From nobody Sat Jul 1 13:30:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475C2126BFD for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 13:30:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y-f_oQkqySwr for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 13:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 844FC126B7E for ; 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= ----==_mimepart_59583317b233_735f3fab3ca1dc3c7635a-- From nobody Mon Jul 3 16:40:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB5E1317E4; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:40:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149912522187.16184.2216749714951301294@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 16:40:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-13.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 23:40:26 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring of the IETF. Title : Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) Terminology Authors : Henk Birkholz Jarrett Lu John Strassner Nancy Cam-Winget Filename : draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-13.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2017-07-03 Abstract: This memo documents terminology used in the documents produced by SACM (Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 3 16:52:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000961317EF; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:52:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149912596297.16093.1747829315785860482@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 16:52:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sacm-coswid-02.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 23:52:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring of the IETF. Title : Concise Software Identifiers Authors : Henk Birkholz Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay Charles Schmidt David Waltermire Filename : draft-ietf-sacm-coswid-02.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2017-07-03 Abstract: This document defines a concise representation of ISO 19770-2:2015 Software Identifiers (SWID tags) that is interoperable with the XML schema definition of ISO 19770-2:2015 and augmented for application in Constrained-Node Networks. Next to the inherent capability of SWID tags to express arbitrary context information, CoSWID support the definition of additional semantics via well-defined data definitions incorporated by extension points. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-coswid/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sacm-coswid-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sacm-coswid-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sacm-coswid-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jul 6 09:06:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE7813168A for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:06:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6-AB9EbYagQv for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x235.google.com (mail-it0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E3BB131684 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x235.google.com with SMTP id v202so1272513itb.1 for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 09:06:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=074nePm+RNQj5IUc9ebWQhu7aKuFtlv0OFVwD/jMs2s=; b=pRevpfUATyALKRb0m5oSvwvo7cQhUN1Vb0OVDQskjp3zThvKWyKY974Lxqa/opUzb+ BfgpriTtTDmr+ar3LgAqnAw2N0XwCg1hxPglcbpdUH2yN2hoWy+CJBq1EbSdCQ+yA5h4 KL6Q2b+gF6i4vjOhko9zYGvJCn6SxyoZa4tpt1uqQMqU2B1YgK3+DhFfcQHq568VO95r 8PsotnhuQGV1t3da5BPExlznqZJ0B5HLt1W2l+CrNUN+K1zTidHwBpI3o2OV1AQ4ArBr hzqDdQgTqXsoNB17lD+j+3bPg6E5RhfhI+o8ShyucIlWmxQrL38lnPMmMjVi5GxBu+3W RafA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=074nePm+RNQj5IUc9ebWQhu7aKuFtlv0OFVwD/jMs2s=; b=nkqJTGw4GFc2A/z0W09AwrM9e2wST2qBrE7jWJ1YT83I/nLXBWRMYB7D1663KlcitE hpfAImjsYaQGEJ1qPC+2ClVrTRZ0mTRKa1s012LG1vle09LSFaJvTOQ2PJTTmucV+o+0 LDZ+D9B/eUqPqaIjqtek4q839dYUTE2vtjaO0EvobjrYTJZP7kOO1hxvT6IE0i1xiYjy elF7JtdchW4HQyxGDXcgatJEMkLicsYMkNlUDCGumhApiULCDcUpnegxU355aR0hCas1 msJgrUANOF3NhPRv3/v8OxybGE9oXJxG/Ds+6B8FFsTZwEFIqzFrdpljGzJNMUowIY14 Z6nw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw111Cf9XM4eOxQDicsOEWA2A4PJeAPpOYCyevzoFwJz509hBBZ45k Xj+rerID0CcINoYy5RVksithFLZwJUEe X-Received: by 10.36.233.68 with SMTP id f65mr50117ith.126.1499357202681; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 09:06:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 16:06:32 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1170ba7518110553a84d75" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Tomorrow's Hackathon Meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 16:06:46 -0000 --94eb2c1170ba7518110553a84d75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Tomorrow is the last hackathon planning meeting we're going to have before we all actually get to Prague. For those of you involved, how are things going?? Have you been keeping up on the project? Connecting with the right folks? Additionally, there is a chance that I will be unable to attend tomorrow's meeting, so I would like to identify someone who can facilitate the meeting should I be unable to attend. Are there any volunteers? Kind regards, Adam --94eb2c1170ba7518110553a84d75 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--94eb2c1170ba7518110553a84d75-- From nobody Thu Jul 6 11:36:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7291318C1 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sAdR0S15Hv8j for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x229.google.com (mail-wr0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 841541318AA for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x229.google.com with SMTP id c11so14486180wrc.3 for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Xkg6fD6H5SbXbegEZ/CUulW3c0ohWEWWnAwdgBFml/c=; b=tU0dnlkDan5K74r3MS3KEbsWY2s7W3LAfV3SkLYk60C//wmwHZjdM16TTPAIdWWKuG PRp8g2X1ebQ/bCClVOOfmf/L4co4DDVnlezRExTQrFaPODf7NQTDTBiDgk1j6PhIOxY1 pyj82ATwAbgunVUh7CAuMliBrpNq6JGJ0SxZiE/vHOQRKXFwVX6F/s2oc+uePKMDKyb3 1B1jWKOwiVAj2RVttbA+ys2c6vooLeKlLJYsMuAcScVZUyBN4weTyfNPmkljTxFaJY+y VNwWpFvGr5CL19gYD5f4o35z3n65I/UNp8pvGhMUeI+9ag2MGC/yH+C6pobUZ/Lf3elM viIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Xkg6fD6H5SbXbegEZ/CUulW3c0ohWEWWnAwdgBFml/c=; b=VkKiuaOgqWbQz7OexkXeBnlCWZnAOql6SHmLEqmclVJXukgasb/zfTjdMQD/DsPjCB BR9JylZKT5tcrOjKM124BUundLV2VXwJ5btbqaJJORP/kcOLezG9Y0KfMynS3FmIo0WH FeaaById+6YpHKgouzv5cptPqmWEm8tOhFpq+pG+oX2mub03fZ++l19xq55CZQibwCop MJgF4HUyUXTCUbArMDCZ9kCyNV30zt4Fno2JtEpzndYCf60j46Pf1rEMcOXBtDH2Bp1V e7SIujsOyrbI8DKI+I33h/RZIBn1DONJ5eQdxxJf8evamLE15SQtDYb5NfuK3ryouz90 es9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110GjKSXNW8VOjMuzVWKQKKUILeOTioM3NEcc+Hj0ihNl3EuFnkt GXj9/PA5toLbIQo9J3G0H1HDgzT2+w== X-Received: by 10.28.140.143 with SMTP id o137mr370484wmd.47.1499366212068; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.176.98 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:36:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Bill Munyan Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:36:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Adam Montville Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1145a99a756b2a0553aa6613" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Tomorrow's Hackathon Meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 18:36:55 -0000 --001a1145a99a756b2a0553aa6613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Adam, I was able to get creds and such from Andreas in order to connect to StrongTNC. Quick tests allowed me to authenticate and do some GET requests. Stephen, I haven't gotten a compiled up .war file for the ROLIE implementation as of yet. No worries, I understand if its been busy...I've also been too busy to simply download and compile the source code as well. If its a matter of making GET requests and interpreting the results, I am hoping it wont be too much of a heavy lift. Cheers, -Bill M. On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > Tomorrow is the last hackathon planning meeting we're going to have before > we all actually get to Prague. > > For those of you involved, how are things going?? Have you been keeping up > on the project? Connecting with the right folks? > > Additionally, there is a chance that I will be unable to attend tomorrow's > meeting, so I would like to identify someone who can facilitate the meeting > should I be unable to attend. Are there any volunteers? > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > --001a1145a99a756b2a0553aa6613 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Adam,=C2=A0
I was able to get creds and such from Andreas in or= der to connect to StrongTNC.=C2=A0 Quick tests allowed me to authenticate a= nd do some GET requests.=C2=A0 Stephen, I haven't gotten a compiled up = .war file for the ROLIE implementation as of yet.=C2=A0 No worries, I under= stand if its been busy...I've also been too busy to simply download and= compile the source code as well.=C2=A0 If its a matter of making GET reque= sts and interpreting the results, I am hoping it wont be too much of a heav= y lift.

Cheers,=C2=A0
-Bill M.


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Adam Mo= ntville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
Tomorrow is the last hackathon = planning meeting we're going to have before we all actually get to Prag= ue.=C2=A0

For those of you involved, how are things goin= g?? Have you been keeping up on the project? Connecting with the right folk= s?

Additionally, there is a chance that I will be = unable to attend tomorrow's meeting, so I would like to identify someon= e who can facilitate the meeting should I be unable to attend. Are there an= y volunteers?

Kind regards,

Adam



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--001a1145a99a756b2a0553aa6613-- From nobody Fri Jul 7 06:34:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF769129B2A for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-SnGFSzxjhD for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.72.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF535127B73 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (mail.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.84.171]) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id v67DYcss031196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 15:34:40 +0200 Received: from [10.148.96.37] (80.187.112.115) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.319.2; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 15:34:33 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 15:34:29 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----1TDCUO96IMA7VYT0PC68J99PO8BWC0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: From: Henk Birkholz Message-ID: <5F27215C-9610-442A-BD38-2D396150A982@sit.fraunhofer.de> X-Originating-IP: [80.187.112.115] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Tomorrow's Hackathon Meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 13:34:47 -0000 ------1TDCUO96IMA7VYT0PC68J99PO8BWC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill, could you send me the webex link for the upcoming web-conf? I am on the ro= ad and am having trouble finding it=2E=2E=2E :) Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Henk On July 6, 2017 8:36:51 PM GMT+02:00, Bill Munyan wrote: >Adam, >I was able to get creds and such from Andreas in order to connect to >StrongTNC=2E Quick tests allowed me to authenticate and do some GET >requests=2E Stephen, I haven't gotten a compiled up =2Ewar file for the >ROLIE >implementation as of yet=2E No worries, I understand if its been >busy=2E=2E=2EI've >also been too busy to simply download and compile the source code as >well=2E >If its a matter of making GET requests and interpreting the results, I >am >hoping it wont be too much of a heavy lift=2E > >Cheers, >-Bill M=2E > > >On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Adam Montville > >wrote: > >> Tomorrow is the last hackathon planning meeting we're going to have >before >> we all actually get to Prague=2E >> >> For those of you involved, how are things going?? Have you been >keeping up >> on the project? Connecting with the right folks? >> >> Additionally, there is a chance that I will be unable to attend >tomorrow's >> meeting, so I would like to identify someone who can facilitate the >meeting >> should I be unable to attend=2E Are there any volunteers? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sacm mailing list >> sacm@ietf=2Eorg >> https://www=2Eietf=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/sacm >> >> --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------1TDCUO96IMA7VYT0PC68J99PO8BWC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill,

could you send me the webex link for the upcoming web-conf? I am on the ro= ad and am having trouble finding it=2E=2E=2E :)

Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe,

Henk

On July 6, 2017 8:36:51 PM GMT+02:0= 0, Bill Munyan <bill=2Emunyan=2Eietf@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
Adam, 
I was able to get creds and such from Andreas in o= rder to connect to StrongTNC=2E  Quick tests allowed me to authenticat= e and do some GET requests=2E  Stephen, I haven't gotten a compiled up= =2Ewar file for the ROLIE implementation as of yet=2E  No worries, I = understand if its been busy=2E=2E=2EI've also been too busy to simply downl= oad and compile the source code as well=2E  If its a matter of making = GET requests and interpreting the results, I am hoping it wont be too much = of a heavy lift=2E

Cheers, 
-Bill M=2E


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 a= t 12:06 PM, Adam Montville <adam=2Ew=2Emontville@gmail=2Eco= m> wrote:
Tomorrow is the last hackathon planning meeting we're going to have bef= ore we all actually get to Prague=2E 

For those o= f you involved, how are things going?? Have you been keeping up on the proj= ect? Connecting with the right folks?

Additional= ly, there is a chance that I will be unable to attend tomorrow's meeting, s= o I would like to identify someone who can facilitate the meeting should I = be unable to attend=2E Are there any volunteers?

Kind regards,

Adam

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I am on the > road and am having trouble finding it... :) > > Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, > > Henk > > > On July 6, 2017 8:36:51 PM GMT+02:00, Bill Munyan < > bill.munyan.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Adam, >> I was able to get creds and such from Andreas in order to connect to >> StrongTNC. Quick tests allowed me to authenticate and do some GET >> requests. Stephen, I haven't gotten a compiled up .war file for the ROL= IE >> implementation as of yet. No worries, I understand if its been busy...I= 've >> also been too busy to simply download and compile the source code as wel= l. >> If its a matter of making GET requests and interpreting the results, I a= m >> hoping it wont be too much of a heavy lift. >> >> Cheers, >> -Bill M. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Adam Montville < >> adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Tomorrow is the last hackathon planning meeting we're going to have >>> before we all actually get to Prague. >>> >>> For those of you involved, how are things going?? Have you been keeping >>> up on the project? Connecting with the right folks? >>> >>> Additionally, there is a chance that I will be unable to attend >>> tomorrow's meeting, so I would like to identify someone who can facilit= ate >>> the meeting should I be unable to attend. Are there any volunteers? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sacm mailing list >>> sacm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >>> >>> >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --001a1145ea522080be0553ba5b4d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:34 AM Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de= > wrote:
Hi Bill,

could you send me the webex link for the upcoming web-conf? I am on the roa= d and am having trouble finding it... :)

Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe,

Henk


On July 6, 2017 8:36:51 P= M GMT+02:00, Bill Munyan <bill.munyan.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam,=C2=A0
I was able to get creds and such from Andreas in or= der to connect to StrongTNC.=C2=A0 Quick tests allowed me to authenticate a= nd do some GET requests.=C2=A0 Stephen, I haven't gotten a compiled up = .war file for the ROLIE implementation as of yet.=C2=A0 No worries, I under= stand if its been busy...I've also been too busy to simply download and= compile the source code as well.=C2=A0 If its a matter of making GET reque= sts and interpreting the results, I am hoping it wont be too much of a heav= y lift.

