs some elaboration, or a citation to elaboration somewhere else. Otherwise, it seems like this assertion opens the door for a lot of complexity and lack of interoperability. 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Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_567CCEEB-194F-4CC8-897B-7783757A4456"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 26 Jun 2017 15:45:43.2653 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 89f84dfb-7285-4810-bc4d-8b9b5794554f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY4PR06MB2455 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Call for adoption: draft-haynes-sacm-ecp X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:45:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_567CCEEB-194F-4CC8-897B-7783757A4456 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FE38CE3F-EB84-4EDA-B13A-1D565E6B7B67" --Apple-Mail=_FE38CE3F-EB84-4EDA-B13A-1D565E6B7B67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Folks, Is there anyone opposed to the adoption of the draft:=20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haynes-sacm-ecp/ = as a working group document.=20 Please reply by 3 July.=20 Regards, Karen and Adam --Apple-Mail=_FE38CE3F-EB84-4EDA-B13A-1D565E6B7B67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Folks,

Is there anyone opposed to the adoption of the draft: 
as a working group document. 

Please reply by 3 July. 

Regards,
Karen and Adam

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with ESMTP id v5R8vuJC011003; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:57:56 GMT To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , The IESG Cc: "draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org" , "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm-chairs@ietf.org" , "sacm@ietf.org" , "rbonica@juniper.net" References: <149804285430.15886.3449691932334706530.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2703E312-DD0A-4EB8-B86A-0C5D4B93B9A1@cisco.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <93f9a968-5db6-aa90-5ea7-d8ff5ec267fe@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:57:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2703E312-DD0A-4EB8-B86A-0C5D4B93B9A1@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:58:02 -0000 Hi Nancy, > Hi Benoit, > Thanks for the review and feedback. Please see further comments below: > > On 6/21/17, 4:00 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - 3. The information model MUST accommodate the interoperable > addition of new data types and/or schemas. > > I guess that you want to say: The data model MUST ... > See RFC 3444 > [NCW] The group actually debated “information model” vs “data model” extensively and > decided on this language. > > - > Reading G-003, G-004, G-012, it seems like you want to be able to select your > "transport", with your own requirements. > > However, I guess that, practically, you'll select a data model and the > transport will be obvious. MIB module => UDP IFPIX information elemeents => > UDP/DTLS. Yeah, the specs say SCTP/TCP, but in practice ... YANG module, either > NETCONF => TCP/SSH or RESTCONF => HTTPS Not sure I believe into a single > transport to rules them all, where "them" is all the different data model > source of information. This was already my feedback during your previous > interim meeting (where I presented yangcatalog.org): your information model > draft is basically of a mix of elements already specified in IPFIX, YANG > module, MIB module. How do you consolidate all this? > [NCW] There will be data models that are only suitable for specific transfer models > and specific transport layers (ROLIE for example as a discovery lends itself better at > an HTTP and not so much in MIB). The Information model is meant to be a “raw” > definition of elements/attributes that can them be mapped into specific data models > (the group for instance is looking at SWID, others are looking at netconf) etc…. > > Same remark with "2.5 requirements for data model operations". > You select your data model and the data model operations are given/specified > already Let's say: IPFIX. From there you have a push mechanism only (as opposed > to pull). Let's say: YANG module. From there you select NETCONF or NETCONF, and > the operations are already specified. > [NCW] In essence, that is correct. > > - > The SACM information model MUST include the > ability to discover and negotiate the use of a particular data model > or any data model. > > What does it mean "negotiate"? > Either an end point supports a data model or it doesn't, no? > > Same remark for: > DM-007 Data Model Negotiation: The interfaces and actions in the > data model MUST include capability negotiation to enable discovery > of supported and available data types and schemas. > [NCW] In this context, “Negotiate” is the means by which two parties can agree on the data model to be used. > The “means” could be data model and/or transfer protocol specific….but the intent is to enable that thru > The abstraction to allow for that should be in the Information model definition. > > > - Read the following one multiple times, and I still don't understand it: > IM-005 Data Lifetime Management: The information model MUST provide > a means to allow data models to include data lifetime management. > [NCW] It is really meant to be a means by which the consumer of the information can know when that data may be obsoleted (updated, changed or removed). What about trying to make the text clear(er)? > > - > The SACM information model represents an abstraction for "what" > information can be communicated and "how" it is to be represented and > shared. > > Not sure it's aligned with RFC3444: > IM --> conceptual/abstract model > | for designers and operators > +----------+---------+ > | | | > DM DM DM --> concrete/detailed model > for implementors > > [NCW] We really have tried….if it isn’t clear, I am open to making it more so but > the resulting draft and definitions come from much debate and final agreement from the WG. What I considered to be an easy COMMENT turned out more complicated that I thought. I guess that we'll agree to disagree. I don't feel that this data model/information model discussion will be resolved to my OPS-view satisfaction. I can't support this document publication and I don't want to spend energy to try to convince people for this COMMENT Since I don't want to be in the way, I'll ABSTAIN. Regards, Benoit From nobody Tue Jun 27 01:58:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D7312700F; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:58:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org, Karen O'Donoghue , sacm-chairs@ietf.org, odonoghue@isoc.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149855392488.14946.14283316335214997611.