From brett@broadsoft.com Sun Jul 1 10:10:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1368511E80CD for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5gl1eUzKczne for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout01.partnerhosted.com (smtpedge01.chinookhosting.com [173.225.22.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E782B11E8080 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from casumhub01.citservers.local (172.16.98.57) by FW01.citservers.local (172.16.98.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:13:12 -0700 Received: from EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:a488:d1ec:167.6.58.109]) by casumhub01.citservers.local ([172.16.98.57]) with mapi; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:13:12 -0700 From: Brett Tate To: Paul Kyzivat , "salud@ietf.org" Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:10:13 -0700 Thread-Topic: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: questions and comments Thread-Index: Ac1WOoOEINlSuH4ESfKYvgOlahBVUwBbBkGQ Message-ID: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBD72@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> References: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBC7E@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> <4FEDF197.4040103@alum.mit.edu> <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBCFE@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> <4FEE173C.5030906@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4FEE173C.5030906@alum.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: questions and comments X-BeenThere: salud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Sip ALerting for User Devices working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:10:22 -0000 > IMO its somewhat of a perversion to send an INVITE while=20 > desiring that it not be answered. Although some vendors might use MESSAGE or NOTIFY, the INVITE is another wa= y to cause a ringsplash (associated with some telecom services). However u= nless the UAS knows you are attempting a ringsplash (such as by using the A= lert-Info), the alert might not fully play or play too long. > Even more of an abuse to overload the alert urn to > indicate that you don't want the call answered. I don't necessarily disagree; however it obviously leads to wondering if an= yone would want to send the mentioned ringsplash Alert-Info and have the ca= ll to be answered. > On 6/29/12 4:02 PM, Brett Tate wrote: > >> The term "ringsplash" itself doesn't convey any semantics. > >> Do you expect it to be a *special* tone? Or do you simply > >> expect it to be brief? > > > > I'd expect it to be something like RFC 2705's ringsplash. And if > possible, I'd also want the Alert-Info to clearly communicate that this > is a ringsplash and indicate the related service. In case the > subsequent CANCEL is early or late, I'd also hope the alert plays once > and fully regardless of the CANCEL being early or late. And being > overly optimistic (without defining a do-not-answer value for RFC > 5373's Answer-Mode), I'd also potentially want the device to completely > treat this as a ringsplash INVITE instead of sending an INVITE 200 > response if called party answers prior to CANCEL. > > > > RFC 2705 section 6.1.5: > > "Ringsplash, also known as "Reminder ring" is a burst of ringing > > that may be applied to the physical forwarding line (when idle) > to > > indicate that a call has been forwarded and to remind the user > > that a CF subfeature is active. In the US, it is defined to be a > > 0.5(-0,+0.1) second burst of power ringing. See TR-TSY-000586 - > > Call Forwarding Subfeatures." > > > >> My first thought is just to specify urn:alert:duration:short, > >> along with whatever you want to specify the type of alert. > >> Or maybe you need "very-short". > >> > >> But it would be better to define a urn that specifies > >> the *semantic* you want the alert to convey. Isn't > >> urn:alert:service:forward already an example of this? > > > > As currently defined, "urn:alert:service:forward" appears to be an > alert played to caller (off hook) instead of the called party (on > hook). Similarly there is currently nothing in the urn to indicate if > 1) the INVITE is a forwarded call or 2) a ringsplash because the call > was forwarded (instead of being delivered). > > > > Also since do-not-disturb is not one of the currently defined > services within the draft, I'd want to be able to stimulate a > ringsplash (if the device knows how) even if the device does not know > the related service (do-not-disturb). From brett@broadsoft.com Mon Jul 2 05:28:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A979F21F87B2 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_84=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ti9iIR1uztHT for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout01.partnerhosted.com (smtpout01.partnerhosted.com [173.225.22.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B299721F85D8 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CASUMHUB02.citservers.local (172.16.98.58) by FW02.citservers.local (172.16.98.4) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:30:49 -0700 Received: from EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local ([fe80::a488:d1ec:a706:3a6d]) by CASUMHUB02.citservers.local ([::1]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:30:48 -0700 From: Brett Tate To: Paul Kyzivat , "salud@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:27:50 -0700 Thread-Topic: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: silent and visual Thread-Index: Ac1VUmneKZr+RmA4S+WBzOxHp0mmygC+R0CQ Message-ID: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBDB5@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> References: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBA16@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> <4FEC91D5.9040907@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4FEC91D5.9040907@alum.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: silent and visual X-BeenThere: salud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Sip ALerting for User Devices working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:28:13 -0000 > IMO duration:none is a hack, and I would prefer to see=20 > something more explicit. And I don't see any of the=20 > existing proposed alert-categories being well suited=20 > for describing this. So I think this will require a new=20 > category. I'm not convinced "visual" is it. How about=20 > simply urn:alert:none? The "urn:alert:none" option sounds okay to me; however it might be ambiguou= s concerning if only applies to "audible" alerts. Thus, it might be good to have something like "urn:alert:silent" instead of= the "none" or as a related alternative. 