Cheers,=C2=A0
-Bill M.


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Adam Mo= ntville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
Tomorrow is the last hackathon = planning meeting we're going to have before we all actually get to Prag= ue.=C2=A0

For those of you involved, how are things goin= g?? Have you been keeping up on the project? Connecting with the right folk= s?

Additionally, there is a chance that I will be = unable to attend tomorrow's meeting, so I would like to identify someon= e who can facilitate the meeting should I be unable to attend. Are there an= y volunteers?

Kind regards,

Adam



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(Fed)" To: "sacm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Potential Vulnerabilities to Consider for the Hackathon Thread-Index: AdL5fcg8wU3NevgFRCG2wgLsfUdDKA== Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:19:48 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=nist.gov; x-originating-ip: [129.6.224.58] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; MWHPR09MB1440; 7: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 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1a8529fa-91cc-405c-9aef-08d4c7965760 x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(300000500095)(300135000095)(300000501095)(300135300095)(22001)(300000502095)(300135100095)(2017030254075)(48565401081)(300000503095)(300135400095)(2017052603031)(201703131423075)(201703031133081)(300000504095)(300135200095)(300000505095)(300135600095)(300000506095)(300135500095); SRVR:MWHPR09MB1440; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MWHPR09MB1440: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(65766998875637)(236129657087228)(247924648384137); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000700101)(100105000095)(100000701101)(100105300095)(100000702101)(100105100095)(6040450)(601004)(2401047)(8121501046)(5005006)(2017060910075)(100000703101)(100105400095)(3002001)(93006095)(93001095)(10201501046)(6055026)(6041248)(201703131423075)(201702281528075)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123558100)(20161123564025)(20161123560025)(20161123555025)(20161123562025)(6072148)(100000704101)(100105200095)(100000705101)(100105500095); SRVR:MWHPR09MB1440; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000800101)(100110000095)(100000801101)(100110300095)(100000802101)(100110100095)(100000803101)(100110400095)(100000804101)(100110200095)(100000805101)(100110500095); SRVR:MWHPR09MB1440; x-forefront-prvs: 03648EFF89 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(39850400002)(39410400002)(39450400003)(39860400002)(39400400002)(39840400002)(110136004)(189998001)(25786009)(6916009)(38730400002)(77096006)(54356999)(50986999)(53936002)(5640700003)(6506006)(2351001)(478600001)(81166006)(99286003)(5660300001)(6116002)(33656002)(2900100001)(6306002)(3846002)(55016002)(86362001)(6436002)(74316002)(7696004)(14454004)(8936002)(2906002)(1730700003)(102836003)(966005)(305945005)(3660700001)(9686003)(3280700002)(66066001)(8676002)(2501003)(17700200002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:MWHPR09MB1440; H:MWHPR09MB1440.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 10 Jul 2017 13:19:48.9334 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 2ab5d82f-d8fa-4797-a93e-054655c61dec X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR09MB1440 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Potential Vulnerabilities to Consider for the Hackathon X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:19:52 -0000 The following are a few vulnerabilities for use during the hackathon if we = care to do so. It is likely that one of these should be available on our ta= rget Linux platform. Apache Struts: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-5638 Linux kernel: https://dirtycow.ninja/ (also https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detai= l/CVE-2016-5195) Xen: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10912 Ncurses: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10685 Perl XML-LibXML: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10672 Regards, Dave From nobody Mon Jul 10 08:10:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2851317B7 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:10:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 410kcPetRbaq for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 845711317AE for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id k192so42286031ith.1 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SDi2wRhEIiQ0gPnf1jtdJxXLV5OWT15HK+yoex4TwBc=; b=vFalrjiP42TiTvziQz66uqfbhEIWkyolJp8SK0lH+cQME/BPYc5QJH+tzP2BmquIyA ngmZt1TRVlu76VO1/uznlRvCcnS4op7QB7OdPQ3BnJS0Xo8yWCFUJ7JmbF3ifMlxWMjh W2c3+u+MMBYKlMYvErT4hvUMYEYLVNzgQiNLZA7A+nYGOLW76jNlNBHQ5y2hN+6ofoyG 11qhBBZq3+kSLEAO9ZOE6k22QdCuafYOyD/IxXa2/kK9MtYcBu0Hx+TF/YbYP5QghhNI K34y4/gPe0xCmGgUQp7ARV4KV4lkoX7M229uiqqLSfVx8q44HXYpdnUA3Mpb+l9AbFzS AgTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SDi2wRhEIiQ0gPnf1jtdJxXLV5OWT15HK+yoex4TwBc=; b=QkyfvVvluXjJgNE+fOClu5LhLHiFBfnb5EhlRouhIHH1vUhAtSXK6LXUIn69Sn8mk/ jNtktoSNu6rrgu7kWdw9FVtuhLII2i4K4nKeL2fOGVA04EcdJrzio1rGPK0k9jgIAJnR HrbKk1LcdjCrplj/pxCNA33rr7kUpLeR217C87bk1jML3ruTH4SVDAwvowlKUOsx3DLr bEabBV8vTU3EtstxVebf87VLNlRRoDl+RsDuJ/6XvByamSDDc5iRuFAQOSpxq4MLFUZA OGQaBGMSbT99S22QWMWBHXPbCSv+YqFqer78vgOlLU7OxBIWzzK0vpmDtnp6wLxKXDyD EdtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw113CjQOc1hUYnBiWSy5Rzb7DzI9anEK/CPV5/JLiu5xwBnLXbElx x6yUMhJ2z9a9mFMOjlPzcsrJPlP/Gkoo X-Received: by 10.36.173.27 with SMTP id c27mr12093679itf.75.1499699424735; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:10:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1fc9a47b43220553f7fb08" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Potential Vulnerabilities to Consider for the Hackathon X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:10:27 -0000 --94eb2c1fc9a47b43220553f7fb08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks for sharing these. I've put them up on our README file: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon Kind regards, Adam On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 8:19 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > The following are a few vulnerabilities for use during the hackathon if we > care to do so. It is likely that one of these should be available on our > target Linux platform. > > Apache Struts: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-5638 > Linux kernel: https://dirtycow.ninja/ (also > https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-5195) > Xen: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10912 > Ncurses: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10685 > Perl XML-LibXML: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10672 > > Regards, > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c1fc9a47b43220553f7fb08 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for sharing these. I've put them up on our READ= ME file:=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scena= rio/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon

Kind regards,

Adam

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 8:19 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov>= ; wrote:
The following are a few vu= lnerabilities for use during the hackathon if we care to do so. It is likel= y that one of these should be available on our target Linux platform.

Apache Struts: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-20= 17-5638
Linux kernel: https://dirtycow.ninja/ (also https://= nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-5195)
Xen: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10912<= /a>
Ncurses: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10= 685
Perl XML-LibXML: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE= -2017-10672

Regards,
Dave

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--94eb2c1fc9a47b43220553f7fb08-- From nobody Thu Jul 13 12:49:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6826F12704A for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:49:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xresqdKyn2W for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.strongswan.org (sitav-80046.hsr.ch [152.96.80.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0161D129B19 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.1.15] (46-126-238-39.dynamic.hispeed.ch [46.126.238.39]) by mail.strongswan.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 324B040539; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:49:17 +0200 (CEST) To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "sacm@ietf.org" References: From: Andreas Steffen Message-ID: <5967CEA8.4080703@strongswan.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:48:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030801020201040106010801" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Potential Vulnerabilities to Consider for the Hackathon X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:49:02 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030801020201040106010801 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050502040602020002040804" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050502040602020002040804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, I'm attaching the strongTNC REST API queries that are needed to retrieve the endpoints vulnerable to the Ncurses CVE-2017-10685. See you in Prague Andreas On 10.07.2017 15:19, Waltermire, David A. (Fed) wrote: > The following are a few vulnerabilities for use during the hackathon if= we care to do so. It is likely that one of these should be available on = our target Linux platform. > > Apache Struts: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-5638 > Linux kernel: https://dirtycow.ninja/ (also https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/d= etail/CVE-2016-5195) > Xen: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10912 > Ncurses: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10685 > Perl XML-LibXML: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10672 > > Regards, > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Andreas Steffen andreas.steffen@strongswan.org strongSwan - the Open Source VPN Solution! www.strongswan.org Institute for Networked Solutions University of Applied Sciences Rapperswil CH-8640 Rapperswil (Switzerland) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D[INS-HSR]=3D=3D --------------050502040602020002040804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name="hackathon_vulnerability_ncurses_CVE-2017-10685.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*0="hackathon_vulnerability_ncurses_CVE-2017-10685.txt" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------- Ncurses: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-10685 ncurses 6.0 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1464692 Debian 8.0: ncurses-bin 5.9+20140913-1 vulnerable (usr/bin/infotocap) ncurses-bin 6.0+20170701-1 fixed Ubuntu 16.04: ncurses-bin 6.0+20160213-1ubuntu1 vulnerable (usr/bin/info= tocap) strongTNC queries: The query for package name "ncurses-bin" returns two SWID tags. Both tags= descripe ncurses versions that are vulnerable, one for Debian 8.0 armv7l and one for Ubunt= u 16.04 x86_64. There are only installation events (action=3D1), one for Debian and three= events for Ubuntu, so that the vulnerability hasn't been fixed yet: =20 https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-tags/?package_name=3Dncurses-bin&fields=3D= uri,software_id,package_name,version,events [ { "uri": "https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-tags/5906/",=20 "packageName": "ncurses-bin",=20 "version": "5.9+20140913-1",=20 "softwareId": "strongswan.org__Debian_8.0-armv7l-ncurses-bin-5.9~= 20140913-1",=20 "events": [ { "event": "https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/445/", = "action": 1,=20 "recordId": 1500,=20 "sourceId": 1 } ] },=20 { "uri": "https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-tags/1357/",=20 "packageName": "ncurses-bin",=20 "version": "6.0+20160213-1ubuntu1",=20 "softwareId": "strongswan.org__Ubuntu_16.04-x86_64-ncurses-bin-6.= 0~20160213-1ubuntu1",=20 "events": [ { "event": "https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/1/",=20 "action": 1,=20 "recordId": 2013,=20 "sourceId": 1 },=20 { "event": "https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/23/",=20 "action": 1,=20 "recordId": 3210,=20 "sourceId": 1 },=20 { "event": "https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/276/", = "action": 1,=20 "recordId": 3799,=20 "sourceId": 1 } ] } ] The XML-encoding of the SWID tags can be retrieved with the query https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-tags/?package_name=3Dncurses-bin&fields=3D= swid_xml [ { "swidXml": },=20 { "swidXml":=20 } ] Both SWID tags show that the vulnerable executable "/usr/bin/infotocap" h= as been distributed with these software packages. The retrieval of the installation events returns four distinct endpoint d= evices and shows the respective installation date of the vulnerable version: https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/445/?fields=3Ddevice,timestamp { "device": "https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/4/",=20 "timestamp": "2016-05-27T11:06:15Z" } https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/1/?fields=3Ddevice,timestamp { "device": "https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/1/",=20 "timestamp": "2017-02-15T20:20:34Z" } https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/23/?fields=3Ddevice,timestamp { "device": "https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/2/",=20 "timestamp": "2016-08-29T21:56:52Z" } https://tnc.example.com/api/swid-events/276/?fields=3Ddevice,timestamp { "device": "https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/3/",=20 "timestamp": "2016-04-22T20:55:14Z" } In a next step we retrieve the unique hardware ID and the description of the four vulnerable endpoints: https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/4/?fields=3Dvalue,description,product= { "value": "71497c4241e7c681bc3173f00f7e4ae12d530038",=20 "description": "Raspi 5",=20 "product": { "id": 86,=20 "uri": "https://tnc.example.com/api/products/86/",=20 "name": "Debian 8.0 armv7l" } } https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/1/?fields=3Dvalue,description,product= { "value": "f57bfabdbaf9729133910d70c5903612301cf325",=20 "description": "SWIMA Client 1",=20 "product": { "id": 75,=20 "uri": "https://tnc.example.com/api/products/75/",=20 "name": "Ubuntu 16.04 x86_64" } } https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/2/?fields=3Dvalue,description,product= { { "value": "108fcf6d0d6a79ee529a627ba37c234717f0249c",=20 "description": "Intel NUC",=20 "product": { "id": 75,=20 "uri": "https://tnc.example.com/api/products/75/",=20 "name": "Ubuntu 16.04 x86_64" } } https://tnc.example.com/api/devices/3/?fields=3Dvalue,description,product= { "value": "5d95021396d2415e5c53ca2dea6fbc1c2387c56a",=20 "description": "Lenovo Thinkpad",=20 "product": { "id": 75,=20 "uri": 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Henk On July 14, 2017 4:35:25 PM GMT+02:00, "Waltermire, David A=2E (Fed)" wrote: >I am with Stephen in the Hilton atrium sitting on some black leather >chairs near the hotel reception=2E We will meet those joining to work out >the SACM hackathon logistics here at 5pm=2E See you soon=2E > >Dave --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------FRA7O64N6OX7FDYLUOFSVI0QNUNNML Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Waiting 4 other attendees @ airport=2E Pls update ur current = location!

