From nobody Sat Sep 2 10:14:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE68B132E65 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fruYsS-4mLzQ for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 373D5132DF7 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id k189so3922017itk.0 for ; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 10:14:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=n3kXzBzLrtvEtHJ9PeXdGwrONxoFA3wSXd2JXLGaCbw=; b=FUsUL11zE1rhVNXpQ80eAnB1kZDo1SQGNho4BpSZSJ4Fg5La8FGxwsXINUm0U3ZMNp ZBcI6Jb3gM9IDo3NUYzxXlnecR4wEuxSIuIUz+aM1o1772k+AqF0RYaPi4OqrfGnTN0/ J5KbIUvusqYQ6hDq75unQBYYer9w15e9EjFy4hGhthH7uFYAt5IS+GgueYSfaOmhmasE Qa6D0ZDV03JxrPyOgNf52wODFC0tOLqFMiUGCP2fD1ziYnCNpDRPLlt3VByu40SKX7kc Pg9KRm4tWcEDcfhXzqcefvtc2Cts3ogYaial9Fb6Kd+gZE+UZmd+MTXECemSpdXH75WB YGeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=n3kXzBzLrtvEtHJ9PeXdGwrONxoFA3wSXd2JXLGaCbw=; b=UuKU7zhDCNLy0IMZiPAfyVkbTKO+PzNZoYhPPviYHhk8I6SlTMl0i7pGpW6mCn9FvS UX1I/Xbo4g0RV2wb6JVU30mQSNViWU0OnfwDaTPjIFVXFVUO9+7rB6/mSi4WPIUB2cOT zR6otDS+MgFNyi5Tr8+e0vfU5depo3asP7Lf57InXxruOMTiV3xeBXMRlJoKZlkMguU1 szDFjtdWnbsSBuhNHNb6UyY/NvfkgdQfxT4qWkIToR3ZDdrs75j6/EMGqFKyiNPc/1uc cMw0yJLvhjXhl88Uuhw0FLrWRlPdUcBYdNJzW1G2alDZkMbiO9Iti5rfzWmj0AGVR2DV Vp0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUj4jsrOoBQ8i4J9QYDluP+bOuTVMYmSSmFlesbmuB1HsP02YTe1 FFAlzxpDA/G9LoA/gI3w7i3+l3Ebdm8I X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADKCNb5zZ7YXy8vwu5JrpEPEiKsJSueznI2N+GUJAhjVjB+c0T88Xg9SSNHCba1a2rcnuG+1/9de5Y7WSuP0xh0YabQ= X-Received: by 10.36.219.215 with SMTP id c206mr1565811itg.89.1504372484359; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 10:14:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c087b4a8a6978055838031c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] IETF 100 Hackathon Planning Session Doodle Polls X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 17:14:47 -0000 --94eb2c087b4a8a6978055838031c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm going to extend this by one more week. I was anticipating at least four other interested folks. I'll close this poll at the end of the day Friday, September 8th, and call the selected times on September 9th. Kind regards, Adam On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:29 AM Adam Montville wrote: > Hi. > > Hope you're all having a great week. If you'd like to participate in the > IETF 100 hackathon, please participate in the following two Doodle polls. > The first poll will select a *weekly* time for a 30-minute session at the > beginning of each week, and the second poll will select a *weekly* time for > a similar 30-minute session at the end of each week. The idea is to, each > week, have two 30-minute sessions rather than one hour-long session. > > Session 1 Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/t7949qekm8bczuca > > Session 2 Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/v3hzppcufy3iwx52 > > It'd be great to hold our first session early in the week of September 11, > so let's close this poll on 9/1. > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > > --94eb2c087b4a8a6978055838031c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm going to extend this by one more week. I was antic= ipating at least four other interested folks.

I'll c= lose this poll at the end of the day Friday, September 8th, and call the se= lected times on September 9th.

Kind regards,
=

Adam

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:29 AM Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi.

Hope= you're all having a great week. If you'd like to participate in th= e IETF 100 hackathon, please participate in the following two Doodle polls.= The first poll will select a *weekly* time for a 30-minute session at the = beginning of each week, and the second poll will select a *weekly* time for= a similar 30-minute session at the end of each week. The idea is to, each = week, have two 30-minute sessions rather than one hour-long session.=C2=A0<= /div>



It'd be gr= eat to hold our first session early in the week of September 11, so let'= ;s close this poll on 9/1.

Kind regards,

Adam


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(Fed)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f8992134637055874faca" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Rechartering and Hackathon Planning (was RE: IETF 100 Hackathon Planning Session Doodle Polls) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 17:58:42 -0000 --001a113f8992134637055874faca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Dave, Yes, we are interested in that. I just circled back with Karen about this, and she's going to send something out about the recharter effort later today. We had discussed the rechartering effort at our last chairs meeting. Kind regards, Adam On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:33 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > Adam, > > > > I responded to the poll. There may be some delay in folks responding to > your poll due to summer vacations. Now that we are in September, many folks > may be returning to work. > > > > Looking at the Hackathon in the larger scope of work for this working > group, I believe it would be good to have some consensus around a revised > charter to inform our priorities for the next hackathon. Without > prioritizing the recharter work, we risk selecting work for the Hackathon > that does not represent a priority for the WG. > > > > Are you and Karen interested in starting a recharter conversation on the > list in parallel with our early conversations about planning the Hackathon? > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > > > *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Adam Montville > *Sent:* Saturday, September 02, 2017 1:15 PM > *To:* sacm@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [sacm] IETF 100 Hackathon Planning Session Doodle Polls > > > > I'm going to extend this by one more week. I was anticipating at least > four other interested folks. > > > > I'll close this poll at the end of the day Friday, September 8th, and call > the selected times on September 9th. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Adam > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:29 AM Adam Montville < > adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Hope you're all having a great week. If you'd like to participate in the > IETF 100 hackathon, please participate in the following two Doodle polls. > The first poll will select a *weekly* time for a 30-minute session at the > beginning of each week, and the second poll will select a *weekly* time for > a similar 30-minute session at the end of each week. The idea is to, each > week, have two 30-minute sessions rather than one hour-long session. > > > > Session 1 Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/t7949qekm8bczuca > > > > Session 2 Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/v3hzppcufy3iwx52 > > > > It'd be great to hold our first session early in the week of September 11, > so let's close this poll on 9/1. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Adam > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --001a113f8992134637055874faca Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dave,

Yes, we are interested in that= . I just circled back with Karen about this, and she's going to send so= mething out about the recharter effort later today. We had discussed the re= chartering effort at our last chairs meeting.

Kind= regards,

Adam


On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:33 PM Walt= ermire, David A. (Fed) <dav= id.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote:

Adam,

=C2=A0

I responded to the poll. There may be some delay in= folks responding to your poll due to summer vacations. Now that we are in = September, many folks may be returning to work.

=C2=A0

Looking at the Hackathon in the larger scope of wor= k for this working group, I believe it would be good to have some consensus= around a revised charter to inform our priorities for the next hackathon. Without prioritizing the recharter work, we risk s= electing work for the Hackathon that does not represent a priority for the = WG.

=C2=A0

Are you and Karen interested in starting a recharte= r conversation on the list in parallel with our early conversations about p= lanning the Hackathon?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Dave

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 1:15 PM
To: sacm@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: [sacm] IETF 100 Hackathon Planning Session Doodle Polls=

=C2=A0

I'm going to extend this by one more week. I was= anticipating at least four other interested folks.

=C2=A0

I'll close this poll at the end of the day Frida= y, September 8th, and call the selected times on September 9th.

=C2=A0

Kind regards,

=C2=A0

Adam

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:29 AM Adam Montville <= adam.w.mont= ville@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.

=C2=A0

Hope you're all having a great week. If you'= d like to participate in the IETF 100 hackathon, please participate in the = following two Doodle polls. The first poll will select a *weekly* time for = a 30-minute session at the beginning of each week, and the second poll will select a *weekly* time for a similar 30-min= ute session at the end of each week. The idea is to, each week, have two 30= -minute sessions rather than one hour-long session.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Session 1 Poll:=C2=A0https://doodle.com/poll/t7949qekm8b= czuca=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Session 2 Poll:=C2=A0https://doodle.com/poll/v3hzppcufy3= iwx52=C2=A0

=C2=A0

It'd be great to hold our first session early in= the week of September 11, so let's close this poll on 9/1.

=C2=A0

Kind regards,

=C2=A0

Adam

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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--001a113f8992134637055874faca-- From nobody Thu Sep 7 01:05:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811DA132EBB for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 01:05:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CesxqclTgejY for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 01:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF519132EC8 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 01:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DUY38543; Thu, 07 Sep 2017 08:04:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.50) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:04:58 +0100 Received: from DGGEML502-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.131]) by dggeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.50]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 16:04:50 +0800 From: "Xialiang (Frank)" To: "sacm@ietf.org" CC: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "dongyue (D)" , "Zhengguangying (Walker)" Thread-Topic: new drafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline: Thread-Index: AdMnr9yvyzoNHtmhQXuBvOw9Rg6/RA== Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:04:50 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.159.76] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BB67B58DGGEML502MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020201.59B0FDAC.0028, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.131, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 88b53d345e52d0b492e9c5133208f509 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline: X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 08:05:09 -0000 --_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BB67B58DGGEML502MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network infrastru= cture devices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security posture, or ca= ll it security baseline. Each draft covers one of the three planes of netwo= rk infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management plane. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00 The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall secu= rity posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to realize the= whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure network. Your comments are warmly welcome! B.R. Frank --_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BB67B58DGGEML502MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

We just submit 3 drafts to spec= ify the yang data model of network infrastructure devices (i.e., router, sw= itch, firewall, etc) security posture, or call it security baseline. Each d= raft covers one of the three planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management p= lane.

https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00

 

https://tools.ietf.= org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00<= /p>

 

https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00

 

The goal is to facilitate the c= ollection and assessment of the overall security posture of the network inf= rastructure devices, in order to realize the whole lifecycle security autom= ation for the infrastructure network.

Your comments are warmly welcom= e!

 

B.R.

Frank

--_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BB67B58DGGEML502MBXchi_-- From nobody Thu Sep 7 03:48:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D326132EE4 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 03:48:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BvC9FD0Znlzs for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 03:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-edgeKA27.fraunhofer.de (mail-edgeka27.fraunhofer.de [153.96.1.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1F19126D0C for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 03:48:16 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2HxCwAgI7FZ/xoBYJldHAEBBAEBCgEBgm9rZG4nB4NwmkKBTyKQaYU/ghIKI4UbAoQAQRYBAgEBAQEBAQEDaChCDoIVRlgBAQEBAQEjAj4tAQUjClwJAhgqAgJXBhOKMAUMkAmdZoIni0oBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYBYMqggKBToIOC4JyhFUBAR5MgkcwgjEFoHSBB4EnhS2DWokoggeFZ4NVBYcdlH4CBAYFAhkBgTkmCCqBDVMlbwGFBRyBaXSGaYFvgSMBgQ4BAQE X-IPAS-Result: A2HxCwAgI7FZ/xoBYJldHAEBBAEBCgEBgm9rZG4nB4NwmkKBTyKQaYU/ghIKI4UbAoQAQRYBAgEBAQEBAQEDaChCDoIVRlgBAQEBAQEjAj4tAQUjClwJAhgqAgJXBhOKMAUMkAmdZoIni0oBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYBYMqggKBToIOC4JyhFUBAR5MgkcwgjEFoHSBB4EnhS2DWokoggeFZ4NVBYcdlH4CBAYFAhkBgTkmCCqBDVMlbwGFBRyBaXSGaYFvgSMBgQ4BAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,357,1500933600"; d="scan'208,217";a="433974" Received: from mail-mtaka26.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.26]) by mail-edgeKA27.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 07 Sep 2017 12:48:12 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,357,1500933600"; d="scan'208,217";a="259408473" X-IronPort-Outbreak-Status: No, level 0, Unknown - Unknown Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de ([141.12.72.89]) by mail-mtaka26.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Sep 2017 12:48:11 +0200 Received: from mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (mail.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.84.171]) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id v87AmAl4023629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:48:11 +0200 Received: from [10.29.224.103] (80.187.118.69) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:48:05 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:48:04 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----ZB6FFXQTMFUY43TOV905R79I4BR8R0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: From: Henk Birkholz Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.187.118.69] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline: X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 10:48:22 -0000 ------ZB6FFXQTMFUY43TOV905R79I4BR8R0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank, wow that is nice complementary work! But may I ask, is the a reason why u = started it without me? Isn't is aligning with the i2nsf IM for monitoring? = Im only curious=2E Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Henk On September 7, 2017 10:04:50 AM GMT+02:00, "Xialiang (Frank)" wrote: >Hi all, >We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network >infrastructure devices (i=2Ee=2E, router, switch, firewall, etc) security >posture, or call it security baseline=2E Each draft covers one of the >three planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control >plane, management plane=2E > >https://tools=2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-0= 0 > > > >https://tools=2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-= 00 > > > >https://tools=2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-0= 0 > >The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall >security posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to >realize the whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure >network=2E >Your comments are warmly welcome! > >B=2ER=2E >Frank --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------ZB6FFXQTMFUY43TOV905R79I4BR8R0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank,

wow that is nice complementary work! But may I ask, is the a reason why u = started it without me? Isn't is aligning with the i2nsf IM for monitori= ng? Im only curious=2E

Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe,

Henk

On September 7, 2017 10:04:50 AM GM= T+02:00, "Xialiang (Frank)" <frank=2Exialiang@huawei=2Ecom>= wrote:

Hi all,

We just submit 3 drafts to spe= cify the yang data model of network infrastructure devices (i=2Ee=2E, route= r, switch, firewall, etc) security posture, or call it security baseline=2E= Each draft covers one of the three planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management = plane=2E

https://tools= =2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00

 

https://tools= =2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00

 

https://tools= =2Eietf=2Eorg/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00

 

The goal is to facilitate the = collection and assessment of the overall security posture of the network in= frastructure devices, in order to realize the whole lifecycle security auto= mation for the infrastructure network=2E

Your comments are warmly welco= me!

 

B=2ER=2E

Frank


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([173.36.7.20]) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 13:10:37 -0500 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: "Xialiang (Frank)" , "sacm@ietf.org" CC: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying (Walker)" , "dongyue (D)" Thread-Topic: new drafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline: Thread-Index: AdMnr9yvyzoNHtmhQXuBvOw9Rg6/RAAVF6Zg Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 18:10:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4c3aa43995df46dfbded53f39a912ca9@XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.116.108.5] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4c3aa43995df46dfbded53f39a912ca9XCHALN010ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline: X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 18:10:41 -0000 --_000_4c3aa43995df46dfbded53f39a912ca9XCHALN010ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network infr= astructure or network elements. I believe SACM's initial focus was on endpo= ints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM's charter as it is right now? Panos From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank) Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying (Walker= ) ; dongyue (D) Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's security b= aseline: Hi all, We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network infrastru= cture devices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security posture, or ca= ll it security baseline. Each draft covers one of the three planes of netwo= rk infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management plane. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00 The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall secu= rity posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to realize the= whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure network. Your comments are warmly welcome! B.R. Frank --_000_4c3aa43995df46dfbded53f39a912ca9XCHALN010ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When = checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network infrastru= cture or network elements. I believe SACM’s initial focus was on endp= oints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM’s charter as it is right now?

Panos=

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From: = sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank)
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguan= gying (Walker) <zhengguangying@huawei.com>; dongyue (D) <dongyue6@= huawei.com>
Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's sec= urity baseline:

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Hi all,

We just s= ubmit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network infrastructure dev= ices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security posture, or call it sec= urity baseline. Each draft covers one of the three planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control= plane, management plane.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00<= /a>

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00

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The goal = is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall security post= ure of the network infrastructure devices, in order to realize the whole li= fecycle security automation for the infrastructure network.

Your comm= ents are warmly welcome!

&nbs= p;

B.R.=

Frank

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Panos, At the last IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I believe = we are currently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion on the list= . This will give the working group an opportunity to clarify this issue in = the charter. As far as endpoints, the definition that has been used for endpoints in the= SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, which is "Any computing device that= can be connected to a network. Such devices normally are associated with a particular link layer address before joining the network and potentially an IP address once on the network. This includes: laptops, desktops, servers, cell phones, or any device that may have an IP address." As most network devices are connected to networks, and often expose a manag= ement interface that is IP addressable, I'd say they qualify as endpoints. = This view is also reflected in the SACM terminology, which states "To furth= er clarify the [RFC5209] definition, a= n endpoint is any physical or virtual device that may have a network address. Note that, network infrastructure devices (e.g. switches, routers, firewalls), which fit the definition, are also considered to be endpoints within this document." This text squares with my original view of endpoints way back when we were = working on the original SACM charter. Regards, Dave From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis (pk= ampana) Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM To: Xialiang (Frank) ; sacm@ietf.org Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying (Walker= ) ; dongyue (D) Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's securi= ty baseline: When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network infr= astructure or network elements. I believe SACM's initial focus was on endpo= ints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM's charter as it is right now? Panos From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank) Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM To: sacm@ietf.org Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) >; Zhengguangying (Walker) >; dongyue (D) > Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's security b= aseline: Hi all, We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network infrastru= cture devices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security posture, or ca= ll it security baseline. Each draft covers one of the three planes of netwo= rk infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management plane. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00 The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall secu= rity posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to realize the= whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure network. Your comments are warmly welcome! B.R. Frank --_000_CY4PR09MB1495D769EA7360C06022E6AFF0940CY4PR09MB1495namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Panos,

 

At the last IETF me= eting we started discussing a charter update. I believe we are currently wa= iting on the chairs to start this discussion on the list. This will give th= e working group an opportunity to clarify this issue in the charter.

 

As far as endpoints, the definition that has been used for endpoints =
in the SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, which is “Any co=
mputing device that can be connected to a network.

   = ;   Such devices normally are associated with a particular link l= ayer

   = ;   address before joining the network and potentially an IP addr= ess

   = ;   once on the network.  This includes: laptops, desktops, = servers,

   &nbs= p;  cell phones, or any device that may have an IP address.”= ;

 

As most network devices are connected to networks, and often expose a=
 management interface that is IP addressable, I’d say they qualify as=
 endpoints. This view is also reflected in the SACM terminology, wh=
ich states “To further clarify the [RFC5209] definition, an endpoint is any
      physical or virtual device that may hav=
e a network address.  Note
      that, network infrastructure devices (e=
.g. switches, routers,
      firewalls), which fit the definition, a=
re also considered to be
      endpoints within this document.”<=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">=

 
This text squares with my original view of endpoints way back when we=
 were working on the original SACM charter.
 
Regards,
Dave

 

From: = sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM
To: Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; sacm@ietf.or= g
Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguan= gying (Walker) <zhengguangying@huawei.com>; dongyue (D) <dongyue6@= huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's= security baseline:

 =

When = checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network infrastru= cture or network elements. I believe SACM’s initial focus was on endp= oints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM’s charter as it is right now?

Panos=

=  

=  

From: = sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank)
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM
To: sacm@ietf.org
Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguangying (Walker) <zhengguangying@huawei.com>; dongyue= (D) <dongyue6@huawei.com>=
Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's sec= urity baseline:

 =

Hi all,

We just s= ubmit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network infrastructure dev= ices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security posture, or call it sec= urity baseline. Each draft covers one of the three planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control= plane, management plane.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00

&= nbsp;

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00<= /a>

&= nbsp;

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00

&nbs= p;

The goal = is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall security post= ure of the network infrastructure devices, in order to realize the whole li= fecycle security automation for the infrastructure network.

Your comm= ents are warmly welcome!

&nbs= p;

B.R.=

Frank

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(Fed)" , "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" , "sacm@ietf.org" CC: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying (Walker)" , "dongyue (D)" Thread-Topic: new drafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline: Thread-Index: AdMnr9yvyzoNHtmhQXuBvOw9Rg6/RAAVF6ZgAAFYTUAAEBIf8A== Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 02:39:44 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4c3aa43995df46dfbded53f39a912ca9@XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.159.76] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BB6A669DGGEML502MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.59B202FC.008E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.131, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: d87707ba009a80737d062153142aa83e Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] 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Hi Dave= and Panos,

I think= Dave gives a very clear and detailed clarification about the definition of= endpoints in SACM and the latest SACM plan, thanks.

&n= bsp;

I will = follow the SACM information model and the latest decision to update these d= rafts.

Any com= ments are welcome!

&n= bsp;

B.R.

Frank

&n= bsp;

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) [mailto:david.wa= ltermire@nist.gov]
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA9=D4=C28=C8=D5 3:01
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana); Xialiang (Frank); sacm@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangying (Walker); dongyue (D)
=D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: new drafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline:

 

Pano= s,

 

At t= he last IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I believe we a= re currently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion on the list. Th= is will give the working group an opportunity to clarify this issue in the charter.

 

As far as endpoints, the definition that h=
as been used for endpoints in the SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, wh=
ich is =A1=B0Any computing device that can be c=
onnected to a network.

&= nbsp;     Such devices normally are associated with a p= articular link layer

&= nbsp;     address before joining the network and potent= ially an IP address

&= nbsp;     once on the network.  This includes: lap= tops, desktops, servers,

&= nbsp;     cell phones, or any device that may have an I= P address.=A1=B1

 

As most network devices are connected to n=
etworks, and often expose a management interface that is IP addressable, I=
=A1=AFd say they qualify as endpoints. This view is also reflected in the S=
ACM terminology, which states =A1=B0To further =
clarify the [RFC520=
9] definition, an endpoint is any
      physical or virtua=
l device that may have a network address.  Note

      that, network infr=
astructure devices (e.g. switches, routers,


      firewalls), which =
fit the definition, are also considered to be


      endpoints within t=
his document.=A1=B1

 


This text squares with my original view of=
 endpoints way back when we were working on the original SACM charter.=



 


Regards,


Dave


 








From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM

To: Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>;
sacm@ietf.org

Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguangying (Walker) <zhengguangying@huawei.com>; dongyue=
 (D) <dongyue6@huawei.com>=


Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's=
 security baseline:






 


When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to ne=
twork infrastructure or network elements. I believe SACM=A1=AFs initial foc=
us was on endpoints. Do these three drafts
 even fall in SACM=A1=AFs charter as it is right now?


Panos


 


 






From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank)

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM

To: sacm@ietf.org

Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguangying (Walker) <zhengguangying@huawei.com>; dongyue=
 (D) <dongyue6@huawei.com>=


Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's sec=
urity baseline:






 


Hi all,


We just submit 3 drafts to spec=
ify the yang data model of network infrastructure devices (i.e., router, sw=
itch, firewall, etc) security posture, or call it security baseline. Each d=
raft covers one of the three planes
 of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management p=
lane.


https://tools.ietf.o=
rg/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00

 


https://tools.ietf.=
org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00<=
/p>

 


https://tools.ietf.o=
rg/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00

 


The goal is to facilitate the c=
ollection and assessment of the overall security posture of the network inf=
rastructure devices, in order to realize the whole lifecycle security autom=
ation for the infrastructure network.


Your comments are warmly welcom=
e!


 


B.R.


