From nobody Thu Nov 2 09:19:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E95213AB36 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRQhk1B3pB-u for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490AD13F649 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:19:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=c7WGaSdsnOurjn5PTWIEi9R67Vk=; b=ToD/mlZj6e7JpCoD dWpF5UcvTy8TEmcsn+DnGS59tcUlz+K0A/tjdiA2EKQn7ij2E/jt+K+D9mXzmNnk 4PqJhoRvaXAV2WerEez5fxJQZ/2Dml5SXDuFzfiE/ykFbuDQbuoBVWBu0LBHEl6P bYHPhfMCrlIoh+n96x/HUvpf8fA= Received: by filter0525p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0525p1iad2-19279-59FB457C-7 2017-11-02 16:19:08.263328505 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0011p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Jq807Hc9Tv-8GZa_rjnh6w for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:19:08.237 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:19:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Steffen Reply-To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario Cc: sacm , Comment Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59fb457c1e153_45273f9f86136f2c36949c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: strongX509 X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: comment X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org tracking: X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H3tNww669/rg2q2vl7b+NQkI3HqtTKUMfHwlWPv2uxZ0WbOos/M/HPouRj gZwz0hdBxhWVRcrQxOwutgwhMmYGrxRc/0xK9nT1S9N/wkYZrxGObH4jj7GuVCHY7fBXrHHWjETUk9 Kb2WyNfcQg7MBDsy8JBUf7I2cVS5+GzVT9GzX4XOBJ1UjZ7tDQJJrPwUmw== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] [sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario] Put broker device online for client development (#37) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 16:19:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59fb457c1e153_45273f9f86136f2c36949c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As an alternative to the Fraunhofer pxgrid broker I set up a strongswan.org XMPP-Grid server. The strongTNC endpoint collector already publishes newly generated SWID tags to the grid. I created XMPP user accounts for most people on the list. For details see https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_hackathon/strongSwan -- You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/issues/37#issuecomment-341475807 ----==_mimepart_59fb457c1e153_45273f9f86136f2c36949c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As an alternative to the Fraunhofer pxgrid broker I set up a strongswan= .org XMPP-Grid server. The strongTNC endpoint collector already publishes n= ewly generated SWID tags to the grid. I created XMPP user accounts for most= people on the list. For details see https://github= .com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/master/ietf_hackathon/strongSwan

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Andreas has put together an XMPP-Grid server - information here: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/mast= er/ietf_hackathon/strongSwan

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----==_mimepart_59fb4ed07cac2_50353fbc37178f3010198-- From nobody Tue Nov 7 05:34:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44F813FBA6 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tHs79Z3OKAT9 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6503313FAF3 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:34:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ZSCOepaGkyKFkv06wL0izlpsesA=; b=BtYitR2o5noP9i96 rPK2KEZjGKifM+K62Pq1gq5Nmaq0VdvFJhLesX8RhpDb9+pXiCQDon11dSXB5l3k C4pWAGlq/SGlHXzeIlIr7H/6zBWapgA98+MTE4sPewMwGv/lfkCMijM68/uYmh7v eMC81KOMEhn1iKZ992TxbpFL/ZE= Received: by filter0056p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0056p1iad2-20611-5A01B67A-21 2017-11-07 13:34:50.121132718 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0025p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id RJcRM95eRFqw-ENnK2yeEQ for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:34:50.040 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:34:50 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a01b67a7ebd_22353f85be150f301230f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org tracking: X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H/rbuwTXslxgYo7PNGEUw0VfApbASumPBF3DdRGaPbftACyfCr1jlgz4Sy OCPqFN/QdRZacbDllLcysA2bTf2chk/cly0C1C5/LCtE4yENNlLnQukZJZy+on4VVo0/W0B2rfJh/A cLmv56otWvm+VsvF72v6MTMNa7CsTBegdZZgHsd5enzaJ9khNFICRoJCpB8PIXORIZA3aSY2SYO73m M= Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario] StrongTNC Push SWID + SWIMA (#40) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:34:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a01b67a7ebd_22353f85be150f301230f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andreas: strongTNC is now pushing complete SWID tags and SWIMA events in real-time to the sacm/swidtags and sacm/events topics, respectively. The current encoding of the push items is XML. Experience gained: - It might be better to annouce new SWID tags by pushing either the tagID or the unique softwareID, only. Subscribers can then download the [potentially huge] SWID tag directly from the strongTNC publisher via the REST interface. - Should the REST URI be included in the push message for ease of use? - If yes, might a JSON encoding of the push messages be preferable? - Currently there is no persistence of the published messages. A subscriber can read them once and after that just the last message of each topic (node) which is cached. Should the Openfire XMPP server persist all messages? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/issues/40 ----==_mimepart_5a01b67a7ebd_22353f85be150f301230f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Andreas: strongTNC is now pushing complete SWID tags and SWIMA events in real-time to the sacm/swidtags and sacm/events topics, respectively. The current encoding of the push items is XML.

Experience gained:

  • It might be better to annouce new SWID tags by pushing either the tagID or the unique softwareID, only. Subscribers can then download the [potentially huge] SWID tag directly from the strongTNC publisher via the REST interface.
  • Should the REST URI be included in the push message for ease of use?
  • If yes, might a JSON encoding of the push messages be preferable?
  • Currently there is no persistence of the published messages. A subscriber can read them once and after that just the last message of each topic (node) which is cached. Should the Openfire XMPP server persist all messages?

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Not sure if this is still needed given the separate setup Andreas has created, and that we'll have an on-site setup.

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I think this is done.

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Reopened #42.

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Realized after closing that this may not be done. We'll determine disposition at our last planning meeting (later today).

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Update https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/tree/strongswan/ietf_hackathon/strongSwan with updated XMPP-Grid server information

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----==_mimepart_5a01b759e77e3_1f3e83fef7d63ef28262488-- From nobody Tue Nov 7 05:40:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91D113FE7E for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:40:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bU7UpEldpy8D for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70C5B13FAF3 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:40:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=qH585Ml7Ww4TsbjzF2SVCDElcrc=; b=RPCVBl1SJ2b3NBX9 65pcv8M4V2YAjpTWLupWwX8MOXFq4wGqK1aav2dnNI7Ba+E0H0a3DomBaZKEoaF/ 052khyhCeAfWrmpGnyV93AxGiETNqOEUPXsNvpQFySMIgxRnBxNwYokrftEjDhhq zKdK2jNMubcxgnpx6a2RlHG7tLQ= Received: by filter0468p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0468p1iad2-32204-5A01B7BC-B 2017-11-07 13:40:12.453063549 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0015p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id PL2-rPFxRZS74gso6tK1NA for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:40:12.449 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:40:12 +0000 (UTC) From: adammontville Reply-To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario To: sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a01b7bc5ec27_6b4d3f9855208f28256654"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: adammontville X-GitHub-Recipient: sacm X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: sacm@ietf.org tracking: X-SG-EID: UtArl2HfP/Y+1oZ8SNY9H9Y/ZpLlzex9B90ZJxZEMwRVw21VaM2ag4fMqx21hQlwji2CE0YJWsYmbC E9g3O0mJpNq7uLHR1duQDQT6nQauZeXK9pXo2U8w7KnBR1NtL9vHH9VexdjDMTv/y/fq9Lm45ZGbYr NV9SW5U1HElMfSZ7Ch9gRbVacl1ZuSPnFSpE3pzt2LemT4HEZiaTGvY9XA== Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] [sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario] Develop SACM Component: Imperative guidance repository (#44) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:40:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a01b7bc5ec27_6b4d3f9855208f28256654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the last planning meeting Henk suggested that we develop an imperative guidance repository. What do we need to do to make this happen? What should such imperative guidance look like? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/sacmwg/vulnerability-scenario/issues/44 ----==_mimepart_5a01b7bc5ec27_6b4d3f9855208f28256654 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At the last planning meeting Henk suggested that we develop an imperative guidance repository. What do we need to do to make this happen? What should such imperative guidance look like?

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When we arrive and begin setting up for the hackathon, we need to ensure this device is available. If it's not, we'll have to modify our plans somewhat.

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Ensure the Cisco 3850 is flashed with appropriate yang-push capabilities for target element acquisition (we'll need Eric for this).

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Good Morning Singapore!
It is 2 AM in Switzerland. I'm ready to take part in the Hackathon. How are we going to communicate?

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----==_mimepart_5a06b763cb1d2_2ddef3fbfc3454f307968d1-- From nobody Sat Nov 11 18:00:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69250124BFA; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:00:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: sacm-chairs@ietf.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151045203838.30820.6695700355109731427.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 18:00:38 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 02:00:38 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This seems fine to me. Some editorial nits below > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmit > that information is a challenging task for enterprises of all sizes, and many > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of endpoint > attributes enables automation, thus freeing practitioners to focus on high Nit: models .... enable > priority tasks. Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address > enterprise use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using > the definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). In alignment with RFC > 5209, a network device is an endpoint. > > At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which the working > group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capable of avoiding You're rechartering, so maybe it's less innovative than it was last time :) > ad hoc or scheduled assessments: > > 1. Identify and characterize target endpoints > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > 4. Compare actual element values to policy compliant element values > 5. Make results available > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orchestration and > communication, as described herein. > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types of > imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms: I'm not sure what "imperative guidance" means in this context. From nobody Sat Nov 11 19:13:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2427E1201FA; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:13:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alexey Melnikov To: "The IESG" Cc: sacm-chairs@ietf.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151045639812.30780.12085801912635330048.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:13:18 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 03:13:18 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "IETF NEA" probably needs a reference to somebody not familiar with the field. From nobody Sat Nov 11 21:08:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33ED0126C0F; Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:08:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: sacm-chairs@ietf.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151046328515.30812.2202568943923590816.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:08:05 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Benoit Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 05:08:05 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The charter is very generic and broad: model, collection, evaluation, orchestration and communication, control plane, a criteria language. I provided feedback to SACM a few times. I trust the responsible AD to do the right thing. I wonder why you impose CBOR in the charter. Can we get the milestones please. Regards, Benoit. From nobody Mon Nov 13 00:33:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BECA126B6E; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:33:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: sacm-chairs@ietf.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151056201956.21474.17279905927290300994.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:33:39 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 08:33:49 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Editorial Comments: I find the charter a little hard to understand in places. This may be entirely due to my lack of familiarity with the subject. "At its core, posture assessment consists of five basic steps, which the working group desires to fulfill in an innovative, automated manner capable of avoiding ad hoc or scheduled assessments:" I assume the workgroup wants to enable automation of those steps. The language sounds like the workgroup intends to fulfill it's goals in an automated manner. "A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types of imperative guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms:" I don't understand what is meant by "imperative guidance". Is that a term of art? Is it different than "information"? "When classified, a set of instructions (such as vulnerability description data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below)." This is the first mention of classification. It would help to mention what sort of classification is envisioned. "Detecting and classifying desired attributes beforehand may require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collector can provide, and will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. Orchestration and Communication"." I don't understand the sentence. "C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a set of control plane functions to enable the discovery and orchestration between devices" Discovery and orchestration of what? Several of the "specific work items" seem like repetitions of the "lettered" goals. (Note that much of the language that I found confusing is repeated in the "Specific work item" section. From nobody Tue Nov 14 01:57:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBB41293DF; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:57:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: sacm-chairs@ietf.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151065343086.5833.7691308067273952298.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:57:10 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Abstain_on_charter-ietf?= =?utf-8?q?-sacm-02-00=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:57:11 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Given the charter has changed substantially and I am not familiar with the current state of work of the group, I'm afraid I can't provide any valuable input about the recharting and will therefore abstain. 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Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:09:23 -0000 --001a11c14658ae4067055e060c78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris & Karen, Thanks for sending this out. Here are some thoughts that Bill and I have on getting milestones built out from our possible work items. I've organized this note by work item in the order they appear in our draft charter presently under consideration. Before getting into the per-work-item notes, I thought it would be good to list the drafts we think could be created in pursuit of fulfilling our charter. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D *Draft Suggestions (without timelines):* Given all of the above, the following could be milestone items (i.e. drafts): - Endpoint identification and targeting - Endpoint element description - ECP - SWIMA - Criteria/evaluation language - Datastream over transfer mechanism - ECP over transfer mechanism - YANG-push over transfer mechanism - IPFIX over transfer mechanism - CoSWID - General purpose OS posture collection best practice - Web server posture collection best practice - Database server posture collection best practice - ROLIE software descriptor - ROLIE configuration checklist information type - ROLIE configuration descriptor - ROLIE vulnerability information descriptor Other drafts: - Terminology - Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations - Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others) - Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration) (These last three may be useful for supporting development of the drafts previously listed.) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D *First Possible Work Item:* "Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and, 2) what to collect from these target endpoints, and 3) How quickly after an attribute change information must be collected." First, we have the opinion that the third type of guidance presumes a specific solution and on that basis should be considered for removal (I know this might be late). Second, given that this is an item to *provide* three types of guidance to the correct SACM collectors, we need at least one delivery mechanism. It seems that ROLIE or XMPP-Grid could fulfill this need. We feel that there is probably a role for both. Third, this work item also implies that we have some manner of: 1. Endpoint identification and targeting 2. Endpoint element description *Second Possible Work Item:* Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html] to collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems, and software installed on an endpoint. Here we feel that ECP (PT-TLS), along with SWIMA (software IDs over PT-TLS), provides the NEA extension. *Third Possible Work Item:* Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This is TBD, but Dave and Stephen expressed interest in this item at IETF 99, and we assume that interest persists. *Fourth Possible Work Item:* Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to define how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). - Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.) - ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA) - YANG-push - IPFIX - Etc. *Fifth Possible Work Item:* Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. This is, to us, clearly CoSWID. *Sixth Possible Work Item:* Define best practices for the collection of posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. For network devices, this has something like Frank and crew have cooked up, with the network device baselines (we'll reserve our comments on use of the term baseline for another discussion). But, this also implies that there are more such things to consider for things like Web servers, database servers, general purpose operating systems, real-time operating systems, IoT devices, and so on. *Seventh Possible Work Item:* Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). Obviously, this is leaning toward ROLIE, and we've got some drafts in-flight for such extensions already. We note, however, that this work item is not exclusive to ROLIE. Nevertheless, we have discussed software descriptors, configuration descriptors, checklist information type descriptor, vulnerability information descriptor, and so on. However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly similar to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a special case of the fourth. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hopefully, this starts to elicit further discussion with respect to our milestones. Kind regards, Adam PS: Bill, please correct anything that I got wrong or missed from our discussion. On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM Chris Inacio wrote: > For everyone in the room (in person or virtual) we discussed milestones > that we would present along with our new charter text. This is what I > captured during the meeting =E2=80=93 admittedly with some significant li= berties on > my part: > Milestones: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > CoSWID - WGLC early 2018. (SWID data) (Collection) > ROLIE SW extension - WGLC early 2018 (SWID data) (Share/Collect) > ECP - mid 2018 (PT-TLS/IETF NEA data) (Collection/) > > Terminology - end of 2018 > Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations - end of 2018 > > Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others) > > Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration) > > > Please provide feedback ASAP so that the chairs can finish submitting the > re-charter information by the end of the week. > > Thank you, > Chris & Karen > > -- > Chris Inacio > inacio@cert.org > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --001a11c14658ae4067055e060c78 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris & Karen,