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[127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D1611E812F for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.138 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.138 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.701, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kQteEVOjmczJ for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe14:43:76:96:62:24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8994821F8628 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VVcz1j00B0Fqzac51ZBv6X; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:11:55 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([50.138.229.164]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VZBt1j00a3ZTu2S3UZBtEE; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:11:54 +0000 Message-ID: <4FF20E4C.3030301@alum.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:10:36 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: salud@ietf.org References: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBA16@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: silent and visual X-BeenThere: salud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Sip ALerting for User Devices working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:11:49 -0000 On 7/2/12 4:30 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: > On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 09:56 -0700, Brett Tate wrote: >> Some services such as RFC 5373's automatic answer may be interested in >> silent or visual alerting. >> >> If it isn't too late (and topic not already raised/rejected), is there >> any interest in discussing such things within >> draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns? >> >> The following are a couple of potential options without requiring the >> service indication. >> >> An option for silent could be "urn:alert:duration:none". >> >> An option for visual (without audio) could be >> "urn:alert:visual:noaudio" although it might be better to split into 2 >> urn values. > > The concept is interesting, but beware of confusing the intention with > the implementation. What you're really talking about is > url:alert:priority:reallyreallylow or url:alert:priority:none. (If the > user is deaf, "visual" alerting is *normal*.) Its unclear to me exactly what semantic is desired here. Maybe there is more than one. For instance, "silent" may be sufficient - visual alerting may be fine in some cases, because it is less likely to bother others. But that may not always be true. (If you are displaying your screen on a projector in a meeting, visual alerting could still be a bother.) > It could be argued that "reallyreallylow" is sufficiently covered by > urn:alert:priority:low. > > urn:alert:priority:none is much more interesting, because it suggests > that the UA could engage in a dialog without notifying the user. I > could easily imagine that I would configure my UA so that if the > requested alerting was "none", the UA would alert me anyway. Note that no alerting doesn't imply auto answer. RFC 5373 provides a mechanism for requesting auto-answer. It was intentionally separated from alerting issues. So specifying both answer-mode:auto and alert none might bug your room. There are lots of warnings in that draft about being careful about that. Specifying alert "none" without auto-answer would be problematic. You would still need to answer the call, but wouldn't know you should. Thanks, Paul > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > salud mailing list > salud@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/salud > From brett@broadsoft.com Tue Jul 3 06:04:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E5B21F8777 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:04:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gaR-xQzY-mLz for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout01.partnerhosted.com (smtpout01.partnerhosted.com [173.225.22.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DB021F8850 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from casumhub01.citservers.local (172.16.98.57) by FW01.citservers.local (172.16.98.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:07:28 -0700 Received: from EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:a488:d1ec:167.6.58.109]) by casumhub01.citservers.local ([172.16.98.57]) with mapi; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:07:28 -0700 From: Brett Tate To: "salud@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:04:29 -0700 Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value concatenation Thread-Index: Ac1ZHGFr2pt58VM/QSu5Xctf32+RiA== Message-ID: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF32@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value concatenation X-BeenThere: salud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Sip ALerting for User Devices working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:04:24 -0000 Concerning draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns's durations, can they be combin= ed to indicate a ring pattern? If so, how? For instance, would "urn:alert:duration:short:short:long" create a short:sh= ort:long ring pattern? Thanks, Brett This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addre= ssed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you ar= e not the intended recipient and have received this email in error, please = notify BroadSoft, Inc. immediately by replying to this message, or by sendi= ng an email to helpdesk@broadsoft.com, and destroy all copies of this messa= ge, along with any attachment, prior to reading, distributing or copying it= . From pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu Tue Jul 3 07:16:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C8A21F885A for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.047 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.552, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KVcjwKnJHVIo for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4466B21F876A for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VnSu1j0090bG4ec53qGbM8; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:16:35 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([50.138.229.164]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VqGb1j00F3ZTu2S3PqGblb; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:16:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4FF2FEC0.6070502@alum.