Frank
--_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BB6A669DGGEML502MBXchi_-- From nobody Fri Sep 8 06:34:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AC41323A3 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 06:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0F4OjKhSrX3 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 06:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D244A132153 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 06:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id b142so5766616ioe.1 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2017 06:34:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=b6oXtKLfFesZhfoVB6kPLX32lZNM6TYyO805M79W6A4=; b=dsW3HZV5tipjyzD86R09bt2rwDeeqPBYGRtTMVL12d89wt1gRO4OqKmlCDmXsR4AIy 69F3kYZQMPlRjwzh49qDW66R+HRWhtNDD8jiGRHXbhpprZGsWkHNWzD9qCUV/aDxPu/4 jwh/MYCWg+GGXNQDkBBrebo8piMZX7iKBu+3kklsg7TeVctwNKf+X7Vve/rTe99unnDJ fbOoCEAkaua2Wq7r4k2WK4FPFZn+lXOX/+UlZPbWtKSwpGvCxEaAXR8YbVyNaMsDFDEN PTyHppXifidRLslbgTgRq+aKgGDJoUE2h6tlw/GmjYoxVuk9o6WZVLcqkwrddT26HQnc /WoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=b6oXtKLfFesZhfoVB6kPLX32lZNM6TYyO805M79W6A4=; b=YO3x2CoDg4c/tyUwgx1t0sa6i6zMBo0zUhVh32NP/Nj/EHEMnMCWHehZb/LDdODLe5 4mzuANb+SS0VUxGy8mBkW9AsE1eR7TI5ojqRdN7tqry+1GLzNgo65VPl8ptB9SGITddn eEDVQwLcfPyR/SMvBkK0olD6pAKMQavIfHSoo4BmcDoGymbyJbymzRuL/V/i6Tt7reBw E027ytGrSYdvBH6fwXjTHJeT5ahJ9JKQ2bvKtqUhJaufIjKsNgD1+qiQAW6h1RqnGy0s MHiiPvTEs2SMHfeTrhZY2yRge9nEn8Dfn+f/i3/ZAaNXRhdogsgW4V8hrX30KAd5K8OP njaw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgmY0WIoH65kCHZsWQYAOWWxVpVgN95dTtmpPPGkoOuo6qYFFgC iPrC8C+40zGjxKJj7PHztqOSzuHRuw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBMbp9eBWBCkZKlzXwuuo8B9RuvsGy/HR69Fua8eMtKVt2SBgfxwmhpbMnC0iaxJlPfWYmcCVWO+zmw+A8ZpH8= X-Received: by 10.107.141.130 with SMTP id p124mr3220526iod.260.1504877645874; Fri, 08 Sep 2017 06:34:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4c3aa43995df46dfbded53f39a912ca9@XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:33:50 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Xialiang (Frank)" , "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Cc: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying (Walker)" , "dongyue (D)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05a5be834c6a0558ada1c5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBuZXcgZHJhZnRzIGFib3V0IG5ldHdvcmsg?= =?utf-8?q?infrastructure_device=27s_security_baseline=3A?= X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:34:10 -0000 --94eb2c05a5be834c6a0558ada1c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave's recollection regarding "endpoint" in SACM is correct - it's an old discussion that comes up from time to time, but because network devices are often addressable by IP, they're considered in the context of their management an endpoint. The charter could have been clearer, perhaps, and as we work toward a new charter (chairs will have something to the list very soon) the working group may choose to be more specific. Kind regards, Adam On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:40 PM Xialiang (Frank) wrote: > Hi Dave and Panos, > > I think Dave gives a very clear and detailed clarification about the > definition of endpoints in SACM and the latest SACM plan, thanks. > > > > I will follow the SACM information model and the latest decision to updat= e > these drafts. > > Any comments are welcome! > > > > B.R. > > Frank > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Waltermire, David A. (Fed) [mailto:david.w= altermire@nist.gov] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2017=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5= 3:01 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Panos Kampanakis (pkampana); Xialiang (Fra= nk); sacm@ietf.org > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangying (Walker); = dongyue (D) > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* RE: new drafts about network infrastructure device'= s security > baseline: > > > > Panos, > > > > At the last IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I believ= e > we are currently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion on the > list. This will give the working group an opportunity to clarify this iss= ue > in the charter. > > > > As far as endpoints, the definition that has been used for endpoints in t= he SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, which is =E2=80=9CAny computing d= evice that can be connected to a network. > > Such devices normally are associated with a particular link layer > > address before joining the network and potentially an IP address > > once on the network. This includes: laptops, desktops, servers, > > cell phones, or any device that may have an IP address.=E2=80=9D > > > > As most network devices are connected to networks, and often expose a man= agement interface that is IP addressable, I=E2=80=99d say they qualify as e= ndpoints. This view is also reflected in the SACM terminology, which states= =E2=80=9CTo further clarify the [RFC5209 ] definition, an endpoint is any > > physical or virtual device that may have a network address. Note > > that, network infrastructure devices (e.g. switches, routers, > > firewalls), which fit the definition, are also considered to be > > endpoints within this document.=E2=80=9D > > > > This text squares with my original view of endpoints way back when we wer= e working on the original SACM charter. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) > *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM > *To:* Xialiang (Frank) ; sacm@ietf.org > *Cc:* Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying > (Walker) ; dongyue (D) > *Subject:* Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's > security baseline: > > > > When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network > infrastructure or network elements. I believe SACM=E2=80=99s initial focu= s was on > endpoints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM=E2=80=99s charter as i= t is right > now? > > Panos > > > > > > *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Xialiang (Frank) > *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM > *To:* sacm@ietf.org > *Cc:* Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying > (Walker) ; dongyue (D) > *Subject:* [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's > security baseline: > > > > Hi all, > > We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network > infrastructure devices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security > posture, or call it security baseline. Each draft covers one of the three > planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, > management plane. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00 > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00 > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00 > > > > The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall > security posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to reali= ze > the whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure network. > > Your comments are warmly welcome! > > > > B.R. > > Frank > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c05a5be834c6a0558ada1c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave's recollection regarding "endpoint" in = SACM is correct - it's an old discussion that comes up from time to tim= e, but because network devices are often addressable by IP, they're con= sidered in the context of their management an endpoint. The charter could h= ave been clearer, perhaps, and as we work toward a new charter (chairs will= have something to the list very soon) the working group may choose to be m= ore specific.

Kind regards,

Ada= m

On Thu, Sep 7,= 2017 at 9:40 PM Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Dave= and Panos,

I think= Dave gives a very clear and detailed clarification about the definition of= endpoints in SACM and the latest SACM plan, thanks.

= =C2=A0

I will = follow the SACM information model and the latest decision to update these d= rafts.

Any com= ments are welcome!

= =C2=A0

B.R.=

Frank

= =C2=A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6= =E4=BA=BA: Waltermire, David A. = (Fed) [mailto:david.waltermire@nist.gov]
= =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 3:01
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana); Xialiang (Frank); sacm@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangying (Walker); dongyue (D)
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: new drafts about network infrastructure device's security b= aseline:

=C2=A0

Pano= s,

<= /u>=C2=A0

At t= he last IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I believe we a= re currently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion on the list. Th= is will give the working group an opportunity to clarify this issue in the charter.

<= /u>=C2=A0

As far as endpoints, the definition that h=
as been used for endpoints in the SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, wh=
ich is =E2=80=9CAny computing device that can b=
e connected to a network.

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Such devices normally are associated with a = particular link layer

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 address before joining the network and poten= tially an IP address

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 once on the network.=C2=A0 This includes: la= ptops, desktops, servers,

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0cell phones, or any device that may have an = IP address.=E2=80=9D

<= /u>=C2=A0

As most network devices are connected to n=
etworks, and often expose a management interface that is IP addressable, I=
=E2=80=99d say they qualify as endpoints. This view is also reflected in th=
e SACM terminology, which states =E2=80=9CTo fu=
rther clarify the [RFC5209] definition, an endpoint is any=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 physical or virtua=
l device that may have a network address.=C2=A0 Note

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that, network infr=
astructure devices (e.g. switches, routers,


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 firewalls), which =
fit the definition, are also considered to be


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 endpoints within t=
his document.=E2=80=9D


=C2=A0


This text squares with my original view of=
 endpoints way back when we were working on the original SACM charter.


=C2=A0


Regards,


Dave


<=
/u>=C2=A0








From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM

To: Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>;
sacm@ietf.org

Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguangying (Walker=
) <zhengg=
uangying@huawei.com>; dongyue (D) <dongyue6@huawei.com>

Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device&#=
39;s security baseline:






=C2=A0


When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to ne=
twork infrastructure or network elements. I believe SACM=E2=80=99s initial =
focus was on endpoints. Do these three drafts
 even fall in SACM=E2=80=99s charter as it is right now?


Panos


=C2=A0


=C2=A0






From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank)

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM

To: sacm@ietf.org=


Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguangying (Walker=
) <zhengg=
uangying@huawei.com>; dongyue (D) <dongyue6@huawei.com>

Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's=
 security baseline:






=C2=A0


Hi all,

We just submit 3 drafts to spec=
ify the yang data model of network infrastructure devices (i.e., router, sw=
itch, firewall, etc) security posture, or call it security baseline. Each d=
raft covers one of the three planes
 of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management p=
lane.


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-securi=
ty-baseline-00


=
=C2=A0


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-secu=
rity-baseline-00


=
=C2=A0


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-securi=
ty-baseline-00


=C2=A0


The goal is to facilitate the c=
ollection and assessment of the overall security posture of the network inf=
rastructure devices, in order to realize the whole lifecycle security autom=
ation for the infrastructure network.


Your comments are warmly welcom=
e!


=C2=A0


B.R.


Frank
_______________________________________________
sacm mailing list
sacm@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm
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All:

We have an upcoming virtual interi= m scheduled later this month on the 26th [1]. This note serves as a call to= the working group for agenda items to fit within the "open issues&quo= t; portion of the proposed agenda below:

* WG Stat= us - chairs - 5 minutes
* Rechartering discussion - chairs - 45 m= inutes
* Open Issues - TBD - 55 minutes
* Hackathon upd= ate - Adam - 5 minutes
* Way Forward - chairs - 10 minutes
<= div>
Please respond with your requests for agenda time, where= the focus may be on open issues for existing, active working group drafts = and introduction to new work.

Additionally, feel f= ree to bash this proposed agenda now, so that we don't have to do so du= ring our limited virtual interim time.

Kind regard= s,

Adam


--001a114a93f8da4b0a0558ae4042-- From nobody Fri Sep 8 13:12:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFE31321E6; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.60.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150490155859.17160.14518913714719396666@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:12:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sacm-ecp-00.txt X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 20:12:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring WG of the IETF. Title : Endpoint Compliance Profile Authors : Danny Haynes Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay Lisa Lorenzin Filename : draft-ietf-sacm-ecp-00.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2017-09-08 Abstract: This document specifies the Endpoint Compliance Profile, a high-level specification that describes a specific combination and application of IETF and TNC protocols and interfaces specifically designed to support ongoing assessment of endpoint posture and the controlled exposure of collected posture information to appropriate security applications. This document is a subset of the Trusted Computing Group's Endpoint Compliance Profile Version 1.0 specification. 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I'll send out a separate note about WebEx information for each, and I'll add those who participated (for whom I have e-mail addresses) to an explicit invitation so it gets on your calendars. Planning Session 1: https://doodle.com/poll/t7949qekm8bczuca Planning Session 2: https://doodle.com/poll/v3hzppcufy3iwx52 We'll run these starting next week (9/12) and for about 9 weeks, if possible. Kind regards, Adam On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 12:14 PM Adam Montville wrote: > I'm going to extend this by one more week. I was anticipating at least > four other interested folks. > > I'll close this poll at the end of the day Friday, September 8th, and call > the selected times on September 9th. > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:29 AM Adam Montville < > adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Hope you're all having a great week. If you'd like to participate in the >> IETF 100 hackathon, please participate in the following two Doodle polls. >> The first poll will select a *weekly* time for a 30-minute session at the >> beginning of each week, and the second poll will select a *weekly* time for >> a similar 30-minute session at the end of each week. The idea is to, each >> week, have two 30-minute sessions rather than one hour-long session. >> >> Session 1 Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/t7949qekm8bczuca >> >> Session 2 Poll: https://doodle.com/poll/v3hzppcufy3iwx52 >> >> It'd be great to hold our first session early in the week of September >> 11, so let's close this poll on 9/1. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Adam >> >> >> --94eb2c07d1b4f86a340558bf4687 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello SACM

Below are the results of our= Doodle polls - thanks to all of you who are planning to participate.=C2=A0=

I'll send out a separate note about WebEx inf= ormation for each, and I'll add those who participated (for whom I have= e-mail addresses) to an explicit invitation so it gets on your calendars.<= /div>

Planning Session 1:=C2=A0https://doodle.com/poll/t7949qekm8bczuca=C2= =A0






I'm = going to extend this by one more week. I was anticipating at least four oth= er interested folks.

I'll close this poll at the end= of the day Friday, September 8th, and call the selected times on September= 9th.

Kind regards,

Adam<= /div>


On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:29 AM Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.c= om> wrote:
= Hi.

Hope you're all having a great week. If you'= d like to participate in the IETF 100 hackathon, please participate in the = following two Doodle polls. The first poll will select a *weekly* time for = a 30-minute session at the beginning of each week, and the second poll will= select a *weekly* time for a similar 30-minute session at the end of each = week. The idea is to, each week, have two 30-minute sessions rather than on= e hour-long session.=C2=A0

Session 1 Poll:=C2=A0https:= //doodle.com/poll/t7949qekm8bczuca=C2=A0

Sessi= on 2 Poll:=C2=A0https://doodle.com/poll/v3hzppcufy3iwx52=C2=A0
It'd be great to hold our first session early in the week = of September 11, so let's close this poll on 9/1.

<= div>Kind regards,

Adam

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WebEx information for weekly planning session 1:

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Meeting N= umber:=C2=A0644 210 539
Meeting Password: N93Bh5Th

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Audio connection:
1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free num= ber (US/Canada)
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WebEx information for weekly planning session 2:

<= /div>

Meet= ing Number:=C2=A0648 256 352
Meeting Password: Vx7fcdxD

Audio connection:
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Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" Cc: "Xialiang (Frank)" , "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" , "sacm@ietf.org" , "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying (Walker)" , "dongyue (D)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBuZXcgZHJhZnRzIGFib3V0IG5ldHdvcmsg?= =?utf-8?q?infrastructure_device=27s_security_baseline=3A?= X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 21:26:48 -0000 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: > Hi Frank, > > > > It is not clear to me why we couldn=E2=80=99t reference the work and attr= ibutes > already being worked on in NETMOD and perhaps i2nsf? While I agree that > SACM includes network elements as endpoints, I think we can leverage work > already being defined by other working groups. Yes, I agree with Nancy. If the work exists already, it should be referenced. YANG is the preferred method and there appears to be direct copy and paste from IPFIX and other technologies. Best regards, Kathleen > > > > Warm regards, Nancy > > > > > > > > From: sacm on behalf of "Xialiang (Frank)" > > Date: Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:39 PM > To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , Panos > Kampanakis , "sacm@ietf.org" > Cc: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying > (Walker)" , "dongyue (D)" > Subject: [sacm] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: new drafts about network infrastructu= re device's > security baseline: > > > > Hi Dave and Panos, > > I think Dave gives a very clear and detailed clarification about the > definition of endpoints in SACM and the latest SACM plan, thanks. > > > > I will follow the SACM information model and the latest decision to updat= e > these drafts. > > Any comments are welcome! > > > > B.R. > > Frank > > > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) [mailto:david.wal= termire@nist.gov] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 3= :01 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana); Xialiang (Frank= ); sacm@ietf.org > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangying (Walker); do= ngyue (D) > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: new drafts about network infrastructure device's = security baseline: > > > > Panos, > > > > At the last IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I believ= e > we are currently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion on the li= st. > This will give the working group an opportunity to clarify this issue in = the > charter. > > > > As far as endpoints, the definition that has been used for endpoints in t= he > SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, which is =E2=80=9CAny computing de= vice that > can be connected to a network. > > Such devices normally are associated with a particular link layer > > address before joining the network and potentially an IP address > > once on the network. This includes: laptops, desktops, servers, > > cell phones, or any device that may have an IP address.=E2=80=9D > > > > As most network devices are connected to networks, and often expose a > management interface that is IP addressable, I=E2=80=99d say they qualify= as > endpoints. This view is also reflected in the SACM terminology, which sta= tes > =E2=80=9CTo further clarify the [RFC5209] definition, an endpoint is any > > physical or virtual device that may have a network address. Note > > that, network infrastructure devices (e.g. switches, routers, > > firewalls), which fit the definition, are also considered to be > > endpoints within this document.=E2=80=9D > > > > This text squares with my original view of endpoints way back when we wer= e > working on the original SACM charter. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis > (pkampana) > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM > To: Xialiang (Frank) ; sacm@ietf.org > Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying (Walk= er) > ; dongyue (D) > Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's > security baseline: > > > > When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network > infrastructure or network elements. I believe SACM=E2=80=99s initial focu= s was on > endpoints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM=E2=80=99s charter as i= t is right > now? > > Panos > > > > > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank) > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM > To: sacm@ietf.org > Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying (Walk= er) > ; dongyue (D) > Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's security > baseline: > > > > Hi all, > > We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network > infrastructure devices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security > posture, or call it security baseline. Each draft covers one of the three > planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, > management plane. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00 > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00 > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00 > > > > The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall > security posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to reali= ze > the whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure network. > > Your comments are warmly welcome! > > > > B.R. > > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Mon Sep 11 19:01:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C3A13292E for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U9tvmh37XV60 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD7C9132811 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DVG28631; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 02:01:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.32) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 03:01:30 +0100 Received: from DGGEML502-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.131]) by DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::89ed:853e:30a9:2a79%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 10:01:17 +0800 From: "Xialiang (Frank)" To: Kathleen Moriarty , "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" CC: "Waltermire, David A. 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Use this issue to discuss the anticipated scope of the hackathon. During the last hackathon, we essentially had two tables working separately. Both efforts were successful, and then during the SACM session at IETF 99 there was in-room support for merging the two efforts in a continuation for the IETF 100 hackathon.

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(Fed)" , "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" , "sacm@ietf.org" , "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying (Walker)" , "dongyue (D)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAg562U5aSNOiBuZXcgZHJhZnRzIGFib3V0?= =?utf-8?q?_network_infrastructure_device=27s_security_baseline=3A?= X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:34:39 -0000 Hello Frank, Thanks for your response, inline. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Xialiang (Frank) wrote: > Hi Nancy, Kathleen, > Your point make sense. Let me explain our intention as below: > 1. Our objective is to specify the security posture (we call it security = baseline in the documents) of network devices, like router, switch or maybe= FW. By collecting and evaluating them, to meet the SACM requirements on ne= twork device as endpoint. We only focus on the security baseline informatio= n; > 2. Current -00 version of drafts do not have the contents about: how to e= ncapsulate the security baseline information into SACM Information Model, h= ow to send them to the collector by YANG push and pub/sub mechanisms, and h= ow to adapt these information into SACM protocol, we will address these iss= ues in following updated versions; > 3. we do find that some YANG model has been defined in IETF WGs like netm= od, i2rs, i2nsf, etc. But we also observe that: there are still some YANG m= odel related with device security baseline are not defined yet (i.e., URPF,= CPU defend, Keychain, Remote Login Security, etc); Even some YANG model (i= .e., BGP, OSPF, SNMP, etc) has been defined in IETF, their security configu= ration and status part are not completed and have potential room for improv= ement. If we find the existing contents as you pointed, we'd like to refere= nce them and will not reinvent the wheel. > > In summary, we want to follow the SACM Information Model and protocol, an= d extend the YANG push and pub/sub mechanisms to systematically specify the= security baseline data model in SACM WG. Please use the Yangcatalog.org site to identify the YANG modules that already exist for the data that can be collected. The next step would be to figure out if certain information is not available, what YANG modules should be extended to gather that information. Or to create new YANG modules for that purpose. Since you are talking about network devices, YANG is the way to go right now as that is where industry is heading. Thank you, Kathleen > > B.R. > Frank > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.= ietf@gmail.com] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8812=E6=97=A5 = 5:26 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Xialiang (Frank); Waltermire, David A. (Fed); Panos K= ampanakis (pkampana); sacm@ietf.org; Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangyi= ng (Walker); dongyue (D) > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [sacm] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: new drafts about netwo= rk infrastructure device's security baseline: > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: >> Hi Frank, >> >> >> >> It is not clear to me why we couldn=E2=80=99t reference the work and >> attributes already being worked on in NETMOD and perhaps i2nsf? While >> I agree that SACM includes network elements as endpoints, I think we >> can leverage work already being defined by other working groups. > > Yes, I agree with Nancy. If the work exists already, it should be refere= nced. YANG is the preferred method and there appears to be direct copy and= paste from IPFIX and other technologies. > > Best regards, > Kathleen >> >> >> >> Warm regards, Nancy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: sacm on behalf of "Xialiang (Frank)" >> >> Date: Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:39 PM >> To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , Panos >> Kampanakis , "sacm@ietf.org" >> Cc: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying >> (Walker)" , "dongyue (D)" >> >> Subject: [sacm] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: new drafts about network infrastruct= ure device's >> security baseline: >> >> >> >> Hi Dave and Panos, >> >> I think Dave gives a very clear and detailed clarification about the >> definition of endpoints in SACM and the latest SACM plan, thanks. >> >> >> >> I will follow the SACM information model and the latest decision to >> update these drafts. >> >> Any comments are welcome! >> >> >> >> B.R. >> >> Frank >> >> >> >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) [mailto:david.wa= ltermire@nist.gov] >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 = 3:01 >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana); Xialiang (Fran= k); sacm@ietf.org >> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangying (Walker); d= ongyue (D) >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: new drafts about network infrastructure device's= security baseline: >> >> >> >> Panos, >> >> >> >> At the last IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I >> believe we are currently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion = on the list. >> This will give the working group an opportunity to clarify this issue >> in the charter. >> >> >> >> As far as endpoints, the definition that has been used for endpoints >> in the SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, which is =E2=80=9CAny comp= uting >> device that can be connected to a network. >> >> Such devices normally are associated with a particular link >> layer >> >> address before joining the network and potentially an IP address >> >> once on the network. This includes: laptops, desktops, servers, >> >> cell phones, or any device that may have an IP address.=E2=80=9D >> >> >> >> As most network devices are connected to networks, and often expose a >> management interface that is IP addressable, I=E2=80=99d say they qualif= y as >> endpoints. This view is also reflected in the SACM terminology, which >> states =E2=80=9CTo further clarify the [RFC5209] definition, an endpoint= is >> any >> >> physical or virtual device that may have a network address. >> Note >> >> that, network infrastructure devices (e.g. switches, routers, >> >> firewalls), which fit the definition, are also considered to be >> >> endpoints within this document.=E2=80=9D >> >> >> >> This text squares with my original view of endpoints way back when we >> were working on the original SACM charter. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Panos >> Kampanakis >> (pkampana) >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM >> To: Xialiang (Frank) ; sacm@ietf.org >> Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying >> (Walker) ; dongyue (D) >> >> Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's >> security baseline: >> >> >> >> When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network >> infrastructure or network elements. I believe SACM=E2=80=99s initial foc= us was >> on endpoints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM=E2=80=99s charter = as it >> is right now? >> >> Panos >> >> >> >> >> >> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang >> (Frank) >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM >> To: sacm@ietf.org >> Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying >> (Walker) ; dongyue (D) >> >> Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's >> security >> baseline: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network >> infrastructure devices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security >> posture, or call it security baseline. Each draft covers one of the >> three planes of network infrastructure devices: data plane, control >> plane, management plane. >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00 >> >> >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-0 >> 0 >> >> >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00 >> >> >> >> The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall >> security posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to >> realize the whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure n= etwork. >> >> Your comments are warmly welcome! >> >> >> >> B.R. >> >> Frank >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sacm mailing list >> sacm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >> > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Tue Sep 12 07:13:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C719D13307B for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuhIFp5C35A6 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F412133052 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id n69so46703639ioi.5 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:13:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LpFGrZ3fkGNmPwT2UjUt7RdGFpMV+2RFLwgicGSMvss=; b=m+Hsyv7ofqBIEhQIbFTlvUyKWApYtEL0O2B+mnbfS5ydGY9LkwCAOmvg0YODjC8Z8O 0MdJKR5huq99/5jCTnoIybBGuRgehIXonpDZ18WayEoDYlq4KskDW155+SMDObxeamTt HTJIDgOjew+SLuAJmKGOsl2N+RyAXlELSSuLkGGstf1n2XLmCNEDOiYucIvkiQAIfjrP kBaAGNqXp1/NY9yv8JdzyvhvGPIG7upGzsRIXyR0RvenjNLUGdtuko+fNA8lLv5L4MmR VgVMRcmCo5plw3tfocWsVaKTqqQv9+jc48GzKvIDg7lJrbkJCu8/qx87HTKXm4o/FJYh toCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LpFGrZ3fkGNmPwT2UjUt7RdGFpMV+2RFLwgicGSMvss=; b=huXAtEl1NkLPa1CA8sgSKZwvrLCIxA08QF2M/CpHcdcZxIjfvEr0lr7WbAzfWO5Hr6 gI1TWjyeBeBCZwSdAB+QyCrhA/NAt47iKDIIbv9qFpbGAzRGvynZEoIxLejNE+34MWwQ Uj6BSgGC4nQ3RnFmeUoX/s1q8Ck2F7SVdMyhsbBSGpSJFhM9ld8MQgnur3W2huOSDJQm 7PW5Pe2wmlmLal9tz9PdUgNxXJwIS7AHFb3VBPH5P5d4ZMYNOUfQkvY0tp2Ej+pQJXjM 3lDpwICOzU7Kb1a3FDKicRReJmysI2nVTPquCvvNBU6CJvATFu9r7G5cmdAojEUTMvQa 4awQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgwnPgEbm/iZ/mxMBP40D3PTIUk6DKkPXnLRsEnsNb1V4peLNE2 vNo4W/pOQh2GqRDgLfMHsQQZO7ta/s1i X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDFmBId7YDA1pjBUaBNukDfNDJxMtr56dvOqPcgXZ+JRf1Pk36VpGjfTRGr4fZwQK4UaPxxQj86QNYtnowJHNY= X-Received: by 10.107.29.149 with SMTP id d143mr20717211iod.201.1505225604008; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:13:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adam Montville Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:13:13 +0000 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140aa366f1fa10558fea502" Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] SACM Hackathon Planning Recording X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:13:33 -0000 --001a1140aa366f1fa10558fea502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all. We ended up recording today's planning meeting, so that we could get the information to one of the participants who had been experiencing audio difficulties. The recording download is here: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/lsr.php?RCID=37331d137da496b52f9c414c0d4caa3c The recording stream is here: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/ldr.php?RCID=3776f497f7aba98a96fc811bcc4a5f5d There was a bit of a contentious debate about scoping the hackathon absent an ongoing rechartering effort. The specific concern was that the rechartering discussion may unintentionally push the hackathon scope into "out of charter" territory, thus causing the hackathon effort to pivot and toss away work already done. Even though that risk seems low, the chairs will get the recharter discussion kicked off today. While the recharter discussion is ongoing, we will continue to hold the hackathon planning meetings. 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Hi all.=C2=A0