Thanks for sending t= his out. Here are some thoughts that Bill and I have on getting milestones = built out from our possible work items. I've organized this note by wor= k item in the order they appear in our draft charter presently under consid= eration. Before getting into the per-work-item notes, I thought it would be= good to list the drafts we think could be created in pursuit of fulfilling= our charter.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Draft Suggestions (without timelines):
Given all of the above, the following could be milestone items= (i.e. drafts):
  • Endpoint identification and targeting
  • Endpoint element description
  • ECP
  • SWIMA
  • Criteri= a/evaluation language
  • Datastream over transfer mechanism
  • EC= P over transfer mechanism
  • YANG-push over transfer mechanism
    • IPFIX over transfer mechanism
  • CoSWID
  • General purpose OS po= sture collection best practice
  • Web server posture collection best p= ractice
  • Database server posture collection best practice
  • RO= LIE software descriptor
  • ROLIE configuration checklist information t= ype
  • ROLIE configuration descriptor
  • ROLIE vulnerability info= rmation descriptor
Other drafts:
    Terminology
  • Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operat= ions
  • Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/othe= rs)
  • Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestrat= ion)
(These last = three may be useful for supporting development of the drafts previously lis= ted.)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

First Possible Work Item:
"Define a way to provide t= hree types of guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endp= oints to collect from and, 2) what to collect from these target endpoints, = and 3) How quickly after an attribute change information must be collected.= "

First, we have the opinion that the third t= ype of guidance presumes a specific solution and on that basis should be co= nsidered for removal (I know this might be late).

= Second, given that this is an item to provide=C2=A0three types of gu= idance to the correct SACM collectors, we need at least one delivery mechan= ism. It seems that ROLIE or XMPP-Grid could fulfill this need. We feel that= there is probably a role for both.

Third, this wo= rk item also implies that we have some manner of:
  1. Endpoin= t identification and targeting
  2. Endpoint element description

Second Possible Work Item:
Def= ine an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html] to collect and deliver in= formation about firmware, operating systems, and software installed on an e= ndpoint.

Here we feel that ECP (PT-TLS), along= with SWIMA (software IDs over PT-TLS), provides the NEA extension.

Third Possible Work Item:
Describe a cri= teria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint posture informat= ion to produce a standardized result.=C2=A0

Th= is is TBD, but Dave and Stephen expressed interest in this item at IETF 99,= and we assume that interest persists.=C2=A0

<= br>
Fourth Possible Work Item:
Define a control = plane function to enable the discovery and orchestration between devices th= at can provide the requisite information sought by posture collectors, post= ure evaluators or both.=C2=A0

The more we read= this one the more we were confused by it. The intent seems to mean how inf= ormation sources flow through the transfer mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From= this perspective, we may need to define how many information sources are t= ransferred over the given mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid).
  • Dat= astream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.)
  • ECP (which may end up being more than SW= IMA)
  • YANG-push
  • IPFIX
  • Etc.

<= /div>
Fifth Possible Work Item:
Define a method of exp= ressing software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices i= ncluding a CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Iden= tification (SWID) tag standard.

This is, to us= , clearly CoSWID.

Sixth Possible Work Item:=
Define best practices for the collection of posture information = from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be distri= buted using the SACM messaging standards.=C2=A0

For network devices, this has something like Frank and crew have cooked u= p, with the network device baselines (we'll reserve our comments on use= of the term baseline for another discussion). But, this also implies that = there are more such things to consider for things like Web servers, databas= e servers, general purpose operating systems, real-time operating systems, = IoT devices, and so on.=C2=A0

Seventh Possible = Work Item:
Extend existing standards for information exchange= to support the sharing of software, configuration information, and other f= orms of imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented L= ightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE).

Obvio= usly, this is leaning toward ROLIE, and we've got some drafts in-flight= for such extensions already. We note, however, that this work item is not = exclusive to ROLIE. Nevertheless, we have discussed software descriptors, c= onfiguration descriptors, checklist information type descriptor, vulnerabil= ity information descriptor, and so on.

However, we= also note that this seventh work item is strikingly similar to the fourth,= and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a special case of the = fourth.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Hopefully, this starts to elicit fur= ther discussion with respect to our milestones.

Ki= nd regards,

Adam

PS= : Bill, please correct anything that I got wrong or missed from our discuss= ion.




On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM Chris Inacio &l= t;inacio@cert.org> wrote:

For everyone in the room (in person or virtual) we discussed milestones = that we would present along with our new charter text. This is what I captu= red during the meeting =E2=80=93=C2=A0admittedly with some significant libe= rties on my part:

Milestones:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

CoSWID - WGLC early 2018. (SWID data) (Collection)
ROLIE SW extension - WGLC early 2018 (SWID data) (Share/Collect)
ECP - mid 2018 (PT-TLS/IETF NEA data) (Collection/)

Terminology - end of 2018
Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations - end of 201= 8

Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others)

Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration)


Please provide feedback ASAP so that the chairs can finish submitting = the re-charter information by the end of the week.

Thank you,
Chris & Karen<= br>

--=C2=A0
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inacio@cert.org

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Viele Grüße, Henk On 11/15/2017 03:09 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > Chris & Karen, > > Thanks for sending this out. Here are some thoughts that Bill and I have > on getting milestones built out from our possible work items. I've > organized this note by work item in the order they appear in our draft > charter presently under consideration. Before getting into the > per-work-item notes, I thought it would be good to list the drafts we > think could be created in pursuit of fulfilling our charter. > > =========== > > *Draft Suggestions (without timelines):* > Given all of the above, the following could be milestone items (i.e. > drafts): > > * Endpoint identification and targeting > * Endpoint element description > * ECP > * SWIMA > * Criteria/evaluation language > * Datastream over transfer mechanism > * ECP over transfer mechanism > * YANG-push over transfer mechanism > * IPFIX over transfer mechanism > * CoSWID > * General purpose OS posture collection best practice > * Web server posture collection best practice > * Database server posture collection best practice > * ROLIE software descriptor > * ROLIE configuration checklist information type > * ROLIE configuration descriptor > * ROLIE vulnerability information descriptor > > Other drafts: > > * Terminology > * Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations > * > Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others) > * > Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration) > > (These last three may be useful for supporting development of the drafts > previously listed.) > > ============ > > *First Possible Work Item:* > "Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct SACM > collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and, 2) what to > collect from these target endpoints, and 3) How quickly after an > attribute change information must be collected." > > First, we have the opinion that the third type of guidance presumes a > specific solution and on that basis should be considered for removal (I > know this might be late). "Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others)" seem(s) to be able to provide these features? Respectively, see 2nd work item below: "define extensions". > > Second, given that this is an item to /provide/ three types of guidance > to the correct SACM collectors, we need at least one delivery mechanism. > It seems that ROLIE or XMPP-Grid could fulfill this need. We feel that > there is probably a role for both. > > Third, this work item also implies that we have some manner of: > > 1. Endpoint identification and targeting Target Endpoint Characterization? > 2. Endpoint element description Target Endpoint Profiles? Both imply the definition of corresponding repository capabilities, I think (maybe because we just created a PoC imperative guidance repo SACM component at the Hackathon). > > > *Second Possible Work Item:* > Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html] > to collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems, > and software installed on an endpoint. > > Here we feel that ECP (PT-TLS), along with SWIMA (software IDs over > PT-TLS), provides the NEA extension. > > *Third Possible Work Item:* > Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint > posture information to produce a standardized result. > > This is TBD, but Dave and Stephen expressed interest in this item at > IETF 99, and we assume that interest persists. Might need more specifica about the data at rest? Not sure if in scope, though. > > > *Fourth Possible Work Item:* > Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. > > The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent > seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer > mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to define > how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism > (i.e. XMPP-Grid). > > * Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.) > * ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA) > * YANG-push > * IPFIX > * Etc. This seems to be a mix of transfer methods and payload definitions? In regard to negotiation/selection of the corresponding data plane streams there are always (at least) the two options of either an intermediary (e.g. a broker) or a direct end-2-end data plane flow (which could also be brokered/orchestrated). > > > *Fifth Possible Work Item:* > Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use > by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the > ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. > > This is, to us, clearly CoSWID. > > *Sixth Possible Work Item:* > Define best practices for the collection of posture information from > endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be > distributed using the SACM messaging standards. > > For network devices, this has something like Frank and crew have cooked > up, with the network device baselines (we'll reserve our comments on use > of the term baseline for another discussion). But, this also implies > that there are more such things to consider for things like Web servers, > database servers, general purpose operating systems, real-time operating > systems, IoT devices, and so on. I maybe wouldn't call this bas... oh, nvm, reserved for another discussion ;) > > *Seventh Possible Work Item:* > Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the > sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of > imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented > Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). > > Obviously, this is leaning toward ROLIE, and we've got some drafts > in-flight for such extensions already. We note, however, that this work > item is not exclusive to ROLIE. Nevertheless, we have discussed software > descriptors, configuration descriptors, checklist information type > descriptor, vulnerability information descriptor, and so on. > > However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly similar > to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a > special case of the fourth. > > ============= > > Hopefully, this starts to elicit further discussion with respect to our > milestones. > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > PS: Bill, please correct anything that I got wrong or missed from our > discussion. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM Chris Inacio > wrote: > > For everyone in the room (in person or virtual) we discussed > milestones that we would present along with our new charter text. > This is what I captured during the meeting – admittedly with some > significant liberties on my part: > > Milestones: > ========== > > CoSWID - WGLC early 2018. (SWID data) (Collection) > ROLIE SW extension - WGLC early 2018 (SWID data) (Share/Collect) > ECP - mid 2018 (PT-TLS/IETF NEA data) (Collection/) > > Terminology - end of 2018 > Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations - end of 2018 > > Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others) > > Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration) > > > Please provide feedback ASAP so that the chairs can finish > submitting the re-charter information by the end of the week. > > Thank you, > Chris & Karen > > -- > Chris Inacio > inacio@cert.org > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > From nobody Wed Nov 15 19:59:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99A0127010 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:59:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0ZWa6vQF4WZ for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63CFE124BE8 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io0-x234.google.com with SMTP id 134so3876505ioo.0 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:59:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JoB5FCPBeDxcbZ2acmYo9maahIrCrJfTAIUIBLaQsLs=; b=TQl6iX5rTB0dJYLMFX7MNVVKSyTt8wmGDndUNMyyXVLhg/Vg/GoNCfkOQm2PiYkP+O 10a6mXoyUGAgc7c0mnLiLo4PNhk+3U9TgD2MX6+//K7kLIwiX9zhzXC1AwG9dS7Niz4s iSWhxF7RTRB3jYQouXTjDojlpfR/AcaPP0DkgCeHPzGvIsWCl7xm8juWsCwxC/ByuK3Q 3OT83nHtRJNQXpL4hyj4YzurzYUFQntYxMJVe3M4bml12KiiS3KlC5SddXRGy5PSji9F /1mKrnmIpzxNBrRJft+14aXBZdyKBGl1ySw2qsif9r4c3sQCzWsgVbTyCf8yXT6hNC29 UFkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JoB5FCPBeDxcbZ2acmYo9maahIrCrJfTAIUIBLaQsLs=; b=SwMKmSekCnPpROHLasQrqKYl6s3dqrwil+Aw02COORm3omtIZqOWX15C+hHrvUIdXO qr39KVOl1U0DMV1gfQqWo5WGI716RZ+ZX7Yvs+6ttPqZBexvh9CmTz/zQ1iElR4GdzUI DyIFWCPrRrpYPb0ysLWZ5SX757EJ0ucCVlaX82ZC4K4LWeCiV6EvAprKL+iu/+ql1mq7 QDyl4nusoiQ81+R/nareNBl6hZo9VJi3IaX+pR+iVJPlMISbnolc/BO4YF8139EkuxPT 8RqOQi1uCmnuT4SgIvprwWVbds96chz8P7L3PcEZRaa0qw9aiRH9wGGBeNjo23y5yLFp E4XQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7TFTnGoOjXGGFr2Nk2yJjHRnHhCKoPQY1a3MuyXqE7ypt7S+f2 zZwKX3Ok4yHTVOMEjLvknmir0BvgVXBA+HWwaK3qyQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbNci3JXx/JZw2uHoC/yEa6GQQx87e12EKZvvENATkww7sQODgogAaUd+jsZA4740pEO1NcjBIdf0M2SuUBhvg= X-Received: by 10.107.33.18 with SMTP id h18mr287383ioh.167.1510804782136; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:59:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ed05603-8132-e254-5ad6-17e20eef6b9c@sit.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <5ed05603-8132-e254-5ad6-17e20eef6b9c@sit.fraunhofer.de> From: Adam Montville Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:59:31 +0000 Message-ID: To: Henk Birkholz Cc: sacm@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1141bbf65d41c3055e11a64b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Milestones for recharter - FEEDBACK needed ASAP X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:59:47 -0000 --001a1141bbf65d41c3055e11a64b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk, thanks for the comments. They seem reasonable. Interested in what others think of the list. Chairs, is this getting us toward relating milestones to specific work items in the charter? On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:23 AM Henk Birkholz < henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> wrote: > Hi Adam, > > comments inline. > > Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, > > Henk > > > > On 11/15/2017 03:09 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > > Chris & Karen, > > > > Thanks for sending this out. Here are some thoughts that Bill and I hav= e > > on getting milestones built out from our possible work items. I've > > organized this note by work item in the order they appear in our draft > > charter presently under consideration. Before getting into the > > per-work-item notes, I thought it would be good to list the drafts we > > think could be created in pursuit of fulfilling our charter. > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > *Draft Suggestions (without timelines):* > > Given all of the above, the following could be milestone items (i.e. > > drafts): > > > > * Endpoint identification and targeting > > * Endpoint element description > > * ECP > > * SWIMA > > * Criteria/evaluation language > > * Datastream over transfer mechanism > > * ECP over transfer mechanism > > * YANG-push over transfer mechanism > > * IPFIX over transfer mechanism > > * CoSWID > > * General purpose OS posture collection best practice > > * Web server posture collection best practice > > * Database server posture collection best practice > > * ROLIE software descriptor > > * ROLIE configuration checklist information type > > * ROLIE configuration descriptor > > * ROLIE vulnerability information descriptor > > > > Other drafts: > > > > * Terminology > > * Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations > > * > > Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others) > > * > > Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration) > > > > (These last three may be useful for supporting development of the draft= s > > previously listed.) > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > *First Possible Work Item:* > > "Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct SACM > > collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and, 2) what to > > collect from these target endpoints, and 3) How quickly after an > > attribute change information must be collected." > > > > First, we have the opinion that the third type of guidance presumes a > > specific solution and on that basis should be considered for removal (I > > know this might be late). > > "Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others)" seem(s) > to be able to provide these features? Respectively, see 2nd work item > below: "define extensions". > > > > > Second, given that this is an item to /provide/ three types of guidance > > to the correct SACM collectors, we need at least one delivery mechanism= . > > It seems that ROLIE or XMPP-Grid could fulfill this need. We feel that > > there is probably a role for both. > > > > Third, this work item also implies that we have some manner of: > > > > 1. Endpoint identification and targeting > Target Endpoint Characterization? > > > 2. Endpoint element description > Target Endpoint Profiles? > > Both imply the definition of corresponding repository capabilities, I > think (maybe because we just created a PoC imperative guidance repo SACM > component at the Hackathon). > > > > > > > *Second Possible Work Item:* > > Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html= ] > > to collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems, > > and software installed on an endpoint. > > > > Here we feel that ECP (PT-TLS), along with SWIMA (software IDs over > > PT-TLS), provides the NEA extension. > > > > *Third Possible Work Item:* > > Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoin= t > > posture information to produce a standardized result. > > > > This is TBD, but Dave and Stephen expressed interest in this item at > > IETF 99, and we assume that interest persists. > > Might need more specifica about the data at rest? Not sure if in scope, > though. > > > > > > > *Fourth Possible Work Item:* > > Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and > > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informatio= n > > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. > > > > The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent > > seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer > > mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to defin= e > > how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism > > (i.e. XMPP-Grid). > > > > * Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.) > > * ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA) > > * YANG-push > > * IPFIX > > * Etc. > > This seems to be a mix of transfer methods and payload definitions? In > regard to negotiation/selection of the corresponding data plane streams > there are always (at least) the two options of either an intermediary > (e.g. a broker) or a direct end-2-end data plane flow (which could also > be brokered/orchestrated). > > > > > > > *Fifth Possible Work Item:* > > Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for us= e > > by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the > > ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. > > > > This is, to us, clearly CoSWID. > > > > *Sixth Possible Work Item:* > > Define best practices for the collection of posture information from > > endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be > > distributed using the SACM messaging standards. > > > > For network devices, this has something like Frank and crew have cooked > > up, with the network device baselines (we'll reserve our comments on us= e > > of the term baseline for another discussion). But, this also implies > > that there are more such things to consider for things like Web servers= , > > database servers, general purpose operating systems, real-time operatin= g > > systems, IoT devices, and so on. > > I maybe wouldn't call this bas... oh, nvm, reserved for another > discussion ;) > > > > > *Seventh Possible Work Item:* > > Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the > > sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of > > imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented > > Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). > > > > Obviously, this is leaning toward ROLIE, and we've got some drafts > > in-flight for such extensions already. We note, however, that this work > > item is not exclusive to ROLIE. Nevertheless, we have discussed softwar= e > > descriptors, configuration descriptors, checklist information type > > descriptor, vulnerability information descriptor, and so on. > > > > However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly similar > > to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a > > special case of the fourth. > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > Hopefully, this starts to elicit further discussion with respect to our > > milestones. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Adam > > > > PS: Bill, please correct anything that I got wrong or missed from our > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM Chris Inacio > > wrote: > > > > For everyone in the room (in person or virtual) we discussed > > milestones that we would present along with our new charter text. > > This is what I captured during the meeting =E2=80=93 admittedly wit= h some > > significant liberties on my part: > > > > Milestones: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > CoSWID - WGLC early 2018. 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Henk, thanks for the comments. They seem reasonable. Inter= ested in what others think of the list.