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:58:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Benoit Claise's Abstain on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:58:45 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Nancy, > Hi Benoit, > Thanks for the review and feedback. Please see further comments below: > > On 6/21/17, 4:00 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - 3. The information model MUST accommodate the interoperable > addition of new data types and/or schemas. > > I guess that you want to say: The data model MUST ... > See RFC 3444 > [NCW] The group actually debated “information model” vs “data model” extensively and > decided on this language. > > - > Reading G-003, G-004, G-012, it seems like you want to be able to select your > "transport", with your own requirements. > > However, I guess that, practically, you'll select a data model and the > transport will be obvious. MIB module => UDP IFPIX information elemeents => > UDP/DTLS. Yeah, the specs say SCTP/TCP, but in practice ... YANG module, either > NETCONF => TCP/SSH or RESTCONF => HTTPS Not sure I believe into a single > transport to rules them all, where "them" is all the different data model > source of information. This was already my feedback during your previous > interim meeting (where I presented yangcatalog.org): your information model > draft is basically of a mix of elements already specified in IPFIX, YANG > module, MIB module. How do you consolidate all this? > [NCW] There will be data models that are only suitable for specific transfer models > and specific transport layers (ROLIE for example as a discovery lends itself better at > an HTTP and not so much in MIB). The Information model is meant to be a “raw” > definition of elements/attributes that can them be mapped into specific data models > (the group for instance is looking at SWID, others are looking at netconf) etc…. > > Same remark with "2.5 requirements for data model operations". > You select your data model and the data model operations are given/specified > already Let's say: IPFIX. From there you have a push mechanism only (as opposed > to pull). Let's say: YANG module. From there you select NETCONF or NETCONF, and > the operations are already specified. > [NCW] In essence, that is correct. > > - > The SACM information model MUST include the > ability to discover and negotiate the use of a particular data model > or any data model. > > What does it mean "negotiate"? > Either an end point supports a data model or it doesn't, no? > > Same remark for: > DM-007 Data Model Negotiation: The interfaces and actions in the > data model MUST include capability negotiation to enable discovery > of supported and available data types and schemas. > [NCW] In this context, “Negotiate” is the means by which two parties can agree on the data model to be used. > The “means” could be data model and/or transfer protocol specific….but the intent is to enable that thru > The abstraction to allow for that should be in the Information model definition. > > > > - Read the following one multiple times, and I still don't understand it: > IM-005 Data Lifetime Management: The information model MUST provide > a means to allow data models to include data lifetime management. > [NCW] It is really meant to be a means by which the consumer of the information can know when that data may be obsoleted (updated, changed or removed). What about trying to make the text clear(er)? > > > - > The SACM information model represents an abstraction for "what" > information can be communicated and "how" it is to be represented and > shared. > > Not sure it's aligned with RFC3444: > IM --> conceptual/abstract model > | for designers and operators > +----------+---------+ > | | | > DM DM DM --> concrete/detailed model > for implementors > > [NCW] We really have tried….if it isn’t clear, I am open to making it more so but > the resulting draft and definitions come from much debate and final agreement from the WG. What I considered to be an easy COMMENT turned out more complicated that I thought. I guess that we'll agree to disagree. I don't feel that this data model/information model discussion will be resolved to my OPS-view satisfaction. I can't support this document publication and I don't want to spend energy to try to convince people for this COMMENT Since I don't want to be in the way, I'll ABSTAIN. Regards, Benoit From nobody Tue Jun 27 06:36:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2BF126557 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5zYQlbg72YPR for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22d.google.com (mail-io0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DF28129562 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id r36so17534531ioi.1 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=czi9NbOKTh3SsjDhRekwJFE9Bv9I+DDXwdNAyKxx+5Y=; b=WDAj5yc8S4WLmXA/GXNQzUa+Gpju9YZbTJRkguCUz+Ck61fmG4n7dJWy4uuiPYQKKF d1N+8z+5vlJ5kJUicX11N9AstfYjkvgPq+ZUpZktps213+p6iSOYyE9Wut4Z5ZSQEYXU sPmCAzZorwDabBn+coRfl0kj0/IlT0wqD2uWV8qDwKRS6uW7Xczp7Cmg2fB+zEjAI34i PNG3XBWqyxGmZvx9lvPvUX+4acPoECzb62foW+luNqMZ6njoHEgoe3Q0XWNQv6KnhPCn c7OUs9J5PZAciPR84nz3+wH99oOnaC6+iOyzwlN8n1SjmnOTweUv6Yqmo0YkXbSut5mL WDxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=czi9NbOKTh3SsjDhRekwJFE9Bv9I+DDXwdNAyKxx+5Y=; b=gp0QQfxSC54MwhwhLc2JAdQPoAAmMFZ2jXmQRv6s4sXJcTQfrXOCZHAMOShgL6682J UlvHp3Juy98SlcWatGsULPJOePysEOXyl84ceZ9R+9E+0H0BWEfo+wYR0RbteefQ5YW+ zmAbWlRrC5dYqlOfFaSiB+0gJZMPPhCAeR0LTt1vXjCu5Oy726szEepbYGVaq+9bCzbk eVSJwqPURimG3lN8PerJvYe5tzrFV5jDcoPa34IZD/z+sw4HO0sGeyitarXqnjhcM52E qedrrts9+RY2qjOxI1JRxAXneTEjERNZyjoTOge4/q0UETVkibs4oXIL/JCNdzVxtmGw Z7jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwvAnVfoQjsnElj5GXUFbr1veSBpTN5c8IRkgR1+anqkqUFzHBG jHbvId6mU1x63C++5dPCI8k6e0Aie3cA X-Received: by 10.107.23.66 with SMTP id 63mr6351209iox.184.1498570605517; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:36:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:36:34 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05c23e9ce5110552f12830" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Hackathon Software/Code X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:36:49 -0000 --94eb2c05c23e9ce5110552f12830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello All: For those of us working on the SACM hackathon, I'm noticing that not everyone is signed up. If you're participating (remotely or in person), please be sure to sign up here: https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf99/hackathonregistration.py For those of you who have committed to providing at least one component, we're definitely at the point where we need those components to be available to others so we can start building the components we don't already have in place. The one missing that immediately comes to mind is the ROLIE implementation. We need to be working on this between our weekly Friday meetings, in order to maximize our success probability. Kind regards, Adam --94eb2c05c23e9ce5110552f12830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All:

For those of us working on t= he SACM hackathon, I'm noticing that not everyone is signed up. If you&= #39;re participating (remotely or in person), please be sure to sign up her= e:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf99/hackathonregistration.p= y

For those of you who have committed to providing a= t least one component, we're definitely at the point where we need thos= e components to be available to others so we can start building the compone= nts we don't already have in place. The one missing that immediately co= mes to mind is the ROLIE implementation.

We need t= o be working on this between our weekly Friday meetings, in order to maximi= ze our success probability.

Kind regards,

Adam

--94eb2c05c23e9ce5110552f12830-- From nobody Tue Jun 27 06:37:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE417127078 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:37:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T84dWYqjwGDG for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com (mail-io0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EDA9129B28 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x232.google.com with SMTP id z62so17456190ioi.3 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JvY7aLkVjVXBimrs1DK8ZzEmGRp7uzAgCweQ7tkx138=; b=lXp4hus9cL6Y6fnWftsa4GH7CGtY9KdJaRgh+FgS/0vBbS/joQMDu1vrvNwhYAC5sH k9sIX2szJywW+5W9MNfaJoD1FB26DmYvp+O7Ylwf4XgZ9JgXjuD0ZgWun8VK07GT0E3a fedfNDCLNgG5t6hJJQbj4mfUGqCy/sZkwTt8KVvBR451xaSMrEDfwbm4KD3p7vJNMzHO MzPwez7CMZe/1ByB93YzaS1HP+oW3BeFpbfhLtTyCKfYHXbopJb9kfUdtPcFt12qjYJB shoaGEX4Rpw50qNUOYCURhfdX7Gj7QLjnRvFZTt92fVPpgGomTlvOyyXJCKsOBl7tzOM M5SQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JvY7aLkVjVXBimrs1DK8ZzEmGRp7uzAgCweQ7tkx138=; b=LG+JojfkkGg8lSSy+hpyFhNs2q+TwooLugZLkz+MKCz7Q8NFJ0DzqA0sywCBTL7Z79 QjJo3uM7x1AkBoj1c9TdGX6+sdhJyKae7jiIFP5/HwKZSeul7WkNEsdhutOtws2qq5KP PbLcoR3v/GpL1Q0i0xlH0FUzXpU6GNw2bA8rep4kgLfl0AM3LtyBBfje1Pxuse93Y8O8 WLOcb0jLqEOaMArqPdDCQQKU/9XJmgWWAI0GVtpru4QikrCaDNLJnxRzOiMIcjav2P9/ UP/VrxN4Ej7NaPJeCAb3AwEUvVv1/G8HAFGDdNVAC/HQQJeiGvu81HBGbfRMVJCHOhT5 tuYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOxxESE2cdYqW8gLrcU4UmjbgXFOf5a2HGK556pj5ug1FP5chasi t9IitnBz55Za8dr1iqC8YWBgUd8Ldkcv X-Received: by 10.107.188.3 with SMTP id m3mr6526948iof.113.1498570642901; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:37:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:37:12 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0763d8d772800552f12af8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Hackathon Software/Code X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:37:26 -0000 --94eb2c0763d8d772800552f12af8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As a reminder, our hackathon working information is here: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:36 AM Adam Montville wrote: > Hello All: > > For those of us working on the SACM hackathon, I'm noticing that not > everyone is signed up. If you're participating (remotely or in person), > please be sure to sign up here: > https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf99/hackathonregistration.py > > For those of you who have committed to providing at least one component, > we're definitely at the point where we need those components to be > available to others so we can start building the components we don't > already have in place. The one missing that immediately comes to mind is > the ROLIE implementation. > > We need to be working on this between our weekly Friday meetings, in order > to maximize our success probability. > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > --94eb2c0763d8d772800552f12af8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a reminder, our hackathon working information is here:= =C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree= /master/ietf_99_hackathon=C2=A0

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:36 AM Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Hello All:
=
For those of us working on the SACM hackathon, I'm notic= ing that not everyone is signed up. If you're participating (remotely o= r in person), please be sure to sign up here:=C2=A0htt= ps://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf99/hackathonregistration.py

=
For those of you who have committed to providing at least one co= mponent, we're definitely at the point where we need those components t= o be available to others so we can start building the components we don'= ;t already have in place. The one missing that immediately comes to mind is= the ROLIE implementation.