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:16:32 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: salud@ietf.org References: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF32@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> In-Reply-To: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF32@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value concatenation X-BeenThere: salud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Sip ALerting for User Devices working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:16:27 -0000 On 7/3/12 9:04 AM, Brett Tate wrote: > Concerning draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns's durations, can they be combined to indicate a ring pattern? If so, how? > > For instance, would "urn:alert:duration:short:short:long" create a short:short:long ring pattern? Are you serious, or joking? In a word: NO. Thanks, Paul From brett@broadsoft.com Tue Jul 3 07:42:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C8121F85D8 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OBmje+kVUKgZ for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout01.partnerhosted.com (smtpedge02.chinookhosting.com [173.225.22.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A98221F8458 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CASUMHUB02.citservers.local (172.16.98.58) by FW02.citservers.local (172.16.98.4) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:45:51 -0700 Received: from EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local ([fe80::a488:d1ec:a706:3a6d]) by CASUMHUB02.citservers.local ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:45:51 -0700 From: Brett Tate To: Paul Kyzivat , "salud@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:42:51 -0700 Thread-Topic: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value concatenation Thread-Index: Ac1ZJubwwjHFQrU8SUC12LviixZZOwAAcEmw Message-ID: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF8B@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> References: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF32@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> <4FF2FEC0.6070502@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4FF2FEC0.6070502@alum.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value concatenation X-BeenThere: salud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Sip ALerting for User Devices working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:42:48 -0000 Hi Paul, Yes; I was serious. :)=20 Since the draft has "short" and "long", I was basically just checking to se= e if the draft addressed the short-short-long type stuff that Adam mentione= d in 2010. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dispatch/current/msg01740.html Thanks, Brett > -----Original Message----- > From: salud-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:salud-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Paul Kyzivat > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:17 AM > To: salud@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value > concatenation >=20 > On 7/3/12 9:04 AM, Brett Tate wrote: > > Concerning draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns's durations, can they be > combined to indicate a ring pattern? If so, how? > > > > For instance, would "urn:alert:duration:short:short:long" create a > short:short:long ring pattern? >=20 > Are you serious, or joking? >=20 > In a word: NO. >=20 > Thanks, > Paul >=20 > _______________________________________________ > salud mailing list > salud@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/salud From dworley@avaya.com Tue Jul 3 08:13:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: salud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ACD21F86D9 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id su4b-fht0SkG for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98D821F86D4 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAMkJ80/GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABFhVqvboEdgQeCGAEBAQEDEhERRRACAQgNCwICJgICAjAVCwUBAQQODQEZh2kLnSSKHpMwgSCKMYRuMmADmy2KC4J7gUM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,517,1336363200"; d="scan'208";a="16749855" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 03 Jul 2012 11:09:51 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO DC-US1HCEX4.global.avaya.com) ([135.11.52.35]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 03 Jul 2012 11:10:40 -0400 Received: from DC-US1MBEX4.global.avaya.com ([169.254.2.202]) by DC-US1HCEX4.global.avaya.com ([135.11.52.35]) with mapi; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:13:28 -0400 From: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" To: "brett@broadsoft.com" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:13:27 -0400 Thread-Topic: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value concatenation Thread-Index: Ac1ZLmXNVQuibAYnQDm7j/dbc46nQw== Message-ID: References: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF32@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> <4FF2FEC0.6070502@alum.mit.edu> <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF8B@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> In-Reply-To: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF8B@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" References: <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF32@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> <4FF2FEC0.6070502@alum.mit.edu> <7FF1E5E16911C54BB2D57D4C4A2ED35A0C2CEEBF8B@EXMBXCLUS01.citservers.local> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "salud@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [salud] draft-ietf-salud-alert-info-urns: duration value concatenation X-BeenThere: salud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Sip ALerting for User Devices working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:24:25 -0000 On 7/3/12 11:13 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: > On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 07:42 -0700, Brett Tate wrote: >> Since the draft has "short" and "long", I was basically just checking >> to see if the draft addressed the short-short-long type stuff that >> Adam mentioned in 2010. >> >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dispatch/current/msg01740.html > > Given how the URNs are constructed, there is no way that > would mean short-short-long; > instead it would be some specialization of "short". > > However, we could define to mean > short-short-long, or you could create a private URN > . > > More importantly, do we need to define standard URNs for the various > TIA/EIA-41-D and 3GPP2 A.S0014 tones? We have tried to make thse urns be semantic indicators rather than describing the renderings. (Though short/long somewhat violates that.) So I would prefer to define the semantic for which short-short-long is a common rendering, and let the UA decide whether to use that rendering or something else. 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