Chairs, is this = getting us toward relating milestones to specific work items in the charter= ?

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 a= t 11:23 AM Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
Hi Adam,

comments inline.

Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe,

Henk



On 11/15/2017 03:09 PM, Adam Montville wrote:
> Chris & Karen,
>
> Thanks for sending this out. Here are some thoughts that Bill and I ha= ve
> on getting milestones built out from our possible work items. I've=
> organized this note by work item in the order they appear in our draft=
> charter presently under consideration. Before getting into the
> per-work-item notes, I thought it would be good to list the drafts we<= br> > think could be created in pursuit of fulfilling our charter.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> *Draft Suggestions (without timelines):*
> Given all of the above, the following could be milestone items (i.e. > drafts):
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Endpoint identification and targeting
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Endpoint element description
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ECP
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* SWIMA
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Criteria/evaluation language
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Datastream over transfer mechanism
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ECP over transfer mechanism
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* YANG-push over transfer mechanism
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* IPFIX over transfer mechanism
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* CoSWID
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* General purpose OS posture collection best practice
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Web server posture collection best practice
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Database server posture collection best practice
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ROLIE software descriptor
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ROLIE configuration checklist information type
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ROLIE configuration descriptor
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ROLIE vulnerability information descriptor
>
> Other drafts:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Terminology
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operation= s
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Gri= d/others)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orche= stration)
>
> (These last three may be useful for supporting development of the draf= ts
> previously listed.)
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> *First Possible Work Item:*
> "Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct S= ACM
> collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and, 2) what to<= br> > collect from these target endpoints, and 3) How quickly after an
> attribute change information must be collected."
>
> First, we have the opinion that the third type of guidance presumes a<= br> > specific solution and on that basis should be considered for removal (= I
> know this might be late).

"Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others)" se= em(s)
to be able to provide these features? Respectively, see 2nd work item
below: "define extensions".

>
> Second, given that this is an item to /provide/=C2=A0three types of gu= idance
> to the correct SACM collectors, we need at least one delivery mechanis= m.
> It seems that ROLIE or XMPP-Grid could fulfill this need. We feel that=
> there is probably a role for both.
>
> Third, this work item also implies that we have some manner of:
>
>=C2=A0 1. Endpoint identification and targeting
Target Endpoint Characterization?

>=C2=A0 2. Endpoint element description
Target Endpoint Profiles?

Both imply the definition of corresponding repository capabilities, I
think (maybe because we just created a PoC imperative guidance repo SACM component at the Hackathon).

>
>
> *Second Possible Work Item:*
> Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/conc= luded/nea.html]
> to collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems,<= br> > and software installed on an endpoint.
>
> Here we feel that ECP (PT-TLS), along with SWIMA (software IDs over > PT-TLS), provides the NEA extension.
>
> *Third Possible Work Item:*
> Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoi= nt
> posture information to produce a standardized result.
>
> This is TBD, but Dave and Stephen expressed interest in this item at > IETF 99, and we assume that interest persists.

Might need more specifica about the data at rest? Not sure if in scope,
though.

>
>
> *Fourth Possible Work Item:*
> Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both.
>
> The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent<= br> > seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer
> mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to defi= ne
> how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism<= br> > (i.e. XMPP-Grid).
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* YANG-push
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* IPFIX
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Etc.

This seems to be a mix of transfer methods and payload definitions? In
regard to negotiation/selection of the corresponding data plane streams
there are always (at least) the two options of either an intermediary
(e.g. a broker) or a direct end-2-end data plane flow (which could also
be brokered/orchestrated).

>
>
> *Fifth Possible Work Item:*
> Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for u= se
> by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the<= br> > ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard.
>
> This is, to us, clearly CoSWID.
>
> *Sixth Possible Work Item:*
> Define best practices for the collection of posture information from > endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be
> distributed using the SACM messaging standards.
>
> For network devices, this has something like Frank and crew have cooke= d
> up, with the network device baselines (we'll reserve our comments = on use
> of the term baseline for another discussion). But, this also implies > that there are more such things to consider for things like Web server= s,
> database servers, general purpose operating systems, real-time operati= ng
> systems, IoT devices, and so on.

I maybe wouldn't call this bas... oh, nvm, reserved for another
discussion ;)

>
> *Seventh Possible Work Item:*
> Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the
> sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of
> imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented
> Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE).
>
> Obviously, this is leaning toward ROLIE, and we've got some drafts=
> in-flight for such extensions already. We note, however, that this wor= k
> item is not exclusive to ROLIE. Nevertheless, we have discussed softwa= re
> descriptors, configuration descriptors, checklist information type
> descriptor, vulnerability information descriptor, and so on.
>
> However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly simila= r
> to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a > special case of the fourth.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Hopefully, this starts to elicit further discussion with respect to ou= r
> milestones.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Adam
>
> PS: Bill, please correct anything that I got wrong or missed from our<= br> > discussion.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM Chris Inacio <inacio@cert.org
> <mailto:inacio= @cert.org>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0For everyone in the room (in person or virtual) we = discussed
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0milestones that we would present along with our new= charter text.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This is what I captured during the meeting =E2=80= =93=C2=A0admittedly with some
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0significant liberties on my part:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Milestones:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0CoSWID - WGLC early 2018. (SWID data) (Collection)<= br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ROLIE SW extension - WGLC early 2018 (SWID data) (S= hare/Collect)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ECP - mid 2018 (PT-TLS/IETF NEA data) (Collection/)=
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Terminology - end of 2018
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Architecture / data interchange api/concept of oper= ations - end of 2018
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Gri= d/others)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orche= stration)
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Please provide feedback ASAP so that the chairs can= finish
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0submitting the re-charter information by the end of= the week.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thank you,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Chris & Karen
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Chris Inacio
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0inacio@cert.org <mailto:inacio@cert.org>
>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sacm mailing list
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It might be good to add those= details to the milestones. For the CoSWID and ROLIE SW descriptor, early 2018 is good for WGLC. We sho= uld also be able to send to the IESG by March 2018. Overall, it would be useful to see a consolidated list of milestones to be = sure I have covered everything related to work I am doing. Would it be poss= ible to send updated milestones around? If not, we can always correct any f= or which there is confusion. More comments are inline below marked DAW. Thanks, Dave ________________________________ From: sacm on behalf of Adam Montville Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:59 AM To: Henk Birkholz Cc: sacm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sacm] Milestones for recharter - FEEDBACK needed ASAP Henk, thanks for the comments. They seem reasonable. Interested in what oth= ers think of the list. Chairs, is this getting us toward relating milestones to specific work item= s in the charter? On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:23 AM Henk Birkholz > wrote: Hi Adam, comments inline. Viele Gr=FC=DFe, Henk On 11/15/2017 03:09 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > Chris & Karen, > > Thanks for sending this out. Here are some thoughts that Bill and I have > on getting milestones built out from our possible work items. I've > organized this note by work item in the order they appear in our draft > charter presently under consideration. Before getting into the > per-work-item notes, I thought it would be good to list the drafts we > think could be created in pursuit of fulfilling our charter. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > *Draft Suggestions (without timelines):* > Given all of the above, the following could be milestone items (i.e. > drafts): > > * Endpoint identification and targeting > * Endpoint element description > * ECP > * SWIMA > * Criteria/evaluation language > * Datastream over transfer mechanism > * ECP over transfer mechanism > * YANG-push over transfer mechanism > * IPFIX over transfer mechanism > * CoSWID > * General purpose OS posture collection best practice > * Web server posture collection best practice > * Database server posture collection best practice > * ROLIE software descriptor > * ROLIE configuration checklist information type > * ROLIE configuration descriptor > * ROLIE vulnerability information descriptor > > Other drafts: > > * Terminology > * Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations > * > Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others) > * > Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration) > > (These last three may be useful for supporting development of the drafts > previously listed.) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > *First Possible Work Item:* > "Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct SACM > collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and, 2) what to > collect from these target endpoints, and 3) How quickly after an > attribute change information must be collected." > > First, we have the opinion that the third type of guidance presumes a > specific solution and on that basis should be considered for removal (I > know this might be late). "Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others)" seem(s) to be able to provide these features? Respectively, see 2nd work item below: "define extensions". > > Second, given that this is an item to /provide/ three types of guidance > to the correct SACM collectors, we need at least one delivery mechanism. > It seems that ROLIE or XMPP-Grid could fulfill this need. We feel that > there is probably a role for both. [daw: Agreed.] > Third, this work item also implies that we have some manner of: > > 1. Endpoint identification and targeting Target Endpoint Characterization? > 2. Endpoint element description Target Endpoint Profiles? Both imply the definition of corresponding repository capabilities, I think (maybe because we just created a PoC imperative guidance repo SACM component at the Hackathon). [daw: Henk, I don't understand how your imperative guidance repo works, so = it is hard to form an opinion here. Can you share more information? Is ther= e a draft?] > > *Second Possible Work Item:* > Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html] > to collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems, > and software installed on an endpoint. > > Here we feel that ECP (PT-TLS), along with SWIMA (software IDs over > PT-TLS), provides the NEA extension. > > *Third Possible Work Item:* > Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint > posture information to produce a standardized result. > > This is TBD, but Dave and Stephen expressed interest in this item at > IETF 99, and we assume that interest persists. Might need more specifica about the data at rest? Not sure if in scope, though. [daw: We plan to write a draft to share/socialize some thinking on this top= ic. We can provide a draft for discussion in March ahead of IETF 101.] > *Fourth Possible Work Item:* > Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. > > The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent > seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer > mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to define > how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism > (i.e. XMPP-Grid). > > * Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.) > * ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA) > * YANG-push > * IPFIX > * Etc. This seems to be a mix of transfer methods and payload definitions? In regard to negotiation/selection of the corresponding data plane streams there are always (at least) the two options of either an intermediary (e.g. a broker) or a direct end-2-end data plane flow (which could also be brokered/orchestrated). > > > *Fifth Possible Work Item:* > Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use > by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the > ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. > > This is, to us, clearly CoSWID. [daw: yep. We would like to ship this soon. See the top of this email.] > > *Sixth Possible Work Item:* > Define best practices for the collection of posture information from > endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be > distributed using the SACM messaging standards. > > For network devices, this has something like Frank and crew have cooked > up, with the network device baselines (we'll reserve our comments on use > of the term baseline for another discussion). But, this also implies > that there are more such things to consider for things like Web servers, > database servers, general purpose operating systems, real-time operating > systems, IoT devices, and so on. I maybe wouldn't call this bas... oh, nvm, reserved for another discussion ;) > > *Seventh Possible Work Item:* > Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the > sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of > imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented > Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). [daw: Regarding the ROLIE SW descriptor, we would like to ship this soon. S= ee the top of this email.] > Obviously, this is leaning toward ROLIE, and we've got some drafts > in-flight for such extensions already. We note, however, that this work > item is not exclusive to ROLIE. Nevertheless, we have discussed software > descriptors, configuration descriptors, checklist information type > descriptor, vulnerability information descriptor, and so on. Willing to help on the ROLIE configuration descriptor draft. We are also in= terested in writing a vulnerability descriptor draft which we can provide a= personal draft ahead of IETF 101. > > However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly similar > to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a > special case of the fourth. I am not so sure these are the same. Not that it should hold up this milest= one discussion, but I'd like to understand your thinking more on this. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Hopefully, this starts to elicit further discussion with respect to our > milestones. > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > PS: Bill, please correct anything that I got wrong or missed from our > discussion. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM Chris Inacio > >> wrote: > > For everyone in the room (in person or virtual) we discussed > milestones that we would present along with our new charter text. > This is what I captured during the meeting =96 admittedly with some > significant liberties on my part: > > Milestones: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > CoSWID - WGLC early 2018. (SWID data) (Collection) > ROLIE SW extension - WGLC early 2018 (SWID data) (Share/Collect) > ECP - mid 2018 (PT-TLS/IETF NEA data) (Collection/) > > Terminology - end of 2018 > Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operations - end of 20= 18 > > Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others) > > Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orchestration) > > > Please provide feedback ASAP so that the chairs can finish > submitting the re-charter information by the end of the week. > > Thank you, > Chris & Karen > > -- > Chris Inacio > inacio@cert.org > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > _______________________________________________ sacm mailing list sacm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --_000_CY4PR09MB14957968ABE85691BB010AFBF02E0CY4PR09MB1495namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chairs, Adam, et al,