Henk

On July 14, 2017 4:35:25 PM GMT+02:= 00, "Waltermire, David A=2E (Fed)" <david=2Ewaltermire@nist=2E= gov> wrote:
I am with Stephen in the Hilton atrium sitting on some black leather chair= s near the hotel reception=2E We will meet those joining to work out the SA= CM hackathon logistics here at 5pm=2E See you soon=2E

Dave

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----==_mimepart_5969f612786b1_5e483fdf7be55c3c69629-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 04:08:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155EC127599 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 04:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MPs2SEMjqOZr for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 04:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D18D6126C83 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 04:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 04:08:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1500289701; bh=gTvShZKyYlFBlRE6kcKtlHSU1gXtQs02LTr+vs2XPRc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XPyY+GYIcDYrlpB6Ac2OQ9HjZV9Ck+eROKkrJNT3YYF1RLFZWQCHEfrUrANHEhESj UbzVUTAXYBjBaHkRRH6xDqLfmvdGzMYxfc6zfEF6vxIYppzHdhvzmgnWO/2lnMxBka F7bqIe3dvi6OPnl22gG1yom5A2vGDWL1TFjsN1dQ= From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596c9aa5d537c_55333fe8d575dc3c76354"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Update reference to vulnerability scenario (#38) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:08:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596c9aa5d537c_55333fe8d575dc3c76354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The draft appears to presently say: "A prominent instance of the assessment workflow is illustrated in the Vulnerability Assessment Scenario [I-D.ietf-sacm-vuln-scenario]." The reference should point to the wiki or use another description. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/38 ----==_mimepart_596c9aa5d537c_55333fe8d575dc3c76354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The draft appears to presently say: "A prominent instance of the assessment workflow is illustrated in the Vulnerability Assessment Scenario [I-D.ietf-sacm-vuln-scenario]." The reference should point to the wiki or use another description.

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The definition of attribute presently relies on RFC5209, which defines an attribute as a "data element including any requisite meta-data describing an observed, expected, or the operational status of an endpoint feature (e.g., anti-virus software is currently in use)." We augment this definition by stating that an attribute is atomic and equivalent to (synonymous with??) attribute-value-pairs. We further state that an attribute is a component of a subject.

This feels overly complicated for what we need. There are subjects, and these subjects have attributes. These attributes have values. The AV description provided does not seem like a single attribute, but a collection of attributes for different subjects. Endpoint has_installed anti-virus software. Anti-virus software has_execution_state running.

Is our definition of attribute granular enough?

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The current definition for Collection Task includes a description of three collection methods. Would folks be opposed to explicitly defining Collection Method?

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The way our definition for data origin is written makes it seem like the origin of data is a set of endpoint attributes (while creating a synonym for endpoint attributes in "properties"). This does not feel accurate. The data origin is the SACM component that initially acquired or produced data about an endpoint. We may call that SACM component the originating SACM component. Then we an use the last sentence of the existing definition: Data Origin can be expressed by an endpoint label information element. Although, that feels more complicated than is necessary and we may instead want to say something like: Data Origin is represented by one or more endpoint attributes intended to identify the originating SACM Component.

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----==_mimepart_596ca31f2271a_22cc3fdee6f09c2c1185f0-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 05:27:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2038E131B56 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.395 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.395 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGLOfvX0M4F8 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86004131B54 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:27:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1500294429; bh=jwoH6WNrLaZusqnUTRfgOJiL6lCvP98vr27bTS9RMF0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B3870ezrUQ8R8KTjpPSXmlj3Wqa/uk8yIiWgLW4/+08kSZKhxei0V2ebtn31cV37L 6D4/J88wUSJMwc+eqi5mc/v3gSwVRn8yW0vNgAUTOCiwvS/nTKoNkdrEGRrxxQPCwt QBNrGNteLAqcGdFCtXq7Vv+J9q5qBYHB7b2f0zZo= From: Henk Birkholz Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596cad1db43a7_2e4f23fc88fd97c30102891"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: henkbirkholz X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Definition of "Attribute" (#39) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:27:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596cad1db43a7_2e4f23fc88fd97c30102891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Referencing the NEA definitions seems approriate as seems to be the biggest component used in SACM at the moment. The SACM specific definition is composed of two statements: * Attributes are "atomic" information elements and an equivalent to attribute-value-pairs. * Attributes can be components of Subjects. What improvements would you propose? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/39#issuecomment-315741426 ----==_mimepart_596cad1db43a7_2e4f23fc88fd97c30102891 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Referencing the NEA definitions seems approriate as seems to be the bi= ggest component used in SACM at the moment.
The SACM specific definition is composed of two statements:

  • Attributes are "atomic" information elements and an equivalent to att= ribute-value-pairs.
  • Attributes can be components of Subjects.

What improvements would you propose?

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= ----==_mimepart_596cad1db43a7_2e4f23fc88fd97c30102891-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 05:33:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBD0131473 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.395 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.395 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OV0yuV3T5zyd for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 351C0129B10 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:33:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1500294797; bh=+za5Tyfy+w/4EBHDSGSYHqp5rYedhGSSxgTg7ogOyZQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xXVEQHiILucuR1QLLv/Ph0D/67jOu3mwkZaajo+ZkfZI1UT8gqYjgwxVSCfcHmPJ9 Rrw4F6YsaL5x8psF1xNVq0vT9jjgrAjovVyjw0mzpZwwRvqRwitaieiW4PBaPRuKxp DeohYuSV+ltHAEfQ4Dr0z3SAyT4Y5SZMpyIbaxWo= From: Henk Birkholz Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596cae8d652b6_73d13f9856419c30890ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: henkbirkholz X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Should "Collection Method" be pulled out from "Collection Task" (#40) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:33:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596cae8d652b6_73d13f9856419c30890ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed. On my personal task list is "acquisition-type". We are considering to split out "types of frequency" to be included in ""acquisition-type", pulling the terms "freshness" (derived from RFC4949 "fresh") in, so we can define "interval" to better refer to YANG push terms, such as "periodic", "on-change", and "dampening". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/40#issuecomment-315742658 ----==_mimepart_596cae8d652b6_73d13f9856419c30890ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Agreed.

On my personal task list is "acquisition-type".

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I am hesitant to favor a wiki page (which can go away or change drasti= cally in its semantic context and therefore is more ephemeral) in contras= t to an I-D, which might expire, but will always be an available immutabl= e resource.

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Thanks, Henk. There is a similar circumstance for Data Source= which is also written in a manner suggesting that the source is a set of= endpoint attributes. Can we add that fix to this issue also?

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At present the definition of Endpoint Attribute begins with: "In the context of SACM, endpoint attributes are information elements..." Information Element is defined as "a representation of information about...objects of interest", and it is pointed out that Information Elements are part of our Information Model (building blocks, in fact). Does this, to anyone else, seem as though we are stating the "Endpoint Attribute" is an "Information Element"?

Concretely, the endpoint attribute "password length" is not actually on the endpoint, but is an information element in our information model with value 14.

Is there a way to define Endpoint Attribute without relying on how we intend to model it?

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----==_mimepart_596cb48e94416_72b33fb625669c3c136513-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 06:07:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75FE131B5C for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.674 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.674 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wpjb0CP0Bbmv for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA47A1318A3 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2u4QYTQq1DcAqEb60VcToL5ljlg=; b=eykFGpXczUgDaIc7 nbbykU4W2KosQUmI3JFStGNz/8da8C4FleHasE5ji+WBemhM88CyjxSywdHG7HUH lEVHrsuT50roivPPnWS7qkjZFe0xLldeSyd08+sfTSnXVD8jiSiK4fCczar0f+1z ftotRSG+2ePUHg1K/ChUyEb2LA8= Received: by filter1133p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1133p1mdw1-9781-596CB63A-83 2017-07-17 13:06:02.804884643 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id O3-tosXGTJOLVVwYI1tLNA for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:06:02.783 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:07:42 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596cb63aa3f74_25713fc8980d3c341264e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H45woNWSkZwb6bWf2UEkeIgPfElH8HzQPHaXwsVtQsuO4jTT9goh5Rm5or rkrecIR++jizDktmeckHhG9415aSvqeyRiv8d4sG//kdtlmFJa3GyBqf63aJuZDohSu55+vflij0rd 6LrVSH75ARxwGWuD9rTIe9zB9sXqgiAB3MyvKPvMQOepdOrOCtqhN/vf/g== Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Please make "Endpoint Characteristic" singular (#43) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:07:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596cb63aa3f74_25713fc8980d3c341264e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The title is self-explanatory, but how exactly is this different from an "attribute"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/43 ----==_mimepart_596cb63aa3f74_25713fc8980d3c341264e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The title is self-explanatory, but how exactly is this different from an "attribute"?

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----==_mimepart_596cb63aa3f74_25713fc8980d3c341264e8-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 06:09:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BD11318A3 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xomNYv0HLPqJ for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67F30131B69 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:09:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=rkPtaOeQzcxr6e/Yd1V6qqO5Zis=; b=srbXhGa6jk/3Tw8M RtF6gBCCzovA+uuj8n8YsDOZT/ygwB4wi7T2C7fOBtr4rD4NT0UDyLx/FGcgqPuc pBHEOXdPw2dOCaeXDi0M/TPZOytBGfv7NtoW39RBIAPW/EQtGoqntp/lIKajX6Od KProcrG0MBvZ7JE9grj92qF9cPY= Received: by filter0970p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0970p1mdw1-4696-596CB6B4-8A 2017-07-17 13:08:04.673361695 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id oKBEBerlTea_-_Pni8gBCQ for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:08:04.426 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:09:10 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596cb6ad3d201_2e9b33fc88fd97c301652e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H/MVrTBMZEit78Jypul0s0BTRpV7v1muXzLW0kHBEIhK6sxp2pfealQHYr Bv8CWEeft60PYqSyNzE1At4BBAoDHx+lPkY2/TLFw/OVjZslw4d44LavI8DwNXepCeUjD8ShWphIOi ktmfVBU1uTVRN3itS7cBs5jIQUio54uo1u07mNXPdFiOiZdnh1AmP/kCBQ== Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Please have "Endpoint Characterization" use "Endpoint Characteristic" in its definition (#44) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:09:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596cb6ad3d201_2e9b33fc88fd97c301652e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The draft presently defines _Endpoint Characterization_ as a composition of _endpoint attributes_, and makes no mention at all of _endpoint characteristic_. Is this intentional? Are _endpoint attributes_ and _endpoint characteristics_ synonymous? If so, can we pick one and stick with it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/44 ----==_mimepart_596cb6ad3d201_2e9b33fc88fd97c301652e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The draft presently defines Endpoint Characterization as a composition of endpoint attributes, and makes no mention at all of endpoint characteristic. Is this intentional? Are endpoint attributes and endpoint characteristics synonymous? If so, can we pick one and stick with it?

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Endpoint Characterization mentions a "profile" of endpoint attributes, and Endpoint Classification states that an "endpoint profile" is a form of declarative guidance used to define a class of endpoints. Do we need to explicitly define either "profile" or "endpoint profile"?

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----==_mimepart_596cb7358e8c4_51973fc8980d3c3416177d-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 06:24:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0291131B87 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qrXKO5S0Y_oX for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DF75131B85 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:23:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1500297838; bh=yooez1STByeh74Z4tJcNRbeRCU6Kecx+6AKeob0rANg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZVJSCQycxgxLpA0ErVw5pckAJbvhblMZ0SyJAcMeqc7dw96cXXUieBDp3A+bGd4Ej 9rP4ChQ617oBq/ujW3S39gIS9dxZTDtpa4k1+nsF8kA+bgMlvF+DyXNji90Qdq88dt MkrLWqLVItJCBHsPz6HGFOvZw3tFLpDaC9RiLL1E= From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596cba6ea37e9_118d3fce4c8a3c34335769"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Revisit "Endpoint Label" (#46) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:24:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596cba6ea37e9_118d3fce4c8a3c34335769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The term _Endpoint Label_ indicates that these are for endpoints, but then describes them as being applied to SACM components as well. I do not believe that a SACM Component is an endpoint, is it? Also, the "endpoint label" seems like an authoritative (in a SACM Domain) identifier. True? If so, then we should state that perhaps more clearly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/46 ----==_mimepart_596cba6ea37e9_118d3fce4c8a3c34335769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The term Endpoint Label indicates that these are for endpoints, but then describes them as being applied to SACM components as well. I do not believe that a SACM Component is an endpoint, is it? Also, the "endpoint label" seems like an authoritative (in a SACM Domain) identifier. True? If so, then we should state that perhaps more clearly.

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the declarative guidance on password length is indeed not an password at= tribute. The actual length of a password (which hopefully cannot be inferre= d for security reasons) would be an endpoint attribute.

Not every Information Element is an Endpoint Attribute.

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This is a good question. They are already very similar. We should check RFC4949 and resolve the question soon. I will have a look at it.

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That is worthwhile, I think.

"Endpoint Profile" is very useful - but we have to point out that it mig= ht refer to more than one target endpoints and more than one "Endpoint Prof= iles" might point to a single target endpoint... depending on the informati= on that can be acquired to compose the "Endpoint Profile". Without a well-k= nown "trusted" (RFC4949) label, there can be this ambiguity in expressivene= ss.

As a reference, "Identity" from RFC4949 allows for this ambiguity.

RFC4949 references the CC protection profile. To be more aligned with CC= we could pull in some reference of "security target" and therefore know wh= at the declarative guidance side is.