We need to be working o= n this between our weekly Friday meetings, in order to maximize our success= probability.

Kind regards,

Adam

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-0400 From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" To: Ben Campbell , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org" , "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm-chairs@ietf.org" , "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHS7pIhjU8zcKr1zUmvwgnJ3MxZwqI40NuA Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.1a.0.160910 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.242.203] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: 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9F39E1243F3; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:10:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149858704459.31117.3226788970073258699@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:10:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-17.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:10:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring of the IETF. Title : Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) Requirements Authors : Nancy Cam-Winget Lisa Lorenzin Filename : draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-17.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2017-06-27 Abstract: This document defines the scope and set of requirements for the Secure Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) architecture, data model and transfer protocols. The requirements and scope are based on the agreed upon use cases ([RFC7632]). 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Investigating the diagram is bringing up a few questions, mostly around the formats of the data that will be returned to me. - What formats can I expect to be able to query from a ROLIE feed? In other words, ROLIE will link me to a resource. Will that resource be XML or JSON? Will the VDD take the form of OVAL definitions? If not OVAL, what format should I expect that will both provide information about WHAT needs to be collected from the endpoint repository, and what the expected state of that information should be. - Same question, really, for querying the StrongTNC server/database. What sort of information format should I expect. Using the REST interface would be predictable in some JSON format, it seems. - Finally, will some information be made available either from ROLIE or StrongTNC indicating to a collector/assessor that it needs further information from the endpoint itself? For example, if a SWID tag isn't retrievable from StrongTNC, is there some indicator that the collector should try to obtain that information itself? If I know what information I get from ROLIE, I can try to figure out how to transform that information into a StrongTNC query, and use returned information to compare against an expected state. Thanks in advance for any feedback! Cheers, -Bill M. --001a1146d954fb11960552f7a4ac Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I am starting to dig a l= ittle deeper into those interfaces I am looking to implement for the hackat= hon, specifically developing a ROLIE client (to grab new vulnerability desc= ription data) and a StrongTNC client (to grab information from the endpoint= repository).

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- Same question, really,= for querying the StrongTNC server/database.=C2=A0 What sort of information= format should I expect.=C2=A0 Using the REST interface would be predictabl= e in some JSON format, it seems.