For some of Chris's original milestones, it is not clear if the date is = for a draft adoption, WGLC, or sent to the IESG. It might be good to add th= ose details to the milestones.


For the CoSWID and ROLIE SW descriptor, early 2018 is good for= WGLC. We should also be able to send to the IESG by March 2018.


Overall, it would be useful to see a consolidated list of milestones to = be sure I have covered everything related to work I am doing. Would it be p= ossible to send updated milestones around? If not, we can always correct an= y for which there is confusion.

More comments are inline below marked DAW.


Thanks,
Dave

From: sacm <sacm-bounc= es@ietf.org> on behalf of Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:59 AM
To: Henk Birkholz
Cc: sacm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [sacm] Milestones for recharter - FEEDBACK needed ASAP<= /font>
 
Henk, thanks for the comments. They seem reasonable. Inter= ested in what others think of the list.

Chairs, is this getting us toward relating milestones to specific work= items in the charter?

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:23 AM Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de= > wrote:

Hi Adam,

comments inline.

Viele Gr=FC=DFe,

Henk



On 11/15/2017 03:09 PM, Adam Montville wrote:
> Chris & Karen,
>
> Thanks for sending this out. Here are some thoughts that Bill and I ha= ve
> on getting milestones built out from our possible work items. I've
> organized this note by work item in the order they appear in our draft=
> charter presently under consideration. Before getting into the
> per-work-item notes, I thought it would be good to list the drafts we<= br> > think could be created in pursuit of fulfilling our charter.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> *Draft Suggestions (without timelines):*
> Given all of the above, the following could be milestone items (i.e. > drafts):
>
>   * Endpoint identification and targeting
>   * Endpoint element description
>   * ECP
>   * SWIMA
>   * Criteria/evaluation language
>   * Datastream over transfer mechanism
>   * ECP over transfer mechanism
>   * YANG-push over transfer mechanism
>   * IPFIX over transfer mechanism
>   * CoSWID
>   * General purpose OS posture collection best practice
>   * Web server posture collection best practice
>   * Database server posture collection best practice
>   * ROLIE software descriptor
>   * ROLIE configuration checklist information type
>   * ROLIE configuration descriptor
>   * ROLIE vulnerability information descriptor
>
> Other drafts:
>
>   * Terminology
>   * Architecture / data interchange api/concept of operation= s
>   *
>     Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Gri= d/others)
>   *
>     Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orche= stration)
>
> (These last three may be useful for supporting development of the draf= ts
> previously listed.)
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> *First Possible Work Item:*
> "Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct S= ACM
> collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and, 2) what to<= br> > collect from these target endpoints, and 3) How quickly after an
> attribute change information must be collected."
>
> First, we have the opinion that the third type of guidance presumes a<= br> > specific solution and on that basis should be considered for removal (= I
> know this might be late).

"Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Grid/others)" se= em(s)
to be able to provide these features? Respectively, see 2nd work item
below: "define extensions".

>
> Second, given that this is an item to /provide/ three types of gu= idance
> to the correct SACM collectors, we need at least one delivery mechanis= m.
> It seems that ROLIE or XMPP-Grid could fulfill this need. We feel that=
> there is probably a role for both.


[daw: Agreed.]


> Third, this work item also implies that we have some manner of:
>
>  1. Endpoint identification and targeting
Target Endpoint Characterization?

>  2. Endpoint element description
Target Endpoint Profiles?

Both imply the definition of corresponding repository capabilities, I
think (maybe because we just created a PoC imperative guidance repo SACM component at the Hackathon).


[daw: Henk, I don't understand how your imperative guidance= repo works, so it is hard to form an opinion here. Can you share more= information? Is there a draft?]


>
> *Second Possible Work Item:*
> Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/ne= a.html]
> to collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems,<= br> > and software installed on an endpoint.
>
> Here we feel that ECP (PT-TLS), along with SWIMA (software IDs over > PT-TLS), provides the NEA extension.
>
> *Third Possible Work Item:*
> Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoi= nt
> posture information to produce a standardized result.
>
> This is TBD, but Dave and Stephen expressed interest in this item at > IETF 99, and we assume that interest persists.

Might need more specifica about the data at rest? Not sure if in scope,
though.


[daw: We plan to write a draft to share/socialize some thinking on this = topic. We can provide a draft for discussion in March ahead of IETF 101.]


> *Fourth Possible Work Item:*
> Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both.
>
> The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent<= br> > seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer
> mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to defi= ne
> how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism<= br> > (i.e. XMPP-Grid).
>
>   * Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.)
>   * ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA)
>   * YANG-push
>   * IPFIX
>   * Etc.

This seems to be a mix of transfer methods and payload definitions? In
regard to negotiation/selection of the corresponding data plane streams
there are always (at least) the two options of either an intermediary
(e.g. a broker) or a direct end-2-end data plane flow (which could also
be brokered/orchestrated).

>
>
> *Fifth Possible Work Item:*
> Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for u= se
> by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the<= br> > ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard.
>
> This is, to us, clearly CoSWID.


[daw: yep. We would like to ship this soon. See the top of this email.]<= /p>


>
> *Sixth Possible Work Item:*
> Define best practices for the collection of posture information from > endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be
> distributed using the SACM messaging standards.
>
> For network devices, this has something like Frank and crew have cooke= d
> up, with the network device baselines (we'll reserve our comments on u= se
> of the term baseline for another discussion). But, this also implies > that there are more such things to consider for things like Web server= s,
> database servers, general purpose operating systems, real-time operati= ng
> systems, IoT devices, and so on.

I maybe wouldn't call this bas... oh, nvm, reserved for another
discussion ;)

>
> *Seventh Possible Work Item:*
> Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the
> sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of
> imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented
> Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE).


[daw: Regarding the ROLIE SW descriptor, we would like to ship this soon= . See the top of this email.]


> Obviously, this is leaning toward ROLIE, and we've got some drafts<= br> > in-flight for such extensions already. We note, however, that this wor= k
> item is not exclusive to ROLIE. Nevertheless, we have discussed softwa= re
> descriptors, configuration descriptors, checklist information type
> descriptor, vulnerability information descriptor, and so on.


Willing to help on the ROLIE configuration descriptor draft. We are also= interested in writing a vulnerability descriptor draft which we can provid= e a personal draft ahead of IETF 101.


>
> However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly simila= r
> to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a > special case of the fourth.


I am not so sure these are the same. Not that it should hold up this mil= estone discussion, but I'd like to understand your thinking more on this.


> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Hopefully, this starts to elicit further discussion with respect to ou= r
> milestones.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Adam
>
> PS: Bill, please correct anything that I got wrong or missed from our<= br> > discussion.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM Chris Inacio <inacio@cert.org
> <mailto:inacio= @cert.org>> wrote:
>
>     For everyone in the room (in person or virtual) we = discussed
>     milestones that we would present along with our new= charter text.
>     This is what I captured during the meeting =96 = ;admittedly with some
>     significant liberties on my part:
>
>     Milestones:
>     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>     CoSWID - WGLC early 2018. (SWID data) (Collection)<= br> >     ROLIE SW extension - WGLC early 2018 (SWID data) (S= hare/Collect)
>     ECP - mid 2018 (PT-TLS/IETF NEA data) (Collection/)=
>
>     Terminology - end of 2018
>     Architecture / data interchange api/concept of oper= ations - end of 2018
>
>     Transfer protocol(s) - spring 2019 (PT-TLS/XMPP-Gri= d/others)
>
>     Lang/api for developing guidance - fall 2019 (orche= stration)
>
>
>     Please provide feedback ASAP so that the chairs can= finish
>     submitting the re-charter information by the end of= the week.
>
>     Thank you,
>     Chris & Karen
>
>     --
>     Chris Inacio
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(Fed)" Cc: Henk Birkholz , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f8f84511871055e13b250" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Milestones for recharter - FEEDBACK needed ASAP X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 06:26:15 -0000 --001a113f8f84511871055e13b250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Inline; trimming to focus on Dave's clarifying question. On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) < david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote: > > > *Fourth Possible Work Item:* > > Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and > > orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information > > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. > > > > The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent > > seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer > > mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to define > > how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism > > (i.e. XMPP-Grid). > > > > * Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.) > > * ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA) > > * YANG-push > > * IPFIX > > * Etc. > > This seems to be a mix of transfer methods and payload definitions? In > regard to negotiation/selection of the corresponding data plane streams > there are always (at least) the two options of either an intermediary > (e.g. a broker) or a direct end-2-end data plane flow (which could also > be brokered/orchestrated). > > > *Seventh Possible Work Item:* > > Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the > > sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of > > imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented > > Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). > > > > > However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly similar > > to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a > > special case of the fourth. > > > I am not so sure these are the same. Not that it should hold up this > milestone discussion, but I'd like to understand your thinking more on this. > > When Bill and I were discussing this, we viewed the 4th work item as describing how information gets around in a SACM domain/ecosystem. This 7th work item is also about how information gets around in a SACM domain/ecosystem, but is more specific. Is our view of the 4th item inaccurate? Adam --001a113f8f84511871055e13b250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Inline; trimming to focus on Dave's clarifying questio= n.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 = at 2:13 PM Waltermire, David A. (Fed) <david.waltermire@nist.gov> wrote:


> *Fourth Possible Work Item:*
> Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and
> orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite informati= on
> sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both.
>
> The more we read this one the more we were confused by it. The intent<= br> > seems to mean how information sources flow through the transfer
> mechanism (i.e. XMPP-Grid). From this perspective, we may need to defi= ne
> how many information sources are transferred over the given mechanism<= br> > (i.e. XMPP-Grid).
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Datastream (XCCDF+OVAL, etc.)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* ECP (which may end up being more than SWIMA)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* YANG-push
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* IPFIX
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0* Etc.

This seems to be a mix of transfer methods and payload definitions? In
regard to negotiation/selection of the corresponding data plane streams
there are always (at least) the two options of either an intermediary
(e.g. a broker) or a direct end-2-end data plane flow (which could also
be brokered/orchestrated).

> *Seventh Possible Work Item:*
> Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the
> sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of
> imperative guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented
> Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE).

=

>
> However, we also note that this seventh work item is strikingly simila= r
> to the fourth, and suggest that this seventh item be considered as a > special case of the fourth.


I= am not so sure these are the same. Not that it should hold up this milesto= ne discussion, but I'd like to understand your thinking more on this.