We ended up recording tod= ay's planning meeting, so that we could get the information to one of t= he participants who had been experiencing audio difficulties.


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There was a bit of a contentious debate about scoping the hac= kathon absent an ongoing rechartering effort. The specific concern was that= the rechartering discussion may unintentionally push the hackathon scope i= nto "out of charter" territory, thus causing the hackathon effort= to pivot and toss away work already done. Even though that risk seems low,= the chairs will get the recharter discussion kicked off today.=C2=A0
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While the recharter discussion is ongoing, we will cont= inue to hold the hackathon planning meetings.

Kind= regards,

Adam
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[209.6.124.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d205sm8634950qke.56.2017.09.12.17.55.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5738671B-BABD-42E0-9AB0-92D97DFBD210 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Kathleen Moriarty X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14F89) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:55:30 -0400 Cc: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "Xialiang (Frank)" , "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" , "sacm@ietf.org" , "Linqiushi \\(Jessica, SCC\\)" , "Zhengguangying \\(Walker\\)" , "dongyue \\(D\\)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6E7AD788-0FAC-4920-B03D-BB9227F8D343@gmail.com> References: <808ED0DE-508A-47FA-A9F0-CD60CF586A79@cisco.com> To: Jerome Athias Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBuZXcgZHJhZnRzIGFib3V0IG5ldHdvcmsg?= =?utf-8?q?infrastructure_device=27s_security_baseline=3A?= X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:55:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5738671B-BABD-42E0-9AB0-92D97DFBD210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The problem with OVAL is that this is specific to network devices and we'd b= e asking vendors to implement something else. They've made an investment in= YANG, so we can get traction and support. OVAL would be great for platform= s where there is already support. Best, Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Jerome Athias w= rote: >=20 > OVAL >=20 >=20 >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: >> Hi Frank, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> It is not clear to me why we couldn=E2=80=99t reference the work and attr= ibutes already being worked on in NETMOD and perhaps i2nsf? While I agree t= hat SACM includes network elements as endpoints, I think we can leverage wor= k already being defined by other working groups. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Warm regards, Nancy >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: sacm on behalf of "Xialiang (Frank)" >> Date: Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:39 PM >> To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , Panos Kampa= nakis , "sacm@ietf.org" >> Cc: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" , "Zhengguangying (W= alker)" , "dongyue (D)" >> Subject: [sacm] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: new drafts about network infrastructu= re device's security baseline: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Hi Dave and Panos, >>=20 >> I think Dave gives a very clear and detailed clarification about the defi= nition of endpoints in SACM and the latest SACM plan, thanks. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> I will follow the SACM information model and the latest decision to updat= e these drafts. >>=20 >> Any comments are welcome! >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> B.R. >>=20 >> Frank >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) [mailto:david.wal= termire@nist.gov]=20 >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 3= :01 >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana); Xialiang (Frank= ); sacm@ietf.org >> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangying (Walker); do= ngyue (D) >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: new drafts about network infrastructure device's s= ecurity baseline: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Panos, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> At the last IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I believ= e we are currently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion on the lis= t. This will give the working group an opportunity to clarify this issue in t= he charter. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> As far as endpoints, the definition that has been used for endpoints in t= he SACM charter is the one from RFC 5209, which is "Any computing device tha= t can be connected to a network. >> Such devices normally are associated with a particular link layer >>=20 >> address before joining the network and potentially an IP address >>=20 >> once on the network. This includes: laptops, desktops, servers, >>=20 >> cell phones, or any device that may have an IP address." >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> As most network devices are connected to networks, and often expose a man= agement interface that is IP addressable, I=E2=80=99d say they qualify as en= dpoints. This view is also reflected in the SACM terminology, which states "= To further clarify the [RFC5209] definition, an endpoint is any >> physical or virtual device that may have a network address. Note >> that, network infrastructure devices (e.g. switches, routers, >> firewalls), which fit the definition, are also considered to be >> endpoints within this document." >> =20 >> This text squares with my original view of endpoints way back when we wer= e working on the original SACM charter. >> =20 >> Regards, >> Dave >> =20 >>=20 >> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis (= pkampana) >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM >> To: Xialiang (Frank) ; sacm@ietf.org >> Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying (Walk= er) ; dongyue (D) >> Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's secu= rity baseline: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to network in= frastructure or network elements. I believe SACM=E2=80=99s initial focus was= on endpoints. Do these three drafts even fall in SACM=E2=80=99s charter as i= t is right now? >>=20 >> Panos >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank) >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM >> To: sacm@ietf.org >> Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) ; Zhengguangying (Walk= er) ; dongyue (D) >> Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's security= baseline: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Hi all, >>=20 >> We just submit 3 drafts to specify the yang data model of network infrast= ructure devices (i.e., router, switch, firewall, etc) security posture, or c= all it security baseline. Each draft covers one of the three planes of netwo= rk infrastructure devices: data plane, control plane, management plane. >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> The goal is to facilitate the collection and assessment of the overall se= curity posture of the network infrastructure devices, in order to realize th= e whole lifecycle security automation for the infrastructure network. >>=20 >> Your comments are warmly welcome! >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> B.R. >>=20 >> Frank >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --Apple-Mail-5738671B-BABD-42E0-9AB0-92D97DFBD210 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The problem with OVAL is that this is s= pecific to network devices and we'd be asking vendors to implement something= else.  They've made an investment in YANG, so we can get traction and s= upport.  OVAL would be great for platforms where there is already suppo= rt.

Best,
Kathleen 

Sent fr= om my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Jerome Athias <jerome.athias@protonmail.com> wrote:

OVAL


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) &= lt;ncamwing@cisco.com&g= t; wrote:

Hi Frank= ,

&nb= sp;

It is no= t clear to me why we couldn=E2=80=99t reference the work and attributes alre= ady being worked on in NETMOD and perhaps i2nsf?  While I agree that SA= CM includes network elements as endpoints, I think we can leverage work already being defined by other working groups.

&nb= sp;

Warm reg= ards, Nancy

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

&nb= sp;

From: <= /span>sacm <sacm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Xialiang (Frank)" &l= t;frank.xialiang@huawei.com= >
Date: Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:39 PM
To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>, Panos Kampanakis <pkampana@cisco.com>, "sacm@ietf.org" <sac= m@ietf.org>
Cc: "Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC)" <linqiushi@huawei.com>, "Zhengguangying (Walker)" <zhengguangying@huawei.com>, "dongy= ue (D)" <dongyue6@huawei.com&g= t;
Subject: [sacm] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: new d= rafts about network infrastructure device's security baseline:

 

Hi Dave and= Panos,

I think Dav= e gives a very clear and detailed clarification about the definition of endp= oints in SACM and the latest SACM plan, thanks.

 

I will foll= ow the SACM information model and the latest decision to update these drafts= .

Any comment= s are welcome!

 

B.R.=

Frank

 

=E5= =8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) [mailto:david.waltermire@nist.gov]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5= 3:01
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana); Xialiang (Fra= nk); sacm@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC); Zhengguangying (Walker)= ; dongyue (D)
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: new drafts about network infrastructure devic= e's security baseline:

=  

Panos,

 

At the l= ast IETF meeting we started discussing a charter update. I believe we are cu= rrently waiting on the chairs to start this discussion on the list. This wil= l give the working group an opportunity to clarify this issue in the charter.

  

As far as endpoints, the d=
efinition that has been used for endpoints in the SACM charter is the one fr=
om RFC 5209, which is "Any computing device that can be connected to a netwo=
rk.

=  &= nbsp;    Such devices normally are associated with a particul= ar link layer

=  &= nbsp;    address before joining the network and potentially a= n IP address

=  &= nbsp;    once on the network.  This includes: laptops, d= esktops, servers,

=   &= nbsp;   cell phones, or any device that may have an IP addres= s."

  

As most network devices ar=
e connected to networks, and often expose a management interface that is IP a=
ddressable, I=E2=80=99d say they qualify as endpoints. This view is also ref=
lected in the SACM terminology, which states "To further clarify the [RFC5209] definition, an=
 endpoint is any
      physical or virtual device that may=
 have a network address.  Note
      that, network infrastructure device=
s (e.g. switches, routers,
      firewalls), which fit the definitio=
n, are also considered to be
      endpoints within this document."
 
            
This text squares with my o=
riginal view of endpoints way back when we were working on the original SACM=
 charter.

            
 
            
Regards,=


            
Dave
            
 
                
            

            

                

                    

                        
From: sacm [mailto:sa=
cm-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 2:11 PM

To: Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>;
sacm@ietf.org

Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguangying (Walker) <zhengguangying@huawei.com>; dongyue (D=
) <dongyue6@huawei.com>
=

Subject: Re: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's s=
ecurity baseline:
                            
                        

                    

                

                
 
                    
                

                
When checking the SACM charter, I do not see any references to net=
work infrastructure or network elements. I believe SACM=E2=80=99s initial fo=
cus was on endpoints. Do these three drafts even fall in
 SACM=E2=80=99s charter as it is right now?
                    
                

                
Panos
                    
                

                
 
                    
                

                
 
                    
                

                

                    

                        
From: sacm [mailto:sa=
cm-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank)

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:05 AM

To: sacm@ietf.org

Cc: Linqiushi (Jessica, SCC) <linqiushi@huawei.com>; Zhengguangying (Walker) <zhengguangying@huawei.com>; dongyue (D=
) <dongyue6@huawei.com>
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Subject: [sacm] new drafts about network infrastructure device's secu=
rity baseline:
                            
                        

                    

                

                
 
                    
                

                
Hi all,
                    
                

                
We just submit 3 drafts to specify th=
e yang data model of network infrastructure devices (i.e., router, switch, f=
irewall, etc) security posture, or call it security baseline. Each draft cov=
ers one of the three planes of network infrastructure
                    devices: data plane, control plane, management plane.
                    
                

                
https://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-xia-sacm-nid-dp-security-baseline-00
                    
                

                
 
                    
                

                
https://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-dong-sacm-nid-cp-security-baseline-00
                    
                

                
 
                    
                

                
https://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-lin-sacm-nid-mp-security-baseline-00
                    
                

                
 
                    
                

                
The goal is to facilitate the collect=
ion and assessment of the overall security posture of the network infrastruc=
ture devices, in order to realize the whole lifecycle security automation fo=
r the infrastructure network.
                    
                

                
Your comments are warmly welcome!
                    
                

                
 
                    
                

                
B.R.
                    
                

                
Frank
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A draft charter was posted to the mailing list: https://mailarch= ive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sacm/O1GxmdrJrWRLA5xpEE0RP4PgWw0

Please opine on the charter specifically on mailing list - we'll leave t= his issue "in progress" until the charter is finalized. I encourage everyon= e to offer their support and/or constructive suggestions for the charter.

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Now that the draft charter has been posted (see https://mail= archive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sacm/O1GxmdrJrWRLA5xpEE0RP4PgWw0), we can e= xpect the charter discussion to progress. In the meantime, it would be go= od to start considering how this hackathon effort may be impacted by the = proposed charter.

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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:34:59 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Karen O'Donoghue, a Chair of the sacm working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Karen O'Donoghue Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: acme anima cfrg core dots i2nsf ipsecme mile ntp saag tictoc trans Second Priority: radext ace netmod curdle tls oauth People who must be present: Karen O'Donoghue Kathleen Moriarty Adam W. 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:29:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c218be924f4_76a13f9be55fcf88481da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, thank you for catching that. the revised YANG datatstore draft refers to "intended", IIRC. But - this is= from a management perspective, not from a security pov. In consequence, (also, if not to late), referencing the intended metadata o= rigin type, illustrating the difference (if any - I am pretty certain there= is a subtle one) would be nice to have - and deciding on (if there is - an= d I am rathee certain there is) the equivalence of CC'ish "policy compliant= " and "expected collection results" should be done. It is not bad if it is too late here, we can consolidate/resolve this in th= e terminology document at any time. Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Henk p.s. sry 4 my radio silence. I was absent rather unexpected for a while. On September 14, 2017 8:16:49 PM GMT+02:00, sacm = wrote: >It's probably too late, but the verbiage " 4. Compare actual element >values to expected element values" has always bugged me. Usually the >comparison is to make a compliance or vulnerability judgement, so >you're generally either comparing the actual element values to element >values that indicate known vulnerable states, or that indicate when >elements are in or out of compliance with a policy. Neither of those >operations really address "expected element values". Sometimes, for an >inventory use case, the elements are just collected and evaluated to >determine which additional elements must be collected and evaluated to >inform a vulnerability or compliance evaluation. > >I suppose my specific objection is the use of the word "expected."=20 >Could you use "acceptable" or "policy compliant" instead? > >That said, firming up the charter is a pretty basic group function that >is overdue for this effort. I applaud your action in trying to get it >done. > >Joseph L. Wolfkiel >SCM Engineering Lead >DISA ID52 >Fort Meade DISA Acquisiton Bldg Cube A4A58E >Work: (301) 225-8820 >Gov Cell: (571) 814-8231 >Joseph.L.Wolfkiel.civ@mail.mil > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of adammontville >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:54 AM >To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario > >Cc: Subscribed >Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario] >Validate Hackathon (100) Scope (#30) > >All active links contained in this email were disabled. Please verify >the identity of the sender, and confirm the authenticity of all links >contained within the message prior to copying and pasting the address >to a Web browser.=20 > > >________________________________ > > > > >Now that the draft charter has been posted (see >Caution-https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sacm/O1GxmdrJrWRLA5xpEE0RP4P= gWw0 >< >Caution-https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sacm/O1GxmdrJrWRLA5xpEE0RP4P= gWw0 >> ), we can expect the charter discussion to progress. In the meantime, >it would be good to start considering how this hackathon effort may be >impacted by the proposed charter. > >Please opine here. > >=E2=80=94 >You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. >Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub < >Caution-https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/issues/30#issueco= mment-329526818 >> , or mute the thread < >Caution-https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AKbE0XIBK7fTVDg9= S2f_Pj2d0f54Mc8iks5siUwbgaJpZM4PUoUD >> . > > > > > >--=20 >You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. >Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: >https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/issues/30#issuecomment-32= 9566179 --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. --=20 You are receiving this because you commented. 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thank you for catching that.

the revised YANG datatstore draft refers to "intended", IIRC. But= - this is from a management perspective, not from a security pov.

In consequence, (also, if not to late), referencing the intended metadata o= rigin type, illustrating the difference (if any - I am pretty certain there= is a subtle one) would be nice to have - and deciding on (if there is - an= d I am rathee certain there is) the equivalence of CC'ish "policy = compliant" and "expected collection results" should be done.=

It is not bad if it is too late here, we can consolidate/resolve this in th= e terminology document at any time.

Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe,

Henk

p.s. sry 4 my radio silence. I was absent rather unexpected for a while.



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>It's probably too late, but the verbiage " 4. Compare actual e= lement
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In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:12:45 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , Jerome Athias , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114a93f88017800559b55db3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Today's Hackathon Meeting X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:12:59 -0000 --001a114a93f88017800559b55db3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point, Dave. On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:20 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > I believe we will need to cancel the Hackathon meeting for Tuesday since > it coincides with the SACM virtual meeting. I guess that doesn=E2=80=99t = stop us > from talking about the Hackathon. J > > > > Dave > > > > *From:* sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerome Athias > *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:24 AM > *To:* Adam Montville ; sacm@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [sacm] Today's Hackathon Meeting > > > > I am afraid same here > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Adam Montville < > adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote: > > All: > > > > For those of you planning to join today's hackathon meeting, I had to > cancel. We'll pick up again on Tuesday. Apologies for the late notice. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Adam > > --001a114a93f88017800559b55db3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point, Dave.=C2=A0

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:20 AM Waltermire, David A. (Fe= d) <david.waltermire@nist.g= ov> wrote:

I believe we will need to cancel the Hackathon meet= ing for Tuesday since it coincides with the SACM virtual meeting. I guess t= hat doesn=E2=80=99t stop us from talking about the Hackathon. J<= /u>

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Dave

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From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jerome Athias
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>; sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Today's Hackathon Meeting

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I am afraid same here

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On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Adam Montville <= adam.w.mont= ville@gmail.com> wrote:

All:

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For those of you planning to join today's hackat= hon meeting, I had to cancel. We'll pick up again on Tuesday. Apologies= for the late notice.

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Kind regards,

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Adam

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(Fed)" , "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c196cf8acd4090559ba74e1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:17:24 -0000 --94eb2c196cf8acd4090559ba74e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if we adhered to Karen's initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the milestone process and not include them in the base charter"? On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > Comments inline below. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam- > > Winget (ncamwing) > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM > > To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) ; > > sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > Please see my comments below: > > > > On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" > > wrote: > > > > All, > > > > After discussion with a few other SACM document authors this versio= n > of > > the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are > > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items > section > > that covers other work currently being done in the WG. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on this proposed > > draft update? > > > > Thanks, > > Stephen Banghart > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------ > > > > SACM Charter Proposal > > 2017-09-12 > > > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and > transmit > > that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, > and many > > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to > focus on > > high priority tasks . > > > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, whic= h > the > > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner > capable > > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > > > 1. Describe target endpoints > > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > > 4. Compare actual element values to expected element values > > 5. Make results available > > > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and > orchestration > > and communication, as described herein. > > > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two > types > > of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms= : > > > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > > > When classified , a set of instructions (such as vulnerability > description > > data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation > > classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the > control > > plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below= ). > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a > collector can > > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles > will not > > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria langua= ge > > enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against > desired > > endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > > operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string > manipulation. > > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that > allows > > data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a > set > > of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > > between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by > > posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SA= CM > > architectural components. > > > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > enterprise > > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the > > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group > will, > > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > > [NCW] I think we need to incorporate > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf- > > sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definition= s > > beyond =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cposture=E2=80=9D > > [daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting > to add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work > item, but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the > charter. We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.] > > > > > Specific work items will include the following: > > > > - The WG will define a way to provide two types of imperative > guidance to > > the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from > and 2) > > what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of > > instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter > expressions, > > can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyin= g > > beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set > of > > capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > > > - The WG will describe a criteria language capable of being > evaluated > > against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. > The > > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, > > and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough to > be > > applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. > Additionally, this > > document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > > collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > > > - The WG will define a control plane function to enable the > discovery and > > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informatio= n > > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an example= , > a > > document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transfe= r > > protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed = to > > demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM. > > > > - A method of expressing software metadata is needed that is > suitable for > > use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track docume= nt > > that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to > > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 > Software > > Identification (SWID) tag standard. > > [NCW] I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as software > metadata > > could also be represented with the Yang model? Perhaps the intent is t= o > > show this as one example for how it can be expressed? That is, there a= re > > other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be > leveraged. > > [daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, > which is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with > work on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be > worked on. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identifi= ed > an existing portion of adopted SACM work as something we plan to complete > under this revised charter. This does not exclude working on YANG models = in > SACM or elsewhere that relate to software.] > > > > > - To support collection of posture information from traditional > computing > > devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards > track > > documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of > > information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF > NEA. > > > > - To provide for the integration of multiple standards to support > posture > > information collection, the WG will define best practices for the > collection of > > posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fro= m > > which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. > > [NCW] This seems to > > > > -The WG will define standards track documents describing extensions > to > > the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of > > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative > > guidance. > > [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID, there can be > > other means for providing information exchange. For example, using Yan= g > > model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange. > > [daw: This work item addresses > draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredescriptor (which has been adopted) and > draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software > descriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID > information (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide > golden measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other > security automation/assessment related use cases. Configuration setting > checklists expressed in a machine readable form are another example of > imperative guidance that can be exchanged over ROLIE with the definition = of > a proper extension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive > collection and evaluation by defining what needs to be gathered and what > the expected state must be according to policy. ROLIE exchanges are > different than the exchanges supported by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are > focused on endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges of current state. Both the > vendor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges are needed = in > my view, since they support different aspects of the assessment workflow.= ] > > > > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM Architectu= re > > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well > as a > > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a > SACM > > Information Model. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Karen > > > O'Donoghue > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM > > > To: sacm@ietf.org > > > Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > Below is a draft update to our charter based on discussion at the > last IETF > > and > > > some subsequent private discussions. Comments welcome. Please > > > remember that we plan to call out specific drafts using the > milestone > > process > > > and not include them in the base charter. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Karen > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > SACM Charter Proposal > > > 2017-09-12 > > > > > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and > transmit > > that > > > information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, > and many > > > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual > processes. > > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluatio= n > of > > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners > to > > focus on > > > high priority tasks. > > > > > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, > which the > > > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated mann= er > > capable > > > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > > > > > 1. Describe target endpoints > > > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess 3. Collect and > make > > > available specified elements' actual values 4. Compare actual > element > > values > > > to expected element values 5. Make results available > > > > > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and > orchestration > > and > > > communication, as described herein. > > > > > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide t= wo > > types of > > > imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection > mechanisms: > > > > > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > > > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > > > > > When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability > description > > data, > > > YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation > classes, > > > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the > control > > plane > > > functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below)= . > > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may requi= re > > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a > collector > > can > > > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for > "C. > > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes th= at > > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection > profiles will > > not > > > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > > > > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria > language > > enabling > > > evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired > > endpoint > > > posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible > > > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > > operators, > > > logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. > > Additionally, > > > the working group will seek to discover an approach that allows > data from > > > any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > > > > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define > a set > > of > > > control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > > between > > > devices that can provide the requisite information sought by > posture > > > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM > > > architectural components. > > > > > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > > enterprise > > > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using > the > > > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working > group > > will, > > > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > > > > > > Specific work items will include the following: > > > > > > - Collection: The WG will define a way to provide two types of > imperative > > > guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoint= s > to > > collect > > > from and 2) what to collect from these target endpoints. When > classified, > > a > > > set of instructions, such as vulnerability description data or > YANG filter > > > expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. > Detecting > > and > > > classifying beforehand might require orchestrating functions that > go > > beyond > > > the set of capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > > > > > - Evaluation: The working group will describe a criteria language > capable > > of > > > being evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce a > > > standardized result. The language will support complex Boolean > > statements, > > > comparison operators, and functions for string manipulation; and > will be > > > extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of collected > posture > > > attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an approach > that > > allows > > > data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > > > > > - Messaging: The WG will define a control plane function to enabl= e > the > > > discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the > > requisite > > > information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or > both. As > > an > > > example, a document that describes an instance of such a control > plane > > and > > > transfer protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and > extensions as > > > needed to demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM. > > > > > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM > Architecture > > > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as > well as > > a > > > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and > 2) a > > SACM > > > Information Model. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sacm mailing list > > > sacm@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c196cf8acd4090559ba74e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if we ad= hered to Karen's initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the mile= stone process and not include them in the base charter"?