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(Fed)" , "mile@ietf.org" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113fc30206cdee05530acc27" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:12:06 -0000 --001a113fc30206cdee05530acc27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephen, I have comments/responses/questions inline. Let's try to carve some time out in Prague (I'm assuming your'e going to be there) to really go over this. We can probably help with that template you mentioned in another thread as well. Thanks again for your feedback. Kind regards, Adam On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:43 PM Adam Montville wrote: > Thanks, Stephen. > > With respect to producing a standard template for ROLIE extensions, I > think that could be useful, either as a separate draft or, perhaps, as an > appendix in ROLIE proper. > > We'll get to your other comments as soon as possible. > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:00 AM Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) < > stephen.banghart@nist.gov> wrote: > >> All, >> >> >> >> I finished my review of this document and had some personal >> feedback/would like to start some discussion. I=E2=80=99d also like to p= ose a >> question to the group/authors: would it be valuable to produce a standar= d >> template for ROLIE Extensions? We could create a template that would >> enumerate the required and optional sections, and discuss the intended >> content of each section. If this would provide value to anyone I=E2=80= =99d be >> willing to put it together. >> >> >> >> *Introduction:* >> >> >> >> How would ROLIE fit into the checklist ecosystem you describe here? I >> understood your explanation of how these checklists may be used in gener= al, >> but not how they may be used/published/downloaded from a ROLIE repositor= y. >> > [AWM] I'm not following this question. This is a ROLIE extension, so it is defining a checklist information type that can be shared. I wouldn't think the extension should be where the ROLIE functions are explained (i.e. published, downloaded, etc.). ROLIE provides collections of resources that are interacted with using AtomPub and linked resources. So, I guess I'm not really understanding what you're after here. > >> >> *New information-types* >> >> >> >> I had a hard time trying to pin down what exactly would fall under the >> =E2=80=9Cconfiguration-checklist=E2=80=9D information type given the des= cription here. I >> think the list of configuration checklist components threw me off. For >> example: =E2=80=98 A =E2=80=9CValue=E2=80=9D =E2=80=99. What is the defi= nition of value here? Is a >> standalone =E2=80=9CValue=E2=80=9D a valid configuration-checklist infor= mation type? Some >> of these things seem like valid checklist content, like rules and profil= es, >> but I didn=E2=80=99t see where the rest fit the definition given at the = head of the >> section. >> > >> >> In ROLIE SWD and ROLIE CSIRT, we provide a list of example information >> that could be, if placed into by themselves, classified as the >> information type in question, rather than the components that make up th= at >> information type. That approach may make it easier for me to understand = the >> configuration checklist information type at a higher level. >> > [AWM] Would it help if we were to first describe what a configuration checklist is? I think I see your point here. We launch straight into the mechanics of it all, presuming that the reader is already steeped in our lingo. So, we could start with something that literally defines configuration checklists. I'll look at the SWID and CSIRT examples, thanks for mentioning them. > >> >> *Usage of Configuration Checklist Information in the Atom Publishing* >> >> * Protocol* >> >> >> >> The first paragraph talks about =E2=80=9Cthese requirements=E2=80=9D but= no requirements >> are listed in this section. I may have misunderstood the XML snippet at = the >> bottom of this section, however. >> > [AWM] I think this may be a numbering issue. It may make more sense if 4 were the parent to 5, which really starts all the requirements. We'll take a look at the numbering again. > >> >> *The 'atom:content' Element* >> >> >> >> The serialization type is provided as a MIME type in the content element= , >> so it doesn=E2=80=99t need to be declared in the specification. If a ser= ialization >> has some bearing on other requirements, the MIME type should probably be >> referenced so that your requirement is machine enforceable. >> > [AWM] Ok. I recall that we had a question about this, and were not sure how to handle it. Bill, do you remember what it was? > >> >> *The 'rolie:format' Element=E2=80=99* >> >> >> >> The format element describes the data model in use, not the >> serialization. If I understand correctly (I may not), at it stands today >> the relevant data model for this information-type is XCCDF and maybe OVA= L, >> which could be serialized in XML, JSON, and if you=E2=80=99re really cre= ative, even >> Excel, Word, and PDF. Discussing these data models would probably help m= e >> pin down what the configuration checklist information type entails as we= ll. >> > [AWM] I think I see what you're saying. For the sake of discussion, let's say we've got an Ubuntu Benchmark. Further, let's say that it exists in PDF and XCCDF forms. Then, for each form, what would the 'atom:content' and 'rolie:format' elements be? I think for the XCCDF form it would be 'atom:content' is the XML mime type, then the 'rolie:format' would be XCCDF. But for PDF? > >> >> *Configuration checklist metadata included in the 'rolie:property'* >> >> * Element* >> >> >> >> So after looking through these we=E2=80=99ve realized that some of them = would be >> valuable to include in the ROLIE core specification. I=E2=80=99ve sent a= n email to >> the MILE list to request the addition of =E2=80=9Ccontent-version=E2=80= =9D, =E2=80=9Ccontent-id=E2=80=9D, >> and =E2=80=9Ccontent-published-date=E2=80=9D. These would replace your = =E2=80=9Cchecklist version=E2=80=9D, >> =E2=80=9Dtitle=E2=80=9D, and =E2=80=9Cpublication date=E2=80=9D properti= es, respectively. We also already >> have a =E2=80=9Ccontent-author=E2=80=9D property, so you needn=E2=80=99t= register =E2=80=9Cauthor=E2=80=9D. >> > [AWM] Will look to the MILE list and make some changes. > >> >> For the rest of the properties, I would note that property names can=E2= =80=99t >> have spaces in them, as they form a URN (e.g. >> urn:ietf:params:rolie:property:content-author-name). >> > [AWM] Thanks for the hint. I think we were just enumerating. > >> >> Is the product category property intended for human or machine >> consumption? A non-standardized open world plain text description seems >> dangerously vague for machine consumption. If this is something that is >> important to this extension, a new IANA table where each of these >> categories are enumerated and described would be a good solution. >> > [AWM] We lifted these straight out of what the National Checklist Program requests us (CIS) to enter when we share a new benchmark (configuration checklist) with them. :-) I'm betting human consumption, but NIST would be the authoritative answer. But, it could be something that helps automated categorization? > >> >> Depending on how these product categories are used, also consider >> registering them as categories instead of properties. I=E2=80=99m not su= re if these >> values are more commonly used as organizing buckets or just as additiona= l >> identifying information. >> > [AWM] That's a possibility. > >> >> *Atom:link Registrations* >> >> >> >> You can have 0..n of any given link element. >> > [AWM] Ok, that's good, thanks. > >> >> These registrations would take place at >> https://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml, >> which is designed to hold general purpose link relations. As described i= n >> the ROLIE core link extension point section, domain specific link relati= ons >> shouldn=E2=80=99t be registered to this table. >> >> >> >> It would be helpful for me if you explicitly defined what you mean by >> =E2=80=9Cconformance=E2=80=9D. Is this implementation or usage conforman= ce? >> > [AWM] I believe implementation. The idea here is to put some guidelines around how checklists can be related to each other and other properties. But whether implementation or use depends on perspective. Maybe we need to learn more about this. > >> >> *IANA Considerations* >> >> >> >> I=E2=80=99m unclear on what the =E2=80=9CNew IANA table for "ROLIE Entry= Format"=E2=80=9D block >> of text is meant to be. Is this a new table registration? ROLIE core >> doesn=E2=80=99t establish a table for registering formats. CVRF and CVE = are >> probably not relevant formats for configuration checklists regardless >> right? I would imagine those are formats used to describe some future >> =E2=80=9Cvulnerability=E2=80=9D information type. >> > [AWM] We had another enum ref type of draft, and I wonder if htat's not needed here. Bill, do you remember? > >> >> The reference field of the information type registration should contain = a >> reference to =E2=80=9Cthis document=E2=80=9D, to satisfy the registratio= n requirement. The >> registrations for links, properties, and categories will have to be list= ed >> here at some point as well. >> > [AWM] Ok, thanks. > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stephen Banghart >> >> >> >> *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Adam Montvill= e >> *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2017 11:20 AM >> *To:* sacm@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [sacm] Fwd: New Version Notification for >> draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt >> >> >> >> Not necessarily for immediate review, but we've submitted a ROLIE >> extension for configuration checklists. This is intended to get the >> conversation started at some point. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: >> Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:07 AM >> Subject: New Version Notification for >> draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt >> To: Bill Munyan , Adam Montville < >> adam.w.montville@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> A new version of I-D, >> draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Adam Montville and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Definition of the ROLIE configuration checklist Extensio= n >> Document date: 2017-06-16 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 10 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuratio= n-checklist-00.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-ch= ecklist/ >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checkli= st-00 >> Htmlized: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configurati= on-checklist-00 >> >> >> Abstract: >> This document extends the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information >> Exchange (ROLIE) core by defining a new information-type to ROLIE's >> atom:category pertaining to security configuration checklists. >> Additional supporting requirements are also defined which describe >> the use of specific formats and link relations pertaining to the new >> information-type. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> > --001a113fc30206cdee05530acc27 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stephen,