=
When Bill and I were discussing this, we viewed the 4th work= item as describing how information gets around in a SACM domain/ecosystem.= This 7th work item is also about how information gets around in a SACM dom= ain/ecosystem, but is more specific.

Is our view o= f the 4th item inaccurate?

Adam


=C2=A0
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ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0F61275F4; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:09:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: sacm-chairs@ietf.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151088814773.22136.14675852936520922718.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:09:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:09:08 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-sacm-02-01: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for resolving my earlier comments. This version looks better. The last paragraph of section A. seems to have a cut-and-paste error in the first sentence. 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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for resolving my earlier comments. This version looks better. > > The last paragraph of section A. seems to have a cut-and-paste error in the first sentence. Thanks for catching that! > > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Nov 16 22:23:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FD0127B5A; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:22:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wtQMmRgwzl_v; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x22a.google.com (mail-pf0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02E58126CF9; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id q4so1212362pfg.13; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:22:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Wavj4q2J9wK4s5MvZxdBrhSQnfXr5BPSHl7ZemR/Hj8=; b=XA3F62B5YPk5ASB+WjO1ghXRlkblkoVFnvrd4UGa3qODof0fTlh3TDQTUutqQtERVn RCDexkG/rxxzTTrZkK9a7pblo4hFjDvqhXdrNtr6jjknPWz6B3qTJ2G1PSc6eqNEKZEE RcWhDNbFJFNfvNkDPC9G5cD0Xygn4qG+nFpx5yp5RVLybgeoqibZ3t0ERE0ljzozdK1o dHrqBZUEy2Hm1b7b0O9bSX9s0KqTK1ck4VTACO1W4dMuMLPRMMfSGOLvdbetNqd+mRQ+ d3BUOgua2gZ1ZY5qdJF5MPZy3ExbBFDnoSthoLl8XdyV/6d/3wMf8NMotj21VaBO0DAN yvbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Wavj4q2J9wK4s5MvZxdBrhSQnfXr5BPSHl7ZemR/Hj8=; b=qDpUroPxsksnp6dpxb12pMi2VPbdb+OGVFU1UGECVqKzJ3mQhYHvUyv4ZKcEI5ravd REqSNmpOeTRXnyL6VyvANCV1B0u9ZjkSFaZC5URkspcHsbZO1Vg48FNPJVzgIWvIDFOG MMVyjbXA0+sfFbKUTalFK9Fl+9PuyRLM6kqcCFFAt6KCe1CqEDaDOm9I2X0n94c5LY5X NCgd2otKZrhXg8gVBcSY3A7seXQAQj4aE/q1OLVhMTHeGODZIZKjCu0fHaR+jKKa8frp YG4b8trCJM6GeWqCuyrufz0mcQ+kkWR1pdvWjfrpF3B5nFfEw99XXhfALVS2bY8rd2wr QXIg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4cDQL5Budv+X9LD02hman0ildX/wEsnIkYsEtgXNh8UM+S4uT2 N5pVBan6t7z2UGaHjgCArc3v91DyPS5voYR0lFg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYGnon3ipJYsyTrTON8r5s2DgJutZMXhbf/NwlHJ84Qn+KEGAEThKVbUC2C7OUJbxKf+UIhy1v0jZYsQqxb8XI= X-Received: by 10.99.169.25 with SMTP id u25mr4025132pge.77.1510899772653; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:22:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.155.9 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:22:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <151045639812.30780.12085801912635330048.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151045639812.30780.12085801912635330048.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:22:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: Alexey Melnikov Cc: The IESG , "" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 06:22:55 -0000 On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "IETF NEA" probably needs a reference to somebody not familiar with the field. Thank you, the reference was added. > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Nov 16 22:24:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A06126B72; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:23:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BihqvKiZOFMK; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x235.google.com (mail-pg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 067A61200E5; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x235.google.com with SMTP id p9so1231258pgc.8; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:23:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ViDrL+tAKXf7Hve81ikcym1VPY/YLgWDG+MLOvm0xKg=; b=f36TneTsHQxS+nGLlTw1t6FCWGi7Uvq74fbIqxR5U6LHGePoWL+ta/+aeYWw6zrRjn RG+/tGCP9gvZKyM3+mjj6K5APCuUUAl91oMAEhHlKFcI0B0wzEBW27k6Tuc70yMYDWyi SQCkRIMYOSQWTnk1mGo0jh1mwmkw2md4+Ul4W7NETbJbj1KvkE/OmzBSS+hEp/rlGVRW v6q+zZVr/9kXkv24/sfmYA9dcY3b9n6IB82YZyXQUBLfdOvK/vGsjrhtHu/p8sI1yFkI pLo2M4PivZLeIkkpdI32T7Itbw2jClGl4sy/+laaPK134kvTa6FEspWhUvQRgNVkSCwy dvfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ViDrL+tAKXf7Hve81ikcym1VPY/YLgWDG+MLOvm0xKg=; b=j0kAiQ4WctEgmLu3hpoZKs4DzEg4rWjftfMWuE7H+iP/Af3iA+1qTrrxk+Wf5boQjm OT0uZExjAHnJi3ct41aDe9vVAEhpXgPtLuRoV93fBSmQKREXAlckNK9RQxF5Jjd1mHTU L2d4ogWI7veJ/HTuhtsIeph/eYIdrivBz1KOHclVofTSDC9xFdqB9xlPH//Eu+WdxIKM dV44VStOmEcdXCp7RxrfyIhzzuyqzvMGdCsi4JyoXv5Geif0D2xmEERBgLiiE6I+pBQt 55sBtok/gA9AQJCCzIuWpxlwQGYv9qglRIMk6uH7x2d0+XMGncwhJaq2Vhyo9LOm8qk0 k8UQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5kqkeNSmk3HdvlPmXqtLE5bO2BEr74XcU/QNC8Tuw67jOFyoBs kNk9yR302CtpQZ86gujYJt7CCOQiK/1usTmt8kM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYphuvxt2es2XPejB5yMCjDkSxiT2E7c2VHGubbDzB9rMyIV15CImoQSt5E/iVGwSwXbhUitIajCslQOhyJSto= X-Received: by 10.84.172.195 with SMTP id n61mr4108889plb.78.1510899833677; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:23:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.155.9 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:23:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <151046328515.30812.2202568943923590816.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151046328515.30812.2202568943923590816.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:23:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: Benoit Claise Cc: The IESG , "" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Benoit Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 06:23:56 -0000 On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-sacm-02-00: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The charter is very generic and broad: model, collection, evaluation, > orchestration and communication, control plane, a criteria language. I provided > feedback to SACM a few times. I trust the responsible AD to do the right thing. Yes, this was raised again in the meeting this week and was already top of mind. Thank you for your guidance to the WG. > > I wonder why you impose CBOR in the charter. > > Can we get the milestones please. They have been added. > > Regards, Benoit. > > Thank you. -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Nov 16 23:02:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB06128D0F; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DqVODIUG8PvL; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x236.google.com (mail-pg0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CDFA12741D; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x236.google.com with SMTP id c123so1287243pga.11; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:02:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AAcw4Bmlw4cvcSpQ7PfRoVLDjHT7r+gpj/h8SCvNJ40=; b=vecB3uCFPyb9c1dYaqX0mfNaIxSznxHkDXht3ZmxUYSLoHnmckxZtH6O50PiGFFPZi IkruvKNAXtp5RoEXwNbF9wLAeHFx1pws8OopFikqY65jiJZhdxHb//gflFc7V9jlBIl3 txGwDHd/CI9veHo7zUT8Y5xeWoccGaAg+tGmuoTtqYXRzTwTW4a5ewVjRLm4OTT6NnzO I/M1dBPFLEafTfapZG6ESHQv3YZnNWc0RfPwv+kRV5rELDE9nLq884b2VF+6fknlgqD4 9kbFia2mDUWli21SIgR861L+I6Km37/VnhLgBcxe4OtNx9v2wMRXleigU7k5dm+ZrBsU jnDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AAcw4Bmlw4cvcSpQ7PfRoVLDjHT7r+gpj/h8SCvNJ40=; b=NWgKk+JrfTbjL8cnP86YNdjHbIhQA8ytf9t7L+vmTAliVqUb1ApoYk35DUcvW+J0ys Og4oRCPQoJ4gSM8ZQOkhVAynT7ZcxbE7h3GIym359heFhWf6uOMh7tb6ZxgxAXL6tXdu mTUFHHNB3bFmFPur0fWiyjiV5B8Mxl8NUsly+YiPOFyiruHlWcEP0TotOav7i4n4Bm/Y ORs1G2vCgn3seAxGfJxmOg0a2GhI5qQCpOAYy4vvsZj8a6mlrhNhRWkm7DS1Lr0IjLNE 67FCCGpyVyJS8DsAxsmkP8LFxsvYS2z2NmDyTpyP/UFZWTHZKlkhp9jY2xDsAHWSmI8e XQdA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4Mmo8dAgfC53UD/CoRR1QyxfJH8kTxyM0zqPYViBloEMfYODHr iDQoghGG2B6nuyduc24v5OAwjEiQRY8UutOLjr0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZeD6QGCidh0FbPnCDDlHUEMqxoWCBJQZoaTl10hFwso2lX4P1A066nmuMuVHSN1ACzCzJXxV4ChPy5S6UuAjQ= X-Received: by 10.84.132.76 with SMTP id 70mr4365794ple.135.1510902125703; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:02:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.155.9 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:01:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <151088814773.22136.14675852936520922718.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 02:01:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ben Campbell Cc: The IESG , "" , "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on charter-ietf-sacm-02-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:02:08 -0000 The text has been fixed, thank you! On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:20 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:09 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for >> charter-ietf-sacm-02-01: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Thanks for resolving my earlier comments. This version looks better. >> >> The last paragraph of section A. seems to have a cut-and-paste error in the first sentence. > > Thanks for catching that! >> >> > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Fri Nov 17 00:03:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C67F128C81; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:03:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: sacm@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151090578522.22153.3751631895111198676.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:03:05 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] WG Review: Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (sacm) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:03:05 -0000 The Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (sacm) WG in the Security Area of the IETF is undergoing rechartering. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by 2017-11-26. Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (sacm) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Active WG Chairs: Christopher Inacio Adam Montville Karen O'Donoghue Assigned Area Director: Kathleen Moriarty Security Area Directors: Kathleen Moriarty Eric Rescorla Mailing list: Address: sacm@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sacm/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/sacm/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmit that information is a challenging task for enterprises of all sizes, and many security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of endpoint elements enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to focus on high priority tasks. Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will address enterprise use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture (using the definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). In alignment with RFC 5209, a network device is an endpoint. Posture assessment entails the following five steps which the working will create solutions to automate: 1. Identify and characterize target endpoints 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values 4. Compare actual element values to policy compliant element values 5. Make results available This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orchestration and communication, as described herein. A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types of guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and 2) What elements to collect from these target endpoints. A set of instructions (such as vulnerability description data, YANG filter expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation classes, etc.) can be brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control plane functions defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). Element collection from different sources may require orchestrating functions that go beyond the set of capabilities a collector can provide. This will inform the requirements and characteristics for "C. Orchestration and Communication". The working group recognizes that manual configuration of targets and corresponding collection profiles will not scale and does not seem to be a viable option. B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a set of control plane functions to enable the orchestration between element collectors. These element collectors can then provide the requisite elements sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators, and data repositories. Specific work items may include the following: - Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct SACM collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and 2) what to collect from these target endpoints, and 3) how quickly after an attribute change information must be collected. When applied, a set of instructions, such as vulnerability description data or YANG expressions, can be brokered to the appropriate collectors. - Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html] to collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems, and software installed on an endpoint. - Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. The language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, and functions for string manipulation; and will be extensible enough to be applicable to the full range of collected posture attributes. Additionally, this document will describe an approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism to be evaluated. - Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and orchestration between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators or both. For example, XMPP capable host/endpoint interactions may be defined through XMPP control plane and data transfer protocol extensions. Likewise, the asynchronous push of selected attributes on switches and routers may be framed using YANG Push for periodic and on-change triggers. - Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. - Define best practices for the collection of posture information from endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be distributed using the SACM messaging standards. - Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the sharing of software, configuration information, and other forms of guidance including extensions to the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). - Describe a SACM Information Model and a SACM Architecture including protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well as a description of how SACM protocols fit together into a system. Milestones: Dec 2017 - Submit SWIMA to IESG Jan 2018 - WGLC ROLIE software descriptor Jan 2018 - WGLC ROLIE configuration checklist information type Jan 2018 - WGLC CoSWID Jan 2018 - WGLC Endpoint Compliance Profile Jan 2018 - Initial Draft on SACM Architecture Mar 2018 - Submit ROLIE software descriptor to IESG Mar 2018 - Submit ROLIE configuration checklist information type to IESG Mar 2018 - Submit CoSWID to IESG May 2018 - Initial Draft on ECP over transfer mechanism May 2018 - Initial Draft on YANG-push over transfer mechanism From nobody Fri Nov 17 00:14:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9851E124319 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jSpTUhPSVNec for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x235.google.com (mail-pf0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0159A129353 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x235.google.com with SMTP id m88so1405460pfi.9 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4/Z5niU1SIeaMKpuJ4ts0TUED/EBWYJFe2nbtmOlgRE=; b=gokcAiXcRtxV2O/wfsGWLZKTayuAEQ2dLoRrSzqJFrzpSnGtmMZ+muyKCANwXN5lgt oDTbR7OHI0eBdLdzYr4q2LXO9+JoqXOOugmmE3rx/957yyiDR5uiUKVt/BSX1Y1Pus2s 5yRX+Hc9l0H5xfwdOAwOUCqu8hEv1u7tGGC4xCw1TYwypuDA5mOBSq9I7ICKol0KgdqZ bmTiU7jilpjoVhw1Ct3oeLGoGjhj9Lb6vxvzVxz93T5TTEqQyz0tm+FTVpXG0s/Xy5pl xhjMiJeoDgxURM1zbsmKGHZXywEaHnd8dzFGgEBnscJBn/FSYgelenr4rRxzV6ipBY3W kK0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=4/Z5niU1SIeaMKpuJ4ts0TUED/EBWYJFe2nbtmOlgRE=; b=teROLfuDmMYFFJJ4RMBzNTI4Oh87g2UGq9ze3eNdTGSVkW6IoUX/YOtamwf7gV2XON +TOL81N+Dk6UZNr5BAxQLDQ4cLmSPC91A1sHl/kgzKMJd8SIspCDEfjOjzHhX9pdpXuA mRbLxwEJ9DHae3bb/UjFwpv59aPiiq+JqyCJPYgCPRPQT4d++XKaV3VwAPGI5XhzE0ce Hi1YSkpyTPRyiEld7RxfURap7Xg4iCK0cx6wlv4jE8fDCGrTS5zRg50f8mnv+V+LIcFk JJWfGYFr+bQnAlTqr9Z1zPmziO2qMJc9qRLk8pBQcCE99bX96LXj1pGCqh+dJeU9DJF5 /p/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6Eg85UBpaGnUi1/SF9rWArDFUsADnXtUu7pM6FIzDTWhvXR3aj c6PJEyEY/UHAdJSIoKRnuAtn8QnDIvVkMm8+aAc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYsDkBogKt5DqyMAZ2E6uinSYfBILwlCMFiXZz8IwsIwGK2Ok3FvymoekaSDMltNymqB5fXJS/seBRSIKuIvI8= X-Received: by 10.98.87.138 with SMTP id i10mr1204935pfj.185.1510906476325; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.155.9 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:13:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <151090578522.22153.3751631895111198676.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151090578522.22153.3751631895111198676.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: "sacm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] WG Review: Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (sacm) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:14:43 -0000 For anyone newer to the IETF, the charter was approved in internal review today thanks to your efforts revising the charter and adding milestones. The message below kicks off the external review period and it will be on the next telechat in a couple of weeks. Thanks, Kathleen On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 3:03 AM, The IESG wrote: > The Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (sacm) WG in the Security > Area of the IETF is undergoing rechartering. The IESG has not made any > determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided > for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG > mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by 2017-11-26. > > Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (sacm) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Current status: Active WG > > Chairs: > Christopher Inacio > Adam Montville > Karen O'Donoghue > > Assigned Area Director: > Kathleen Moriarty > > Security Area Directors: > Kathleen Moriarty > Eric Rescorla > > Mailing list: > Address: sacm@ietf.org > To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sacm/ > > Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/sacm/ > > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ > > Securing information and the systems that store, process, and transmit that > information is a challenging task for enterprises of all sizes, and many > security practitioners spend much of their time on manual processes. > Standardized protocols and models aiding collection and evaluation of > endpoint elements enable automation, thus freeing practitioners to focus on > high priority tasks. Due to the breadth of this work, the working group will > address enterprise use cases pertaining to the assessment of endpoint posture > (using the definitions of Endpoint and Posture from RFC 5209). In alignment > with RFC 5209, a network device is an endpoint. > > Posture assessment entails the following five steps which the working will > create solutions to automate: > > 1. Identify and characterize target endpoints > 2. Determine specific endpoint elements to assess > 3. Collect and make available specified elements' actual values > 4. Compare actual element values to policy compliant element values > 5. Make results available > > This working group will focus on collection, evaluation, and orchestration > and communication, as described herein. > > A. Collection. The WG will define a standardized way to provide two types of > guidance to collectors over varying collection mechanisms: > > 1) Which target endpoints to collect from, and > 2) What elements to collect from these target endpoints. > > A set of instructions (such as vulnerability description data, YANG filter > expressions, Windows Management Instrumentation classes, etc.) can be > brokered to the appropriate collectors using the control plane functions > defined by "C. Orchestration and Communication" (below). Element collection > from different sources may require orchestrating functions that go beyond the > set of capabilities a collector can provide. This will inform the > requirements and characteristics for "C. Orchestration and Communication". > The working group recognizes that manual configuration of targets and > corresponding collection profiles will not scale and does not seem to be a > viable option. > > B. Evaluation. The working group will standardize a criteria language > enabling evaluation of actual endpoint posture information against desired > endpoint posture information to produce a standardized result. This > extensible language will support complex Boolean statements, comparison > operators, logical flow statements, and functions for string manipulation. > Additionally, the working group will seek to discover an approach that allows > data from any posture collection mechanism to be generically evaluated. > > C. Orchestration and Communication. The working group will define a set of > control plane functions to enable the orchestration between element > collectors. These element collectors can then provide the requisite elements > sought by posture collectors, posture evaluators, and data repositories. > > Specific work items may include the following: > > - Define a way to provide three types of guidance to the correct SACM > collectors: 1) Which target endpoints to collect from and 2) what to collect > from these target endpoints, and 3) how quickly after an attribute change > information must be collected. When applied, a set of instructions, such as > vulnerability description data or YANG expressions, can be brokered to the > appropriate collectors. > > - Define an extension of IETF NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html] to > collect and deliver information about firmware, operating systems, and > software installed on an endpoint. > > - Describe a criteria language capable of being evaluated against endpoint > posture information to produce a standardized result. The language will > support complex Boolean statements, comparison operators, and functions for > string manipulation; and will be extensible enough to be applicable to the > full range of collected posture attributes. Additionally, this document will > describe an approach that allows data from any posture collection mechanism > to be evaluated. > > - Define a control plane function to enable the discovery and orchestration > between devices that can provide the requisite information sought by posture > collectors, posture evaluators or both. For example, XMPP capable > host/endpoint interactions may be defined through XMPP control plane and data > transfer protocol extensions. Likewise, the asynchronous push of selected > attributes on switches and routers may be framed using YANG Push for periodic > and on-change triggers. > > - Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use by > constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC > 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard. > > - Define best practices for the collection of posture information from > endpoints and its delivery to a collector, from which it can be distributed > using the SACM messaging standards. > > - Extend existing standards for information exchange to support the sharing > of software, configuration information, and other forms of guidance including > extensions to the Resource-Oriented Lightweight Information Exchange (ROLIE). > > - Describe a SACM Information Model and a SACM Architecture including > protocol requirements and their associated use cases as well as a description > of how SACM protocols fit together into a system. > > Milestones: > > Dec 2017 - Submit SWIMA to IESG > > Jan 2018 - WGLC ROLIE software descriptor > > Jan 2018 - WGLC ROLIE configuration checklist information type > > Jan 2018 - WGLC CoSWID > > Jan 2018 - WGLC Endpoint Compliance Profile > > Jan 2018 - Initial Draft on SACM Architecture > > Mar 2018 - Submit ROLIE software descriptor to IESG > > Mar 2018 - Submit ROLIE configuration checklist information type to IESG > > Mar 2018 - Submit CoSWID to IESG > > May 2018 - Initial Draft on ECP over transfer mechanism > > May 2018 - Initial Draft on YANG-push over transfer mechanism > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Mon Nov 27 12:07:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093E5120721 for ; 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----==_mimepart_5a1c770898331_39ed3fc46e7f6f30285cd-- From nobody Wed Nov 29 08:08:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietf.org Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0346128BC8; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 08:08:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Spencer Dawkins To: "The IESG" Cc: sacm-chairs@ietf.org, sacm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151197172491.8025.8035143473511438788.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 08:08:44 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sacm] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:08:45 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm glad to see work in this space going forward (so, "Yes" ballot position), but do have some questions that might be worth considering before the charter is approved. Disclaimer - SACM is far from being something I understand well, and people with more clue may have obvious answers, but since I had questions, I'm asking. I wasn't sure what would actually be extended in the reference to NEA [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html]. Can you point to an NEA RFC that this work is starting from? I realize that SACM and SUIT are now on the same telechat agenda, but is there any relationship between "information about firmware, operating systems, and software installed on an endpoint" and what you're visualizing for SUIT? ("and for TEEP" is another question, and maybe premature) I guess I should ask the same thing about "- Define a method of expressing software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices including a CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification (SWID) tag standard", later in the charter. For the evaluation criteria language - is there a candidate starting point for this work (or even a potential candidate starting point)? 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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm glad to see work in this space going forward (so, "Yes" ballot position), > but do have some questions that might be worth considering before the charter > is approved. > > Disclaimer - SACM is far from being something I understand well, and people > with more clue may have obvious answers, but since I had questions, I'm asking. > > I wasn't sure what would actually be extended in the reference to NEA > [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html]. Can you point to an NEA RFC that this > work is starting from? Yes, we'll add a reference, thank you. If the chairs could respond, I'll take care of the edit. > > I realize that SACM and SUIT are now on the same telechat agenda, but is there > any relationship between "information about firmware, operating systems, and > software installed on an endpoint" and what you're visualizing for SUIT? ("and > for TEEP" is another question, and maybe premature) > > I guess I should ask the same thing about "- Define a method of expressing > software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices including a > CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identification > (SWID) tag standard", later in the charter. Excellent question, thanks for raising it. I guess we'll have to see what SUIT and TEEP finalize on and then there should be reuse where possible as it only makes sense to do this once. If the chairs and participants could chime in, that would be most helpful. Luckily a couple of participants are chairs for SUIT and TEEP. > > For the evaluation criteria language - is there a candidate starting point for > this work (or even a potential candidate starting point)? I'm guessing this is the OVAL work that is deployed by over 50 vendors and was contributed to the IETF, but the chairs confirming would be helpful. > > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Wed Nov 29 19:48:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A97128CD5; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:47:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yyjd484WaJ_c; 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just to call attention to something I did inadvertently ... and to provide a point of feedback to Chris ... On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Chris Inacio wrote: > > > Responses inline, speaking as chair as I sense the group. > > > From: Kathleen Moriarty > > Date: November 29, 2017 at 11:27:36 AM > To: Spencer Dawkins > > Cc: The IESG , > , sacm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: (with > COMMENT) > > Hi Spencer, > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Spencer Dawkins > wrote: > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > > charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: Yes > > Kathleen, I just noticed that I'm the only YES on this ballot. I support the work and roughly the current charter enough to ballot YES, but as far as I know, I'm not the responsible AD, who should probably be a YES before the charter is approved :-) > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'm glad to see work in this space going forward (so, "Yes" ballot > position), > > but do have some questions that might be worth considering before the > charter > > is approved. > > > > Disclaimer - SACM is far from being something I understand well, and > people > > with more clue may have obvious answers, but since I had questions, I'm > asking. > > > > I wasn't sure what would actually be extended in the reference to NEA > > [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html]. Can you point to an NEA RFC > that this > > work is starting from? > > Yes, we'll add a reference, thank you. If the chairs could respond, > I'll take care of the edit. > > In particular the work from NEA that we are extending would be effectively > how to take the posture assessment done and use it beyond the time to do > initial network provisioning. Certainly under discussion is PT-TLS (RFC > 6876) to transport posture information into a SACM evaluation. > > > > > I realize that SACM and SUIT are now on the same telechat agenda, but is > there > > any relationship between "information about firmware, operating systems, > and > > software installed on an endpoint" and what you're visualizing for SUIT? > ("and > > for TEEP" is another question, and maybe premature) > > > > I guess I should ask the same thing about "- Define a method of > expressing > > software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices > including a > > CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software > Identification > > (SWID) tag standard", later in the charter. > > Excellent question, thanks for raising it. I guess we'll have to see > what SUIT and TEEP finalize on and then there should be reuse where > possible as it only makes sense to do this once. If the chairs and > participants could chime in, that would be most helpful. Luckily a > couple of participants are chairs for SUIT and TEEP. > > > > > For the evaluation criteria language - is there a candidate starting > point for > > this work (or even a potential candidate starting point)? > > I'm guessing this is the OVAL work that is deployed by over 50 vendors > and was contributed to the IETF, but the chairs confirming would be > helpful. > > I believe OVAL is a possibility, but not a sure thing. It solves a > particular slice of the problem and we can learn a lot from both its > strengths and weaknesses - to which Danny did a good write up. I do not > believe there is consensus on exactly where to start. > Kathleen is the responsible AD, so do the right thing, but I wonder if pointing to a possible starting point might be useful for people who might not have participated in SACM previously - sort of "the working group might use OVAL as a starting point, so reading it is probably a good place to start". If that confuses things for people who HAVE participated in SACM previously, my suggestion probably isn't helpful! Thanks, Spencer > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > > Regards, > -- > Chris Inacio > inacio@cert.org > > --f403045f3f340b8c58055f2b6fed Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to call attention to something I did inadvertently ..= . and to provide a point of feedback to Chris ...