On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at= 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote:
Comments inline below.

Thanks,
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-
> Winget (ncamwing)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>;
> sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM
>
> Please see my comments below:
>
> On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fe= d)"
> <sacm-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of stephen.banghart@nist.gov> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0After discussion with a few other SACM document aut= hors this version of
> the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are<= br> > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items sec= tion
> that covers other work currently being done in the WG.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on = this proposed
> draft update?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen Banghart
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0---------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SACM Charter Proposal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02017-09-12
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Securing information and the systems that store, pr= ocess, and transmit
> that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes,= and many
> security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of<= br> > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to f= ocus on
> high priority tasks .
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0At its core, posture assessment=C2=A0 consists of f= ive basic steps, which the
> working group desires to fulfill=C2=A0 in an innovative, automated man= ner capable
> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. Describe target endpoints
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Determine specific endpoint elements=C2=A0 to as= sess
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03. Collect and make available specified elements= 9; actual values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04. Compare actual element values to expected elemen= t values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A05. Make results available
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This working group will focus on collection, evalua= tion, and orchestration
> and communication, as described herein.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized wa= y to provide two types
> of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01) Which target endpoints to collect from, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02) What to collect from these target endpoints.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When classified , a set of instructions (such as vu= lnerability description
> data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation
> classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the= control
> plane functions=C2=A0 defined by "C. Orchestration and Communicat= ion" (below).
> Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a colle= ctor can
> provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for &quo= t;C.
> Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes th= at
> manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles = will not
> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a= criteria language
> enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against des= ired
> endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, compariso= n
> operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulat= ion.
> Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that= allows
> data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated= .
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0C. Orchestration and Communication. The working gro= up will define a set
> of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information=C2=A0 sough= t by
> posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other S= ACM
> architectural components.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Due to the breadth of this work, the working group = will address enterprise
> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the<= br> > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group = will,
> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work.
> [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.= org/html/draft-ietf-
> sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitio= ns
> beyond =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cposture=E2=80=9D

[daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting t= o add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work item= , but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the charter. = We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.]

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Specific work items will include the following:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 The WG will define a way to provide two typ= es of imperative guidance to
> the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from= and 2)
> what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of=
> instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter ex= pressions,
> can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyi= ng
> beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the se= t of
> capabilities a SACM collector can provide.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 The WG will describe a criteria language ca= pable of being evaluated
> against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result.= The
> language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators= ,
> and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough t= o be
> applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Addition= ally, this
> document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > collection mechanism to be evaluated.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- The WG will define a control plane function to en= able the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an exampl= e, a
> document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transf= er
> protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed= to
> demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- A method of expressing software metadata is neede= d that is suitable for
> use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track docum= ent
> that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to<= br> > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Soft= ware
> Identification (SWID) tag standard.
> [NCW]=C2=A0 I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as softwar= e metadata
> could also be represented with the Yang model?=C2=A0 Perhaps the inten= t is to
> show this as one example for how it can be expressed?=C2=A0 That is, t= here are
> other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be l= everaged.

[daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, wh= ich is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with work = on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be worked o= n. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identified an exis= ting portion of adopted SACM work as something we plan to complete under th= is revised charter. This does not exclude working on YANG models in SACM or= elsewhere that relate to software.]

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- To support collection of posture information from= traditional computing
> devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards t= rack
> documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of
> information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF = NEA.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- To provide for the integration of multiple standa= rds to support posture
> information collection, the WG will define best practices=C2=A0 for th= e collection of
> posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fr= om
> which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards.
> [NCW] This seems to
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-The WG will define standards track documents descr= ibing extensions to
> the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of<= br> > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative
> guidance.
> [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID,=C2=A0 there can= be
> other means for providing information exchange.=C2=A0 For example, usi= ng Yang
> model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange.

[daw: This work item addresses=C2=A0 draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredesc= riptor (which has been adopted) and
draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software de= scriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID info= rmation (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide golde= n measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other securi= ty automation/assessment related use cases. Configuration setting checklist= s expressed in a machine readable form are another example of imperative gu= idance that can be exchanged over ROLIE with the definition of a proper ext= ension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive collection and evalua= tion by defining what needs to be gathered and what the expected state must= be according to policy. ROLIE exchanges are different than the exchanges s= upported by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are focused on endpoint-to-enterprise = exchanges of current state. Both the vendor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-= to-enterprise exchanges are needed in my view, since they support different= aspects of the assessment workflow.]

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a= SACM Architecture
> including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well= as a
> description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a= SACM
> Information Model.
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kar= en
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> O'Donoghue
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: sacm@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Folks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Below is a draft update to our charter based o= n discussion at the last IETF
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> some subsequent private discussions. Comments = welcome. Please
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> remember that we plan to call out specific dra= fts using the milestone
> process
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and not include them in the base charter.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Karen
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ***************
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> SACM Charter Proposal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2017-09-12
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Securing information and the systems that stor= e, process, and transmit
> that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> information is a challenging task for organiza= tions of all sizes, and many
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> security practitioners spend much of their tim= e on manual processes.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Standardized protocols and models aiding colle= ction and evaluation of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> endpoint attributes enable automation, thus fr= eeing practitioners to
> focus on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> high priority tasks.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> At its core, posture assessment consists of fi= ve basic steps, which the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> working group desires to fulfill in an innovat= ive, automated manner
> capable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1. Describe target endpoints
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to ass= ess 3. Collect and make
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> available specified elements' actual value= s 4. Compare actual element
> values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to expected element values 5. Make results ava= ilable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> This working group will focus on collection, e= valuation, and orchestration
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> communication, as described herein.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> A. Collection. The WG will define a standardiz= ed way to provide two
> types of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> imperative guidance to collectors over varying= collection mechanisms:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2) What to collect from these target endpoints= .
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> When classified, a set of instructions (such a= s vulnerability description
> data,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> YANG filter expressions, Windows Management In= strumentation classes,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate colle= ctors using the control
> plane
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> functions defined by "C. Orchestration an= d Communication" (below).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Detecting and classifying desired attributes b= eforehand may require
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> orchestrating functions that go beyond the set= of capabilities a collector
> can
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> provide, and will inform the requirements and = characteristics for "C.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Orchestration and Communication". The wor= king group recognizes that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manual configuration of targets and correspond= ing collection profiles will
> not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> B. Evaluation. The working group will standard= ize a criteria language
> enabling
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> evaluation of actual endpoint posture informat= ion against desired
> endpoint
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> posture information to produce a standardized = result. This extensible
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> language will support complex Boolean statemen= ts, comparison
> operators,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> logical flow statements, and functions for str= ing manipulation.
> Additionally,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the working group will seek to discover an app= roach that allows data from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> any posture collection mechanism to be generic= ally evaluated.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> C. Orchestration and Communication. The workin= g group will define a set
> of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> control plane functions to enable the discover= y and orchestration
> between
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> devices that can provide the requisite informa= tion sought by posture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> collectors, posture evaluators, data repositor= ies, and other SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> architectural components.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Due to the breadth of this work, the working g= roup will address
> enterprise
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endp= oint posture (using the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5= 209). The working group
> will,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existi= ng work.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Specific work items will include the following= :
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Collection: The WG will define a way to prov= ide two types of imperative
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Wh= ich target endpoints to
> collect
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> from and 2) what to collect from these target = endpoints. When classified,
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> set of instructions, such as vulnerability des= cription data or YANG filter
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> expressions, can be brokered to the appropriat= e collectors. Detecting
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> classifying beforehand might require orchestra= ting functions that go
> beyond
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the set of capabilities a SACM collector can p= rovide.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Evaluation: The working group will describe = a criteria language capable
> of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> being evaluated against endpoint posture infor= mation to produce a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> standardized result. The language will support= complex Boolean
> statements,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> comparison operators, and functions for string= manipulation; and will be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> extensible enough to be applicable to the full= range of collected posture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> attributes. Additionally, this document will d= escribe an approach that
> allows
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> data from any posture collection mechanism to = be evaluated.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Messaging: The WG will define a control plan= e function to enable the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> discovery and orchestration between devices th= at can provide the
> requisite
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> information sought by posture collectors, post= ure evaluators or both. As
> an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> example, a document that describes an instance= of such a control plane
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> transfer protocol for data, is through the use= of XMPP and extensions as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> needed to demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicabi= lity to SACM.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Additionally, the working group will describe:= 1) a SACM Architecture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> including protocol requirements and their asso= ciated use cases as well as
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> description of how SACM protocols fit together= into a system, and 2) a
> SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Information Model.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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The milestones = should reflect the timing. Given that this group has suffered from a lack o= f agreement around what we are working on, I think it is prudent to be more= concrete about our work items in the charter. I know of other WGs that do = this when it serves their needs. I think we should keep and refine the work= items text to get to a consensus position on what work needs to be done. All of the work listed either is being worked on or has interested parties = that are willing to do the work. This is another good reason to move forwar= d with these work items. Regards, Dave -------- Original Message -------- From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400 To: Adam Montville , "Waltermire, David A. (Fed= )" , "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" , sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM Hi Adam, Thanks for that reminder=85.and yes, that was the gist of my comments. Tha= t is, the charter is to define the intent of goals vs. calling out explicit= drafts as those are best addressed in milestones=85.I am fine with the fir= st proposed set of changes posted by Karen. In general, I felt the additio= ns are more suited for milestones. Nancy. From: Adam Montville Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "ncamwing@cis= co.com" , "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if we adhered to Karen's = initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the milest= one process and not include them in the base charter"? On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) > wrote: Comments inline below. Thanks, Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] O= n Behalf Of Nancy Cam- > Winget (ncamwing) > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM > To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) >; > sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > Please see my comments below: > > On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" > on behalf of stephen= .banghart@nist.gov> wrote: > > All, > > After discussion with a few other SACM document authors this version = of > the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items sectio= n > that covers other work currently being done in the WG. > > Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on this proposed > draft update? > > Thanks, > Stephen Banghart > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- > > SACM Charter Proposal > 2017-09-12 > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmi= t > that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, an= d many > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to focu= s on > high priority tasks . > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which = the > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capa= ble > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > 1. Describe target endpoints > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > 4. Compare actual element values to expected element values > 5. Make results available > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orchestr= ation > and communication, as described herein. > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two t= ypes > of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms: > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > When classified , a set of instructions (such as vulnerability descri= ption > data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation > classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the co= ntrol > plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collecto= r can > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles wil= l not > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language > enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desire= d > endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation= . > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that al= lows > data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a s= et > of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by > posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM > architectural components. > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address enter= prise > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group wil= l, > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie= tf- > sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitions > beyond =93endpoint=94 and =93posture=94 [daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting t= o add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work item= , but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the charter. = We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.] > > Specific work items will include the following: > > - The WG will define a way to provide two types of imperative guidan= ce to > the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from an= d 2) > what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of > instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter expre= ssions, > can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifying > beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set o= f > capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > - The WG will describe a criteria language capable of being evaluate= d > against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. Th= e > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, > and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough to b= e > applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Additionall= y, this > document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > - The WG will define a control plane function to enable the discovery= and > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an example, = a > document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transfer > protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed to > demonstrate XMPP=92s applicability to SACM. > > - A method of expressing software metadata is needed that is suitable= for > use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track document > that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Softwar= e > Identification (SWID) tag standard. > [NCW] I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as software metada= ta > could also be represented with the Yang model? Perhaps the intent is to > show this as one example for how it can be expressed? That is, there are > other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be leve= raged. [daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, wh= ich is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with work = on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be worked o= n. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identified an exis= ting portion of adopted SACM work as something we plan to complete under th= is revised charter. This does not exclude working on YANG models in SACM or= elsewhere that relate to software.] > > - To support collection of posture information from traditional compu= ting > devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards trac= k > documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of > information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF NEA= . > > - To provide for the integration of multiple standards to support pos= ture > information collection, the WG will define best practices for the collec= tion of > posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from > which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. > [NCW] This seems to > > -The WG will define standards track documents describing extensions t= o > the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative > guidance. > [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID, there can be > other means for providing information exchange. For example, using Yang > model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange. [daw: This work item addresses draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredescripto= r (which has been adopted) and draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software de= scriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID info= rmation (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide golde= n measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other securi= ty automation/assessment related use cases. Configuration setting checklist= s expressed in a machine readable form are another example of imperative gu= idance that can be exchanged over ROLIE with the definition of a proper ext= ension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive collection and evalua= tion by defining what needs to be gathered and what the expected state must= be according to policy. ROLIE exchanges are different than the exchanges s= upported by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are focused on endpoint-to-enterprise = exchanges of current state. Both the vendor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-= to-enterprise exchanges are needed in my view, since they support different= aspects of the assessment workflow.] > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM Architecture > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well as= a > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a SA= CM > Information Model. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Karen > > O'Donoghue > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM > > To: sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > Folks, > > > > Below is a draft update to our charter based on discussion at the l= ast IETF > and > > some subsequent private discussions. Comments welcome. Please > > remember that we plan to call out specific drafts using the milesto= ne > process > > and not include them in the base charter. > > > > Regards, > > Karen > > > > *************** > > > > SACM Charter Proposal > > 2017-09-12 > > > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and trans= mit > that > > information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, a= nd many > > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes= . > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation = of > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners t= o > focus on > > high priority tasks. > > > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which= the > > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner > capable > > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > > > 1. Describe target endpoints > > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess 3. Collect and ma= ke > > available specified elements' actual values 4. Compare actual eleme= nt > values > > to expected element values 5. Make results available > > > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orches= tration > and > > communication, as described herein. > > > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two > types of > > imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s: > > > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > > > When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability descr= iption > data, > > YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation classes= , > > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the contr= ol > plane > > functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a co= llector > can > > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "= C. > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profil= es will > not > > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria langua= ge > enabling > > evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired > endpoint > > posture information to produce a standardized result. This extensib= le > > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > operators, > > logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. > Additionally, > > the working group will seek to discover an approach that allows dat= a from > > any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a= set > of > > control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between > > devices that can provide the requisite information sought by postur= e > > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM > > architectural components. > > > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > enterprise > > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using t= he > > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working gro= up > will, > > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > > > > Specific work items will include the following: > > > > - Collection: The WG will define a way to provide two types of impe= rative > > guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints = to > collect > > from and 2) what to collect from these target endpoints. When class= ified, > a > > set of instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG= filter > > expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecti= ng > and > > classifying beforehand might require orchestrating functions that g= o > beyond > > the set of capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > > > - Evaluation: The working group will describe a criteria language c= apable > of > > being evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce a > > standardized result. The language will support complex Boolean > statements, > > comparison operators, and functions for string manipulation; and wi= ll be > > extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of collected p= osture > > attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an approach t= hat > allows > > data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > > > - Messaging: The WG will define a control plane function to enable = the > > discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the > requisite > > information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or bot= h. As > an > > example, a document that describes an instance of such a control pl= ane > and > > transfer protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensio= ns as > > needed to demonstrate XMPP=92s applicability to SACM. > > > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM Architectu= re > > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as w= ell as > a > > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2= ) a > SACM > > Information Model. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm _______________________________________________ sacm mailing list sacm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --_000_imrisdjonqv7qa6ej1tiuovb1506089285235emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The charter should describe the work we are planni= ng to do. The milestones should reflect the timing. Given that this group h= as suffered from a lack of agreement around what we are working on, I think= it is prudent to be more concrete about our work items in the charter. I know of other WGs that do this when it se= rves their needs. I think we should keep and refine the work items text to = get to a consensus position on what work needs to be done.

All of the work listed either is b= eing worked on or has interested parties that are willing to do the work. T= his is another good reason to move forward with these work items.

Regards,
Dave


-------- Original Message --------
From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com> Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400
To: Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>, "Waltermire, Da= vid A. (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>, "Banghart, Steph= en A. (Fed)" <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM

= From: Adam Montville <ada= m.w.montville@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM
To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist= .gov>, "ncamwing@cisco.com" <ncamwing@cisco.com>, "= Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, "s= acm@ietf.org" <sacm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM

 

Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if= we adhered to Karen's initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the miles= tone process and not include them in the base charter"?

 

 

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A.= (Fed) <david.waltermire@ni= st.gov> wrote:

Comments inline below.

Thanks,
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-
> Winget (ncamwing)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>;
> sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM
>
> Please see my comments below:
>
> On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fe= d)"
> <sacm-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of stephen.bang= hart@nist.gov> wrote:
>
>     All,
>
>     After discussion with a few other SACM document aut= hors this version of
> the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are<= br> > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items sec= tion
> that covers other work currently being done in the WG.
>
>     Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on = this proposed
> draft update?
>
>     Thanks,
>     Stephen Banghart
>
>     ---------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------
>
>     SACM Charter Proposal
>     2017-09-12
>
>     Securing information and the systems that store, pr= ocess, and transmit
> that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes,= and many
> security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of<= br> > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to f= ocus on
> high priority tasks .
>
>     At its core, posture assessment  consists of f= ive basic steps, which the
> working group desires to fulfill  in an innovative, automated man= ner capable
> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:
>
>     1. Describe target endpoints
>     2. Determine specific endpoint elements  to as= sess
>     3. Collect and make available specified elements' a= ctual values
>     4. Compare actual element values to expected elemen= t values
>     5. Make results available
>
>     This working group will focus on collection, evalua= tion, and orchestration
> and communication, as described herein.
>
>     A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized wa= y to provide two types
> of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s:
>
>     1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and
>     2) What to collect from these target endpoints.
>
>     When classified , a set of instructions (such as vu= lnerability description
> data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation
> classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the= control
> plane functions  defined by "C. Orchestration and Communicat= ion" (below).
> Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a colle= ctor can
> provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for &quo= t;C.
> Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes th= at
> manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles = will not
> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.
>
>     B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a= criteria language
> enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against des= ired
> endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, compariso= n
> operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulat= ion.
> Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that= allows
> data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated= .
>
>     C. Orchestration and Communication. The working gro= up will define a set
> of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information  sough= t by
> posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other S= ACM
> architectural components.
>
>     Due to the breadth of this work, the working group = will address enterprise
> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the<= br> > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group = will,
> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work.
> [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-
> sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitio= ns
> beyond =93endpoint=94 and =93posture=94

[daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting t= o add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work item= , but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the charter. = We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.]

>
>     Specific work items will include the following:
>
>     -  The WG will define a way to provide two typ= es of imperative guidance to
> the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from= and 2)
> what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of=
> instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter ex= pressions,
> can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyi= ng
> beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the se= t of
> capabilities a SACM collector can provide.
>
>     -  The WG will describe a criteria language ca= pable of being evaluated
> against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result.= The
> language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators= ,
> and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough t= o be
> applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Addition= ally, this
> document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > collection mechanism to be evaluated.
>
>     - The WG will define a control plane function to en= able the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an exampl= e, a
> document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transf= er
> protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed= to
> demonstrate XMPP=92s applicability to SACM.
>
>     - A method of expressing software metadata is neede= d that is suitable for
> use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track docum= ent
> that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to<= br> > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Soft= ware
> Identification (SWID) tag standard.
> [NCW]  I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as softwar= e metadata
> could also be represented with the Yang model?  Perhaps the inten= t is to
> show this as one example for how it can be expressed?  That is, t= here are
> other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be l= everaged.

[daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, wh= ich is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with work = on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be worked o= n. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identified an existing portion of adopted SACM wo= rk as something we plan to complete under this revised charter. This does n= ot exclude working on YANG models in SACM or elsewhere that relate to softw= are.]

>
>     - To support collection of posture information from= traditional computing
> devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards t= rack
> documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of
> information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF = NEA.
>
>     - To provide for the integration of multiple standa= rds to support posture
> information collection, the WG will define best practices  for th= e collection of
> posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fr= om
> which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards.
> [NCW] This seems to
>
>     -The WG will define standards track documents descr= ibing extensions to
> the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of<= br> > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative
> guidance.
> [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID,  there can= be
> other means for providing information exchange.  For example, usi= ng Yang
> model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange.