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= ----==_mimepart_596cc40cc7111_618c3fe88c5a3c3c1979c4-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 07:16:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC679131BF3 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:16:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.316 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.316 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tP7OyduPkoFt for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F078131BEA for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:16:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lZL2s08MzLwIka3OCWxoYrhWW34=; b=ED3xneRQoS3QcZEf pgemdJ9z5Klqf5oXKjMAOFOzZgSBZpB/06KGT4XW+pghZ6b2BQXkLIZFKoCtiAmZ TYCN9Jb5aMwql7RxKODPxs7k2xXRfJxafhaZKAF/Xxq5oHoxBaV33AXXiolUgVi+ 9ucdE1lspdqbci1V2sX4Mi2YODI= Received: by filter1144p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1144p1mdw1-19399-596CC6D7-2 2017-07-17 14:16:55.022368247 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _gq-xNMQRkCgjl55qPN7AQ for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:16:54.993 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:16:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Henk Birkholz Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596cc4ceed0e5_48633ff09094dc3c157252"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: henkbirkholz X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H1omiGAsJjtgi6gRcadZdGS9sBEQ1ND5hxLjnNu/jQsKdWPK6dIgBAU8ey tIUjrGss5q9pD6gMX010CfVtZUjq0B1VwNzX7+z8Xy1AWp7AAqmpVDlS28DEvZm5N8vyEvVxKPw5iI sALZIaebd00LnRCGzt9OPiBiOIyuoVDVJkusMF7TsgVnqn8/aU9ijyRG7g== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Revisit "Endpoint Label" (#46) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:16:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596cc4ceed0e5_48633ff09094dc3c157252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A SACM component is not a "target endpoint". Both SACM components and target endpoints are typically endpoints (NEA: endpoint, RFC4949: information system or system entity, respectively). A label is intended to refer to an endpoint regardless of its "role" or being a target endpoint. SACM component label and target endpoint label would be taxonomic specializations. In any case, we should state that more clearly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/46#issuecomment-315766465 ----==_mimepart_596cc4ceed0e5_48633ff09094dc3c157252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A SACM component is not a "target endpoint". Both SACM components and ta= rget endpoints are typically endpoints (NEA: endpoint, RFC4949: information= system or system entity, respectively).

A label is intended to refer to an endpoint regardless of its "role" or = being a target endpoint. SACM component label and target endpoint label wou= ld be taxonomic specializations.

In any case, we should state that more clearly.

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Addendum: by default, a SACM component is not a target endpoint= , because it is an excluded endpoint. You can deviate from that default in = a SACM domain via corresponding imperative guidance.

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Henk, a "target endpoint" is an endpoint. How is an "excluded endpoint" not an endpoint?

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An account would be a subject in respect to endpoint attributes, for e= xample. In contrast, a user does not have to be associated with a target = endpoint at all, but be identified, and be a threat to the target endpoin= t, for example.

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Merged #43 into this issue.

Please make "Endpoint Characteristic" singular.

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----==_mimepart_596cc7f5c9ffb_43e83f9c5636dc38611ae-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 07:30:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109B1131BFC for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ANdYwCEO8wD7 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B86F7131B5A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:22:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1500301338; bh=K8/whp9XB9RwgbVk/zz0sdvzcz3yDoZ6czeRERvqzuY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=viZ5ZY65uu38FdSlOpxIPbg7hXrKv6gmBtGQYX5q2BfYn4QxLh8cKkEq56tytxESt Cyg2xm+yrxKtTQKh/k8IHKDDJ4VFEqbz7ekgHrOZ6LyCKXW5OlpnzqxhAGR3QDZ1zs Vzv4DStP5EQh7xuwFEqqRM5BH5J/Ake5ikh81JHA= From: Henk Birkholz Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596cc8189c881_76b73fc7a1a23c3c124566"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: henkbirkholz X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Please make "Endpoint Characteristic" singular (#43) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:29:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596cc8189c881_76b73fc7a1a23c3c124566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged into https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/39. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/43#issuecomment-315770336 ----==_mimepart_596cc8189c881_76b73fc7a1a23c3c124566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Both excluded endpoints and target endpoints are endpoints, of course....

It either is included in continuous monitoring, or not.

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Earlier Asset Management is described as a process concerning asset lifecycles. The present definition for Endpoint Management Capabilities seems to describe the process concerning at least a portion of the endpoint lifecycle. Should we consider renaming this term and/or updating the definition, such that it has a similar structure to that of Asset Management?

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We discussed the term evaluation a lot between authors.

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Both updates seem reasonable to me.

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I don't think I have an objection. If I remember correctly, we originall= y chose "evaluation" because we thought there could be other types of eval= uation, however, I am not sure those are critical at this point.

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I agree "asset management" covers some of this, however, I wonder if we = can just leave the term as-is :) since we spent some time coming up with it= . If we do make any changes, I think I would prefer an update to the defini= tion rather than changing the name of the term.

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= ----==_mimepart_596ce8772c4f5_77bb3fbb8a757c3811186d-- From nobody Mon Jul 17 13:21:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E29126E64 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kGxLklpTS6jF for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD7581250B8 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:20:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1500322857; bh=RwjxA1Zvj57MBGciq4nADfH46CYN9MPa9ov8iu5m1j0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VYKALxrG/LYumZcDi2QChq7/EYMLn6xabspflYMHkKM5VTypmeFUvxNI/uoMC/wBR GmLEgJVOErpqdl4u8M+26Rv3/wwTcK3Nv2E06D5nE97Iw2R7AYxYNNcH4x4iJ2VEmd lWjkQ2GbryBKRzK695R5m8lbbnPmfFeJxTZg2Q+I= From: jarrettlu Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596d1c29d5a48_687d3f9435379c3c13888a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jarrettlu X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Update reference to vulnerability scenario (#38) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:21:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596d1c29d5a48_687d3f9435379c3c13888a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam, I also favor referencing a draft, or an alternate stable document, rather= than a wiki page. What problem do you see and try to address? Jarrett On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Henk Birkholz = wrote: > I am hesitant to favor a wiki page (which can go away or change > drastically in its semantic context and therefore is more ephemeral) in= > contrast to an I-D, which might expire, but will always be an available= > immutable resource. > > What does the group think? > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/38#issuecomm= ent-315871087= ----==_mimepart_596d1c29d5a48_687d3f9435379c3c13888a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam,

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Jarrett


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We decided to go to a wiki. If you want to reference a draft that has, or will eventually, expire that's up to you. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:20 PM jarrettlu wrote: > Hi Adam, > > I also favor referencing a draft, or an alternate stable document, rather > than a wiki page. What problem do you see and try to address? > > Jarrett > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Henk Birkholz > wrote: > > > I am hesitant to favor a wiki page (which can go away or change > > drastically in its semantic context and therefore is more ephemeral) in > > contrast to an I-D, which might expire, but will always be an available > > immutable resource. > > > > What does the group think? > > > > =E2=80=94 > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > < > https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/38#issuecomm= ent-315743936 > >, > > or mute the thread > > < > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AMaunFJLtSxwaxp_qjyZKpU= fCilNTmgtks5sO1YIgaJpZM4OZ0-T > > > > . > > > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you authored the thread. > > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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up to you.
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:20 PM jarrettlu <notifications@github.com>= wrote:

> Hi Adam,
>
> I also favor referencing a draft, or an alternate stable document, rat= her
> than a wiki page. What problem do you see and try to address?
>
> Jarrett
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Henk Birkholz <notifications@githu= b.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am hesitant to favor a wiki page (which can go away or change > > drastically in its semantic context and therefore is more ephemer= al) in
> > contrast to an I-D, which might expire, but will always be an ava= ilable
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> >
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= ----==_mimepart_596d991ee4229_5c53fd6c3aa9c34914b2-- From nobody Tue Jul 18 01:21:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4534A131A87 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:21:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FCUID5dlreMu for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83C481317AD for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:21:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1500366076; bh=nJc5E1DPcryJMz1MDl3PEDHKLqwlZLTuyHA1/FDQReo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lvN66GYqr1oo5AoLK53On9nuOv4iyF79OduxoYcbTKK/mfGiv7Dbj8Gvp5ExhFuaq veH0knUjmbAqDaSi8LdkGrgCRQNB5hc4/vO9u+OUQSfWVQY7Me/U1Y9EDJ+ViPfAmP wsIvYAbrVDWxUS2bK9we3zxyjCAkuKKB4MweKYsc= From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596dc4fc77c85_69bc3ff5b8d25c3842691"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Proposed update to definition for "Evaluation Task" (#48) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:21:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596dc4fc77c85_69bc3ff5b8d25c3842691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been working with the understanding that assessment consists of collection and evaluation. In fact, the definition for assessment says as much. Then, why would collapsing evaluation into assessment help? The evaluation is still looking at an actual (at least an asserted) value and comparing that against an expected value, which is all my proposal suggested - just to be a little more specific in describing what an evaluation is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/48#issuecomment-315993298 ----==_mimepart_596dc4fc77c85_69bc3ff5b8d25c3842691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've been working with the understanding that assessment consists of c= ollection and evaluation. In fact, the definition for assessment says as = much. Then, why would collapsing evaluation into assessment help? The eva= luation is still looking at an actual (at least an asserted) value and co= mparing that against an expected value, which is all my proposal suggeste= d - just to be a little more specific in describing what an evaluation is= .

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I'm not sure I'm happy with this term/definition. The term "event" is well-known and probably basically understood. Also, the definition is narrowly focused on endpoint state change. If we really want "event" to mean endpoint state change, then why not call it a "SACM event" or "state change event", or why even have it defined at all?

Also, I notice that this term appears to describe requirements which are likely not relevant to its definition.

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----==_mimepart_596dc6106c052_37e53fd099d75c2c531f-- From nobody Tue Jul 18 01:31:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045C3131DA6 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n82hZbi3h0up for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51729120227 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:31:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ciI4QVOXxyDKK+IJ1R7D2dhTdrc=; b=ccdt2vS2cCtm7kcS ZxzescyyNfZJOalVnm2B4AGmzzq8MOCig9vXDMC9bSp6IyLPvwVhNj43g0n3+wBD +dsruvsqZXLRPmik/vRiLwCtWgyiMC30BAqs49/WjjtYgN0R4cneEQU2Fc73ZgLO dUQmtQUt6yK2ynQjMT4BG9bp9+k= Received: by filter0537p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0537p1mdw1-27431-596DC733-13 2017-07-18 08:30:43.146175696 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mrAAD3gaT0CVFU2uun5jSA for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:30:43.146 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:30:43 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596dc733e520_53223f8cec91fc2c50955"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H20dZHw7GyWqUPpopC/6DdKJaDy45zprqS71Lr3oH3VzeBntCfkedIQVm9 wefnVgB87gl3bohYSelQkEaxp6fzPTEY6oQqslLHe1z5WzUq6GSAZl+G4TIu8Bm70GGRLo6WMwxfjm QAuxAbFV2yag3g60wE+3Zqo9/7DDyWWgCct9Wh1We50Xm8/Cb7ObJN7n3aL8AKuqWlqiC4roYH7mEe g= Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Definition for "Excluded Endpoint" (#50) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:31:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596dc733e520_53223f8cec91fc2c50955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beyond wondering whether it is necessary to define "excluded endpoint", I find the following sentence problematic: ```Typically but not necessarily, endpoints that contain a SACM component (and are therefore part of the SACM domain) are designated as excluded endpoints.``` If we apply some concreteness to this, we might presume that a SACM component is an agent installed on an endpoint, which is a target, and another SACM component may be the data repository where collected information and evaluation results are stored. The endpoint upon which the agent resides is certainly a target endpoint. The device running the data repository is almost certainly an endpoint and thus likely subject to the same enterprise policies as any other endpoint, thereby, at one point or another, becoming a target endpoint. There's something I'm missing in that statement, or the statement is wrong. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/50 ----==_mimepart_596dc733e520_53223f8cec91fc2c50955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Beyond wondering whether it is necessary to define "excluded endpoint", I find the following sentence problematic: Typically but not necessarily, endpoints that contain a SACM component (and are therefore part of the SACM domain) are designated as excluded endpoints. If we apply some concreteness to this, we might presume that a SACM component is an agent installed on an endpoint, which is a target, and another SACM component may be the data repository where collected information and evaluation results are stored. The endpoint upon which the agent resides is certainly a target endpoint. The device running the data repository is almost certainly an endpoint and thus likely subject to the same enterprise policies as any other endpoint, thereby, at one point or another, becoming a target endpoint. There's something I'm missing in that statement, or the statement is wrong.

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Actually, the last sentence also seems to say something contradictory to= a previous one: Target endpoints that contain a SACM component canno= t be designated as excluded endpoints and are part of the SACM domain. So, the previously highlighted sentence says that endpoints containing S= ACM components "are designated as excluded endpoints", but this one says th= ey "cannot be designated as excluded endpoints". That's confusing.

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The state of a given endpoint is really the state of it's set of its attributes. So, it seems that either this term needs to change to fit the definition or the definition should be updated to fit the term.

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It feels like most of the text after the first sentence of this definition could be safely removed from the terminology draft. How expected endpoint states are transported and/or represented seems irrelevant to the definition of what an expected endpoint state is.

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----==_mimepart_596dc8c083c08_73763fa614fe9c38199299-- From nobody Tue Jul 18 01:42:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372B7131950 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZfuIIwoatDyD for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A486712009C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:42:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=8MUXhhh3GAGRjVnzBUJhplsrzbQ=; b=SLah2uh8yneSgek9 2fER9qYpeGj8VYFXJytuT2Z/YxxC8QVuzadEvsWHPhStLkVV9TulKdTf7E5Z/MjX blotRbwE2RHDpDS2yC4V/hV7z004YLHAWM2H6DfPVywrAWIQeO+5TDfavnjdFHIz yW9BIWtUbHLC1OvuKjUIC7/Lp2U= Received: by filter0663p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0663p1mdw1-16283-596DC9FF-E 2017-07-18 08:42:39.422340737 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qv2E3o0JR9KAvfXIiQhn0Q for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:42:39.365 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:42:39 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_596dc9ff4715c_dfb73ff5b8d25c38179971"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H8gCIRJQFjv0SMTVT9zvGc/66e4c0MO/J0EBTTF1uwwoq4oQk2L3se+r76 EATZmk4PZVmIG5VZAKmjmitsKoZbpteJTW739KkOW5ZJvcj0R+Up5JfU/YHYuHYzoIi4PQ0TmGBGho ETx7QPcHBmmkOQqXreJU8PAaxns6Z4wEaV3ejlHcR00f6uwkTGF8zWmwcQ== Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Thoughts on "SACM Function" (#53) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:42:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_596dc9ff4715c_dfb73ff5b8d25c38179971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm struggling with this term because by my read it's attempting to narrow a common definition of "function" (in computer science terms) to something that reads more like the description of "capability". A "capability" is the extent of something's ability, and, for example, the following reads more like the description of a capability than a function: `For example, a SACM function with interfaces on the control plane can provide a brokering function to other SACM components.` Would we be better off striking this term and relying on "capability" instead? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/53 ----==_mimepart_596dc9ff4715c_dfb73ff5b8d25c38179971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm struggling with this term because by my read it's attempting to narrow a common definition of "function" (in computer science terms) to something that reads more like the description of "capability". A "capability" is the extent of something's ability, and, for example, the following reads more like the description of a capability than a function: For example, a SACM function with interfaces on the control plane can provide a brokering function to other SACM components.