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Chris Inac= io <inacio@cert.org> wrote:


Responses inline,= speaking as chair as I sense the group.

<= br> From:=C2=A0Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date:=C2=A0November 29, 2017 at 11:27:36 AM
To:=C2=A0Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc:=C2=A0The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, <sacm-chairs@ietf.org>, sacm@ietf.org <sacm@ietf.org>
Subject:=C2=A0 Re: Spencer Dawkins' Yes on = charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: (with COMMENT)

Hi Spencer,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Spencer Dawkins
<spen= cerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for
> charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: Yes
Kathleen, I just noticed that I'm the only YE= S on this ballot. I support the work and roughly the current charter enough= to ballot YES,=C2=A0 but as far as I know, I'm not the responsible AD,= who should probably be a YES before the charter is approved :-)
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all =
> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
> COMMENT:
> ------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
>
> I'm glad to see work in this space going forward (so, "Yes&qu= ot; ballot position),
> but do have some questions that might be worth considering before the = charter
> is approved.
>
> Disclaimer - SACM is far from being something I understand well, and p= eople
> with more clue may have obvious answers, but since I had questions, I&= #39;m asking.
>
> I wasn't sure what would actually be extended in the reference to = NEA
> [= https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html]. Can you point to an NEA R= FC that this
> work is starting from?

Yes, we'll add a reference, thank you. If the chairs could respond, I'll take care of the edit.