I have comments/responses/ques= tions inline. Let's try to carve some time out in Prague (I'm assum= ing your'e going to be there) to really go over this. We can probably h= elp with that template you mentioned in another thread as well.
<= br>
Thanks again for your feedback.

Kind= regards,

Adam

<= div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:43 PM Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> w= rote:
Thanks, Step= hen. =C2=A0

With respect to producing a standard templat= e for ROLIE extensions, I think that could be useful, either as a separate = draft or, perhaps, as an appendix in ROLIE proper.

We= 9;ll get to your other comments as soon as possible.

Kind regards,

Adam

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:00 AM Banghart, Stephe= n A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov> wrote:

All,

=C2=A0

I finished my review of this document and had some = personal feedback/would like to start some discussion. I=E2=80=99d also lik= e to pose a question to the group/authors: would it be valuable to produce a standard template for ROLIE Extensions? We could cre= ate a template that would enumerate the required and optional sections, and= discuss the intended content of each section. If this would provide value = to anyone I=E2=80=99d be willing to put it together.

=C2=A0

Introduction:

=C2=A0

How would ROLIE fit into the checklist ecosystem yo= u describe here? I understood your explanation of how these checklists may = be used in general, but not how they may be used/published/downloaded from a ROLIE repository.


[AWM] I'm not following this= question. This is a ROLIE extension, so it is defining a checklist informa= tion type that can be shared. I wouldn't think the extension should be = where the ROLIE functions are explained (i.e. published, downloaded, etc.).= ROLIE provides collections of resources that are interacted with using Ato= mPub and linked resources. So, I guess I'm not really understanding wha= t you're after here.
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New information-types

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I had a hard time trying to pin down what exactly w= ould fall under the =E2=80=9Cconfiguration-checklist=E2=80=9D information t= ype given the description here. I think the list of configuration checklist components threw me off. For example: =E2=80=98 A =E2=80=9CValue= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=99. What is the definition of value here? Is a standalone = =E2=80=9CValue=E2=80=9D a valid configuration-checklist information type? S= ome of these things seem like valid checklist content, like rules and profi= les, but I didn=E2=80=99t see where the rest fit the definition given at the he= ad of the section.=C2=A0

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In ROLIE SWD and ROLIE CSIRT, we provide a list of = example information that could be, if placed into <content> by themse= lves, classified as the information type in question, rather than the components that make up that information type. That approa= ch may make it easier for me to understand the configuration checklist info= rmation type at a higher level.



[AWM] Would it help if we were to first describe = what a configuration checklist is? I think I see your point here. We launch= straight into the mechanics of it all, presuming that the reader is alread= y steeped in our lingo. So, we could start with something that literally de= fines configuration checklists. I'll look at the SWID and CSIRT example= s, thanks for mentioning them.
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=C2=A0

Usage of Configuration Checklist Information in = the Atom Publishing

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Protocol=

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The first paragraph talks about =E2=80=9Cthese requ= irements=E2=80=9D but no requirements are listed in this section. I may hav= e misunderstood the XML snippet at the bottom of this section, however.


[AWM] I think this may be a numbering issue. It = may make more sense if 4 were the parent to 5, which really starts all the = requirements. We'll take a look at the numbering again.
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The 'atom:content' Element=

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The serialization type is provided as a MIME type i= n the content element, so it doesn=E2=80=99t need to be declared in the spe= cification. If a serialization has some bearing on other requirements, the MIME type should probably be referenced so that your req= uirement is machine enforceable.