Would we be better off striking this term and relying on "capability" instead?

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Here, again, we seem to be applying a domain-specific definition to a generically understood term. I would prefer we didn't do that. Beyond that, I think the definition can be cleaned up a bit to something more like: Input directing SACM processes and tasks.

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A lot of the text in "Guidance" beyond the first sentence (i.e. the actual definition) can be safely removed.

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Is there a compelling reason to define this term? If there is, why should we do anything more than the first sentence?

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The term "hardware inventory" probably has distinct meaning to readers by default, and I feel that many security practitioners would, quite reasonably, read "hardware inventory" as the set of hardware being managed by or affecting their enterprise; but, the definition clearly states that this term should be strictly limited to the set of hardware components comprising an endpoint. In other words, the term likely has a more general meaning than its definition intends. Then, it seems that we could fix this by changing the label of the term to reflect its narrow definition.

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----==_mimepart_596dcd23941a3_7e153fa614fe9c3812896a-- From nobody Tue Jul 18 02:15:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBE6131945 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LCa7q3jpl7U8 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD1CC131B0B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v6I9FJii019426 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:15:19 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6I9FJYW029155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:15:19 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6I9FJi8017595 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:15:19 GMT Received: from dhcp-9f13.meeting.ietf.org (/31.133.159.19) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:15:18 -0700 To: sacm@ietf.org References: From: Jarrett Lu Message-ID: <596DD1A4.506@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:15:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010804040707020607060109" X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Remove superfluous text in "Guidance" (#55) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:15:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010804040707020607060109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 7/18/17 1:47 AM, adammontville wrote: > > A lot of the text in "Guidance" beyond the first sentence (i.e. the > actual definition) can be safely removed. > While I agree that a number of terms can be made more concise, I believe it's still a good idea to retain "declarative guidance" and "imperative guidance" terms in this case. Regards. Jarrett > — > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , or > mute the thread > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --------------010804040707020607060109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 7/18/17 1:47 AM, adammontville wrote:

A lot of the text in "Guidance" beyond the first sentence (i.e. the actual definition) can be safely removed.


While I agree that a number of terms can be made more concise, I believe it's still a good idea to retain "declarative guidance" and "imperative guidance" terms in this case.

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I think your updated text for "evaluation task" would be a good improvement.

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We're going to need a couple of volunteers for this morning's meeting. Is anyone interested?