In particular the work from NEA that we are extending would be = effectively how to take the posture assessment done and use it beyond the t= ime to do initial network provisioning.=C2=A0 Certainly under discussion is= PT-TLS (RFC 6876) to transport posture information into a SACM evaluation.

>=C2=A0=
> I realize that SACM and SUIT are now on the same telechat agenda, but = is there=C2=A0<= /span>
> any relationship between "information about firmware, operating s= ystems, and=C2= =A0
> software installed on an endpoint" and what you're visualizin= g for SUIT? ("and=C2=A0
> for TEEP" is another question, and maybe premature)=C2=A0
>=C2=A0
> I guess I should ask the same thing about "- Define a method of e= xpressing=C2=A0=
> software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices incl= uding a=C2=A0
> CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software Identifica= tion=C2=A0
> (SWID) tag standard", later in the charter.=C2=A0

Excellent question, thanks for raising it. I guess we'll have to see=C2=A0
what SUIT and TEEP finalize on and then there should be reuse where=C2=A0
possible as it only makes sense to do this once. If the chairs and=C2=A0
participants could chime in, that would be most helpful. Luckily a=C2=A0
couple of participants are chairs for SUIT and TEEP.=C2=A0

>=C2=A0
> For the evaluation criteria language - is there a candidate starting p= oint for=C2=A0<= /span>
> this work (or even a potential candidate starting point)?=C2=A0

I'm guessing this is the OVAL work that is deployed by over 50 vendors<= span class=3D"m_-7220313612261144677Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0 and was contributed to the IETF, but the chairs confirming would be=C2=A0
helpful.=C2=A0<= /span>

I believe OVAL is a possibility, but not a sure thing.=C2=A0 It s= olves a particular slice of the problem and we can learn a lot from both it= s strengths and weaknesses - to which Danny did a good write up.=C2=A0 I do= not believe there is consensus on exactly where to start.

Kathleen is the responsible AD, so do= the right thing, but I wonder if pointing to a possible starting point mig= ht be useful for people who might not have participated in SACM previously = - sort of "the working group might use OVAL as a starting point, so re= ading it is probably a good place to start".

= If that confuses things for people who HAVE participated in SACM previously= , my suggestion probably isn't helpful!

Thanks= ,

Spencer=C2=A0



>=C2=A0
>=C2=A0



--=C2=A0=

Best regards,= =C2=A0
Kathleen=C2=A0<= /span>


Regards,
--=C2=A0
Chris Inacio
inacio@cert.org


--f403045f3f340b8c58055f2b6fed-- From nobody Wed Nov 29 20:22:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E544A127868; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:22:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KOn8Yy88pgSS; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x234.google.com (mail-pf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6805124207; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id u19so2582915pfa.12; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UO0LPn10Qsf+uHPIGbmXlKZiYC5cjwPP+ZLpJFflsKs=; b=TXkxla2f1DkV+qEvw55nsLi1430injUfbRz4FBoof56FgyB7GW6MAg1RJAQJdxEKXh NXBksCeXnPztPC0N7YjisyFsHNtcLzN2pgPyiEcU0EFK9n1Rw6uSFPOx7e40BqR8mbuM qn0Bw1+KdunBzdGm94RJPW0xN2Xy6XjaIBSUxDPpRqK0VvYt5RZx2R0qeC3pnswATu5z guelNNDqKgw5knazgJxt+BB3/ukPHMK0nm0Zim3mug0WIVJ8zIsGlbpJTDAQ0PXKXPTu ZLojfl7ilGZHxMXrQhOEZCX7ol81efuCZGlKe4UUDtGY1ZPAnNA9mVAA/+ZTAOQ8PEiw yCbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UO0LPn10Qsf+uHPIGbmXlKZiYC5cjwPP+ZLpJFflsKs=; b=LoXwFHx0RIpwk/iraDDn8L3dml6xZxu05g9IIZhC250Sxn4dY8ehWByS+/YSSKgsMw cv4UVOtOpipPZI2HRGFdAPBGwYeseYzv40Mmc0UrdC9IF/flbK1UNYh2CzWoGhUjg8hN e0f4HBgMa+lz0fHfMzrzVQ+2wyg9iimdPF3fSt1yCt7K+B/RA4OTRuvJq9w5F6yprifS miawhYh5qDity2toUNGvOAXqSmbomFkqF7sVU1qrjYuF1zSqddXg1Q028y4ZcF5q7Amo Tse1KuFmFrqVP7TTq6ehr+bpWc2hHgTnCfpb87oAWQlWJmGPOme07u9cNY6t4x2+10b3 sCJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6YsF8lDinS3Po8IhuIllWyqOUeImxH7ZkYaVVqeaEg1bpMseNL SbD6GbjwB1eFg4I5TX0NQp5Xoc1KMWQWF7i28Y8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbP4dXCZHgdfpUBMpzG5mMYA862NqgCsEzrrV+rGRTc2Q+zuln6Gvb9df5yg9cWO9/SiHr7t+RweCYDbrnb7N4= X-Received: by 10.99.50.69 with SMTP id y66mr1157631pgy.217.1512015733167; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.186.208 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:21:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <151197172491.8025.8035143473511438788.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:21:32 -0500 Message-ID: To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Cc: Chris Inacio , "sacm@ietf.org" , The IESG , "" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 04:22:16 -0000 Hi Spencer, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > Just to call attention to something I did inadvertently ... and to provide a > point of feedback to Chris ... > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Chris Inacio wrote: >> >> >> >> Responses inline, speaking as chair as I sense the group. >> >> >> From: Kathleen Moriarty >> Date: November 29, 2017 at 11:27:36 AM >> To: Spencer Dawkins >> Cc: The IESG , , sacm@ietf.org >> >> Subject: Re: Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: (with >> COMMENT) >> >> Hi Spencer, >> >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Spencer Dawkins >> wrote: >> > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for >> > charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: Yes > > Kathleen, I just noticed that I'm the only YES on this ballot. I support the > work and roughly the current charter enough to ballot YES, but as far as I > know, I'm not the responsible AD, who should probably be a YES before the > charter is approved :-) Thanks, I'll get to that shortly. This was put into a ballot through the help of the secretariat, so I missed that step being it was done through a different process. >> >> > >> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> > introductory paragraph, however.) >> > >> > >> > >> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > COMMENT: >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > I'm glad to see work in this space going forward (so, "Yes" ballot >> > position), >> > but do have some questions that might be worth considering before the >> > charter >> > is approved. >> > >> > Disclaimer - SACM is far from being something I understand well, and >> > people >> > with more clue may have obvious answers, but since I had questions, I'm >> > asking. >> > >> > I wasn't sure what would actually be extended in the reference to NEA >> > [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html]. Can you point to an NEA RFC >> > that this >> > work is starting from? >> >> Yes, we'll add a reference, thank you. If the chairs could respond, >> I'll take care of the edit. >> >> In particular the work from NEA that we are extending would be effectively >> how to take the posture assessment done and use it beyond the time to do >> initial network provisioning. Certainly under discussion is PT-TLS (RFC >> 6876) to transport posture information into a SACM evaluation. >> >> > >> > I realize that SACM and SUIT are now on the same telechat agenda, but is >> > there >> > any relationship between "information about firmware, operating systems, >> > and >> > software installed on an endpoint" and what you're visualizing for SUIT? >> > ("and >> > for TEEP" is another question, and maybe premature) >> > >> > I guess I should ask the same thing about "- Define a method of >> > expressing >> > software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices >> > including a >> > CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software >> > Identification >> > (SWID) tag standard", later in the charter. >> >> Excellent question, thanks for raising it. I guess we'll have to see >> what SUIT and TEEP finalize on and then there should be reuse where >> possible as it only makes sense to do this once. If the chairs and >> participants could chime in, that would be most helpful. Luckily a >> couple of participants are chairs for SUIT and TEEP. >> >> > >> > For the evaluation criteria language - is there a candidate starting >> > point for >> > this work (or even a potential candidate starting point)? >> >> I'm guessing this is the OVAL work that is deployed by over 50 vendors >> and was contributed to the IETF, but the chairs confirming would be >> helpful. >> >> I believe OVAL is a possibility, but not a sure thing. It solves a >> particular slice of the problem and we can learn a lot from both its >> strengths and weaknesses - to which Danny did a good write up. I do not >> believe there is consensus on exactly where to start. > > Kathleen is the responsible AD, so do the right thing, but I wonder if > pointing to a possible starting point might be useful for people who might > not have participated in SACM previously - sort of "the working group might > use OVAL as a starting point, so reading it is probably a good place to > start". > > If that confuses things for people who HAVE participated in SACM previously, > my suggestion probably isn't helpful! Having something makes sense, but I'd like the chairs to weigh in on the text prior to making any updates. If they have multiple examples, that might be better as not to show preference since one has not been selected. Thanks, Kathleen > > Thanks, > > Spencer >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen >> >> >> Regards, >> -- >> Chris Inacio >> inacio@cert.org >> > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Wed Nov 29 20:39:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB222128AA1; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:39:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XYiiVlg8Updl; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yb0-x22b.google.com (mail-yb0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDC87124207; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id i206so2242899ybc.10; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:39:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CMF+u7wtXyS+94o2ZdmN+8zWE/GSAegNGzIoRYqjTlU=; b=MXVIKkxKnO6JZHIpaQ+8GxPWoT6y5jUQEToPt5EC1rJVygt+CPpsSmNoww76XLcqQM z1C3xs5ub22rWhtI/yjFAD5Ukl4iW33q8dxz5F1k1fpoK8aA/nqP9wb0OQZA0B9qLuzC PtSfNPrrcuTPN0MY9OjgesBgzD2jMuHAqQ/fK1fh1tqJWQxI/bWNsCJ8tJqhvZPTKCOC dy5mM1less685KJ1rJnZjWhxrz2APO7ka7RkO8vp6GxoYIL371PjP+7UAIwxRnm8qR9o BMLeJFjMV4677Hu7HTZj6lGmkoe/F+9ls9YZ3Nvw2x8iq2MAuMOyrqiFAP0MlFBtPVh9 4/9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CMF+u7wtXyS+94o2ZdmN+8zWE/GSAegNGzIoRYqjTlU=; b=SwNH7DXB/Hemd+GrAm2FuuBckMe7+h5dvPN6748DApUgNQKY87HZA5UyzTSF+I/b5p nW4LsXFA4tN1Fw8AP31xC9hE+BMFFJiBeKKypF/XOcuRybXudnucY90TWWjdqCSib6se 3bktj53rxoDfuS5agBNtktOWggovfNCI/9V44X6Xiraz/8/MXAFNYzqHkwqs6AOkOVaq TGw7lKsjGfhhURS5gAenFdqMbHa3GLYOdQnst+000QzCo44VREfWBjtlFJS9MGhhgrsP CmHOx/FV5TZcYF/YpSJa33MUZOcAB+YcLWD/KVW1CNAVj0LBzTGwNDFXy2ow2/RzHy/I FCSw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7antETHDGQkwf8paLbMXHmk/AbC7ymqrMLApaSK+B7todkFpMW TwLkyjI0BvbIfVy5NL2SW9NxKDQUPnt7ajiyLV4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbVR0u7+hfpBTfRQ2W3pmnBf6ksiXN4GeYYr5AF+MMX39qqD2AL0w3yMFtcI2sTVYKQf+5IAbXMS73RXq0ViyM= X-Received: by 10.37.195.196 with SMTP id t187mr722885ybf.195.1512016765839; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:39:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.135.75 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:39:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <151197172491.8025.8035143473511438788.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:39:25 -0600 Message-ID: To: Kathleen Moriarty Cc: Chris Inacio , "sacm@ietf.org" , The IESG , "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05527e38f052055f2bd65a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 04:39:30 -0000 --94eb2c05527e38f052055f2bd65a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Kathleen, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Spencer, > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF > wrote: > > Just to call attention to something I did inadvertently ... and to > provide a > > point of feedback to Chris ... > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Chris Inacio wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Responses inline, speaking as chair as I sense the group. > >> > >> > >> From: Kathleen Moriarty > >> Date: November 29, 2017 at 11:27:36 AM > >> To: Spencer Dawkins > >> Cc: The IESG , , sacm@ietf.org > >> > >> Subject: Re: Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: (with > >> COMMENT) > >> > >> Hi Spencer, > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Spencer Dawkins > >> wrote: > >> > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > >> > charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: Yes > > > > Kathleen, I just noticed that I'm the only YES on this ballot. I support > the > > work and roughly the current charter enough to ballot YES, but as far > as I > > know, I'm not the responsible AD, who should probably be a YES before the > > charter is approved :-) > > Thanks, I'll get to that shortly. This was put into a ballot through > the help of the secretariat, so I missed that step being it was done > through a different process. > Sure. I've seen this happen on a couple of other documents, usually when a responsible AD pulls back from a Yes based on discussion during IESG evaluation, so there are multiple paths to get here. Amy has been quite good at not only noticing the right number of Yes, No Objections, and Discusses, but also noticing who the Yeses are from, and I wanted to save her from having to notice something I'd already noticed :-) ... > > >> > >> > > >> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > >> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut > this > >> > introductory paragraph, however.) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sacm/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > >> > COMMENT: > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > >> > > >> > I'm glad to see work in this space going forward (so, "Yes" ballot > >> > position), > >> > but do have some questions that might be worth considering before the > >> > charter > >> > is approved. > >> > > >> > Disclaimer - SACM is far from being something I understand well, and > >> > people > >> > with more clue may have obvious answers, but since I had questions, > I'm > >> > asking. > >> > > >> > I wasn't sure what would actually be extended in the reference to NEA > >> > [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html]. Can you point to an NEA RFC > >> > that this > >> > work is starting from? > >> > >> Yes, we'll add a reference, thank you. If the chairs could respond, > >> I'll take care of the edit. > >> > >> In particular the work from NEA that we are extending would be > effectively > >> how to take the posture assessment done and use it beyond the time to do > >> initial network provisioning. Certainly under discussion is PT-TLS (RFC > >> 6876) to transport posture information into a SACM evaluation. > >> > >> > > >> > I realize that SACM and SUIT are now on the same telechat agenda, but > is > >> > there > >> > any relationship between "information about firmware, operating > systems, > >> > and > >> > software installed on an endpoint" and what you're visualizing for > SUIT? > >> > ("and > >> > for TEEP" is another question, and maybe premature) > >> > > >> > I guess I should ask the same thing about "- Define a method of > >> > expressing > >> > software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained devices > >> > including a > >> > CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software > >> > Identification > >> > (SWID) tag standard", later in the charter. > >> > >> Excellent question, thanks for raising it. I guess we'll have to see > >> what SUIT and TEEP finalize on and then there should be reuse where > >> possible as it only makes sense to do this once. If the chairs and > >> participants could chime in, that would be most helpful. Luckily a > >> couple of participants are chairs for SUIT and TEEP. > >> > >> > > >> > For the evaluation criteria language - is there a candidate starting > >> > point for > >> > this work (or even a potential candidate starting point)? > >> > >> I'm guessing this is the OVAL work that is deployed by over 50 vendors > >> and was contributed to the IETF, but the chairs confirming would be > >> helpful. > >> > >> I believe OVAL is a possibility, but not a sure thing. It solves a > >> particular slice of the problem and we can learn a lot from both its > >> strengths and weaknesses - to which Danny did a good write up. I do not > >> believe there is consensus on exactly where to start. > > > > Kathleen is the responsible AD, so do the right thing, but I wonder if > > pointing to a possible starting point might be useful for people who > might > > not have participated in SACM previously - sort of "the working group > might > > use OVAL as a starting point, so reading it is probably a good place to > > start". > > > > If that confuses things for people who HAVE participated in SACM > previously, > > my suggestion probably isn't helpful! > > Having something makes sense, but I'd like the chairs to weigh in on > the text prior to making any updates. If they have multiple examples, > that might be better as not to show preference since one has not been > selected. Sure, and you and the chairs will do the right thing. Spencer --94eb2c05527e38f052055f2bd65a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Kathleen,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Spencer,