[daw: This work item addresses  draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredesc= riptor (which has been adopted) and
draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software de= scriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID info= rmation (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide golde= n measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other security automation/assessment related use cases= . Configuration setting checklists expressed in a machine readable form are= another example of imperative guidance that can be exchanged over ROLIE wi= th the definition of a proper extension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive collection and evaluation by= defining what needs to be gathered and what the expected state must be acc= ording to policy. ROLIE exchanges are different than the exchanges supporte= d by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are focused on endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges of current state. Both the ven= dor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges are needed in my= view, since they support different aspects of the assessment workflow.]
>
>     Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a= SACM Architecture
> including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well= as a
> description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a= SACM
> Information Model.
>
>
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kar= en
>     > O'Donoghue
>     > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM
>     > To: sacm@ietf.org
>     > Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM=
>     >
>     > Folks,
>     >
>     > Below is a draft update to our charter based o= n discussion at the last IETF
> and
>     > some subsequent private discussions. Comments = welcome. Please
>     > remember that we plan to call out specific dra= fts using the milestone
> process
>     > and not include them in the base charter.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Karen
>     >
>     > ***************
>     >
>     > SACM Charter Proposal
>     > 2017-09-12
>     >
>     > Securing information and the systems that stor= e, process, and transmit
> that
>     > information is a challenging task for organiza= tions of all sizes, and many
>     > security practitioners spend much of their tim= e on manual processes.
>     > Standardized protocols and models aiding colle= ction and evaluation of
>     > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus fr= eeing practitioners to
> focus on
>     > high priority tasks.
>     >
>     > At its core, posture assessment consists of fi= ve basic steps, which the
>     > working group desires to fulfill in an innovat= ive, automated manner
> capable
>     > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: >     >
>     > 1. Describe target endpoints
>     > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to ass= ess 3. Collect and make
>     > available specified elements' actual values 4.= Compare actual element
> values
>     > to expected element values 5. Make results ava= ilable
>     >
>     > This working group will focus on collection, e= valuation, and orchestration
> and
>     > communication, as described herein.
>     >
>     > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardiz= ed way to provide two
> types of
>     > imperative guidance to collectors over varying= collection mechanisms:
>     >
>     > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and=
>     > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints= .
>     >
>     > When classified, a set of instructions (such a= s vulnerability description
> data,
>     > YANG filter expressions, Windows Management In= strumentation classes,
>     > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate colle= ctors using the control
> plane
>     > functions defined by "C. Orchestration an= d Communication" (below).
>     > Detecting and classifying desired attributes b= eforehand may require
>     > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set= of capabilities a collector
> can
>     > provide, and will inform the requirements and = characteristics for "C.
>     > Orchestration and Communication". The wor= king group recognizes that
>     > manual configuration of targets and correspond= ing collection profiles will
> not
>     > scale and does not seem to be a viable option.=
>     >
>     > B. Evaluation. The working group will standard= ize a criteria language
> enabling
>     > evaluation of actual endpoint posture informat= ion against desired
> endpoint
>     > posture information to produce a standardized = result. This extensible
>     > language will support complex Boolean statemen= ts, comparison
> operators,
>     > logical flow statements, and functions for str= ing manipulation.
> Additionally,
>     > the working group will seek to discover an app= roach that allows data from
>     > any posture collection mechanism to be generic= ally evaluated.
>     >
>     > C. Orchestration and Communication. The workin= g group will define a set
> of
>     > control plane functions to enable the discover= y and orchestration
> between
>     > devices that can provide the requisite informa= tion sought by posture
>     > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositor= ies, and other SACM
>     > architectural components.
>     >
>     > Due to the breadth of this work, the working g= roup will address
> enterprise
>     > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endp= oint posture (using the
>     > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5= 209). The working group
> will,
>     > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existi= ng work.
>     >
>     > Specific work items will include the following= :
>     >
>     > - Collection: The WG will define a way to prov= ide two types of imperative
>     > guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Wh= ich target endpoints to
> collect
>     > from and 2) what to collect from these target = endpoints. When classified,
> a
>     > set of instructions, such as vulnerability des= cription data or YANG filter
>     > expressions, can be brokered to the appropriat= e collectors. Detecting
> and
>     > classifying beforehand might require orchestra= ting functions that go
> beyond
>     > the set of capabilities a SACM collector can p= rovide.
>     >
>     > - Evaluation: The working group will describe = a criteria language capable
> of
>     > being evaluated against endpoint posture infor= mation to produce a
>     > standardized result. The language will support= complex Boolean
> statements,
>     > comparison operators, and functions for string= manipulation; and will be
>     > extensible enough to be applicable to the full= range of collected posture
>     > attributes. Additionally, this document will d= escribe an approach that
> allows
>     > data from any posture collection mechanism to = be evaluated.
>     >
>     > - Messaging: The WG will define a control plan= e function to enable the
>     > discovery and orchestration between devices th= at can provide the
> requisite
>     > information sought by posture collectors, post= ure evaluators or both. As
> an
>     > example, a document that describes an instance= of such a control plane
> and
>     > transfer protocol for data, is through the use= of XMPP and extensions as
>     > needed to demonstrate XMPP=92s applicability t= o SACM.
>     >
>     > Additionally, the working group will describe:= 1) a SACM Architecture
>     > including protocol requirements and their asso= ciated use cases as well as
> a
>     > description of how SACM protocols fit together= into a system, and 2) a
> SACM
>     > Information Model.
>     >
>     > ______________________________________________= _
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The draft charter as it stands does not call out any specific drafts, but r= ather work items that the group is interested in. The version that Karen se= nt out on the 12th included 5 such items, one for collection, one for evalu= ation, one for messaging, one for a SACM architecture, and one for a SACM i= nformation model. My edits included 4 additional items, bringing the total = list to 9. I agree that the milestones system would be the perfect place to call out s= pecific drafts and the timing around them. -Stephen From: Waltermire, David A. (Fed) Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:14 AM To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) ; Adam Montville ; Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) ; sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM The charter should describe the work we are planning to do. The milestones = should reflect the timing. Given that this group has suffered from a lack o= f agreement around what we are working on, I think it is prudent to be more= concrete about our work items in the charter. I know of other WGs that do = this when it serves their needs. I think we should keep and refine the work= items text to get to a consensus position on what work needs to be done. All of the work listed either is being worked on or has interested parties = that are willing to do the work. This is another good reason to move forwar= d with these work items. Regards, Dave -------- Original Message -------- From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" > Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400 To: Adam Montville >, "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" >, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" >, sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM Hi Adam, Thanks for that reminder....and yes, that was the gist of my comments. Tha= t is, the charter is to define the intent of goals vs. calling out explicit= drafts as those are best addressed in milestones....I am fine with the fir= st proposed set of changes posted by Karen. In general, I felt the additio= ns are more suited for milestones. Nancy. From: Adam Montville > Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" >, "ncamwing@cisco.com" >, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" >, "sacm@ietf.org<= mailto:sacm@ietf.org>" > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if we adhered to Karen's = initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the milest= one process and not include them in the base charter"? On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) > wrote: Comments inline below. Thanks, Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] O= n Behalf Of Nancy Cam- > Winget (ncamwing) > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM > To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) >; > sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > Please see my comments below: > > On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" > on behalf of stephen= .banghart@nist.gov> wrote: > > All, > > After discussion with a few other SACM document authors this version = of > the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items sectio= n > that covers other work currently being done in the WG. > > Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on this proposed > draft update? > > Thanks, > Stephen Banghart > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- > > SACM Charter Proposal > 2017-09-12 > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmi= t > that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, an= d many > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to focu= s on > high priority tasks . > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which = the > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capa= ble > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > 1. Describe target endpoints > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > 4. Compare actual element values to expected element values > 5. Make results available > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orchestr= ation > and communication, as described herein. > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two t= ypes > of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms: > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > When classified , a set of instructions (such as vulnerability descri= ption > data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation > classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the co= ntrol > plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collecto= r can > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles wil= l not > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language > enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desire= d > endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation= . > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that al= lows > data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a s= et > of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by > posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM > architectural components. > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address enter= prise > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group wil= l, > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie= tf- > sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitions > beyond "endpoint" and "posture" [daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting t= o add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work item= , but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the charter. = We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.] > > Specific work items will include the following: > > - The WG will define a way to provide two types of imperative guidan= ce to > the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from an= d 2) > what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of > instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter expre= ssions, > can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifying > beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set o= f > capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > - The WG will describe a criteria language capable of being evaluate= d > against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. Th= e > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, > and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough to b= e > applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Additionall= y, this > document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > - The WG will define a control plane function to enable the discovery= and > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an example, = a > document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transfer > protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed to > demonstrate XMPP's applicability to SACM. > > - A method of expressing software metadata is needed that is suitable= for > use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track document > that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Softwar= e > Identification (SWID) tag standard. > [NCW] I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as software metada= ta > could also be represented with the Yang model? Perhaps the intent is to > show this as one example for how it can be expressed? That is, there are > other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be leve= raged. [daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, wh= ich is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with work = on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be worked o= n. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identified an exis= ting portion of adopted SACM work as something we plan to complete under th= is revised charter. This does not exclude working on YANG models in SACM or= elsewhere that relate to software.] > > - To support collection of posture information from traditional compu= ting > devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards trac= k > documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of > information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF NEA= . > > - To provide for the integration of multiple standards to support pos= ture > information collection, the WG will define best practices for the collec= tion of > posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from > which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. > [NCW] This seems to > > -The WG will define standards track documents describing extensions t= o > the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative > guidance. > [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID, there can be > other means for providing information exchange. For example, using Yang > model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange. [daw: This work item addresses draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredescripto= r (which has been adopted) and draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software de= scriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID info= rmation (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide golde= n measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other securi= ty automation/assessment related use cases. Configuration setting checklist= s expressed in a machine readable form are another example of imperative gu= idance that can be exchanged over ROLIE with the definition of a proper ext= ension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive collection and evalua= tion by defining what needs to be gathered and what the expected state must= be according to policy. ROLIE exchanges are different than the exchanges s= upported by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are focused on endpoint-to-enterprise = exchanges of current state. Both the vendor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-= to-enterprise exchanges are needed in my view, since they support different= aspects of the assessment workflow.] > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM Architecture > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well as= a > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a SA= CM > Information Model. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Karen > > O'Donoghue > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM > > To: sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > Folks, > > > > Below is a draft update to our charter based on discussion at the l= ast IETF > and > > some subsequent private discussions. Comments welcome. Please > > remember that we plan to call out specific drafts using the milesto= ne > process > > and not include them in the base charter. > > > > Regards, > > Karen > > > > *************** > > > > SACM Charter Proposal > > 2017-09-12 > > > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and trans= mit > that > > information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, a= nd many > > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes= . > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation = of > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners t= o > focus on > > high priority tasks. > > > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which= the > > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner > capable > > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > > > 1. Describe target endpoints > > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess 3. Collect and ma= ke > > available specified elements' actual values 4. Compare actual eleme= nt > values > > to expected element values 5. Make results available > > > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orches= tration > and > > communication, as described herein. > > > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two > types of > > imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s: > > > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > > > When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability descr= iption > data, > > YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation classes= , > > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the contr= ol > plane > > functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a co= llector > can > > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "= C. > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profil= es will > not > > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria langua= ge > enabling > > evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired > endpoint > > posture information to produce a standardized result. This extensib= le > > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > operators, > > logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. > Additionally, > > the working group will seek to discover an approach that allows dat= a from > > any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a= set > of > > control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between > > devices that can provide the requisite information sought by postur= e > > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM > > architectural components. > > > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > enterprise > > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using t= he > > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working gro= up > will, > > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > > > > Specific work items will include the following: > > > > - Collection: The WG will define a way to provide two types of impe= rative > > guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints = to > collect > > from and 2) what to collect from these target endpoints. When class= ified, > a > > set of instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG= filter > > expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecti= ng > and > > classifying beforehand might require orchestrating functions that g= o > beyond > > the set of capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > > > - Evaluation: The working group will describe a criteria language c= apable > of > > being evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce a > > standardized result. The language will support complex Boolean > statements, > > comparison operators, and functions for string manipulation; and wi= ll be > > extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of collected p= osture > > attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an approach t= hat > allows > > data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > > > - Messaging: The WG will define a control plane function to enable = the > > discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the > requisite > > information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or bot= h. As > an > > example, a document that describes an instance of such a control pl= ane > and > > transfer protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensio= ns as > > needed to demonstrate XMPP's applicability to SACM. > > > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM Architectu= re > > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as w= ell as > a > > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2= ) a > SACM > > Information Model. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm _______________________________________________ sacm mailing list sacm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --_000_DM5PR09MB13073CA57A44221F4CB3B8C9F0670DM5PR09MB1307namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The draft charter as it stands does not call out an= y specific drafts, but rather work items that the group is interested in. T= he version that Karen sent out on the 12th included 5 such items, one for collection, one for evaluation, one for mes= saging, one for a SACM architecture, and one for a SACM information model. = My edits included 4 additional items, bringing the total list to 9.

 

I agree that the milestones system would be the per= fect place to call out specific drafts and the timing around them.

 

-Stephen

 

From: Waltermire, David A. (Fed)
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com>; Adam Mon= tville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>; Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <s= tephen.banghart@nist.gov>; sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM=

 

The charter should describe the work we are planning= to do. The milestones should reflect the timing. Given that this group has= suffered from a lack of agreement around what we are working on, I think i= t is prudent to be more concrete about our work items in the charter. I know of other WGs that do this when it se= rves their needs. I think we should keep and refine the work items text to = get to a consensus position on what work needs to be done.

 

All of the work listed either is being worked on or = has interested parties that are willing to do the work. This is another goo= d reason to move forward with these work items.

 

Regards,

Dave



-------- Original Message --------
From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com>
Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400
To: Adam Montville <adam.w= .montville@gmail.com>, "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>= ;, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM

Hi Adam,

Thanks for that reminder….and yes, that was t= he gist of my comments.  That is, the charter is to define the intent = of goals vs. calling out explicit drafts as those are best addressed in milestones….I am fine with the first proposed set of ch= anges posted by Karen.  In general, I felt the additions are more suit= ed for milestones.

 

        &nb= sp;       Nancy.

 

From: Adam Montville <ada= m.w.montville@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM
To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>, "ncamwing@cisco.com" <ncamwing@cisco.com>, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" <stephen.ba= nghart@nist.gov>, "sacm@ietf.o= rg" <sacm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM=

 

Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if= we adhered to Karen's initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the milest= one process and not include them in the base charter"?

 

 

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A.= (Fed) <david.waltermire@ni= st.gov> wrote:

Comments inline below.

Thanks,
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-
> Winget (ncamwing)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>;
> sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM
>
> Please see my comments below:
>
> On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fe= d)"
> <sacm-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of stephen.bang= hart@nist.gov> wrote:
>
>     All,
>
>     After discussion with a few other SACM document aut= hors this version of
> the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are<= br> > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items sec= tion
> that covers other work currently being done in the WG.
>
>     Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on = this proposed
> draft update?
>
>     Thanks,
>     Stephen Banghart
>
>     ---------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------
>
>     SACM Charter Proposal
>     2017-09-12
>
>     Securing information and the systems that store, pr= ocess, and transmit
> that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes,= and many
> security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of<= br> > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to f= ocus on
> high priority tasks .
>
>     At its core, posture assessment  consists of f= ive basic steps, which the
> working group desires to fulfill  in an innovative, automated man= ner capable
> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:
>
>     1. Describe target endpoints
>     2. Determine specific endpoint elements  to as= sess
>     3. Collect and make available specified elements' a= ctual values
>     4. Compare actual element values to expected elemen= t values
>     5. Make results available
>
>     This working group will focus on collection, evalua= tion, and orchestration
> and communication, as described herein.
>
>     A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized wa= y to provide two types
> of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s:
>
>     1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and
>     2) What to collect from these target endpoints.
>
>     When classified , a set of instructions (such as vu= lnerability description
> data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation
> classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the= control
> plane functions  defined by "C. Orchestration and Communicat= ion" (below).
> Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a colle= ctor can
> provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for &quo= t;C.
> Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes th= at
> manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles = will not
> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.
>
>     B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a= criteria language
> enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against des= ired
> endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, compariso= n
> operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulat= ion.
> Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that= allows
> data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated= .
>
>     C. Orchestration and Communication. The working gro= up will define a set
> of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information  sough= t by
> posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other S= ACM
> architectural components.
>
>     Due to the breadth of this work, the working group = will address enterprise
> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the<= br> > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group = will,
> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work.
> [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-
> sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitio= ns
> beyond “endpoint” and “posture”

[daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting t= o add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work item= , but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the charter. = We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.]

>
>     Specific work items will include the following:
>
>     -  The WG will define a way to provide two typ= es of imperative guidance to
> the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from= and 2)
> what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of=
> instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter ex= pressions,
> can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyi= ng
> beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the se= t of
> capabilities a SACM collector can provide.
>
>     -  The WG will describe a criteria language ca= pable of being evaluated
> against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result.= The
> language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators= ,
> and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough t= o be
> applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Addition= ally, this
> document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > collection mechanism to be evaluated.
>
>     - The WG will define a control plane function to en= able the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an exampl= e, a
> document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transf= er
> protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed= to
> demonstrate XMPP’s applicability to SACM.
>
>     - A method of expressing software metadata is neede= d that is suitable for
> use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track docum= ent
> that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to<= br> > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Soft= ware
> Identification (SWID) tag standard.
> [NCW]  I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as softwar= e metadata
> could also be represented with the Yang model?  Perhaps the inten= t is to
> show this as one example for how it can be expressed?  That is, t= here are
> other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be l= everaged.

[daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, wh= ich is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with work = on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be worked o= n. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identified an existing portion of adopted SACM wo= rk as something we plan to complete under this revised charter. This does n= ot exclude working on YANG models in SACM or elsewhere that relate to softw= are.]

>
>     - To support collection of posture information from= traditional computing
> devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards t= rack
> documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of
> information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF = NEA.
>
>     - To provide for the integration of multiple standa= rds to support posture
> information collection, the WG will define best practices  for th= e collection of
> posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fr= om
> which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards.
> [NCW] This seems to
>
>     -The WG will define standards track documents descr= ibing extensions to
> the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of<= br> > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative
> guidance.
> [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID,  there can= be
> other means for providing information exchange.  For example, usi= ng Yang
> model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange.