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[AWM] Ok. I recall that w= e had a question about this, and were not sure how to handle it. Bill, do y= ou remember what it was?
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The 'rolie:format' Element=E2=80=99

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The format element describes the data model in use,= not the serialization. If I understand correctly (I may not), at it stands= today the relevant data model for this information-type is XCCDF and maybe OVAL, which could be serialized in XML, JSON, and if yo= u=E2=80=99re really creative, even Excel, Word, and PDF. Discussing these d= ata models would probably help me pin down what the configuration checklist= information type entails as well.


[AWM] I think I see wha= t you're saying. For the sake of discussion, let's say we've go= t an Ubuntu Benchmark. Further, let's say that it exists in PDF and XCC= DF forms. Then, for each form, what would the 'atom:content' and &#= 39;rolie:format' elements be? I think for the XCCDF form it would be &#= 39;atom:content' is the XML mime type, then the 'rolie:format' = would be XCCDF. But for PDF?
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Configuration checklist metadata included in the= 'rolie:property'

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Element=

=C2=A0

So after looking through these we=E2=80=99ve realiz= ed that some of them would be valuable to include in the ROLIE core specifi= cation. I=E2=80=99ve sent an email to the MILE list to request the addition of =E2=80=9Ccontent-version=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ccontent-id=E2= =80=9D, and =E2=80=9Ccontent-published-date=E2=80=9D. These would replace y= our =E2=80=9Cchecklist version=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Dtitle=E2=80=9D, and =E2= =80=9Cpublication date=E2=80=9D properties, respectively. We also already h= ave a =E2=80=9Ccontent-author=E2=80=9D property, so you needn=E2=80=99t reg= ister =E2=80=9Cauthor=E2=80=9D.

<= /div>

[AWM] Will look to the MILE lis= t and make some changes.
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For the rest of the properties, I would note that p= roperty names can=E2=80=99t have spaces in them, as they form a URN (e.g. urn:ietf:params:rolie:property:content-a= uthor-name).


[AWM] Thanks for the hint. I think we were ju= st enumerating.
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Is the product category = property intended for human or machine consumption? A non-standardized open= world plain text description seems dangerously vague for machine consumpti= on. If this is something that is important to this extension, a new IANA table where each of these categories are enu= merated and described would be a good solution.


[AWM] We l= ifted these straight out of what the National Checklist Program requests us= (CIS) to enter when we share a new benchmark (configuration checklist) wit= h them. :-) I'm betting human consumption, but NIST would be the author= itative answer. But, it could be something that helps automated categorizat= ion?
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Depending on how these p= roduct categories are used, also consider registering them as categories in= stead of properties. I=E2=80=99m not sure if these values are more commonly= used as organizing buckets or just as additional identifying information.


[AWM] That's a possibility.<= /div>
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Atom:link Registratio= ns

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You can have 0..n of any= given link element.

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[AWM] Ok, that's good, thanks.
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These registrations woul= d take place at https://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/lin= k-relations.xhtml, which is designed to hold general purpose link relat= ions. As described in the ROLIE core link extension point section, domain specific link relations shouldn=E2=80=99t be registe= red to this table.

=C2=A0

It would be helpful for = me if you explicitly defined what you mean by =E2=80=9Cconformance=E2=80=9D= . Is this implementation or usage conformance?


[AWM] I bel= ieve implementation. The idea here is to put some guidelines around how che= cklists can be related to each other and other properties. But whether impl= ementation or use depends on perspective. Maybe we need to learn more about= this.
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IANA Considerations

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I=E2=80=99m unclear on w= hat the =E2=80=9CNew IANA table for "ROLIE Entry Format"=E2=80=9D= block of text is meant to be. Is this a new table registration? ROLIE core= doesn=E2=80=99t establish a table for registering formats. CVRF and CVE ar= e probably not relevant formats for configuration checklists regardless right? I woul= d imagine those are formats used to describe some future =E2=80=9Cvulnerabi= lity=E2=80=9D information type.


[AWM] We had another enum = ref type of draft, and I wonder if htat's not needed here. Bill, do you= remember?
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=C2=A0

The reference field of t= he information type registration should contain a reference to =E2=80=9Cthi= s document=E2=80=9D, to satisfy the registration requirement. The registrat= ions for links, properties, and categories will have to be listed here at some point as well.


[AWM] Ok, thanks= .
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=C2=A0

Thanks,

Stephen Banghart<= u>

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From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11:20 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org=
Subject: [sacm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mandm-sacm-r= olie-configuration-checklist-00.txt

=

=C2=A0

Not necessarily for i= mmediate review, but we've submitted a ROLIE extension for configuratio= n checklists. This is intended to get the conversation started at some poin= t.

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Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:07 AM
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To: Bill Munyan <bill.munyan.ietf@gmail.com>, Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail= .com>




A new version of I-D, draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00.txt=
has been successfully submitted by Adam Montville and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-config= uration-checklist
Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A000
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Definition of the ROLIE configurat= ion checklist Extension
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Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-che= cklist/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https:= //tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist-00=
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configurat= ion-checklist-00


Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document extends the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Inform= ation
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Exchange (ROLIE) core by defining a new information-type to RO= LIE's
=C2=A0 =C2=A0atom:category pertaining to security configuration checklists.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Additional supporting requirements are also defined which desc= ribe
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the use of specific formats and link relations pertaining to t= he new
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information-type.