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF
<spencerdawkins.ietf@gm= ail.com> wrote:
> Just to call attention to something I did inadvertently ... and to pro= vide a
> point of feedback to Chris ...
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Chris Inacio <inacio@cert.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Responses inline, speaking as chair as I sense the group.
>>
>>
>> From: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
>> Date: November 29, 2017 at 11:27:36 AM
>> To: Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
>> Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, <sacm-chairs@ietf.org= >, sacm@ietf.org
>> <sacm@ietf.org>
>> Subject:=C2=A0 Re: Spencer Dawkins' Yes on charter-ietf-sacm-0= 2-02: (with
>> COMMENT)
>>
>> Hi Spencer,
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Spencer Dawkins
>> <spencerdawkin= s.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for=
>> > charter-ietf-sacm-02-02: Yes
>
> Kathleen, I just noticed that I'm the only YES on this ballot. I s= upport the
> work and roughly the current charter enough to ballot YES,=C2=A0 but a= s far as I
> know, I'm not the responsible AD, who should probably be a YES bef= ore the
> charter is approved :-)

Thanks, I'll get to that shortly.=C2=A0 This was put into a ball= ot through
the help of the secretariat, so I missed that step being it was done
through a different process.

Sure. I= 9;ve seen this happen on a couple of other documents, usually when a respon= sible AD pulls back from a Yes based on discussion during IESG evaluation, = so there are multiple paths to get here. Amy has been quite good at not onl= y noticing the right number of Yes, No Objections, and Discusses, but also = noticing who the Yeses are from, and I wanted to save her from having to no= tice something I'd already noticed :-) ...
=C2=A0

>>
>> >
>> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and repl= y to all
>> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free t= o cut this
>> > introductory paragraph, however.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found= here:
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/charter-ietf-sacm/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------= --------------
>> > COMMENT:
>> > --------------------------------------------------------= --------------
>> >
>> > I'm glad to see work in this space going forward (so, &qu= ot;Yes" ballot
>> > position),
>> > but do have some questions that might be worth considering be= fore the
>> > charter
>> > is approved.
>> >
>> > Disclaimer - SACM is far from being something I understand we= ll, and
>> > people
>> > with more clue may have obvious answers, but since I had ques= tions, I'm
>> > asking.
>> >
>> > I wasn't sure what would actually be extended in the refe= rence to NEA
>> > [https://ietf.org/wg/concluded/nea.html= ]. Can you point to an NEA RFC
>> > that this
>> > work is starting from?
>>
>> Yes, we'll add a reference, thank you. If the chairs could res= pond,
>> I'll take care of the edit.
>>
>> In particular the work from NEA that we are extending would be eff= ectively
>> how to take the posture assessment done and use it beyond the time= to do
>> initial network provisioning.=C2=A0 Certainly under discussion is = PT-TLS (RFC
>> 6876) to transport posture information into a SACM evaluation.
>>
>> >
>> > I realize that SACM and SUIT are now on the same telechat age= nda, but is
>> > there
>> > any relationship between "information about firmware, op= erating systems,
>> > and
>> > software installed on an endpoint" and what you're v= isualizing for SUIT?
>> > ("and
>> > for TEEP" is another question, and maybe premature)
>> >
>> > I guess I should ask the same thing about "- Define a me= thod of
>> > expressing
>> > software metadata that is suitable for use by constrained dev= ices
>> > including a
>> > CBOR-based format derived from the ISO/IEC 19770-2 Software >> > Identification
>> > (SWID) tag standard", later in the charter.
>>
>> Excellent question, thanks for raising it. I guess we'll have = to see
>> what SUIT and TEEP finalize on and then there should be reuse wher= e
>> possible as it only makes sense to do this once. If the chairs and=
>> participants could chime in, that would be most helpful. Luckily a=
>> couple of participants are chairs for SUIT and TEEP.
>>
>> >
>> > For the evaluation criteria language - is there a candidate s= tarting
>> > point for
>> > this work (or even a potential candidate starting point)?
>>
>> I'm guessing this is the OVAL work that is deployed by over 50= vendors
>> and was contributed to the IETF, but the chairs confirming would b= e
>> helpful.
>>
>> I believe OVAL is a possibility, but not a sure thing.=C2=A0 It so= lves a
>> particular slice of the problem and we can learn a lot from both i= ts
>> strengths and weaknesses - to which Danny did a good write up.=C2= =A0 I do not
>> believe there is consensus on exactly where to start.
>
> Kathleen is the responsible AD, so do the right thing, but I wonder if=
> pointing to a possible starting point might be useful for people who m= ight
> not have participated in SACM previously - sort of "the working g= roup might
> use OVAL as a starting point, so reading it is probably a good place t= o
> start".
>
> If that confuses things for people who HAVE participated in SACM previ= ously,
> my suggestion probably isn't helpful!

Having something makes sense, but I'd like the chairs to we= igh in on
the text prior to making any updates.=C2=A0 If they have multiple examples,=
that might be better as not to show preference since one has not been
selected.

Sure, and you and the chairs will= do the right thing.

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All:

At IETF 100 I offered to take the = pen on our terminology draft. I've begun cleaning out the issues, and I= have picked up where I left of in my review (which was back in July). I= 9;ve finished my review, but I haven't yet added each of the issues.=C2= =A0

Would you prefer that I create an issue for ea= ch proposal I have, or would you prefer I simply make the changes and you c= an diff them later?

I ask for two reasons. First, = there are a lot of changes I'd like to make, and I'd be making at l= east another 30-40 issues. Second, most of the changes I'd like to make= are clarifying (i.e. removing unnecessary terms, and superfluous language)= .

Unless many of you would plan to review each of = the issues, I would prefer to clean up the draft and deal with any objectio= ns that may come after the fact.

Thoughts?

Kind regards,

Adam
--001a113f8f84213a1c055f3a082f-- From nobody Thu Nov 30 13:42:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sacm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1721294B2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:42:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBAB0LyTHJu2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 567D01205D3 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id vAULgDHc027557 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:42:13 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vAULgDOo027843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:42:13 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id vAULgCbw014161 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:42:13 GMT Received: from [10.132.94.44] (/10.132.94.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:42:12 -0800 To: sacm@ietf.org References: From: Jarrett Lu Message-ID: <660d5cf1-e8bd-6a26-fdd9-30ec90129bed@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:41:30 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; SunOS i86pc; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6C5DFFD03DD4C6B7D15BF570" Content-Language: en-US X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM Terminology X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:42:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6C5DFFD03DD4C6B7D15BF570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's far more efficient to make all the changes and review the diffs. Opening 30-40 issues sounds like a lot of overhead without much benefit. We can revert back to opening individual issue when the volume is low. Thanks. - Jarrett On 11/30/17 01:35 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > All: > > At IETF 100 I offered to take the pen on our terminology draft. I've > begun cleaning out the issues, and I have picked up where I left of in > my review (which was back in July). I've finished my review, but I > haven't yet added each of the issues. > > Would you prefer that I create an issue for each proposal I have, or > would you prefer I simply make the changes and you can diff them later? > > I ask for two reasons. First, there are a lot of changes I'd like to > make, and I'd be making at least another 30-40 issues. Second, most of > the changes I'd like to make are clarifying (i.e. removing unnecessary > terms, and superfluous language). > > Unless many of you would plan to review each of the issues, I would > prefer to clean up the draft and deal with any objections that may > come after the fact. > > Thoughts? > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --------------6C5DFFD03DD4C6B7D15BF570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I think it's far more efficient to make all the changes and review the diffs. Opening 30-40 issues sounds like a lot of overhead without much benefit. We can revert back to opening individual issue when the volume is low.

Thanks.

- Jarrett


On 11/30/17 01:35 PM, Adam Montville wrote:
All:

At IETF 100 I offered to take the pen on our terminology draft. I've begun cleaning out the issues, and I have picked up where I left of in my review (which was back in July). I've finished my review, but I haven't yet added each of the issues. 

Would you prefer that I create an issue for each proposal I have, or would you prefer I simply make the changes and you can diff them later?

I ask for two reasons. First, there are a lot of changes I'd like to make, and I'd be making at least another 30-40 issues. Second, most of the changes I'd like to make are clarifying (i.e. removing unnecessary terms, and superfluous language).

Unless many of you would plan to review each of the issues, I would prefer to clean up the draft and deal with any objections that may come after the fact.

Thoughts?

Kind regards,

Adam


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boundary="94eb2c06aace3b2c43055f3a71c9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM Terminology X-BeenThere: sacm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SACM WG mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 22:04:58 -0000 --94eb2c06aace3b2c43055f3a71c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My intent is to handle all open issues not labeled as a question, in addition to those I=E2=80=99ve not yet entered. Henk, I=E2=80=99d actually like to rev the draft. Adam On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:54 PM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) < ncamwing@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Thanks for helping on this! And agree with Jarrett on efficiency, are yo= u > effectively addressing all current open issues? If not, my only other > suggestion would be to create an issue to spell out the ones you are > addressing. > > > > Best, Nancy > > > > *From: *sacm on behalf of Jarrett Lu < > jarrett.lu@oracle.com> > *Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:41 PM > *To: *"sacm@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [sacm] SACM Terminology > > > > I think it's far more efficient to make all the changes and review the > diffs. Opening 30-40 issues sounds like a lot of overhead without much > benefit. We can revert back to opening individual issue when the volume i= s > low. > > Thanks. > > - Jarrett > > > > On 11/30/17 01:35 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > > All: > > > > At IETF 100 I offered to take the pen on our terminology draft. I've begu= n > cleaning out the issues, and I have picked up where I left of in my revie= w > (which was back in July). I've finished my review, but I haven't yet adde= d > each of the issues. > > > > Would you prefer that I create an issue for each proposal I have, or woul= d > you prefer I simply make the changes and you can diff them later? > > > > I ask for two reasons. First, there are a lot of changes I'd like to make= , > and I'd be making at least another 30-40 issues. Second, most of the > changes I'd like to make are clarifying (i.e. removing unnecessary terms, > and superfluous language). > > > > Unless many of you would plan to review each of the issues, I would prefe= r > to clean up the draft and deal with any objections that may come after th= e > fact. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sacm mailing list > > sacm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > > > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > --94eb2c06aace3b2c43055f3a71c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My intent is to handle all open issues not labeled as a question, in additi= on to those I=E2=80=99ve not yet entered.

Henk, I=E2=80=99d actually= like to rev the draft.

Adam

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:54 PM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <= ;ncamwing@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Adam,

Thanks for helping on this!=C2=A0 And agree with Jarrett on efficiency, ar= e you effectively addressing all current open issues?=C2=A0 If not, my only= other suggestion would be to create an issue to spell out the ones you are addressing.

=C2=A0

Best, Nancy

=C2=A0

F= rom: sacm <sacm-bounces@ietf.org> = on behalf of Jarrett Lu <jarrett.lu@oracle.com>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:41 PM
To: "sacm@ie= tf.org" <sac= m@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [sacm] SACM Terminology

=C2=A0

I think it's far more efficient to make all the changes and review t= he diffs. Opening 30-40 issues sounds like a lot of overhead without much b= enefit. We can revert back to opening individual issue when the volume is l= ow.

Thanks.

- Jarrett

=C2=A0

On 11/30/17 01:35 PM, Adam Montville wrote:

All:

=C2=A0

At IETF 100 I offered to take the pen on our termino= logy draft. I've begun cleaning out the issues, and I have picked up wh= ere I left of in my review (which was back in July). I've finished my r= eview, but I haven't yet added each of the issues.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Would you prefer that I create an issue for each pro= posal I have, or would you prefer I simply make the changes and you can dif= f them later?

=C2=A0

I ask for two reasons. First, there are a lot of cha= nges I'd like to make, and I'd be making at least another 30-40 iss= ues. Second, most of the changes I'd like to make are clarifying (i.e. = removing unnecessary terms, and superfluous language).

=C2=A0

Unless many of you would plan to review each of the = issues, I would prefer to clean up the draft and deal with any objections t= hat may come after the fact.

=C2=A0

Thoughts?

=C2=A0

Kind regards,

=C2=A0

Adam




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