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--94eb2c08ee2a2454bb0554b89245-- From nobody Thu Jul 20 00:43:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA24126B72 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 00:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZL1NX1T-9Nfn for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 00:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.72.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5945126557 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 00:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (mail.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.84.171]) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id v6K7hmpq020429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:43:50 +0200 Received: from [31.133.128.168] (31.133.128.168) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:43:43 +0200 References: <150053262099.24245.13668968448364427916.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "" From: Henk Birkholz X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <150053262099.24245.13668968448364427916.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <9486c9cc-d707-f667-7c03-9cf83df11ae0@sit.fraunhofer.de> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:43:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150053262099.24245.13668968448364427916.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------10BBA4A97D75E53F2DBF385C" Content-Language: en-US X-Originating-IP: [31.133.128.168] Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content-00.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:43:54 -0000 --------------10BBA4A97D75E53F2DBF385C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello list, this is a friendly FYI :) Please let me start with: the content of this draft was a bit rushed. It is intended to give a little more insight into the SACM Hackathon activities with respect to YANG push / subscribed invents and the experimental SACM data model used to broker corresponding NETCONF XML results inside a SACM Domain. Viele Grüße, Henk --------------10BBA4A97D75E53F2DBF385C Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="New Version Notification for draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content-00_txt.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*0="New Version Notification for draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-conten"; filename*1="t-00_txt.eml" Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.72.89) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:37:05 +0200 Received: from mail-mtaka26.fraunhofer.de (mail-mtaka26.fraunhofer.de [153.96.1.26]) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id v6K6b3Ga018958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:37:04 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.40,382,1496095200"; d="scan'208";a="252997142" Received: from iron01.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.54]) by mail-mtaka26.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 20 Jul 2017 08:37:03 +0200 Authentication-Results: iron01.fraunhofer.de; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none Received-SPF: Pass (iron01.fraunhofer.de: domain of internet-drafts@ietf.org designates 4.31.198.44 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=4.31.198.44; receiver=iron01.fraunhofer.de; envelope-from="internet-drafts@ietf.org"; x-sender="internet-drafts@ietf.org"; x-conformance=spf_only; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (iron01.fraunhofer.de: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail.ietf.org) identity=helo; client-ip=4.31.198.44; receiver=iron01.fraunhofer.de; envelope-from="internet-drafts@ietf.org"; x-sender="postmaster@mail.ietf.org"; x-conformance=spf_only X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0EsAQCMTnBZgCzGHwRbGgEBAQECAQEBAQgBAQEBgxGBLYEUjn6QUpgrDCENgV6DO4NqVwECAQEBAQECAxABAQkNCQgmMYJlRiwBAQEBAQEmAQEBAQEBIwI+NAIgVBEmAiYCAgNEFgEJDoorAgILsEyCJoshAQEBAQYBAQEBASOBC4IdhS42gm6FB4J2gmEFkFeBDI1Wh0uMToIMV4R4g0+HBpVcgWKBAieHYFYBiR8BAQE X-IPAS-Result: A0EsAQCMTnBZgCzGHwRbGgEBAQECAQEBAQgBAQEBgxGBLYEUjn6QUpgrDCENgV6DO4NqVwECAQEBAQECAxABAQkNCQgmMYJlRiwBAQEBAQEmAQEBAQEBIwI+NAIgVBEmAiYCAgNEFgEJDoorAgILsEyCJoshAQEBAQYBAQEBASOBC4IdhS42gm6FB4J2gmEFkFeBDI1Wh0uMToIMV4R4g0+HBpVcgWKBAieHYFYBiR8BAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.40,382,1496095200"; d="scan'208";a="98354498" X-IronPort-Outbreak-Status: No, level 0, Unknown - Unknown Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by iron01.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 20 Jul 2017 08:37:02 +0200 Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0080E129B34; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 23:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: To: Nancy Cam-Winget , Henk Birkholz Subject: New Version Notification for draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content-00.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.57.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150053262099.24245.13668968448364427916.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 23:37:00 -0700 Return-Path: internet-drafts@ietf.org X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: EXCH2010CAS2.sit.fraunhofer.de X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous MIME-Version: 1.0 A new version of I-D, draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Henk Birkholz and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content Revision: 00 Title: YANG subscribed notifications via SACM Statements Document date: 2017-07-19 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 28 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-birkholz-sacm-yang-content-00 Abstract: This document summarizes the data model designed at the IETF 99 Hackathon and is intended to grow in to a definition of general XML SACM statements (and later JSON and CBOR, respectively) for virtually every kind of Content Element (e.g. software identifiers, assessment guidance/results, ECA Policy rules, VDD, etc.). The SACM Statement data structure is based on the Information Element (IE) definitions provided by the SACM Information Model. The initial Content Element type transferred are YANG Subscribed Notification acquired via YANG push. In combination with the Origin Metadata Annotation defined in draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores the data model defined in this document will ultimately be able to express collected endpoint characteristics, imperative guidance that define and orchestrate assessment instructions, and also the declarative guidance for endpoint attributes. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------10BBA4A97D75E53F2DBF385C-- From nobody Thu Jul 20 01:45:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235F2129B40; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TjHkEm_CfPVB; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x234.google.com (mail-pg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADDCF126B72; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x234.google.com with SMTP id k14so11992648pgr.0; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7vDlgbLVxysfW6vfUjqobrspIL0LWwQnpIsVXSFMsUk=; b=i+X3aIGxVp0b/D7mgeshpO9HJu+ZS8ofNjaBjeqColqBFW8aXC+VSjXAMZoQOVaEYB l0RkEQ3piJ1zHUKuzVBZVMhUtlCDLyysCe7GxKpxLPx/sXDSL6aMqIOTYu0CEG860Npt 3DK/sR2Mwot8uxZVrJGJBdg7v9kii3eZLpoyyEOaWB6JGk7e8s/iJuQkC0GR0U2+CEUY 8QLZOypy78je1jxyd/gA6+AOBI+JX3pEfny6K0lBP5WlKPw9mDFPDV6NEcqRz4R5Rosa e/xbouOrh9OVWrwu2EaVV0TGqbZHLQuuFi7vRnsZs4RyXbFKkYo4ZacS0DEvoV/Phnmn ZkJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7vDlgbLVxysfW6vfUjqobrspIL0LWwQnpIsVXSFMsUk=; b=uhv+D21BhqZ+rAsiQ/KWgfPBiquhWtIcTmOmq5jw71dy4yoN1GbDD+RTHm1VKZrldY WAxiS368dm9T9HXxqUTpIY2TUVofS3BBpzUnj/zmrGnBvMbUWs8YNUFi1+jxj3v4S5Ds ua9Kslo2lfgLvkiZoRzguJzmEyLdJs2VYL4l8YO8CXdeVmEdgu9o+Yu5vpdp923B/KJD 7ZKdrufxjk4w4Rc+Hc1QSvjyKJVnoYAgui8U9yxYtJUoq73VxxnCf7c825/+njdF5JAx G/Gm1O4M5DY4gMeN9LySWKoOmOfJeHlxQyhtIj47DOO4vwZSEYyK8kqUDxGEzevDnt5R JExw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1115UyCxx5u8BJfpwMTLuufhdQU6y3FSj6NDF/DOtRptwyJ/qgU4 DbRioDVhC+vjjGvRJB3TaU1r/NYMIg== X-Received: by 10.98.138.204 with SMTP id o73mr3126170pfk.5.1500540343200; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.180.193 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:45:02 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" Cc: Ben Campbell , The IESG , "sacm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org" , "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:45:45 -0000 Hi Ben, Could you take a look through the response and updated draft to help guide the editors/WG toward resolving your concerns? Thank you, Kathleen On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: > Thanks for resending Ben! Some comments and responses below: > > On 6/26/17, 8:37 AM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > (Resending because I forgot to hit the "send email" button this first= time. No > other change.) > > The SACM charter requires the group to " whenever reasonable and poss= ible, > reuse existing protocols, mechanisms, information and data models. " = If that is > reflected anywhere in the requirements, I missed it. (which is possib= le.) In > particular, I think section 2.6 needs to include requirements to favo= r use of > existing "transfer protocols". (As written, T-001 seems almost tailo= red to > counter arguments to "just use HTTP".) > [NCW] =E2=80=9CWhenever reasonable and possible=E2=80=9D imho is subjecti= ve, while we discussed > existing data models and protocols such as OVAL, IF-MAP, IODEF, YANG, > etc. The group concluded that it was best to include the phrase rather t= han call > out the ones raised in the group as new ones have arisen (e.g. leveraging= SWID > and I think there is one to potentially use ROLIE). > > There was also inconsistancies and ambiguities to the use of =E2=80=9Ctra= nsfer=E2=80=9D vs =E2=80=9Ctransport=E2=80=9D > In the requirements draft, for which the intent is to define =E2=80=9Ctra= nsfer protocols=E2=80=9D > Potentially reusing existing ones. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > General: > > - I agree with the other abstain positions that the content in this d= raft > doesn't seem to warrant publication as an RFC. I'm not going to absta= in over > it, since I think that sort of discussion should occur at charter or = milestone > adoption time. > > - I don't think the contents of this draft warrant the use of 2119 ke= ywords. > While I think it reasonable to sometimes use 2119 keywords to add pre= cision and > clarity to requirements on standards work, many of the requirements i= n this > draft seem vague and hand-wavy. All-caps MUSTs and SHOULDs only serve= to give > the appearance of precision and verifiability. I mention a few more g= laring > instances in my detailed comments, but those are not exhaustive. > [NCW] Noted. As a requirements draft, 2119 is not applicable and I=E2=80= =99ve made updates > to address that (e.g. the intent behind the use of MUST as a requirement = vs. SHOULD > as a recommended feature/capability). > > Specifics: > > - 1.1, 2nd paragraph: If you stick with using normative keywords, but= want to > disclaim lower case versions, please consider switching to the boiler= plate from > RFC 8174. > [NCW] Clarifying language usage that is not 2119 should help. > > - 2.1 (and rest of document): I assume the requirements numbering sch= eme means > something. It would be helpful to describe that scheme prior to use. > [NCW] Good suggestions. Yes, the numbering is meant to be used by the upc= oming proposals to use > as describing how each of the proposals meet (or not) the specific requir= ements enumerated > in the draft. I will add such a note in the draft. > > - g-001: "SACM MUST allow > implementations to use their own extensions; either proprietary d= ata > models, protocols or extensions to SACM data models or protocols > could be used though they are not considered to be SACM compliant= ." > > That seems to say that SACM must allow extensions, but those extensio= ns would > not be considered compliant. That seems like a contradiction. As word= ed with > the MUST, it seems like it says SACM cannot prevent implementations f= rom doing > non-interoperable things. > [NCW] I would expect proprietary extensions to not be interoperable, but > the SACM elements to be compliant (I think this is true, for example of R= ADIUS > and the RADIUS defined AVPs enabling interop between implementations vs p= roprietary ones). > > > - G-002: This is the whole point of IETF processes. It seems odd to s= tate it as > a requirement. > [NCW] The WG agreed to its inclusions=E2=80=A6 > > - g-003: It seems like you are using "datagram" in an unconventional = way. A > definition would help. > [NCW] I=E2=80=99ve changed =E2=80=9Cdatagram=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cmessage= =E2=80=9D per Eric=E2=80=99s suggestion. > > - g-004: "...MUST be suitably specified..." is vague and unverifiable= . > [NCW] Can you provide an alternate suggestion? It is meant to leave room > to allow for different implementations to describe their flexibility or s= uitability > in different deployments so I can see the conclusion that it is vague. > > - G-005: "For interoperability and > scope boundary," > I don't understand what "scope boundary" means in that clause. > [NCW] It is meant =E2=80=9Cwithin the SACM scope=E2=80=9D. > > - G-006: Is this a requirement for e2e protection? It seems like it i= s, but the > description is vague. In particular, I cannot tell if the mention of > middleboxes is to say that middleboxes should not be able to read or = modify > traffic, or if it is to say that middleboxes may be part of the archi= tecture > and actually need that sort of access. (Also, the requirement title s= ays > "integrity", but the text seems to be about both integrity and confid= entiality.) > [NCW] It is somewhat open as some mechanisms would rely on the underlying > transport (or transfer) security=E2=80=A6.and you are right, as it is bot= h integrity and > confidentiality, I will change the requirement to be =E2=80=9CData Protec= tion:. > > - G-015: "... accommodate considerations such as geographic, > regulatory, operational and federations..." seems vague for use w= ith a MUST. > [NCW] The MUST goes to enabling different attributes to drive access con= trol, > the exemplar list is only meant to be a short list and not hard requireme= nts but > rather that the access control consider multiple attributes. > > - ARCH-004: "The fact that a centralized or > decentralized deployment is used SHOULD be invisible to a consume= r." > Can you elaborate on why? Might not a consumer want to consider the n= ature of a > data source? > [NCW] Yes, which is why it is a SHOULD=E2=80=A6.that is a consumer may no= t care or, to your > point, want to know the nature of the data source (and provenance). > > - 2.6: The section switches between saying "transport protocols" and = "transfer > protocols" Please be consistent. > [NCW] Thanks, yes=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99ve made the global update to =E2=80= =9Ctransfer=E2=80=9D vs =E2=80=9Ctransport=E2=80=9D > > - T-001: I think this needs some elaboration, or a citation to elabor= ation > somewhere else. Otherwise, it seems like this assertion opens the doo= r for a > lot of complexity and lack of interoperability. > [NCW] I=E2=80=99ve added an example with citations of where multiple tran= sports may be applicable > when using NEA. > > > > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Jul 20 04:54:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A8E131B05; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.881 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aqku3RoB9oCq; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25D63131C16; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 04:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-890b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-890b.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.137.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v6KBrbL3081504 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:53:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 13:53:37 +0200 Cc: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , The IESG , "sacm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org" , "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <290AD327-90F6-4F28-8F78-323610BBBAEB@nostrum.com> References: <149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Kathleen Moriarty X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:54:01 -0000 I will take a look, Thanks! Ben. > On Jul 20, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Kathleen Moriarty = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ben, >=20 > Could you take a look through the response and updated draft to help > guide the editors/WG toward resolving your concerns? >=20 > Thank you, > Kathleen >=20 > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) > wrote: >> Thanks for resending Ben! Some comments and responses below: >>=20 >> On 6/26/17, 8:37 AM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> (Resending because I forgot to hit the "send email" button this = first time. No >> other change.) >>=20 >> The SACM charter requires the group to " whenever reasonable and = possible, >> reuse existing protocols, mechanisms, information and data models. = " If that is >> reflected anywhere in the requirements, I missed it. (which is = possible.) In >> particular, I think section 2.6 needs to include requirements to = favor use of >> existing "transfer protocols". (As written, T-001 seems almost = tailored to >> counter arguments to "just use HTTP".) >> [NCW] =E2=80=9CWhenever reasonable and possible=E2=80=9D imho is = subjective, while we discussed >> existing data models and protocols such as OVAL, IF-MAP, IODEF, YANG, >> etc. The group concluded that it was best to include the phrase = rather than call >> out the ones raised in the group as new ones have arisen (e.g. = leveraging SWID >> and I think there is one to potentially use ROLIE). >>=20 >> There was also inconsistancies and ambiguities to the use of = =E2=80=9Ctransfer=E2=80=9D vs =E2=80=9Ctransport=E2=80=9D >> In the requirements draft, for which the intent is to define = =E2=80=9Ctransfer protocols=E2=80=9D >> Potentially reusing existing ones. >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> General: >>=20 >> - I agree with the other abstain positions that the content in = this draft >> doesn't seem to warrant publication as an RFC. I'm not going to = abstain over >> it, since I think that sort of discussion should occur at charter = or milestone >> adoption time. >>=20 >> - I don't think the contents of this draft warrant the use of 2119 = keywords. >> While I think it reasonable to sometimes use 2119 keywords to add = precision and >> clarity to requirements on standards work, many of the = requirements in this >> draft seem vague and hand-wavy. All-caps MUSTs and SHOULDs only = serve to give >> the appearance of precision and verifiability. I mention a few = more glaring >> instances in my detailed comments, but those are not exhaustive. >> [NCW] Noted. As a requirements draft, 2119 is not applicable and = I=E2=80=99ve made updates >> to address that (e.g. the intent behind the use of MUST as a = requirement vs. SHOULD >> as a recommended feature/capability). >>=20 >> Specifics: >>=20 >> - 1.1, 2nd paragraph: If you stick with using normative keywords, = but want to >> disclaim lower case versions, please consider switching to the = boilerplate from >> RFC 8174. >> [NCW] Clarifying language usage that is not 2119 should help. >>=20 >> - 2.1 (and rest of document): I assume the requirements numbering = scheme means >> something. It would be helpful to describe that scheme prior to = use. >> [NCW] Good suggestions. Yes, the numbering is meant to be used by the = upcoming proposals to use >> as describing how each of the proposals meet (or not) the specific = requirements enumerated >> in the draft. I will add such a note in the draft. >>=20 >> - g-001: "SACM MUST allow >> implementations to use their own extensions; either = proprietary data >> models, protocols or extensions to SACM data models or = protocols >> could be used though they are not considered to be SACM = compliant." >>=20 >> That seems to say that SACM must allow extensions, but those = extensions would >> not be considered compliant. That seems like a contradiction. As = worded with >> the MUST, it seems like it says SACM cannot prevent = implementations from doing >> non-interoperable things. >> [NCW] I would expect proprietary extensions to not be interoperable, = but >> the SACM elements to be compliant (I think this is true, for example = of RADIUS >> and the RADIUS defined AVPs enabling interop between implementations = vs proprietary ones). >>=20 >>=20 >> - G-002: This is the whole point of IETF processes. It seems odd = to state it as >> a requirement. >> [NCW] The WG agreed to its inclusions=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> - g-003: It seems like you are using "datagram" in an = unconventional way. A >> definition would help. >> [NCW] I=E2=80=99ve changed =E2=80=9Cdatagram=E2=80=9D to = =E2=80=9Cmessage=E2=80=9D per Eric=E2=80=99s suggestion. >>=20 >> - g-004: "...MUST be suitably specified..." is vague and = unverifiable. >> [NCW] Can you provide an alternate suggestion? It is meant to leave = room >> to allow for different implementations to describe their flexibility = or suitability >> in different deployments so I can see the conclusion that it is = vague. >>=20 >> - G-005: "For interoperability and >> scope boundary," >> I don't understand what "scope boundary" means in that clause. >> [NCW] It is meant =E2=80=9Cwithin the SACM scope=E2=80=9D. >>=20 >> - G-006: Is this a requirement for e2e protection? It seems like = it is, but the >> description is vague. In particular, I cannot tell if the mention = of >> middleboxes is to say that middleboxes should not be able to read = or modify >> traffic, or if it is to say that middleboxes may be part of the = architecture >> and actually need that sort of access. (Also, the requirement = title says >> "integrity", but the text seems to be about both integrity and = confidentiality.) >> [NCW] It is somewhat open as some mechanisms would rely on the = underlying >> transport (or transfer) security=E2=80=A6.and you are right, as it is = both integrity and >> confidentiality, I will change the requirement to be =E2=80=9CData = Protection:. >>=20 >> - G-015: "... accommodate considerations such as geographic, >> regulatory, operational and federations..." seems vague for = use with a MUST. >> [NCW] The MUST goes to enabling different attributes to drive access = control, >> the exemplar list is only meant to be a short list and not hard = requirements but >> rather that the access control consider multiple attributes. >>=20 >> - ARCH-004: "The fact that a centralized or >> decentralized deployment is used SHOULD be invisible to a = consumer." >> Can you elaborate on why? Might not a consumer want to consider = the nature of a >> data source? >> [NCW] Yes, which is why it is a SHOULD=E2=80=A6.that is a consumer = may not care or, to your >> point, want to know the nature of the data source (and provenance). >>=20 >> - 2.6: The section switches between saying "transport protocols" = and "transfer >> protocols" Please be consistent. >> [NCW] Thanks, yes=E2=80=A6.I=E2=80=99ve made the global update to = =E2=80=9Ctransfer=E2=80=9D vs =E2=80=9Ctransport=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> - T-001: I think this needs some elaboration, or a citation to = elaboration >> somewhere else. Otherwise, it seems like this assertion opens the = door for a >> lot of complexity and lack of interoperability. >> [NCW] I=E2=80=99ve added an example with citations of where multiple = transports may be applicable >> when using NEA. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Kathleen From nobody Fri Jul 21 00:59:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C3B12EB2B; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:59:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQDrsNYBJZ2I; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08F15129B34; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-890b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-890b.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.137.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v6L7xgDP075150 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Jul 2017 02:59:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:59:41 +0200 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org" , "Karen O'Donoghue" , "sacm-chairs@ietf.org" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:59:52 -0000 Hi, thanks for the response. Comments inline. I removed text that = doesn=E2=80=99t seem to need further discussion. Ben. > On Jun 27, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) = wrote: >=20 > Thanks for resending Ben! Some comments and responses below: >=20 > On 6/26/17, 8:37 AM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > (Resending because I forgot to hit the "send email" button this = first time. No > other change.) >=20 > The SACM charter requires the group to " whenever reasonable and = possible, > reuse existing protocols, mechanisms, information and data models. = " If that is > reflected anywhere in the requirements, I missed it. (which is = possible.) In > particular, I think section 2.6 needs to include requirements to = favor use of > existing "transfer protocols". (As written, T-001 seems almost = tailored to > counter arguments to "just use HTTP".) > [NCW] =E2=80=9CWhenever reasonable and possible=E2=80=9D imho is = subjective, while we discussed=20 > existing data models and protocols such as OVAL, IF-MAP, IODEF, YANG, > etc. The group concluded that it was best to include the phrase = rather than call > out the ones raised in the group as new ones have arisen (e.g. = leveraging SWID > and I think there is one to potentially use ROLIE). >=20 I=E2=80=99m not sure I understand your response, and I see that version = 17 did not add anything to the requirement language. Do you argue that = there are no need for requirements to prefer existing mechanisms? I = don=E2=80=99t expect a requirement to reuse any particular mechanism by = name, but I think these requirements are incomplete without some = explicit bias towards existing technologies. Or you do you mean to argue that the analysis of potential existing = technologies has already been completed? [=E2=80=A6] > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > = =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80= =94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94 >=20 [=E2=80=A6] >=20 > - g-001: "SACM MUST allow > implementations to use their own extensions; either proprietary = data > models, protocols or extensions to SACM data models or = protocols > could be used though they are not considered to be SACM = compliant." >=20 > That seems to say that SACM must allow extensions, but those = extensions would > not be considered compliant. That seems like a contradiction. As = worded with > the MUST, it seems like it says SACM cannot prevent implementations = from doing > non-interoperable things. > [NCW] I would expect proprietary extensions to not be interoperable, = but > the SACM elements to be compliant (I think this is true, for example = of RADIUS > and the RADIUS defined AVPs enabling interop between implementations = vs proprietary ones). >=20 So this is probably pedantic, but I=E2=80=99m still confused when you = say that something is must be allowed but is not compliant. That seems = like a contradiction. [=E2=80=A6] > - g-004: "...MUST be suitably specified..." is vague and = unverifiable. > [NCW] Can you provide an alternate suggestion? It is meant to leave = room > to allow for different implementations to describe their flexibility = or suitability > in different deployments so I can see the conclusion that it is vague. I suggest dropping the MUST, since there=E2=80=99s really no real way of = determining the requirement has been met. [=E2=80=A6] > - G-006: Is this a requirement for e2e protection? It seems like it = is, but the > description is vague. In particular, I cannot tell if the mention = of > middleboxes is to say that middleboxes should not be able to read = or modify > traffic, or if it is to say that middleboxes may be part of the = architecture > and actually need that sort of access. (Also, the requirement title = says > "integrity", but the text seems to be about both integrity and = confidentiality.) > [NCW] It is somewhat open as some mechanisms would rely on the = underlying > transport (or transfer) security=E2=80=A6.and you are right, as it is = both integrity and > confidentiality, I will change the requirement to be =E2=80=9CData = Protection:. That doesn=E2=80=99t address my question. Specifically, this requirement = says that data must be protected =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6 through = middleboxes=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D. Are those middleboxes expected to be able = to read or modify the data, or is the protection intended to ensure that = they cannot? >=20 > - G-015: "... accommodate considerations such as geographic, > regulatory, operational and federations..." seems vague for use = with a MUST. > [NCW] The MUST goes to enabling different attributes to drive access = control, > the exemplar list is only meant to be a short list and not hard = requirements but > rather that the access control consider multiple attributes. I have trouble understanding the meaning of the first MUST, since = nothing really defines the =E2=80=9Cconsiderations=E2=80=9D except for = the example list. I suggest dropping that MUST and treating the first = sentence as explanatory. (I have no objection to the 2nd MUST.) >=20 > - ARCH-004: "The fact that a centralized or > decentralized deployment is used SHOULD be invisible to a = consumer." > Can you elaborate on why? Might not a consumer want to consider the = nature of a > data source? > [NCW] Yes, which is why it is a SHOULD=E2=80=A6.that is a consumer may = not care or, to your > point, want to know the nature of the data source (and provenance). I suggest a sentence or two to that effect. [=E2=80=A6] New (non-blocking) Comment: You=E2=80=99ve added a MUST in the first = paragraph of 2.2. That seems more like a statement of fact than a = requirement. If you intend it as a requirement, it might make sense to = add a numbered requirement for it. 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<149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <644C5859-6C9B-49A2-858A-43242777FD8D@cisco.com> To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 22:50:47 -0000 Thank; see inline. As before, I=E2=80=99ve deleted sections that do not = seem to need further discussion. > On Jul 24, 2017, at 4:53 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ben, > See my hopefully more clear responses below=E2=80=A6also, please let = me know if you are amenable to the suggested updates so that I can do = another revision (would rather wait in case you suggest more = changes=E2=80=A6.) -Thanks=09 >=20 > On 7/21/17, 12:59 AM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: >=20 > Hi, thanks for the response. Comments inline. I removed text that = doesn=E2=80=99t seem to need further discussion. >=20 > Ben. >=20 >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) = wrote: >>=20 >> Thanks for resending Ben! Some comments and responses below: >>=20 >> On 6/26/17, 8:37 AM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> (Resending because I forgot to hit the "send email" button this = first time. No >> other change.) >>=20 >> The SACM charter requires the group to " whenever reasonable and = possible, >> reuse existing protocols, mechanisms, information and data models. = " If that is >> reflected anywhere in the requirements, I missed it. (which is = possible.) In >> particular, I think section 2.6 needs to include requirements to = favor use of >> existing "transfer protocols". (As written, T-001 seems almost = tailored to >> counter arguments to "just use HTTP".) >> [NCW] =E2=80=9CWhenever reasonable and possible=E2=80=9D imho is = subjective, while we discussed=20 >> existing data models and protocols such as OVAL, IF-MAP, IODEF, YANG, >> etc. The group concluded that it was best to include the phrase = rather than call >> out the ones raised in the group as new ones have arisen (e.g. = leveraging SWID >> and I think there is one to potentially use ROLIE). >>=20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99m not sure I understand your response, and I see that = version 17 did not add anything to the requirement language. Do you = argue that there are no need for requirements to prefer existing = mechanisms? I don=E2=80=99t expect a requirement to reuse any particular = mechanism by name, but I think these requirements are incomplete without = some explicit bias towards existing technologies. >=20 > Or you do you mean to argue that the analysis of potential existing = technologies has already been completed? > [NCW] My response was to suggest that no change was needed as the = group could not agree to a =E2=80=9Cpreferred list=E2=80=9D but rather, = not cite any in the requirements so as not to preclude other standards. = Also, to your last point, the analysis has not really been completed. = SACM is also in the process of updating its charter and in the new = charter, the work defined is going to be more prescriptive to the = technologies that will be sought. > At this point, I don=E2=80=99t think it makes sense to call out = preferred mechanisms in the requirements draft as the group is already = evaluating applicability of existing ones to consider (some of which = were not mentioned at the time the requirements document was evolving = and other new ones being developed in other groups @IETF can be = candidates). I think we are talking past each other. I am not asking for this = document to call out specific technologies. I am asking for it to = contain a requirement to prefer existing IETF technologies over creating = new mechanisms from scratch. It doesn=E2=80=99t need to enumerate = =E2=80=9Cpreferred=E2=80=9D technologies to do that, and such a = requirement should still allow the working group to create new = mechanisms if no existing mechanism can fulfill the requirements. >=20 > [=E2=80=A6] >=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80= =94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94 >>=20 >=20 > [=E2=80=A6] >>=20 >> - g-001: "SACM MUST allow >> implementations to use their own extensions; either proprietary = data >> models, protocols or extensions to SACM data models or = protocols >> could be used though they are not considered to be SACM = compliant." >>=20 >> That seems to say that SACM must allow extensions, but those = extensions would >> not be considered compliant. That seems like a contradiction. As = worded with >> the MUST, it seems like it says SACM cannot prevent implementations = from doing >> non-interoperable things. >> [NCW] I would expect proprietary extensions to not be interoperable, = but >> the SACM elements to be compliant (I think this is true, for example = of RADIUS >> and the RADIUS defined AVPs enabling interop between implementations = vs proprietary ones). >>=20 >=20 > So this is probably pedantic, but I=E2=80=99m still confused when = you say that something is must be allowed but is not compliant. That = seems like a contradiction. > [NCW] I am open to suggestions to lessen confusion! Would it improve = readability and intent if the sentence were to be removed? Would it capture the idea to say that SACM must allow for both = standardized and proprietary extensions? (leaving out any mention of = non-compliance). >=20 > [=E2=80=A6] >> - g-004: "...MUST be suitably specified..." is vague and = unverifiable. >> [NCW] Can you provide an alternate suggestion? It is meant to leave = room >> to allow for different implementations to describe their flexibility = or suitability >> in different deployments so I can see the conclusion that it is = vague. >=20 > I suggest dropping the MUST, since there=E2=80=99s really no real = way of determining the requirement has been met. > [NCW] Perhaps we can make it lowercase given that it should be a = requirement just hard to enforce/determine. That would work for me. >=20 > [=E2=80=A6] >=20 >=20 >> - G-006: Is this a requirement for e2e protection? It seems like it = is, but the >> description is vague. In particular, I cannot tell if the mention = of >> middleboxes is to say that middleboxes should not be able to read = or modify >> traffic, or if it is to say that middleboxes may be part of the = architecture >> and actually need that sort of access. (Also, the requirement title = says >> "integrity", but the text seems to be about both integrity and = confidentiality.) >> [NCW] It is somewhat open as some mechanisms would rely on the = underlying >> transport (or transfer) security=E2=80=A6.and you are right, as it is = both integrity and >> confidentiality, I will change the requirement to be =E2=80=9CData = Protection:. >=20 > That doesn=E2=80=99t address my question. Specifically, this = requirement says that data must be protected =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6 through = middleboxes=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D. Are those middleboxes expected to be able = to read or modify the data, or is the protection intended to ensure that = they cannot? > [NCW] The intent is for the protection to be end to end. How about an = update to read: > G-006 Data Protection: To protect the information being = shared, SACM > components MUST protect the integrity and confidentiality = of data in > transit (end to end) and data at rest (as information is = stored in repositories). =20 > Mechanisms for this protection are unspecified but=20 > should include industry best practices. These mechanisms = are required to be=20 > available (i.e. all data-handling components must support = them), but are not=20 > required to be used in all cases. That works for me. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> - G-015: "... accommodate considerations such as geographic, >> regulatory, operational and federations..." seems vague for use = with a MUST. >> [NCW] The MUST goes to enabling different attributes to drive access = control, >> the exemplar list is only meant to be a short list and not hard = requirements but >> rather that the access control consider multiple attributes. >=20 >=20 > I have trouble understanding the meaning of the first MUST, since = nothing really defines the =E2=80=9Cconsiderations=E2=80=9D except for = the example list. I suggest dropping that MUST and treating the first = sentence as explanatory. (I have no objection to the 2nd MUST.) > [NCW] That=E2=80=99s fine, I can change the first MUST to lowercase. Okay. >=20 >>=20 >> - ARCH-004: "The fact that a centralized or >> decentralized deployment is used SHOULD be invisible to a = consumer." >> Can you elaborate on why? Might not a consumer want to consider the = nature of a >> data source? >> [NCW] Yes, which is why it is a SHOULD=E2=80=A6.that is a consumer = may not care or, to your >> point, want to know the nature of the data source (and provenance). >=20 > I suggest a sentence or two to that effect. > [NCW] Suggested change to the last sentence to read: =E2=80=9CAs a = consumer may or may not desire to explicitly know the data source, = knowledge of a centralized or decentralized deployment SHOULD be = invisible to a consumer.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t think that helps, as it seems to say suggest that the = consumer might want this but you shouldn=E2=80=99t give it to them. How = about something like the following: "The fact that a centralized or decentralized deployment is used SHOULD = be invisible to a consumer. However, there may be cases where the = producer chooses to include that information due to consumer preference." 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All:

If you're not subscribed to th= e PANIC list, I'd like to call your attention to an ongoing discussion = there [1], and in particular the latest contribution to that thread [2].=C2= =A0

If you care to opine on that thread, I encoura= ge you to join the PANIC list [3]. Alternatively, feel free to say somethin= g here, and I'll get the information cross-posted one way or another.

Kind regards,

Adam

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Folks, Adam has uploaded draft minutes to the Materials page=E2=80=A6 Please = review and provide any updates/changes by Friday 4 August. Thanks again = to Roman and Danny for taking minutes! 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another, follow-on hackathon effort at IETF 100. The goal would be to merge the two related IETF 99 efforts (see https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon ). To this end, I think we should begin by establishing a regular meeting cadence, similar to what we did in preparation for IETF 99. This time, however, we could attempt one or two 30-minute meetings once per week. Thoughts? Karen pointed out that we may have more significant logistical challenges with this hackathon, as Singapore may be a harder destination for folks to reach. We'll work through it, and the challenge may end up working in our favor. Kind regards, Adam --f403045fba247f999b05556368df Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:

After our successful hackathon eff= orts at IETF 99, we would like to plan for another, follow-on hackathon eff= ort at IETF 100. The goal would be to merge the two related IETF 99 efforts= (see=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario= /tree/master/ietf_99_hackathon).=C2=A0

To this= end, I think we should begin by establishing a regular meeting cadence, si= milar to what we did in preparation for IETF 99. This time, however, we cou= ld attempt one or two 30-minute meetings once per week.

Thoughts?

Karen pointed out that we may have= more significant logistical challenges with this hackathon, as Singapore m= ay be a harder destination for folks to reach. We'll work through it, a= nd the challenge may end up working in our favor.

= Kind regards,

Adam
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Kind regards,

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Should we be referencing the NIST interagency report related to SWID or the ISO standard directly? The NIST document is more readily accessible, and if they have parity, then we might gain points for referencing the freely available resource. Is there a reason to mention TCG + NEA in the introduction? If we're looking at NEA, then let's just use NEA references and not the TCG ones for, at least, the sake of consistency. Propose modified definition for SW-PC: A Posture Collector (PC) that collects endpoint software inventory information and that conforms to this specification. Propose modified definition for SW-PV: A Posture Validator (PV) that interprets SW Attributes sent by SW-PCs and that conforms to this specification. Propose modified definition for SW Attribute: A PA-TNC attribute that conveys software inventory information. (NOTE: We should ensure that PA-TNC is the NEA-specific term.) Propose renaming "SW Attribute" to "SWIMA Attribute", which seems more accurate. Take a look a the "SW Attribute" subtypes listed in section 5.2 to understand my motivation. Assuming "SW" expands to "software" (which is a reasonable presumption), then SW Request is not a SW Attribute. A SW Attribute might be a configuration item that software contains, but not a SW Request. The SW Request attribute is used to request software inventory related information from an endpoint, and is thus more appropriately an attribute associated with SWIMA than with "software". If this is acceptable, then we should update the term in section 10.1. Then, we may want to consider expanding "SW" to "SWIMA" wherever appropriate (i.e. SW Request could become SWIMA Request), which is longer to type but also inarguably more clear. On Page 15 the draft states "All SW-PCs MUST at least be able to generate Software Identifiers for the data model types specified in Section 6 of this document." Section 6 describes data models for SWID 2009 and SWID 2015, but nothing else. Is this really what we desire? What about Linux distribution package managers? What about discovered software outside typical installation patterns? And, does it make sense, in a brokered architecture like NEA, to require redundant capabilities in the anticipated myriad collectors? Are the subscription semantics of this draft intended to be extrapolated to other types of information collection going over PT-TLS in the future? This wasn't clear to me when reading the draft, but the IANA table additions (section 10.2) relating to subscriptions appear to have names generic enough to be reused. If that's the intent, then maybe we can figure out an easy way to clarify this in the draft, so that subsequent collection drafts are easier to create. Kind regards, Adam On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:41 AM Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > Folks, > > This begins a 3 week working group last call (WGLC) for the following > document: > > Software Inventory Message and Attributes (SWIMA) for PA-TNC > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swima-patnc/ > > We have chosen to do a 3 week WGLC to account for post IETF recovery and > August vacations. > > Please review the referenced document and send any comments to the mailing > list including your assessment of whether this document is mature enough to > proceed to the IESG. Please note that these messages of support for > progression to the mailing list will be used to determine WG consensus to > proceed. > > Please send all comments in by Friday 18 August 2017. > > Thank you! > Karen and Adam > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --001a1140443c8c0fa80555a25c20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All:=C2=A0

The following comments are m= ade as a contributor.

Should we be referencin= g the NIST interagency report related to SWID or the ISO standard directly?= The NIST document is more readily accessible, and if they have parity, the= n we might gain points for referencing the freely available resource.
=

Is there a reason to mention TCG + NEA in the introduct= ion? If we're looking at NEA, then let's just use NEA references an= d not the TCG ones for, at least, the sake of consistency.

Propose modified definition for SW-PC: A Posture Collector (PC) th= at collects endpoint software inventory information and that conforms to th= is specification.

Propose modified definition for = SW-PV: A Posture Validator (PV) that interprets SW Attributes sent by SW-PC= s and that conforms to this specification.

Propose= modified definition for SW Attribute: A PA-TNC attribute that conveys soft= ware inventory information. (NOTE: We should ensure that PA-TNC is the NEA-= specific term.)