[daw: This work item addresses  draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredesc= riptor (which has been adopted) and
draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software de= scriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID info= rmation (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide golde= n measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other security automation/assessment related use cases= . Configuration setting checklists expressed in a machine readable form are= another example of imperative guidance that can be exchanged over ROLIE wi= th the definition of a proper extension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive collection and evaluation by= defining what needs to be gathered and what the expected state must be acc= ording to policy. ROLIE exchanges are different than the exchanges supporte= d by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are focused on endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges of current state. Both the ven= dor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges are needed in my= view, since they support different aspects of the assessment workflow.]
>
>     Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a= SACM Architecture
> including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well= as a
> description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a= SACM
> Information Model.
>
>
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kar= en
>     > O'Donoghue
>     > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM
>     > To: sacm@ietf.org
>     > Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM=
>     >
>     > Folks,
>     >
>     > Below is a draft update to our charter based o= n discussion at the last IETF
> and
>     > some subsequent private discussions. Comments = welcome. Please
>     > remember that we plan to call out specific dra= fts using the milestone
> process
>     > and not include them in the base charter.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Karen
>     >
>     > ***************
>     >
>     > SACM Charter Proposal
>     > 2017-09-12
>     >
>     > Securing information and the systems that stor= e, process, and transmit
> that
>     > information is a challenging task for organiza= tions of all sizes, and many
>     > security practitioners spend much of their tim= e on manual processes.
>     > Standardized protocols and models aiding colle= ction and evaluation of
>     > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus fr= eeing practitioners to
> focus on
>     > high priority tasks.
>     >
>     > At its core, posture assessment consists of fi= ve basic steps, which the
>     > working group desires to fulfill in an innovat= ive, automated manner
> capable
>     > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: >     >
>     > 1. Describe target endpoints
>     > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to ass= ess 3. Collect and make
>     > available specified elements' actual values 4.= Compare actual element
> values
>     > to expected element values 5. Make results ava= ilable
>     >
>     > This working group will focus on collection, e= valuation, and orchestration
> and
>     > communication, as described herein.
>     >
>     > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardiz= ed way to provide two
> types of
>     > imperative guidance to collectors over varying= collection mechanisms:
>     >
>     > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and=
>     > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints= .
>     >
>     > When classified, a set of instructions (such a= s vulnerability description
> data,
>     > YANG filter expressions, Windows Management In= strumentation classes,
>     > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate colle= ctors using the control
> plane
>     > functions defined by "C. Orchestration an= d Communication" (below).
>     > Detecting and classifying desired attributes b= eforehand may require
>     > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set= of capabilities a collector
> can
>     > provide, and will inform the requirements and = characteristics for "C.
>     > Orchestration and Communication". The wor= king group recognizes that
>     > manual configuration of targets and correspond= ing collection profiles will
> not
>     > scale and does not seem to be a viable option.=
>     >
>     > B. Evaluation. The working group will standard= ize a criteria language
> enabling
>     > evaluation of actual endpoint posture informat= ion against desired
> endpoint
>     > posture information to produce a standardized = result. This extensible
>     > language will support complex Boolean statemen= ts, comparison
> operators,
>     > logical flow statements, and functions for str= ing manipulation.
> Additionally,
>     > the working group will seek to discover an app= roach that allows data from
>     > any posture collection mechanism to be generic= ally evaluated.
>     >
>     > C. Orchestration and Communication. The workin= g group will define a set
> of
>     > control plane functions to enable the discover= y and orchestration
> between
>     > devices that can provide the requisite informa= tion sought by posture
>     > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositor= ies, and other SACM
>     > architectural components.
>     >
>     > Due to the breadth of this work, the working g= roup will address
> enterprise
>     > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endp= oint posture (using the
>     > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5= 209). The working group
> will,
>     > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existi= ng work.
>     >
>     > Specific work items will include the following= :
>     >
>     > - Collection: The WG will define a way to prov= ide two types of imperative
>     > guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Wh= ich target endpoints to
> collect
>     > from and 2) what to collect from these target = endpoints. When classified,
> a
>     > set of instructions, such as vulnerability des= cription data or YANG filter
>     > expressions, can be brokered to the appropriat= e collectors. Detecting
> and
>     > classifying beforehand might require orchestra= ting functions that go
> beyond
>     > the set of capabilities a SACM collector can p= rovide.
>     >
>     > - Evaluation: The working group will describe = a criteria language capable
> of
>     > being evaluated against endpoint posture infor= mation to produce a
>     > standardized result. The language will support= complex Boolean
> statements,
>     > comparison operators, and functions for string= manipulation; and will be
>     > extensible enough to be applicable to the full= range of collected posture
>     > attributes. Additionally, this document will d= escribe an approach that
> allows
>     > data from any posture collection mechanism to = be evaluated.
>     >
>     > - Messaging: The WG will define a control plan= e function to enable the
>     > discovery and orchestration between devices th= at can provide the
> requisite
>     > information sought by posture collectors, post= ure evaluators or both. As
> an
>     > example, a document that describes an instance= of such a control plane
> and
>     > transfer protocol for data, is through the use= of XMPP and extensions as
>     > needed to demonstrate XMPP’s applicabili= ty to SACM.
>     >
>     > Additionally, the working group will describe:= 1) a SACM Architecture
>     > including protocol requirements and their asso= ciated use cases as well as
> a
>     > description of how SACM protocols fit together= into a system, and 2) a
> SACM
>     > Information Model.
>     >
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(Fed)" , "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045d9bd84860e50559c9ee68" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:45:12 -0000 --f403045d9bd84860e50559c9ee68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, what you say is technically true - the work items in the charter do not talk to specific drafts. But, the descriptions are detailed enough to draw very straight lines to specific drafts. It's up to the group what we want to do, I'm sure. To me, it matters less where these things go and more about whether the group has agreement. But, I do like the idea of abstract characteristics in the charter and specifics in the milestones. Adam On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:12 AM Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) < stephen.banghart@nist.gov> wrote: > The draft charter as it stands does not call out any specific drafts, but > rather work items that the group is interested in. The version that Karen > sent out on the 12th included 5 such items, one for collection, one for > evaluation, one for messaging, one for a SACM architecture, and one for a > SACM information model. My edits included 4 additional items, bringing th= e > total list to 9. > > > > I agree that the milestones system would be the perfect place to call out > specific drafts and the timing around them. > > > > -Stephen > > > > *From:* Waltermire, David A. (Fed) > *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 10:14 AM > *To:* Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) ; Adam Montville < > adam.w.montville@gmail.com>; Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) < > stephen.banghart@nist.gov>; sacm@ietf.org > > > *Subject:* Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > The charter should describe the work we are planning to do. The milestone= s > should reflect the timing. Given that this group has suffered from a lack > of agreement around what we are working on, I think it is prudent to be > more concrete about our work items in the charter. I know of other WGs th= at > do this when it serves their needs. I think we should keep and refine the > work items text to get to a consensus position on what work needs to be > done. > > > > All of the work listed either is being worked on or has interested partie= s > that are willing to do the work. This is another good reason to move > forward with these work items. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" > Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400 > To: Adam Montville , "Waltermire, David A. > (Fed)" , "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" < > stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > Hi Adam, > > Thanks for that reminder=E2=80=A6.and yes, that was the gist of my commen= ts. That > is, the charter is to define the intent of goals vs. calling out explicit > drafts as those are best addressed in milestones=E2=80=A6.I am fine with = the first > proposed set of changes posted by Karen. In general, I felt the addition= s > are more suited for milestones. > > > > Nancy. > > > > *From: *Adam Montville > *Date: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM > *To: *"Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , " > ncamwing@cisco.com" , "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" < > stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, "sacm@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if we adhered to Karen'= s > initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the > milestone process and not include them in the base charter"? > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < > david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > > Comments inline below. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam- > > Winget (ncamwing) > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM > > To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) ; > > sacm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > Please see my comments below: > > > > On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" > > wrote: > > > > All, > > > > After discussion with a few other SACM document authors this versio= n > of > > the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are > > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items > section > > that covers other work currently being done in the WG. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on this proposed > > draft update? > > > > Thanks, > > Stephen Banghart > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------ > > > > SACM Charter Proposal > > 2017-09-12 > > > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and > transmit > > that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, > and many > > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to > focus on > > high priority tasks . > > > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, whic= h > the > > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner > capable > > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > > > 1. Describe target endpoints > > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > > 4. Compare actual element values to expected element values > > 5. Make results available > > > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and > orchestration > > and communication, as described herein. > > > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two > types > > of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms= : > > > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > > > When classified , a set of instructions (such as vulnerability > description > > data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation > > classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the > control > > plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below= ). > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a > collector can > > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles > will not > > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria langua= ge > > enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against > desired > > endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > > operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string > manipulation. > > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that > allows > > data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a > set > > of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > > between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by > > posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SA= CM > > architectural components. > > > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > enterprise > > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the > > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group > will, > > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > > [NCW] I think we need to incorporate > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf- > > sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definition= s > > beyond =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cposture=E2=80=9D > > [daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting > to add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work > item, but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the > charter. We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.] > > > > > Specific work items will include the following: > > > > - The WG will define a way to provide two types of imperative > guidance to > > the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from > and 2) > > what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of > > instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter > expressions, > > can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyin= g > > beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set > of > > capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > > > - The WG will describe a criteria language capable of being > evaluated > > against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. > The > > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, > > and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough to > be > > applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. > Additionally, this > > document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > > collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > > > - The WG will define a control plane function to enable the > discovery and > > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informatio= n > > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an example= , > a > > document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transfe= r > > protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed = to > > demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM. > > > > - A method of expressing software metadata is needed that is > suitable for > > use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track docume= nt > > that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to > > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 > Software > > Identification (SWID) tag standard. > > [NCW] I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as software > metadata > > could also be represented with the Yang model? Perhaps the intent is t= o > > show this as one example for how it can be expressed? That is, there a= re > > other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be > leveraged. > > [daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, > which is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with > work on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be > worked on. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identifi= ed > an existing portion of adopted SACM work as something we plan to complete > under this revised charter. This does not exclude working on YANG models = in > SACM or elsewhere that relate to software.] > > > > > - To support collection of posture information from traditional > computing > > devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards > track > > documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of > > information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF > NEA. > > > > - To provide for the integration of multiple standards to support > posture > > information collection, the WG will define best practices for the > collection of > > posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fro= m > > which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. > > [NCW] This seems to > > > > -The WG will define standards track documents describing extensions > to > > the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of > > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative > > guidance. > > [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID, there can be > > other means for providing information exchange. For example, using Yan= g > > model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange. > > [daw: This work item addresses > draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredescriptor (which has been adopted) and > draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software > descriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID > information (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide > golden measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other > security automation/assessment related use cases. Configuration setting > checklists expressed in a machine readable form are another example of > imperative guidance that can be exchanged over ROLIE with the definition = of > a proper extension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive > collection and evaluation by defining what needs to be gathered and what > the expected state must be according to policy. ROLIE exchanges are > different than the exchanges supported by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are > focused on endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges of current state. Both the > vendor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges are needed = in > my view, since they support different aspects of the assessment workflow.= ] > > > > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM Architectu= re > > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well > as a > > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a > SACM > > Information Model. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Karen > > > O'Donoghue > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM > > > To: sacm@ietf.org > > > Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > Below is a draft update to our charter based on discussion at the > last IETF > > and > > > some subsequent private discussions. Comments welcome. Please > > > remember that we plan to call out specific drafts using the > milestone > > process > > > and not include them in the base charter. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Karen > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > SACM Charter Proposal > > > 2017-09-12 > > > > > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and > transmit > > that > > > information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, > and many > > > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual > processes. > > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluatio= n > of > > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners > to > > focus on > > > high priority tasks. > > > > > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, > which the > > > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated mann= er > > capable > > > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > > > > > 1. Describe target endpoints > > > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess 3. Collect and > make > > > available specified elements' actual values 4. Compare actual > element > > values > > > to expected element values 5. Make results available > > > > > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and > orchestration > > and > > > communication, as described herein. > > > > > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide t= wo > > types of > > > imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection > mechanisms: > > > > > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > > > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > > > > > When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability > description > > data, > > > YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation > classes, > > > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the > control > > plane > > > functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below)= . > > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may requi= re > > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a > collector > > can > > > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for > "C. > > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes th= at > > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection > profiles will > > not > > > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > > > > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria > language > > enabling > > > evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired > > endpoint > > > posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible > > > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > > operators, > > > logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. > > Additionally, > > > the working group will seek to discover an approach that allows > data from > > > any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > > > > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define > a set > > of > > > control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > > between > > > devices that can provide the requisite information sought by > posture > > > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM > > > architectural components. > > > > > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > > enterprise > > > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using > the > > > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working > group > > will, > > > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. > > > > > > Specific work items will include the following: > > > > > > - Collection: The WG will define a way to provide two types of > imperative > > > guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoint= s > to > > collect > > > from and 2) what to collect from these target endpoints. When > classified, > > a > > > set of instructions, such as vulnerability description data or > YANG filter > > > expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. > Detecting > > and > > > classifying beforehand might require orchestrating functions that > go > > beyond > > > the set of capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > > > > > - Evaluation: The working group will describe a criteria language > capable > > of > > > being evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce a > > > standardized result. The language will support complex Boolean > > statements, > > > comparison operators, and functions for string manipulation; and > will be > > > extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of collected > posture > > > attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an approach > that > > allows > > > data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > > > > > - Messaging: The WG will define a control plane function to enabl= e > the > > > discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the > > requisite > > > information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or > both. As > > an > > > example, a document that describes an instance of such a control > plane > > and > > > transfer protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and > extensions as > > > needed to demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM. > > > > > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM > Architecture > > > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as > well as > > a > > > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and > 2) a > > SACM > > > Information Model. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sacm mailing list > > > sacm@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > --f403045d9bd84860e50559c9ee68 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, what you say is technically true - the work items in = the charter do not talk to specific drafts. But, the descriptions are detai= led enough to draw very straight lines to specific drafts.

It's up to the group what we want to do, I'm sure. To me, it mat= ters less where these things go and more about whether the group has agreem= ent. But, I do like the idea of abstract characteristics in the charter and= specifics in the milestones.

Adam

=
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:12 AM= Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov> wrote:

The draft charter as it stands does not call out an= y specific drafts, but rather work items that the group is interested in. T= he version that Karen sent out on the 12th included 5 such items, one for collection, one for evaluation, one for mes= saging, one for a SACM architecture, and one for a SACM information model. = My edits included 4 additional items, bringing the total list to 9.<= u>

=C2=A0

I agree that the milestones system would be the per= fect place to call out specific drafts and the timing around them.

=C2=A0

-Stephen

=C2=A0

From: Waltermire, David A. (Fed)
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com>; Adam Montville <adam.w.montvill= e@gmail.com>; Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>; = sacm@ietf.org=


Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM

=C2=A0

The charter should describe the work we are planning= to do. The milestones should reflect the timing. Given that this group has= suffered from a lack of agreement around what we are working on, I think i= t is prudent to be more concrete about our work items in the charter. I know of other WGs that do this when it se= rves their needs. I think we should keep and refine the work items text to = get to a consensus position on what work needs to be done.

=C2=A0

All of the work listed either is being worked on or = has interested parties that are willing to do the work. This is another goo= d reason to move forward with these work items.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Dave



-------- Original Message --------
From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com>
Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400
To: Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>, "Waltermire, David A. = (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)&quo= t; <steph= en.banghart@nist.gov>, sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM

Hi Adam,

Thanks for that reminder=E2=80=A6.and yes, that was= the gist of my comments.=C2=A0 That is, the charter is to define the inten= t of goals vs. calling out explicit drafts as those are best addressed in milestones=E2=80=A6.I am fine with the first proposed set of = changes posted by Karen.=C2=A0 In general, I felt the additions are more su= ited for milestones.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Nancy.

=C2=A0

From: Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM
To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>= , "ncamwing@ci= sco.com" <ncamwing@cisco.com>, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, "sacm@ietf.org" <sacm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM<= /u>

=C2=A0

Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if= we adhered to Karen's initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the mi= lestone process and not include them in the base charter"?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /p>

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A.= (Fed) <d= avid.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote:

Comments inline below.

Thanks,
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-
> Winget (ncamwing)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>;
> sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM
>
> Please see my comments below:
>
> On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fe= d)"
> <sacm-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of stephen.bang= hart@nist.gov> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0After discussion with a few other SACM document aut= hors this version of
> the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are<= br> > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items sec= tion
> that covers other work currently being done in the WG.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on = this proposed
> draft update?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen Banghart
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0---------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SACM Charter Proposal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02017-09-12
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Securing information and the systems that store, pr= ocess, and transmit
> that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes,= and many
> security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of<= br> > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to f= ocus on
> high priority tasks .
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0At its core, posture assessment=C2=A0 consists of f= ive basic steps, which the
> working group desires to fulfill=C2=A0 in an innovative, automated man= ner capable
> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. Describe target endpoints
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Determine specific endpoint elements=C2=A0 to as= sess
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03. Collect and make available specified elements= 9; actual values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04. Compare actual element values to expected elemen= t values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A05. Make results available
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This working group will focus on collection, evalua= tion, and orchestration
> and communication, as described herein.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized wa= y to provide two types
> of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01) Which target endpoints to collect from, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02) What to collect from these target endpoints.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When classified , a set of instructions (such as vu= lnerability description
> data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation
> classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the= control
> plane functions=C2=A0 defined by "C. Orchestration and Communicat= ion" (below).
> Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a colle= ctor can
> provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for &quo= t;C.
> Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes th= at
> manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles = will not
> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a= criteria language
> enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against des= ired
> endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, compariso= n
> operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulat= ion.
> Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that= allows
> data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated= .
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0C. Orchestration and Communication. The working gro= up will define a set
> of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information=C2=A0 sough= t by
> posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other S= ACM
> architectural components.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Due to the breadth of this work, the working group = will address enterprise
> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the<= br> > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group = will,
> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work.
> [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-
> sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitio= ns
> beyond =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cposture=E2=80=9D

[daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting t= o add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work item= , but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the charter. = We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.]

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Specific work items will include the following:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 The WG will define a way to provide two typ= es of imperative guidance to
> the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from= and 2)
> what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of=
> instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter ex= pressions,
> can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyi= ng
> beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the se= t of
> capabilities a SACM collector can provide.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 The WG will describe a criteria language ca= pable of being evaluated
> against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result.= The
> language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators= ,
> and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough t= o be
> applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Addition= ally, this
> document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > collection mechanism to be evaluated.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- The WG will define a control plane function to en= able the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an exampl= e, a
> document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transf= er
> protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed= to
> demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- A method of expressing software metadata is neede= d that is suitable for
> use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track docum= ent
> that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to<= br> > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Soft= ware
> Identification (SWID) tag standard.
> [NCW]=C2=A0 I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as softwar= e metadata
> could also be represented with the Yang model?=C2=A0 Perhaps the inten= t is to
> show this as one example for how it can be expressed?=C2=A0 That is, t= here are
> other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be l= everaged.

[daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, wh= ich is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with work = on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be worked o= n. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identified an existing portion of adopted SACM wo= rk as something we plan to complete under this revised charter. This does n= ot exclude working on YANG models in SACM or elsewhere that relate to softw= are.]

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- To support collection of posture information from= traditional computing
> devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards t= rack
> documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of
> information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF = NEA.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- To provide for the integration of multiple standa= rds to support posture
> information collection, the WG will define best practices=C2=A0 for th= e collection of
> posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fr= om
> which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards.
> [NCW] This seems to
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-The WG will define standards track documents descr= ibing extensions to
> the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of<= br> > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative
> guidance.
> [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID,=C2=A0 there can= be
> other means for providing information exchange.=C2=A0 For example, usi= ng Yang
> model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange.