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If you're a presenter, please ensure slides are provided two days prior to the meeting (provided you need slides). Additionally, if you're a presenter but will be remote, please let the MeetEcho folks know: https://ietf99.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Remote_presentations Kind regards, Adam --001a1144ce4ad79a4905532e4119 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Our proposed agenda is posted here= :=C2=A0https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-99-sacm/

Plea= se feel free to bash the agenda as you'd like. If you're a presente= r, please ensure slides are provided two days prior to the meeting (provide= d you need slides). Additionally, if you're a presenter but will be rem= ote, please let the MeetEcho folks know:=C2=A0https://ietf99.conf.meetecho= .com/index.php/Remote_presentations

Kind regar= ds,

Adam
--001a1144ce4ad79a4905532e4119-- From nobody Fri Jun 30 09:26:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3470F12778E for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wyk_7P_r810o for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com (mail-io0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26180127136 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x232.google.com with SMTP id h64so26873397iod.0 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GyppprPLx94kXXu2HSEgZ9ifbSqfcGQdgFllceWmzEg=; b=LAtNi4ZLYF84/m8bokDkCep3YOdO16K1jkgq8UdNHSDVBuuekzm5EgeyeGm/JiPSoj CBZxXShRlJDxhdERZS8yIXm0ABrubZqEy8czVosaxjyUvdty3Te/WdB7OHN0aJpZjrKg 4n7F+wLL0MgLOWYgkb2SfhHYyyGjFJeWywGtKT/1pb+PWk/LYJzQGkm3klNei6E8OD1U xyIHZhhwttUxznA5f4XS9c1PygSDrlEClFo+9JySJMRqQOJVkrfkhyscyzhPBbfM42b5 /N09i9GWv55hPs2e9NQLglpMiXnQEmyyM9yf+WI364UtcGlPcxkcpEM4j6/TD1jaKHk7 wS5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GyppprPLx94kXXu2HSEgZ9ifbSqfcGQdgFllceWmzEg=; b=eLpaUzCH7JtdUpz8je5rTu8drEwkfD+K5qWKcn02PyTLv4mH9mbRjPoL3oYInN93Fm FZ6v8x+zBpl2WjlWHhyTxvVh8HrGqwGwN3pOKzT/pD0A2HETVBOZGmZdaiFgy5kDF4a3 TE8PwPPv89iQNo/ENKvxKDQuOYuZyxOdZU6iLON/5VlrzNSmCecnWqXjfEzkVLjC7BFI 39JtR1cV2Y5393QIcVkpHRh58ujKrBTk4SVI4ISUNAIQx1XMiAPrItM8fcUqTv9WPimi nxhGIothHQYrHVThN8a4TZSYCNZZsp45XpiqRlmKemrvY4fU3VfqQ7XP48sxICHOWLPn KQ3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOzkB0T2Q7RCrQDIz2x/1JW9TxaVxmlDa8PNIe2SWWMpy1TQm5y6 IOef8kCIY39GNOySHQ9XjhWIZvk3amCS X-Received: by 10.107.188.3 with SMTP id m3mr23556295iof.113.1498839993392; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:26:22 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0763d861a9a305532fe1d8" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Hackathon Planning Meeting 2017-06-30 X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:26:36 -0000 --94eb2c0763d861a9a305532fe1d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All: A few of us were able to meet today to discuss our hackathon, which is only *two* weeks away. We've been able to make a little bit of progress. After reviewing a couple of blocking issues, here's what we're doing: - Stephen will build a WAR file and ship it to Bill - Bill will begin creating a ROLIE client - Andreas will provide Bill with some creds to access the StrongTNC instance - Bill will being creating a StrongTNC client At the next meeting, we should be prepared to take a much closer look at the sequence diagram and to start identifying our specific data requirements in each sequence. Specifically, we should have a really good understanding of what specific data we expect from ROLIE, the specific data we're going to get back from StrongTNC, and how we'll determine when subsequent collection is needed. The deployment diagram is updated here: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon The project has been updated: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/projects/1 (*HINT:* If you're a participant, take a look at the "In Progress" column of the project.) Kind regards, Adam --94eb2c0763d861a9a305532fe1d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:

A few of us were able to meet toda= y to discuss our hackathon, which is only two weeks away. We've = been able to make a little bit of progress. After reviewing a couple of blo= cking issues, here's what we're doing:
  • Stephen wi= ll build a WAR file and ship it to Bill
  • Bill will begin creating a = ROLIE client
  • Andreas will provide Bill with some creds to access th= e StrongTNC instance
  • Bill will being creating a StrongTNC client
At the next meeting, we should be prepared to take a much close= r look at the sequence diagram and to start identifying our specific data r= equirements in each sequence. Specifically, we should have a really good un= derstanding of what specific data we expect from ROLIE, the specific data w= e're going to get back from StrongTNC, and how we'll determine when= subsequent collection is needed.



(HINT: If you= 're a participant, take a look at the "In Progress" column of= the project.)

Kind regards,

<= div>Adam
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