Propose renaming "SW Attribut= e" to "SWIMA Attribute", which seems more accurate. Take a l= ook a the "SW Attribute" subtypes listed in section 5.2 to unders= tand my motivation. Assuming "SW" expands to "software"= (which is a reasonable presumption), then SW Request is not a SW Attribute= . A SW Attribute might be a configuration item that software contains, but = not a SW Request. The SW Request attribute is used to request software inve= ntory related information from an endpoint, and is thus more appropriately = an attribute associated with SWIMA than with "software". If this = is acceptable, then we should update the term in section 10.1.=C2=A0
<= div>
Then, we may want to consider expanding "SW" t= o "SWIMA" wherever appropriate (i.e. SW Request could become SWIM= A Request), which is longer to type but also inarguably more clear.

On Page 15 the draft states "All SW-PCs MUST at leas= t be able to generate Software Identifiers for the data model types specifi= ed in Section 6 of this document." Section 6 describes data models for= SWID 2009 and SWID 2015, but nothing else. Is this really what we desire? = What about Linux distribution package managers? What about discovered softw= are outside typical installation patterns? And, does it make sense, in a br= okered architecture like NEA, to require redundant capabilities in the anti= cipated myriad collectors?

Are the subscription se= mantics of this draft intended to be extrapolated to other types of informa= tion collection going over PT-TLS in the future? This wasn't clear to m= e when reading the draft, but the IANA table additions (section 10.2) relat= ing to subscriptions appear to have names generic enough to be reused. If t= hat's the intent, then maybe we can figure out an easy way to clarify t= his in the draft, so that subsequent collection drafts are easier to create= .=C2=A0

Kind regards,

Adam


On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:41 AM Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Folks,

This begins a 3 week working group last call (WGLC) for the following docum= ent:

Software Inventory Message and Attributes (SWIMA) for PA-TNC
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-ietf-sacm-nea-swima-patnc/

We have chosen to do a 3 week WGLC to account for post IETF recovery and Au= gust vacations.

Please review the referenced document and send any comments to the mailing = list including your assessment of whether this document is mature enough to= proceed to the IESG. Please note that these messages of support for progre= ssion to the mailing list will be used to determine WG consensus to proceed= .

Please send all comments in by Friday 18 August 2017.

Thank you!
Karen and Adam

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--001a1140443c8c0fa80555a25c20-- From nobody Mon Jul 31 13:12:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D2B1327B2 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JeulJ0TdoP9t for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B370A127735 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:12:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=G0aaKjbVkChv7rDfBB9ubQlO520=; b=ddOawsl6UQet3vOm Rp6jS92ZXDR/k5nVl5oI5fQD91EdFhRJNH1NjRC4aWP62G1cIDleLgOTg5F6W1pB rbjetIGX6mMxIUIX6mjLdAEYVf1/bYkpqwx2fmAunRM+oeWdH8zpIuBR0TgQJo27 XSoVe8c1u6PHwkguOU8moCFBXqA= Received: by filter0103p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0103p1las1-2235-597F8F13-4 2017-07-31 20:12:03.073462891 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0036p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id T58zQlLRRi2W1RafKrQHxg for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:12:03.002 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:12:03 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_597f8f12b8c52_344f3feec20c7c2c14189b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9Hyd7apOB7N8aEh+DFFLDtGgMJYMICLd7t2ROJe31OfOvuD5bJspl54s61P IRk7NhVmyrxtBLdp06IQlkKlMJxe7+gCjH4qd7fgWr2MdXUbOWTG1MRqSEVMPPYWSVHKNHZLMA5D8N Jo9VrzPus1vOV2PyUuNhmyDXHHqaAEBYDMin5jTucJY19Ucd6+JNCt3Mhw== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Definition of "Attribute" (#39) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:12:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_597f8f12b8c52_344f3feec20c7c2c14189b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose I just don't like the NEA definition, either because it conflates entities of reality into one term or because I'm discomforted by viewing an attribute as a set of information elements (which is what the NEA definition permits). I'm thinking of attribute like, for example, minimum password length. There is a configuration item (an attribute) that inheres in many software applications called minimum password length. Its purpose is to specify the minimum length of users' passwords, and may take on a range of values depending on the policy and the technology. The range of values assignable to minimum password length is not the attribute itself, nor is the actual value presently assigned to minimum password length. Another way to look at it is that the terminology is saying "attribute" is the same as "attribute-value pair". An attribute is an attribute-value pair doesn't make sense to me. An attribute is part of an attribute-value pair, yes, but not an attribute-value pair in its own right. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/39#issuecomment-319182535 ----==_mimepart_597f8f12b8c52_344f3feec20c7c2c14189b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I suppose I just don't like the NEA definition, either because it confla= tes entities of reality into one term or because I'm discomforted by viewin= g an attribute as a set of information elements (which is what the NEA defi= nition permits).

I'm thinking of attribute like, for example, minimum password length. Th= ere is a configuration item (an attribute) that inheres in many software ap= plications called minimum password length. Its purpose is to specify the mi= nimum length of users' passwords, and may take on a range of values dependi= ng on the policy and the technology. The range of values assignable to mini= mum password length is not the attribute itself, nor is the actual value pr= esently assigned to minimum password length.

Another way to look at it is that the terminology is saying "attribute" = is the same as "attribute-value pair". An attribute is an attribute-value p= air doesn't make sense to me. An attribute is part of an attribute-value pa= ir, yes, but not an attribute-value pair in its own right.

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After reading Henk's comment on #42, I see why attribute-value = pair was talked about as being synonymous with "attribute". With minimum p= assword length the value of 14 existing on an endpoint in a well-defined/ex= pected location would be the instance of that attribute for that endpoint. = ??

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There seem to be some definitions in our terminology draft that may not be required.for someone to understand SACM. Some examples are network address, network interface, hardware component, and there may be others (I am not keeping a definitive list).

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In some cases we are using common terms for SACM-specific purposes. Proxy is one example, Provider is another. There are certainly others we might consider (this is somewhat related to #58 ).

When we do need to be SACM-specific, I would encourage the terms to be named in a SACM-specific manner. Take Proxy for example, which has the following definition: A proxy is a specific controller type that provides data plane and control plane functions, information, or services on behalf of another component, which is not directly participating in the SACM architecture..

Because I don't think we mean "proxy" as in "the authority to represent someone else", I think we mean something like this: a server (a computer system or an application) that acts as an intermediary for requests from clients seeking resources from other servers (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server).

If we want this to be SACM-specific, then I would suggest:

SACM Proxy Controller: A SACM Controller that provides [SACM] data plane and [SACM] control plane functions, information, or services on behalf of another component not directly participating in the SACM architecture.

Or something like that. In this particular example, I'm not sure it's necessary to define SACM Proxy Controller. It may be enough just to state in the appropriate documents that a SACM Controller may function as a proxy server for some other component in the enterprise.

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----==_mimepart_597f971f3b69_4b13fa332ee9c3c90179-- From nobody Mon Jul 31 13:55:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1459131CBF for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ueWo8F5TlDsQ for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9542F131CBE for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:55:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mlYesHSNrWDFfoCJEK83tWU+Ypo=; b=KhChe0iz6z+m/V5/ MFGFIDBkFsDqRa0mHsEoBB+ezaTemPGO6mFo+urqsF59EjxCPvaDvy64KxdU8/oD bCYWM+VGPKzc+t7924kX2l92skZQ7arhSfX3kY8AsIruukWPqMSkLi/1C+Yqh0zp 0pdDXJEzpSi+lr5fm6s0EJnxbWo= Received: by filter0930p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0930p1mdw1-31664-597F9941-2C 2017-07-31 20:55:29.672213422 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id HhkYbUgRSai0kfwFU5wLmQ for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:55:29.667 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:55:29 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology To: sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_597f994186866_536d3fd0a4d3fc34611f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H8tD+B9D76akcmZzbLIWs+ugXXyztQ9v44rwZJHu2U43GSIDljL0LXZeYt d+k17iSjKw0VvNwxogWlavGQ1q8KWUQQXZgpWUu9odyT+VGi1oU+0SMJHDjpY+Uik1JvMfg5gDSdUx JKCidoKKD4+6WPcxNJrCFh9/k6wBEuOBwQ6Kte4bJPMUrEbU8jew92JAiw== Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology] Is it possible to reduce the size of "SACM Component"? (#60) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:55:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_597f994186866_536d3fd0a4d3fc34611f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The definition for `SACM Component` is large. It starts by defining `component` (from I2NSF), which is not a good idea (`component` can be defined as referencing the I2NSF definition, but elsewhere in the terminology). If we pull that out, then we could define `SACM Component` as: `a component composed of SACM functions`, which presumes that `SACM functions` is elsewhere defined. I think this example gets the idea across, however. Again, I would ask of this term whether it's really necessary? If `component` has a solid definition in I2NSF we reference, then when reading "SACM component" I would probably call that good enough and not need a definition. What, aside from the "composed of SACM functions" (which is easily and reasonably inferred), is the difference in SACM Component that makes us want to define it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-terminology/issues/60 ----==_mimepart_597f994186866_536d3fd0a4d3fc34611f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The definition for SACM Component is large. It starts by defining component (from I2NSF), which is not a good idea (component can be defined as referencing the I2NSF definition, but elsewhere in the terminology). If we pull that out, then we could define SACM Component as: a component composed of SACM functions, which presumes that SACM functions is elsewhere defined. I think this example gets the idea across, however.

Again, I would ask of this term whether it's really necessary? If component has a solid definition in I2NSF we reference, then when reading "SACM component" I would probably call that good enough and not need a definition. What, aside from the "composed of SACM functions" (which is easily and reasonably inferred), is the difference in SACM Component that makes us want to define it?

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----==_mimepart_597f994186866_536d3fd0a4d3fc34611f1-- From nobody Mon Jul 31 14:06:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A61131CEB; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S7yXghdq7JN1; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 169531327BE; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.63] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v6VL6Q5Z079684 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:06:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <362BE9B7-AA1C-4B2E-9318-423CFED3F820@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:06:26 -0500 Cc: "sacm-chairs@ietf.org" , "sacm@ietf.org" , The IESG , "Karen O'Donoghue" , "draft-ietf-sacm-requirements@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <149849144588.31865.17392511624418268107.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <644C5859-6C9B-49A2-858A-43242777FD8D@cisco.com> <3B998144-4527-4683-8EC7-2933C40E5AAF@nostrum.com> <362BE9B7-AA1C-4B2E-9318-423CFED3F820@cisco.com> To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 21:06:39 -0000 Hi, comments inline, etc. Thanks! Ben. > On Jul 27, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) = wrote: [=E2=80=A6] >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> (Resending because I forgot to hit the "send email" button this = first time. No >>> other change.) >>>=20 >>> The SACM charter requires the group to " whenever reasonable and = possible, >>> reuse existing protocols, mechanisms, information and data models. = " If that is >>> reflected anywhere in the requirements, I missed it. (which is = possible.) In >>> particular, I think section 2.6 needs to include requirements to = favor use of >>> existing "transfer protocols". (As written, T-001 seems almost = tailored to >>> counter arguments to "just use HTTP".) >>> [NCW] =E2=80=9CWhenever reasonable and possible=E2=80=9D imho is = subjective, while we discussed=20 >>> existing data models and protocols such as OVAL, IF-MAP, IODEF, = YANG, >>> etc. The group concluded that it was best to include the phrase = rather than call >>> out the ones raised in the group as new ones have arisen (e.g. = leveraging SWID >>> and I think there is one to potentially use ROLIE). >>>=20 >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m not sure I understand your response, and I see that = version 17 did not add anything to the requirement language. Do you = argue that there are no need for requirements to prefer existing = mechanisms? I don=E2=80=99t expect a requirement to reuse any particular = mechanism by name, but I think these requirements are incomplete without = some explicit bias towards existing technologies. >>=20 >> Or you do you mean to argue that the analysis of potential existing = technologies has already been completed? >> [NCW] My response was to suggest that no change was needed as the = group could not agree to a =E2=80=9Cpreferred list=E2=80=9D but rather, = not cite any in the requirements so as not to preclude other standards. = Also, to your last point, the analysis has not really been completed. = SACM is also in the process of updating its charter and in the new = charter, the work defined is going to be more prescriptive to the = technologies that will be sought. >> At this point, I don=E2=80=99t think it makes sense to call out = preferred mechanisms in the requirements draft as the group is already = evaluating applicability of existing ones to consider (some of which = were not mentioned at the time the requirements document was evolving = and other new ones being developed in other groups @IETF can be = candidates). >=20 > I think we are talking past each other. I am not asking for this = document to call out specific technologies. I am asking for it to = contain a requirement to prefer existing IETF technologies over creating = new mechanisms from scratch. It doesn=E2=80=99t need to enumerate = =E2=80=9Cpreferred=E2=80=9D technologies to do that, and such a = requirement should still allow the working group to create new = mechanisms if no existing mechanism can fulfill the requirements. > [NCW] Ah, got it. While I am not sure how it can be a MUST = requirement, I can try to add a SHOULD. How about we add a requirement = that reads: > =E2=80=9CT-006 Transfer Protocol adoption: SACM SHOULD where = possible, leverage and use existing IETF transfer protocols versus = defining new ones. For example, where YANG [RFC6020] is used as a data = model and a REST interface is desired, RESTCONF [RFC8040] MUST be = used.=E2=80=9D That language is in the right track. I don=E2=80=99t think the example = in the second adds much information, and may cause confusion. If you = want to keep it, I don=E2=80=99t think it should use a 2119 keyword = (MUST or otherwise), since it=E2=80=99s an example to help clarify the = requirement, not a requirement in itself. I=E2=80=99d also suggest = weakening the =E2=80=9Cwhere possible=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cwhere = reasonably possible=E2=80=9D. So, here=E2=80=99s an alternative suggestion: "SACM SHOULD, where reasonably possible, leverage and use existing IETF = transfer protocols versus defining new ones.=E2=80=9D [=E2=80=A6] From nobody Mon Jul 31 14:36:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FAF1327D5; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: 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