[daw: This work item addresses=C2=A0 draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredesc= riptor (which has been adopted) and
draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software de= scriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID info= rmation (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide golde= n measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other security automation/assessment related use cases= . Configuration setting checklists expressed in a machine readable form are= another example of imperative guidance that can be exchanged over ROLIE wi= th the definition of a proper extension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive collection and evaluation by= defining what needs to be gathered and what the expected state must be acc= ording to policy. ROLIE exchanges are different than the exchanges supporte= d by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are focused on endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges of current state. Both the ven= dor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges are needed in my= view, since they support different aspects of the assessment workflow.]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a= SACM Architecture
> including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well= as a
> description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a= SACM
> Information Model.
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kar= en
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> O'Donoghue
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: sacm@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Folks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Below is a draft update to our charter based o= n discussion at the last IETF
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> some subsequent private discussions. Comments = welcome. Please
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> remember that we plan to call out specific dra= fts using the milestone
> process
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and not include them in the base charter.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Karen
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ***************
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> SACM Charter Proposal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2017-09-12
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Securing information and the systems that stor= e, process, and transmit
> that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> information is a challenging task for organiza= tions of all sizes, and many
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> security practitioners spend much of their tim= e on manual processes.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Standardized protocols and models aiding colle= ction and evaluation of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> endpoint attributes enable automation, thus fr= eeing practitioners to
> focus on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> high priority tasks.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> At its core, posture assessment consists of fi= ve basic steps, which the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> working group desires to fulfill in an innovat= ive, automated manner
> capable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1. Describe target endpoints
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to ass= ess 3. Collect and make
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> available specified elements' actual value= s 4. Compare actual element
> values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to expected element values 5. Make results ava= ilable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> This working group will focus on collection, e= valuation, and orchestration
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> communication, as described herein.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> A. Collection. The WG will define a standardiz= ed way to provide two
> types of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> imperative guidance to collectors over varying= collection mechanisms:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2) What to collect from these target endpoints= .
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> When classified, a set of instructions (such a= s vulnerability description
> data,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> YANG filter expressions, Windows Management In= strumentation classes,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate colle= ctors using the control
> plane
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> functions defined by "C. Orchestration an= d Communication" (below).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Detecting and classifying desired attributes b= eforehand may require
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> orchestrating functions that go beyond the set= of capabilities a collector
> can
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> provide, and will inform the requirements and = characteristics for "C.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Orchestration and Communication". The wor= king group recognizes that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manual configuration of targets and correspond= ing collection profiles will
> not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> B. Evaluation. The working group will standard= ize a criteria language
> enabling
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> evaluation of actual endpoint posture informat= ion against desired
> endpoint
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> posture information to produce a standardized = result. This extensible
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> language will support complex Boolean statemen= ts, comparison
> operators,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> logical flow statements, and functions for str= ing manipulation.
> Additionally,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the working group will seek to discover an app= roach that allows data from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> any posture collection mechanism to be generic= ally evaluated.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> C. Orchestration and Communication. The workin= g group will define a set
> of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> control plane functions to enable the discover= y and orchestration
> between
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> devices that can provide the requisite informa= tion sought by posture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> collectors, posture evaluators, data repositor= ies, and other SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> architectural components.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Due to the breadth of this work, the working g= roup will address
> enterprise
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endp= oint posture (using the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5= 209). The working group
> will,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existi= ng work.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Specific work items will include the following= :
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Collection: The WG will define a way to prov= ide two types of imperative
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Wh= ich target endpoints to
> collect
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> from and 2) what to collect from these target = endpoints. When classified,
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> set of instructions, such as vulnerability des= cription data or YANG filter
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> expressions, can be brokered to the appropriat= e collectors. Detecting
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> classifying beforehand might require orchestra= ting functions that go
> beyond
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the set of capabilities a SACM collector can p= rovide.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Evaluation: The working group will describe = a criteria language capable
> of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> being evaluated against endpoint posture infor= mation to produce a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> standardized result. The language will support= complex Boolean
> statements,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> comparison operators, and functions for string= manipulation; and will be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> extensible enough to be applicable to the full= range of collected posture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> attributes. Additionally, this document will d= escribe an approach that
> allows
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> data from any posture collection mechanism to = be evaluated.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Messaging: The WG will define a control plan= e function to enable the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> discovery and orchestration between devices th= at can provide the
> requisite
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> information sought by posture collectors, post= ure evaluators or both. As
> an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> example, a document that describes an instance= of such a control plane
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> transfer protocol for data, is through the use= of XMPP and extensions as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> needed to demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicabi= lity to SACM.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Additionally, the working group will describe:= 1) a SACM Architecture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> including protocol requirements and their asso= ciated use cases as well as
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> description of how SACM protocols fit together= into a system, and 2) a
> SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Information Model.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring WG of the IETF. Title : Software Inventory Message and Attributes (SWIMA) for PA-TNC Authors : Charles Schmidt Daniel Haynes Chris Coffin David Waltermire Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay Filename : draft-ietf-sacm-nea-swima-patnc-01.txt Pages : 92 Date : 2017-09-22 Abstract: This document extends the PA-TNC specification [RFC5792] by providing specific attributes and message exchanges to allow endpoints to report their installed software inventory information to a NEA server (as described in [RFC5209]). 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Briefly: - Fixed a few typos and poorly worded sentences - Replaced SW Attributes, SW_Error, SW-PC, SW-PV and similar with SWIMA Att= ributes, SWIMA_ERROR, SWIMA-PC, SWIMA-PV, etc. - Removed the table of TNC-NEA equivalencies in section 1. - Updated definitions of SWIMA-PC, SWIMA-PV, and SWIMA Attribute - Clarified the meaning of the "reliable delivery" requirements - Clarified the meanings of data model vs. record vs. attribute - Clarified early that SWIMA is an extension of PA-TNC/NEA - Added a reference to NISTIR 8060 Thanks to Adam and Nancy for the suggestions. Any additional feedback is we= lcome. 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(Fed)" , "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114698be8976ff055a0557c0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:37:58 -0000 --001a114698be8976ff055a0557c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suspect the place we are all getting confused is where the draft charter states: "Specific work items will include the following:". Presumably, what follows is work items the group intend to complete. I think Stephen's edits were merely an attempt to ensure that those items also included work the group has already adopted. We need to decide if we want this charter to include any work items at all. If so, we should include all the work items we have adopted, at a minimum. If folks have additional work they intend to bring to SACM, and want to include those items in the charter, I am open to that. If we decide that we do not want to include specific work items in the charter text, then everything from "Specific work items will include the following" through to the end of the charter should be struck, and we should spend some time ensuring that adopted and proposed work items are abstractly included in the earlier text of the charter. +1 to Eric's proposed edits to the charter text. Jess On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > Yes, what you say is technically true - the work items in the charter do > not talk to specific drafts. But, the descriptions are detailed enough to > draw very straight lines to specific drafts. > > It's up to the group what we want to do, I'm sure. To me, it matters less > where these things go and more about whether the group has agreement. But= , > I do like the idea of abstract characteristics in the charter and specifi= cs > in the milestones. > > Adam > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:12 AM Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) < > stephen.banghart@nist.gov> wrote: > >> The draft charter as it stands does not call out any specific drafts, bu= t >> rather work items that the group is interested in. The version that Kare= n >> sent out on the 12th included 5 such items, one for collection, one for >> evaluation, one for messaging, one for a SACM architecture, and one for = a >> SACM information model. My edits included 4 additional items, bringing t= he >> total list to 9. >> >> >> >> I agree that the milestones system would be the perfect place to call ou= t >> specific drafts and the timing around them. >> >> >> >> -Stephen >> >> >> >> *From:* Waltermire, David A. (Fed) >> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 10:14 AM >> *To:* Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) ; Adam Montville < >> adam.w.montville@gmail.com>; Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) < >> stephen.banghart@nist.gov>; sacm@ietf.org >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM >> >> >> >> The charter should describe the work we are planning to do. The >> milestones should reflect the timing. Given that this group has suffered >> from a lack of agreement around what we are working on, I think it is >> prudent to be more concrete about our work items in the charter. I know = of >> other WGs that do this when it serves their needs. I think we should kee= p >> and refine the work items text to get to a consensus position on what wo= rk >> needs to be done. >> >> >> >> All of the work listed either is being worked on or has interested >> parties that are willing to do the work. This is another good reason to >> move forward with these work items. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" >> Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400 >> To: Adam Montville , "Waltermire, David A. >> (Fed)" , "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" < >> stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, sacm@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM >> >> Hi Adam, >> >> Thanks for that reminder=E2=80=A6.and yes, that was the gist of my comme= nts. >> That is, the charter is to define the intent of goals vs. calling out >> explicit drafts as those are best addressed in milestones=E2=80=A6.I am = fine with >> the first proposed set of changes posted by Karen. In general, I felt t= he >> additions are more suited for milestones. >> >> >> >> Nancy. >> >> >> >> *From: *Adam Montville >> *Date: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM >> *To: *"Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , " >> ncamwing@cisco.com" , "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" < >> stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, "sacm@ietf.org" >> *Subject: *Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM >> >> >> >> Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if we adhered to >> Karen's initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using >> the milestone process and not include them in the base charter"? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < >> david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: >> >> Comments inline below. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam- >> > Winget (ncamwing) >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM >> > To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) ; >> > sacm@ietf.org >> > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM >> > >> > Please see my comments below: >> > >> > On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" >> > wrote: >> > >> > All, >> > >> > After discussion with a few other SACM document authors this >> version of >> > the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are >> > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items >> section >> > that covers other work currently being done in the WG. >> > >> > Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on this proposed >> > draft update? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Stephen Banghart >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------------------- >> > >> > SACM Charter Proposal >> > 2017-09-12 >> > >> > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and >> transmit >> > that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, >> and many >> > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. >> > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of >> > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to >> focus on >> > high priority tasks . >> > >> > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, >> which the >> > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner >> capable >> > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: >> > >> > 1. Describe target endpoints >> > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess >> > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values >> > 4. Compare actual element values to expected element values >> > 5. Make results available >> > >> > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and >> orchestration >> > and communication, as described herein. >> > >> > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide tw= o >> types >> > of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s: >> > >> > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and >> > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. >> > >> > When classified , a set of instructions (such as vulnerability >> description >> > data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation >> > classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the >> control >> > plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" >> (below). >> > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require >> > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a >> collector can >> > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. >> > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that >> > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles >> will not >> > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. >> > >> > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria >> language >> > enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against >> desired >> > endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This >> > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, compariso= n >> > operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string >> manipulation. >> > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that >> allows >> > data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated= . >> > >> > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define = a >> set >> > of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration >> > between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by >> > posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other >> SACM >> > architectural components. >> > >> > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address >> enterprise >> > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the >> > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group >> will, >> > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. >> > [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.org/html/ >> draft-ietf- >> > sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitio= ns >> > beyond =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cposture=E2=80=9D >> >> [daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggestin= g >> to add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work >> item, but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the >> charter. We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.] >> >> > >> > Specific work items will include the following: >> > >> > - The WG will define a way to provide two types of imperative >> guidance to >> > the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from >> and 2) >> > what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of >> > instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter >> expressions, >> > can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyi= ng >> > beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the se= t >> of >> > capabilities a SACM collector can provide. >> > >> > - The WG will describe a criteria language capable of being >> evaluated >> > against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. >> The >> > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators= , >> > and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough t= o >> be >> > applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. >> Additionally, this >> > document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture >> > collection mechanism to be evaluated. >> > >> > - The WG will define a control plane function to enable the >> discovery and >> > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on >> > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an >> example, a >> > document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transf= er >> > protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed >> to >> > demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM. >> > >> > - A method of expressing software metadata is needed that is >> suitable for >> > use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track >> document >> > that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to >> > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive >> > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 >> Software >> > Identification (SWID) tag standard. >> > [NCW] I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as software >> metadata >> > could also be represented with the Yang model? Perhaps the intent is = to >> > show this as one example for how it can be expressed? That is, there >> are >> > other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be >> leveraged. >> >> [daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, >> which is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with >> work on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be >> worked on. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identif= ied >> an existing portion of adopted SACM work as something we plan to complet= e >> under this revised charter. This does not exclude working on YANG models= in >> SACM or elsewhere that relate to software.] >> >> > >> > - To support collection of posture information from traditional >> computing >> > devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards >> track >> > documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of >> > information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF >> NEA. >> > >> > - To provide for the integration of multiple standards to support >> posture >> > information collection, the WG will define best practices for the >> collection of >> > posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fr= om >> > which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. >> > [NCW] This seems to >> > >> > -The WG will define standards track documents describing extension= s >> to >> > the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that >> > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of >> > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative >> > guidance. >> > [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID, there can be >> > other means for providing information exchange. For example, using Ya= ng >> > model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange. >> >> [daw: This work item addresses draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwaredescri= ptor >> (which has been adopted) and >> draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based software >> descriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID >> information (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provid= e >> golden measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and othe= r >> security automation/assessment related use cases. Configuration setting >> checklists expressed in a machine readable form are another example of >> imperative guidance that can be exchanged over ROLIE with the definition= of >> a proper extension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive >> collection and evaluation by defining what needs to be gathered and what >> the expected state must be according to policy. ROLIE exchanges are >> different than the exchanges supported by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are >> focused on endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges of current state. Both the >> vendor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges are needed= in >> my view, since they support different aspects of the assessment workflow= .] >> >> > >> > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM >> Architecture >> > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well >> as a >> > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a >> SACM >> > Information Model. >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Karen >> > > O'Donoghue >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM >> > > To: sacm@ietf.org >> > > Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM >> > > >> > > Folks, >> > > >> > > Below is a draft update to our charter based on discussion at th= e >> last IETF >> > and >> > > some subsequent private discussions. Comments welcome. Please >> > > remember that we plan to call out specific drafts using the >> milestone >> > process >> > > and not include them in the base charter. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > Karen >> > > >> > > *************** >> > > >> > > SACM Charter Proposal >> > > 2017-09-12 >> > > >> > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and >> transmit >> > that >> > > information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes= , >> and many >> > > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual >> processes. >> > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and >> evaluation of >> > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioner= s >> to >> > focus on >> > > high priority tasks. >> > > >> > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, >> which the >> > > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated >> manner >> > capable >> > > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: >> > > >> > > 1. Describe target endpoints >> > > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess 3. Collect and >> make >> > > available specified elements' actual values 4. Compare actual >> element >> > values >> > > to expected element values 5. Make results available >> > > >> > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and >> orchestration >> > and >> > > communication, as described herein. >> > > >> > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide >> two >> > types of >> > > imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection >> mechanisms: >> > > >> > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and >> > > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. >> > > >> > > When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability >> description >> > data, >> > > YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation >> classes, >> > > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the >> control >> > plane >> > > functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below= ). >> > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may >> require >> > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a >> collector >> > can >> > > provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics fo= r >> "C. >> > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes >> that >> > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection >> profiles will >> > not >> > > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. >> > > >> > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria >> language >> > enabling >> > > evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desire= d >> > endpoint >> > > posture information to produce a standardized result. This >> extensible >> > > language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison >> > operators, >> > > logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. >> > Additionally, >> > > the working group will seek to discover an approach that allows >> data from >> > > any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. >> > > >> > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will defin= e >> a set >> > of >> > > control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestratio= n >> > between >> > > devices that can provide the requisite information sought by >> posture >> > > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SAC= M >> > > architectural components. >> > > >> > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address >> > enterprise >> > > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (usin= g >> the >> > > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working >> group >> > will, >> > > whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work. >> > > >> > > Specific work items will include the following: >> > > >> > > - Collection: The WG will define a way to provide two types of >> imperative >> > > guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target >> endpoints to >> > collect >> > > from and 2) what to collect from these target endpoints. When >> classified, >> > a >> > > set of instructions, such as vulnerability description data or >> YANG filter >> > > expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. >> Detecting >> > and >> > > classifying beforehand might require orchestrating functions tha= t >> go >> > beyond >> > > the set of capabilities a SACM collector can provide. >> > > >> > > - Evaluation: The working group will describe a criteria languag= e >> capable >> > of >> > > being evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce = a >> > > standardized result. The language will support complex Boolean >> > statements, >> > > comparison operators, and functions for string manipulation; and >> will be >> > > extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of collecte= d >> posture >> > > attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an approac= h >> that >> > allows >> > > data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated. >> > > >> > > - Messaging: The WG will define a control plane function to >> enable the >> > > discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the >> > requisite >> > > information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or >> both. As >> > an >> > > example, a document that describes an instance of such a control >> plane >> > and >> > > transfer protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and >> extensions as >> > > needed to demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM. >> > > >> > > Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM >> Architecture >> > > including protocol requirements and their associated use cases a= s >> well as >> > a >> > > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, an= d >> 2) a >> > SACM >> > > Information Model. >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > sacm mailing list >> > > sacm@ietf.org >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sacm mailing list >> > sacm@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sacm mailing list >> > sacm@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >> _______________________________________________ >> sacm mailing list >> sacm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm >> >> > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > --001a114698be8976ff055a0557c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = suspect the place we are all getting confused is where the draft charter st= ates: "Specific work items will include the following:". Presumab= ly, what follows is work items the group intend to complete. I think Stephe= n's edits were merely an attempt to ensure that those items also includ= ed work the group has already adopted.

We need to decide if we want this charter= to include any work items at all. If so, we should include all the work it= ems we have adopted, at a minimum. If folks have additional work they inten= d to bring to SACM, and want to include those items in the charter, I am op= en to that.

If we decide that we do not want to include specific wor= k items in the charter text, then everything from "Specific work items= will include the following" through to the end of the charter should = be struck, and we should spend some time ensuring that adopted and proposed= work items are abstractly included in the earlier text of the charter.
=
+1 to Eri= c's proposed edits to the charter text.

Jess

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Adam = Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, what you say is technica= lly true - the work items in the charter do not talk to specific drafts. Bu= t, the descriptions are detailed enough to draw very straight lines to spec= ific drafts.

It's up to the group what we want to do= , I'm sure. To me, it matters less where these things go and more about= whether the group has agreement. But, I do like the idea of abstract chara= cteristics in the charter and specifics in the milestones.

Adam

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:12 AM Banghart, Stephen A= . (Fed) <= stephen.banghart@nist.gov> wrote:

The draft charter as it stands does not call out an= y specific drafts, but rather work items that the group is interested in. T= he version that Karen sent out on the 12th included 5 such items, one for collection, one for evaluation, one for mes= saging, one for a SACM architecture, and one for a SACM information model. = My edits included 4 additional items, bringing the total list to 9.<= u>

=C2=A0

I agree that the milestones system would be the per= fect place to call out specific drafts and the timing around them.

=C2=A0

-Stephen

=C2=A0

From: Waltermire, David A. (Fed)
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com>; Adam Montville <adam.w.montvill= e@gmail.com>; Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>; = sacm@ietf.org=


Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM

=C2=A0

The charter should describe the work we are planning= to do. The milestones should reflect the timing. Given that this group has= suffered from a lack of agreement around what we are working on, I think i= t is prudent to be more concrete about our work items in the charter. I know of other WGs that do this when it se= rves their needs. I think we should keep and refine the work items text to = get to a consensus position on what work needs to be done.

=C2=A0

All of the work listed either is being worked on or = has interested parties that are willing to do the work. This is another goo= d reason to move forward with these work items.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Dave



-------- Original Message --------
From: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" <ncamwing@cisco.com>
Date: Thu, September 21, 2017 8:42 PM -0400
To: Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>, "Waltermire, David A. = (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)&quo= t; <steph= en.banghart@nist.gov>, sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM

Hi Adam,

Thanks for that reminder=E2=80=A6.and yes, that was= the gist of my comments.=C2=A0 That is, the charter is to define the inten= t of goals vs. calling out explicit drafts as those are best addressed in milestones=E2=80=A6.I am fine with the first proposed set of = changes posted by Karen.=C2=A0 In general, I felt the additions are more su= ited for milestones.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Nancy.

=C2=A0

From: Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM
To: "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" <david.waltermire@nist.gov>= , "ncamwing@ci= sco.com" <ncamwing@cisco.com>, "Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed)" <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>, "sacm@ietf.org" <sacm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM<= /u>

=C2=A0

Would any of the additions/questions be addressed if= we adhered to Karen's initial reminder that "we plan to call out specific drafts using the mi= lestone process and not include them in the base charter"?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /p>

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM Waltermire, David A.= (Fed) <d= avid.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote:

Comments inline below.

Thanks,
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-
> Winget (ncamwing)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Banghart, Stephen A. (Fed) <stephen.banghart@nist.gov>;
> sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM
>
> Please see my comments below:
>
> On 9/18/17, 11:08 AM, "sacm on behalf of Banghart, Stephen A. (Fe= d)"
> <sacm-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of stephen.bang= hart@nist.gov> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0After discussion with a few other SACM document aut= hors this version of
> the new charter proposal was put together. The changes throughout are<= br> > minimal; the primary change is several additions to the work items sec= tion
> that covers other work currently being done in the WG.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/concerns on = this proposed
> draft update?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen Banghart
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SACM Charter Proposal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02017-09-12
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Securing information and the systems that store, pr= ocess, and transmit
> that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes,= and many
> security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of<= br> > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to f= ocus on
> high priority tasks .
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0At its core, posture assessment=C2=A0 consists of f= ive basic steps, which the
> working group desires to fulfill=C2=A0 in an innovative, automated man= ner capable
> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. Describe target endpoints
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Determine specific endpoint elements=C2=A0 to as= sess
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03. Collect and make available specified elements= 9; actual values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04. Compare actual element values to expected elemen= t values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A05. Make results available
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This working group will focus on collection, evalua= tion, and orchestration
> and communication, as described herein.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized wa= y to provide two types
> of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanism= s:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01) Which target endpoints to collect from, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02) What to collect from these target endpoints.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When classified , a set of instructions (such as vu= lnerability description
> data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation
> classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the= control
> plane functions=C2=A0 defined by "C. Orchestration and Communicat= ion" (below).
> Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a colle= ctor can
> provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for &quo= t;C.
> Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes th= at
> manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles = will not
> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a= criteria language
> enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against des= ired
> endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, compariso= n
> operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulat= ion.
> Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that= allows
> data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated= .
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0C. Orchestration and Communication. The working gro= up will define a set
> of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information=C2=A0 sough= t by
> posture collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other S= ACM
> architectural components.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Due to the breadth of this work, the working group = will address enterprise
> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the<= br> > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The working group = will,
> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existing work.
> [NCW] I think we need to incorporate https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-
> sacm-terminology as we need to have a well understood set of definitio= ns
> beyond =E2=80=9Cendpoint=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cposture=E2=80=9D

[daw: When you suggest incorporating sacm-terminology, are you suggesting t= o add it as a work item? I am in favor of adding terminology as a work item= , but I am concerned with referencing unstable terminology in the charter. = We don't want the meaning of the charter to change over time.]

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Specific work items will include the following:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 The WG will define a way to provide two typ= es of imperative guidance to
> the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from= and 2)
> what to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of=
> instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG filter ex= pressions,
> can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifyi= ng
> beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the se= t of
> capabilities a SACM collector can provide.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 The WG will describe a criteria language ca= pable of being evaluated
> against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result.= The
> language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators= ,
> and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough t= o be
> applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Addition= ally, this
> document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > collection mechanism to be evaluated.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- The WG will define a control plane function to en= able the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. As an exampl= e, a
> document that describes an instance of such a control plane and transf= er
> protocol for data, is through the use of XMPP and extensions as needed= to
> demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicability to SACM.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- A method of expressing software metadata is neede= d that is suitable for
> use by constrained devices. The WG will create a standards track docum= ent
> that defines a CBOR-based format that represents software metadata to<= br> > include software identification, file hashes, and other descriptive > information. This format will be derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Soft= ware
> Identification (SWID) tag standard.
> [NCW]=C2=A0 I am not sure why this is called out explicitly as softwar= e metadata
> could also be represented with the Yang model?=C2=A0 Perhaps the inten= t is to
> show this as one example for how it can be expressed?=C2=A0 That is, t= here are
> other representations that the IETF is looking at that could also be l= everaged.

[daw: This work item description is for the draft-ietf-sacm-coswid work, wh= ich is SWID tag based. Doing this work is not mutually exclusive with work = on YANG-based software models. I personally believe both should be worked o= n. By including this work item, I wanted to make sure we identified an existing portion of adopted SACM wo= rk as something we plan to complete under this revised charter. This does n= ot exclude working on YANG models in SACM or elsewhere that relate to softw= are.]

>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- To support collection of posture information from= traditional computing
> devices (e.g., servers, laptops, etc.), the WG will create standards t= rack
> documents describing mechanisms for the collection and delivery of
> information about installed software on an endpoint by extending IETF = NEA.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- To provide for the integration of multiple standa= rds to support posture
> information collection, the WG will define best practices=C2=A0 for th= e collection of
> posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, fr= om
> which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards.
> [NCW] This seems to
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-The WG will define standards track documents descr= ibing extensions to
> the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE) that > provide IANA registrations and requirements to support the sharing of<= br> > software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative
> guidance.
> [NCW] Similar to my previous comment, about CBOR/SWID,=C2=A0 there can= be
> other means for providing information exchange.=C2=A0 For example, usi= ng Yang
> model and leveraging NETCONFs work for the information exchange.

[daw: This work item addresses=C2=A0 draft-banghart-sacm-rolie-softwar= edescriptor (which has been adopted) and
draft-mandm-sacm-rolie-configuration-checklist. The ROLIE-based softwa= re descriptor model supports vendor-to-enterprise exchange of CBOR/XML SWID= information (a type of imperative guidance), which can be used to provide = golden measurements, to construct vulnerability detection data, and other security automation/assessment related use cases= . Configuration setting checklists expressed in a machine readable form are= another example of imperative guidance that can be exchanged over ROLIE wi= th the definition of a proper extension. This imperative guidance can be used to drive collection and evaluation by= defining what needs to be gathered and what the expected state must be acc= ording to policy. ROLIE exchanges are different than the exchanges supporte= d by NETCONF and SWIMA, which are focused on endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges of current state. Both the ven= dor-to-enterprise and the endpoint-to-enterprise exchanges are needed in my= view, since they support different aspects of the assessment workflow.]
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a= SACM Architecture
> including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well= as a
> description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system, and 2) a= SACM
> Information Model.
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kar= en
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> O'Donoghue
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:48 PM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: sacm@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Folks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Below is a draft update to our charter based o= n discussion at the last IETF
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> some subsequent private discussions. Comments = welcome. Please
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> remember that we plan to call out specific dra= fts using the milestone
> process
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and not include them in the base charter.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Karen
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ***************
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> SACM Charter Proposal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2017-09-12
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Securing information and the systems that stor= e, process, and transmit
> that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> information is a challenging task for organiza= tions of all sizes, and many
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> security practitioners spend much of their tim= e on manual processes.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Standardized protocols and models aiding colle= ction and evaluation of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> endpoint attributes enable automation, thus fr= eeing practitioners to
> focus on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> high priority tasks.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> At its core, posture assessment consists of fi= ve basic steps, which the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> working group desires to fulfill in an innovat= ive, automated manner
> capable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1. Describe target endpoints
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to ass= ess 3. Collect and make
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> available specified elements' actual value= s 4. Compare actual element
> values
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to expected element values 5. Make results ava= ilable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> This working group will focus on collection, e= valuation, and orchestration
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> communication, as described herein.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> A. Collection. The WG will define a standardiz= ed way to provide two
> types of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> imperative guidance to collectors over varying= collection mechanisms:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2) What to collect from these target endpoints= .
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> When classified, a set of instructions (such a= s vulnerability description
> data,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> YANG filter expressions, Windows Management In= strumentation classes,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate colle= ctors using the control
> plane
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> functions defined by "C. Orchestration an= d Communication" (below).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Detecting and classifying desired attributes b= eforehand may require
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> orchestrating functions that go beyond the set= of capabilities a collector
> can
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> provide, and will inform the requirements and = characteristics for "C.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Orchestration and Communication". The wor= king group recognizes that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manual configuration of targets and correspond= ing collection profiles will
> not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> scale and does not seem to be a viable option.=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> B. Evaluation. The working group will standard= ize a criteria language
> enabling
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> evaluation of actual endpoint posture informat= ion against desired
> endpoint
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> posture information to produce a standardized = result. This extensible
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> language will support complex Boolean statemen= ts, comparison
> operators,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> logical flow statements, and functions for str= ing manipulation.
> Additionally,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the working group will seek to discover an app= roach that allows data from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> any posture collection mechanism to be generic= ally evaluated.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> C. Orchestration and Communication. The workin= g group will define a set
> of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> control plane functions to enable the discover= y and orchestration
> between
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> devices that can provide the requisite informa= tion sought by posture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> collectors, posture evaluators, data repositor= ies, and other SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> architectural components.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Due to the breadth of this work, the working g= roup will address
> enterprise
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> use cases pertaining to the assessment of endp= oint posture (using the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5= 209). The working group
> will,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> whenever reasonable and possible, reuse existi= ng work.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Specific work items will include the following= :
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Collection: The WG will define a way to prov= ide two types of imperative
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Wh= ich target endpoints to
> collect
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> from and 2) what to collect from these target = endpoints. When classified,
> a
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> expressions, can be brokered to the appropriat= e collectors. Detecting
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> classifying beforehand might require orchestra= ting functions that go
> beyond
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the set of capabilities a SACM collector can p= rovide.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Evaluation: The working group will describe = a criteria language capable
> of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> being evaluated against endpoint posture infor= mation to produce a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> standardized result. The language will support= complex Boolean
> statements,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> comparison operators, and functions for string= manipulation; and will be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> extensible enough to be applicable to the full= range of collected posture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> attributes. Additionally, this document will d= escribe an approach that
> allows
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> data from any posture collection mechanism to = be evaluated.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> - Messaging: The WG will define a control plan= e function to enable the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> discovery and orchestration between devices th= at can provide the
> requisite
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> information sought by posture collectors, post= ure evaluators or both. As
> an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> example, a document that describes an instance= of such a control plane
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> transfer protocol for data, is through the use= of XMPP and extensions as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> needed to demonstrate XMPP=E2=80=99s applicabi= lity to SACM.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Additionally, the working group will describe:= 1) a SACM Architecture
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> including protocol requirements and their asso= ciated use cases as well as
> a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> description of how SACM protocols fit together= into a system, and 2) a
> SACM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Information Model.
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--001a114698be8976ff055a0557c0-- From nobody Tue Sep 26 04:03:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A6B1326FE for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:03:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEGEvHQ4zfe0 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-edgeS23.fraunhofer.de (mail-edges23.fraunhofer.de [153.97.7.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20590132D54 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:03:27 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2EKAgDQM8pZ/xoBYJlbGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBg1pkA2snB4NvmhuBSyt5lT+CBAoYC4UYAoRKVwECAQEBAQECA2gogmVGLAEBAQEBAU8CPiwBAQEBAwEBIQ8BBTYLDAQJAhEBAwEBAQICIwMCAicfAQIBBQgGAQkDAQUCAQGKLgEEDIoPnWaCJ4seAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWBDoIdggKBUYFqK4JINYRIg0+CYAWYTYhTgQiBJoZFjX2Fb4NVBYcqiguLDwIEBgUCGQGBOViBDlMmXYcfdIdYAYEPAQEB X-IPAS-Result: A2EKAgDQM8pZ/xoBYJlbGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBg1pkA2snB4NvmhuBSyt5lT+CBAoYC4UYAoRKVwECAQEBAQECA2gogmVGLAEBAQEBAU8CPiwBAQEBAwEBIQ8BBTYLDAQJAhEBAwEBAQICIwMCAicfAQIBBQgGAQkDAQUCAQGKLgEEDIoPnWaCJ4seAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWBDoIdggKBUYFqK4JINYRIg0+CYAWYTYhTgQiBJoZFjX2Fb4NVBYcqiguLDwIEBgUCGQGBOViBDlMmXYcfdIdYAYEPAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,440,1500933600"; d="scan'208";a="53492620" Received: from mail-mtaka26.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.26]) by mail-edgeS23.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 26 Sep 2017 13:03:06 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,440,1500933600"; d="scan'208";a="261828586" X-IronPort-Outbreak-Status: No, level 0, Unknown - Unknown Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de ([141.12.72.89]) by mail-mtaka26.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 26 Sep 2017 13:03:00 +0200 Received: from mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (mail.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.84.171]) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id v8QB2vPu009277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:02:59 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.50] (134.102.43.163) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:02:52 +0200 To: "Eric Voit (evoit)" , "Waltermire, David A. (Fed)" , "Karen O'donoghue" CC: "sacm@ietf.org" References: <18db07bba1b94258a02b56a0bce92545@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> From: Henk Birkholz Message-ID: <488f0d57-8caa-d02b-c04a-0a2f1de217b1@sit.fraunhofer.de> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:02:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18db07bba1b94258a02b56a0bce92545@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [134.102.43.163] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:03:33 -0000 Hello Eric, thank you for the improvement! +1 Viele Grü0e, Henk On 09/22/2017 08:35 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > Hi David, > > My proposed  changes would be: > > Collection: The WG will define a way to provide three types of > imperative guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target > endpoints to collect from, 2) what to collect from these target > endpoints and 3) how quickly after an attribute change information must > be collected. When classified, a set of instructions, such as > vulnerability description data or YANGexpressions, can be brokered to > the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifying beforehand might > require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities > some SACM collectors can provide. > > ... > > Messaging: The WG will define a control plane function to enable > discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the > requisite information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators > or both. For example, XMPP capable host/endpoint interactions may be > defined through XMPP control plane and data transfer protocol > extensions.  Likewise, the asynchronous push of selected attributes on > switches and routers may be framed using YANG Push for periodic and > on-change triggers. > > Eric > > > From: Waltermire, David A., September 19, 2017 10:52 AM > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > +1. Referencing the YANG Push work in the NETCONF WG seems like a > > > reasonable thing to do. Do you have some text in mind? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric Voit > > > > (evoit) > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:19 PM > > > > To: Karen O'donoghue > > > > > Cc: sacm@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [sacm] Draft updated charter for SACM > > > > > > > > Hi Karen, > > > > > > > > I can see YANG filter expressions addressing work described in the > > > > charter proposal.  To accomplish collection asynchronously in step 3 > > > > for switches and routers, is it worth explicitly referencing the set > > > > of YANG Push work in the NETCONF WG? > > > > > > > > As YANG push includes control plane messaging, discovery, and > > > > operations mechanisms, this might be a reasonable match for the > > > > collection and messaging work items where SACM wants to track the > > > > postures of Network Elements. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/12/17, 9:47 AM, "sacm on behalf of Karen O'Donoghue" > > > bounces@ietf.org on behalf of > odonoghue@isoc.org > wrote: > > > > > > > >     Folks, > > > > > > > >     Below is a draft update to our charter based on discussion at the > > > > last IETF and some subsequent private discussions. Comments welcome. > > > > Please remember that we plan to call out specific drafts using the > > > > milestone process and not include them in the base charter. > > > > > > > >     Regards, > > > >     Karen > > > > > > > >     *************** > > > > > > > >     SACM Charter Proposal > > > >     2017-09-12 > > > > > > > >     Securing information and the systems that store, process, and > > > > transmit that information is a challenging task for organizations of > > > > all sizes, and many security practitioners spend much of their time > on manual > > > processes. > > > > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of > > > > endpoint attributes enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to > > > > focus on high priority tasks. > > > > > > > >     At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, > > > > which the working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated > > > > manner capable of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > > > > > > >     1. Describe target endpoints > > > >     2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > > > >     3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > > > >     4. Compare actual element values to expected element values > > > >     5. Make results available > > > > > > > >     This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and > > > > orchestration and communication, as described herein. > > > > > > > >     A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide > > > > two types of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection > > > mechanisms: > > > > > > > >     1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > > > >     2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > > > > > > >     When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability > > > > description data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management > > > > Instrumentation classes, > > > > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control > > > > plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" > (below). > > > > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > > > > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a > > > > collector can provide, and will inform the requirements and > characteristics for > > > "C. > > > > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that > > > > manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles > > > > will not scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > > > > > > >     B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria > > > > language enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information > > > > against desired endpoint posture information to produce a standardized > > > > result. This extensible language will support complex Boolean > > > > statements, comparison operators, logical flow statements, and > functions for > > > string manipulation. > > > > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that > > > > allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically > > > evaluated. > > > > > > > >     C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define > > > > a set of control plane functions to enable the discovery and > > > > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite > > > > information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators, data > > > > repositories, and other SACM architectural components. > > > > > > > >     Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > > > > enterprise use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture > > > > (using the definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). The > > > > working group will, whenever reasonable and possible, reuse > existing work. > > > > > > > >     Specific work items will include the following: > > > > > > > >     - Collection: The WG will define a way to provide two types of > > > > imperative guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target > > > > endpoints to collect from and 2) what to collect from these target > > > > endpoints. When classified, a set of instructions, such as > > > > vulnerability description data or YANG filter expressions, can be > > > > brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifying > > > > beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the > set of > > > capabilities a SACM collector can provide. > > > > > > > >     - Evaluation: The working group will describe a criteria language > > > > capable of being evaluated against endpoint posture information to > > > > produce a standardized result. The language will support complex > > > > Boolean statements, comparison operators, and functions for string > > > > manipulation; and will be extensible enough to be applicable to the > > > > full range of collected posture attributes. Additionally, this > > > > document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture > > > collection mechanism to be evaluated. > > > > > > > >     - Messaging: The WG will define a control plane function to enable > > > > the discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the > > > > requisite information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators > > > > or both. As an example, a document that describes an instance of such > > > > a control plane and transfer protocol for data, is through the use of > > > > XMPP and extensions as needed to demonstrate XMPP’s applicability to > > > SACM. > > > > > > > >     Additionally, the working group will describe: 1) a SACM > > > > Architecture including protocol requirements and their associated use > > > > cases as well as a description of how SACM protocols fit together into > > > > a system, and 2) a SACM Information Model. > > > > > > > >     _______________________________________________ > > > >     sacm mailing list > > > > sacm@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sacm mailing list > > > > sacm@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > From nobody Tue Sep 26 08:21:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCCF134213 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, Below is the edited version of the charter update that was produced during = the virtual interim today. Thanks to all who participated in the resolution= of the comments. This version resolves all the comments received on the ma= iling list and will be forwarded to Kathleen for review. Regards, Karen ************** SACM Revised Charter 2017-09-26 Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmit that= information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, and many= security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. Stand= ardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of endpoint a= ttributes enables automation, thus freeing practitioners to focus on high p= riority tasks. At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which the wor= king group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capable of= avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: 1. Identify and characterize target endpoints 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values 4. Compare actual element values to expected element values 5. Make results available This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orchestration = and communication, as described herein. A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types o= f imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability description d= ata, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation classes, e= tc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control plane = functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). Detectin= g and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require orchestrating f= unctions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collector can provide, an= d will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. Orchestration an= d Communication". The working group recognizes that manual configuration of= targets and corresponding collection profiles will not scale and does not = seem to be a viable option. B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language enabl= ing evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired endpo= int posture information to produce a standardized result. This extensible l= anguage will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, logi= cal flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. Additionally, t= he working group will seek to discover an approach that allows data from an= y posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a set of = control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration between d= evices that can provide the requisite information sought by posture collect= ors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM architectural co= mponents. Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address enterprise = use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the defin= itions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). In alignment with RFC 5209, = a network device is an endpoint. Specific work items will include the following: - Define a way to provide three types of imperative guidance to the correct= SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and 2) what to = collect from these target endpoints, and 3) how quickly after an attribute = change information must be collected. When classified, a set of instruction= s, such as vulnerability description data or YANG expressions, can be broke= red to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifying beforehand mig= ht require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities s= ome SACM collectors can provide. - Define an extension of IETF NEA to collect and deliver information about = firmware, operating systems, and software installed on an endpoint. - Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint = posture information to produce a standardized result. The language will sup= port complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, and functions for st= ring manipulation; and will be extensible enough to be applicable to the fu= ll range of collected posture attributes. Additionally, this document will = describe an approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism= to be evaluated. - Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and orchestration= between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by postu= re collectors, posture evaluators or both. For example, XMPP capable host/e= ndpoint interactions may be defined through XMPP control plane and data tra= nsfer protocol extensions. Likewise, the asynchronous push of selected att= ributes on switches and routers may be framed using YANG Push for periodic = and on-change triggers. - Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use = by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/I= EC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. - Define best practices for the collection of posture information from endp= oints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be distributed usi= ng the SACM messaging standards. - Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the sharing= of software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative guid= ance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information = Exchange (ROLIE). - Describe a SACM Information Model and a SACM Architecture including proto= col requirements and their associated use cases as well as a description of= how SACM protocols fit together into a system. --_000_D064BC29CA004AD18CFEF27838D16091isocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <02DBA23965B1CF41AD77BAF6B2918A2A@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks,

Below is the edited version of the charter update that was = produced during the virtual interim today. Thanks to all who participated i= n the resolution of the comments. This version resolves all the comments re= ceived on the mailing list and will be forwarded to Kathleen for review. 

Regards,
Karen

**************

SACM Revised Charter
2017-09-26

Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmit that= information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, and many= security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. Stand= ardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of endpoint attributes enables automation, thus = freeing practitioners to focus on high priority tasks.  

At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which the wor= king group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capable of= avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:

1. Identify and characterize target endpoints
2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess
3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values
4. Compare actual element values to expected element values
5. Make results available

This working group will focus on collection, eva= luation, and orchestration and communication, as described herein.

A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types o= f imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms:&nbs= p;

1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and 
2) What to collect from these target endpoints. 

When classified, a set of instructions (such as = vulnerability description data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management= Instrumentation classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control plane functions d= efined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). Detecting= and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require orchestrating fu= nctions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collector can provide, and will inform the requirements and characterist= ics for "C. Orchestration and Communication". The working group r= ecognizes that manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection= profiles will not scale and does not seem to be a viable option.

B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language enabl= ing evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired endpo= int posture information to produce a standardized result. This extensible l= anguage will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, logical flow statements, and functions f= or string manipulation. Additionally, the working group will seek to discov= er an approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be= generically evaluated.

C. Orchestration and Communication. The working = group will define a set of control plane functions to enable the discovery = and orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by posture collectors, postur= e evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM architectural components.&n= bsp;

Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address enterprise = use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the defin= itions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). In alignment with RFC 5209, = a network device is an endpoint.

Specific work items will include the following:<= br class=3D"">
- Define a way to provide three types of imperative guidance to the correct= SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and 2) what to = collect from these target endpoints, and 3) how quickly after an attribute = change information must be collected. When classified, a set of instructions, such as vulnerability description = data or YANG expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. De= tecting and classifying beforehand might require orchestrating functions th= at go beyond the set of capabilities some SACM collectors can provide. 

- Define an extension of IETF NEA to collect and= deliver information about firmware, operating systems, and software instal= led on an endpoint.

- Describe a criteria language capable of being = evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized re= sult. The language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, and functions for string manipul= ation; and will be extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of = collected posture attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an = approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated.

- Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and orchestration= between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by postu= re collectors, posture evaluators or both. For example, XMPP capa= ble host/endpoint interactions may be defined through XMPP control plane and data transfer protocol extensions.  Li= kewise, the asynchronous push of selected attributes on switches and router= s may be framed using YANG Push for periodic and on-change triggers.=

- Define a method of expressing software metadat= a that is suitable for use by constrained devices including a <= span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;" class=3D= "">CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag= standard.

- Define best practices for the collection of po= sture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from whic= h it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. 

- Extend existing standards for information exch= ange to support the sharing of software, configuration information, and oth= er forms of imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLI= E).

- Describe a SACM Information Model and a SACM A= rchitecture including protocol requirements and their associated use cases = as well as a description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system.

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Hello SACM!

I've compiled and poste= d meeting notes at [1] and the link to the streaming recording of the meeti= ng is at [2]. Thanks to each of you for participating, and please do opine = on the updated re-charter draft posted to the list (see [3]).
Kind regards,

Adam
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Wed, 27 Sep 2017 07:40:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <15836D1D-5C42-49D1-8278-72AB948927A4@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <15836D1D-5C42-49D1-8278-72AB948927A4@isoc.org> From: Adam Montville Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 14:40:18 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Karen O'Donoghue" Cc: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0afe3ee16961055a2cc567" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] 2017-09-26 Virtual Interim Notes and Recording X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 14:47:47 -0000 --94eb2c0afe3ee16961055a2cc567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes!! Thank you for reminding us about that, Karen! On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:10 AM Karen O'Donoghue wrote= : > On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Adam Montville > wrote: > > Hello SACM! > > I've compiled and posted meeting notes at [1] and the link to the > streaming recording of the meeting is at [2]. Thanks to each of you for > participating, and please do opine on the updated re-charter draft posted > to the list (see [3]). > > > Yes=E2=80=A6 feel free to opine on the charter=E2=80=A6. BUT=E2=80=A6 now= is the time for changes > at the level of change =E2=80=9Cthis=E2=80=9D text to =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80= =9D=E2=80=A6 Specific wording changes only > please. > > Karen > > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2017-sacm-03/materials/minut= es-interim-2017-sacm-03-201709260900/ > > [2] > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/ldr.php?RCID=3Db701fb836f423b870231cdcc8ec2e8= 48 > [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sacm/IB_kCFizupDkiNY9lxPuxLrc0P= A > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > --94eb2c0afe3ee16961055a2cc567 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes!!=C2=A0Thank you for reminding us about that, Karen!= =C2=A0

On Wed, Sep 27,= 2017 at 9:10 AM Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Hello SACM!

I've compiled and posted meeting notes at [1] and the link to the = streaming recording of the meeting is at [2]. Thanks to each of you for par= ticipating, and please do opine on the updated re-charter draft posted to t= he list (see [3]).

Yes=E2=80=A6 feel free to opine on the charter=E2=80=A6. BUT=E2=80=A6 now i= s the time for changes at the level of change =E2=80=9Cthis=E2=80=9D text t= o =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 Specific wording changes only please.=C2= =A0

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There is a proposal to change the text in the fourth item of our first numbered list from "Compare actual element values to expected element values" to "Compare actual element values to acceptable element values." The proposal additionally offers that "policy-compliant" could be used in place of "acceptable". This change seems sane to me. Kind regards, Adam [1] https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/issues/30 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:21 AM Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > Folks, > > Below is the edited version of the charter update that was produced during > the virtual interim today. Thanks to all who participated in the resolution > of the comments. This version resolves all the comments received on the > mailing list and will be forwarded to Kathleen for review. > > Regards, > Karen > > ************** > > SACM Revised Charter > 2017-09-26 > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmit > that information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, and > many security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of > endpoint attributes enables automation, thus freeing practitioners to focus > on high priority tasks. > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which the > working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capable > of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > 1. Identify and characterize target endpoints > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > 4. Compare actual element values to expected element values > 5. Make results available > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orchestration > and communication, as described herein. > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types > of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms: > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > 2) What to collect from these target endpoints. > > When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability description > data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation classes, > etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control plane > functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). > Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require > orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collector > can provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. > Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that manual > configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles will not > scale and does not seem to be a viable option. > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language > enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired > endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that > allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically > evaluated. > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a set of > control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration between > devices that can provide the requisite information sought by posture > collectors, posture evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM > architectural components. > > Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address enterprise > use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the > definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). In alignment with RFC > 5209, a network device is an endpoint. > > Specific work items will include the following: > > - Define a way to provide three types of imperative guidance to the > correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and 2) > what to collect from these target endpoints, and 3) how quickly after an > attribute change information must be collected. When classified, a set of > instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG expressions, > can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. Detecting and classifying > beforehand might require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of > capabilities some SACM collectors can provide. > > - Define an extension of IETF NEA to collect and deliver information about > firmware, operating systems, and software installed on an endpoint. > > - Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint > posture information to produce a standardized result. The language will > support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, and functions for > string manipulation; and will be extensible enough to be applicable to the > full range of collected posture attributes. Additionally, this document > will describe an approach that allows data from any posture collection > mechanism to be evaluated. > > - Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. For example, XMPP > capable host/endpoint interactions may be defined through XMPP control > plane and data transfer protocol extensions. Likewise, the asynchronous > push of selected attributes on switches and routers may be framed using > YANG Push for periodic and on-change triggers. > > - Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use > by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the > ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. > > - Define best practices for the collection of posture information from > endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be distributed > using the SACM messaging standards. > > - Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the > sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of > imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented > Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). > > - Describe a SACM Information Model and a SACM Architecture including > protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well as a > description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system. > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --f403045d9bd8970412055a426549 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Karen,=C2=A0

From a comment received on= a hackathon issue (see [1]). There is a proposal to change the text in the= fourth item of our first numbered list from "Compare actual element v= alues to expected element values" to "Compare actual element valu= es to acceptable element values." The proposal additionally offers tha= t "policy-compliant" could be used in place of "acceptable&q= uot;.

This change seems sane to me.

=
Kind regards,

Adam

=

[1]=C2=A0https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/i= ssues/30=C2=A0

On Tu= e, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:21 AM Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org> wrote:
Folks,

Below is the edited version of the charter update that was produced du= ring the virtual interim today. Thanks to all who participated in the resol= ution of the comments. This version resolves all the comments received on t= he mailing list and will be forwarded to Kathleen for review.=C2=A0

Regards,
Karen

**************

SACM Revised Charter
2017-09-26

Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmit that= information is a challenging task for organizations of all sizes, and many= security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. Stand= ardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of endpoint attributes enables automation, thus = freeing practitioners to focus on high priority tasks. =C2=A0

At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which the wor= king group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capable of= avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:

1. Identify and characterize target endpoints
2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess
3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values
4. Compare actual element values to expected element values
5. Make results available

This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orc= hestration and communication, as described herein.

A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types o= f imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms:=C2= =A0

1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and=C2=A0
2) What to collect from these target endpoints.=C2=A0

When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability de= scription data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation= classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control plane functions d= efined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). Detecting= and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require orchestrating fu= nctions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collector can provide, and will inform the requirements and characterist= ics for "C. Orchestration and Communication". The working group r= ecognizes that manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection= profiles will not scale and does not seem to be a viable option.

B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language enabl= ing evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired endpo= int posture information to produce a standardized result. This extensible l= anguage will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, logical flow statements, and functions f= or string manipulation. Additionally, the working group will seek to discov= er an approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be= generically evaluated.

C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will defin= e a set of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestratio= n between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by posture collectors, postur= e evaluators, data repositories, and other SACM architectural components.= =C2=A0

Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address enterprise = use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the defin= itions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). In alignment with RFC 5209, = a network device is an endpoint.

Specific work items will include the following:

- Define a way to provide three types of imperative guidance to the correct= SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and 2) what to = collect from these target endpoints, and 3) how quickly after an attribute = change information must be collected. When classified, a set of instructions, such as vulnerability description = data or YANG expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. De= tecting and classifying beforehand might require orchestrating functions th= at go beyond the set of capabilities some SACM collectors can provide.=C2=A0

- Define an extension of IETF NEA to collect and deliver informa= tion about firmware, operating systems, and software installed on an endpoi= nt.

- Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated agains= t endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. The langua= ge will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, and functions for string manipul= ation; and will be extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of = collected posture attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an = approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated.

- Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and orchestration= between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by postu= re collectors, posture evaluators or both. For=C2=A0example,=C2=A0XMPP capa= ble host/endpoint interactions may be defined through XMPP control plane and data transfer protocol extensions.=C2=A0 Li= kewise, the asynchronous push of selected attributes on switches and router= s may be framed using YANG Push for periodic and on-change triggers.=

- Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitab= le for use by constrained devices including a=C2=A0CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag= standard.

- Define best practices for the collection of posture informatio= n from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be dist= ributed using the SACM messaging standards.=C2=A0

- Extend existing standards for information exchange to support = the sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of impe= rative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLI= E).

- Describe a SACM Information Model and a SACM Architecture incl= uding protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well as a des= cription of how SACM protocols fit together into a system.

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--f403045d9bd8970412055a426549-- From nobody Thu Sep 28 09:29:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9B2134249 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d4re9jqxNDnt for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16DB01345DE for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:28:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5XgcNO48z/evaoZvDyg1dhiPfmE=; b=Y8fkhxaHOxTXorPR 2oaHfguXkLAobNqRS8G0i9+7yyi9etUcQyQKU6vh0yd7GHIkQypuYsTze/LDyzJe gktzOyZymCYmXbNzgEShSLUZ0XMAxf7AircABskxjPQ31tlQMft1uKT6otf0SVJw k8C/StadA1h2+fpR4mn6La3Q9BA= Received: by filter1143p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1143p1mdw1-15151-59CD2347-2E 2017-09-28 16:28:55.435959971 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0012p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id MmlaMPeeRsaeZPJSAVXrng for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:28:55.415 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:28:55 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario Cc: sacm , Comment Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cd23473270b_72823fe673028f34864f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: comment X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H+fl8XXag1I8Jtked1TL4xKHCG5rk1HYsCHPETktwNTmOwNVyAw1Hls1mX /khXj7sxlVSOPIqzgnYZLtGfQcGoLJdrchd50w0LZ0Hdb2ZHfkaHmjOeoyo5cqQMJrSi1OMfqU+Z3w W3pHu7X3PHVrU13RPCi2BIte3yNClZkvsG4UKwsPt9ZVJyoND1BnojQDD/OQrQuH/ZqqXwzPk025Zj U= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario] Validate Hackathon (100) Scope (#30) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:29:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cd23473270b_72823fe673028f34864f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, thanks for this comment. I've posted a note on the charter thread for yours. Henk, I'm not sure what you were suggesting in your comment, so if you have specific replacement text to propose for the charter, please comment directly in that thread. -- You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/issues/30#issuecomment-332891063 ----==_mimepart_59cd23473270b_72823fe673028f34864f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Joe, thanks for this comment. I've posted a note on the charter thread f= or yours. Henk, I'm not sure what you were suggesting in your comment, so i= f you have specific replacement text to propose for the charter, please com= ment directly in that thread.

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@henk= birkholz @djhaynes @wmunyan @david-waltermire-nist @strongX509 @canb227

Now that the charter discussion is in a reasonably stable place, we're g= etting the band back together to arrive at a mutually agreeable scope for h= ackathon 100. At the conclusion of hackathon 99, I put together this notion= al diagram as a straw man to get our conversation started: https://raw.githubusercon= tent.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/master/ietf_hackathon/graphics/hacka= thon_deployment_combined.png

Dave and Stephen believe that 99 gave them enough to go on for crafting = an evaluation language (outstanding!). For 100, I would propose that our de= sired outcome would be enough information/experience to have enough to go o= n for coming up with orchestration and collection guidance.

Please provide your thoughts on scope for 100 on this thread, so that th= e conversation is reflected in GitHub on the appropriate issue (or simply r= espond in GitHub directly).

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Kind regards,

Adam
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